 Oh my god, where are we going? Do we need a toothbrush? We're going to a place no one should have to go. And that is to discuss how things do or do not make sense in this film. They do not. Five hours for the 35 minutes, what's going to be the remaining amount? I do not know. You're out there. Huh? I was going to say there's a connecting piece between the two biggest fuckups in the movie, and we're at that point so this part should go a little quicker, right? Yeah, I should never guess things will go quick. I'm always wrong. Every time. Wrong. Wrong. Wrongus. Incorrect. Incorrecto. Alright. That, that, that. Done though. What should we talk about for like 10 minutes before we get on to the topic? Hmm. To all those people out there who are watching this or hear about this later out of context on Twitter, we do hate this movie, but if you have all of the answers that make it all come together and make sense, then let us know. Absolutely. I would actually all make sense and it all totally works and tell us how it's all fine because sometimes there was a neat visual, so we don't have to talk about the story anymore. It does range from like people saying like, no, it makes sense because you have to think about blah, blah, blah, all people just being like, it's not supposed to make sense. Oh, that's always a good one. It's supposed to make sense. Oh, okay. So I guess we're done. People never say that about good movies I've noticed. I think it would just be, be honest. You're not actually going to say that to like the people who make these things, right? You're not going to say, yeah, what you make is stupid. I don't mean it was stupid, but I mean, it's not supposed to be smart. Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant. They're never going to say that. They'll say that it's amazing. Your positions change depending on who you're talking to, which is really annoying. I like how you make your movie not make sense. Like what? Yeah, like all the things. It's crazy, but it doesn't make sense, right? It doesn't? Yeah, like, I don't really know that that's something that anybody would, whatever. I find it kind of funny that it took Reach City on Planet Reach. You know what? Maybe Halo is like a pretty bad show. Oh, where were you since episode one? Yeah. Well, I guess I'm at least glad that we're all in agreement now, but like the show, and you didn't need to like have all of the stuff that's happened. I like how the episodes that have turned everyone off the show, the ones we haven't even seen yet, and we're already very turned off of the show. I mean, the amount of, there are so little, there are so little about that show to compliment up until where we're at, which is episode six. It's, it is like, it's so bad. I don't know what anybody could see in it. A value. Like it's, it's got nothing to offer. It's like, it really does happen to offer. Well, I agree, Joe has had an arc on this show. Yeah, no, I know. Did he think he was good at the beginning? No, I said he's had that arc of asking people, what do they value about this? What is it that they like? What do they think is well written and stuff? What guy? Which, um, that's funny. Yeah. Cause I, I guess it's, the problem is that the conversation around the show is just very much encumbered by comparisons to the games. And I think that's led a lot of people to a place without, like it's almost like you haven't like yet fully realized it's like, it's not just that it's different from the game. Like it's terrible as its own thing. Yeah. Um, like it's really deficient and a lot of just standard storytelling things. I mean, as far as I can tell, the biggest issues with this show is like chain of command. What's that? Like what is the military in terms of who answers to who? What are you? What, what are you allowed to do? What are you not allowed to do? Like who's responsible for what? Who talks to who? That's like one of the biggest issues with that show. Yeah. It's actually a really big deal. Well, yeah, of course it's a bit. This is how things get done. This is what allows or prevents actions from being taken. It's very important. And the show thinks it has a lot of intelligent things to say, but every question asked, it has a really shallow answer to, which is something that I find pretty annoying considering that the games don't even ask a lot of these questions and still provide something that's more interesting to think about. And especially if you like go into the books of the, at least the older books is like a lot of stuff that's interesting to think about that the show has decided to change and in changing has made it much shallower. But whatever, it's bad. Well, the only other thing was worth showing is that we got some artwork between this and the previous stream about this movie that felt suitable to pop them on as the Lycans meme in the masses just about to drill Dr. Strange mom. You even got Chad in there. Look at him go. Look at him there. I think the live art chain in discord and then I guess Jeremy R Moreno or Moreno is the name the artist goes by, but I very much like everyone's expression. I like this a lot. This is really neat. I like it. This is a wonderful little handle on your headset there for anyone to just grab you up. Yeah, it's fantastic. It's really handy. No one said why it's holding a pig. It's probably because I said I like pigs. Look at him. I like I'm holding a gun probably because I said I like guns. I'm holding cookie crisp probably because I like cookie crisp. Well, I'm holding nothing because I'm empty inside. I hate women. I think it's like Louis wasn't cool, but the sight Louis like off is like you wearing it on your head. True. I even got my tentacles in there. Oh, nice. Yeah, you'll see us sporting them for this whole stream. Well, discuss. Wonderful film. I've seen some people be like talk about halo already. And it's like it's still another episode to go. Oh, there's not going to be next week. Yeah, it's not done yet. And I'm sure that it's going to be it's going to be really fun to see the ending that people are suspecting from that show and how it stems from Master Chief's actions. I'm really looking forward to just the continued obliteration of a character. I didn't think you could assassinate. They found a way. They always feel his own skin off by the end because that's the only thing he hasn't taken off yet. I'm honestly, I'm so I'm so thankful that he's really wearing the armor because any time I see him in full armor, I get like a little bit sad. It's just like, man. Yeah, keep it off. So I don't associate you with the real Master Chief. It's it's just, I don't know, whatever he's not wearing it. I can sort of pretend that this isn't an adaptation of halo. And yet. I believe that like the way that the next week. Will that one be a single E5? I do. No, it won't. It won't. Wow. Spoilers. It might be. I don't know. I can see it going both ways because I really hate this show a lot. It's it really upsets me. It upsets me more than this. The Wanda movie we're watching now, it really makes me upset. It definitely makes me upset. I like halo. So, yeah, it makes me more upset than this because I, you know, I wasn't even expecting much from the show, like even when it existed, but it's it's not fun. And it's it's not that it doesn't exist though. Uncharted was because I really like Uncharted 2, but like that movie, that movie is bad, but like it's not really offensive. It's it's sort of just like a really generic action film that I don't really think takes full advantage of the IP that it is. But I mean, it's it's, you know, it's whatever. I was going to say, I'm reversed to you guys on this one. And I imagine Gary's the same where it's like, I recognize your fallen IP and I'm so sorry for that, though this pisses me off way more. What they did. What they did a Doctor Strange. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's I it's it all varies, right? Yeah, it's on like what's matters to you. And, you know, I mean, the emcee at this point, like it's kind of, I don't know, I don't have that much investment in it anymore. Oh, no. I'm just back over there. I'm going to quote that back to you when you see the 11th under and Guardians 3. Oh, true. You know that phrase, the final male in the coffin. I think that it's, it's appropriate because every nail is the final nail as long as you stop, right? They keep putting in more nails. They keep putting in more nails. So that's why we could say it's the final nail in the coffin over and over and over again. Because tentatively, yes, it's the final nail. Oh God, they made another one. Yes, that's the final nail. And start putting nails in the middle of the coffin. Just go into the corpse. Into the corpse. Yeah. Eventually you're going to stop putting smaller nails just to fill in the tiny gaps in between. Pull the big deal. Yeah. That's the way to do it. You guys ready for the sharing? Oh, yeah. What was that? I will say to, because we're talking about Halo in this movie is that whereas I feel Halo has an outright contempt and hatred for its source content. I think this movie, the Doctor Strange movie, it's more that just, they're just terrible and they don't even, I don't know. I don't get the same kind of vibe. I mean, this is what I would like. I don't know. I think there's a little bit of contempt in the Illuminati scenes. I would totally agree that like Halo demonstrates a level of a much higher level of disregard for the source material. But I mean, as, but I mean, I don't know that I would. Yeah. Like, wait, we haven't talked about that yet. Well, I don't think that it is contempt. I think it's just they thought that that was a horrifically misguided attempt to try and make Wanda seem like really scary and spooky. They didn't think about how people would hate it so immensely. I think that. I'm not sure. Yeah, because what I would say about like Halo is I think what happened with Halo is we're like television writers. We're not like video game developers, you know, like we actually like tell stories, not like these video games. There's that kind of attitude that permeates the Halo show. Yeah. Like they look down. It's a video game, not a television show. So it doesn't present that much by way of like a meaningful experience. They're not Mountain Dew consumers. They do not consume the game fuel. They miss out on a lot of really cool opportunities because when we talk about like one of the strongest sort of just marriages of gameplay and storytelling, the ending of Halo Reach, it's like, oh, you survive. And you're like, but I can't. It's like, yeah, that's yeah, you can't. But, you know, give it a shot. It's like, oh, that's like really good in terms of I mean, the Halo games have always been pretty good at balancing ludonarrative dissonance and that like what you're doing in the gameplay never really conflicts with what the character would want to be doing in this situation anyway. But it's like fine ways to leverage, you know, like the the gameplay to try and tell a story. It's not even like the Halo is like that amazing at doing it all the time. But I mean, there's there's just a lot of opportunities that they took advantage of. And I don't know if the show, they didn't play the games. So like they had no ability to leverage those things. It's not even like that they didn't play it. It's like they clearly get the vibe that they didn't want to play it. Like that's play a video game to write. That's so beneath us. Like play the game, read some of the books. Well, well, I mean, they they must have known enough about the games because I've got jackals and grunts and all. How much do you want to talk about Halo? Like what? What's going on? We'll talk about Wanda movie. We'll have a whole e-fab next week for it. What the fuck? I can't help it, Ma. The rest of his weight is like, have I done yet? Star Trek where the the same it's on the same streaming service are going, uh-huh. Yep. Uh-huh. We've been talking about this for five years. They made something of something they hated. They didn't watch any episode of Star Trek. They may they might have watched highlights on YouTube at best. Watched all the lowlights and then made a show. Yeah. And they picked the worst elements and then the showrunner complains that canon is hard. Oh, yeah. You make it sound as though you're not excited for season three of Picard. All the crews coming back. Rags, you're going to tune in, right? I would love. Oh, is Denise Krosby coming back? I don't know. I don't know. Well, she would have to play that Romulan character if she was. That's right. She will have to. They might do it. They might do it. Brought back Wesley. Was he actually in the show? It was in season two at the end. Yeah. Okay. Was it like a cameo? Because I still just. I just realized that his name didn't make it to season three. When he's acting so excited and he's just jerking it off all the time. Oh, yeah. I get the impression from him. He's like, I'm a good little boy. Let me back in. Yeah. I'm good. I'm good. Please let me be in Star Trek. That's all that I have. I'll do anything to be in a Star Trek episode. I'm sure he would. And then he would cover the episode by saying he was such a good performance by the entire cast, including me. Including me. That's Wil Wheaton, right? Yeah. Will Wheaton. Who famously appeared in Crisis of Infinite Earths. He's the guy who gets saved by Supergirl in the beginning right at the end. Oh, yeah. That was him. Yes. What was his thing? What character was he? He was protesting something. I can't remember. Yeah. Well, he could have been the Ender's Nigh. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Like the Ender's Nigh or something like that. He was a big bang theory. Will Wheaton, he played himself and he was a jerk in that show. Oh, yeah. I remember that. He did play himself. Wow. He also did the audio book Ready Player One, which it's like, man. I can't wait to read that book in his voice. Wow. That's the one thing that book needs. I mean, if you just want to listen to Will Wheaton reference pop culture, like I imagine that that audio book is a good investment. But yeah. That's the dream. Genuinely, like Disney hopes that every person who like watches this stuff is the kind of person who would love to read all those references and Ready Player One. They're just like, please be that person. We'll bring in more. Now, speaking of which, Dr. Strange and the Doctor Strange. Yeah. What I'll say before we start up is that a drinker shall arrive at some undetermined point to talk about this movie. Possibly to be convinced that it's much worse even than he thought it was. Who knows? Oh boy. He mentioned to me that he watched Gary's review and he was like, yeah, you guys seem to dislike it a lot more than me. That's like, yeah. So anyway, I can't exactly remember specifically where we were. Was it right before Pizza Papa? Is that where we were? We were when they escaped from, yeah, I think so, right? They just got into the Illuminati timeline. Well, I guess we can open them. We're saying what you have as an opportunity for storytelling when they arrive in this brand new universe is that America's done this before. So she can be like, oh, these are things I've learned along the way and then he can temper them by being a way wiser person. You can be like, yeah, you've come up with some good stuff just from having done it. But, you know, you got to think about this. The first thing she says is like, don't assume how anything works. Even when I was watching it, I was like, yeah, that's fair. It's an ultra universe. Literally anything could be different. And then she breaks that rule immediately and steals food. Well, she broke it even earlier in the movie already and she expected strange to be able to talk Spanish. Yeah. Because the universe is a multiverse to her. So what I find... I'll Spanish people steal things even if they're from other universes. Some things you could take. No. That's what the film's saying, not me. Not me. Yeah, that's the film. Well, I was going to do what the film was trying to say with pointing out that rule and then breaking it immediately. I was just like, am I supposed to see that as her being like an idiot? Or is that accidental? Like, I'm assuming they didn't mean to do that. I didn't realize what that meant. Yeah, I don't think I realized it. There's no way they did. If anyone's confused because it could have been a result of just chopping down scenes because they go from that to her being disappeared and he's like, well, before would you go? And then she's like, always find food because she's already gone to find food and she's like, she's back now. And I was like, okay. And he's like, how'd you pay for it? Because there's not any fucking money presumably. And then she's like, pay for it? You don't have free food where you come from? Which I was like, wasn't she in a cafe eating food earlier in their world? Meaning she must have known it was paid for? Oh, she doesn't know because she found it weird that they had to pay for their food. So why is she assuming that it's not like... The pizza place made Dr. Strange pay for the pizza after he just saved all of her lives from the police. I'm sure they didn't know. It was a different area. That is true. That would have been funny though. If there was like, if Dr. Strange thought there was this understanding and the color just clearly didn't. They rung him up. Should have been the pizza store owner from Spider-Man 2. Oh, yeah. Get this multiverse when you fix this damn pizza. Somebody said, lucky all the universes have breathable oxygen. I suppose that's worth talking about. That's not one we can talk about. Yeah, we gotta wait for the finale. When we're traveling through all those universes, right? It's like, could you have died at like any time? Just like... Paint one. Well, they did turn paint the hero. Oh, yeah. Right. We can't talk about that. I forgot. We got this last week. Yes. It's a tough one to avoid. We're going to have to avoid it for a long time because there is one key element to them traveling around that gets explained to us later. It ain't going to make any sense. But for now, we're going to have to shell the whole like... We'll discuss it all. Do not worry about that. I don't even remember what you're referring to. I'm excited. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Great. So, yeah. She just stole some shit from a guy, vendor, pizza papa, and he's like, what the hell? You just stole that. And then Doc strangers me to like, okay, calm down. Just his kid. She doesn't know what she's doing. Sort of a normal way to... this sort of confrontation would start. But like, super interestingly, pizza papa played by Bruce Campbell is like, wait a minute, and he grabs the cloak and he's like, this feels authentic. Did you steal this from the strange museum? And the strange is like, strange museum. So let go of my cloak. When the obvious reaction to that should be strange museum, the guy we're looking for being Steven Strange in this universe. The only hope we have of saving the multiverse is a museum dedicated to him. Is he dead? That should be the first thing you say because that's like, literally your mission statement right now. But no, he just goes like, museum. What does that even mean? Weird. And then he's like, I'm going to spray and then he sprays it back at him. Yeah. Get some good rain. Never try to spray mustard at a wizard. A wizard. Yeah. Never do it. Also, I guess you're just going to recap the whole scene before we start talking about everything wrong with this. Well, yeah, I guess the only thing left to say about this moment is that he cast some kind of spell that makes Bruce Campbell start hitting himself, which evokes something. Because remember, we hit himself and evil dead, too. And yeah. Yeah. And then they both just leave while he's hitting himself and she's like, how long does that last? And he's like, three weeks. That's a terrible, terrible thing to do to a person for being actually kind of reasonable thinking that you'd be strong. It's so wrong. I don't even be morally, the scene is all fucked because Dr. Strange should be really invested in the fact that he said there's a strange museum. Instead, he just wants to put actual torch. It's like, well, maybe, maybe it was, maybe that it was lowercase strange. Maybe it was just a strange museum. It was, yeah, it's a weird museum. It's just full of weird stuff. Did you get that from the strange museum on the other street? Is there any reason to believe that like Bruce Campbell won't just stop to death and like, well, if it lasts for three weeks, yeah, while punching himself, like his hand will dive first. So this is what we're highlighting is the problem when you put a portion of a Sam Raimi movie scene out of a Sam Raimi film and drop it randomly into a Marvel sludge movie. It like, doesn't line up at all. No, it doesn't fit the tone of what's happening in this moment. Because even if he manages to drink and eat, he will die of sleep deprivation before it wears off. And I know they're like, wow, you guys can't have any fun, can you? It's like, well, don't want to last that long. And also the other guys are there. I guess when I see a person who's really, who's suffering, sort of, for doing really nothing wrong at all, and then our hero says, yeah, he'll be like that for three weeks and they walk off. I don't know, I guess my human brain, yeah, I'm breaking carried for just a moment, it just goes like, oh my God, I can't believe that our hero did that to someone. That's a really awful thing to do to another person. That's not heroic at all. And that's how it came across to me, was the rio was like, you like Evil Dead, right? And I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, you like this? And I'm like, well, I mean, I don't know to see Bruce Campbell suffer. No, because that's what it is in this context. It's just a pizza vendor who sees that you've like looted someone's tomb. At least that's what he's under the impression you've done, while stealing food from him. And so he tries to put mustard on you, and then you put him in a three week self torture cycle. It's like, okay. And that's the best you can come up with, like with Bruce Campbell coming back to, I mean, I guess you get the credit scene too, but I could jump in the gun a little bit. But I mean, like surely everybody that they pass should be like, holy shit, that's Dr. Strange. Like it looks like Dr. Strange is wearing it. Like Dr. Strange, our greatest hero. He's just walking around walking by him, not recognizing him. Well, everybody's just walking by them. And I'm pretty sure like in the scene, vast majority of the extras are walking in the opposite direction, which means that most of them are looking at directly this face. It's like nobody. Yeah, especially weird because we find out in a couple seconds that he in this universe died to defeat Thanos and save the whole universe. So he's very well known. Again, to help people understand, it's like us walking past Benedict Cumberbatch times a thousand, I guess. Yeah. We would know. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. And someone might say like, well, he looks a bit different in this universe. He doesn't have the goatee. No, no, I don't think that's good to do it. He pulls them off. Yeah, it looks similar enough that people would notice, but nobody does. Yeah. And also, how does this random pizza ball salesman know what an authentic Levitation Cloak feels like? I don't know. I don't even know. I don't know what he's exactly. He means. Yeah, because you could think that someone could make a pretty good like replica that would feel really strong and everything without it having to be the actual cloak. Maybe they can't cosplay in the eight three eight. Oh. Uh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, they continue their very, very slow walk. And I'm talking about the kind of slow walk that if you guys like, if you go into like the supermarket and you're walking with someone who's this slow, you'll get frustrated. Like, oh yeah. You just really don't kick. It's like movie walking where they it's more so important that they get the conversation going when literally the fate of the multiverse is hanging over there. Also, just to remind everybody, a monster could spawn on top of them at any moment. They are aware of this. It's expedition time. Yeah. Oh, very much so. Because slow down. Next up, they visit the memory store. No. They stumble across the memory store. Yeah, that's true. Good correction. They stumble across it. What's it actually called? It's called memory lane. It's called memory lane. Memory lane. Memory lane. All right. Did you guys ever see overdrawn at the memory bank? No. No. All right then. What can be said about this other than you had a problem to solve as a writer, which is to let us be aware of two core memories. One for each character. And yeah, this was how you solve the problem. A reminder, this is the writer of fan four stick and Loki who wrote this movie. Everybody's calling him a master piece right now. Did he write fan four stick? I didn't know that. Fan four stick and Loki. Two Titans of the industry. Those films. Yeah. Yeah. Highly respected. Michael Valtran. Yeah. This is just, you know, if I was like reviewing some of Fringy's writing work and he had this happen, I would immediately be like, don't you think that's a little lazy? Like you just, you want us to see their memory so they walk into the memory. Don't you think this is terrible and I don't want to be friends with you anymore? Even with this terrible idea, make it funny, they walk by and they're like banging their wife or something. This is like a written Morty joke. Yeah. It is several across memory lane. Rick would be like, how is this legal? This is, that's my memory. Yeah. Exactly. Everyone can see him now. Oh God. Oh, not that one. Yeah. Because everybody, everybody can see them. Can you imagine like that seems like, yeah. It's terrible. It's a complete, I guess that means that they just have some kind of contract with the country, like the government, that you could just do this. And the alert, this universe is meant to be like, not an awful, horrid universe, right? No, it's not convinced. It's got flowers on the buildings. Everything's very chill and happy and they've won the day. Everything's normal. This guy is gay. So why would I go inside to buy the memories if I can just use the one outside that tells me I get it half off? You get one for free outside, maybe? Is that how that works? Yeah. We can give you a taste of what is to come. Oh, yeah. It just shows me. It just shows me one of the most horrific memories I have that traumatized me. Like, yeah. That's a good advertising. It said it shows you. I don't think I'm going to come back. It said it shows you significant memories. It's like so traumatic ones are definitely on the table, especially in America seas. Yeah. I don't want to. It's like, why would you do that? Imagine like, like you're a really, really big fat person and you walk past, you didn't realize you're still on it and they just have a memory of you sitting like naked on a baddie in a tub of mayonnaise. It's like, thanks. This is what I needed. I like to think it auto prints onto t-shirts and mugs as well. So people just are buying your memories while you're accidentally experiencing the truth. There has to be people who just for fun time, they go in front of that store and sit on a bench and just watch other people's random traumatic memories. The new people watching. It's a part of how essentially what this show is as we watch our. How does the memory lane store identify what memories and why are they presented so vividly? You know, like vividly, I'm from an angle that's impossible because very cinematic angles. Yeah. Well, it's simple. It's because Cortana runs the store. Oh, that's even understood that one. I think the funny thing is not only is it impossible angles, they keep changing, like zooming in and moving around. It's like, how is it? It's like the ironic store has a flair for cinematography. Ah, yes. This white shot of the parents getting sucked through the wormhole. You want to see your mom's going to suck an interventional vortex wormhole in 4K? Hey, it was the bee's memory. Yes. That would make more sense. Yeah. It would be traumatic for the bee. It becomes incredibly transparent because you're just like, oh, you want me to know the Doctor Strange cares about Christine. Yeah, I know. I know that that's going to be the relevance to the story. You could have achieved that with subtext. You could have had to just be like you were with Christine in that universe. Where is she in this one? No memory lane. You know, but no memory lane. And then you, it's like, oh, how could I possibly have America talk about the first time she experienced use of her portals? That's, I don't know how to do that other than the memory