 Hey friends, this is Dan Stephanie Burke and You're watching behind-the-scenes divine intimacy radio We're gonna be talking about spiritual warfare and marriage in a minute Want to tell you about a few things going on? Stephanie and I Will be you know what I'm gonna hold that just I'm gonna hold well actually we We did the five-minute countdown so I could do it, huh? Yeah, okay So Stephanie and I I'll be hosting a divine intimacy and marriage retreat on June 11th through the 13th Say that again 11th through the 13th of June I know sorry farmers branch, Texas and What did you bring any testimonial or anything like that I can get it, okay? So anyway Super powerful. I mean, it's weird to promote your own event, but the The feedback we get from folks when we do surveys is it was like nothing. They've ever experienced It's based on Catholic mystical tradition and the big thing for guys. I can't remember what a Terry say Friend of ours. We were talking about he didn't want to go to the retreat and his wife dragged him there and He loved it in the end. No goofy icebreakers. I don't remember what he said It was something about that guy's hate when they go to things like this He said there was none of it and it was really substantive beginning to end so If you're a devout Catholic and you want to kind of restart kickstart Reinvigorate your marriage find healing It's the response has been really extraordinary And we're what we're trying to do is do it around the country so that people in different regions can get to it So divine intimacy and marriage retreat if you want to sign up go to spiritualdirection.com forward slash events spiritualdirection.com forward slash events Let's see Tuesday, I mean Wednesday, okay, we have a couple of courses That are gonna going to launch here pretty quick introduction to spiritual theology spiritual theology is the theology of the interior life and Dr. Alfonso's pinto is teaching that avala dash institute org if you're a spiritual director Aspiring to be a spiritual director or just someone who really wants to go deeper That's gonna be a great course for you the Aval Institute last thing I'll mention Wisdom of the Saints from St. Athanasius the Saint Bernard of Clairvaux It'll be talked by dr. Ben Wynn. He's fantastic Athanasius Augustine st. Benedict just a beautiful survey of the insights from all of those saints and Avala dash Institute org so check that out. Okay, I think we're ready to start the show Think I think Okay. All right. Yeah, I got everything queued up. Okay good On your mark and get set go This is Dan and Stephanie Burke. Welcome to divine intimacy radio Your radio Your radio haven of wrath Your monastery of the mind where we lift our hearts and minds to heaven even when we're really tired and seek to draw upon the wisdom of the saints and Help to help us navigate the challenges of this life and today God be praised. We're gonna be talking about something that is a very common challenge in marriage and that were you know does a lot of damage and That's spiritual warfare in marriage and there are some secrets to Understanding How to identify it, you know, when is it human when is it psychological when is it spiritual all of that? When is it wounded nests? Yeah. Yeah, so we're gonna go over that today and in particular This whole topic and Stephanie and I've written on it in the past out at spiritualdirection.com you can Find some posts on marriage spirituality that we wrote like a hundred years ago And then we were pressed into it recently again by a nun Assist a mother superior. Yeah, who basically said you are doing a retreat You know, God be praised because you know, I think we probably would have put it off into the next millennia Just because we knew that if we leaned into this area The enemy of our souls was not gonna like it. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Does he not like it, right? You know, it's been a bit like being put into a vice grip Leaning into this area of ministry, but it is so Powerful and we're gonna share some of the testimonies from the retreats that we've done Along with this talk today, but this isn't a promo show. It's it's not a promo show, but it's an understanding of You know how important Marriage spirituality is spiritual work, you know, how to deal with spiritual warfare in your marriage What do you do about it? You know, how do you live through this this crazy attack on your marriage constantly? No matter where you are whether your marriage is great or whether it's Floundering and struggling, you know, the enemy is always at work trying to divide Trying to separate trying to destroy and we need to fight. We need to understand how to fight. That's right That's very well said and so this nun this wonderful Mother Superior what happened is she kept saying to us you need to have a retreat You need to have a marriage retreat You need to have a marriage retreat a lot of it's because she knows this really well She knows our ministry has been following it praying for years is different Yeah, and she just had this sense that if we applied in the Catholic mystical tradition and kind of the way we think about life in the interior life to marriage that it would be super powerful and