 You're still on to Plus TV and the program is The Breakfast and we're glad to know that you're still there. Right now we want to look at what is happening in River State and how it affects the entire democracy so to speak. Fubara, that is the governor of River State, promises implementation of presidential peace pact. On the one hand, he's saying that it is not at his own detriment if he implements this. On the other hand, his party where he was voted on the platform of which he was voted into power and some elders in his state are against it and some of them have even gone to court. So we're going to be looking at this with Dr. Ibrahim Oshinowo, member APC presidential campaign council 2014-2019 and 2023. Good morning and welcome to the program, Dr. Oshinowo. Good morning, my top program, good morning, ladies and gentlemen. In some ways I still feel like we are doing the same thing that River State did, inviting the president who is APC to talk about the matter which is happening in a state that is PDP, I don't know. But let us have your perspective of what is really going on in River State, first of all. Good morning once again, there's nothing new going on, it's just that the president as a father of the nation is taking, out of his busy schedule, taking time to meddle in the process. So, you know, three weeks between a gold fact and a gold song, a little gold song. However, both of them are not members of APC, they did not expect a very special campaign, they are not members of a party and we believe that APC has a lot on our table to sort, economic wise, educational health, who made a lot of promises to Nigeria. So, most of us in the inner capitals of the party has confirmed to the president to be the president. That is the best student possible on our own problems by providing for materials, better schools, better primary care system, solving the issue around the oil and gas sector. Economy is in shambles, most of our area resources are stolen. So, a lot on our table, you know, that thing creates in half of his busy schedule looking at what is going on in the river state or not going on, whether it's prostitution or not prostitution or not. That's when they have a problem. The year is morning, they are going into question for a couple of days and Nigeria and I expect that they are looking, you know, to see a better change, you know. Yes, how do you think? I don't want to give more credit to them. I don't want to give more credit to one of them actually. I don't want to be clear on the word, it's excellence. You're talking about change coming, Nigeria working, Nigeria becoming better than it was. How will Nigeria get to that point you're talking if, like you said, we should not even consider whether something is constitutional or unconstitutional. How do you make a country work when you begin to do things that are unconstitutional? Is that not anarchy? The question is who is doing what is unconstitutional? Is it the Godfather or the Godson? Is it Wikipedia or is it excellence? Who is doing what is unconstitutional? Because I've listened to so many chains of opinions and sometimes I just laugh and walk away. Who is doing what is unconstitutional? I like that and make it meaningful. Who is doing what is unconstitutional? Then we can start from there. I just took you by your words because you said what we should concern ourselves with is not whether the thing is constitutional or unconstitutional. That gave an idea that possibly you are sanctioning things that are unconstitutional as long as it works for whoever is involved. It's okay. That's why I wanted to clear the air. Because if you say that generally... I'm just picking from your words. From other opinions that you guys do press. I've been counting for a while. I'm just picking that somebody unconstitutional, somebody non-constitutional, somebody is called to his name. I'm just picking from your hope. I don't have an opinion. Except if you are half of my opinion and it has to be direct to... There has to be a direction on who you want me to discuss. You have just picked from your words. I don't really have an opinion. Okay. So what is your opinion of the unconstitutional thing? Okay. So what is your opinion of this peace pact? I'm sorry you've read everything. It's like an eight-point agenda, basically. Naming everything that should be done. Starting with all matters instituted and the courts by the governor of river states, Sir Fubara and his team in respect of the political crisis in river states shall be immediately withdrawn or impeachment proceedings initiated against the governor of river states by the river state House of Assembly should be dropped immediately. The leadership of the river state House of Assembly as led by Honorable Martin Amai Willis should be recognized alongside the 27 members who resigned from PDP so they have moved out of PDP as of when this was being made. But then they're saying they should still... They're the ones that would still be recognized. So what is your take? What is your own opinion? I'm asking you directly now. What is your own opinion about this whole peace pact that was drafted for Sir Fubara to sign? Unfortunately, the so-called peace agreement with them have not taken time to go through. I said if you can throw them or... Okay, one of them that you just read now is tied to what you said about a constitution or no constitution. They said the leadership of the river state House of Assembly as the third point as led by right Honorable Martin Amai Willis shall be recognized alongside the 27 members who resigned from the PDP. First of all, the constitutional things inside there is that you resigned from one party to the other. The constitution recognized that you should leave your position, which means that they shouldn't even be