store. It's like, maybe Doctor Strange could prosecute. A memory store. That's the big of the writing room and that's what they say is like, I don't know how to do this other than a memory store. I could have been a part of the whole, like, why are you here, kid, that they did at the beginning of the movie? Yeah. She avoids talking about it at first until they get closer and he breaks down some of the walls on both sides and then they reveal some extra, you know, personal things. I do have opportunities for subs. Yeah. Cause like if you can be like, well, where's the Christine in your world? Or it's like, oh, I was at a wedding. It's like, it's like what your wedding? It's like, no, no, no, no, like to get married to someone else is like, oh, you know, it's like, just, I don't know. Just work with it. Like have a conversation. So easy. Compared to the memory store. I feel like the memory store is so don't do flashbacks. It's like, right, this isn't a flashback though. It's like, no, it's worse. Yeah. Cause it could have been that it's one of his dreams that he has at some point in the film when he's a slave. And that's it. Simple as that to contextualize it that way. But no memory. So yeah, America's one is that she sent her parents through a portal and then herself and she's never seen them again. And so she's been multi versus traveling. Like since she was like five. And she's been to like seven, like 72. That's what she said. Yeah. Yeah. Which would lead me to believe that she's really stupid because she never got to go through it to any like school or introduction from anyone with an Elizabeth situation here. Like her personality doesn't match what we understand to be a history. And she's a fun quirky person who's just having a great old time and she's really smart and she's always right because she has the best life in and that's just it. There's no real actual issue with her being in that situation for her whole life. Yeah. I didn't feel it. I don't know if you guys did very well adjusted. Imagine it just being a much more just distrusting socially sort of put it like stunts. Yeah. Yeah. I mean shouldn't that tie into her arc if she's been especially if we're going to have a have the percent like if she feels like she got betrayed in the opening and it feels like it would lean more into that arc that she really doesn't trust anybody because she can't trust anything right because she's she's traveled through all these universes where nothing like it's really difficult to grasp like what makes sense and why people would act a certain way. Yeah. So it kind of makes sense that she would become super shut off from the world. Don't get too attached right because you're probably not going to be here forever. Oh man. You've got like all these opportunities. Yeah. It almost writes itself. Yeah. The trepidation she would have every like even opening of a door or arrival into a world because she can know how bad it can get. Exactly. But it's like it's it's you kind of want to dip your toes into like having a character who has a history that's really sad but you don't want to fully commit to the consequences which is that person's just not going to act the same way as everybody else. Yeah. Feel sorry for me but without any of the pesky weight that such a circumstance would actually entail. Well the film kind of doesn't have the time to meaningfully explore any of those like they don't want people to get too sad or like too upset about like because because I don't know like why wouldn't you tell the story of how she basically had a childhood stolen from her by like nobody except herself and like that she's actually really upset about that. I could totally see them being like oh that's too dour compared to what they already have in this film. I know right like. So they move right along until they discover that statue of Doctor Strange and it says that he saved the world from Thanos but he died in the process and it's like hmm so who is Sorcerer Supreme I wonder you might think Wong but no it's Mordo. Remember him he's back in Mordo form. I did not remember him. Well it's the thing I don't think many people will but the funny part to this is that is this is like all but confirmed that there's a deleted scene with him our Mordo if you will. So the leak was the leak that got most of this film right Mordo was meant to get decapitated by Wanda at the beginning of the movie. That would be our Mordo. Yeah the MCU Mordo but I guess they decided they might want to bring him back later on so they cut that out. Right on the heels of fucking YMS's video about Lion King, Jiu-Wa-Tel Edgy 4 is a fucking great actor and yet once again he does fuck all. He could have been an amazing Mordo but the character I am from Mordo sucks like he's kind of just a patty annoying little bitch. Which is yeah they always waste him. You're a great actor it's almost like we just have him it's fine we won we got him he's in the movie moving on. It's a common problem with the MCU which is that the actors get let down by the writing the idea is pretty red you get an act away like you're actually pretty bad at this they're all like pretty good actors some of them are fantastic and it's like but the material yeah. What was that would you clap? No I put my hand down in the middle of it. It's a clap of a badness. It's a clap of a badness. It's a multi-clap of a badness. Oh boy. So what's interesting here is he says that Mordo introduced me to all the sorcerer shit and then she's like oh that's good then he's like and he's been trying to kill me for the past however long and she's like oh that's less good and I was just sitting there like why he'd kill you wasn't it wasn't he his whole thing was taking powers from people um wasn't killing him I didn't realize that had happened and of course without that scene to contextualize our Mordo in the beginning of this film without him being gone I'm guessing that would have given us at least somewhat of a primer for how he got to where he is because at the end of Doctor Strange he says he's basically I don't even think it's particularly well done but his idea is basically power given to too many people who are reckless with it and so I've decided that I will be the one to take it away from him and be responsible with it. He feels that Doctor Strange violated the natural law when he used the time stone to save the universe um it's like I can't I can I understand what you're saying but at the same time did you want the Dark Dimension to swallow everyone? Is that what you're saying? I don't understand like it's you know I think that was a week ago however he wasn't going he didn't want to he doesn't want to kill people he's like a good person quote-unquote with the he's gone crazy with the whole take everyone's powers away because they're all reckless I like the idea of him going after Scarlet Wish I feel like that's that lines up um but Doctor Strange saying like he's been trying to kill me for a while I was like damn I had no idea that was happening and none of us did considering um you've been gone for five years and then we just haven't had any mention of Moro at all since the movie yeah but okay I mean things just stop existing until they're useful again for a story that's kind of the MCU now and then you remind yourself whatever knowledge you have of Moro is actually kind of useless um because this is a different universe and anything could have happened you could be a completely different person in a sense but at the same time you should probably be worried about everybody who knows who the good guys and bad guys are yep so very trusting in this part frustratingly things are cool let's go in I'm gonna tell you everything because they've established the um they believe like hmm Moro tried to kill me in the other universe better be careful with this guy oh what's that tea thank you I mean uh which yeah I found really fucking annoying and I in the cinema I was like that better not be drugged because I fucking hate it when they do that with characters who are much too smart to fall for that shit you don't have a look for poison spell or well remember how he turns wine you could he could probably just neutralize it with a he's fully aware of all of this he recognizes like the spell he looks over and he sees the pot that made it it's like what the you you put the poison juice in the bag it can speak you as glowing jar of the flumes why would it be in the room it's like it's like laying there and like something of the something of sand he says it's like a spell something of sands of something um we she later references it uh Christine as what designed the bracelet things we'll get to that um so it's like a well known quantity that can do people if they drink it as well as do magic in general it's like you knew all of this you knew not to trust him and you drank the tea straight away cool good job nice I'm just reminded of a scene from heavy rain where they where you are um in a position where you can refuse obviously drugged tea and they swap what button um you would press to say no so most people accidentally say yes to the drug you okay uh I don't know what to say about um America could very well have activated the powers the second she realized she was drugged I'm not saying that in terms of her purposely doing it I'm saying that was a fucking risk that she could have like panicked and then opened one up and more it would be fucked there does seem to be that um element which I thought they were gonna play into with the movie of her portal seemed to open up whenever she gets like a super startle they're surprised or is in peril fear of field season peril so I which isn't the case I guess they never know it just was a couple of times plot reasons yeah it was where the plot can't handle the fact that she could go somewhere else it's like no we need you to stay here like oh okay okay um yeah he's knocked out and it's like damn guys you've done terribly it's the fate of the multiverse is on your shoulders and you just don't fucking like this is your where are the real heroes I don't want to die um then we got the uh the horror scene the spooky scene where where wonder takes over this universe wonder and for the first time we can talk about at least with this one the luck factor of the universe and I don't even know if I can call this a luck factor I'll explain that in a second the universe that Doctor Strange and America are currently in is just one of infinite right and everything changes when you enter these universes all the variables can be altered you never know what you're getting wonder needs to chase them and she's going to do that by dream walking into herself in that universe so imagine there was no wonder in this universe which is perfectly viable there's no reason why that wouldn't have happened but then also imagine she was there but she had no powers which is perfectly viable too and then what if she was there she did have her powers but her husband vision was there as well you would be like what you doing honey like I'm just going to go kill talk to the illuminati what if um wonder was there but she still lived in like Europe or something is she's going to fly across the Atlantic ocean to New York to go fight him which is by the way she flies slow she does well because isn't isn't because it looks like the west view house and that was in New Jersey right so like it's probably still going to take you a while to get to New York like especially when you're not flying at like the speed of like a kite you know well yeah and this is the reality it would have been incredibly lucky for her to be within flying distance of the illuminati wouldn't it just want to say that the phrase flying at the speed of a car amuses me am I am I am I all those things they're all really lucky but like the kind of luck we're talking about here I was going to use the word astronomical but I don't even know that that's uh applyable like inconceivable it's inconceivable luck yeah the luck that is on display here is it's the it's the top it's max luck it is the most lucky you could ever be in any story ever I don't know how you could be more lucky I don't know how you could design a situation where you could have more luck than you do in this movie because remember you know I initially gave this it's infinite for everything that could happen yeah I initially gave this film more of the benefit of the doubt than it deserves because I thought what was happening initially is that she was inhabiting a normal wonder but the dream walking process allowed her to access her main universe powers but then we see later that um the wonder of that universe does have powers so yes she she did get lucky enough to find a wonder with powers and I guess um it's almost jumping ahead a little bit but like this alternate version of wonder doesn't appear to be as powerful as like the main wonder but like she can still be all of the illuminati so like yes it's lucky that the wonder had like yeah powers to begin with which given that she seems to be living a normal life and is like not active superhero presumably I don't know like it's it's kind of it's like that's lucky she isn't too concerned about the illuminati afterwards or anything oh we'll talk about it and how did she find her how did she find like how does she know America Chavez has these powers how does she know where she is throughout the entire multiverse we're supposed to believe it's the dark hold that does all that oh she can that's actually because it's what annoyed me when uh America Chavez was like wow Dr. Strange you just told them where I am like the scholar witch and it's like well no she always knows where you are she's been chasing you for ages that's what you told us like are you dumb also head drinking hello hello you seem to be here a little bit early or are you yeah get out I don't know am I early I don't know that's fine either way yeah it's not like I got completely mixed up about what time my other live stream was meant to be happening no no oh wait so how long we got you for you got me for the next two in a bit hours sweet right do my best to be entertaining okay I'll do my best to get us to the because it's we're almost to the big scene all right we're nearly there there's so many big scenes oh yes so we we cut the Wong being trapped with binds and this random sorcerer is like oh hey Wong and he's like oh man you survived which immediately is just like wait so wonder didn't check to see who's awake and not alive and stuff like also wonder didn't kill Wong for some reason and just bound him there instead the only argument you could probably make is that she wants to keep him alive just in case I don't really average for strange if they come back he is yeah he is this woman is this woman is pretty big on contingencies to be fair like she wants to get America Chavez he's power to hop across universities just in case her kids happen to get sick fictional disease that she can't cure in the existing universe so man yeah she likes to she likes to cover all the bases I'll um he's good for leverage against Doctor Strange as well so I'm okay with that one I'm not okay with one guy to be around you know like that is true yeah she's set up in base camp spells right next to a world where she has to go like unconscious or not really unconscious but unable to see or hear stuff in the real world while she's doing all that shit surrounded by people who are very likely not dead um which makes you wonder if uh if she just ran up to hit Wanda herself and stabbed her in the center of the fucking head like would she just die I assume so right like knives and the head is normally a quite the weakness for people yeah like she's not uh she doesn't have like super human endurance or anything like that like she's just got a regular human body you can walk up behind her and shoot her in the back of the head she die and that's what makes it a lot more interesting than just making her like fucking superman but more powerful yeah because then what I said before is like why can't you just open a fucking portal directly above her head that's like inside a volcano or something and just pours like lava onto her it's like instant death dude they can account for the portals and they never will they don't want to dump her in the Marianas trench nope yeah good old space try that one I don't know if you could put her in the Marianas trench with portals well I wonder what would I wouldn't want to risk that or opening one to space um yeah because if you put one into if you put one in the trench you wouldn't be able to get her in the portal because the water would be shooting out of it at an insane pressure yeah I don't know how the space she would in theory get sucked into space yeah I don't know what it would do for you known as well I don't know what it would do for the rules of pressure and stuff doing that like there seems like a risky event to do I'd rather just put her on Titan just drop her on Titan let us stay there fuck her she can rot on Titan is there a distance limitation to these portals nope and go and confirm that oh yeah remember you can move portals that is true also the Marianas trench portal would be an incredibly strong weapon though you just make a hole and then it just just you just get bottom of the ocean pressure coming out at you and a hose oh yeah water blasting out what if you opened one half way through her and it just like you should kill it there's no reason why I wouldn't but oh well the portals are really good yes very handy and they also confirm to us and wait was that an endgame or infinity war where he cuts up someone's hand yeah it was the infinity war I ever made with those portals shouldn't have not shown us that one no that's how Wong beats the abomination in Shang Chi he uses portal against his own face he uses portal to punch him in the face that's really good I mean that's more fun than anything they do it gets me all Bruce Campbell yeah there's ladies awake and she's like oh Wong says you got to free me so I can destroy the book and she's like you can't destroy it and it's because we find out that destroying the dark hole kills the person who destroys it it's some kind of weird curse related thing I guess I don't know but I thought it was funny I can buy it yeah yeah I'm mostly fine with that it's a rule that's been thrown on I find it funny that we establish just like let me down so that I can destroy the book and then she's like no I will destroy it and it's like still let me down it's like surely as the moment Wanda sees this happen she's going to be extremely unhappy so I should like have the ability to defend myself at least it's fucking hilarious to me it's almost like he's fucked now but alright I've left Wong alone in this room with a very angry sorcerer lady good luck with that Wong yeah buddy bye but yeah it's also it just it seemed ridiculous to me and many others the dark hole can be destroyed by your average knife like we talked about this before it's like surely at least it should need like a really powerful spell or something to destroy it like considering how dangerous it is enchanted blade me no special enchanted blade yeah no basilising phone no nothing just a knife and as we talked about earlier it seems to take more damage than an actual book when getting stabbed absolutely normal books can take a knife they really can if you stab the normal book it's actually kind of fine you can still read it just fine but this one well a thick solid book it's like trying to stab a knife through a block of wood basically the same density so yeah so the dark hole is weaker than just a regular book dude it's weaker than a pamphlet yeah so it's implied to be like it's a living thing I guess and stabbing this is just like putting a blade through its heart yeah and then like we got the scene where you meant to feel bad for like wander like oh no you like getting kicked out of that universe you know like that yeah it's like yes the good wander is freed from your influence we're all very happy that this has happened but then yeah immediately after that so like in a sense it's like oh isn't this sad for you it starts just torturing some people you know as you do torturing the students in order to extract information from Wong, poor Wong there just like having a really bad day I wish I could say poor Wong but he brings a lot of this shit onto himself I fucking hate the line here where you're Wong you ain't said nothing she boops you across the floor you've seen her dark hole get destroyed and she's like the dark hole can't be the only thing in the world you're the sorcerer supreme tell me stuff she's basically shot in the dark please tell me there's more than one you know so means of accessing its magic Wong's supposed to be relatively intelligent right the many just lie well you have the dialogue tree go ahead yeah there's so many lies you could tell her like oh you know yes there is another copy it's stored at Avengers HQ you're going to have to go there that happens to you along the bay that's a fucking great example of a lie you could tell he could also crazy idea say that's the dark hole that's the thing you want a dream walk when that is literally the book for that that is it I can't help you what do you mean but instead because he's fucking idiot he says I'll die before I talk like you idiot you've just confirmed there's something to say yep yeah yeah she had nothing but he says that and so sweet yeah and it takes her a second she just threatens well I say threatens to torture she just does torture a bunch of sorcerers and they're screaming their heads off she'll probably be a hero again in the next movie you know in that scene I thought she somehow resurrected a bunch of dead bodies and then started torturing them but instead they were just laying there guys don't move she'll go away eventually she'll be conspicuous you're like a giant green bull I was like no no no I'm dead she'll never notice me make dead noises just display your ground I thought the sorcerer supreme was supposed to make the tough decisions I'm sure and an NDA or something before they got the cometage like hey if a dark witch comes for the dark hold and like hold your hostage you're gonna die it was if the multiverse is at stake sorry it was established that this will cost the multiverse he knows that are they just trying to show that like Wong is different from strange and that he he's not as willing to make those trades I think that needs to be addressed at some point though because they'll die anyway stakes are way too high I wouldn't even mind like a scene from one of those tortured sorcerers being like you fucked up once this is all over and you can be like what do you mean it's like you fucked up I don't care that you saved my life or like he refuses to say anything he does what you suggest and he's like nope there's nothing I can tell you that's the only copy and it's destroyed now sorry and then she starts torturing them and one of them lets slip that there's something else that's what gives the game away you could have it be the one that says he's lying yeah that could do it that could fix it do you like rice stuff drinker or what also they wouldn't even know right well you I think we can allow that they don't know anything beyond the fact that the dark holds is something that was copied from somewhere that's all they know yeah or they could have heard rumors or something but there's plenty of ways you could work in and have it not compromise yeah like the security went to core what was it called was it went to core because the doctor strange even now I don't know I don't know what he knows anymore I guess it's also worth noting by the way the dark hold doesn't exist anymore so the influence of the dark hold is ceasing at this point or unless it's permanent in which case there's no hope for her well she does some of the wish it doesn't matter like the dark hold being there or not made no difference to her personality so mm-hmm yeah she was already a monster in one division and that was before she even got her hands on it yep the Wong tells her that the book was copied from some temple on the top of like a mountain again he could have lied literally he could have said it was at the top of Mount Everest just to delay them and then he could have said sorry I can't portal up to the peak of Mount Everest because my stupid I can't believe she just takes that as true his rule about the sorceress can't go anywhere closer to it like could you just say like go to the base of the fucking mountain be like we can't trespass on here with magic it doesn't let me so then she has to fly them all the way up the mountain it's like he just didn't do anything that could have delayed it it's almost like he wants the world to fucking end it also bugs me a thing about he just says like it's up on this mountain and then they're just there like he knows exactly where it is where this one peak is I mean might have been worthwhile for him to actually just open a portal to the bottom of the ocean to try and like you know distract her a bit so that he could like escape or I know it's grim but um we should have killed himself should have yep he knows that he can't because there are payoffs like that in a couple of I guess movies where someone is being used for um information actually that's just reminding me I don't know if anyone here has seen it it's already into the galaxy that happens in Guardians of the Galaxy isn't that one of the assistants of the collector guy oh yeah well she's she's just trying to escape being a slave but I think that's fair yeah you can definitely reference something like that I was more so going with them as a result is it like ends up like freeing everybody in uh is a film called unthinkable I don't know if anyone's heard or seen of it it's um the film about a terrorist is captured and Samuel Jackson is brought in to interrogate him and eventually they're like because he's threatening to blow up schools and he's got bombs ready and so Samuel Jackson gets told there's no limits do whatever you want and the film he goes really far to the kind of lengths that we would all be like Jesus Christ you can't do that that go well beyond the person um is uh it's Michael Sheen is the is the terrorist in that and um let's just say I guess this is kind of spoilery but I want to make a point here so the I don't know if the film is that great so don't worry about it too much in that way but he um he pushes him to such a degree that things happen to in the third act where he gets a hold of a gun and um he threatens to point it at several people and they just shoot himself because it's like that's the surefire way of making it so that no more information comes out again um it'll be grim to portray that but you've kind of put yourself in a corner with Samuel this movie does it, this movie's ready to go grim so it's well yeah that's it you could even, you could have him at least try to end his own life and then she uses her sorcery to prevent it again you show him taking like smart logical steps it's like I've exhausted every other option I'm just gonna have to kill myself and then you know she stops him and we we established that that's something Wong's character will do in these circumstances which is good for him but you don't actually commit to being dead like the emcee because in Infinity War Gamora tries this when she realizes that um because Gamora is like a hero um like Gamora tries to make that trade on um on Vormir when she realizes what Thanos is gonna do oh you're right yeah she tries to kill herself um someone in chat just reminded me as well do you remember the Nazi that kills himself in Captain America to stop to stop the interrogation it's one to one because he would have information on Hydra and stuff so it's just like yeah this is something that they've actually done before um but obviously we can't do that to Wong because he's too important well because we're gonna have Wong around and like show up in a bunch of different projects in the future I would assume he's got like complete there's nothing that would kill Wong at this point we certainly immune to fall damage wow well so jump too far ahead yeah good references I didn't even think of those and also one that can do like these I don't know control tisms that she does later on to America so she could just use that here after Wong tries to kill himself yeah there are ways to make open the portal to wherever we need to go okay well that's kind of the first thing we'll get there in terms of she provides him a sling ring and it's like oh god I hate that he has that it's such a good weapon but he'll never use it as a weapon so we wake up in the Illuminati facility Doc Strange realized and he's got some funky bracelets on that mean he can't use any of his abilities presumably that means America can't open portals or use a magical punches because why else would she be wearing those I say this because that'll be