we're really grateful because frankly she was right and it's not because of us it's because the Catholic mystical tradition the Tradition that deals with the interior life has far more answers than people realize To the things that ale us to our to our sins to our weaknesses to our despair to all the junk and I think that the reason Well, and I honestly it surprised me. I'll be honest with you It's not that I am ever not honest with you, but I was You know, I agreed to do it because she basically Commanded us to do it and then and Stephanie's been really on fire to do it, too And I and I have to say that as an introvert. I don't much care for Speaking that many hours of that much time, you know three days three days and it's pretty draining, but The fruits have been extraordinary and and so what I want to do is talk about just some of the secrets that we share and That really are the reason why I think it's so powerful and one of the ones I'm going to start with that we've talked about and when we did divine into we did Discernment of spirits and marriage But I think it's worth mentioning again for those who hadn't watched those shows, but also expanding a little bit Some of the thoughts in your head or some of the perceptions of what you think your spouse is saying is not true And you shouldn't listen to them So the principle originally emerged out of my course on discernment of spirits Which is some of the thoughts in your head are not yours and you shouldn't listen to them We've sort of shifted that to some of the some of the things that you think you hear from your spouse They're not really saying right there you go I'm saying that you were waiting for me to get it right. That was very patient of you Yeah, and you shouldn't react to it or listen to it talk a little bit about That it's been pretty shocking to watch that happen over and over again. Yeah It's it's interesting. It's it's it's very difficult. So You know so much of Spiritual warfare has to do with our own brokenness Our own woundedness and so in those places the enemy has a handle, you know I liken it to like the handle on a backpack and So, you know that if your kids are wearing a backpack and they've got that Handle on it that if they start to run out ahead of you and there's traffic coming You can grab that handle and you can jerk them back and you can control them And keep them from being safe. Well, the enemy uses that in our woundedness to kind of jerk us around and cause us to hear things that are Tied to our woundedness in order to manipulate us, right? So it goes back to spiritual warfare. We know that all the thoughts in our head are not From God and they're not all ours. And so when they're from the enemy, we should reject them and not listen to them in the same way there are things that our spouses can say that can cause us to Believe that they are condemning us that they are criticizing us that they are Saying negative things about us, whatever it is Or saying things that are connected to our own woundedness or our brokenness that the enemy knows about and He can say, you know She's criticizing you again, you know, she's she thinks you're lazy, you know She thinks you're worthless, you know, she's she's constantly criticizing about finances So she's telling you you don't make enough money, whatever it is, you know, whatever is connected to your own sense of unworthiness or brokenness or or whatever shame Through normal conversation or difficulties or whatever you can hear things that are not of your spouse and Then you react and then it causes division and then you wonder well, why didn't my spouse react that way? Why was there such a strong response when I said, hey Do you mind picking up your underwear off the floor and there's this nuclear explosion in the for the record? I never leave my under on the praise Jesus. That is one thing you never do. I don't have to worry about that Um, but you know, so in other words, there's some sort of nuclear explosion that happens and then you go Why was there such a great reaction to that or or a strong reaction to a mundane question, right? So whenever there's reactions, woundedness That kind of stuff then we know there's something going on there We know there's something deeper some sort of message that the enemy's playing a tape And we can say, hey, you know, I said this this is what happened. What's going on? You know, you know it what's difficult about talking about this is is Depending on where people are they have varying degrees of hope or lack total absence of hope or awareness or lack of awareness, yeah, and and the difficult part is and I was even thinking about this before the show is How do you how do you motivate people to? Want to do what it takes Want to come to the retreat or do what it's read discernment of spirits and marriage by Father Gallagher great book listen to our series Whatever and then it live it. What is what how do how do people get motivated to that? So, you know, you described a scenario that probably plays itself out a Million times a day on the planet earth if not more Between husband and wife and and somebody listening might go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I experienced that It's like in the