 We'll take it over to Justin Gibson for his opening statement, the floor is all yours. Alright everyone, so we're talking about queer theory today. I want to do a little litmus test for the audience. I want to say a word and it's going to split the room one way or another. So my word is sys heteronormative. Now sys heteronormative, fun word, great word, used a lot in queer theory. All it means is that right now and for most of human history in most cultures, but of course some exceptions, that sys gender, which is the opposite of transgender, and heterosexual, which is the opposite of homosexual, have been the norm in society for a long time. Now a lot of people take that to mean that, well that means it's natural. That means it's the only, that means it is the correct and normal way for human beings to be, and that's just not the case because for it to be as normative as it is, we've had to have enormous suppression of any sort of variance from gender or sexual norms. We've had to suppress identities. And we know that because the second that someone gets just a little bit of leeway to explore themselves in gender or sexual terms, they immediately pounce on it. It's like you have to suppress it in order for queer people not to be a thing. That's why I think it's really weird how a lot of the conversation today, we've had like the gay panic rise up again, we're indoctrinating your kids by letting people be gay. Like we just let them do it. Like for example, there's a new Disney movie coming out, did you know that? They have not promoted it at all in which there's a gay couple in a Disney movie. That's indoctrination apparently. I don't know what the end goal is. I don't know what we're indoctrinating people to do by showing gay people existing. I don't know what the next step is in our grandmaster plan because if there's one thing queer people today know is that movies can't turn you gay because they didn't turn us straight. Do you know how many movies, Disney and otherwise, I watched as a kid growing up hundreds, thousands of movies only having straight people and somehow still ended up being gay. I don't think that that's going to work. We're not going to turn any kids gay. The only thing we're going to do is to make kids that are gay maybe not feel quite as hidden and demonized and ostracized from society and even more importantly it's going to show that to straight kids and everyone else that we're actually just kind of boring. I wish we were more exciting than we are. So yeah, the gay agenda is to I guess let us be gay and let us be trans so the queer indoctrination has begun. Because you know what indoctrination actually looks like? Indoctrination tricks you and makes you be something that you're not. It tries to really really really force and railroad you to a very narrow set of beliefs. If queer people actually wanted to indoctrinate our kids we'd make it illegal to be straight. No straight couples in any shows. We'd make it illegal to be cisgender. We wouldn't let that happen at all. And while that does sound familiar going the opposite direction I don't think it's an accurate representation of what's going on in our society today. So big thing about queer theory says, the most controversial thing it says is that it kind of rejects this deeply dichotomized view of both sex, sexuality and gender. So if I say the words, I was born in the wrong body. What does that make you think of today? Probably trans people because that's the most common like, you know, normalized argument. That's the most common like normie argument to fucking use an internet term. But that has been used for a long time. In fact back in the 1800s born in the wrong body was actually used to describe what would now be considered gay people because it's so deeply dichotomized that the only way that you can be attracted to men is if you had a female spirit inside you. That argument is really really old and it's just not reflective of reality. It's not reflective of the enormous complexity that is the human experience both in terms of gender and sexuality and a million different other variables that we can consider. So I'm concerned about where this conversation, the national conversation, is going because it seems like otherwise good people are demonizing queer people and especially queer kids and especially, especially trans kids not out of any genuine concern for their safety but out of a deep seated one, a deep seated visceral disgust in any deviation from traditional like sexual norms as well as deep in curiosity. They don't want to know anything else. They don't want to be involved. They don't want to be informed. They don't want to be pulled out of this very narrow view of the human experience that they're accustomed to. We don't want to take anything away from anyone else. We don't want to turn straight kids gay or cis kids trans because one, we know that doesn't work. It didn't work on us in the other direction. We just want people to live free and happy lives and I have never seen a convincing argument as to why that's going to harm society. It's going to make happier people more productive and a greater variation of human experiences that are just going to make our lives a little bit more richer. Thank you very much. Well, thank you. My name is Prime Time 99. I was a very passionate debate introduction, Jengles. I just want to congratulate you on that. And, you know, on my research of queer theory, out of all the theories, I noticed it's definitely the gayest of them all. And the reason it being so gay is it's about gay acceptance and I would argue that right now it's more acceptable to be gay, trans, lesbian, LGBTQI than it ever has been in society. So that would be my first debunk is that right now I think it's more socially acceptable to be your true self than it ever has been in history. So I think in your argument, or at least trending in the right direction, but this is the problem when it comes down to queer theory where you talk about the right wing conservatives that might have a problem with it because really and truly, when I come in and talk about these subjects like male swimmers, biological men competing against women and sports, I'm passionate against that. I don't think that's okay for a biological man because I think they have a physical advantage. But when it comes to queer theory or being gay transphobia or homophobia, I'm not homophobic. I'm not anti-gay. I think gay people, I think marginalized people, I think people that are treated differently by society should be treated normal. I truly believe that. But at the same time I do think that there is an indoctrination of youth that's currently happening in society that's not just because of social progressivism. I think that it's a little more sinister than that because when you look at the amount of children this day and age that are considered trans or reassignment therapy or gender reassignment hormones in the state of California compared to the state of Ohio, it's like 10,000% more. So you're like, what is that? For me, those are parents that are encouraging their kids to be trans or to have an alternative lifestyle or at least they're encouraging that lifestyle more. And I think we have a situation now and I know we're talking about queer theory but you talked about cis-hetronormative. That's what I would be cis-hetronormative because I bang hot chicks on the reg. Is that funny? Hot chicks. Hotter than destiny. Okay, what I'm saying is I don't necessarily think in the argument that gay people are, excuse me, that queer theory is necessarily bad or if it's even a real thing. I mean, I think that we're over-sexualizing children by exposing them to pornography, by exposing them to adult themes at too young of an age because of the internet. So now, I think it's just like our children are being indoctrinated, whether it's queer theory, straight theory, trans theory. There's too many theories that I think kids are being indoctrinated by. So I guess to your point, do I think that gay people or gay history should be taught in school? When I think of critical race theory, I'm trying to compare it to queer theory and I believe one of the parts of critical race theory is that we should be based in white guilt. So I guess I'm more curious because I'm not, I'm very familiar with queer theory, but I'm not familiar if it's based in heteronormative guilt, like if it's guilty, then I'm straight. But I don't think that's the case. My point being is in the Bible, it's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Okay, that wasn't very funny. My point is gender theory, gay theory, it's cool to be gay. I think in this day and age now it's socially acceptable to be gay more now than it ever has been. So the idea that queer theory is good, no, I don't think it's good. I don't really think sexual education at two young of an age is good, but people like you that probably think that we need more social acceptance of children's sexuality, you'd probably argue that. I think that's one of the most disgusting things and I think it was like Rhonda Santis's Don't Say Gay Bill, I know a lot of people freaked out, Don't Say Gay Bill. You weren't supposed to talk about sex at all and I think that's the approach that we should have when it comes to education is not talking about it until they're at least 16 or 17, going through puberty for me. I just think that's the proper way or let a parent handle it. But with education today, teachers feel like that they have more control over a child's education than the parents because there's instances of teachers that actually have closets where they'll let their students change in the closet and send their parents back. If the child identifies as the opposite sex and the parents aren't involved in it. So I think one of the major problems that we have today is our education system and you talked about the indoctrination of children, it's obvious. Now we consider and you can argue and say, oh well there's not an indoctrination of children going on, but I would say with the media with the amount of educators, not just administrators but coaches and then you talk about family members, not necessarily the parents, but talking about aunts, uncles that are encouraging kids to be transgender or to be gay is happening at an alarming rate that's never happened in history. If you look at the amount of kids that are considered trans or that have ever actually transitioned or are on gender hormone therapy compared to the 90s, compared to the 80s, compared to the 70s, it's up like thousands and thousands and thousands of percentages. So that's not because of just you know, natural social progressiveness. That's people encouraging it. So I think it's a little sinister and I think it's okay to be gay. It's cool to be gay. I'm gay sometimes. I'm gay for pay. And that's how I've always had been. And I'm not against gay people. I think that you said it's unnatural to be gay. I mean I look at it like this, like my cat humps the other boy cat. You know they're not trying to have a baby and I don't think he's gay. So I mean you could argue that maybe sometimes the guys hump each other naturally but you know unless we're talking about like Madison Cawthorne or something, you