relevant later yeah they don't again act with much urgency Doc Strange first wants to talk to Christine the equivalent in this universe about like how just what's up and who are we to each other in this world instead of like guys you need to get us out of here right now we've got a fucking squid monster on the way or the scariest it sounds literal witch he's gonna come in here and kill everybody he takes a while to get that part out and he's mostly being snarky which again it just comes across as strange for him I would see him more as getting more and more angry not snarky I could maybe see Iron Man doing it but like Doc Strange to me has always been someone seemingly that's like when the world is actually at stake he gets very serious yeah I mean that's like Infinity War was the classic example like he was super focused on the endgame of what they needed to achieve and that's that's kind of what you should be facing here this is in most ways like even more severe this is the threat to the entire fabric of reality across every multiverse it's like mistakes just can't possibly get any bigger than this yeah he's just kind of goofing around and swapping back to her who are you to me here or how was I to you or whatever wanna talk about the relationship he's already explained it to Moto it's like yeah so someone else is more receptive yeah and she's in a position to free him so he absolutely should just try and win her over as quickly as possible it should be what he's saying cause it's literally the most important thing ever why is she saying anything he's a prisoner from another universe they don't know anything they're trying to say like she's like alright I'll tell you some stuff I would just not say anything it was weird yeah because she has this weird middle ground where she's like toying with him she's like I don't even want to know like about you and us from your universe like don't you want to know everything or nothing like it's going to be one of those too right you want to know he would have told Moto and Moto would have told you that he reckons that there's someone that he tells you on board now so why isn't she behaving as though that's believed or she's just going to lock him up and ignore him and it looks like she's had experience with the multiverse before seeing that she's mapped a bunch of it by herself I guess what does it mean to be able to do that if you can't travel between multiverses if America is the only person who can travel between multiverses how do they like scientifically study and explore like how do they you know what I mean how do they do that I suppose the best thing we can imagine is they don't they've simply decided that this is what they will have as preparation if someone was to arrive I guess I guess what I mean is like what does it mean to know that there's a universe called 616 and that yours is 833 it means you've cataloged universes that you can you observe them can you see what's in them they couldn't have cataloged more than literally that unless Dr. Strange they're Dr. Strange cataloged a couple why is the universe not universe one just about to ask that we're one of course because we're the best 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 what is their frame of reference for all these different universes I guess it's Dr. Strange dream walked into them possibly how did she cataloged cataloged or she took up his work or something he dream walked into her and wrote it down yeah because I thought he did all that secretly he only told them once he caused an incursion is what they say right that's what they say and so at that point what information is he going to give you it's like I went to one that was paying call that you know 131 it's like why we already have a universe P everything's you're in it's like damn hold off on the surprise I mean if she was so willing to talk she could have said well we've got this omega level mutant that can read your mind don't remind me of how much this is badly done it's yes you're right what do you've learned about kang probably kang the second he would have known he would have gone oh that's different I guess the timeline like they would have known about that right it's also I guess to touch on it right it's the MC universe is 616 which is the comics one right like 616 616 is the main comics continuity so I guess they've decided to like lock the MCU out of being like directly in like a multiverse that it contains they kind of they kind of lock the comics out haven't they because the MCU is supposed to be in earth one nine nine nine nine nine and now this kind of contradicts us the only way you can rectify the only way you can reconcile that is if this is just the numbering system they happen to be using in this universe while the actual numbering is different the one Mysterio said yeah we're just gonna say that yeah it's stupid no matter what the actual explanation is unfortunately they never should have done it they just I don't know why why can't you just give it its own name why can't it be one nine nine nine nine nine universe Kevin it was just a format they already killed the comics but it's like halo maybe the less they involve them the better the halo show is called the silver timeline and the gold timeline is the game so it's like okay at least you recognized its less value I was gonna say yes but it does not deserve to be called the silver timeline yes it's like the poop timeline it's just terrible you know I was thinking about this and with all of this miscategorization and everything with their relationship with the comics I just realized that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles who have had I think at least a couple of multiverse events to this day actually did it better than Marvel I can believe it I can absolutely believe that because in both because there was one with the 2003 series crossing over the 80 series and then there was one with the 80 series crossing over the 80 series and in both of those crossovers they established that the original comic book Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was the turtle prime universe that's where everything's from turtle prime I love your prime but meme did someone punch reality in their timeline you know I don't remember someone punching reality resulting in a bunch of resurrections and shifts I don't remember reality getting punched in the face that's a shame yes I'm desperately trying to force the meme from yesterday shut up watch medals forge and find out how Jason Talbot resurrected when Superboy Prime punched reality in the face man you do that to reality we get back and forth with Stranger Christine about how they're just as fucking awkward in this universe as they are in every one of them nobody cares and then he's like so what is this place Hydra Shield and then Mordor's like neither and he's like what is this place Suicide Squad and he's like well what then he goes the Illuminati we'll see you now I chuckled in the cinema when I heard that I did I was like so they're evil right it is like it just evokes the yeah yeah why are you calling that but it's set up as this like huge revelation and ultimately it just boils down to yeah it's just your version of the Avengers yeah okay you've got three members but it's the same fucking principle apparently they have an Avengers as well because they still describe Carter as the first Avenger it only it's something that like has gravitas only on a meta level for people who know what the team is in the comics because like to Doctor Strange it means nothing right it's like traumatic but it doesn't really mean anything to him well yeah they certainly right most people aren't aware of the team in the comics and they go with the good old fashioned undercutting with his response being the Illuma Wadi it's like oh yeah it's not that big of a word Doctor Strange I think it'll be okay I thought you were smart you used to be smart you used to be uh there's enough memes around this you should know um oh yeah next up Wong takes to the place he literally does everything that she would want him to do to a T he doesn't fuck up any of it so cooperative but they do establish that Sorcerer Magic doesn't fucking work within the the range of the temple which is a really funny thing for them to establish because they just completely break it several times like I don't know why they even did that I don't see the point um but okay maybe don't think about it maybe that was Wong's attempt he was like I know I'll take it most of the way so that we're in fucking we can see the location and then she'll be stuck it's like I can fly and he's like oh yeah oh at least she'll be far away I guess yeah like shouldn't she just like fall out of the sky when she gets within range of like the magic dampening view oh no sorcerer magic magic magic witchcraft witchcraft yeah witchcraft that's another rick and morty joke oh my god it's sorcery no no morty it's witchcraft it's different yeah people wanted me to bring this up I don't even know what to say it's like they're wearing a very normal amount of layers on like a peak of peaks and it's obviously it's just freezing completely freezing it's like neither of them behave as though it's cold it's 72 degrees I hate this in movies yes it's super fucking freezing I don't even know if you could breathe up here it's so awful to be in and everyone's like well isn't it like when you move from that like altitude to that altitude instantly isn't that supposed to do stuff to you I don't think it'll affect you it will under water but I don't think it will I'm pretty sure it does why does this place exist like why is it allowed to exist like if this is where the dark hold was copied from right and they got their copy put it in the book and then they guarded it why do you need the original temple because surely it's just a massive liability that someone's gonna discover eventually and it's gonna give lots of really dangerous information to the wrong people couldn't you just arrange for it to be destroyed I feel like in this universe they often forget that it's like why don't you just get like an AC-130 to like fly over it and just blow it up one that clearly has a big enough killer streak for it I can explain this this didn't exist before this movie so made up that's true I can't blame the characters if it exists and one knows that it exists you should just be like hey US army can you like blow that place up and what is it it's literally evil it's just evil it's just an evil temple for evil horrible terrible things just destroy it please it's like if you had the ability to drop a nuke on Sauron's fortress like in Lord of the Rings it's like that basically you just you want to blow this thing up and that's speaking of the conditions there and let's not forget that these are the conditions that the ancient one forced Strange into to force him to open a portal and learn how to do that yeah that's right we have to die up there you're right yeah fuck the first movie they don't care anymore that was like several movies ago yeah we'll just go no one remembers that Kanna's gonna remember that something that often gets overlooked in like speculative fiction stories but you need to account for just whether there's air that you can breathe and the temperature of places and the gravity of places that we're talking about different planets and the wind wind but just the natural and cold we hand away gravity away all the time we don't even want to think about gravity everywhere was balmy you know like comfortable 25 degrees Celsius everywhere's like a movie set oddly enough yeah or green screen you can breathe comfortably it's not like Earth has very extreme climates and temperatures in extreme places just here's a funny thought did Jimmy Neutron actually handle this better because they actually had an explanation but it's just off screen but you just can't hear why they can breathe in space but there is an explanation there it does exist in that universe but this they don't even bother why would they bother that takes screen time fuck it yeah Green Neutron wanted to teach children about science maybe so they more accurately commonly accounts for like these sorts of things I don't know so it turns out there's four big demon beasts that are just chilling out in this temple and they're for thousands of years they're just waiting for it cards, peanuts because Wong says when the first demons arrived in this world or something they inscribed their magic onto these walls and I was like is that them are those wow they sound really intimidating and strong I'm sure there will be a big problem for our heroes later oh yeah oh well when they arrived I was like oh we're getting a big fight scene with them then oh yeah of course nobody's happy with how the monsters in this film were like traded everybody kind of agrees that was a waste how could anyone categorize it any differently that's all it is they're really shit they bow to Wanda because she is the scarlet witch they've been waiting for her for eons it's a prophesized whatever she is the one jump scare oh yeah you get that too but as it was prophesied in the dark hold was it either enslave or destroy the world that's the prophecy which by the way is where the stakes come from which is so bizarre that they don't mention where they know that you have to have seen WandaVision yes they mention it briefly and Wanda mentions over and over again that's not what I want I just want my kids and I mean she's believable in the movie I don't think they say that though they don't say that that's from the dark hold they just say that's what she wants or that she may destroy the universe they don't say it's from the dark hold no that's from WandaVision I feel like if you haven't seen WandaVision you might be like whoa why did you assume she's going to destroy the whole universe what the fuck lots of assumptions in this movie they make an ass out of the film and the film are you implying that watching WandaVision might have been an important thing to do before either watching this film or maybe even making it well it's definitely something to make it this film basically made just to sell Disney plus subscriptions and get people to watch WandaVision yep I don't understand why you wouldn't include that in the film it's like I'm sure people watch the show it's like to be fair Samurai we didn't even watch it so like why would no you don't need to watch Doctor Strange 1 you don't need to watch that movie not really no it might just get in the way so yeah we come back to the Illuminati and Doctor Strange is being delivered to their council by Ultron nice to see all Ultron again he's doing good Ultron except all he does is he's just some lame robots it's not like James Spader or anything I was expecting to see an Ultron that he presents himself as as a singular like an Ultron instead I guess he's just some robots who are shit it's non binary with birthing hips Ultron I think it was a complete waste every scene you can have interactions that are interesting as they're dragging him to the council it doesn't have to be James Spader if you want to make it a different act because you can't get him that's totally fine but just have them talk to him why not? Ultron is a personality even if he's a good guy he's gonna have one presumably no different universe not allowed but anyway it would have been cool to see Ultron but that's fine they knew about him I guess that's a weird part they knew enough about him to put him in but they didn't put him in yeah I assume it's only there to make you feel more like though he walks into the room and Mordo is introducing himself and he interrupts your name is Carl and then a shield gets thrown in him bounce bounce it goes to Captain Carter why would you do that I guess she's really pissed off for some reason well it was because they wanted the shot of the shield flying back and then you see the first union jet going ooh and everybody tweeting oh my god we just got Captain Carter in the movie theater it's just like man look look people look you want these it's all just yeah like look she's doing the thing later on when she's like I can do this all day just keep throwing all these references it's just I felt like I wasn't watching a movie anymore it's like I'm watching I don't know what this is but this doesn't feel like it's got full circle it's back to your friend showing you his collection of toys being like check out this one you're like yeah that's really cool look what we bought I think the clearest example of this is when they show Mr. Fantastic it's like you did a portal from the like feet up so that you could have the reveal be as like maximally potent as possible from a medic oh look it's John Krasinski you all wanted him in the role right it's like yeah but why'd you shoot him like this I don't know I don't get it if it was like in 10 years time you watched that and you would just be like man it was really weird how like they put all of this exaggerated emphasis on a pretty inconsequential like thing in this movie or at least in context now personally I would have had him stretch in but you know why would we want to see him stretch in this film why would we want to see him just a fantastic stretch I don't want to see him demonstrate any of his great intellect that he's supposed to have as well well they tell us he's smart isn't that good enough hey just like Dr. Strange yeah I'm a professor is Blackagard Baltigan is that his name Blackagard Baltigarden the greatest name oh my god is that Zach Snyder reference apparently that is the name it's made perfect sense in the comic books I was gonna say I've got no context for why he was named that it just sounds funny and then yeah Captain Marvel but not Brie Loss and it's Maria Rambo sure she'll be much less of a bitch yes and then yeah Reed Richards comes in out of all of these that's the one that people were most likely to be excited by so of course he's lost I guess it's interesting in terms of the choices because basically you've got like two MCU creations and then you've got two like hyper comic actor at least in terms of look like established characters I guess it's like an interesting ensemble in terms of how it is arranged because the Illuminati is supposed to be a collection of the smartest people right is that the idea yeah this is a general idea Iron Man is usually on the team isn't he and Namor that was the reason why it was speculated that there would be like superior Iron Man right because and they can't have Namor because he's gonna be in Black Panther they're not any smartest people who are just normal people which doesn't make sense by the way why couldn't they they could still have Namor even if he is in Black Panther cause you can just kill him here anyway well I mean especially since they had Mr. Fantastic who will be in it only to kill him like does feel a bit weird that you would not have him in there if that was an option available to you um and they got Anson Mountback as Black Bolt Black Agar from the inhuman show and you know they're gonna really utilize his talent here Mr. Black Agar I find it really funny that inhumans is broadly considered to be like a failure and a catastrophe and like a marble mistake but meanwhile just like all of this other stuff that's come out recently is just like it's fine not only as a fight some people think face war is like the best it's ever been oh how unfortunate did a mistake when there's probably a good chance that you watch inhumans it's like yeah it's bad but it's like not like the worst thing compared to what we've been getting lately um it's more just cringe it's just funny it's like normal bad oh no in the inhumans Medusa her power is hair she has really long and they shave her head oh yeah I don't have the money I just didn't feel like dealing with it I mean so like what was the deal like wasn't there like a few years ago when the inhumans got pushed really hard in the comics and like the X-Men were getting pushed to the sidelines because of rights stuff because of rights issues with the Fantastic Four and the X-Men they took two of their most popular comics that's some lame we don't have the rights to these movies so we're going to allow this to influence the comics and push them out that's super lame but I guess now they've given up right because now they've got X-Men back so they don't really want to do anything with the inhumans anymore no not really it looked good for like a second that's that's all they need I mean with as much money as this movie made I mean they got a point they don't need to explain anything well I guess it's uh that's the I guess it's an interesting strategy in this film because they have Charles in his animated series chair with the music black belt in this comic accurate costume but there's no reference to mutants or inhumans it's very clinical well it's just if you knew nothing about the comics I feel like you'd be very confused like so what is like Professor X who is he, what does he do what's the origin of his powers he's probably the least confusing because of the Fox movies if there are X-Men in this universe it's meant to be comprised of smart people why isn't it like Jean Grey or something like where's or Beast or like any number of the X-Men to be fair this really is it like how is Captain Carter and Captain Marvel here other than like it doesn't feel like of all when you're familiar with every smart person in Marvel and then you compare to like Captain Carter is probably something that would be really cool and we have Haley Atwell and we got the what if thing happening recently so it would be cool to have it there it was probably like I mean that's probably what it was yeah I mean don't get me wrong it's always nice to see Haley Atwell on screen again I mean I like Peggy Carter too I don't know about this character because the very little I've seen of her she's been we'll get there she's half the woman she used to be nice you cut to the core of the murder right there so so the Illuminati basically in this conversation try to explain because Doctor Strange is like confused he's like Scarlet Witch is coming the fuck are you guys doing and then they're like yeah first of all there's the part where she's like oh we'll handle your witch like your little witch fine acting by lasagna Lynch by the way just pop tears is her name actually lasagna it is to me that's Italian appropriation I didn't know I think it's gotta be pointed out that she is a smug bitch in every universe that is the reality that we've got no matter what the Bond films I don't know what it is with Captain Marvel but when you get the powers you become an asshole so yeah she's like we can handle your witch we'll remember that line whatever so yeah and then Reed is like Steven we're not worried about the Scarlet Witch's impact on this universe we're worried about you and he's like what and then they explain that they're Doctor Strange yeah it's such a weird thing to say to him like who could he might have no concept of any of the things that they're referring to and he's like look I am literally just here to warn you about this terrifying catastrophe that's coming your way like no we need to spend the next 20 minutes explaining what your predecessor did in our universe I would argue it makes some sense what they're saying but then it leads to breaking the entire film several times over when you really think of what they're saying unfortunately this what the extra we gave me was long thoughts about incursions, universes Doctor Strange, Wanda everything there's so much for us to talk about what are the rules of an incursion because Mr. Fantastic he lays it out, yeah he says that when you're in a universe that's not your own even through dreamwalking you leave a footprint and the larger the footprint the more likely you cause an incursion which can destroy that universe or that universe and yours that's what he says that destroys everything that we know about this film and everything that's going to happen because of course the dumbest thing that could be said and this whole movie comes out of Reed Richards right we're just saying something because there's already been some pretty dumb shit before this and we'll lay it all out do not, you worry but so first they say that and then he's like confused like Doctor Strange was like a fucking hero in your universe what's going on and then we hear Picard I almost want to call him Professor X oh my god I got Picard we should tell him the truth and tell him the truth stop doing this to him leave him alone let him read his shit let him be an old man it's the way Mordo introduces him as well it's like oh and I forgot to mention the final member of the council I just forgot you know why Professor X was fucking lost on his way he got lost on his way up and Mordo just didn't announce that he's lost he's like no it's fine we'll wait until he's here we'll let it all out he had to change out his catheter bag or something and it doesn't look like at all that there's six people acting like by themselves they aren't together they're all pieced it's seamless completely seamless Charles says the reality of their universe Doctor Strange isn't what you think it is we'll leave that for a sec come back to Wong and Scarlet Witch quickly and we'll be able to really get to the meat of the Illuminati but yeah all happens is Wanda's like oh goody we're so close to being able to fucking do everything I want and Wong is like I think she even says you worried about what's gonna happen to X Wong is like nah I'm ready to die it's just like well if you're ready to die he didn't have to let it give you the keys to the multi first before you kill yourself look can't you just be happy that your kids do exist in other universities and they're loved and that's great and then she just blasts him off the cliff yeah she tries to kill him it's hard to reconcile that with stuff that happens later but that's okay we'll get there film directly punishes him for saying something in this film that makes a level of sense which someone else then says later and is totally accepted you're not like to say it Wong I guess it would just be that a persistent problem in this film is conversation to end before they can actually like hash out a conclusion to them every time that someone asks Wanda a question that she has no answer to the conversation ends and there's a fight I think that's so much in movies when a scene cuts or when it gets interrupted right is like so conveniently so the writers don't have to actually have characters address these you know like go ahead I was just going to say I happen in Moon Knight as well Steven was having this conversation with Ethan Hawke it just it stops when he asks like the first question anybody would ask of somebody who has this fight system and we've got examples like I feel like I'm just going to sing the praises a little bit of civil war here the conversation Iman and Steve have about the state of Wanda it doesn't end because they run out of time or because a big fight starts or an explosion or anything they just come to the conclusion that Tony's version of keeping everyone safe involves prison essentially and Steve can't accept that Tony's like it's for the greater good because otherwise we'll all end up in prison that's just a fundamental disagreement there's no way forward once you do that and they have three conversations that all end that way but they've reached except for the first one which is interrupted by Peggy's death but of course the point being is that when your ideas are lopsided in terms of one side has the clearly superior ones you have to just cut the conversation off because it just doesn't work otherwise and yeah Wong highlights something that should have been highlighted fucking ages ago which is wait why do you need to kill America why can't you just use it to send you to the place you want to go which is funny because if she knew that America couldn't control her power then that would be the answer but for some reason the film's pretending that she doesn't know that when I thought she would have because America never uses it against the pasta monsters until I guess she just assumed she could control it this whole time I don't know because you'd think right if you were chasing America with these monsters that she would just open a portal and suck them in whenever they try to get it but she doesn't and it's like I don't know I mean I think my opening gambit wouldn't really be to send terrifying demon monsters after in the first place I know that's probably covering what you guys have spoken about before you're absolutely right it's so fucking stupid that the film tries to justify that but yeah as as you mentioned before this is the part where Wong says what can I just have her send you there and then she's like well if they get the flu I might need to travel across the multiverse to get a cure well you know someone America Chavez back to help you