 Yeah, Jenny has a an appointment so she will not be around for the post show Here we go Daily tech news show with Tom Merritt is brought to you by loyal No, what was that? It's a curious group in here Daily tech news show with Tom Merritt is brought to you by loyal patrons like you if that's not you Head on over to bit.ly slash help DTNS because giving a little always helps a lot. That's bit.ly slash help DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday July 23rd 2015 I'm Tom Merritt joining me on a Thursday not on a Monday, but it's okay Veronica Belmont is here. How's going Veronica? Great. Yeah, this is my second non Monday in a row. I think you're starting to make people believe that you aren't on Mondays I'm not actually the Monday contributor. I'm just some kind of weird up in the air whenever she unstuck herself to show up Also joining us today because we're going to talk about Windows 10 a week ahead of its launch Mr. Paul Therat of Windows Weekly and what the tech and of course Therat.com. How's it going Paul? Very well. Thank you. How are you? Thank you for joining us We're gonna talk a lot about Windows 10, but just off the top of your head if you had to say in two words Well, you think of Windows 10. What two words could you choose? Here we go, let's take a look at some headlines The Verge reports electronic sports league you probably hear it referred to as ESL will introduce a drug policy Esports has made it. Glory Friesen a high ranked counter strike global offensive player recently admitted to using Adderall During matches the ESL said it's in the beginning stage of formulating a policy So it hasn't presented an implementation timeline and punishments will not be enforced Retroactively, but they are part of the world doping organizations that other sports are part of so sadly That's for real now. Yeah No, that is a that is a big deal and I'm not surprised actually that Adderall was the first drug to come to the fore in this particular bit of drama in ESL But yeah, it makes you wonder like gosh But what if what if you need Adderall because you have ADD or have other some other kind of learning disorder? I guess you would have to get that checked off by a doctor first sure and I think there is precedent in Professional sports or other types that if you need a steroid for a therapeutic purpose, you can get a doctor to sign off and say Yes, we're only giving it to them in this amount etc. But I think those cases are less frequent than might be the case. I don't know In e-sports, I always play e-sports better after a couple beers does that count? Yeah, I don't think there's anything I don't think that's a controlled substance. Okay, Paul You're laughing you play you play Call of Duty better Yeah, well, I'm completely against this ban All right moving on Xiaomi is teaming up with Uber to help deliver smartphones in Singapore and Malaysia according to recode Users can select Xiaomi from the uber app to order a minot phone and pay with the credit card tied to the uber account You like how I called it uber They call it over there, right? No, it makes sense to me. I wasn't gonna say anything This is yeah, this is this kind of follows on the trend of uber delivering all the things that people need It's really becoming a go-to service for getting goods getting services getting puppies getting ice cream Whatever it is they happen to be promoting that day But yeah, they're they're kind of jumping into the the postmates category or the task-grabbit category Where you can have something kind of random delivered to your house just because that's what you need at that moment And they have drivers out there in the world Yeah, and Xiaomi is definitely the kind of company that wants to try different distribution methods as well So it's kind of a partnership made in heaven. I guess Tom. Did I did I say that right? Say what right? Xiaomi Xiaomi. Yeah, you did. Yeah. Me. Thank you TechCrunch reports line has launched a slimmed down version of its messaging app called line light for Android The one megabyte app only does checks text chat It is available in Algeria, Cambodia, Colombia, Egypt, India, Mexico, Pakistan, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Korea, and Vietnam Line has 205 million users, but they're mostly in Japan Thailand and Taiwan So they want to expand outside of those markets And of course you remember Facebook put out a slimmed down version recently as well So a few other companies. Yeah, I learned about line in the first time when I was in Japan actually because it was so Hugely popular over there, and I believe I also downloaded it recently when I was in China Because I think it was one of the apps that wasn't blocked there for for messaging use. What do you use for messaging Paul? Hey, it's Facebook. I'm an old person Messengers pretty popular when there's phones, so we're not sleep back water world You your answer is actually more current with world trends than mine, which would be SMS. I know That's actually fair. I probably do use SMS more than more than Facebook a slack. It's all about the slack. I Love me some slack. Okay moving on Microsoft Facebook Yahoo Dropbox AT&T Adobe and LinkedIn Wow have teamed up with education partners like Stanford Carnegie Mellon and Georgia Tech to help educate future developers and app makers about accessibility accessibility the partnership is called teaching accessibility and will focus on accessibility and design principles and Main courses taken by computer scientists designers and researchers Microsoft says job descriptions should also state a preference for those with accessibility knowledge That's a sense. Yeah, a lot of companies including Microsoft have been making a lot of positive strides towards addressing accessibility issues Which is something that you know market-wise there probably isn't as much pressure on them to do You know, I I mean, I guess we have gotten Request for that kind of thing even just for sword and laser and other shows that we've done in the past for people who Can't