 Welcome to Toffy TV. I am joined by Andy. We're going to discuss centre-backs from Matt, essentially, cos Matt asked me to do it, so drop this what happens, Matt. You're a patron, you asked us to do a video. Here we go. Obviously we've got what, three and a half weeks is it? Eighth of August, yeah. Eighth, so you know what, it's three weeks on Thursday till the transfer window shuts in England, and Everton, still, without a centre-back, obviously, came to him and went back to Chelsea. He's gone on tour to Japan with Chelsea. A lot of people, even people who spoke to him at Bruncon station or did the station a bit disappointed wherever it was. Daddy's on the plane, so it's, you know, it is what it is really, isn't it, with Zuma. So far a deal hasn't been done. Reading between the lines and what you've been told by the journalists are that he's keen to come back to Everton, but Lampard wants to look at him, so therefore Chelsea haven't agreed a deal, so I suppose the player has to honour his contract, which is fine. Bu, where that leaves Everton with three weeks to go is having a player who they want, who it isn't straightforward to get, I suppose. Obviously Marcel Brand is doing his best to get people out the door. You know, we've seen stories over the weekend, Lincoln Mo Bezos would have moved, Anthony Robinson, there's been a bit accepted from Wigan for him, James McCarthy, link by the move, so a lot of people potentially going out the door, which would free up wages essentially so Everton can make these moves. As far as Kate Zuma is concerned, Marcel Brand said last summer that he'd rather wait a day later and get the right player than fight the wrong player a day earlier. So in your opinion, do you think Marcel Brand is prepared to wait till the very last day for the Zuma deal? I don't think he's prepared to wait till the last day because it depends really because you can set deals up pre the last day where you've got them sort of ready to go, but you're still waiting on Zoom. I don't think we'd wait that late though because I suppose you don't want to have to send some partners to start on the first, second game of the season because then you're going to have to start with me and Keane and I think people know my opinion that that's not a really good fit. You know, two big lads who both like to go meet the ball with the red. You'd need someone quicker next to one of them, which would be working better. So I think the way Brand's looks at it is he's probably going to give Zoom a time, but he's going to probably, Evan are going to somewhere or even behind the scenes with his agents or whoever. They're going to have to apply some pressure to get a decision quicker because they can't just wait till the end of the window and then Zoom says I'm going to stay at Chelsea because then we'll be left out of the centre back. So it comes to the point now where Evan are going to start checking with other agents who they could sign, who's the possibility. And I think we will wait. I don't think going away with Japan makes any change to what Evan are going to do at the moment. I think they're going to wait till he tells themself whether he's going to come on up. So that's what we're waiting for really because it's a waiting game in it. Do you think because we've had them on loan last season and he knows Marco Sildar's style, he knows the players. We played 29 games I think at the Premier League for Evan last season. He knows what's expected of him. So therefore Evan might look and go well even if we get him in the last week he's already knows the club. Okay he's done a pre-season with Chelsea but essentially knows what's expected of him here. Do you think that might be? That's an idea. That makes sense as well in the sense that he wouldn't have to, he's not come into a completely new setup. It's not like a new manager's come to Evan in the convenient time. So that makes sense. I think with Zuma it comes down to the point of Evan and probably won. Because he's played in the team and we are used to this we know that he's got a partnership with Michael Keane. It fits more. So as you said at the start, brands will probably wait long for that because it's not as much of a risk. And again he's not the year back from as an injury. He's only two years back from his cruciate. He'd be even better this season. That's why probably Chelsea are wanting to take him back this season in the sense because he probably will be fully fit from it. Yeah, I don't know. It's one of those. I can't see us waiting forever though because we can't in a sense. Because in the market basically you've seen those stungs 45 million, I think McGuire's 80 million. The price is getting out of control. I don't even think we'll have to pay that. 45 million for Zuma. I don't think it'll even go that high. You've got to step into the market before it goes out of control towards the end because either the price is going to go up or the price is going to go down. The pool of players left. It's not going to be good enough. If he doesn't come, and we hope he does obviously, and I think the manager hopes he does, if he doesn't come, we've got a couple of your alternates. Well we've been linked with two of them and I've added a third alternative. So first we'll go from left to right. So that's Diego Llorente. So Diego Llorente. He's one of those players who keeps, I don't know whether it's his agent who I haven't actually spoke to him. But he's one of those players who's cropped up consistently. A player you could probably play next to, I mean Rolikini. He's like a finesse