again or something you know I think it's just beyond you're insane and I think most people would be like well yeah the dark holds got a hold of it you're like right right right yeah right even at the end or at the beginning or everywhere else this is the part where we firmly established that every single wonder across the multiverse is happily married with children except for this one who has now gone insane oh my goodness she does she does use the line I'm sure it's to the effect of yeah every other me every other version of me has got these kids and I don't and that sucks and that's why I want them I mean I was going to say I can't remember what her lines are specifically but I guess you can argue she's filtered the dark holds representation of worlds to show her the ones where she's happily with her kids which to be fair they would be infinite of those maybe next time maybe in infinite number of universes where you don't exist or where like one of them doesn't exist when she's choosing I'm willing to agree like okay yeah she can find a whole bunch of them but when she's not when she's doing it as a result of like someone's gone somewhere and she chases them still ends up with a wonder who's with her family it's like okay that's just is that a universal constant except for you find a real boyfriend to have sex with everyone's wondering who the dad is is it vision is it a human vision what's what's going on why does he not exist in any of these universes like where did he go didn't want to bring vision I assume it's worse than that I think they just didn't want him in they didn't want the family members like the mum the dad the brother or vision they wanted them all out they wanted to focus on the kids yeah keep it as simple and easy as possible to deal with they went too many men so we then move on oh well it's the temple the power she's fucking launching it back up yeah sorry Wong did get booped off the cliff he totally died but you know he didn't die I thought he was dead I thought that like he was dead because you die from that when you run off a mountain you generally die from that I mean he even landing on the ledge as he does like he fell hundreds of feet I don't know how he landed on that ledge you get shown how far he fell later in the film because they zoom out from the whole cliff he's dead there's just nothing he could have done there's nothing to roll off it's just a tiny little ledge where I guess he just face planted and somehow remains there and he's okay she also has the ability to see shortly to disintegrate people or turn them into spaghetti or whatever like if she just wants him dead why not just do that why did she just knock him off the cliff and take the chance that he might survive that fall and it's a great thing to point out because it's like wait a minute yeah didn't we say that we theorize that she would keep on a hold of him for leverage and then she just kills him it's like uh I guess that theory is gone I'm trying to help you film you keep ruining it why would you let us help you so she accesses the dark hold power in the walls and she grabs up wander and starts flying and it's just like yeah as we went over earlier like if you are a significant distance away from the Illuminati base you're never getting there in time but I'm sure she's right next to it so don't worry about it yeah she was pretty close worry about it um the Illuminati talk about how they're Doctor Strange this is where we'll get to talking about how much this is broken they're Doctor Strange worked with them to make the Illuminati real cool great excellent Thanos comes along he's like I'm gonna destroy everything and they're like oh god what do we do we don't have anything that can take him out which is interesting to think about because it's like can't Professor Axe alone take him out or even Black Bolt like his all he's gotta do like I've looked into the upper limits of his scream he screams at full volume he could shatter planets apparently like he's that he's a pretty powerful dude another OP character we have in this well I guess had for a little while Black Bolt and Professor Axe could take out Thanos unless he has the Infinity Gauntlet the other hand sort of thing and that's the problem with the Infinity Gauntlet that even goes back to Infinity War he's got the reality gem Infinity like whenever you want well yeah I guess we're supposed to assume then that they were like we need a surefire way to take him out instead of you know a risk alright so Doctor Strange in the Universe goes looking through the Darkhold and he's dreamwalking he tries to find different ways that other universes may have dealt with Thanos on paper if they're describing this story to me I'd be like okay that sounds reasonable and then if they were like but he knew the Darkhold was evil I'd be like oh well that's a problem and it doesn't sound like what they say that their Dark, their Dark Strange knew why using the Darkhold would be a bad thing to do he's using it, he's trying to find ways to defeat Thanos and um they fucking cut to Captain Marvel who's like and he used the Darkhold to try and find a solution he didn't find one but he kept doing it anyway probably he didn't find one yet you stupid bitch it's the stupidest fucking line like what of course he keeps trying why would he not keep trying yeah it's like he was looking for his car keys he couldn't find them but he kept looking not even man once again it was in the last place I was like she says it like as a criticism of his character when to me it's just like so he's a good man then to keep trying even though it seems futile like she's allergic to people being good it's like the world's greatest multiverse's most horrific turbo kind and so eventually he comes to them Dark Strange and says I'm sorry I've destroyed a universe as a result of Dreamwalking and the way Richard says it he's like you our friend like stop trillions of lives and I was like but you just explained it to us as though he had no idea that was possible like it's horrible I agree but like and then they say he renounces the Darkhold and never use it again I was like what else can he do he's done everything right he tried to save the world it cost a universe and he has now said we cannot use the Darkhold even if it means saving our universe like this guy he's on point so far seems to be a real stand up guy you guys are lucky to have him on the Illuminati I wonder how this story ends it's the implication from there that it's corrupted him he realises it's corrupting him and he knows that there's no way back from it and that's why he's like I can't be elected continue no no because what you're saying would be a way better fucking story but they don't give us this is kind of why I'm building it up this way I'm very frustrated with what they tell us is the truth about all of this the grim reality of why they had to make this choice I'm almost there right so he works with them then after renouncing the book to find the book of Vishanti which is essentially just the good book it's the book that is full of spells they literally explain that it can just give you a spell that will destroy any enemy no matter what power scaling is so fucking annoying really useful they make it sound like the infinity stones combined are like the ultimate power no the book of Vishanti beats that the infinity stones are in a dress or somewhere being paper weights but the book of Vishanti which I assume the TVA has many copies of as well probably a book faithful so even though there's only well I'll say that for later they use it to defeat Thanos and there's a bit of contention over this but I'm telling you this is what they say is the reality so you have the child say that Thanos was defeated but one threat still remained and then he plays the clip inflation and they show them killing their doctor strange after saying I'm sorry and I'll miss you old friend stuff like that and it's like so you might wonder like so what exactly did they kill him for and the assumption a lot of people have made along with myself to be fair is that as long as he's alive there's a risk of incursion to the universe I thought that's what the problem was but it's not that's not quite how incursions work it's only when he's dream walking that it can risking an incursion on his own universe when he's not doing that it's fine and so if it's like so if it wasn't that what was it and it's like well you just listen to all Captain Carter he said like because they're talking about what is to happen with our strange or why they even have a problem with our strange and this line when he wrote this line he made a huge mistake she says we made a difficult choice because we knew what he was capable of what all strangers are capable of all of them welcome to Minority Report but even worse actually because they don't have proof they just tell you that's what you're going to do and then kill you so to be clear she's saying they made the difficult choice of killing strange because we knew what he was capable of as in they think he might do something evil with the Darkhold again maybe it's worth pointing out that these because all of them well apart from Peggy are kind of supremely powerful in their own right they're all capable of causing enormous amounts of destruction if you know they get seduced by some kind of dark power or they fall victim to hubris or greed or whatever are they all supposed to just wipe each other out because they could potentially do something bad well it's surprising that nobody highlighted like you're killing him because he has the potential to do great damage so that's really evil I don't know if anyone has ever told you guys this why does this movie shit on strange like so consistently it shits on not just Dr Strange but multiple versions of Dr Strange every version the heroic guy who was like protecting the entire multiverse right at the beginning and he's portrayed as some kind of betrayer really fucking annoying he made the only rational choice exactly so that they describe this whole story and then you find out that superior strange gives his life just because his friends believe he might do something evil and he agrees to this jeez what a legend you did everything right yeah yeah and so they explain you're a Stephen Strange you're not in your normal universe so the longer you're here the more you're likely to cause incursions and we're deciding whether or not to kill you and the vibe is they're gonna kill him yeah absolutely and I just it's unbelievable it's fucking horrifying you're just gonna wipe him out because you believe that he could do evil things because his alternate self did when you know if you know anything about multiverse everyone's gonna be different every time you have no idea what to expect you don't know what's gonna happen all grand calculus of the multiverse unfortunately there's a theme running through this film that Stephen Strange in every universe has to be holding the knife and he has to be the one in control and that leads to more people dying it's an arc he's going on okay I think they're trying to say something here it's like they can't have him be the one that calls the shots all the time when like he's trying to save the will it's always so stupid they never actually have the argument out no if not him then who else why is anyone more uniquely qualified to be in control of anything than Strange like why is that a negative that he wants to be in control of things that he's actually quite qualified to help out with think of the sacrifices he's made he died like a bazillion times to Dormammu to save the universe he gave himself up with the Thanos incident yeah he doesn't know anything about sacrifice oh yeah true sorry about that even though he's meant to be the best of them at least in the ancient ones opinion the ancient ones opinion while she was dumb obviously no he likes it fell through a window or whatever so yeah that's all dumb but then you're like wait a minute anybody who's not from the native universe can cause incursions with their footprint so it's like so America is gradually destroying every single universe and it's just like the film does not want to address that it's like what no if this is the case you should be very concerned about Wanda coming to this universe it's so hard to get all this down sort of as a whole because there's so many things to think about at once with how stupid everything they said is Wanda once she's been prophesied to destroy the entire multiverse right in an alternate universe is that not worrying enough that you should be keeping an eye on your doctor strange say hey you killed me for being corrupted by the dark old she's corrupted by the dark old right now professor X and you guys you fucking idiots the ones that told me that she can dreamwalk to get me here so why don't you care why are you doing nothing about this they're like well we're more concerned about you the one who was chased here and the one who's currently chained up and incapable of doing anything at this moment and not the one of the two people we have who can actually travel through the multiverse at will it's all backward none of it makes any sense at all and these are supposed to be hyper intelligent people at the very least he could suggest like look you know deal with Wanda first right put all your resources into sorting her out and stopping her and we can resolve this thing with me later once all that has been dealt with and we've protected the entire multiverse then you can decide whether or not you're going to kill me yeah because you could even be like look I get I understand the attitude just kind of but like you got bigger fish to fry like with everything you just told me you know if they were aware of like the because it was more who told them about dreamwalking why didn't the Illuminati like do anything to preemptively prevent the Wanda thing if they're shown to be this ruthless why didn't they just go to her house and kill her so that she working on their big entrances you know they're like okay professor X you're going to win later for more dramatic entrance it just doesn't match up because they don't care about the witch that's what they keep saying is like who fucking is whatever why not why not she's not a big deal we're just going to yell at her with like even though she's actively possibly causing an incursion by simply being here right now they don't she wants to kill you they should be sending like all their Ultron bots to her house to figure out what's going on there exactly they have all the reason to think she's on the way it's so weirdly done and it's because we're just trying to set up the big action scene where they'll die that's that's all it is nice so ever does it ever explain what actual circumstances lead tone incursion because it seems to be like being there as we were saying there being there seems to raise the risk of it happening but then it might not happen at all yeah being there that causes an incursion it's the risk it might happen if you're there to be honest with what they've described it should have been one in no way home all those people from different universes just fucking around that should have caused an incursion if one dude dream walking can cause an incursion I mean they didn't talk to each other that's what happened they didn't talk to each other no way home kind of breaks it in a lot of ways because that established that beforehand that America's Shaves powers are not actually 100% unique because under certain circumstances you can just pull people out from the multiverse you don't really necessarily need to wanna just pull your children in by fucking up a spell do it that'll be great but yeah nothing they say makes any sense in terms of what they tell us means that America needs to leave the dimension she used to go back to hers like at all costs but nobody behaves that way in this whole film I think they're gonna forget that incursion rule going forward I don't think they'll care anymore and just to be clear we're using fringy rules in a zen game video that we're not gonna bring up Loki at all I'm talking about very you can bring it up here I don't have any issues with that why don't bring up Loki and Endgame is because the rules they contradict each other and it's just too difficult to try and account for them well it's just everything was Kang that's like but in this case I guess we have to because Loki caused the multiverse in the Marvel he calls dreaming to happen yep there were no dreams before that that was a really bad idea to have dreaming be a mechanic people said me I had several DMs this is evidence that dreaming has taken place in the MCU before Loki happened as a show and I'm like no I know I believe you Iron Man 3 comes to mind he keeps flashing back it's like a big deal that happened but I don't need to be shown in the film to recognize people have dreams it's a biological process it's not even so stupid but alright crazy I know I can't believe you guys aren't gonna believe this an alarm goes off turns out Wander is assaulting their base and we see Ultron just getting fucking wrecked he stands no chance which she did fare pretty well against him in Age of Ultron but she was also with the entire Avenger team but also Age of Ultron is a really bad movie one of the problems with Age of Ultron is that they don't seem to understand the prime Ultron and the sub Ultrons they all like the same entity Ultron why would you make like a million shit robots and then one really cool robot instead of just making like a bunch of really cool vibranium robots and the same applies here do they have access to vibranium presumably why don't you just create a bunch of really awesome vibranium Ultron bots she tears my part with telekinesis so I guess they can't be vibranium because she can't do I don't think she can just I don't know if the robots are made out of vibranium this is normal wonder though yeah that's what I'm saying I don't think normal wonder could pull apart pieces of vibranium normal wonder like pulled out Ultron's little robot heart but that was like after being completely and utterly destroyed and was immobile yeah and it looked like she pulled a vibranium core that was connected by like tubes and stuff not necessarily that she ripped vibranium apart but maybe she did maybe I'm just being a little like fine maybe she can do that it's just Ultron was useless at the point is that if those robots were made out of vibranium the Illuminati would have destroyed all of them in every universe because of what they were capable of true wouldn't want evil Ultron fucking dreamwalking into these nice Ultrons would you I'm sure it's possible so what we would call dreamwalking like like sleep mode walking or power save walking I don't know there's a computer joke in there somewhere awkwardly walk off to go fighter except for Mordo and Charles even though Mordo is the daughter of supreme yeah Mordo is a fucking cowardly little bitch that's all he is in this movie we know this of course he doesn't want to get involved in the fight he's scared but then like the weirdest bit of there's loads of really shit dialogue in this he threw me off completely and I'm assuming it's similar for you guys Charles just said Steven if you should escape this facility please make your way to the Book of Bishanti like he's a fucking quest giver and it's like I'm sorry were you gonna kill me a second ago yeah yeah yeah that was fucking bizarre Mordo is the audience he's like what the hell are you saying what yeah if he wants him to do that why doesn't he release him from the constant why is he still standing there I thought I missed something while I was in the cinema cause all of a sudden he's like I'm gonna help you now I was like wait why oh yeah it's like oh no no we're gonna kill you now never mind sorry we she lost it's funny cause like there's just no other way for them to do this scene they need to just have it be that strange gets out of here so like he gets the Book of Bishanti information off Charles because and then Mordo's like why are you saying this Charles is like I believe we can trust him oh ok does he say that we should we should them all give a second chance blah blah blah whatever think about this for a little bit longer right you'd be like well Charlie wouldn't have done that without the surely he would agree that the whole council should sign off not just him unless of course he thinks they're all about to die unless he thinks they're all about to die which are he should be making different choices right now yes judging from his dialogue a little bit later their deaths was not something that he was expecting so we're supposed to assume he's like while they're off killing Scarlet Witch easily I'm gonna hope you get out of here like it doesn't make sense at all it's a total like something went wrong either in the right or the shooting you got to account for something and you're like oh shit we can't re-shoot this it's completely fucked and I just thought it was hilarious cause it's like he just switched characters yeah he's something else now it's like ok well the explanation is pretty obvious he has the fucking dementia clearly when you realize that there's an infinite amount of versions of you that can potentially be dream walking into you at any time then it's always an excuse whenever you act out of character isn't it so Christine realizes the base is under attack and then she says everyone get out of here and then struggles for like 10,000 years trying to open up America's box I don't know why why can it just be a single button or something it should be an emergency slam dunk open up what if there's a fucking fire hazard surely you have a way of opening these things up you have the control panel but she's typing away for fucking ages just like I can't do it you opens up strangers you don't even type anything cause she starts normally and can't do it but then like halfway through it gets scrambled by Wanda I think why didn't you do it from the get go so we don't have this confusing thing where she's gonna be stupid this whole time you're completely right it should have been the second that the facility started to go she looks at her screen and they're all going fuzzy and it's like oh shit she's tampered with the digital whatever like easy but nope nope nope nope oh some people saying he could have read his mind though and this is like yeah so if he's read his mind then he should really release him if that's good enough but if it's not he would have already done that and why wouldn't that be that should be step one for the council meeting if that's the thing he can do or does do cause it's a thing I don't know if they have ethical reasons against it but I mean they might not report people so I doubt it yeah no they don't which takes us to the scene here we are the scene gala witch is heading to America's box and then why is everyone giggling and you know it's like when they all like oh no the down syndrome of edges I can kill you captain carter black bolt captain marvel reed rich is all assemble to ask wander nicely to stop which is fucking insane you've lost your element of surprise already against a woman that could annihilate you if you're not careful good job hey wander here's our most dangerous weapon here he is here he goes why are they even trying to negotiate where they're in this light like what do they think they're going to achieve by talking her down hopefully she'll just go home unfortunately you've convinced me you can't present the Illuminati as being so ruthless that they would kill their own friend who he didn't even do anything but they wouldn't kill this wonder yeah there's no way especially the multiverses at stake and that's their through line as well we gotta do what's like expedient to like save the world even if it means crossing lines they're gonna kill her why would you take any chances they know evil wander is currently dream walking in this wonder they even address her as though they are aware of that that means that by their logic she is currently causing incursions or at least risk of incursions so you have to delete her as soon as possible there's nothing else to this I would even go as far as saying if I was on the council and they said ok so for as long as she's awake and walking around inhabiting this body our entire universe could be destroyed do you think we should kill her? I'd be like unfortunately we may have to or at the very least try to subdue her right off the bat like stun her and knock her out that's my point though is even if you subdue her she's still occupying the body so there's this unfortunate realization that either we tempt her to leave the body which is incredibly unlikely or we kill her to prevent that from ever being a thing they opt to talk to her let's remember in this moment we really need to remember how Reed Richards was introduced as the world's smartest man world's smartest man if they wanted to make her go away what Reed could have said is like hey wonder by being here you're going to cause an incursion that'll kill your kids you got to leave otherwise you're going to kill them that's something they could try if you're not going to kill her immediately then you should try and find ways to get her to leave that can leverage things that she cares about with you having said that I feel like I'm now prompted to say you've highlighted we're almost to the point where you've highlighted why this whole movie doesn't even work not even there yet guys we know the rules wonder wants to put her let's call it 616 self into a different universe forever which naturally will cause an incursion and kill everyone there it doesn't work yep literally her whole plan can't work with what Reed Richards knows and so he could just tell her that he could be like I'm sorry to tell you but there's nothing you're doing here even if you kill all of us it'll only result in the destruction of everything you can't have what you want you just can't it'll destroy you it'll destroy your kids it'll destroy everything you can't have it this is what happens when you create really short sighted rules to solve one particular problem in your screenplay and then it just causes a million other problems further down the line you have to think when you're writing a story you have to think through how any choice that you make narratively when it comes to a character decision or like a world building element or a plot point it doesn't exist in a vacuum like it's influences going to spread throughout the film or throughout the book or throughout the TV show you have to account for all of these things you can't just are you sure that this doesn't exist in a vacuum because everything in this movie sucks well it's just it's just that um the little you might think I get it I get it thank you you might think that it doesn't matter but like these choices narratively ripple out um why am I reminded of hyperspace trackers for some reason no there's a couple people in chat who are like yeah she's gonna kill the wander and replace her and it's like okay to go through this again you are like branded with your universes I don't know if I can mojo when you go to another one that is automatically starting up in the incursion process and the longer you're there the more likely it begins as opposed to you know is possibly happening so no matter what Wanda does if she goes to a universe that isn't her own she's put a clock on it every time and nobody a doctor strange and read riches neither of them tell her this which is the biggest reason to stop her crazy plan you should know it um they don't tell her that because they really dumb people that line from read riches about incursions it just destroys everything nothing works nothing did work but nothing works anymore not anymore when it comes to multiverse you've really blocked yourself up from like ever fully leveraging multiverse now because every time it'll be like you can't be here that'll cause an incursion you can't like fully lean into the multiverse or have characters from different universes exist in other universes for a long time I don't know why you would make the choice to have this be the way that universes work you just you've really got a lot of yourself over quite a bit but they got them a really nice set of visuals in the earth it acts so yeah that bothers me as well by the way because how is that a destroyed universe when they can clearly still exist and walk around I guess they're saying it's in the process of being destroyed it's got like X amount of time left cause everything's still got oxygen in there I don't know how it works that way little red lines flying around what are those things so what's that doesn't that mean then that America Shavas is dooming our universe like yeah I went over this bit earlier she is and nobody seems to realize this I think it's because the film doesn't understand cause I said that there's only one of her it's like