hear or are blind and don't aren't able to see the show notes in the way that we're entering them on the website So, you know, this is all stuff that we have to think about as we become an increasingly wired together world we have to take everyone into account and make sure everyone can access the same information and Be able to communicate and online in the same way that that cited and hearing enabled and all sorts of people can use Reuters reports LG display company believes OLED is the future and they're putting their money where their mouth is world's largest LCD display maker is going to invest a billion dollars in their fourth OLED display factory LG display and Samsung display, which is a division of Samsung are the only companies capable of large-scale OLED screen Production right now and the aim is to provide more capacity for small and mid-sized devices They make the TV screens as well But it seems like the growth is all in phones and watches and things like that Remember when everyone was all excited about the like 11 inch OLED screens? Yeah, we're like, oh, it's so beautiful And now it's gonna be like LED the new the new plasma And then it will have the same Nine to five Mac has sources that say Apple will soon allow approved manufacturers to make charging pads for the Apple watch Right now dock makers can only create a space in their dock for Apple's magnetic charger to rest Why? Has it's taken so long And it's news No Seriously though, I mean, it's kind of it's been boggling my mind because I want a Stand charger for this dumb watch and yet they the only I mean They've created really cool looking ones for sure where you can stick the charger in and have it work But at the same time, it's not as for a company that really wants that that aesthetics matters so much You think that they would be right out of the gate saying, okay, here are the Here's what you can work with here are the specs This is what you what you can do and and approve at least a handful of manufacturers right out of the gate But I guess they want people to buy their own chargers first and then think about third-party creators later Paul do you have any idea it just seems to be the apples method of control Yeah, I was yesterday. This seems consistent to me. They typically work like this a new iPhone will come out and the Cases for it are really available right away or in this case a charger, you know I they tend to slipstream the stuff in over time and honestly, I mean in some ways They're better than they used to be with regards to opening this stuff up to the third parties. Yeah, that's true At least they may although this is still sources. Yeah Here's one for you app devs tech crunch reports IBM has acquired compose a database as a service startup once known as Mongo HQ although they do more than Mongo now the company will continue to operate as usual continue to serve its customers Its service lets app developers not have to worry about database back ends and IBM intends to use compose to expand its blue mix platform offerings Yay Hey, if you're an app dev. Yes. Yay. I hope that that someday that that yay is used in an IBM ad Moving on. Here's one for the sys admins Tech crunch reports Google has taken its cold storage service near line out of beta The service offers a very warm cold storage service offering access to archive data within seconds rather than hours It's also less than half the price of standard cloud storage cloud storage transfer service is also now generally available If you want to move data from any HTTPS server, including Amazon s3 There's also an offer for a 10 petabyte credit for new 100 Petabyte credit 100 petabyte credit for new customers, but that also has some strings attached It's really confusing offer of like you have to commit to keeping the 100 petabytes above 100 petabytes for a certain amount of time So go go read it up and see if it actually helps you at all Cold storage for consumers, you know something like Amazon Glacier, but for people Yeah, just just for the data. I have I don't really need all that much But I don't want to lose it and I would love to push it into something that was you know less expensive, but more voluminous And and with access of seconds like this, which technically it's not cold storage. Yeah I mean, it's it's it's tepid storage, right? I mean you can't call it up immediately, but it's like accessing the web in 1995 Oh and a tensor guy wants me to say accessibility a few more times so accessibility. It's important Problem with that All right, several of the stories you've heard are from our subreddit dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Get in there and enjoy all of the offerings of our audience There's more than 5,000 people in there submitting stories and it helps the more people that vote for us to make our lineup T2T2 sent us this one the Verge reports that the European Union Commission has issued a statement of objection against Sky UK and Six major film studios saying licensing agreements Unfairly restrict customers access to content within the EU the studios are Disney NBC Universal Paramount Sony 20th Century Fox and Warner Brothers the big ones the companies all have a chance to respond before a full Antitrust suit is brought Commission is also investigating similar charges against Canal Plus, Sky Italia, Sky Deutschland and others Trying to make it like it is here in the US where it doesn't matter as long as you're in Europe You can watch whatever you've bought or you're streamed Mm-hmm Moving on star fury Zeta passed us the engadget story about twitch converting from flash to HTML 5. Yay The first step is swapping out the video controls videos are still flash based for now But we'll eventually be converted as well Oh, is that a nail in that in that in the flash coffin? I think we're running out of space. Yeah, well deserved now And finally Yeah, seriously CNBC reports Amazon reported twenty three point one eight billion dollars in revenue and a profit of 92 million dollars earnings per share of 19 