members of the state House of Assembly. It should be vacant. Secondly, it was said that the Amai Willis led faction should be recognized and then he will be recognized as the speaker of the House. When already the courts, which are constitutional, have pronounced somebody else here, Martin say here or here or so. Edison. The Edison are here. Yes. To be the rightfully recognized by law to be the leader of the House of Assembly or the speaker of the House of Assembly. So if these things are implemented, it will mean that what the court has pronounced will be jettisoned and something else will be done. So those are some of the... And then that even affects the credibility of the courts as well. Yeah. So what we've said, what is your opinion on that? Quickly, let me take you down. I don't want to waste much time. Right. On this, what I would describe as a part of the fight between the beer cellar and the beer drinker. That's what I've built up both of them. They are both of serious elements. Both the minister, who has the longest function as the exiting minister to solve issues, transport, rail, land and issue, power, water. Rather, he's focusing on his board, the beer drinker. Who doesn't know the function? Who has not taken time amid the self-sufficiency of the footballer to study the functions of the office of Cognom? The functions committed to him by the Constitution, 1999 Constitutionists have made it. Who in the future should realize that he is a Cognom? There is a unlimited power of a Cognom and there is a limited power of a Cognom and a downstairs of a presidential power. I should argue that I do. We will not impose everything on God of football. However, the university is the strategic area that requires any right-thinking president who is trying to partner the economic impact of this country to allow issues to escalate in the university. It's clear that I judge the other state. Now, what do you wear? A name and you will enforce your second year in law enforcement in the university. Know that the president cannot change, segregate anything in the Constitution. If he or she believes that the law court has recognized either one of them as an extremist speaker and said to one of them, there is no issue, there is no presidential intervention that can solve that request. However, I'm not sure that one of the speakers is part of their dealings. I'm not sure PDP International is part of their so-called... That's what I'm describing as their follow-up. So both of the PDP have the right to challenge the speaker whom you said and recognized by the court who has ignited the section 109 the client they have... On serious... Let me use that. On serious jobless elected as an assembly member into office. Whom they have declared they have seized their capacity. They cannot... The speaker who is recognized can go on with his shoes irrespective of their agreements with Subah, with Mr. President. So this is a set-up constitutional issue. The lay down, the guidelines to change the constitution is very clear. The shadow... I can't remember now who is clear. The National Assembly would take either executive or inner view. Once it's approved by the tutorial of what National Assembly will be sent down to the state houses of assembly, then to 23 out of them will be considered a change. As I said, the president cannot want his shoes as being ignited. Subah cannot enjoy it because the PDP will initiate his own shoes. And however, we cannot force those guys to come back to PDP if they come back to APC. That is fine for us. But we will not allow their boss to bring their lawlessness for PDP to APC. That will not happen. How do you use the jumping up and down in the foundation member of PDP? It's also wasting its time. I know Ashwaju is just tolerating them for some time. We will not allow him to just come from nowhere and champion your mandate and your mandate we shall stand. We don't take that here. We only have one boss in APC. This is Ashwaju. We don't have two bosses. We don't challenge our boss to PDP challenging criminal party. We don't take that. We don't take all those nonsense we case to it. We should take it back to PDP and the rest of them for acting themselves making virtues and doing all sort of disrespectful things to their elder. We will not accept it in APC. We will not accept it here. We will not accept all those nonsense. All those things he's doing is a part of PDP where they can slap their boss. They can be arrogant to their boss and positive to them. On love affairs number fours talk somewhere. We will not accept that. We will not advise any one of them to stop fighting. If the governor who has refused to start his future who is future as a governor? The guy is 1975. The guy is 1975. They are eduates. He should see how they do his operation. And besides let's go to even discuss few parts of their shady transactions between UK and Northern Fubanah. If you could come up during their internal election Fubanah was about to be tamed by the ESCC because he started as the gold medal director of finance because he's a good lawyer boy he was promoted to Alexandria of the state and he had there's nobody I'm saying this look at your challenge I'm saying the more crucial personality in the gold medals DLDFA in the finance gold medals and in Alexandria any cobalt living in Fubanah and UK. So a lot of transactions between them I'm challenging both of them a lot of work of transactions between both of them because the good boy was compensated was in cost of university so we're disturbing ourselves with both of them. My UK is clean and it's elders taking river states force channeling it to best. Investigate all the DLDFA in the gold medals that's happening like that so most of them has pretty speciality from funding from project allocation and I like