sure but like she comes from a universe this is not her native universe so she's gonna have a bad mojo but because she's got this unique ability to cross over them like does that make her somehow immune to the maybe but I feel like they'd have to I was gonna say would you want to take that risk they can't know that she has the potential to cause great harm well we know what happens to people like that exactly all of us like found out one of our friends America Shavas who joined us recently has the potential to destroy our entire universe just by being here and she can leave at any point I'd be like um get the fuck out I don't even want to damn another universe to that no no no because you remember by the time of the end of the film she can choose where her portals go send it back to her universe oh yeah that's right someone in chat said why would one to believe read it's like well remember this is assuming that they don't just kill us straight away like this is if they decide that they want to talk oh yeah this is the best argument they can make it's the best argument they can make and I mean surely they'd be able to have like evidence of this they could even be like it's in the dark hold like did you not read that part or just any number like if you're gonna say anything you can't just say hey please can you please stop like you gotta do better than that and I was gonna say why would you even highlight like oh why would she believe it they've tried reasoning with her over and over again so we already know that they would give this a shot and they don't try their greatest argument they often don't try their greatest argument because the writers know they can't all the writers are unaware which is more likely that he didn't realize that these were arguments that could be put forth and believe us chat we're gonna get into the more tactical options that they oh we'll sorely neglect we're right here now so uh this scene is so fucking terrible it's like be chill I know kids are cool I have my own and then she's like do they have a mother that's still alive but he's like yeah the good someone can raise them it's like read if you needed any more of a red flag buddy but also just like on a more broad level you gotta understand it's really hard for me to ever have much investment in a character who someone's like hey I have a family and they're like oh I'm still gonna kill you anyway you know sucks for you it's like mad like damn wonder like yep my god you're a really bad person and then comes the legendary line um you know I I don't even know like because there's some people listening to this who have no idea what happens next there's gonna be at least one person in chat who's like listening to this as the story unravels they're picturing in their head the four superheroes standing across from Scarlet Witch and they may have some awareness maybe we should do this first Captain Marvel is almost as far as we are aware quote unquote indestructible and has like the power to just blast through basically everything so she's pretty powerful I say that it's like surely it really is a thing that like Captain Marvel may well be as strong or stronger than the Scarlet Witch I don't see why she wouldn't be I'm willing to agree that they might draw but there's no way that Captain Marvel loses because she has the indestructible element while Scarlet Witch does not yeah Captain Marvel flew through Thanos' ship and like blew it up she's she has to be the strongest right yes yeah um but obviously I'm just trying to run through them quickly Captain Carter kind of kind of weak compared to Scarlet Witch so she's not really you need to worry about her Black Bolt for those don't know well someone here is probably better much better suited than I am to explain Black Bolt's powers I guess anybody want to take that one yeah Black Bolt could have just opened his mouth at any time and fucking vaporized her but what are his like what's his power other than that uh not much I mean you know fly I thought he had like some kind of strength or agility thing he can fly yeah yeah all he had to do was go hey bitch and he would have been dead she's like she's like what can you do he just says cunt that's the word he uses to kill her with that would be great cunt love it cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt her witchcraft protector from this like if he had like screamed at her I doubt it magic of course had to move really fast yeah she probably needs to know it's coming to be able to defend herself from it um right if only though maybe if someone could tell her I don't know anyway the the next person in line would be read Richard's okay now Gary you can explain his power set go right ahead okay well he's stretchy and really really fast and um I mean they didn't explain it in this movie but he is the smartest man in the marvel universe because his brain doesn't work like a human brain it's it's the same aspect of his as his powers so his brain can basically quick and stretchy quick and stretchy can he can think things out quicker than anybody and he would have figured out a way to snap her neck it would have been just that easy he's like that's uh it's weird that they're this late into it and like the stretching effects were no better chris gore pointed this out no better than they were in the fucking fantastic tim story fantastic four movie when like elastigirl in the Pixar films is rad like the way they show the stretchy part powers yeah easily I remember talking about that with you because uh she's really fast in Incredibles when she punches people and stuff it goes like that's how she's stretching but in this movie and in the mother stuff he'll go is this going for this like oh man that's going to be you coming for me yeah it's like Austin Powers in front of her yes oh no yeah it's it's it's pathetic so and yeah yeah with with all of that known right that's the power set how in the fucking world is the Scarlet Witch yeah how is the Scarlet Witch going to defeat this team well Reed Richards is a very gracious man he's like you know what I've given her every chance in the book now it's time to let her know that she she's not looking great in this fight I'd like to let her know about my friend and his powers and how they work in order to mind as well as said you look fat in those blows him up immediately yeah I don't like I said I don't know how Reed Richards explains to the Scarlet Witch what black bolts powers are and what she needs to do to kill him pretty much yeah and then he does that one of the most frustrating things in the MCU this man alive and the defense for this is Reed Richards has never been street smart so god a year so even ignoring street smart it's nobody said that tell me please nobody said that yeah no that's actually the most popular defense of this moment read a comic book for fuck's sake I didn't know that this is street smart I was like is this combat isn't that like one of the most important aspects of his critical thinking yeah so because Wanda she is just so down with the streets what are they appealing to what is street smart about revealing tactical advantages if we categorize it as like book smart vs street smart I think tactics relating to wall goes into book smarts defeated Dr. Doom like a bunch of times he's not street smart yeah but let's think about how black bolt ultimately dies realizes that his mouth is sealed he realizes it and despite having spent most of his life you know probably very conscientiously never using his vocal folds for some reason when he's in a position where using his powers would be an instant suicide button he decides to let off a little that's one little humiliation before they give the maximum humiliation so there's a lot to touch the fucking scene was to humiliate you're humiliating Dr. Strange about his whole fucking movie you kill the the Illuminati the ones who were there in order of privilege it's fucking retarded we haven't even got to the ladies who just stood there and did nothing we'll talk about that in a second I guess to touch on the black bolt thing so first of all yeah meme you're totally right given that if ever he opens his mouth and speaks it all there's a risk that somebody dies I imagine he's very careful like he's constantly aware of what he's doing and what he's saying and so the fact that he would let out a little scream it's like okay for whatever panic there is I think that he would be so in control of that aspect of him that he wouldn't do that but even if he did why would it reflect off of his mouth and blow a skull up why wouldn't it just blow his face off like why wouldn't he well you should blow through his lips and he should survive yeah he should survive well does this mean is it that he makes sound or is it that he opens his mouth which is it what does the power stem from speaking or opening his mouth speaking okay so like so that means the power travels through his biology at least to some degree and he's immune to the damage from it until it reaches his skull if he closes his mouth and goes does that blow his head presumably yes presumably that explodes his head does it well the problem is we don't have enough to work with other than knowing it'll smash through his skin and flesh but it won't it won't smash through that but it will smash through his skull well because if the noise is coming up your throat if the noise is traveling because that's when it comes to his nose yeah wouldn't it it could come out yeah we'd go out his nose he'd blow two walls into the floor yeah I think you're right it should have gone out his nose and if not it should have blasted through his lips and it should have hurt like hell but that should have happened before it blows up his skull it should be pointed out that his tuning fork is on his head that's how he directs the fork on his head so when they close his mouth in the shell yeah that's how he directs his power alright well okay I mean I don't know it's not anything I thought about I thought about the thing taking rock shits but I haven't thought about their stuff well let's think about Mr. Fantastic's powers for a second he could probably make his fingers really sharp right so he would just be like oh sorry this is going to hurt black balls I'm going to cut you a new mouth hole and then suddenly he's got the ability to shout again yeah please don't scream when I do I wouldn't say a minute that happened to black bull then captain marvel could have shot her fucking galactic beams at her and frider because captain marvel unless it's different is essentially the way they've amped up her power over she's the superman of the marvel universe yeah I think the moment yeah the moment they see what she does to to black bull it's like it should be just full attack with everything that you have for those who don't know because there are some who don't know in this chat right now listen I'm sure of it you're thinking to yourself so black balls just been killed his head fucking blown off essentially three heroes remaining what do they do well Captain Carter does nothing Captain Marvel does nothing Reed Richards does the best move he's got slowly moves towards her with his stretch and really slowly at which point he has turned into spaghetti by Wanda just a little while from the ends of his limbs up the ends of his limbs up yes not from his head painfully the painful demise of Reed Richards and then right as the spagatification of his head would have happened she explodes it yeah it's just like a little pop like a comic you'll move finish him off that's the beginning and end of Reed Richards his first appearance in the Marvel Cinematic Universe here's my biggest problem though and it goes far beyond this scene is if Wanda has the ability to you know so someone's mouth shot or just turn them into spaghetti and vaporize them with a single thought why would she ever fight anyone physically in any way no idea drinking to the big fucking said she's she hasn't killed Doctor Strange and Wong like ten times when she easily could imagine if Strange is going up against her in the finale she just looks at him and just instantly vaporizes him I'll just press my apparently multiple insta kill buttons and just win this is the thing this is the deep-powered Scarlet Witch that did this yeah she's not even Darkhold Witch or Scarlet Witch Witch just Wanda she's a good people effortlessly so like the super duper powerful Scarlet Witch should be like in our contest right and she certainly wouldn't waste time on someone like Captain Carter and yet she ends up fighting her like this is a hand-to-hand gladiator contest I guess it's because we almost skim pasta Reed Richard dies a horrible death and nobody does anything to stop it yeah they still haven't reacted at all they watch him get shredded slowly they're screaming it's very unpleasant and they're just not doing anything to help him and I would be surprised if this is how it went down they shot the scenes with the separate actors and they didn't tell them what was going on probably they probably told them the sudden death for both your friends that's all it is with some of Captain Marvel's reaction they basically told her it looks like Scarlet Witch you're mild insult that's the way she reacts she absolutely does not react yeah she doesn't react the way that she should given her like colleague has just died a horrible death, Captain Carter reacts more like the way that you would she looks shocked and stunned which is something but yeah, Captain Marvel looks like she's saying okay you've made me angry now yeah which is like dude two of your friends have just died I guess they are our friends no I guess they were bringing up you mentioned it apparently these people did not shoot together it may well have been that John Krasinski wasn't there at the same time as everybody else that's why they never look directly at each other oh yeah they totally did not shoot any of these scenes together they were all separate you could tell yeah it's all good in the council chambers alone one way to make movies they just shoot individually against a fucking green screen how else would we get these fucking cameos drink of Jesus Marvel films are cartoons now that's all they are, I mean like nobody's wearing costumes I'm sorry I shouldn't leave cartoons alone Marvel has to be their own their own special little thing Marvel films are just their own little category they are chasing like green fucking tennis balls everywhere on sticks and in a green room being shot separately which I guess is funny to say that because like Avatar 2 they got the trailer and I already know that with that film they like actually shot underwater for the underwater stuff like they did motion capture underwater they developed the technology over the course of like a year and a half to do it accurately we have to acknowledge that Marvel is on a horrible easy level production limit yeah because Avatar did that motion capture shooting for this film like four years ago this film has had like years of post production and I mean it already shows in that trailer it's super impressive I mean it looks nice it's quite a trailer we're in this weird awkward world like I kind of this Avatar movie man James Cameron has really wanted to make it for like a decade he's invested years into it I mean that's kind of interesting yeah and the MC stuff just feels like just this corporate sludge that gets put out and every once in a while we might get lucky and have some piece of creativity or artistry in it but see when we're talking about shit reactions to like non-existent monsters I know you guys will have talked about this already but that moment when America Java is running away from the giant squid monster in New York the look on her face is so like I don't even know what I'm supposed to be doing right now there's a lot of bad compositing in this film there's like a lot of shots where you can tell it's like ooh that doesn't look real my topic would be the them on Titan oh that looks awful wow they're starting to use more for our films the that light stage thing that they use for Mando which it seems to be the main issue is it's hard to do lighting to match the lighting with it maybe it's just because you didn't even know where it was going to be there's no idea nobody talks to each other nobody knows what's coming nobody knows story assembly line asks and nobody talks to each other at different places the only person who seems to know what's going on all the time is like Kevin Feige but it doesn't share that with everybody by the sounds of it so it's like how do you how do you reliably tell stories when you have no idea like where things can act but this is the fun part they don't well they don't but they don't need to well it doesn't matter right because look at this yeah this one's made a ton of money and just in case because I actually think we may have actually just gone over the main point because there's so many points to make Reed Richards did something incredibly stupid that's very very very stupid it's can be understated how fucking retarded that was this guy can stretch anything anywhere let me grab I'ma grab you with my hand you're almost curious like what do you think you would have wrapped his fingers around her but like gotcha no the chick explodes yeah really well something I want to say about how Professor X could have been utilized but I think I should we should wait yeah we'll go there don't worry about that because we we've got the Captain Marvel right so once Reed has been exploded and as we've talked about there should be the fate of these other two the music starts up and the fight begins it's like hang on why why is there even a fight how could that possibly happen and yeah the Scarlet Witch manages to go toe-to-toe with Captain Carter a super soldier with a dinner plate as Jay Longbone put it how how is this happening like you should just be dead there's nothing to do or Captain Carter would be able to fight her this is white it's not happening but yes they have an extended fight scene all I'm going to say is the first half of the fight scene we see she fucking torpedoes a statue into Captain Marvel and it like pins her against a wall it smashes right in but that's something that happens to her and she's fine after it okay absolutely fine really if this was the real Captain Marvel her getting hit with that statue wouldn't even stop her like she would just blast right through it remember in her origin story movie before she even fully understood the breadth of her power she like just flew through a ship that was charging right towards her and it did nothing Captain Marvel is incredibly powerful like a statue I think it's so to say that she was impoverished of statues she would basically hyper drive straight through Scarlet Witch and blast her into atoms pretty much that would be her dead she can fly at light speed so she can kill her before she can even blink which is something should be dubbed by all of them but that's fine we cut back to Mordo being pissy just being like they're going to come back and judge you soon and Doctor Strange is like they're all dying and he's like Nuh uh dude access your fucking ultra on bot security there's no way she killed all of them watch your teammate die and then have it confirmed but we'll get to that anyway we cut back to the fight access your telepath god damn it cut back to the fight and for some reason Scarlet Witch and Captain Carter are having like close combat back and forth it's like what why it's like how do I was just fucking no you don't understand this is her being reasonable okay all right my bad when Carter like lunges at her and smashes the shield into her face would that not cave her skull in like that was the point where I just realized that Wanda is no longer a glass cannon she's just got super resilience seemingly yeah because that should have absolutely killed her it's like indestructible your skull is destructible you know if one of these things is going to break it's you think as it may be it is quite vulnerable and then for some reason it's with Captain Carter that she says this but we know exactly why she says haven't you had enough Wanda says that which is weird to me but it prompts a line that one you all love I could do this all day Steve said the thing take it back it's like they completely forgot why that line has meaning it's not just a line that he says randomly and well no the first time he says it is when he's fighting a dude who he cannot be yeah it's in the alleyway isn't it when he's like skinny Steve yeah it's a line that's said basically acknowledging I'm probably losing here but my spirit ain't broken yeah it's the core of his character right there in that single line yep whereas it's like is it the core of Peggy's character it's like no Peggy has other things going on for her she has a different this is kind of my the best compromise I can give maybe I could see it that she can deliver that line in a scene that would make it meaningful but we haven't been given any of the context for that all we've got here all we've got here is can you like from Steve can I have it please no actually give her our own line what does it have to do with you anything is there anything in the story we don't even know what do they assume you've seen the what if story and if so there's nothing in that Steve could have inspired her to say the line in the what if story and that would be something but that doesn't happen this is just desperate attempts to milk something out of these characters that are on screen for about four minutes there's no chance to get to know none of them we can't possibly care about them it's gotten so superficial the writing that if someone picks up that shield then they have to say that line hey I do this all day I wouldn't be surprised if fucking Falcon says it in Captain America 4 but it's pretty funny that she says I can do this all day and then 10 seconds later she dies yep I don't know if that was on purpose or like if that was well because the music reflects that of like tragedy when she dies but it's funny like what she dies in like the stupidest of all the ways you could have killed her that would have made sense this isn't one of them Cap getting his shield thrown back at him is one of the things that he can deal with yeah he'll catch it or like it won't chop him in half and they the editing is so garbage they try to imply that Cap didn't throwes it covering from the throw by the time it reaches Scarlet Witch and then she like pauses when she grabs it then spins and then throws it back and for some reason they reset Captain Carter to be turning her back to her recovering yeah it's bullshit that's the reason she dies is because they like undo her ability to react to stuff it's just like the universe bends to make her fail and she's already easy to beat for Scarlet Witch you don't need to cripple her it's pretty lame honestly it's actually it's actually kind of lame that you would have be like hey yeah Captain Carter and then that's how she dies being an idiot but they're all idiots so you know whatever yeah and then it's just after this it's like ah now Captain Marvel breaks free if she had broken free a little bit earlier she could have saved a friend but she couldn't and how she doesn't really have friends amongst these people how short is she that one of three of her four friends are now have perished painfully it's like oh get out of my universe it's like that's a weird thing to say yeah like if she'd been absolutely infuriated and just gone at her with everything she had like okay that would be better oh yeah you want like a scream if anything yeah like she's just like a revenge and snow yeah Lashana Lynch maybe she was just didn't see it the problem is that the line was just delivered by Fringy it's like it's essentially that she just says get out of my universe like oh god what the fuck I feel like it's why can't you give her a character like an actual one yeah look at Tony in Civil War that last fight when he realizes there's a guy here that may have killed his mom and dad in the face the expressions he gives but also the few words that get out of his mouth are we got heaps of examples of this right remember in Guardians 2 when he goes like yeah killed your mom and then he just immediately blasts him it's like yeah because that's what says he's angry like his captain is Captain Marvel and like not angry here your friends are dead he's your comrade it's either the direction the writing the character all of them I don't know but something's wrong give you a window to defeat her whereas like she's so bent on revenge she's so infuriated that she's not thinking tactically and she makes some you know unfocused mistakes in the fight that Wanda can exploit then okay that's the way I would want to do it is that they establish there is some kind of holding cell for Wanda it's perfectly designed to contain something that powerful and then you have it so that Wanda puts Captain Marvel in it because I don't understand how she can kill Captain Marvel I just don't get it other than just vaporizing her but I don't think that's satisfying it would just be like oh I don't okay I guess I don't even know that I would buy that it's like what does it mean to be able to vaporize somebody who seems to be pretty impervious to like physical harm you know I don't know or is it the way that works like fantastic the way that works in DC is that Superman is vulnerable to magic right like that's like a big vulnerability of his because like being exposed to like the sun and everything that doesn't really protect you against something that isn't like physical or like tangible from physics or anything I maybe that would be the way to do it here like actually have Captain Marvel not be that effective against skull problem is I don't even really know what Wanda's powers are at this point like I don't know what we've never known what Wanda's powers are they're just whatever the script needs them to be yep can I point out as well apparently Doctor Strange has dropped 82% week over week that is a brutal drop what kind of drop what kind of drops do we usually expect 60, 70 65, 68 82 I wonder why I guess I guess well because there's a lot of factors right it could be that word of mouth is not good like word of mouth helps a lot it could be that all the people who wanted to see it went in super duper early because of cameos and stuff and so like maybe it misrepresents the overall broad interest in watching the film the way home factor maybe yeah like people had expectations about what the film was going to be that don't align with what the film was because no way home didn't like I mean again no way home made like $1.8 billion like it's a lot of money no way home was a film that was worth rewatching this is very much not very much not you don't feel like sharing when you're done with it mm-hmm I think that's the thing is um no way home it's pretty obvious what people are going to be getting out of that film which is like meaningful character moments that are going to be appealing to a wide breadth of people pretty much universally I don't know what I actually don't know what you would identify as being really great in Dr. Strange like really it seems like a lot of it is focused on the film making which that's fair enough but I'm not sure that that translates as well to like a broader audience of like yeah the film making was really good I think it's always going to be characters in the story that is like the big broad universal appeal that's going to get people you know content and willing to come back or yeah well I just think it had a lot to do with the you know just the anticipation it was the last film technically and I think that had a lot to do with bringing a lot of people to theater too they were expecting a similar experience because it's normies so they're like oh it's Marvel well I mean I guess it makes sense right one film is just about Spider-Man it's about everything so it's Spider-Man it's like now Spider-Man is a big deal but it's just Spider-Man and this is the multiverse the problem is I don't want to lean into that too much because a film can really be whatever it wants to be like it doesn't need to go crazy with cameos or anything like that but I mean I don't even know if it's a matter of cameos they really don't leverage the multiverse here like they don't know yeah maybe it's for the best at this point yeah I mean cool though it's just crazy universes yeah we just get other city versions yeah little glimpse of some weird universes in the thing when they go through the portals I guess well it's just all of these universes feel like much more interesting places to explore for a long period of time than just hey a little bit futuristic New York and a little bit destroyed there are other cool you know what it's the paint universe yeah like spend a little time in the paint universe exactly I think I said it on real BBC