type of defender. He's not like as fast or as agile or as athletic as Zuma. Very classy defender. Wins his tackles, good on the ball, passes through the lines. Someone who can put the ball on the striker's toe from like 34 or 40 yards. So that's that we are missing in a sense. And we are keen, Zuma, with decent passes last season. I don't think they're as good as your renter on the ball, but he is an option in that sense. But again, it's hard to read with defenders because obviously we want someone who's quick and fast, but then there's so many defenders, it's not easy to narrow it down with the right winger. Because there's quite a lot of centrebacks in Europe that you could sign. It's just trying to narrow it down. What mark of silver likes and what Mark Saarbrands wants as well. If he was to come in, your answer would you beat? That would be reason to be happy. I wonder whether he's played against physical strikers in the league. But it is a different league again. Spanish defenders will talk about six months to settle in a city. So you'd have to sort of bring him in. I suppose in a sense he might have to play straight away. But you'd have to give him time. You couldn't expect him to come in and set the world alight. That's part of the reason why maybe we're looking at the next slide he has played in it. He did grow up in England in a sense from Ant City. So that's a consideration I guess. That's why Zuma is top of the tree. Because he fits everything the brands wants in terms of age. He's played for 11 before obviously, but also he's got the premiership experience. We can make that impact instantly. Moving on to the next fella. So brands had him on loan at PSV from 2013-2015. He was a six foot one level defender. He could play strong in a tackle quick. I wouldn't mind him going to a silver because when his defender was right hand side because he's left footed he isn't the best. So he can be beaten on that. But I think silver is really good at positioning players. Brands knows them. That's probably part of it. I think it was on team talk or whatever one of the rumour sites was that Evan had sent a scout here to build his training. Which sounds a bit odd because I wouldn't scout someone off training. Martin Plattenard, he was a left back. I don't think it would be interesting. Oh, Plattenard. Davy Selcher, he was a striker. We were linked with Plattenard last summer. Yeah, he was then. We got much better player. He would be the most likely one we were looking at. And with the brands connection maybe just makes sense. But he'd be a good sign. I don't know, Zuma's a bit of a cut above I guess. He sort of hasn't compared it to in terms of trying to get that level. I think Zuma's a top six centre back. People might argue that he's not. But I think he is, especially now that he's fully cleared of his injury. I think he'd be sad if we didn't get him because we're going to have to sort of scramble to look elsewhere really because the quality, you know, I would like William Selib as I've said before. But it's tough bringing a centre off to Premiership, especially younger ones, because it's going to take some time to settle him. I mean Selib at Spayers. Spayers, Narslas. I think Spayers are pipping in. You'd have to say, even if Evan's signed, they won him back on loan, don't they fear? That's not a deal. It's suit Evan, for example. But he looks like a good player. Yeah, he's a very good player. This lad's, you know, he's got a good young French centre back. We were going to Garmara, plays from Arsenal. He's had a bad week getting beat back in the Rangers. But he's a bit of a different type. More of a, you know, he's six foot, but he's quick. You know, good pass to the ball, really carries the ball into midfield quite well as well. Someone to look, you know, another player to sort of look at. So it's just a sort of, it's hard as again, whereas if the Silver's done interviews about what type of wings he wants, what type of midfield he wants, number six he wants. I haven't really read much about what type of defence, what he likes and defenders. So it's quite hard, you know, at Wafford, they didn't have the greatest pair of centre backs. He sort of put up with the whole, he brought Renwick in here, we're not here from interviews, the statue, really. So it's hard to sort of gauge what he wants, when I'm looking at players, you know, I'm trying to find similar players to Zoomer, but they're not meeting up with what Marco Silver wants, because obviously he's got a particular type of player they likes. I mean, Zoomer, you're right, Zoomer. He does a lot of jobs, doesn't he? He's physically strong on his decent in the air. I suppose it is, trying to match up it is difficult. It is hard, especially with that experience, you know, there's not many players you could, you know, if you're trying to think of a player, you know, Tenence Congol, who went down with Huddersfield, you know, he's sort of quick defender, decent on the ball, but again, he's nowhere near Zoomer's level. I think why I haven't won Zoomer as well is they think they're probably getting a bit of a bargain in a sense because he has that level of potential that's not quite yet been realised. So he's 24 as well, which is a perfect age. He's got a lot of experience playing in Europe and what have you not. So, yeah, I hope we do get Zoomer, but it's one of those in a moment. Just with regards to Camare, you look at him, you know, you think Mason Holgate? Yeah, he's pretty similar size. He looks to me like he's similar frame to Mason. Yeah, so again, the physicality, the