know Madison Cawthorne got in trouble humping another guy. I don't know if you know that. Was he not good at it? No, he was a congressman. He got... I'm just saying guys and guys aren't supposed to necessarily hump. I mean that's not how our bodies are functioning. I just think naturally, I know a lot of people are going to be in here and they're going to say, oh well we evolved from pond scum, you know, a lightning struck primordial soon and we just evolved from pond scum. No, I just think naturally, ergonomically, the penis is supposed to go in the vagina and I know like you want to say, oh that's unnatural, but no, there's nothing more natural than you know the sweet sensation of going balls deep into a hot babe and I know that because I do that all the time. So is having gay... I mean is having gay sex okay? Yeah, I mean it's okay to have gay sex. It doesn't need to be taught in school like it's US history. I don't necessarily think so. So with that, that's my opening statement. Alright, so there's a lot of stuff there just so you know we don't mash our dicks together when we have sex. So you're right, that really doesn't work but you know there's some other ways to do it. What is the other way? Well it's literally the other way. It's literally the other way and that's how we do it. And it is natural because otherwise what would it be? Supernatural? Like cybernetic? I don't know. Maybe someday it'll be cybernetic but... I don't know if anal sex is necessarily natural. It's what part of that is like ethereal or beyond the natural world? You need lube to do it. You do? You know what? So that's not very natural. I just have the lubrication factory right there. You're right. So that's not natural. Well this is not a symposium on gay sex. See, chicks have natural lube so you can just get them wet and then bam you go like that. If you're gay for pay I will tell you how to... I'll give you some tips after the debate is over. I don't like gay for pay. There's some other stuff I wanted to talk about. It's not something I'm proud about. Okay. There's some stuff you said. You said that we're encouraging people to be gay and trans. What do you mean? Like we're saying we're out of a blue. A kid is just doing absolutely nothing. We're saying hey, hey, hey, hey. You know what you should do? You should be gay. You should be trans. You think that's happening at a rate that is 100th as what is going on in the other direction? You're trying to paint a picture like there's teachers twisting kids arms like suck a dick. No, I don't think that... So what does encourage mean to you? It means at a young age when you walk into an elementary school you'll see a trans flag. Well, why is a trans flag in there? Why are we even talking about transgender issues? Why is there a pride flag in elementary school when really and truly I'm not anti-pride but the only difference between a gay person and a straight person is who they like to have sex with. Is that correct? That mostly, yeah. Okay. So why are we doing a flag that is... Because celebrating who people have sex with. Well, because a lot of people don't. I want to put a flag that celebrates no sex. Because listen, I'm pro-sex. I'm up here talking about how I like to bang, da-da-da-da. I'm not some moral Christian like, no sex allowed for over-sexualizing children by putting gay flags in elementary schools that make no sense. I have nothing to do with elementary schools. All right. Well, maybe I can elucidate you with some experience. So you bang a lot of hot chicks and that's great. That's how you live your life. So I'm married to my husband and have been with the same man for 10 years. There's a lot more to relationships than just sex. So if you were married you might know that, yeah, it's a lifelong bond. It's you're sharing things with your partner and you can talk about gay issues. You can talk about gay pride without talking about the ins and outs of gay sex pun intended. So when we say we're sexualizing kids, is Cinderella, is that sexualizing kids because it depicts a heterosexual romance? Is that sexualizing kids? In a way, it probably sexualizes them to think that heteronormative relationships are the same. That's what I asked. That's what I asked. Is it sexualizing kids? We're showing two people kiss in a children's movie. Is that sexualizing them? Well, no, because I got a wedding people kiss, but there is like secret subversive... Wedding is like romantic. We're talking about romantic relationships in a wedding as well. So are we sexualizing kids with Cinderella? That's a very easy answer. Are we sexualizing kids with them? I mean, it's so broad. Are we technically... It is broad and the answer is no. No, we're not sexualizing kids by showing Cinderella kiss whoever it was. This is the thing, because there's hardcore pornography and soft-core pornography. So I guess we're soft-core sexualizing them or hardcore sexualizing them. Cinderella soft-core pornography? No, I'm saying there's different types of sexualization. So just to show two people kiss, the mom and dad are like, oh, what does that mean? Like as a young kid, you might be inquisitive to know what is the next step from kissing. Exactly. That is a form of sex. Yeah, you can say like, hey, me and mommy love each other. So I would argue that it's a little bit of sexualization. Yeah, because it's showing you normal relationships like the whatever, the king and queen, princess and prince. So it is sexualizing kids to show them Cinderella. A little bit, yeah. Okay, but I think most people would say that showing a child Cinderella is okay. It's not going to scar them for life. Yes, I think that would be okay. Okay, so all right. So is it then fair to say that, okay, the new Disney movie coming out, if we see two men kiss? That's also, if it is sexualizing them, it's sexualizing them in that Cinderella way. Well, then why in China would that same movie, would they not be able to show that? Because they're homophobic. Okay, but why are they homophobic? Why are they, okay, I'm just asking, what do you think is their motivation for not showing children gay sex scenes? Because they're disgusted by gay people. They're homophobic. What answer do you want? Is that what we should do? We should follow China's example? No, no, no, I'm just wondering, what's their motivation? So why don't they want to show kids sex scenes? They don't want people to be gay. They're homophobic. So by showing them gay stuff with more kids. Showing them two, I guess it's teenagers, two boys kissing in a movie. It doesn't normalize. I mean, that's part of the good thing. It does normalize gay relationships. It shows that they're gay. Yeah, and that's good. It doesn't encourage kids to be gay. And I'm not even trying to be anti-gay, but I understand there's people that I went to high school with that were young that were naturally gay. Yeah, I know, but you understand how it's weird to say that two men kissing in a movie is sexual. Two men in a movie kissing is sexual. That's just more normal because you can see it. I think most people would say that Cinderella was not a sexual movie. It's not like exploiting kids' sexuality. I think most people would say that. I know, but we're arguing the nuance of the nuance right now. I mean, I just think that you could argue in a Disney movie by showing just a man and a woman falling in love at the end of the movie is, in a way, sexual. I didn't know what love was in Disney movies. Okay, so is it like a healthy level of sexuality when you show the kids that? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think there is. Yeah, I think there is. Normal, not actual intercourse, but I mean, in fact, that mom and dad, you know, love each other. So we're agreeing that there are levels of sexuality, if you're going to define it that way, where it is acceptable to show the kids. And so something like the Don't Say Gay Bill, which would like bar any sort of discussion of, it would bar the two men kissing. It would bar two a straight woman in male kissing, too. Well, I think, here's a question I want to ask. So they learned to read before third grade, right? I didn't. Things haven't, you didn't? I barely did either. But I'm pretty sure we still teach reading in schools up to third grade, right? They want to learn their letters and stuff. And sometimes what they'll do is they'll show stories, reading passages. And here's the thing. Do you think that Ron DeSantis and his organization, his administration, he think they would view the phrase John and his wife went on vacation? Do you think they would view that sexually? Even though it is technically introducing sexual orientation? The spatial cleanser feels good. Yeah, I mean, in a way, but I guess you'd be describing normal gender roles. Yeah. And then definitely they would say John and his husband went on vacation. The exact same sentence, the exact phrase, the exact same way. They do say that, because now they say birthing persons. Oh, no, no, no, no, don't walk away from that. Don't walk away from that. Yeah, don't walk, don't pivot. Don't pivot. Go ahead. I'm just saying, you're saying that we don't choose gay language, you don't use gay inclusive language? I'm saying, John and his husband, why is that more sexual than John and his wife for a kid to read? Because it's gay. Exactly. My point, he illustrated it beautifully. Gay things are sexual because they're gay. That's circular reasoning. I thought you all hated circular definitions. Why do I? I don't like circular definitions. You have to do better than that. Sex is sex, all right? Yeah, but gay sex and heterosexual sex or heteronormative sex, as you would call it, are different. They are different. I like one and not the other. There's a baby in one can. So they're totally different. Do you think most heterosexual sex produces a baby? Well, I would almost argue, you don't have to argue. How many babies do you have? You were having sex with all these hot women. How many babies do you have? I almost argue that even having anal sex is basically just mutual masturbation. And the only true form of sex is vaginal sex. You could argue that if you're wrong. No, you could. I'm just saying, you're trying to say that gay sex is the same as one sex and produces a baby and one doesn't. So I would say they're different. I want to ask, how many babies do you have? None. None? But you have sex with all these hot ladies. But I can produce babies. But you haven't yet. And so most heterosexual... You can't. No two guys are going to fucking... You know what? I want to actually concede that point no matter how hard we try. We have not made a baby yet. But you're kind of admitting that the purpose of sex in 99.999 percent of heterosexual sex doesn't produce a baby because there's way more to sex than babies. I'm saying I have control if I want to ejaculate and possibly have a baby. So why don't you? Two guys, because I don't want to have a baby yet. Two guys... If that's the purpose of heterosexual sex, why don't you do it? We want a trillion years to be having anal sex and ever have a baby. So those two forms of sex, you want to try to say it's the same. I'm sorry, they're completely different. They are different and that we can't have a baby. I've