but it was like oh you could even make it a gag where they just you know the grand music and the camera angles spinning around they stop there just the frame still music stops pilot paint it's just like yeah how do they not go into a Kirby universe fuck a painting Kirby Crackle everywhere like what the fuck yeah they're dumb imagine remember Looney Tunes back in action where they're jumping in and out of the paintings there should be it like a scene like that surely well it's a one minute sequence you get like a one minute sequence and that is the the most that you're going to get out of like the multiverse premise and it's nothing it's really lame so they what else can you do when you're a writer you got to make these two fight you put them in a I am all the Jedi type fight where they just blast a laser at each other and circle yeah until they just blow up and it's like whoa yeah crazy and then like I think legit in this in this film when I was watching I was just like how in the world is she gonna kill Captain Marvel and you know when she vaporizes her like face mask thing I was like oh is it just gonna be she vaporizes her I guess that's a way to do it because how else can you do it but no they they went way worse they blast away from each other Captain Marvel hits a statue and then falls down to the ground while Wanda just you know almost like a leaf lands much nicely because obviously if she slammed into a statue she would have broken it back so I have that happening um but she spots the Captain Marvel is down on the floor and there's a statue above her so maybe if she makes the statue fall on here she will win and she is correct which is fucking stupid Captain Marvel doesn't give a shit about a statue falling on her come on she flew with three feet she could she even like when the statue is coming out she puts her arms up to like defend as I was like just fly away lost it fly away you have so many options and this is like you have all of us who are not fans of Captain Marvel being like hey Captain Marvel deserves better than this like what are you doing well the thing is if you what her powers would be yeah if you can't reconcile how powerful this character is and there's no logical way to overcome her just don't put her in the fucking movie just swap her out for someone else wait is that really how she dies a statue falls on her and she dies yes yes yeah like Captain Marvel's weakness is stone statues it doesn't you can fly through an entire ship she can fly through it and blow it up the only defense that I'm aware of was in I think it might have been the prior EFAP or a different catch-up stream but someone said she wasn't dead she was knocked out I mean I don't know I don't know what I'm meant to pull away from her like hand falling to the ground that feels to me like if she's dead shot yes let's just amuse that idea even if that's true she's not going to be knocked out for long when she's going to get back up at the latest when Evil Wanda is going to go away from this Wanda version she's like this Wanda's going to come back she's going to get obliterated by Captain Marvel instantly and then that's the end of that universe so GG all the way around but even if she's knocked out it's not better an explanation a statue should even have the power to do that to her yeah no you're right it would be an absurd she tanked a punch from the power stone like directly to the face she tanked a punch from the stone that is power she can effortlessly fly through intergalactic battleships like what's more powerful the power stone, literally the stone that controls like power in the whole universe hardest into a fucking punch or one statue boy hey we don't know what that statue is made of true it's just studied with power stones and I guess the whole time you might be here like where is Professor X that's a good question so the next scene is he was waiting for his other dramatic entrance he's scooting he's scooting his way there you're in as fast as I can where are you going she's recovering from getting to the Illuminati chamber Mordo looks around at the fucking the walls are shaking because of how much damage is being done and Doctor Strange is like all your fucking friends are dead so you may as well cast your vote now because he's the last council member and Mordo does eventually do that he says I'm ready to cast my vote the implication being since he's the only one he only needs one vote to condemn Doctor Strange to death which means everything we see of Mordo in this scene is with him knowing all of his friends are dead I'm doing nothing about it I wasn't even going to go there just look at how he's acting look at the way he talks he doesn't care it's almost like that was shot in a different movie and they reshot 80% of the movie and didn't bother fixing that part a little bit was that the original plan or was that this was a different movie or a jumbled two different movies I don't know what this movie was supposed to be originally at this point but the fact that they reshot so much they move things around just because of how popular No Way Home was it makes you wonder what kind of decisions get made that they don't tell you about we've brought it up before but if we're saying again there's a joke that's made actually by somebody saying that they don't I can't remember whose video I saw this in it could have been Gary's or Drinker's but the thing where it's like Benedict Cumberbatch doesn't even know if he's in this movie what that wasn't mine I'd take credit for that it was just a funny clip I can't remember whose video I saw it but I was just like that's the reality of the filming right now and Benedict Cumberbatch himself said he wasn't sure of what his character is doing in this film like he doesn't know that Sam Raimi was quoted in Hollywood reporter in paraphrasing that it's a little difficult to make a movie when you don't know the ending yeah man yeah this is why is it making money if you're not going to make use of them and you're not going to actually let them tell a story Sam Raimi fucking hate it what kind of movie do you end up with when you have that kind of approach you're like well this this is what you get a true multiverse of madness there was a little slip on the red carpet we didn't put it in the video we might put the audio in later Perry found it where a co-producer says and it could have been him misspeaking but clearly says like I directed this movie with Sam Raimi and it's a guy who's been attached to a lot of other Marvel films and we already know that well with the female directors they don't let them direct the action so I don't think there'd be any different with the dudes I think those little pizzas are set up in advance that pizza I do the pre-visualization for all of the fights a lot of the effects pre-visualized in 2016 yep I don't know I feel like it explains a lot so for those who are following along it's like Doc Strange is tied up in those anti-magic bracelets and Mordo is the only one left in the room so he says hey Mordo you're like a bitch and you always didn't like me yeah pretty much and he's like I bet you were glad that I died because then you can be your little sorcerer Supreme isn't that right and then Mordo's like enough you're annoying me I'm gonna kill you now Mordo is a smart person yeah and so he jumps, yeah I know right why would this guy be the sorcerer supreme whatever what would any of these people be the sorcerer supreme like we've had three and they're all shit the first thing you might think with Mordo is like if he's gonna execute Doc Strange drop him into the blender universe with your portals the blender dimension yeah quite as well maybe we could put a blender dimension somewhere yeah surely maybe he keeps a blender in his basement he just has it on all the time I don't know just teleport him to the universe where the heat death has already happened volcano, space deep in the middle of the ocean you would be surprised how much of the universe is actively trying to kill you he can do all that very tiny parts of the universe you could actually live on or then chop off his legs do that he can do a lot of things with his portal but let's just he doesn't have one maybe I don't know what's he gonna do now well I guess he'll attack him with his trusty sword that he has so there you go every fucking attack he delivers is getting blocked by the magic bracelets it's like hmmmm hey Mordo can you maybe figure out what Doc Strange is trying to do here I don't know one really weird about this fight was that if it was Doctor Strange's plan to have his dagger sword go through the bracelets and break them holding them up in front of you to block the blade I don't know man that's quite a risk you're taking there with that maneuver this whole plan is kind of insane like it's a huge risk all of it is cause Mordo could have killed him in way more efficient ways that prevent him from doing anything I like how Mordo was that petty he's like ha you said mean things about me guess I'm gonna kill you I'm gonna die and the whole time I'm thinking this is a Doctor Strange movie he's in this inconsequential fight in some crevice with fucking Mordo and Wanda's like wiping out the Illuminati and the Illuminati without Professor X wasn't even the magic sword that did it he got thrown into a wall and that's what breaks open the bracelet however it doesn't break it it opens it to be closed again so that was lucky really lucky that it all worked out that way and so yeah Mordo doesn't stab him as he's approaching he instead prepares him nice and slowly to do an execution but then he gets his hand caught in the bracelet so now neither of them have access to magic can you believe it and then they like good old fashioned fist fight I just wanna see him slapping each other yeah well so that's the weird thing they're both very familiar with hand to hand combat um I didn't know that I guess I didn't realize that's what Doctor Strange was taught as part of the part of the cometage I guess so because I just hadn't seen it before I guess I always thought that it was magic that he does not like actual um but I can believe that that's something they taught my guess but this is confirmation at least Mordo could have trapped Wanda this Wanda in the mirror dimension he would have given that a shot and he couldn't have known if she could escape and maybe she couldn't escape he could have saved all of his friends he could have tried so many things all of the things could have been tried and all of it all of it happening while Charles is doing something yeah well like if Charles you know held her still or something while everybody else could well they had you know the 88 handicap ramp but it was just like way off to the side yeah wait wait oh you're all dead why does this hover chair only have one setting that's just so very high slow I'm demanding a turbo button you think the Illuminati could afford a turbo button oh I am very tired though yeah they very luckily fall off into this fucking hole that's just here nobody knows why this hole is here there's a hole here there's a big hole as they said crevice it's just like this pathway it doesn't go anywhere though either way is blocked so it's just like this hole but they don't just fall down into it they fall onto like a some kind of thing yeah and they wrap around it so it breaks their connector so now they're both magical but separated like okay these magical restraints that are supposed to like stop the most powerful beings you know the whole universe man they are really fucking easy to break out of really are you might even say it's convenient very convenient yeah they have just back and forth until strange just jumps out by kick kick kick off the sides wall jumping and he just gets up to the top and it's like that's that park hall moves yeah as if the scene couldn't go off as if the scene couldn't get anywhere he then ends it was saying I'm starting to realise you know doesn't like you very much like dude your friends are dead what are we doing that's a killer parting line ice quip what cartoon have we been launched into yeah so embarrassing I will have to go in a second I just wanted to leave you with a thought strange has to go off and like his objective I guess is to get to America and rescue her from her chamber but notice how he's not even allowed to do that she has to rescue herself and get herself out and then conveniently run into him just exactly where they needed to be yeah this movie isn't MCU yeah you've got to obey the rules it's amazing well thanks for joining us drinker always appreciate it and I guess I'll see you Thursday yeah I'm probably going to do I'm going to do a long overdue super chat catch up actually tomorrow night potentially so I don't know well you know if you're around great if not well yeah I'll join you if I am I think I will be so yeah perhaps I'll see you there bye nice now well drinkers linkolas is in the description I think everyone in EFAM knows who you are but you can still be like tell them why they should subscribe if you want to give it a go nothing bad is going to happen if you subscribe probably you got a video on this film right now it's one of your newest ones isn't it it is yeah I think that's my latest one do you think has it gotten any worse at all since you reviewed it or do you think it's still kind of just the same it's getting worse the more I talk to you guys it's like the morning scover it's like oh christ yeah there is a depth to it it's insanity but yeah well have good fun with wherever you are heading next and we'll we'll see you when we see you yeah I'm going to be talking about Predator so that's all good but yeah thanks guys and yeah good luck with the rest of this I think you're going to need it thanks very much see you later bye right then so yeah unfortunately that's the end of that scene we're at the scene fun enough this was the death that annoyed me the most everyone gets their own pick okay but before that happens what chef are we at now so basically like that whole fight she had with the Illuminati what happened in the interim well Christine decided to try and use a fire extinguisher to bash open the holding cell that's meant to capture anything from the multiverse you should probably know that doesn't work once designed she'll know that it won't work I don't know why she's even trying you can't even argue like oh well you know you'll try anything at that point right it's like no I don't think she would do it would be like tapping it with a pencil it's like this might work you'd be like oh I need to do something else because that's obviously futile I need to explore some other option of getting it open there's got to be weapons in this place somewhere she's got to go get one and try to use that to open the box or something like that not a fire extinguisher that's so stupid but yeah she's almost given up and then America does one of her power punches and smashes well cracks all of the windows which means that her powers aren't magical right because she is wearing the what does that even mean like what could it possibly be otherwise what would it be categorized as what's that question cosmic I don't know that's what I would say right it's some sort of it's meant to be more scientific I guess that means then those bracelets we're never gonna do anything to anyone they capture that has powers that go beyond witchcraft or sorcery I guess I have no idea it's which means they never would have been able to stop her from using any of her powers from the get go she just never tried yeah okay America but yeah she definitely has the bracelets on still at this point so I just yeah I don't understand but I guess we just have to assume her powers are not magic related they're even though even though Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange are both magic users who are able to extract those powers somehow yeah how the fuck does that work that no I refuse it doesn't it just doesn't make any sense at all but of course she hasn't broken out just yet so it's all too late Scarlet Witch is here and then you hear and off it's charlie boy he's here and he's doing his stance where he puts one hand on the head and one finger point on the person he's going for and they enter the mind what is it called like mindscape or something mind there's a name for this I have no clue oh I think that I don't know if that's that that's like Sherlock isn't it he has a bottom but that's a more general term like the mind palace I think it's applicable in a few scenarios mindcraft that's it well it's um it's a mind will basically and charles is looking around and this is again there's plenty to compliment about this films visuals because that's what everyone's doing and it's because that's a thing to compliment the way that Wanda would have rationalized being trapped with her own consciousness is loads of rubble and a TV like which is representative of the history that we were told she had um so I appreciate that that means that somebody somewhere cared about something oh good job somewhere because I imagine it's going to be specific to the person because he's looking around like he doesn't understand this place right so it's built almost by her symbolic of how she believes her situation to be um unfortunately charles is like if I can pull you out of this rubble that'll mean that you can get rid of evil Wanda but as he's doing it big ol red smoke cloud appears behind him very evil he just gives up Wanda he's like well I guess that's it and then big spooky zombie Wanda appears behind him and tears his fucking head off this fucking breaks the neck no she tears the head off okay fine I feel the need to specify that she tears his fucking head off looking like a crazy golem creature um then we cut to the real world and his neck seems to be broken and that's the end of professor yes they're in the professor is amazing his mind control yes this is his element more than anything else he gets in people's minds and he can navigate with that and he has the mind powers and Wanda still outmines him yep yeah the way you can do that with the powers but like his perception there is not like I'm looking at something and you're gonna walk up behind me and sneak up on me that's not the way it works well it's gonna be a fight like it was when he had to fight with gene who like it makes most because gene is the most powerful like mutant essentially you look better when legions fighting the shadow king in the tv show they animate it like cause they obviously didn't have the money but like fighting in the astral plane and it's you can do whatever the fuck you want it's crazy and she could have found a way to fight there it could have been interesting but nah she just fucking breaks his neck it sucks there's a lot to cover for why it sucks Wanda especially non juiced up Wanda her mind control abilities aren't too great they're fine like and you might be like what do you mean it's like so we're comparing to Charles Xavier here she has to be close range you can influence I don't think we ever saw her like full on puppeteer person it's only in Wanda vision that the hex thing happens but that's all without her intention like that's just like an expression of some kind of weird spell she didn't even mean it's all a very strange thing to add to it but up till well before that her mind control is pretty limited compared to his which if everyone remembers he's pretty OP he can basically control people completely on mass multiple yeah and that's even if you're just going on movie powers right cause like what we're having what we're doing is conflating comic powers movie powers from different universes and that's why you got to set this up maybe this is just a retarded professor X has to look at everything I don't know maybe that's it but yeah there's a lot of things they could have fixed in this movie with a sentence with a sentence I had this expectation stupid me that Wanda was still going to be in the Scarlet Witch and there was going to be some kind of inner battle between like Darkhold Scarlet Witch and Wanda that's kind of what I thought we were going to get from the trailer but no she was just gone the whole time which again was stupid because it all happened off screen and yes a lot of this stuff could have just been fixed quickly with dialogue I hate it when they do that but it could it would have been something um yeah and as people pointed out if you if you were to go by the movies you still have that you can do the entire earth at once um with Cerebro obviously powering out but at the same time it's just representative of he's he's OP he's top tier in his regard and that's why as was just mentioned by Fringing but still I'm just going to repeat it X-Men 3 the really Tizmy bullshit movie handles this so much better uh Jean Grey doesn't consider it easy to kill him she has to fight him beat him and so on like like it's not just she appears and breaks his neck there's a reason a dude in a wheelchair survived that long in the Marvel Universe yeah yeah and in the mind-scape I have to question why does he need to physically pull her from the rubble he has complete control in that in that space surely he's walking around that's already a defiance of a symbolic name I think that is what they're going for it's supposed to be like um I don't know how minds were like not meant to be taken literally what we're seeing is just a visual version of what is actually happening underneath which is he's fucking bumbling around like an old man until he gets killed which sucks complete disrespect but why would I be surprised at this point it was kind of a hard season one all in one scene it's a microcosm and then there's the fact that Wanda is at least temporarily subdued here brings us to the larger problem with the Illuminati fight as a whole which is to say Professor X could have just stuck his finger out and then they could have slapped the magic, the anti-magic gauntlets on her and then beat her up just shove a fucking knife in her throat for fuck's sake, end it jeez as I stand around and kick her in the face it's like fuck like what could have done I'm not saying this would have fixed it but had like Charles sense her the minute she got there and then they did their fight first and he just dies while he's in there while they're about to judge him and that gets everybody to go and killed systematically awesome man thinking of better things and this is the most notes I've made on any movie since I've started my channel it was ridiculous no it's just so much to say because yeah when she like realizes what's going on around her they've broken out, they're out of there already and so Wanda's now gonna have to chase them and Christine and America make their way down some hallway and they happen to bump into Doc Strange oh just beautiful lucky this stuff and the cape meets up with them all too oh right yeah the cloak is fixed and it comes to him there are so many reasons why that shouldn't have happened shouldn't it be in its own containment thing literally like an enemy but okay fine it's fine, this is all fine funnily enough these kinds of problems are really low on the list compared to everything we've been through recently so yeah there you go so Dr Strange has been told that the book of Ashanti exists but he needs to get to the waypoint and he says Charles told me about it where is the waypoint and then Christine is like for fuck's sake you're just like my Steven you always have to have your hand on the knife and that knife it killed trillions of people it's like I'm sorry all of the Illuminati are dead also the multiverse is at risk of being destroyed can you not be a bitch for two seconds and help me I fucking hate Christine in this movie this is not the first time she's done this and it's like are you not paying attention to any of the do you have to have your own little bitch first like seriously I know that again it's about his arc so the words she's actually expressing have nothing to do with the scene it's to do with you understanding what Dr Strange's throughline in this movie is but it fucks her up completely she should be desperate to get to that fucking book like we've got to get to it to stop this woman from literally killing every single of one of the greatest heroes that our planet has ever been graced with she's annihilated all of them like please but instead she's like well Steven what are you going to do with the very same book that we destroyed Thanos with with your help what are you going to do with it after we beat Scarlet are you going to kill everyone is that it is that what you're going to do Steven it's like no if there was a 50-50 chance I would you should still help me absolutely fucking absurd it makes no sense that she's delaying us all by saying yes but Steven what if there's a billion chance that you might do something mean with the book as opposed to the horrified witch that's going to destroy the multi-verse that's chasing us right now so terrible did we already talk about how lucky it is that we are in this universe where we have a white point to this thing did we already talk about that no we haven't talked about that yet that one's shelved for we've got to wait until Zombie Strange talks to America so we've got some time before we can talk about that yeah that was a real sentence that makes sense in this movie this film feels like it was written well it's written with the morality of a Hollywood producer for one and like half these notes I've said in my video it feels like Victoria the X-Men are outdated Alonzo like we just got promoted at Marvel by the way wrote half of this fucking movie it's so stupid the fucked up morals thing is definitely a huge problem throughout a lot of it goes beyond Disney at this point in the scene you just talked about you have murderous Scarlet Witch going to kill you now but you're worried about the man who might kill you later not even there's no reason to think that he would kill her there's just nothing yeah you'll use the book of happiness goodness and all that it's literally referred to as like the magic book of good or some bullshit like that at one point magic book of good that matches up with the writers I remember no in it because I was like good god the dialogue it hurts so it gets even worse because America is like no this strange he isn't going to kill trillions of people he's different and then Doctor Strange looks at it and then she's like what trust me like this guy he's the good strange and I was like you guys have spoken to each other for like a minute what are you even talking about this film completely forgot that it didn't have a the last of us level journey with these two it thinks it did no they spoke very briefly in a cafe and then they spoke twice like sentence two sentences to each other in Kamatage and then they had a little walk through the city where they talked about pizza papa and lights that is it oh yeah they had the memory scene but that's that's like the only thing you could even say that would get them together in any way she performed what in that journey has convinced America that this is the one strange in the universe who's the good strange oh sorry the multiverse well she wasn't 72 of them so she has authority there you go I fix it for you this film did not ruin that moment at all 72 out of it and it is not bad and yeah by the way her admitting that is tacitly admitting she still thinks that Defender Strange is a bad person which fuck her for saying yeah yeah he's like he's so he's such a good person he gets shafted in this movie they literally pop it his corpse so true they do yeah annoying as fuck but that's enough to convince Christine to then get the book which is something she shouldn't have had to be convinced for anyway it's all this horrible I was just like none of you are talking like people but anyway let's just they're running because she releases all of the cuffs they have for magical stuff so we're back to full power everybody yay then they very deliberately show you that Wanda walks across glass from the smashed the smashed area which is gonna hurt her little feetsies and it's like wait but why wouldn't you have flown over that to avoid it you can fly way faster cause she's tough if you have the right to hear right now they'd be like well she didn't fly over it because we need to have her limping later and you'd be like limping that's true but she can fly are they like no no she just threw a shield that cut somebody in half she's limp so so you remember how they transplanted the evil dead stuff into bonder Bruce Campbell earlier do you think that they got confused and thought that Sam Rayme directed die hard I have no clue it's potentially part I've seen people say that the reason she's not flying here is because it's a reference to evil dead I was like you can't keep saying this like you can't keep saying everything's a reference to evil dead it doesn't make any fucking sense it's