cents analysts had expected revenue of 23.39 billion so they missed a little bit on that but earnings per share they expected a loss of 14 cents take that profit margin moners Amazon's major some money Take that Rubbing it in people's faces. So is this 92 millions million in profits over what the past ten years? Is that what we're looking at here? Well, I mean seriously 92 million out of 23 point 18 billion is it is a razor thin But for Amazon, that's fantastic. I know right? It's that that's what's crazy is how exciting that is for Amazon to talk Yeah, right no, that's true. Well, but what they had what was it prime day? Prime day, that's right. Yeah, they get rid of old stock day. I mean, yeah, so they made their own holiday Not I guess that must have worked must help push them up above Okay, folks Windows 10 come in July 29th and and Paul that means July 29th We can all sit down and update Windows 10 as long as we are part of the insider program and have reserved our copy. Is that right? Yes, actually that is right. Okay, as long as you're part of the insider program. Yeah, so Who who else can get it on July 29th? Is that pretty much it like if you're not part of the insider program you're gonna have to wait It's really unclear that people who are in the insider program are in fact getting it right now So if you had already upgraded PCs to a beta version of Windows 10, you will have by now already gotten the final RTM version I mean there might be hot fixes that will occur over the next week But it's already been happening and all my PCs have already been upgraded except it's not an RTM version because No version is going to be an RTM version, which is also confusing. This is take the blue pill take the red pill You know, I don't know I have parsed this and Frankly, there is something that they gave to PC makers that would assume and we could call that RTM I mean, I don't know why they don't because they released it to manufacturers To manufacturers so that would make sense to call it RTM. Okay, I think so. Yeah, but they're not calling I do not think so. I've been corrected on this three times by Microsoft now. Oh, no So is there any reason we shouldn't look to upgrade as soon as this, you know gets pushed out to us? I know there are plenty reasons. Oh, yeah, please. Please share with us. Well, no I mean it just generally I would say it's unproven in some ways, right? We've we had five million people tested through the Windows Insider program Which is the best ever but it's still only five million out of a potential audience of one to one point five billion people So I think for most people it's advantageous to wait and see how it goes Microsoft's going to Slipstream people into the upgrade system over the days and weeks and maybe months after July 29th. I Mean, let's see how fast it goes if it goes fast That means things went really well and in that case I think it might be safe for individuals to upgrade but there's no Huge impetus to do it immediately unless you're just a technology fanatic like I am You know, well, and that's it's a good question I mean those of us who just want to try it probably have already been trying it right those of us Who are waiting for the day? That that aren't Efficient autos Probably won't really care if we have to wait a little longer So I guess it doesn't matter if they delay it But is there anyone who really should upgrade beyond just the folks who are enthusiastic about it? You're talking about upgrading on an existing computer. Yeah, so for that's already on there That's it's a tough one to answer because in most cases the answer is always no right because if you have a perfectly working Windows computer, why would you ever take the chance of upgrading to something that is perhaps a little unfamiliar has different features works Definitely, etc There are neat things about Windows 10 and it's it's it's a much more positive experience than Windows 8 ever was not just from a user experience standpoint, but also from just an upgrade experience standpoint, but it's still a fairly much major undertaking and There's a lot of support infrastructure in place. Like I said earlier, we'll see how it goes, but I would you know, I would take a wait and see Approach to this one just because of the sheer enormity of it So my biggest reason for using Windows overall is for gaming. Are there any major? Yes, any issues are there things? Drivers or you know, what is it? What does this mean for gamers PC games? So for gamers, I actually it is in that positive So it's got a new version of DirectX which will be unique to Windows 10. It has integration features with Xbox One which are kind of hit or miss. You know, there's a game streaming feature, which is kind of interesting You can have a game that's running on your Xbox one streaming over the local network to your Windows 10 computer Using an Xbox one controller, which today has to be connected with USB You can play the game when your computer which sounds neat because maybe there are people in the living room that want to watch TV or whatever But the console can't actually be used for anything else And so if you're gonna do something else in that TV, it can't be on the Xbox one So you're still only getting a single person Experience there but pretty cool So if my wife is watching TV through the Xbox one, which is connected to our TV Oh, I won't be able to stream a game off of it, right Right, it seems it seems like something that's gonna be addressed over time because the Xbox one is a fairly powerful computer It seems like it should be able to multitask. I've seen it. It's a kid Yeah, overall, it's it's in that plus I would say for gamers though Well, I think the other the other reason not to upgrade to Windows 10 right now is to savor the fact that you have a choice Because we've had a lot of people Covetching about the fact that with Windows 10 home You don't get a choice unless you want to flag your wireless connection as as being one that you know shouldn't be upgraded on You are going to