admitted that. You've pulled it out here that we can't have a baby. So you're trying to make gay sex the same as... It's not the same. It's not the same. In our case, it is the same because you're not having sex to have a baby. Did you know you can clean your butt? Did you know you can clean your butt? Did you know you can wash your ass? I actually have to tell a lot of straight guys, you can wash your ass. I understand that you can wash your ass, but you're sticking your genitals into a hole that is made for defecating. When I have sex with a woman, I'm sticking my penis in a hole that is meant for producing a child. It's not the same. Yeah, but you don't produce children. One you have to go... If I wanted to, I could. One you have to go to a store and buy an oil-based water-based, whatever-based lubricant. Water-based. The other one, you can just kiss and it's naturally lubricated and you can have sex, so they are not the same. I know we're trying to make it the same. It's not, and I just think that that is... So the world of difference in your drawing is a $10 bottle of lubricants. Well, I'm saying gay sex is different than heteronormative sex. I agree. The whole debate is not here to just talk about the differences in gay sex and heteronormative sex, but you're trying to make it seem like it's the same thing and that's why to a person it might be a little unusual or less normal, quote-unquote. That's less normal. So I'm just saying... It's less common. That's why it has that stigma. It doesn't necessarily think that it's bad. It's not even necessarily that it's weird. It's in bigotry where people are like, oh, I'm anti-gay. It's just kind of funny because it's different. That's the only reason why. It's not that it's bad. It's not that it's it's not even that it's evil. It's just, oh, that's not unusual. So it's a little different. It's just, it's a little different. Can you admit to me that the vast majority of heterosexual sex and 100% of the heterosexual sex that you claim to have is for the same reason I do? To not? To not. I mean, I don't know why we're arguing about the motivations of sex. No, no, no. Answer that. Can you agree that the reason you have sex and the reason I have sex is the same? No, no. No, no. No, no. Because I have money. But it's to feel good, right? Gay people and straight people can both feel good from sex. I get that. And it's not just to feel good. It's also to like develop a partnership, develop a deeper bond. But they're totally different. They're totally, but if they're 99% similar in the reasons that we're having sex, I don't know about that. Why are they that different? I don't think they're 99% similar. Well, yeah, because I'm married and you're not. That's a big difference between us specifically. You're talking about the, I guess, the social constructs of the sex you're having. I'm talking about the actual physical sex is not the normal way to have sex, and women have anal sex. It's not normal than the vaginal sex. Why is it not normal? Because it's just, it's different. It's messier. It's not normal because it's different. It is not, and you can't have a baby. Yeah, it's different. So that's why something that would be considered different would be, you could argue it's not normal. Do you think sex where you don't have a baby is desirable? Is that why you do it? We're trying to argue right now what we're doing is we're circumcising an ant. It's not about the two forms of sex. It's about You made it about the two forms of sex. It's a very different argument. My argument is that the reason that we have sex, the reason why it's awesome, the reason why these relationships can't be normalized is because they are 99% the same in their practicality. They're not 99% the same because you in a million years could have anal sex every minute of every second. I'm aware of this fact. And you never get a girl pregnant. I'm aware of this. So they're not the same. I'm aware of this fact. So you know what we can do? But you know what we can do? 99% the same when one has an outcome of human life and the other one has the outcome of literal poop on your penis. You cannot say they're the same thing. But you're not going to wash a baby off your penis. That's true. So they're not. They're just so different. You're trying to say and it's almost rude and I'm not trying to say this to be mean to gay people. It's almost rude to a woman to say that anal sex is the same as gay anal sex is the same as vaginal sex with a woman because it's not. Who's saying that? You wouldn't be. Wait, who are you arguing with? Why do you keep bringing that up? Who are you arguing with? Because you're saying they're 99% the same. And the reason we have sex they're not the same at all. The reason we have sex is 99% the same. I wouldn't argue that. I wouldn't agree with that. If people have sex for a few reasons. Why do you have sex? If people have a carnal instinct to want to have pleasure but that's not the only reason people have sex. The reason why... What's the reason you have sex? The reason we're all here is because our parents had heteronormative sex. What's the reason you have sex? Had heteronormative sex. What's the reason you have sex? Without that heteronormative sex it doesn't matter how gay we are or how pro-gay we are. Without that heteronormative sex none of us would be here. I'm sure you just blew everyone's minds. They had no idea about that. Why do you have sex? Why do you have sex with lots of hot chicks? Listen, we're not here to debate why I have sex. I have sex for different reasons. What is it? I'm just trying to talk about the heteronormative sex with gay sex not being the same. That's the thing that we're arguing right now. You're trying to say that being in a gay sexual relationship is 99% the same as being in a heteronormative sexual relationship. That's not the case. You know they're different. One produces a kid and one doesn't. I'm not even saying that you're a bad person because you have gay sex. I'm just saying one is the essence of life and the other is the essence of pooch. I want to get away from we've talked about gay sex a lot more than I'd planned on which is a little bit interesting. But let's talk about something else. You say that schools are going behind parents' backs so there's something unique about queer identities. Most minority identities most identities who are traditionally marginalized in society are born into communities and families of that identity. So black people are born typically into black families and black communities. Of course there are exceptions. Whatever minority group you can think of. Queer people are not. You're right. My parents were straight. You're right and you're also right that in 99... None of our parents would be here if they didn't have straight sex. I know. Thank you for blowing my mind with this new information. You're right but that also means that sense of you know why the mental health problems in the queer community not just trans people or queer community overall is a lot higher is because we are born into families that aren't necessarily equipped to accept us. We're born into families that aren't necessarily familiar with or in large... in large cases disagree vehemently. Both my parents were Christians but vehemently disagreed. So we were talking about when you're talking about people who are encouraging when you're talking about like parents and people encouraging people to be gay that's not the case. It happens the other direction by a factor of a hundred times. Yeah. The administrators. Yeah. Here's the thing. If you're born if you are gay or if you are trans there's a good chance that you're like 99.9% probability that your parents are straight and cis. Of course there again of course there are exceptions but that means they might not understand and that might mean that they might fucking hate you. Do you think that if you are a cis, heteronormative devout Christian couple that you get to choose whether your kid is gay? No. But for the same reason No. They're going to have a lot harder time growing up. They're going to lose that sense of belongingness. They're going to gain this sense of of marginalization of ostracization that they wouldn't have otherwise and they need a support system. I'm very empathetic to any child whose parents do not support their sexuality but there's also a slew of abusive parents. There's parents that abuser kids are not being good enough at sports. There's parents that abuser kids are being overweight. There's parents that abuser kids are being bad students in schools. So you're down playing one of them encouraging their kids to be gay and trans? No. I'm just saying I believe that there's going to be parents that are going to abuse children no matter what. So you're saying that oh people are getting abused because of their sexuality. Now that exists but I don't think we can stop parental abuse is my point being. So yeah. Definitely shouldn't like make take any of it. No. Let's for example a school environment that's something. You start out by saying that there's parents that are indoctrinating them. You're saying that there's some motivation or sometimes like an example if a kid's dad is a big Dallas Cowboys fan. So sometimes they'll be a fan of the opposite team. So if a parent is really strict on you sometimes they'll do the opposite. So they're going to be like opposite. So what does that look like? So I'm taking a fan of the Cowboys. You're trying to make them into the exact science where like oh there's Christian parents. You're claiming that this is happening a lot. So what does that look like? It looks like there's a thing called Libs of Tiktok. Yeah I've seen it. And you'll see all the teachers complaining about how their students didn't use their right pronouns. You have them talking about how they got administrative leave because they talked about their gay cruises. There's all I mean there's thousands. So how does this encourage kids to be trans? Because now you're claiming that happens all the time because these teachers are indoctrinating kids by telling them. How? What does that look like? It looks like when you're a young kid and your mind is most fragile and you look up to these teachers and they are normalizing gay sex they are normalizing unusual things. A kid can be oh this sounds cool. They can be influenced by that. Do you think children get influenced by stuff? Yes children get influenced by things. You notice that the majority of commercials are directed towards children because they are so influential to children. Why is that? Because they don't have the wherewithal to make the proper decision. Alex. Because they are easily able to get confused. Alex. So when teachers are doing this to children the same children that the government regulates the type of commercials that we give them. We can't even give them certain commercials that sell certain toys because they're going to go oh this is going to cause a problem with the parents and kids are going to have a camera or anybody filming it and you and I will never know about it. Alex. So for you to say that these are not being inducted by teachers. I'm just saying this is the last thing I want to say. If you're saying that there's not children being