wist maybe Wanda just I guess the evil dead exists in this universe maybe and Wanda just really likes it she's a big fan it's just like yeah it's the spooky zombie like creature that's trying to reach you it's like a horror moment it's not meant to be taken as like Wanda can fly through it that would ruin it she showed me she can fly like she flew to the base she flies later remember when regular Wanda comes back in control she flies up to the doorway so there's no way they're getting out of this one she should have flown but it's worse because she's estimated to be about four meters away from them she's not chasing them and she doesn't grab them we see her grab several people at once with her powers at greater distances by the way in minutes from now we see that but she doesn't do it here well that is a once again that is actually a reference to the evil dead where she doesn't no one in that film is grabbed through magic so that means that it's a reference you can't have them that makes sense I like it and then I don't know if you guys remember the scene happens where they close a door and then they all wait to see if she can get through it oh no she got through it let's run more and close more doors and this murderous woman who's killing everybody will eventually take over the universe Doctor Strange goes is this before the light goes on top or afterwards I can't remember oh this is before because more than that yeah that dude it's old we got the biggest stakes possible and he's like kind of joking like hey wonder if you're in there hold your breath hold your breath you should grab them instantly she doesn't he then prepares a spell he's doing like a spell channeling and she doesn't just grab him just lets him do it really annoying whatever they smash open the ceiling which lets a bunch of water in and they go through another door and close it and so they're like there we go and then America's like well that's Stopper and he's like no it'll give us some time though like seconds even I wouldn't assume anything from it I'd be like she's right behind us always assume she's right behind us um and like this is I want people to understand when I say this movie is like fucking incredibly catastrophic it's like all the time oh you know this scene is okay this is where they just talk about this and it's fine it's like it's never that way so they get to the end of this fucking stupid tunnel system and it leads them to a door that leads to the book of vishanti it's a waypoint you're like okay I understand that mechanically unfortunately no one knows how to open it that doesn't make sense because they used it to destroy Thanos so I guess at least they're strange, they're Doctor Strange would not open it right and it's like well yes hang on so they're Doctor Strange is the one that creates the lock for this thing he's the one that organized it all blah blah blah so when they killed him he didn't tell them anything oh oh my we are in trouble now aren't we so that means that he with all of his potential damage and everything made sure to go back and put the book back where it came from and then seal up it's such a mixture of what is being done you don't even and it's the book a super duper good yeah so everything it does good I'm using the mechanics of the MCU here it's supposed to be the opposite of the Darkhold so like even if you had ill intent with it it would corrupt you with good and you wouldn't do bad things with it with the way they presented in this film Christine figures it out the key to it she doesn't know the key to it she figures it out and it blew me away that I was just like they have to fucking figure it out and why so she can reveal that the key to the door is the broken watch she gave to him to again be like you see Christine is the most important thing to Doctor Strange that's why this happened with the universe or mechanically that's why they completely forgot that Defender Strange would of course told them how to open the fucking door why would he not and funnily enough I saw in a J J actually about this and J was like they had the perfect opportunity here they could have said how do we open this door and then she's like well I don't know and then Doctor Strange would be like what do you mean you don't know how do you not know what opened this door he must have told you and she's like he did and then he looks at her confused black ball, Captain Carter you know name all the people who just died who are at the top of the Illuminati you can be like oh so at least you could say all of them knew and they're all dead now and acknowledge their death yes somehow kind of like a somber moment that you could appreciate they fucking died but no he didn't tell anybody so they just have this power locked away Professor Axe was being honest with him he said there is a waypoint but there's a waypoint go nuts this film breaks in so many creative and interesting ways it is very creative oh so hectic inducing how could this possibly be the way that it works and I have another question so in this scene where he's trying to figure out the combination of how or trying to figure out how the hell he's going to open this door he uses the Iovacimoto which is no longer has the time stone in it but yet he opens it up and it seems to do a magic thing and we're never really it's never really made clear what the Iovacimoto does now because it doesn't of the time and we haven't established it has any other function and plus I'm pretty sure Thanos crushed it so you could put like a yeah like a couple bucks cause you should carry on wait wait wait wait Thanos did crush it was that oh wait no that was a meme illusion one that's right he still had the real one remember cause that's what he is that actually true hold on I don't know well the thing is I thought he took it out of the container and just put a little cloaking spell over it cause we never see him get it out of the real one but he does call it a fake at the same time so my brain help I can't say that's all does he have it in endgame that's I guess the question I can't even remember I think he well I think he does but a lot of people have cited that as an error so like in that costume error he could always make another one later yeah in Infinity war though it breaks and when he reveals the time stone he doesn't reveal it from the Iovacimoto he just reveals it from the air so that it got destroyed he made another one yeah cause someone said no he crossed the fake one it's like no I think he crossed the real one yeah like he called it a fake but we never see the real one get re-revealed we just see the time stone what I will say is nothing consequential comes of that though like yeah I guess I'm surprised and like is that a constant did I forget or I don't know the real question is why is he still using the Iovacimoto without the time stone still in play I guess cause it has some functionality beyond the time stone like revealing gargantos just with a little like hey I can see you buddy it reveals other dimensional invisible creatures it protects the time stone and it opens up doors that sometimes that's pretty useful I mean I can keep it around it looks neat yeah yeah we're making good time right 3 hours and 20 minutes so we've only got half hour film left not bad we did it the door swings open and they gawk at the reveal that the Book of Vicente is now within their grasp and they just stare for a good while and then Doctor Strange jumps down and then he looks up and he's like alrighty next you know jump down I'll catch ya it's fine walk about it and so that's fine jump down let's go walk over there let's have a nice long look at it and then we'll slowly in case you didn't get a good enough look already let's saunce her over there they even reveal the nature of this place Christine says this is the gap junction I guess there's breathable air between universes well so yeah just to make sure people understand there is one of these one there is one Book of Vicente but there are like an infinite number of dark holds they're in every universe all universes connect to this place in order to get access to the Book of Vicente if you remember in the opening Defender Strange was going for this book in season 1 it's very it's very helpful that this place has atmospheric composition of 79% nitrogen like 16% carbon dioxide seems every planet in the MCU has that this is the space between universes exactly so it doesn't have to follow any of your rules it's a temperature that humans can live in it's got oxygen it's got humidity that actually binds you to like the ground even though man it's crazy well yeah I thought it was more practical to address the fact that that means that every Doctor Strange everywhere is always going to use this book to defeat their respective enemies not 60% CO2 60% oxygen isn't it 60% CO2 that doesn't seem very useful and we have mentioned that the door is right next to the book this specific door presumably there's lots of ways to get into this gap junction I don't know but it's unfortunate for other potential Doctor Stranges the further from the door as soon as we've established that one Doctor Strange has access to this and to be fair they've established that two do infinite do which means infinite Doctor Stranges need this book to fight infinite Thanoses and infinite times which means how the fuck is this book available yeah why is there only one of rifts and why does it exist in this place who wrote it because they needed to get rid of this book by the end of this film that is why by the end of this film they get rid of this book in like two minutes yeah but that's kind of what I might not it has to be self-contained within this film just like the Dark Holders while forgetting the consequences of the actions that brought about its destruction are not self-contained we'll talk about that it doesn't it's just shit it's all shit this is all a fucking diversion anyway Act 2 can be skipped it's all for nothing absolutely because yeah someone's probably listening right now like why are they saying this about the book that can defeat anything it's like right hang on they need to press one calmer in Act 2 I think she does in Act 3 that's true they pick her up from Act 2 pick her up because she needs to do something really really important too really just yeah without her who knows what would have happened man would have been over he's scared to love he takes fucking ages to finally just put his hand on the book and he's like okay book and he picks it up and then oh no Scarlet Witch is here and she's grabbing America and it's like damn so if you would just literally as soon as the door opened been like YouTube go go go go go now don't fucking think about it just go and then grab the watch close the door Wanda's fucked it's true including that but not limited to that you then sprint to the book open it up read as much as you can you'll talk to strange from your face movie and then be like alakazam and then boom she just blows up she's just nothing no the book of virginity but what if they did it as slowly and dumbly as possible I don't think they could have gone slower if they tried if they if they went in the opposite direction they would have gone around the earth I need to tie my shoe real quick before I read the book hang on just a second there's just not a thing in this movie this is very infuriating and what are the consequences of this there's wonders there massive and then Christine's like oh no and then Dr. Strange is like no let me cast the spell and then he casts like a little laser spell I can just highlight when she grabs America screams incredibly loud panics no portal she hasn't opened a portal yet no it gives him time to shoot the laser which wonder reflects and the book of versatility burns away it's gone the old good book is gone for all universes and the way they show it it's like it was doused in fucking oil the good book gets destroyed by a little spell get deflected they don't even try to get rid of the fire I don't even try to put it out oh no it's burning it happened so fast to me I thought it might have been like a meme like it was an illusion it was like no fucking way you set this thing up as the greatest power in the fucking universe and then you just boom a bunch of characters you introduced Mr. Fantastic to get to this damn book just burn it I think it's worthwhile to slow down here a little bit so Doctor Strange through incompetence and Wonder through malice have destroyed for all universes a book that is all good that can basically solve any problems when we talk about moral culpability for things like I'm not sure how you do much worse than that destroying the all powerful good book for all universes it means that any conflict that could have been resolved with that book by universes that could theoretically already have access to that book anybody who dies or any universes that get destroyed anything all stems from Wonder and Strange Wonder through malice and Doctor Strange through incompetence consider how wonderfully beautifully self-contained it is though that we introduced this book here in this movie and then we also just get rid of it in this movie it's while forgetting that you can't just ignore that the characters were responsible for this book being destroyed I would be willing to put good money on the book of Vishanti never being referenced ever again never again it would never even be acknowledged that Wonder and Doctor Strange were responsible for its destruction for all universes any time when they're like the only way to defeat Thanos is with the book of Vishanti and they go there and there's nothing there and then their universe gets destroyed or once people die that's on them because of what they did imagine you're one of the sorcerers in Kamataj and you're training along with America and you're like so what happened what happened with all of it because I only caught bits and I nearly died in the defense against all of which what was your adventure like and she's describing all the bits and bobs all the heroic people who got fucking instagib because they suck and you're just like uh huh uh huh and then she says like we finally got to that book of Vishanti and you're like oh yeah you did and she destroyed it unfortunately so we have to like whoa whoa whoa you see Wonder over there who's helping us out now in this new movie where we don't reference what happened she destroyed it it burned up it's like I don't understand burned up it's like yeah it doesn't exist anymore um it's gone yeah uh you think Wong might ask about it at some point and Doctor Strange wants to tell him yeah it's destroyed yeah and it's like destroyed how did that happen it's like I went to grab it I went to grab it it's like as quickly as possible right yeah and reasonably hurried taste like you know you want to be careful though it's like um sure but like you know pretty quick right yeah anyway yeah I grabbed it and then and then I cast a little laser spell it's like what you didn't like use any portals or like mirror dimension again or like anything no it's a little laser she reflected it though it's like yeah who could have seen that coming I know nobody right I mean fuck me yeah no one could have seen that coming because I have no idea what could ever happen in any given moment the spell he fires at her I was like that's a new one it's like a it's like a death star laser with little rings around it it's like okay reflects it it's gone the book is destroyed it's it doesn't exist anymore it can never be used for good thanks to these two yeah I made that book of virginity joke fucking master chief came up again someone's mentioned like I thought America was the one with the superpower to get between universes and stuff but strange has a doorway to a place in between them yeah like he just yeah he just does I don't understand that and also I mean as we so oh man how much so in endgame when they go back in time new timelines get created if not by them traveling back in time at the very least by them interacting with the past we know this this is confirmed like this is absolutely true they create new timelines does that create incursions or like cause any problems on that front in terms of like multiverse stuff are they not traveling between universes by traveling back in time and creating new universes no no they're not we endgame doesn't exist anymore they'll even talk about the blip let alone the best part of all of this is if you ask any of these writers like doesn't that cause an incursion they will literally be like incursion what's that can you speak more slowly I don't understand this incursion can you use less syllables and more CGI you know what's funny by the way is Wanda knows nothing about the book of vishanti she knows nothing at all what dr strange could have done I know this is a bit radical but he could have been like hey you win take her take America do whatever you ought to do please just don't kill anymore people and then America would be like what you've betrayed me and you'd be like yeah yeah go go go go just leave and then Wanda's like yeah okay fine I guess and then he can be like alright book I need a spell to save America kill Wanda and repair all the damage that's been done to the world by her boom I know it would have taken a minute watch yeah yeah he's just not that smart you know he's not a smart character he's not a street smart no street smarts would have told you that when you're handling the all powerful book in all universes that you should try and do these strategies instead of shooting the laser to conjure the shake ironically book smarts is not what's gonna teach you them yeah but the movie would be over the movie would be over several times over if people made smart decisions we've been through so many of them in this scene ready for another one the movie would be over if the thing that would happen or should happen did happen so Wanda when the books destroyed and they're just doing their little looks at each other she grabs them both she's got them both in her hand it's like right vaporize them do it vaporize not vaporizing them oh he mind controls America sharp as to open up a portal to a world that's ravaged by an inquisition doesn't like she make the portal first or was she mind controls it to do it that's what I was referencing earlier with the control one bow jumbo she does that she could have used to make Wong tell her things or whatever yeah theoretically that's something she could do there's so much wrong it's hard to remember if we've talked yeah absolutely yeah she tosses them in and they end up in that world and then she mind controls they didn't get teleported into like space you know so yeah this is what we can talk about now actually cause we've got full context that was either random by Wanda and so they're incredibly lucky or it was deliberate by Wanda to choose a world that's falling to shreds but it wasn't one that you can't live in yeah so you could have just killed them and that would be the end of the movie but no you threw them into a world that's not is liveable okay thanks you didn't even throw them into space in that universe just onto the planet in New York no less in New York it's always in New York there are no cities in the MCU other than New York and sometimes London there is never a superhero who lives in Chicago isn't only one movie in LA like Iron Man is in LA yeah Iron Man hangs out in LA a decent amount but then it's like does anybody live in like Milwaukee or I don't know oh they went to Miami briefly how about like any other place on earth we got Wakanda so we got a fictional country they went to Titan they went to Titan yeah it's kind of weird how in the MCU everything revolves not only around just the United States but like specifically New York it's like the only place that matters in the whole world how crazy is it that any oh no we're getting off that's just the MCU we already talked about how Earth-centric the MCU how it's so Earth-centric and it's not even Earth-centric it's freaking New York-centric so she mind controls America to open up a portal to herself in our universe if you will throws her through closes it and then she relinquishes control over that Wanda and so everything's worked out except for the fact that she's now temporarily in a position where she's sorting out her loss of control over alternate Wanda while America Chavez is just free to do whatever she wants if like escape back into that universe if she was terrified enough of being on her own facing the scarlet witch directly and opened up another portal and sent herself to the paint world the scarlet witch is just fucked like but this film isn't here so yeah I mean is she still not very stressed out could she not just like there's always these moments the plot just relies on her not activating her portals the portals only work when it's convenient for the writers whenever they need something to happen isn't it funny that every time that the portals exist is for an act break literally every single time it is an act break America's makes portal and then that's the next act it's kind of hilarious the prologue it's act one and then act one it's act two and then act two and act three and then the finale there's this weird effort by the film because we then obviously there I say friendly Wanda superior Wanda whatever she flies off she says my boy oh no your kids and then when she runs through all of the dead bodies yeah I'm sure funny if Mordo had gotten out of his crevice walked out to see all the bodies and then she sees her running by and he's just like you fucking kidding me right now but anyway she they show us who pick up and bind with magic America Chavez and like place her down on the platform as if to imply yeah you can't open your portals now or something that is like no she's been bound every time her portal has nothing to do with like anything that she's doing of like her whole thing is she like punches them open right in the comics but like she hasn't done that in this movie they just open they just open yeah it doesn't matter if her arms and legs are tied it doesn't matter well as we saw in act one right in Kamata she was bound when the portal opened when they escaped Kamata she doesn't just take her power right away as she binds her oh yeah it would be over if she did because the time line Doctor Strange has just arrived in the incursion verse whatever fuck well in real time even though we know that they definitely skip time that's like a good 30 minutes of the movie maybe 20 minutes yeah probably 15 20 but that's still enough and remember they walk around so like at minimum it's gonna take 15-20 minutes for them to get back precisely what I mean about how this film just looks stupid it just won't stop it never relents so like they've arrived in I think is it called the sinister universe then is that the idea the sinister universe the sinister strange is here but yeah so you are Doctor Strange you've just been sent through the portal you're with Christine you're in a universe that's falling the fuck apart and you say our plan is we've gotta get to me in this universe to see if there's any way we can do anything and it's like alright and what are the stakes again well the multiverse is legit on the edge of destruction now like she has America so let us start slowly walking I can't stop it yes Doctor Strange can fly you can literally fly why? we have to leave Christina alone it's like I don't know just grab her and then fly together have we ever seen Doctor Strange fly with somebody don't know that we have he could probably pick her up I don't think she'd rate that much maybe the cloak can just grab her grab on to my cloak well the fact is the cloak can just fucking take Doctor Strange over and then leave go grab Christine and come back yeah it's absurd and they're not running even it's so annoying he doesn't have a sling ring I know he doesn't I'll allow that he doesn't have a sling ring because she disappeared it randomly that's right when she was in the mirror dimension she disappeared it it's great writing yeah and then Christine has this line where she's like man if you are here you didn't do a very good job of saving this world man thanks it's such a weird line it's like neither do you yeah a little bit on me like I just have to save every universe now that's just my thing to do I thought you said I suck and that I kill everyone I've got to be holding the knife maybe in this world I gave you the knife and look what happened yeah cut yourself cut yourself like I said I kind of hate Christine throughout this film she was fine in the first she was just a normal person but in this film she's beholden to lines that don't match a character because they got to make a point about Steven's character all the tools that doesn't make sense frustrated I will say the film being like oh yeah Steven's cross universes they're so similar it's like here's the thing they wouldn't be no what happens to you in your life drastically changes who you are more so than like innate qualities of you like if one doctor strange I don't know like didn't get bullied that much at school he may be a totally different person like that's what the multi-versus concept should give you that you can look at people who have nothing in common with you who are you they look like you they sound like you that they got nothing in common with you and it's just a couple of different choices or like one event that didn't go quite the same way but like this film almost seems to want to make a point that like there were universal qualities of Doctor Strange and it's kind of funny to think about because in no way home they do a really cool thing which is like it's almost a universal aspect of spider-man that like there is this lesson that gets instilled in him that's like a really interesting way of leveraging the multi-verse they're different people but there's like a core that binds them together principally well I would argue that I would argue that part of what's happening in that film is that Andrew and Toby push him on to that path where he might not have made it he might not have made it that's right and you know that yeah just that it could have ended you could have had a darker spider-man who doesn't care because it's like like Andrew Garfield said you know I got rageful like I got vengeful I had a bad experience and I don't want you to be like me it's like an acknowledgement that the event will change you in this movie it's like well no you're like Doctor Strange I can't believe that somebody who wrote for Rick and Morty would like come away with that perspective on like multi-verse how do you write for Rick and Morty and come away with such like a shallow interpretation of the multi-verse I can explain it for any because they want to have that line the line that everyone celebrates and I think it's cringeworthy the I love you in every universe people are saying that's way better than I love you 3000 and it's like what no it's not why no it's not come on really really people are saying that yeah there's a it's like it because obviously endgame's been out long enough now and I'm saying this to people really that it's got like no stop on it dude people tend on no way home like this the stock for these things just goes out of fashion the second the new ones out and yeah it was just like that line in Doctor Strange one of the best romantic lines ever just like it's kind of creepy to be honest with you I love you in every universe okay you've only met even the one in your hitler especially when she said that's when he loves her 3000 if you're being realistic the line should be like I also hate you a lot with all the people who probably hate you I feel everything for you because it's infinite all of the things have been felt even nothing but yeah I don't know this movie is like dragged dialogue wise into the Strange and Christine thing that they keep trying to make a thing like nobody gives a fuck I'm sorry I just didn't have that much of a relationship in the first film so like when in the second film you try and push if you gave her more in the first film because it's kind of the problem is it's like this isn't your crystal you don't have the same experiences with this Christine she's not it's like it's like the MCU doesn't understand it and it's kind of a concern I have with Gamora it's like this ain't Gamora this is like a different version of Gamora this is a different version of Loki they're not going to just because you want them to align with the versions that we already know they have different life experiences different knowledge different perspectives that would be informed by the world that they live in you can't just have them all converge into like these sort of broad universal template just doesn't make sense it's not even interesting to me it would be way more interesting if like there was a Christine he met who like genuinely they just do not get along they've become two different