continue to have Windows 10 the latest version forever So that you know, it's interesting there are two sides this And I should add even if you're in Windows 10 pro technically speaking you have to upgrade as well because in order for you to continue Getting support from Microsoft you actually have to keep the computer up to date So even though it may not enforce it through code you still have to do that in order to be supported But the two sides of it it sort of reminds me of maybe a helmet law with motorcycles or seatbelt law with cars You know when you're trying to protect people from their own Stupidity for lack of a better term protect people from themselves or you know Obviously in this case protecting from the outside world in the form of hacker attacks or whatever There are instances where Microsoft software updates have worked Windows or have caused problems Of course people are looking at this and saying you know What if what if that happens and I guess all I would say is you know We'll see of course But also, you know, there are cases where seatbelts have hurt people or even killed people as well Even though by and large they're they're designed well to protect them. So I think this is the right approach Overall, it's ultimately the approach that every other platform maker already takes and it's much easier to respond to threats when you have fewer versions of code out in the world and so today we have three supported versions of Windows essentially seven eight and ten now and Multiple versions of Internet Explorer multiple versions of Microsoft server products and every time something happens They have to create multiple versions of fixes to get that stuff fixed I think that the point of this is a good one Which is keep everyone or as many people as possible on that same code level so that they can fix things more quickly When there are problems, so so my big takeaway from this is that Windows 10 could potentially kill me Yes, but put another way Windows 10 will probably make your life better will probably save your life There are no promises. Yeah, no I get what you're saying and I get what Microsoft is trying to do It's better for devs to have a you know a single platform to develop for that. They know most people will have The one thing that I noticed I hadn't thought about this originally when I read about the fact that of the forced upgrades though Most enterprises will wait sometimes up to a couple of years or even a whole version To upgrade their fleets There's a lot of folks with Windows 7 in the enterprise right now who may not even go to Windows 10 That will end if this continues to be the case because eventually everybody will upgrade and there won't be any way to downgrade So enterprise it well right okay eventually I guess Windows 8 will exit support and they can't downgrade to Windows 8 although. I mean, it'll be a while I know Windows 7 doesn't end of life till January 2020. Yeah, it will be a while um The thing that's interesting about the forced upgrading is that there are ways to defer those upgrades Even home users can defer upgrades updates. I should say Pro users can obviously do that as well enterprises can do that for a long long period of time And you know people have been asking well, they're giving windows away for free to consumers essentially Why would they why would enterprises even pay for this thing? Well, this is one of the reasons They're allowed to control how these updates occur or when they occur within reason They can't hold off on a you know a critical security update for 10 years or whatever But they can in fact defer those updates as they need to So we'll go to a world in which everyone's on windows 10 But enterprises might be on an earlier version of windows 10, but it'll all be windows 10 You get it You know and by the way, I there is I just draw the parallel with mobile operating systems like android or actually ios is a better example Where people don't really question the fact that this thing gets updated over time When we always move forward to the new version essentially I think the trouble with windows is that it's such a legacy code base We're used to doing things a certain way and have been doing it that way for 20 years And so I think a lot of people are very ingrained in the way that they do things and this seems like somewhat of an affront, but I do think overall As we get used to it. It will it will work out for the better And yeah, when when they turned on updates by default people You know they they complained when they stopped shipping floppy disc versions of windows people complained So I think you're probably right Before we move off of this one last question. Let me just show you one thing before we go. Oh, sure. Yeah, this is the little This is how they're shipping it today. Oh, that's the uh, that's the boxed version right there the usb stick That is that's a tiny little usb stick. Yeah It's so cute. It is cute And it's got a tile at the end It does have a tile Do you think that windows 10? I mean this is the question that nobody really knows the answer But how good of a move do you think windows 10 will end up being for microsoft? Yeah, so that's a tough one I mean obviously in today's world things are very different android is as big as windows ios is creeping up there um windows may be the 30 ecosystem very soon and I think this is smart because it it halts the blood, you know, the bloodbath that was windows 8 Uh in its tracks very nicely. I think this is a nice response to that It's it is an upgrade that I think is equally applicable to people that use windows 7 today on a traditional computer And people that use a touch base tablet or whatever with windows 8 And I think that's important and I think people are going to rally around that and I do think they're going to get some positive news out of that The trouble is how does this impact the broader platform issues around people aren't developing apps for the store? mobile hasn't gone anywhere fast And how do you address that and that is the great