 And you talk about these open platforms. You talk about not using Google Hangout for secure communications What do you use or what would you tell activists and organizers to use for secure communications? So there are a lot of different guides that talk about what to do particularly if you're involved in activism or security Or concerned about these kind of things if you go to protests, right? You need to be thinking about this You can search for articles just by writing, you know Edward Snowden and privacy tips But broadly immediately like if you're listening to this right now, and you have an iPhone or you're on Android you can just go to the App Store and you can type in signal messenger, right? This is considered the gold standard right now for security You can send any kind of file back and forth whether it's a PDF, you know, whether it's a video whether it's a picture You don't need to know all these different Identifiers as long as you just got somebody's phone number The downside with this is if you don't want to share your phone number If you don't want people to be able to call you you either got to get a secondary one, right? By registering a burner number through one of these apps that allow you to get those or Use a similar encrypted end-to-end encrypted messenger. We're not talking like Facebook Messenger here We're not talking like Google Allo something like this. There's another one called wire app. That's fairly well regarded now The important thing is remember is just using a messenger Won't keep you safe from everyone what this does is this makes it impossible to target you through what we called mass Surveillance, this is the laziest but most common kind of surveillance That everybody is doing right now your internet service provider is doing it your telecommunications Communications company right your AT&T or Verizon guys doing it you Comcast doing it your governments doing it every other Government in the world ones you don't like ones you don't like or don't trust They're also doing it if you use an end-to-end encrypted messenger, right where the Google or the Facebook doesn't have the keys To unlock your conversations. This is more secure than the default which is sending an SMS or making a phone call