inducted by teachers. Go to Libs of Tiktok. There's a slew. There's a new teacher a new school somewhere else and so here's the difference between advertising products to children and what you're describing. When you advertise a product to a child you want them to buy it and own it and you want to give them something. When you're advertising homosexuality you're not encouraging kids to be gay. You're not saying oh no can you do that? You think you can trick someone into being gay? Oh yeah. Really? Is that why anybody has ever been tricked into being gay? So why does it work in the opposite direction? Why can't we trick gay kids into being straight? There are people that have been tricked into being straight. No they didn't suppress. There's gay people that have been tricked into having sex with women too so it's happening both ways. Tricked into having sex but not into being straight. Why don't you think you can be tricked into being gay? If you have gay sex one time are you gay? I would argue probably not. Are we indoctrinating our kids into being patriotic Americans with the American flag? Is that indoctrination too? Well there are kids that are sexually abused in a homosexual abuse and they are not gay so yeah there is instances of gay. Why are you bringing up actual child sexual abuse when I'm trying to tell you? I'm trying to ask you what does the indoctrination look like? Saying that it's okay to be gay? Saying that being trans is a thing? That's indoctrinating? No. No it's not. The indoctrination is way stronger than that. So give me the examples I've been asking for so long. How do we indoctrinate kids to change their sexuality or to change their gender identity? Like flip flop it. How do we do that? It's the one on one personal attention that a teacher gives. Now I don't believe a teacher just goes oh here's some gay fairy dust and all the students become gay but a lot of times they can make one student gay. They can make two students gay. How do they normalize it? When you say make them gay it's one teacher. It's that they don't know because naturally they don't even know what they're attracted to yet. They're doing it at such an age where they're not having their natural attraction. They're not having their natural. What's natural? Like when I watched Back to the Future or excuse me when I watched not Back to the Future when I watched Teen Wolf and I still remember my first erection and the girl walks in with a bra and I had my first boner and that was a woman with a bra. Were you tricked into being straight by that? No, not when their teachers are like oh, me and my boyfriend we were on a gay cruise and we had so much gay sex. Why is that going to indoctrinate that kid but seeing two straight people kiss not indoctrinate them and being straight? Wait, let's say that again saying two gay people kiss. So on one hand this is the indoctrination a gay people a gay person talks about going on a cruise and that's indoctrinated I'm not cool. You gotta let me you gotta let me finish. You gotta let me finish. So we have a teacher talking about he went on a gay cruise and that's indoctrinating kids into being gay because it's cool and I guess like you can just trick yourself into being sexually attracted to something like at will but a lifetime of talking about how awesome it is that straight people have families and seeing straight people kiss and seeing straight people talk about how much they love their partners that doesn't indoctrinate them because it's what normal that probably doesn't indoctrinate them. It doesn't indoctrinate them. It hasn't indoctrinate. I mean you could say calm like moment like brainwashing heat just just like social norms but this is the thing is being brainwashing social norms. Yeah, yeah, you know repetitive stuff you can actually get brain wash by just hearing something over and over again I mean just look at the pandemic I mean safe and effective even though almonds aren't safe and effective for seven billion people peanuts aren't safe and effective for seven billion people over and over and over. You can get hypnotized into thinking that's true and that's what's happening with the indoctrination. No, no, no. Wait, no, so the real indoctrination was everything leading up to now? What I'm saying, when we couldn't be trans. That was the real indoctrination. That was the real brainwashing. No, no, no. No, because that's dumb. It's not an indoctrination. Talking about sexual subjects before children even have sex and you have to realize that oftentimes children want attention from their teachers. They may not be getting it at home. They may not be getting it where they want it. So they'll do stuff to act out as a student that acted out a lot. I did a lot of crazy things. In this day and age, now there's kids acting out saying I'm trans, saying I'm gay, just to get positive attention or positive feedback from their administrators and teachers. Now you say, oh, that doesn't exist. False. It exists at a higher rate now than ever has in history. So there is an indoctrination of our youth that is going on and they're normalizing gay sex at an age when it's inappropriate. Wait, wait, hold on. You say we're normalizing gay sex at an age where it's inappropriate. What are you talking about? You think we're showing hardcore like dick-sucking porn to children? Well, the kids have access to it. They have access to the internet. And yeah, that can be a problem for development. But that's not specific to gay people, right? There's gay sex on the internet. Yeah, well, would you think it's healthy for a nine-year-old to watch two straight people just going hardcore at it? No, I don't think you should watch any video. Cool, so the gay part isn't the problem. Being based in reality and internet age. It's the exposure though. Yeah, like that's a problem. Guys, we've never lived in a time now of the internet age like we do. We cannot compare it to any moment in history where any kid can get on their parents' iPhone and type in boobs and get the most hardcore pornography they've ever seen in life. So yes, we are over-sexualizing children. That is part of the huge overwhelming problem is the access to sexual themes, hardcore pornography. So when you add that and then you add the indoctrination of teachers that are more gay, that are more open, and that are more able to be free, which I actually accept. I think people should be able to be, you know- If you actually accepted that, you wouldn't be comparing me talking about my husband to a kid watching fucking hardcore pornography. No, what I'm saying- These two are not comparable. You just compared them. No, they are. They're part of a big system. So hardcore pornography is seeing like just Dick Slayman action at 10. That's the same thing as going, I have a husband? Hold on, I want you to say that those things are different or the same. I would say that the majority of- Are they different or the same? Out of this day and age can see- Are they different or the same? Are you trying to say is hardcore pornography the same as you and your husband? No, they're me saying that I have a husband to a child. Yeah, I would say that they're not the same. They're not the same. So don't compare them. Like you just did. You're not looking at my point. You're trying to argue, you know, semantics. What I'm saying is- Semantics, though. Okay. Overall our children are being sexualized at a rate that is alarming. Whether it be from their teachers, whether it be from their parents, it is from the pornography that they have access to. Now when you add the teachers or the indoctrination of the youth, it makes it much easier because back in the day we had a magazine, a Playboy magazine that we shared that we had the pages were stuck together. Those are the good old days. I didn't have massive amounts, gigs of unlimited pornography at instant one gig speed. I had 56K modem to see one picture of a woman's tits. It would take 10 minutes to download. Now literally kids can have hardcore sex at the snap of fingers through their schools. They can download a VPN and they can be looking at pornography on their school computers. That was not a reality when I was in school. So when you add that, you add the sexualization of our youth, you look at the numbers, the amount of trans people or gay children that identify as gay in 2022 compared to 2010, 2000, 1990, 1980, 1970, it has gone up at such an exponential rate that I don't believe it to be organic. I believe that to be inorganic. So there are factors that encourage people to be gay. Now whether- Do you remember my opening statement? Do you remember my opening statement where I said that for the vast majority of human history, we had to suppress those identities. It was not allowed to be gay. It was not allowed to be trans. Is that organic? Is it organic to decide that? No, the very, very, very narrow explanations of gender and sex. That's natural for massive suppression, for lobotomies for trans and gay people, for prison, for death sentences, which we still have in a lot of the world. That was natural, but now this like, this very, very light. Oh, it is okay to be gay? That's all that we're doing. That was just saying that it's okay and that's indoctrination. It's indoctrination to the point where he just went off on this long soliloquy about access to pornography, which could be a problem, but that's- It could be- That's what's known as a- It needs to be a problem. Could be a problem. Yeah, and that's what's known as a different topic. It is a problem. You tried to compare the vast access to pornography with some teachers letting their kids know what being trans is. Or being gay is. If you think that those are in the same ballpark, if you think that those are in the same city, you're delusional, buddy. That's why he holds them in the stairs and castles. I think the teacher's like, all right, today, this is what a trans person is. This is, no, it's not what it is. They're not- What is that? I've been asking for a long time. It's every day- What is it? And you're hearing about it over and over. Were there interpersonal connection with their teacher? And what does it look like? That's what they're getting at. And what does it look like? What does indoctrination look like? This has been happening on our all-inclusive cruise. We had so much fun. It was so great to be gay. So now a kid might say, oh, it might be great to be gay. And it is great to be gay. So I'm just saying that is indoctrination. That's encouraging a vulnerable youth or a youth that we're not even allowed to advertise toys to- It's encouraging cruise ships. Or certain candy to these kids. But yet a teacher can literally advertise gay sex to them all day long. So that's why I don't think, that's what I don't think's okay. I don't think it's bad to be gay. I think it's fine. You can be gay all day. So I'll ask you again, is it bad to advertise being straight? Is that indoctrinating them? No, that's not bad. Why is it not indoctrination if you advertise being straight? Because none of us would be here if it wasn't for straight heteronormative relationship. That's cool. So I think that we should encourage that. So you're cool with being gay, but you actually do think that we should not