unknown? It's kind of hard to say but I I feel a lot better about this version of windows I did about windows 8 windows 8 was a really uncomfortable conversation um And when the 10 is not I mean, it's really not a lot to say that's bad about it. It's it's pretty fantastic All right, let's move on to our pick of the day It comes from an anonymous user But they point out that the music catalog for popular streaming services doesn't have many non english songs So for someone who wants to stream arabic music legally They've had to use youtube enter angami angami.com. It's anghi.com a music streaming service that operates a lot like spotify But their catalog is focused on arabic music just like almost all streaming services. There's a free version with ads There's a paid version with no ads and offline storage They have apps for ios android windows phone blackberry and nokia ov although no desktop version He said we put it on my dad's smartphone. He listens to it all the time and he's on his commute To and from work I love it because it gives me access to new and popular arab music that I wouldn't have found out about otherwise living here in the us So if you're interested in finding an easy way to stream arabic music on your smote foreign smart phone Check it out angami angami.com Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com you can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Do you guys use any off off the beaten path music streaming services? Actually, I do it's called x. Oh no, it's called groove music. Excuse me. It's just renamed it It's I think I am one of about five people that uses this. What is it called again? Uh, it used to be called xbox music. You might have heard of it Now it's called groove music We talked about It's actually pretty great, but nobody It's pretty much me and some guys from microsoft that use it. I think We just I think we're gonna get out of it. I think we're gonna go back to ardio Oh, I immediately As soon as I tried the trial of apple music. I I turned off the auto renew. So Yeah, it'll just go away. It'll just go away Let's get to our messages of the day. Uh, we had a lot of people respond to our conversation yesterday about google's new tracking Looking at at where you've been Site where you can see on google maps all the places that it knows that you've been let's start with a call from jacob. Hi tom This is jacob from ridiculously hot eugenia origan. I was listening to your discussion on google's Where i've been feature and I thought I'd chime in um because about 10 years ago in 2005 As a little side project I created a php script that basically does the same thing It gives me a map integrated with google maps api that shows me where I've been And it's been handy over the years a couple of times I know you were trying to find a use for it Mainly what I used for is if I wanted to look up pictures from a trip I took a long time ago and couldn't remember exactly when it was I'll just look it up on the map and it'll tell me When I was there and then I can look up the pictures, you know, they're all sorted by date Um, but it is kind of fun to see where you've been and what you've been up to and how you've spent your time Um, I thought I'd chime in The way I've been gathering this data is with a handy little ios app called device locator. It basically works like Apples find my phone feature except with a lot more features. Uh, I guess you could call that my pick Uh, keep up the good work. It's a great show and I love listening to it. Take care Thanks for that jacob. We got a bunch of other people responded to rich from lovely cleveland said I want this tied into zillow. So when I'm looking to move I can see what my travel time would be if I changed to A new location uh key. We read wants to know why everybody's skeptical about google doing this when they're showing you what they collected Where the the mobile carriers won't show you all the things they know about you Guy from trinidad, uh said he uses it to complete his own attendance sheet He just waits until the end of the month and checks his history Other people have been used it to log their miles Kenny brooks says, uh, I don't think google has an obligation to provide an upfront examples of a use case I think we Need to present the use cases and then ned from sunny sydney Said the visualization of your location data used to be called location history and would be found at maps dot google dot com Dot au slash location history. I use this feature for figuring out my time sheet for work as well As it would chart when I went to a particular location. He's like the new timeline design is nice But he thinks it even contains less information. I'm not sure that's true or not, but uh, yeah Paul does this google showing you what they know about you bother you I actually think this feature is cool I'm usually a little dubious about google and the data they collect But this reminds me a lot of the google photos Service where it starts making little stories about the stuff you've done in the past So if you log in on your app on a phone or tablet on the web It makes these little stories. I I they're always kind of cool. I mean, they're always a little off too I think combined two trips in weird ways or whatever, but I just like that I you know, I think no one's more fascinated by me than I am and I and google is just showing me that, you know What's kind of neat? Veronica, what did you think of this? Yeah, I mean I I I would prefer to know I think at the end of the day I would rather it be upfront and kind of in my face than have to be surprised by it later down the line I don't know. I I don't mind location services so much says the person who turns off all her location services You're right because you turn off my friends and all the things. Yeah, I don't mind them when I turn them off Yeah, so you just got a big empty map of the world. Yeah, that's how I like it Yeah, the world is my oyster And that's the key is having control and I think that's why I don't mind this this service