way they experience it is something seemingly small becomes huge whether it's the husband or the wife But how do you give people hope and I want to give you one post postulate a few things and see what your thoughts are That they can be free is well, how do we give hope people hope they can be free so that they'll be motivated to pursue the remedy One is heaven and hell, you know, I think that in our time and in the church today Even I'm shocked at how often we come to a place and I we attend beautiful churches with wonderful priests I'm not bashing priests, but I am shocked at how often I see a passage where there's a great opportunity for the Communication of the gospel in the sense that hell is real and you can go there and most people go there, which is what Jesus taught But you need to choose the narrow way and heaven is real and heaven is beautiful and there's a way to get there amen, right? so there's similarly, there's a pathway in your marriage that Leads to hell and there's a pathway in your marriage that leads to Really profound goodness and and beauty and you and I are no easy cookies, right? I don't know how to say that but You know, we're both very strong-willed and I would say on a scale of one to ten We're both a ten in terms of one being very passive and ten being pretty pretty for you I wouldn't say aggressive in a destructive way, but certainly You don't get up every day looking for someone else to give you your to-do list, right? Neither do I you know and and generally speaking we get up every day. We give a lot of other people to-do lists, you know so How is it that we have a marriage that I would that is a dream to me? I mean I I Know it's emotional to even think about it, but I I remember as a young man And becoming a Christian and just so desperately wanting to find my beloved The one with whom I could share all of this beautiful thing that's you know happening in my heart the one That I could wrestle through all of what it means to be a follower of Jesus You know all of that and I when I found you I found that even so It was incredibly difficult at the beginning of our marriage and So we're we're coming up on a break maybe after the break you could help I want to try to give people hope that the spiritual warfare and the battles they're facing Can be one and I think we have a testimony not because we're perfect We're far from it, but it's a testimony of two broken people coming together and God really Revealing himself as we seek him in our brokenness For our salvation. Yeah. Yeah, I really can't wait to share this with everybody. So what after the break? Come back and we'll talk about it. Awesome And your mark gets set go. This is Dan and Stephanie Burke. Welcome back to divine intimacy radio your radio haven of rest we're talking about spiritual warfare and the family and How do you get hope really when you know there's that spiritual battle And you and I have worked through it Give you know, where's the light at the end of the tunnel? That's not a train coming right, right, right? Yeah Well, I think the beauty of it and to encourage people to delve into this area because I think the beginning of your question was Why would anybody do this right? You know what do go to a marriage retreat or or lean into marriage healing or read the books or whatever, right? Why would they do any of this? What is it necessary? And I think first and foremost people need to need to understand that as you were talking about we were very strong people We came together in our brokenness This incredible desire to to run towards God together, but just a mess, you know and the thing is is that in marriage those difficulties those Wounded the woundedness in our spouse is there for a purpose and we've been brought together as a for a purpose, you know women have certain a particular woman will have certain virtues and search in certain weaknesses her Spouse her husband will have certain virtues and certain weaknesses often they are opposites and So that when they come together they're complimentary, you know, why does God design it? We tend to and get attracted to somebody who is our opposite and we're drawn together Why because he's seeking perfection? He desires perfection that someone have all the virtues and they were drawn to perfection in him Right to live out their mission in him. Well, you're drawn together as one person You come together with these weaknesses. Well, those weaknesses rub on the other person and the strengths rub on the other person and it's like It's like sharpening steel or sharpens iron iron sharpens iron, right? You come together in those trials those difficulties those those moments of Difficulty in your marriage you rub up one another Against one another in that conflict and it and if you approach it in the right way If you are seeking God's will if you are listening to his voice If you're loving one another and fighting towards one another in Christ He can perfect you and and strengthen you in your virtues within the context of your marriage Why? Because when you are united one another husband and wife fully in who you were called to be in the perfection of Christ It will change your family. It will change the world around you It will change