normalize it. We should keep it to the outskirts of society. We should not. That's what you're saying. I didn't say that. If you're saying that it's okay. I didn't say that. If you're saying that straight couples, we can advertise that to kids. That's fine. But we can't advertise the gay couples. What are you talking about? I just think it's weirder than China. You just think it's weird. You're gonna say China. No, I think it's weirder than China. You're gonna say they're homophobic, but I do think it's weird that they make it such a point not to have, in any of their children's movies, any sort of gay innuendos. Why is that? You're right, we should be a model. But why is that? Why do you think that? We should be modeling ourself after a communist China. I agree. I agree. That is what Alex Stein's beliefs are. My point is, there is something about a child seeing this at a young age that does indoctrinate seeing unnatural gay relationships. That might encourage him to do that. So cybernetic, supernatural gay relationships. Donk, we're made of matter. Everything we do is biological. You can't say it's something that's unnatural. And it's not going to be. I can't say something's unnatural. All right, why? So fentanyl is natural. Okay, let me ask a personal question. Why do you think that I grew up to be gay despite never being exposed to it for the first 15 years of my life? In fact, actually having it suppressed for the first 25 years of my life. Did you have any childhood sexual trauma? No. No childhood. Healthy relationship with my father. Love my parents. What about your mom? Love them both, yeah. They were both great parents. What did your dad do for a living? He was a coal miner in East Kentucky. See, that's probably why. Is that like an innuendo, like coal miner that's like, what are you? Just because he's like a badass coal miner and you're probably just sitting there playing with Barbie dolls. And then he's in the coal mine all day. You gotta take the big coal elevator. It takes 20 minutes because it's big. So my dad wrote an elevator for 20 minutes, and that made me love Dick. No, and he would come back. I can see it. My mom is being expanded into the universe. It's longer than that. He would come back and he would come back covered in the coal and soot. And your mom would complain. Darren, why don't you wipe that off? Shut up, honey. Give me a million light. I've been in the coal mine all day. And then you'd see your dad and he'd have on black face and you'd say, look at my racist dad in black face. I'm going to go suck a dick to get back at him. And then you got on the internet and he's had a big dick and then that's where you're at now. That is exactly what happened. My dad rest his soul. My dad is dead. RIP. So yeah, that is exactly what happened. Actually, I can't even refute one single part of that. It was my life story being told back to me. Thank you for your enormously informative exploration of my sexuality. Now, what I thought happened before this was I grew up, didn't really like girls, and then found out that I thought dudes with muscles and hairy chest were hot. That's how I thought it happens, like normal kids finding out while you watched Teen Wolf and you saw Boobs for the first time, I kind of liked that. That's kind of what I thought happened to me. But of course, your story is the more correct one. And that actually, I think that is very, very interesting. He's cool with gay people, but he cannot imagine a scenario in which my discovery of my own sexuality was in any way similar to his. He has to invent. I'm joking. He has to invent. I'm sure you saw a hot guy. You're like, oh, I'm attracted to him. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist. And I'm not even saying that we should not teach some sort of, at some point, about gay sex or gay relationships. I just think it's happening at an alarming rate at too young of a rate. I think that's where the problem is. Yeah, I'm based in reality. It's not what I want. It's what I have a populist mindset. It's what the people want. So gay people exist. We should give them the same rights as everybody else. But those young children that shouldn't be sexualized, they shouldn't be sexualized in heteronormative relationships. They shouldn't be sexualized in gay sexual relationships. But you said Cinderella was fine. And so Cinderella is sexualized. You could argue that Cinderella is more socially acceptable to showing the heterosexual relationship. You argue that it's sexual. There's the only reason that we're going to China. Obviously, I want to be totally different than China. But they do think that it's so important that their children don't see it. Because I feel like that they think that it does have a very powerful effect on their brain to see these things at a young age. Yeah, and that powerful effect is good. I'm just talking about the effect on it. Well, see, I don't necessarily think that's true, because this is why. Seeing gay people in media, especially in children's media, normalizes it. Now, if you think normalize is like a conspiracy theory word, you called it sinister. That's kind of right. Here's my ultimate goal for the gay agenda. If this happens, we will have achieved perfect equality, all right? You're watching a movie, a big burly man comes up and introduces, hey, this is my name's Jeff and this is my husband, Derek. And there's no record scratch. It's just so normal as to be boring and incidental. That's the ultimate goal of the gay agenda. And you can extrapolate that to a bunch of other queer identities as well. That's the ultimate goal. And yeah, we do want to normalize. What we don't want to do is, and we're pretty famous about this, we do not want to force children to not be themselves. And that applies to straight and cis kids as well. Why do you think we want to convert people out of what their regular sexuality or gender identity would be? What purpose does that serve for us? What's the sinister underlying conspiracy theory that you think happens? Why would you want to convert people to be gay? Yeah, we don't have to. Do you have more sexual partners, I guess? I got the one. I'm good. I'm just talking about why would you want to convert somebody to be the same sexual artist? You could have sex with them. That's why. Okay, but that doesn't work. We know that doesn't work. What do you mean that doesn't work? You cannot trick someone into being gay just like you can't trick them into being straight. We know conversion therapy doesn't work. The only... I don't think conversion therapy works, but I'm saying there are people that were sexually abused at a young age that have sexual identity problems later on in life. Yeah, and sometimes that problem is reversed. So I'm saying you can cause problems. I mean, so you can cause problems. You can cause problems. Of course you can. I'm not arguing that you can't cause problems, but you're arguing that you can invent and construct a sexuality out of whole cloth by showing them a gay fight flag in school. You can actually have long lasting effects by sexual molesting of a child that could theoretically turn them gay or straight. No, you cannot turn them, you can fuck them up in a lot of different ways, but you cannot invent a sexuality whole cloth. You can cause sexual confusion, but they don't know how to do it. You can cause a lot of sex. I'm not arguing that, but you're arguing that that happens by seeing a rainbow flag. That's your argument that you said. No, not necessarily. I think it's the repetition of seeing the rainbow flag. But I'm just saying it once is bad, but it's the indoctrination that overwhelms you. It's the indoctrination. There's that word again. We're indoctrinated with straight stuff every day, and that's fine. I don't want to take straight people away. You can have sex with all of the ladies on a blimp that you want to. When we're pimping on a blimp. Yeah, I know. Pimp on a blimp. I'm a husband in the house, doesn't have the same kind of punch. Oh, well. So most drag shows that I'm aware of. Yeah, so. Okay, so the question was, what do you think it's fine for kids to be as drag shows where people might be scantily clad? I don't like scantily clad. But for drag performances, they put on, I'll say it too many clothes. They put on a lot of clothes. So in most drag performances, they have more clothes on than you can count. And in that case, like you can make a drag show appropriate for kids. So of course you can. Sure, it does. Yeah, so it can show a bunch of creativity and it can question gender norms. It can say that, hey, you have the option to explore a lot of identities. You can change mannerisms. You can change your clothes. And that doesn't necessarily dictate to you what your identity ought to be. Your identity can be very, very vast and you can have a lot of different life experiences. So that's a good thing. Is it going to sexualize them? No. Not saying it's impossible, but it can happen. Well, let me answer that real quick. Yeah, I think it's terrible because now you see some natural kid and he sees some dude with a thong on and big boobs, whether they're prosthetic or silicone. Why do you keep, so you're representing a video you made? Why do you keep calling that a phone when you know it's not? What are you talking about? The video that you made? A Brazilian cut, excuse me. It's not a thing. Why do you have to lie about it? And they were wearing like pants, pantyhose underneath. Yeah, they had pantyhose underneath. Yeah, so it's not like they were wearing it. Yeah, pantyhose, skin colored pantyhose. Yeah, okay. Well, let me just say, so there's nothing sexual about a Brazilian cut and skin to cutty. Skin colored pantyhose and then tipping them like a stripper. Tipping them like a stripper. See, these guys are like, this is the problem is that he's not based in reality and Jengles is not like most of my homosexual gay friends. He's more of a part of the gay mob. Sir, can you hand me that pen? I'm trying to indoctrinate more people into his lifestyle. Did he just tip me like a stripper? By handing something to me hand to hand? Hand him cash. Yeah, that's what he's talking about. That was, you tip me like a stripper. I did not mean to sexualize you like that. Yeah, because he didn't use, I'm so sorry. First of all, he's trying to compare apples and oranges. And he's talking about the video where there's children giving cash to men dressed in sexual outfits. It weren't sexual. He shows you how smart he is. He just tried to compare a guy in a flannel shirt handing him a pen. As the same as a child. He said tip like a stripper. That's what happened. An actual transgender at a drag your kids. Are they transgender or drag queens? Which is it? It doesn't matter. Anything he says is right there. Specifics don't matter. It's the feelings. It shows how, I don't want to call you, I don't want to insult your intelligence. But just to compare that, a man handing you a pen to the same as children, literally tipping drag queens. Yeah, handing them a dollar bill from hand to hand. When you say tip like a stripper, you mean stuff something in their G string. That's what tipping like a, that's what tipping a stripper looks like. I'm just giving cash to somebody that's sexually