from google is they gave you all the control They gave you an easy way to turn it off They gave you ways to edit individual trips. You could delete individual trips or rename them Uh, and so as long as you're giving me the control over it, I'm fine with it Yeah, I like data though. I always like data. So that is actually one one good selling point for me Got a couple of emails from people responding to our conversation with patrick bezia about the mobile internet Ryan says as a web developer I'd say that many mobile websites suck but a lot of the issues you mentioned are issues of bad web design There aren't really any technical reasons stopping developers from making websites that work well on mobile devices The mobile web as a technology platform is far from sucking And then eric said the mobile browser has to interpret three different languages html css and javascript Mobile devices have an inherent disadvantage in doing that simply because it's very inefficient So he thinks the platform is a problem a standard that would compile this language to make them more efficient on mobile devices Would go a long way to help performance issues. I think eric's got a point There are some some drawbacks to doing things on mobile And in fact the fact somebody else pointed out the fact that Your permissions for the browser now apply to every mobile app at that point although there are workarounds for that as well But do you guys uh, do you use browsers much on mobile or do you stick to apps? I definitely I do a little bit of both. Um, but I have been in recent years You know pretty disappointed by the the look and feel of of certain Um Certain sites particularly news sites. I think are probably some of the worst offenders When it comes to having a decent reading experience Online on your phone on your mobile device And yeah, it's not because the sites aren't optimized But I think it's some of the reasons that you guys probably mentioned it on the show Which are just these horrific pop-up ads and things that don't load properly and images causing problems And a lot of things like slide shows that just do not render properly In the mobile development environment So yeah, it's it's you know, there could be a better job done in a lot of these ways And a lot of websites are getting most of their traffic through mobile at this point So there's every reason to kind of make that a good experience for the reader Paul what about on windows phone? I mean because there aren't as many apps Do you find yourself using the browser more often? I was just thinking about yeah What's the percentage? I spent a lot of time in the browser actually on windows phone and uh It you know, it varies. There's a nice kind of reading view feature in in windows phone today and in windows 10 mobile soon That lets you cut through all some of that stuff, but it seems kind of slow to come on It doesn't always come on on some sites Um, so yeah, but I think it's it's not the mobile web that's broken. It's like you guys said it's websites Yeah, I think eric makes some points about some of the drawbacks to the mobile web But mostly I agree with ryan that people just aren't spending as much time for whatever reason Maybe they think apps are more profitable or whatever But they just aren't spending as much time developing for it. I think you need to do both I mean an app could be a dead end You can't expect people to just go in and out of your special experience all the time. Yeah, absolutely agree And then finally alec who seems to maybe work in the industry Had an email about our report of the car hacks we mentioned and the fact That we were saying you shouldn't link the entertainment system to the drive system Because that's how both of these exploits we've talked about over the past couple of days were achieved Alex says don't get me wrong. I agree with you. There is that is the way it used to be done However, by tying all these systems into one module Automakers can spend time making one reliable system and cut weight Chevy in the most recent model year cut 15 pounds in wires alone As for the steering and brakes with park assist systems If you're showing the driver the rear camera the video proximity sensor readings The easiest way to show this info to the driver and get it to the car's computer is again To have it tied together with the system that controls that screen, which is the entertainment system He says is this the most secure solution? No Uh, but it used to be more expensive to fix and and more difficult to maintain So that's probably why they've combined them Yeah, I know. Yeah I can think of as the guy who was hacking planes, you know Yeah, this is the same issue essentially. Are these systems in fact connected to each other? And if they are that's obviously the bad design bad design. Yeah, but I I now understand thanks to alec I now understand why they did it and I'm still and I'm with them I I still don't think they should do it, you know We just have to assume the cost of not being able to take advantage of those efficiencies But it is really tempting to say hey, we can get rid of 15 pounds of weight makes a fuel efficiency go up Makes it easier to program all of these, you know, whiz bang parking assist features. It's it's tempting It's kind of like it's cutting corners in the in the security realm for sure But it does make things easier overall. So you have to kind of do that, you know Cost-benefit analysis of of of that kind of thing, you know Is it going to cost more money down the line if if there are horrible security flaws in the in the car A security system or in the car entertainment system or anything else connected to the internet? Um, yeah, it's it's it's an interesting, you know seesaw there Scale keep them separated as they say Uh, well that is it for this episode of daily tech news show paul thorot my friend A pleasure having you on thank you so much for spending some time with us and talking windows 10 Very good to see you and very nice to meet you Veronica. Thank you. Yeah, you too