the world it changes the world around you and it's God's design It's why the enemy fights so strong against marriage. He does not want us The enemy of our souls does not want us to succeed. He wants us to fall apart. He wants us to divorce He wants us to to wreck the lives of our children because he knows that if we are together in one in Christ It changes the world. So there's some underlying presuppositions or secrets to some of what you're saying and it's one of it's one of the things we talk about in the marriage retreat is the that our Spouse and I think it came from a question somebody asked even in a in one of the retreats is Is it okay to see my spouse as my cross? Meaning your means to your salvation and That was a powerful thing because I think people were shocked when we both with a smile said Yeah, she's my cross and you said yeah, he's my cross and I think what we The way we come into marriage usually thinking is my spouse is my pillow And my comforter and my supplier of every need right now that can be true You know in part in many ways you have been a beautiful You know softener to the challenges of my own health the challenges of my own weakness the challenges of life But I think if you and I would have come in With this idea that the one I'm marrying is is more so My they're necessary for my salvation not just oh honey, please pray and be a better man That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about your brokenness you Stephanie your brokenness and the experience of that and the painfulness of that in My experience of it is necessary for my salvation and my brokenness and the pain and Purification you experience from that is necessary for your salvation if you have that expectation Then you walk in and you go and you went you go ow. Wow that hurt It's supposed to be this way. I don't like this. I got to figure this out I think a better, you know an analogy that helps is that's what religious life is about cloistered religious life And I don't know how well folks are formed as they come in but I'm John of the Cross is the one who has my head on this is religious life is There that you enter in that you might be purified that you might be broken that you might be restored Over and over because of the other people you're there with yeah Yeah, and I think by the near the the nature of our marriage, right as we come together in marriage that we are Implicated to the extent that we're implicated in the life of the other person that we enter into that vulnerability Into that brokenness and meet the other person where they are and stay within the conversation and not run and hide Not run away not give in not give up, right? But rather this is my beloved my my Dan Burke shaped cross That the Lord has given me and to the extent that I embrace my cross love my cross bear my cross and And and allow his The weight of his brokenness in it in essence to be part of my life and to help him Also by caring him then we can become one in Christ and we can be set free and be perfected If I'm unwilling to do that and to surrender to that brokenness and deal with it Within the context of our marriage then that resistance and that constant. I don't like this This doesn't feel good. You're not making me feel good. You're you're not doing what I want you to do therefore, I'm out of here Kind of thing is the way of the enemy, right? It's not the way of cross of Christ And so that's that's part of the secret of how Why do we want to come to any kind of retreat or any kind of thing like this where we can learn How to be fully who God is calling us to be? In our marriage so that he can perfect us so that he can set the world on fire through us in us around us According to his perfect design just for the folks watching watching the show today at the end We'll hang out for a few minutes to answer live questions. So Hang out with us and we'll do that for you so I think This is extremely powerful. I've experienced it also in community which almost doesn't exist in the catholic church today But it's One of the powers of community and even in apostolate VA Where we have members where we have conflict with other members in the community You can You know the people who get it so to speak and understand community They have no inclination to run or at least if they have the temptation There's no inclinate. They don't give into it. I'm not it's not like oh, I'm leaving. I'm not happy It doesn't work that way Because when you enter into marriage in particular much higher form of community, if you will Because it's a sacred bond and you only get to do it once in terms of be valid validly married Sacrament it's well, this is what I mean. That's my reference is a sacred bond, right? So that you can't you don't just bail on that But I think a broader extension of that is with people you have a little even less of a sacred bond at that level of a sacrament So I think community can help that what else Have you found has been most helpful? in dealing with my let's be honest my brokenness and the You know fighting the instinct to run And and hide or to fight, you know sort of punch back if you will not I've never hit you but you know You know what I mean Well, it's fascinating that