Premier League, certainly you'd have to get used to. He's not a right back, though, but I think people think that Holgate's right back. I don't think he is. It's just a different... When I think of centre-off partnerships, I always think of your Ramos and your Pepe. Ramos being quicker, he's only six foot, Pepe being bigger, so car value, Terry saying thing, Ferdinand Village. I think that, like, not big small because there are obviously some of them combinations that go to someone who's a quick stop, like Michael Keane or me, with someone who's quick and covers the quick and behind. And I think that's why Zoomer helped Keane last season if Michael Keane couldn't get back for the balls, Zoomer was there to clear the mess. And that's what we need. There's lots of defenders out there, just what Marcell Brands has got and Marcell Silver have got their eye on. Just one more, he's not up there, he's just combating me then because we were linked with him the other day, Adam, Samaret. Yeah, he's big physical unit. He's 27, I think, on the Cuban as well, I think he was as well. Yeah, he had an injury the season before, he'd be a decent sign. I think he's 27 now, I'm not too sure. But again, I know a sign of Fabian Dav, I don't imagine we'd be signing two players or three players because Lossal's 30, but three players over that age this year. He is a good defender though, physical, quick, agile, not bad on the ball as well. So, yeah, he would fit in. Is he similar, would you say he's similar to Zoomer? Like he's like a life-age on Zoomer, I guess, but very hard to find. It's that level of comfortability with the Premier League and it's hard to find on Zoomer. Whereas we've had luck, we've bought centre-backs in the past. That's why I think Moise tends to buy centre-backs from the championship because the options that are centre-back from the championship now as we've gone to Astonville, he's probably a bit young at the moment anyway to start for Everton. At the point we are now, we're trying to get from top eight to top six and that quality of players, a different type of quality than probably the championship can provide. So that's a bit to pick up those gaps and that's why I think Zoomer, or someone like when we're trying to pick up another player like Adele, for example, when players can hit the ground, run and provide the cover if we do need to bring in younger players in those positions as well. So it's still Zoomer for you after that? Well, yeah, I'm a big fan of Zoomer and I think he makes the other two. Me, he's still obviously settling into the Premier League and I think he makes Michael Keane play while last season of course, but I think he helps Michael Keane immensely because all would Zoomer there to cover him. Same thing as well, Zoomer actually was better in the air surprisingly towards the end of the season of Michael Keane. I don't know how that went because I always thought Keane wins every header he goes in for, but that does surprise me because most of the season he was Keane if not the best I think in the Premier League. It was in the season's percentage just when that poor Everton, but they also include off corners as well of course in data or whatever. Hopefully we'll get Zoomer. As far as the last I had, and he has to say to Chelsea, I'd like to leave, he's got Euros next year, he's got Christensen, Louise, Tomore, and Rudiger. As well a Quetta. Yes, so there's five, maybe Chaballar as well if he stays there, so there's five or six who can play there. Is he going to get 30 games in the season? Maybe, maybe not, depends. Obviously, they're in the Champions League, so that helps, but... To on it, listen, as far as I'm away and I've said to a few people when we've had the theatre bar, if it wasn't still an option, Everton would have moved on. And we haven't, so... I think we ought to stay in it because you're given encouragement to stay in it. I think it makes that... I always look at it logically as well with the fan hat on, and you think about it. For him, he's almost not guaranteed, because obviously the enemy is going to try and push for starting spot, but he's almost guaranteed the placing team, he's got back in the France squad a while or whatever, and it fits for him. It makes sense for him, he knows Marco Silva, and he seems to enjoy his time at Everton. And so, Brans, Silva, he's the top priority, I guess, apart from Simon Gomez as well. Well, at Everton, Welsh case scenario was just there. Chelsea Welsh case scenario was just there. Could be 4, 5, 4, 5, 6, whatever. It depends on what lamp are once, and I can't imagine a lamp are being able to say with a straight face, you're going to be my first tree centre now, because David Louise is very important, Chelsea's been there for so long, older player in the dressing room, and I think that's a great example of Christmas as well. Interesting, interesting. Let us know what you think in the comments section below. Is it simply Zuma and nobody else for you? Or is it, you know, why are you thinking that you're one of these fans now that are thinking this is dragged on a little bit now and we need to make a decision on how long do we wait for Zuma? Is it a case of waiting right up until five o'clock on the eighth? Or do you want it done as soon as it can be the case, like Andy said? Do we then have to move on and make a tough decision not to get Zuma? Let us know what you think in the comments section below. Make sure you subscribe, it takes a second if you want more videos join us over on Patreon. 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