Uh, go to thorot.com if you haven't already bookmarked at thurrrot.com Of course, listen to windows weekly watch windows weekly. What the tech on the guys from queens network as well Obviously when I ask you what's coming up, I know the answer. It's windows 10 coverage But anything in particular you want to point people towards? Well, I mean, I'm you know, I'll be writing about it on the site. I've got a book coming out about windows 10 I should have some news about that next week Um, that's I mean, unfortunately, I'm going away. It's kind of the worst Possible time for this, but um, I'll be working from You know from vacation. I guess so thanks a lot satcha nagdala Didn't you sync this up with paul's vacation schedule come on originally it was originally october I know How dare they? Uh, well a lot of people won't be getting their update till october. So in a way perfect Also twitter.com slash thrott thurr r o t t Two rs two t's right. That's right. Yeah, that's the way to spell a last name. It's the proper way That's the only way I think Uh, unless you're veronica bell mod, of course, uh, host of sord and laser host of dear veronica Which I was lucky enough to be on answering a question this week. That was really fun. Thanks for letting me on Of course. Yeah, we just uh publish a show on itunes now So if you're not a fan of of viewing on the web, you can download the episode every week to search for dear veronica Or maybe we'll drop the the link in the show notes or in the chat room. Um, but yeah, I'm really excited about that Thank you so much tom for being on the show. We got patrick norton up next week answering a question about home automation Excellent. Go check it out in gadget.com slash dear dash veronica Uh, and of course this show only happens if you wanted to if you want to continue to let it happen Continue your support on patreon or start your support on patreon at patreon.com slash ace detect There are other ways to express your support of the show as well You can find all of those at daily tech news show dot com slash support We have a store. 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Thank you We've got some uh title suggestions at showbot.tv Windows 10 9 8 That's okay. Um Windows 10. Oh geez Double pain windows. It's funny. Yeah Windows 10 forward It's a star track joke Esports seems like it Yes Put your hands up. It was really about the legitimacy of esports. It was more about the It's you're missing the joke To 10 or not to 10 Yerber All right, I'm uh, I'm levelating so go to showbot.tv and cast your vote Download the Yerber app Yerber Yerber What am I? It's called like When you said that because that's how they pronounce it there. I believe that must be it Obviously Yvronica is a master of accents Don't open that windows It was dueling podcast recordings happening in my house right now Ryan's doing mvp with peter in the next row. Oh, yeah Yeah Nice scheduling ryan and peter. Well, these are not eating up my bandwidth because they're both there in person So, okay, that's true. They're not doing a live stream. Nope. That's better Yeah, don't judge an os by its stick Did you hear my very quiet? That's what she said in the background. No, I missed that It's very quiet. I don't know if anyone heard I might want to go with that one. Don't judge an os by its stick That's kind of funny Either of you have a favorite of these Oh, I voted but I'm not gonna say for which ones Don't know me nepotastic You can you can vote for more than one title you can only vote for an individual title once Yes, I know I know that No, I know you know that I'm You see Veronica you see this is how it works around here guys I'm Partial to don't judge an os by its stick. Yeah, that's pretty funny. I mean, I think that's the best sounding one in the top Top three right now. I know it's not as good for seo It'll keep people listening because it's not clear what that even means Yes, that's always good policy. We have to assume that this is explained right Windows 10 forward. I like that one. I like star you like the star you like the star trek to it I saw the most star trek you car yesterday on the highway It had the biggest Star trek insignia and it had a big thing that said star trek on the back In case you didn't understand what the yeah, but like the insignia was like the Link that the height of the back window. It was huge. Wow, and you really made them that big Be funny pretty funny I think I'm gonna do sorden laser real fast so I can go take like a quick nap because I'm so You're gonna do sorden laser No, well, we have sorden laser. Yeah, we not at four at five. Yeah four um So I'm gonna do the the things I need to get in the rundown. Oh, you're not gonna do the episode I'm gonna do the episode alone I don't mind I'll just think it'd be better that way like from a quality stamp. I'll just do my parts and send them to you You fill in the gaps. There we go. I'll just say yeah, but you have to match the gaps with what I leave I'm not gonna edit this so you have to like I'm just gonna be quiet for a while You just fill in that space and then export the final final Yeah, and if you start one of your bits with a laugh, I have to say something funny You just yeah, you're right. I'll just start cracking up You have to think of a good enough joke to make me laugh that hard puns work. I'll accept puns I know you will that's one of the reasons that I'm still friends with you I like how you wouldn't you wouldn't be otherwise Like I gave up on that. It's actually the other way around. It's one of the reasons you can tolerate listening to me talk So yeah, paul if you have time like don't feel pressured if you do not have time to to record a response for dear veronica I totally understand Um, but if you do like that would be amazing. So I'll I'll email you about it. Okay I just need need to know like Today right now. No, I can do it. I can do it. Okay, great Actually, um, I should say tom By paul at therat.com is actually like a gmail address. Okay. It is my primary account now, okay