you ask this question Because I was actually musing on it Yesterday and today. So, you know, the lord's been working on on this And that is That You have two broken people that come together, right? So you and I come together in this in this bond of holy matrimony It's permanent and it's holy according to god's design. He made marriage, right? So if I come into this relationship and Things are difficult. They're not easy, right? I can I can see the problem as all outside of me Or I can understand That my struggle within the context of that conflict A lot of it has to do with me Right with with how I see god with my relationship with god with my own woundedness Can you give an example? I know it's a little dangerous, but um well, you know I so Well, I've talked about it before I don't know that I want to go down Okay, so um, I didn't give her a look by the way. No, no, he didn't but you know, I I was It was headed a direction and he cut me off in a direction. So that's kind of normal Uh, so so in the In the context of that just a reader's digest version of this because we don't have a lot of time today But you know, you asked me to To write together on marriage spirituality at the very very beginning in fact people can go back On spiritualdirection.com and find those those original things that we wrote together, right? That was very vulnerable for me I was praying about it It was a big deal for me to step out in that area of vulnerability because I didn't feel like I had anything worthy to say But you kept encouraging me. So I did Um, I wrote it with you the day comes up when it's posted And when it gets posted, it's not our version, but it's your version. It's the first draft It was crushing to me, right Didn't help or actually it was purposeful that I was praying the litany of humility for 40 days And it happened to be the 40th day of the litany of humility and the lord's going be humble sephony Be humble be humble and by the way I'm about to hit you with a huge humiliation and it's going to come through the hands of your beloved and it's going to crush you It did it crushed me. I was devastated In that moment and it seems like a small thing It was connected to my pride my own woundedness my own wounds of abandonment all that stuff really quickly and Instead of running away, which is what crossed my mind because the enemy said pack your bags grab your kids leave He doesn't love you. He's rejected everything that you had to say Instead I went towards you And I understood My battle was not with what you did but with the struggle within me At feeling rejected and I came to you in my vulnerability and we've got about 10 seconds That drove us together I mean, obviously we've got a lot of content to talk about which we do for three days at the marriage Retreats that we give you can find out about those at spiritualdirection.com forward slash events And the testimonies of the of the folks that go is really Are quite remarkable. We don't have time to share them today But we're seeing huge breakthroughs in marriage And we'd invite you to check that out And join us and and look at where the latest one's going to be And we're out of time Okay So until next time may the god of peace make you perfect in holiness May he preserve you whole and entire spirit soul and body Irreproachable at the coming of our lord jesus christ amen And so we want to invite anybody that's still online that's listening to us That hang out for a minute to hang out for a minute and if they have any questions We'd love to do it. We want to remind you that we are going to be In farmers branch texas doing a marriage retreat Um, and those are the dates are where'd that go up here? Oh Uh, I can't see him from right, uh, let's see maybe It's here Uh, just june 11th through the 13th in farmers branch texas branch. Yeah, which is outside of dallas Yeah, um easy to get to kind of central in the country, but we'd love to see you And we promise no No goofy exercises no icebreakers. No kumbaya. No kumbaya no talking, you know about silly goofy stuff Yeah, uh, we won't make you do any dumb exercises or or whatever. It's only deep stuff. It is deep it's deep water and From the testimonies that we've received It's life changing otherwise We would not be investing in three days Of time in order to do it if we didn't see the fruit. It's a lot of work But it's but it's awesome. Let's do this. So while we're queuing up a few questions. Sure. Why don't you read one testimony? Sure And uh, jordan, are we getting any questions in yet? We'll see if you have questions about how to Uh deal with spirits warfare and marriage or how to deal with uh, just a holy marriage make sure you type those in But either way, we'll give you a go ahead. Okay. So here's some of the testimonials from uh, the last marriage retreat that we did and So she says At first my husband was a little worried about doing a marriage retreat But we came away with a deeper understanding of our marriage and how god works within it No matter where you are in your relationship We recommend recommend it and I think that's important because Some of the folks said well, you know, my marriage isn't in trouble. Why would I do a marriage retreat? You know, or So it's not