dancing. They're not sexually dancing. Oh, you're telling me by gyrating and doing like this. Oh, that's not sexual dancing. That's not sexual dancing. See, this guy is, I'm just saying. Watch the videos. This is how smart this guy is. He doesn't even want to admit what is reality, what is right in front of his face. Like he would literally look at you and say that the ground is carpet when it's obviously not. I think you're projecting your own sexual attraction to drag queens on what was happening there. Just because you find something sexually attractive doesn't mean that it's going to sexualize children. There is an event that's called drag your kids to pride where the whole entire theme of the event was for children to be exposed to drag queens. And you think that that is not sexual. You think that's totally normal. We are not the same. I gotta ask, I gotta ask. Drag queens, now there's a lot of complexity to drag history, but drag queens primarily are performances done by gay men for gay men. And I want, if it was, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, let's explore that. If sexual, if like the thing, it feels like stripping where the entire purpose was to sexualize and get people horny and sex was the core part of it. Why would a gay man dress up like a woman to attract another gay man? How does that make sense? Well, first of all, you're trying to make sense of LGBTQIA plus, plus, plus. I don't know. People have weird sexual audio where they're bisexual. They're attracted. I'm just saying, there's, you know there's people that are bisexual, correct? Yeah, they're far more common. So, all right, you call the next one. Call the next question. Okay. Well, I would say like, you know, this, the age of consent in some places is 16. I believe that's too low. I think it's 17 in some states. And some states is 18. I just think right around that age, maybe whatever state, I'm a libertarian, but the libertarian mindset that I'm not okay is like age of consent laws. So I would skew on the being around 17 or 18 before talking about, you know, sexual stuff. The question is primarily directed to Mr. James. So 15, 18, Strasburg, France, the infamous dancing place for a bunch of people for whatever reason, and the fact that they need to dance. They need to dance until they're dead. We understand that people with psychology is very complex, very nebulous, not very difficult to understand. And in the same vein, we understand that we don't really understand just to what extent we can influence people, whether they're children, which to your point is why both of you noted, you know, it's a very important to be collaborative with children. My question is, in light of Abigail Schreiber's recent book, and the demonstrated propensity for there to be the current clusters of a transmit popping up in younger students, to what extent do we say that we definitively understand things enough to really say without a doubt that there isn't any potential for negative influence? Oh, we can't say that, we can't say without a doubt there's no impact of any sort of negative influence. So with Abigail Schreiber's book, that was based primarily on a study by Lisa Litman on rapid onset gender dysphoria. And that study does not prove what it says to prove. So if you're trying to use that study, so the study was a survey of parents of a transphobic forum and most, a lot of transphobic forums who said that this thing exists. They said that their kids were doing this and then Lisa Litman reported on it. It's a little bit like what Andrew Wakefield did with vaccines and autism. Like he found parents who said that vaccines caused autism and then reported on these parents who said vaccines caused autism and then people thought that vaccines caused autism. This is really, really, really similar to that. And of course, that's, I guess you're a big fan of his. So Lisa Litman did a follow up study on detransitioners. So if this was true, if you were encouraged, pressure to be trans, Lisa Litman is the one you wanna go to to prove it. So she did a follow up study on detransitioners and she didn't find that small minority of her population said that they were influenced to be trans. They were pressured to be in trans and just as big a section of these detransitioners, the most likely population to fall under, ribadons and gender dysphoria said that they were pressured to detransition or that they were discouraged from being trans in the first place. So it's not born out of the data. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it could go a lot of different ways. For example, my two friends in high school came out to me when I was 17. So one was a grade above me, one was a grade below me and somehow through freak of nature, they ended up being gay. And that didn't turn me gay, but what it did do was I give me that first little inkling of maybe I can finally tell somebody. I'm so fucking scared, but maybe I can tell these two people. I can't tell my parents, they'll hate me. I can't tell my school because I lived in fucking each of Kentucky. So I'm not saying that it's impossible to happen, but sometimes that social influence can be good. It can be alleviating a lot of stress that was already there. So I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm saying that the nuance of complexity is lost if you just say a bunch of kids are being tricked into being trans. And the second part of my question really is that in life of anti-culture by social media, especially, we understand that in the Instagram age, there's a potential for unhealthy social and parasocial relationships at the point. So what extent do you think that this is something that should be impressed by the LGBT community? I think what you have is, what kinds of media are you talking about? If you're saying that it's okay to be trans and okay to be gay, shouldn't. It is, those things are just true. What I don't buy and what has not been demonstrated, despite repeated asking for it, is how showing that these things are okay to be is the same thing as telling them that you got to be these things. The opposite happens far more often by a factor of I'm gonna guess 100. Well, I don't know if that's true because Chloe Cole and Abel Garcia are both people that transition and they de-transition. Two people. That I know personally and they both said that they were encouraged to do it and nobody ever actually told them about the repercussions. Do you think it would be hard for me to find two trans people who said that they were de-transured? I'm just saying, I know two people, Google it right now. Anybody look up Abel Garcia, Chloe Cole, they're both said that they were influenced to do it and nobody actually told them about the repercussions. And then look up three trans people who said that they were the opposite. Well, I name them, do you know any? Sure, yeah, so my friend Lena. So that's someone I know personally. My friend from the Violet Wanderers was enormously impacted to de-transition and my friend Ray Moon. No, I don't believe it. Look up Chloe Cole and Abel Garcia. No, believe it. Okay, Hispanic guy on the way back. Yeah, so some of them both y'all are against like the sexualization of children in general. Would you guys support legislation that would make it harder for children or underage people of the age of 18 to access porn? Sure. And how would you do that? I think it's gonna have to be with the internet. I don't know about programming the internet. Just saying yes I'm 18 apparently isn't enough. I don't know enough about web programming or anything like that to be able to verify the age of people and a little bit iffy about putting like credit cards on the internet because 10 seconds later it's gonna be leaked. But I would be interested in finding like data-driven ways to reduce that, yeah. Yeah, I mean, obviously we should have less access to sex, but this is the problem, Tony. It's like, when we were younger, not that we're the exact same age, it was like magazines, now with digital media, I mean, it's almost, I mean, how are we gonna fight the internet? The internet is the evil being and I think it's almost too big of a problem to fix. So yeah, I mean, I guess we can legislate it, but it's kind of like the drug war or the climate. By taxing people that doesn't fix the climate change, by throwing people in jail that doesn't fix the drug problem. So if I like ending the internet, I don't know how we end child sexual abuse and access to porn on the internet for minor. Do you feel the same way about like, children from grade school, children from like, pooters or puttees that you wear about like, what's the drug show? Well, that's a good one. And there was one, there's like a viral video where a five-year-old had their birthday party and like, a lot of people were causing outrage and there was like a, you know, straight thing like, why would your parents take you there? Yeah, I don't think that's necessarily appropriate for a parent to take their kids because it has sexual themes. But this is why, and this is why I think it jangles just getting mad. You can argue we don't need to sexualize kids. No, but I'm saying, this is why and this is my point is, heterosexual sex is normal, gay sex is abnormal. And I know you wanna say that it's not, but I just think that's why it's different. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's fair. Life's not fair. That's another thing that people need to realize too. And I think you gotta realize jangles. I know that sounds goofy. That sounds goofy, but I know that sounds so weird. Life's not fair. It's abnormal because it's gay and it's gay because it's abnormal. Well, because it's different than heteronormative sex and you can't have a baby from it. That's the only reason why it's not the normal sex. I wanna actually ask, why do you think that there wasn't that public outcry? Like, kids have been going to Hooters for a long time, but it didn't turn into a national, like, movement. There wasn't like a dedicated, like, Libs of TikTok, but for, why do you think Libs of TikTok, because there's concern about sexualizing children, why do you think they don't bring up kids who go to Hooters? Because that's not the same sort of problem. Why not? It's sexualizing kids, right? You said it wasn't appropriate. I do think it's appropriate. You think it is appropriate or not appropriate? I said it's not appropriate. I'm saying the instances of it, though, aren't as prevalent as the Libs of TikTok and the indoctrination of teachers. Why do you think that? We haven't seen the videos. We don't have a dedicated account seeking them out. Well, when the video goes, you guys just look, last week, a parent takes their kid to Hooters. It was like the biggest viral story for a week. So the one instance that happens, it gets covered by the mainstream media. But if the mainstream media would cover Libs of TikTok at all, which they don't, except for my biological father, Tucker Carlson, then you'd see how rampant it is. No, it's way worse, the homosexual indoctrination of children on the internet than the heterosexual. Is it homosexual or transsexual? Are you mixing up your terms again? They're kind of the same. They're kind of the same. It's the sexual confusion indoctrination. Of course, it's influenced. Here's why I'm just gonna say it's socially influenced, but I'm not gonna call it a contagion. 