So I was just um, I you have therat at gmail in your address book. I think which was yeah, it kind of forwards, but I I I almost forgot to let's like switch over to it for this, you know in the browser. So If you could Yeah, I have it. I have that one also. Okay. Yeah, I just need to delete that one Yeah, I'd like to pretend it never existed, but I'm stuck with it Got it. So it's the one that just it has paul. Yeah, paul out. All right. Yeah Cool. All right Well, cool. Well, yeah Thanks again, man I'm just gonna sit here at upload, but I'm gonna go drink a glass of wine. You should what are you gonna drink? Since it's uh, it is that time here. What uh, what kind of wine do you have? I don't know what we're gonna actually we uh, can I come up with the name of this? I cannot um, but last time we were out in san francisco area We went up to sonoma and we went to a couple places. We always go like Sebastiani and bart park and whatever, but The heck is the name of this place? We went to a place we'd never gone before they they built a winery It's a bunker and a hill And it is amazing. Oh, um A bunker on a hill. Is it um, chapalé? No, it begins with an a Not opus Shoot, I'm so sorry. Yeah, the only hill one that I go to that I've been to is chapalé I feel like I've been there and I don't it's amazing and this is our last bottle. So I have to To figure that out, but it's basically a wine club join the wine club. Yeah, which I can do now So up until through january, I couldn't because we live in massachusetts and we have puritanical laws here But it was just expired home of the puritan. Yeah, I worked at a liquor store in boston for three years I'll see you understand the mob run business. That is a wine distribution in massachusetts. Yeah Indeed um Yeah, I don't miss that part. I don't miss having to drive up to new hampshire on sunday in case we Oh my gosh, I remember the first time I was staying with my friend in provincetown She was working there like for a summer job and I went to visit her Practically I had to drive all the way down and all the way up all the way down the arm And so we went up to new england on the weekend and when the first time I crossed the border in new hampshire It was like in every other state that I've seen it's fireworks, but here it was liquor for there So now we can buy on sunday now that changed I was going to say did all those new hampshire border liquor stores go out of business No, well the state run the big ones on the highway state run. So no and they say they have no taxes so there's still some advantages to it but um The what started it was the towns on the edge of the state because they were saying well, you know Two minutes from here. There's a liquor store that's open on sunday. We're not open on sunday And then of course they allowed it on the border uh towns The next town's over complained and you know, you kind of see all that But we still it's funny in massachusetts. We still have some of that left. So Um, I I'm going to get the number wrong But let's say that any given store chain can only sell alcohol in five locations so if you're something huge like stop and shop or Whole foods or whatever. Oh, you're the first person to say stop and shop at me in so long I called safeway stop and shop for a decade and everyone's like what is stop and shop and i'm like, oh It's time to stop and shop regional chain, you know, yes So the stop and shop that's in denim where I live does not sell alcohol, you know, the whole foods does thankfully but um They have to pick their top five locations, huh? Yeah, well, they I'm sure they pick it by you know volume of sales or whatever. Yeah, yeah My mind was wrong seeing a A supermarket that's sold alcohol for the first time. Yes. I cannot believe it. I was like, oh, you can buy booze at this I know how How modern and forward thinking, you know, we're thinking exactly. I don't have to go to a packy to buy I know exactly what you guys are talking about because I grew up in a dry town And they they eventually changed the law long after I had moved away And then the first time I went back and there was beer in the kroger. I was like I was taking pictures with my phone I was like, this is amazing And we had a package liquor store on the edge of town. That's where you had to go to buy your your beer Yeah, we go on packy runs as we say packy runs. Mm-hmm. Stop of the packy Yeah, I did I worked at clarendon wine and coply coply square Plaza for three years doing all the deliveries and working the register and Helping people pick out wine, which to me was like I didn't know That one looks like a pretty label. I like there's a cartoon cat on this one Yeah Oh, that's funny that was really good at that It's probably I can't think of the name of this wine place. I wish I could picture it actually like it's I probably went there with my sister Hold on one second. I'm gonna go get the bottle. Okay. Okay fun I have finally got us uploaded. Okay, so I There we go Roger still back on ellie duty ellie belly Oh ellie Will you ever learn? Hey, uh anybody anybody like scott sigler out there We're gonna do a special live stream google hangout with him It's sort of the last stop on his book tour is the internet So join us on uh sword and lasers hang out on friday right after current gig so about 515 Pacific time 815 eastern time Uh and come up with some questions for scott I'll send I'll put the link to the hangout in the chat room Or you can go to sort laser dot com or good reads Yeah, or you can go to sort laser. Yeah, we should put that on the blog. I'll put that on the blog We'll put in the show notes for today's episode too. I guess. Yeah Did you find it paul? I didn't I just ran out there and it's gone. My wife must have moved it to the solar No Moved it to the cellar a I'm gonna email it to you both All right, it's killing me that I cannot think of this. That's fair I'm sorry. We're gonna take off now as I mentioned sword and laser Uh, we'll come up later today. So stay tuned for that talk to you later folks folks. Bye