for it's for those whose marriages are in trouble It's for those marriages that are kind of doing okay And those are and it's also for those that are incredible and they want to take it to the next level So this this what we offer here that we share with you Is uh, it's for everybody. It's uniquely suitable mainly because it's rooted in the catholic mystical tradition Yeah, it runs the spectrum of You know the beginning stages of what it means to be healthy up to what does it mean to really grow spiritually together in a deep way Okay, okay, and so one of the things that That's also powerful is that I don't know where I was going with that. Anyway, okay, so then one more test. So one more testimony The divine intimacy retreat for married couples was a positive enlightening and catholic experience in every respect Um, Dan and Stephanie presented the tools for divine intimacy that not only they have learned But have lived as well their personal testimonies and the wealth of spiritual treasures Shared parallel the exact transformation that is possible in married life Regardless of the state of your married life going into the retreat. You will come out of it transformed for the better What a blessing don't pass it up. So yeah Okay, go ahead Hello, Dan. Can you let us know if a man's prayer challenges would differ from a woman? That's a pretty interesting question Fascinating question. I think so When you look at theology the body and the design of male and female And how it is that we relate to god women are much more receptive. I think that it's easier for women To understand how to yield to god And Stephanie might be able to speak to that for men We can get caught in the more active forms of prayer easily I think in terms of because work we're seeking to always to conquer into advance And so and and also we're not as comfortable with Vulnerability as women are and at least in terms of design. I'm not saying every woman is vulnerable, but so for men learning vulnerability learning receptivity Is uh, those are hard things and for women. It's easier. Go ahead step. Yeah, I I think um in order to try to Mitigate some of that if you're still if you're starting as a couple in prayer One of the greatest things you can do is to tap into the man's natural desire to kind of conquer and lead And allow him to lead. Yeah, and so um, we talk about that in the marriage retreat on on what that looks like in prayer that you can do that in liturgy of the hours and let And uh have the man lead prayer and the woman respond and it gives him a sense of doing something accomplishing something that he can check off a list that he's gone hunting. He's killed it, right? And uh, and he's brought it home. Yeah, and so in that that can help get a comfort with it now The vulnerability in marriage will I mean in prayer will happen in time because the lord Wills it he will begin to heal through vocal prayer through a commitment to daily prayer Daily mental prayer daily mental prayer Um through the rosary as a couple has is hugely transformative those kind of things can really help a couple grow in prayer Good good Sure one more two more maybe who knows? How do you recommend being vulnerable with your spouse when you have a fear they will hurt you or use that against you So here's the deal uh, you're when you're vulnerable with your spouse. They're going to hurt you and use it against you So the first thing you need to do is get over the is just deal with the You're looking at me a little funny, but it's back to the expectation Being vulnerable is painful. Jesus was vulnerable when he got crucified But that shouldn't dissuade us from it because we need it So how do you deal with the inevitability of being wounded? Yeah By your spouse when you're vulnerable and that is I think You've got to work on it in little increments at a time And you've got to you've got to teach one another in a sense And maybe the woman can teach the man more of this in a subtle way Of uh, like reading a book together for instance And just talking together about the content is a way that a man can really handle well the vulnerability because you're speaking in terms of ideas And then that can lead to a deeper kind of vulnerability But one you got the fact is you will be wounded when you're vulnerable, but that's important for your salvation So I know you reacted a bit to what I said Yeah, why maybe talk about why well, I mean it just has so many layers Right. Yeah part of that is an understanding of why I'm why am I afraid of being wounded? Why am I afraid of being vulnerable because there's a fear behind that And that fear is not of god, right that fear is not of god and it's come from Some sort of past or whatever where I was vulnerable when I was you know 13 and x happened to me, right And and so self-awareness is important. Why am I afraid to be vulnerable with my spouse? What's going on here? Is there something in our history or in my history that causes me to be afraid to be vulnerable? That's one thing to check into and then secondly, you know In our marriage retreat we talk about How can a man make a woman Feel comfortable being vulnerable, right? And how can a woman help a man feel? Comfortable being vulnerable vice