100 years ago, I probably wouldn't be gay because it's not acceptable. So the social influence is allowing me to come out. I'm not gonna argue that every single one of those trans, I don't know what that non-binary trans boys, whatever they identify as, but I'll argue that every single one of them is gonna persist with that throughout their entire adolescence and adulthood. That's why we need good gender clinics doing good research. The people who know the most about this stuff are the researchers doing it. And you're gonna say, and a lot of, this is what I wanna ask, I guess you, there's a pretty famous distance rates, like 65 to 95 distance rates of kids who were gender nonconforming or gender incongruent or identified with or was diagnosed with gender dysphoria, depends on the stat you use. And most of them will indeed grow out of it. Do you know where that stat comes from? Gender clinics. It comes from these clinics who are apparently rushing kids into transitioning without doing the proper research. I want good research, all right? I'm actually fine with what Sweden and Finland did to a certain extent because they're really, really dialing in the research. They're trying to gather more data on what treatment is gonna be best for what kid, what long-standing feelings and behaviors and thought processes denote a persistence of gender identity. I think we need to do more research about that. Social influence is almost definitely a component of it. That's why I want more research. I reject the notion, though, that every single child has been, like, purposely tricked into being transgender by the media and the gay pride flex. And I wanna make this point, though. This is the problem is when you look at the amount of clinics that have a gender reassignment surgery or the applications for gender hormone therapy, is that there's a small amount of people that are born intersexed or hermaphrodite with some sort of genital mutilation where oftentimes the parents are forced to make a really tough decision at birth to assign their birth, whether it be female. The oftentimes it's female because they're born with mutilated genitals and oftentimes they have to decide right then and there to have the gender reassignment surgery because the earlier they have the surgery, the more that they are... Do you know why that surgery is pushed on intersex kids? Let me just finish, my point. On intersex kids, very few people. So there are applications on why we need to have this hormone therapy. There are applications of why we need to have these surgeries. The problem is you have videos from Boston Children's Hospital that got exposed or they took it down, a guy named Billboard Chris, it's on his Twitter, where the head of the gender reassignment, whatever the gender hormone therapy department talks about how the reason why they love these children is because they become lifelong patients. So that's the problem is that there were serious medical applications even for a mastectomy for overweight boys that might have big breasts where you'd want it. But now, like Nuance Pro said, the amount of women that are identifying as men and getting the mastectomy at a rate that has never been literally at an alarming rate that they've never even seen before in the amount that people have transitioned, it is being artificially influenced by these medical hospitals, what I call the medical industrial complex because this is now a cash cow in all these other states where these clinics are opened up. If you look 10 years ago, there was 1,100th the amount of clinics in there are today. If there's a financial incentive and that's explaining the drastic increase, why do we see increases in trans individuals in countries with socialized medicine like Australia, like the UK, like Finland? Why do we see that? I mean, there's a lot of reasons. You just insinuated that it was a financial incentive and yeah, doctor. It is a financial incentive. And yeah, if you're for socialized medicine, fuck you, I'm right there with. I am for socializing. Hell yeah, awesome. Legitimately a point of agreement, but you can't say that the financial incentive is the reason that these things are happening. Well, we have a capitalist. It's like there's a financial incentive. Well, no. There's a financial incentive to treat people with type one diabetes. Is insulin therefore a secret plot to keep people addicted? Well, it's funny that you say that. It's funny you say that because insulin here in Texas costs $200, while it costs $7 in Mexico. So I would argue that we have a corrupt medical system. So I would say that that corrupt medical system is influencing children and giving them gender reassignment surgery or hormone therapy without giving them proper mental health care. Because of their gender dysphoria. Did you just say that we're giving gender like genital assignment surgery, genital surgery to children? Yeah, they are. They are? They're giving mastectomies to a 15 year olds, 14 year olds, yes. Okay, do you think they're giving genital surgeries to children? Breasts aren't genitalia. Okay, so no, just I'm just making clear because a lot of conservatives will say that we're chopping the dicks off of like seven year olds. So just making sure you weren't saying anything. Look at the ages of mastectomies. Yeah. And there are circumstances where Jeff Younger's child has been transitioned at six years old, is on hormone therapies at six years old. Wait, what? Six? Six. Look at Jeff Younger's child. Everybody look it up. It's a national court case. Type in Jeff Younger. Do you think that's in the medical practice? Like that's the norm? That's what the standards say? I have an application right now. Why would you put a six year old on hormone block? Oh, what? Type in Jeff Younger. I don't know. A judge allowed it. Judge Mary Brown here in Texas, okay for a six year old to be on hormone therapy, which I think is a good thing. Was it hormone? Well, one, it might be a medical condition. Yeah, this is why hormone therapy isn't. Yeah, if it's a hormone therapy for like medical conditioning, that's different than transitioning. And six year old should be on puberty blockers. Can we agree? A six year old should be on puberty blockers if they're going through puberty, right? That's the best person to be on puberty blockers. No, let me just tell you this. This is why other people that say, and this is for me that I am actually very passionate about, you'll see a lot of people in the trans community will say that gender hormone therapy is reversible. That's a provable and laughable lie. You have one window of maturation of your puberty. If you halt that any bit, that window closes. It doesn't reopen up. There are people that got on the hormone therapy at 12 years old, quit at 17. You're mixing up hormone therapy and puberty blockers. Those are not the same thing. Yes, they are. No, they're not. Cross-exhormones are ganatotropic. Typically it's like ganatotropic, walking hormone. You're blocking ganatotropic-releasing hormone with puberty blockers, and cross-exhormones are like actual like estrogens, typically sentient beta-escher dial and testosterone. There are different applications of hormone. But those are not in the same league. Estrogenized, or you can over... One is literally stopping hormones and one is giving hormones. They're different. Do you know what you're talking about? But there's different applications for it. I'm talking about any sort of hormone therapy whatsoever at a young age. Children, I'm guessing the majority of kids here during their puberty, did you take hormones at all? No, the majority of human beings do not take any hormones. The majority of human beings take insulin. Whether it's puberty blockers or it's gender hormone therapy. Yeah, we're saving them for trans kids who really need it. What I'm saying is... Why do you think... They are not reversible. Is that the conspiracy? Because secretly, we want to put every kid up. Once again, you want to argue semantics. I'm talking about hormone therapy pills that affect a child's natural puberty. If you mix up medications, is that semantics to point out that you're wrong? To mix up medications? You just confused puberty blockers with hormone therapy. That's not semantics. Those are different medications. First of all, puberty blockers is a form of hormone therapy, bud. No, it's not. It's hormone blocking. When you say hormone therapy, you're talking about... Hormone therapy and hormone blocking are the same, bud. They are not... They are the same. Blocking a hormone and giving a hormone. He's just wrong. Hormone therapy and hormone blocking are the same thing. They're not. That's why they're different. That's why they're called different things. If you're using any therapeutic application, whether to block the hormones, encourage the hormones, it is hormone therapy. I'm not here to circumcise an ant. I'm talking about the application of pills to children. He doesn't know the different medications that he's talking about. All right, next question. Jengles, you literally tried to compare a guy picking up a pen and handing it to you. Tipping like a stripper. A child tipping a stripper, which you can go and see. Yeah, hand to hand. So I'm just showing the dollar to somebody. He shows you that how ingenuine you are, though, Jengles. Just because you're losing in this debate, that's what you have to go to. It's just sad. That's not true. Well, I'm pretty sure. I mean, if we talk to Jeff Younger, I'm pretty sure that the child's on. I mean... Were they giving the whole block, is it six? That's what I've heard. Were you all or did you lie? If you like, I can quote the part to start. Okay, quote the part. He knows what he's talking about. It's a social transition of a six-year-old. I apologize. You're okay. But so they socially transition to six-year-old. A six-year-old, guys, which I guess you guys think that's normal, but a six-year-old can't drive the car. The truth wasn't enough so we had to invent a medicine that this kid was being given. No, what I'm saying is it's a social transition of a six-year-old, is not right. I don't think a six-year-old can even pick their dinner. They shouldn't be able to pick their sex. And then the idea that you read something was very alarming. At two years old, that's when they gave the baby gender. That two-year-old, the child, encouraged you to express a proclimity towards that thing. So imagine that. I know, but imagine letting a two-year-old choose your sexuality. Is that what they said? That basic, yes. The truth wasn't enough to invent a life. No, by creating social constructs that make a two-year-old pick its sex. Think how smart you are for encouraging that. You're real brilliant. Would you let a two-year-old pick anything? I really ended up reading the story. Yeah. I know, but you're brilliant enough for wanting a six-year-old to be a transition. I just showed you. That shows you how brilliant you are. You can just say you were wrong. I don't mean to accuse you of lying. No, the fact that I didn't know that he's not on hormone therapy, that I know that he's