copper and mongus like myself the mongus one has a very bad vinyl one would like to eat his favorite food is cobra so if you take time to read the history of mongus and cobra snake cobra so that's not both of them so we don't want to waste time all these diverse people wasting their money going to call to challenger challenge week take Fubanah who is your godmom who does not know what to do take him to court if the legitimate speaker allows his godmom of Fubanah to throw him under the bus that is a cup of tea in PPP their party allow Fubanah to throw them under the trailer that is a cup of tea what we are focusing in our party is to deliver we have two years after this to deliver the goods for people of Nigeria that is our own headache and what we don't want from them actually it should not bring on those PPP we don't do that here we don't allow it all this is a jumping around we just we don't allow it and we don't take it I'm sure he will get your message so I was going to ask what is the impact of all of this on the people of river state especially with their current governor and their former governor having this little ranker I would put it like that and then obviously we are seeing this peace pact that some would say it's not working for someone like governor Fubanah he is saying it's not a death sentence it's not a death sentence it's not as bad as people make it out to be so what do you think is going to be the impact on the people of river state and does this even trickle down to Nigeria as a whole can we now start to see this even in other states because it feels like godfadarism all over again and someone who is the principal is saying oh I am the principal so therefore you are my boy you have to stay as my boy could there be an uprising in other states in Nigeria because what we are talking about is the effect the single points are the people of river state who either they like it or not why is their governor the next four years yes any decisions he makes on the table because the law the government is super power once you become a governor of this country for the second the after you are showing me for the second day then do what they call check factor wait for you and you see that you hit the law with your two hands you have the right to sign unlimited or limited resources of the state to use it with your brain you have the power of persecution you have the power of high hand firing you have the power to give you glory if you don't have unlimited anyway we have advised these governors on project implementation have work to do to see if some contractors are working or not most of them just a few of them who are working and some of us are performing there is an important river state that most of the so called televised projects are called the pipe so called pipe the people of river state suffer in ghost they work on government presence their money will be channeled through top party some of them will sit down in the kitchen and tell them what to do if they have unlimited you will tell them ok pay this more pay this more so is what they have that they will use so they are the ones that will suffer in ghost can you imagine who will work as resources according to river state they are still suffering they have the largest oil well in this country part of their oil well are the world's share some of them needs to be built some of them needs to prosper they have still the largest world bearers whatever the tax are we have to do those in dollars to stop we are just worried we are just worried that if he implements all these it's going to rub off on some other state that's why we are asking because for instance one of the provisions of that agreement was that the budget that has been passed already but it took nice lawmakers should be represented to the people who would decamped and all that so it means he would present the budget twice if he follows through don't do that he knows he can not do that look his excellency is a smart guy who taught him to demolish the house to outlaw to cut and get an introduction for him to present the first budget and put budget seven into a cage and align this to catch the lack of knife if it's not better anybody that thinks that he buys his food is fooling himself he knows what he is doing alright that's what we leave it we will have to drop it at that point we would like to thank you so much I have told you about the story of Long Hoosers and when you want to finish good on the story of Long Hoosers and King Cobra the best pair of Long Hoos is King Cobra and you know the richness of the development of King Cobra it's alright let's say the temporary job we are giving you please wear and allow the people to go and allow the gentleman to go and wake up know your rights now wake up be a man I know you know what you are doing you know what you are doing go back to this drawing board and do it it is 20% that's it thank you so much doctor we know you are a member of the APC presidential campaign you've been a member since 2014 to 2023 but we like the way we like the way you presented your case this morning we hope that people like you and others will fight for our democracy and let people know their place and what their duties are thank you so much for being a part of our program this morning thank you sir thank you for allowing me one second we are talking to Dr. Ibrahim Oshino member of APC presidential campaign right from 2014 to 2023 and we've been talking about what is happening in riverside without or not it's going to be a threat to democracy in this way but today's boxing day go box your packages no unbox your packages as what was given you but if you don't have like we said at the beginning unbox your plans we're 2024 that's right my name is Yama my name is Rumef Paulsen have a wonderful day