versa, right safe, right? Better word. Yeah safe And and so that's part of the marriage bond That's part of the healing and the perfection that can and should and needs to happen in a marriage So that you can truly walk one another Because in the end, you know, it's it's my job to get my husband to heaven And his job to get me to heaven and if we can't stay united and and help one another when each other falls back Holding on to one another and going towards christ together in that vulnerability Then we're going to lose hold of one another, right? It's only in that vulnerability that we can truly have authentic Lasting love and so it's important to learn how to do that and to figure out Is that because of my woundedness? Or is that because of from my past or is it because of woundedness within the relationship and either one needs Needs work, right? There's a couple of resources. I think are exemplary in this area You were listening to bobshoots This morning love the jp2 healing center is they do phenomenal Work and they did put out a bobshoots and dr. Jake kim. They're both doctors Put out a podcast and I don't know if there's new podcasts coming But they do do a great job and it's called Restoring the glory. Yeah, and so it's got a few Episodes on there. It's just on woundedness on our brokenness and and it just plays into it It's just so helpful. So if you're working on your own woundedness They have great resources. The other one's father william watson the What's the 40 40 40 40 weeks is a great book to dig in and try to figure out You know where where you are and where you need to be healed and all of that We'll answer one more question. Great question so far Hailey asks When your spouse is far away and you have to carry that responsibility and cross people love to give you advice on how to fix What's a good way to respond to that? You know, I think what you got to just do, you know, what they're trying to do Hailey, you know this already is love you and just say thank you so much. Please pray for me Yeah, that's it. Thank you so much. Please pray for me and it is the most important thing It's a huge cross. I mean we spent a large part of our marriage At the beginning at the beginning that you were living up in connecticut three weeks of every month Yeah, a couple years first when we're first married. Yeah, and we had combined our family So we were you know, we were the uh, what do you call it the brady breath? um, I had inherited I had embraced Your eldest son who is now our eldest son Jordan was now an awesome human being but boy, was he not then right so back then. Oh my goodness So I had that cross I had the others were perfect, you know But they were younger and they were you know, they were a little bit more under my control And so I'm trying to keep peace in the home and hope that jordan doesn't get take up get on his bike and Run away somewhere and I couldn't find him So he had that going on and then my husband's in connecticut You know and working to save the register and provide for our family, right? And I was at catholic or I was a school principal in the secular system That was insane, you know Now did I have people that wanted to say oh, you should just do acts and you should do why and you know Your husband needs to consider to leave his job and come and be home where he can help you or whatever Right, of course. Everybody has opinions Um, and I think you know your response is perfect. It's like, you know, thank you. Please pray for me Yeah, and I appreciate so much that that you want to love and help me in this And I will certainly take that to prayer. Please keep praying for us. Yeah, that's the that's the biggest thing Uh, thanks to ewtn. Just want to do a shout out to ewtn for Allowing us to broadcast this show on the radio and of course live streaming On ewtn's facebook page We're grateful for them. Please support them A lot of the books that we mentioned you should go to ewtn's religious Religious catalog. Oh, we had another comment. I had no guys. No idea. You are a blended family. Yes broken Broken blended broken and blended and blessed. We should have a three broken That's not bad. I like it broken blended and blessed. Maybe she just gave us Right the title of something but um, yeah, that's thank you No, I thought we had talked about that some so that's another thing that I want to say about these marriage retreats that there is Literally, I think there's pretty much nothing anybody can bring to the table that we have that we have not seen done Her yeah experienced or dealt with right no shame. No shame here. No nothing, you know, so if you are Anyway, wherever you are on the spectrum in your marriage There's probably I know there's something here for you because it's just so powerful So we just want to remind you to head out on to spiritual direction.com forward slash events If you can join us, especially in person at the farmers branch event A divine intimacy and marriage retreat on june 11th and 13th and don't worry if you can't make it to this one There'll be others Sign up for the emails on spiritual direction.com so that you don't miss any of our upcoming Events and check it out. Amen. All right. Okay. God bless you all. Take care. Bye