being socially transitioned by a judge, I say that that's wrong. Should anybody care what I think? No, I don't think anybody should ever care what I think. I don't care what you're saying. You shouldn't care what anybody thinks. That's the other thing, is you guys shouldn't let people, you shouldn't let people make decisions. You have the medical experts, he said earlier, people used to have lobotomies. No, Matt, Matt, there was a time when they gave people lobotomies. The medical expert was saying, You know how linear time works? Hey, on. Do you know how linear time works? They did stuff then that they're not doing now. They were medical experts then, and they realized that is wrong. The stuff that the medical experts are saying is wrong now. Yeah, the medical experts, instead of they were wrong. You're gonna say that's wrong. More medical experts are wrong, more medical experts are wrong. Yeah, more medical experts, dude. Matt, just, Matt, it wasn't some fucking, But Matt, you're getting mad, because you're like, you're gay, right? I'm a clown. Why? Because I don't want to transition children. I'm a clown. You're the one of the things that we evolved from pawns. No, but Matt, you're just a famous bald-headed atheist, so you think that you know it all. You don't know anything. No, I'm just saying, but you're just a bald idiot that think we evolved from pawns come. So you can make fun of me, but you're an idiot too, that realizes that you don't even know where we were created. Alex, Alex, honey, we're moving on. You think two rocks smashed together, and we just came from nothing, yeah. So you're real brilliant. You're so smart. Oh yeah, they're pre-mortial soon, sure about it. Oh, you're headlining the modern day to bacon. Oh, you're so cool. You're like a hundred years old, and this is what you do for a living. Next question. You're a professional debater. Yeah, yeah, you're a bald professional debater. Oh, you're so cool, Matt. Oh, I'm so cool. I'm a bald gay debater. Yes. Steelman version. Steelman version. Puberty blockers tend to, when they're used, even when they're used correctly, they are gonna have irreversible side effects because they're gonna lead to cross-exformance. Okay, we agree on that. Now that is true, and you do not want to get it wrong. Like, there are deterring decisioners, and we have got it wrong in the past. What we need is more research to reduce the amount that that happens. There's gonna be a non-zero percent regret rate for all surgeries, but we do need to reduce that as low as we possibly can. We do need to be upfront with medical consent. We do need to let people know that, hey, there are risks involved in these medications. There are risks involved in these hormones that we're gonna give after the puberty suppressants. And then, of course, there are risks involved in the actual surgery that they might incur. So we need to be as informed as possible. And I do want to steelman that there are risks and there are problems if we get it wrong. That's why I want the most research. I want the most ability to study and make the procedure and treatments better. And on top of that, we can have increased societal acceptance to alleviate those nonsurgical needs. Something really interesting that Queer Theory does is that it rejects this dichotomous view of gender. If you want to reduce the amount of kids like transitioning, thinking they need medical transitioning, Queer Theory is where you go because it rejects that dichotomized view. It says there's a whole spectrum that you can be. And you don't have to be a girly girl to be a girl. You don't have to have surgery or certain body parts to be the gender that you say you are. So more Queer Theory in that instance would be good. I would like to have happier, healthier people and more research to reduce the number of instances in which we get it wrong would be good. Well, yeah, that's what I said earlier. I mean, that's why I would argue that it's less bad to be indoctrinated in heteronormative relationships than gay sexually relationships. So yeah, I think we're all indoctrinated. Yeah, I agree with you on that. But it's just one is different than the other. That's considered socially more normal than gay sex. There's poop in gay sex, yes. Oh my God, how am I failed? I'm a pimp on a blimp. I got a show coming on a blimp. A reality show. Yes, I got kicked off a reality show. So that's not the same as having gay sex. But yes, I've been kicked off a reality show. I'm a pimp on a blimp. I'm primetime 99, Alex Dine. And my TV show is not failed. That's why you know who I am. That's why you Google my career. That's why you look into me. That's why you're here talking to me. Well, I'm a pimp on a blimp. I have a new show coming out. You guys can make fun of me that I'm a reality TV star, but I am primetime 99. I'm on the grind all the time. Hey, no, no, I do want to point out that that really wasn't a fair question to compare gay sex to his reality show career, because I didn't get kicked out of gay sex after the first time I tried it. And first of all, which show are you talking about? I've been on multiple reality shows. OK, well, I was on Worst Cooks in America. I was multiple episodes on that. What about other reality shows? Were you talking about Worst Cooks in America? It's on, like, 17 seasons now. Season five. It did really well in the redness. Have we been taking a while to do that? Google. Wait, wait, so my career's not successful enough. What show are you talking about? Google it. What do you think, have the reddies look on hand? You've obviously loved my TV career. I believe so, as I think they have a big dildo dinner, and then they have, I think they do, like, gay jenga. And they do a bunch of stuff. It is a very gay cruise. I'm not going to deny that. Except for Straight Night. Straight Night, you have to go straight. Pay for straight. Straight for pay, whatever. The largest ever genetic study of over 500,000 participants has been published in Nature magazine, which is the highest accredited magazine for biological studies, has concluded that there is no gaging. Correct. Seems to me that homosexuality and contradictory to both evolution and the word. How would you explain your sexuality and how it seems that you were born into it rather than it comes from that side of you? Well, sure, because one, yeah, I agree. There's not a gay gene. You're not going to point to a single gene that explains like the vast complexity of human sexuality. Now, it is natural because what else would it be? I'm asking you. If it wasn't at least partly rooted in genetics, this proclivity to find to masculinity attractive, what else would it be? I reject the Lord because that doesn't exist. So it has to be based in nature. It has to be based in physical reality. It has to be natural. It has to be based in genetics because there literally is no other option unless you believe in some sort of supernatural force that is manipulating our sexualities. I know that it wasn't a conscious decision that I made. And despite enormous social pressure to the opposite direction, I still found that this is where I want to be. If it was a choice, I made the right one, had the most wonderful husband in the world. But it wasn't that way. So how would I explain it? It's like, what else do you think it could be? It's natural. Otherwise. I think Mr. Stein was right earlier talking about things like outside influences, possibly your operating of your dad. I don't see how anything in your set would completely contradict what Mr. Stein was saying. Oh, the thing you were saying about my dad taking the elevator in the coal mine, and that's why I'm gay? That's the thing you're agreeing with? I'm saying that, yes. I do think that this movement should be set. And it's one final thing. So when was the last time you were on the moon? When was the last time I was on the moon? No, humans were on the moon. Humans were on the moon. I don't know. 1969. Nice. 1972, suppose. When did the homosexual movement come into fruition in mass? 50s and 60s. Do you think that any reason why there was two mass from the site of strongly as well as the US style came out of the world? Yes, we actually found gay on the moon. Maybe. Go back. What do you think about the motion they get? This guy, is it? That's the last question. First of all, I think, well, you can't really think of it as being ACG, dancing, whining. It's not going to happen. It's a more complex conversation. I do want to talk to Stein. Earlier, you talked about how natural sex would only be heterosexual sex. Other than arguing from the Bible, and perhaps the inability for procreation to take place in homosexuals, what other arguments do you have? But what other evidence do you point that natural sex has to only be that, and that sexuality can only be narrowed down to just that penetration? Do you have cats? Do you have cats? Do you have a dog? So how does a dog have, how do they procreate? How do dogs have babies? I understand appropriation, but my question to you is, what other evidence are you thinking you provide? So when two male dogs hump each other, they don't have a baby, right? But then if a male and female dog hump, they have a baby, right? Do you think those two male dogs hopping have been socially influenced to be tricked into being gay? No, but I'm saying, you're asking, what's the difference between the two forms of natural sex and unnatural sex? It just seems like you're narrowing sexuality down to just appropriation and then maybe... Well, that's sex is procreation. Right, but sex, appropriation, can't be the only... Well, I would argue, see, this is what I would argue, and you can disagree with this or not. Okay, there's different forms of sex, there's like oral sex, this and that, but the only real sex, sex, sex for procreation is between a man and a woman. You could argue that the rest of it is like kink or foreplay, even anal sex. I know you can ejaculate from it, so maybe that's not foreplay, but the only way to make a baby, the real sex way to create another actual human being the most natural way is between a man and a woman. So all the rest of the sex is basically foreplay or just a different form of kink or fetish. Actual sex, seeing a man and a woman, whether it's a human, a dog, cat, to have a baby is the most normal, natural form of sex. So you've never had sex because you've never had sex to make a baby? I have had sex to have a baby, I just didn't get it pregnant. You just didn't get it pregnant? No. So you failed to have sex? She wasn't on her, she wasn't fertile. That's a good time to wrap up, as we... We don't have about five minutes, and then we'll do the one minute. If you have a question or one thing you want to, let us know, we'll see if you can make that work based on the number or the weight of that. But if you have a question, let us know, and that's a little fun, because that's what a lot of our, basically, it's gonna be a good one, very specific, that'll be a message on you, that's me, on the bodily and on the argument, if you want to transfer an additional weight, let us know, and we can do it as well. Thanks so much, and we'll see you from that point. Thank you, Django. See you, buddy. That was fun, that was fun as hell.