people they've got nothing in common anymore she doesn't love him she doesn't reciprocate that love even when he says that she just kind of goes that's cringe yeah like I'm married in this world I have kids and I have friends I'm a different person I'm a different person because Christine isn't defined by Dr. Strange she's not nor should she be yeah it's uh they decided that would be one of the main things they're going to focus on and I just think it was a bad choice there's so little for you to work with in the first place as you mentioned you have to start a little time to work with as well age of Ultron which doesn't star Pepper Potts or uh Jane they both get mentioned as if to imply like we haven't forgotten about them their stories will go on and Pepper's did but Jane's didn't until now but here's the thing here's the thing though like I feel like you got a lot more room to work with on my point they didn't mention Christine because nobody fucking remembered her yeah she wasn't in the entire like second act of Dr. Strange right she only comes in again really late when he's doing the astral projection thing that's right well it's just because it's hard to incorporate her into the story because like she's a nurse and he's going off on a pilgrimage to like Nepal to become a wizard yeah it's a little difficult to keep her in whereas I guess and I guess that was kind of their compromise here was like well in this universe she's like a super duper scientist lady who's in the Illuminati that's how we can get her in which I guess is like less of a connection because I tried with Jane it's like she's an astrophysicist right so or an astronomer so you can kind of connect that to like Asgard a little bit not a whole lot and I don't remember Thor the Dark World very well so she's in a lot of it but no one remembers the movie so yeah Christine is the key to all of Doctor Strange's arcs in this basically so they arrive at Sinister Stranger's house visually just gorgeous so much of it ah who cares we're talking about the writing okay that's what we're focusing on so he comes in and he's like hey buddy I'm you from a double the universe and he's like okay prove it and I don't know about you guys but like this story to me came out of fucking nowhere he talks about when he was a kid he was playing with his sister on a frozen lake she fell through the ice and drowned he couldn't save her I was just like oh yeah I thought it was just me not remembering but apparently it wasn't a thing then no that's brand new well so the thing is that could have been a really cool if we'd done a little bit more work to build up yeah if I can be clear the story itself is strong and there's a reason they're telling us it we'll get to that in a sec to me I was just like oh I had no fucking clue that's like that's really heavy to drop just now I don't know where it feels like okay come up in the first movie you know you'd think he would have alluded to it yeah because that's the way you do it right you know just some give us hints yeah we're the very least bringing up at the beginning of this one if you want to drop it in this film I don't mind it coming up here explicitly for the first time but I think you want just more hints at it so that when I get the reveal it's like oh because here it's like oh I didn't know that whereas it would be a lot cooler I think if it was like oh that explains so much about who you are and why you do the things that you do there's a lot of ways they could have sewn the seeds any earlier point in time yeah so I think the reason they're telling us is that that's a core memory that's defined his whole he doesn't want to get close to anybody too much because he worries that they'll die basically and he can't save them that's the whole I'm too scared to be with Christine thing this thing that happened in his life has scarred him forever is that he couldn't save his sister when she was with him so he worries about the care he can provide and I was like damn it like the one thing that makes some little sense in this film and it's not going to have been properly explored or utilized isn't it kind of interesting that Moon Knight and Doctor Strange have this same kind of plot element roughly the same time they're weird that's interesting well that's just a coincidence really isn't it like huh I assume so because they did draw that it's from the comics right so he's older he's older in the comics when his sister drowns but he's not like a little kid they weren't little kids playing on ice it's very similar but yeah to draw it in on the same week that they did the same thing yeah very bizarre trauma because that creates the false drama that's what makes Star Trek so much but that's what makes it so shit because every character has some trauma it's just a real cheap and easy way to give your character motivation and just do it in a sentence instead of maybe setting it up in your first movie where it made a lot more sense you're dead sister yeah it's what I agree it feels like it was dropped here because they needed to get it dropped somewhere and this is the only place they could find because I still think it's kind of odd to reference something that's happened in your early childhood to an alternate vision of yourself to prove you're an alternate version aside from the fact that you're standing there well so that would be a pretty big giveaway I would imagine like look at me I assume this is quite convincing but maybe not but like what if he's just like so what you just said is all bullshit that never happened to me it's like oh yeah cause I might not have happened to him it's the multiverse it's weird that he defaults immediately to like you know tell me something only I would know it's like well that's not really what you need to do is it? no I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to tell an alternate version of myself to prove him an alternate version of myself I'd be like well I'm an alternate version of you so I might not even share anything with you so I don't you know how do I prove you like I didn't even have a sister but um yeah the sinister stranger's like yeah we don't talk about that do we it's like okay I guess he believes you okay sweet man what if after he told him the sister dying in the eye story the other stranger's like oh you didn't save her oh piece of shit dick I did she's married now and she has kids and she's having a happy life he's very happy about the fact that I saved her yeah we get along really swimmingly so to speak nice and you know what he'd say then he'd be like you know what get the hell out of my universe and then blast me then until he's killed by a statue I guess statue spell or something the sinister strange has himself like a monologue he says Christine Austin at a wedding if he was happy remember that happened to our dude in our world and he's like I have the power of gods of course I'm happy I don't know why I lied but right yeah okay what we do in here what's going on and um I would kind of we've talked about this before but I was kind of at the cinema just waiting for like what's the the turn gonna be what is what is gonna be the thing that makes the tone go to like dark what what is he gonna tell strange that makes us go like oh no and it was so much funnier than I thought it would be I was expecting him to be like to eventually explain how he's just been fucking annihilating universes over and over again searching for a Christine that loves him that would actually be like something that I could understand happening from a corrupted doctor strange but it was much funnier than that so talking about how he's sad he doesn't get to be with Christine but uses the dark hold to dreamwalk into other doctor strangers to see if they're with Christine and he says he keeps finding doctor strangers that are just as unhappy as he is so you know he just eventually decides fuck it I'll kill him obviously I'm like it's just like what why and it's like is this sad I want them to be sad so they have to die oh this is the this is the rare mercy suicide incel strange yeah he must have had an encounter is like oh you're not with Christine you must be unhappy it's like no no I'm good I'm fine I'm like video games and shit like it's great yeah I'm only more of a matchler at heart you know I have all these awesome friends in the avengers like it's fucking great I love it here the chat said incel strange it's funny like I don't know what else to say I was just like oh you just you just went nuts and killed everybody okay whatever I guess so are there no gay doctor strangers in the multiverse then because they probably wouldn't give a shit about Christine well then no all the gay ones they have a Chris in their universe that's but there's gonna be one universe where Christine wants to be together with the gay with the gay one he's like no leave me alone I don't I'm with girls stranger strange so yeah he's just like okay do you mind if I use the dark hold to save my universe and then since the strange is like I'll let you have the dark hold if you give me your Christine and then he just goes she's not gonna go for that and attacks him did anyone else have the thought of like man could have lied again and another instance where he could have just lied could have done anything that's more intelligent also you're like evil I don't I really don't think that she's gonna be like into you I'm trying to talk about like bro I've met this Christine you don't want to be with her she's kind of you're like oh oh you got bad luck on the Christine's he's like oh you described her as my no she's just following me like I don't yeah you can have her actually or actually from different multiversities ourselves it's a really long story I am not going to recount it because I don't even remember how I got here do you know how I got here do you know how I got here don't be something only I would know like how I got here actually can I use your bathroom like it's been a while I've been on the road for a while here I didn't have to pee I've had to piss across multiple universes can I make myself a sandwich I know where it is like I know the house so it's fine I was like wow you must be from a different universe to know my house layout yeah um and then there is another kind of crazy thought here but like what if you know he's you but supercharged because he has the dark hold meaning if you were to fight him you're probably going to lose meaning your choices here are lose or lose Christine and save the universe that sounds a lot more interesting and relevant to his arc than what they actually did yeah we're lucky it's a book of a shot oh no no damn music fight yeah we have a music fight instead um I mean this what can you even say about this mechanically I have no fucking clue what's happening it's a kind of thing that's like visually like it's a really awesome concept visually I have just two magic people using music as weaponry but it's just such nonsense here and I've actually been trying to think of a version of this fight that would actually make sense like what would you have to do the only thing I've thought of so far is if it's like two people sparring just trying to push the limits of what magic can actually do so they're choosing intentionally ridiculous um ways to use magic that wouldn't necessarily come up in a realistic combat scenario but um that's about all I've got so far maybe that could escalate into a real one they were already using the music notes by that point but with this one why did they both decide to use the music notes like I think I've heard is that Dr. Strange is a fan of classical music so that's why he chose it that's not a that's not a good enough no is it not all this fuck he fights like a barrage of those things into this strange it doesn't do anything to him other than make him go I hate that track no to me this is just like the end point of Dr. Strange's powers where you're like yeah stuff I don't know it's like how does he start this fight he pulls them off music beats it's like but how does that work that's just ink it's like well magic shut up it's magic yeah I guess the Darkhold is a book so written that yeah letters you could letters Adam you could like the word like stab make a shop throw that at someone that could be poignant yeah but yeah it's like there's no rhyme or reason to magic it just does whatever does he have to have the music sheets or can you just summon notes in general if he spills ink on the floor can he summon a big patch that like the are you stronger if you know how to read music I don't even know if that matters I don't know maybe can you weaponize the dicks drawn on bathroom cubicles I hope so do that all the time yeah he just takes the letters off the stalls and throws them at people F-O-R-A-G-O-O one of the things I very much enjoyed I was reading through a thread on this film and they've seen in particular it was the split decision on whether or not this scene is awesome or cringe and lots of people were arguing for both sides and there was two people whose discussion was particularly interesting where they were trying to argue one of them was like it's a classic ramy scene it's fucking awesome the other one was like no ramy doesn't do this shit this is embarrassing I was like so you can't even figure out if it's his or not like this is studio meddling the music fight I knew it who knows until someone in an interview says who's mine and then someone else is like oh you believe him do you I don't even know what I believe in I don't know anymore I don't even know they have a big I am all the Jedi moment just like every magic fight ends that way and it blows up our strange is fine the evil strange gets blown through the window and lands on the fucking railings that stab him to death like it's just funny it's like yeah course what else is going to happen you have to get rid of it whatever fucking ubercharged strange loses you're like okay fine we got it with this film is going to move along like it's just what else are we going to do fuck you we move it on um so he got there's no context for any of this for Christine she walks up to him and his third eye opens and gives her a little look see and she like screams just like okay and then the scene cuts I was going to say but then we cut over to good old uh Scarlet Witch and so I was I was just like you know we'll talk in a sec about how much that doesn't make sense I guess we'll just it's actually it's not Scarlet Witch it's Wong they show us that he's alive and fine even though Scarlet cracked open on that rock how did he land softly on the rock if you look at where he fell it's not possible with the momentum and the angle that he fell that he would have remained on that spot that's just not happening and even if he had all of its bones even if he had it they're all gone he's jealous farm fresh plot armor beautiful yeah he tosses the thing up and like it's funny he throws it up like a grappling hook and it hooks on to just really awkwardly to two rocks and he starts climbing Jay asks me about this he's like did he did you do that with magic? like why did that work? and I was just like yeah he did it with magic does he have a sling ring here again? he should have a sling ring they didn't show us getting lost but I guess he doesn't have it anymore the thing is that little rope is sorcery it's literally got a wire of sorcery on it but they told us they can't use sorcery but they can really they can so you know it always struck me as odd that you can do all the stuff that you can do with magic but you specifically for portals need a sling ring like it's tied to the rings and it seems to stand out like it's not just a thing you could do with magic well they have a couple of tech limited bits of magic in the original film like the they have like little booties and then they have obviously the cloak of levitation is like they have select items that are enchanted and do different magical things as items and I guess the sling ring is just those it would have been a good way to limit how insanely powerful that is there's only one sling ring and it's the ring of who lucho and you have to have it and it's very very special and you can't just you know make portals whenever you want because everyone's got rings that would be good um so she starts the big suck um which is boxed in terms of timeline like that means that she had her on the table and then it took all the time it took strange to get to sinister strange for her to start sucking nice I don't feel the need to change the wording there that was perfect I think it's perfect just the way it was yeah um so that's a nice little stretching of time to make this kind of work out um and we cut back and doc strange is looking through the dark hold and he's found the universe america's in so now he's preparing and wonderful old christine walks in and she has some stuff to say I wish she wouldn't talk but she keeps doing it yeah it's really annoying um she says wow you strangers you're all the same and it's like what is she talking about it's like well the use of the dark hold and you might be like christine do you want to ask him about what happened literally a man just got impaled in front of you yeah where did he go where how still down there and wiggling she didn't ask if like is he friends is he supposed to be dying do we care about him are we helping him is he dead nope none of those questions just opened his eye his dying thing his last moment he hates christine that much now he's he's flipped as a character christine ultimately has brought him so much pain and so much suffering through yearning this unhappiness he's so much of an incel now that his last thing that he'll ever do was to give a real spooky eye right before he dies so he terrified a woman yeah then he dies so really it all makes sense um if she doesn't ask about any of that she just immediately starts chastising him for trying to save the multiverse yep he's gonna slap her she'd be like shut up help idiot does anyone in this universe want to save the universe that there is does anyone care um and you know what he doesn't he doesn't even try that counter that I'm trying to save the multiverse he just says you're right we are all the same yeah oh like um oh okay alright then because you just killed an evil version of yourself who said that he went to different multiverses to kill Dr. Strange just because they were happy no unhappy hard to say without laughing but it's like I don't even know why you would say that Mr. Strange man I have no clue what are you smoking we are the same did you smoke the dark hole are you high on evil make more sense um but yeah I don't know like it's like you so checked out at this fucking point she was like yeah whatever whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen I guess and um yeah he says like I'm gonna need you to like and you just shut up and just help me at this point defend me against um the people who are gonna what I was gonna attack me and it's just like okay and then he's preparing to dreamwalk and she's like don't you need a living thing to dreamwalk into and he's like who said that and then it's he's he's jumping into good old zombie defender strange um there's a lot to talk about with this oh there's so much that there's so much first of all you can dreamwalk into dead people what does that mean I could do more because it's like if we're supposed to us understand it as you take advantage of whatever their sort of standing is in that universe like as in you get access to all of their senses and abilities when you're a dead person uh what are you what are you exactly taking out I get it's like the mind connection you have two minds and you're magically bridging the gap or whatever but a body's just it's just like can you do that to roadkill it's just like there's no blood flowing and I know that they have him move in like ooh zombie ways it's like well I mean you're not moving at all right you've got no control over it there's no blood pumping there's nothing you're dead then you might be like are you ruining the magic of zombie stuff and it's like no okay okay look I'm just saying the magic of zombie stuff it's weird that you can dreamwalk into things that don't even necessarily have to like how decomposed does he have to get before you can't dreamwalk anymore because I think it's a much clearer rule that you can't dreamwalk if they're not living like that could have been a nice little borderline but now it's like what if he's like mostly dust can you still get in there well you see Mola if he's cremated you turn into like a dust man that just walks around or you turn into sandman you fly around great and you know what that's just the simplest of issues with this it's like okay we'll just we'll file that away and fine file that in fine sufficiently together corpse is enough sure he's uh this is gonna be pretty useless for him because getting into zombie defender strange puts you in new york city which is very far away from mount went to core or whatever but you're gonna need something to get you there mount went to core is actually in southern canada so it's not that far I guess I'm sure you can walk there but that still wouldn't be fast enough would it you're gonna take a bit too long yeah he's gonna need something some kind of he's gonna have to walk somewhere to get something I don't know but luckily for him when he when he rises from his grave they have a very explicit shot to show he has a sling ring oh that's useful oh very very upsetting when I saw that uh in the old theater because you lied to me movie you told me he didn't have one you told me he died because he didn't have one but he has one how dare you kind of changes the uh the whole movie really the opening scene should have been him opening a portal directly to the book with America he grabs it cast a spell to kill spaghetti monster cast a spell to kill wander and then the credits roll yep yep but no the whole movie changes because they forgot that he had it they didn't I did they forget or did they get to this point and they went oh shit yeah that's the reality they said how does he get to the mountain like sling ring like yeah but he can't they wouldn't even have said that they would have just said sling ring no I don't even believe that they remember he's not supposed to have one they would have been like yeah he's a dead straight because to be honest with you Doctor Strange should have taken that off him when he buried him he should have been like that's a sling ring that's really useful plus if for whatever reason that I have gets magically disappeared and I will have a spare what a shame man that's because I completely missed that because I was going for a piss when that scene happened so I didn't even catch that I just flew there because I didn't know where that mountain was I've never more explicitly felt in my head I was like you cheaters fucking useless writers you cheated you've broken your own rules man no I have one don't worry metal we're gonna get flight later we'll get some flight well so there's so many problems that's the next one right so he portals away ends up on mount went to core and then you hear a voice say something like Steve and Strange possessing the dead is forbidden or something like that it's like wait what it's forbidden to dreamwalk into dead bodies but it's not forbidden to dreamwalk into living people apparently it's literally more ethical oh no but the demons are like oh you did something that's better and drag you to hell and of course someone in shatter said forbidden by whom good question the squeaky clearly the festo I guess he's like hey wait they didn't even hide it he has it in the opening scene I didn't have a look I couldn't see it in the opening scene but if he actually is fucking wearing it in the opening scene I don't know that's almost worse which problem would you like to have this bountiful harvest of problems it's so horrible this bumper crop this year problems on the problem tree because at least if he doesn't visually have it in the first scene you could have a very retarded head cannon where the hole they buried him in just accidentally had a sling ring yeah that's convenient it was long as a secret sling ring smash apparently it's on his belt that's fucking annoying but oh well we're halfway through the film we could have got where did that extra sling ring go it was here in the dirt on the top of this plant in New York City it's just funny that it's forbidden to do it to the dead but not the living it's just like that makes no sense at all but okay we'll have to yet again be like fine that's how your rules work and so they start fluminal over him they're like if you don't leave this body if you don't cease this dreamwalk right now we're gonna drag you to hell hey check that out look at that reference hey I bet a lot of those people haven't watched that film I guarantee many haven't seen it we're probably still right though what is that I know of the movie I'm just curious how many people like this film was so Sam Romance like have you seen it or Oz the Great and Powerful I'm genuinely curious I have the only things he made were the Evil Dead that one time in Spider-Man that's usually what you get reference to even Evil Dead is a bit of a stretch I think for some for some people it's just Spider-Man yeah if you look at the video essay it's a lot of them only cite Spider-Man it's like he's done a lot you know our eyes was not good you would have assumed if you're so fucking hyped that a singular person did the thing that you're interested in you'd check out just check out other things like oh man there might be interesting things I like or I can just reference in my videos and stuff do they have Spider-Man in it Spider-Man well he made a film in the 90's called Doc Man yeah he did fucking awesome I've heard good things about that if I've dragged me to hell we could do that sometime definitely a movie that works for that this movie dragged me to hell so anyway that's kind of where I was going he starts getting dragged to hell all the demons are grabbing him and now it's up to Christine to save him what I was so lost in the cinema I was like why didn't you tell her this is what it is and how is she supposed to defeat Evil Dead Spirit monsters what the fuck is she gonna do she's just a lady slap him like what's gonna happen I have no idea lucky for her she is thrown across the room and bumps into a weapon that she recognizes luckily knows how to use okay so that's how she knew it because that's when I came back into the screening room it's like what does she have there and then just fires it at one of the ghosts okay pretty weird and again redrafting would get them to be like is there any way we can get her to use that in a way that could make more sense what if he told her about it before he went under that's an idea there's a weapon over there that you could use to do the thing I need you to do it's kind of multiverse and he's like you may not believe me but you're about to be attacked by Undead Spirits okay a little warning that would be great but anyway this thing is like explosive flamethrower and she fires it directly in his direction I thought it was really funny he's just on the floor and she blows them away right it's like you could have killed him but that's fine don't worry about it and yeah she gets rid of the two that are here like man lucky there wasn't the 16ish of them you got through just a couple stragglers and then something happens that I really don't fucking like so he's striggling okay he'd be struggling he's just oh he's writhing he doesn't know what to do he's going to hell help him out and she said by the way this is a line that's celebrated by so many people it's like an awesome fuck yeah moment in the film we're gonna have a different conversation about it he grabs his hand he says hey you're the master of the mystic arts their spirits use them and then they do like the guitar sound he's like oh yeah that's a good idea I'll use them whatever that means as an ethnic line I didn't even remember the line till now two major issues with this first why the hell is that something you're telling him what the fuck that happened in moon night too like multiple times I don't understand like he's the sorcerer supreme like let's be honest it's like why the hell wouldn't he have done this to begin with why would he need christine to tell him you're a sorcerer bro like what yeah I know thank you fuck up but I'd say possibly the more pressing issue you're telling me these these things specifically designed to drag a sorcerer to hell if they start to infect and control a dead body the greatest weakness is a sorcerer yep what the fuck's the point the point is that they wanted the imagery of dr strange with a bunch of like scary skeleton arms and then flying with a massive like cape assembly from demons all set up this looked really cool and it did this film is beholden to a lot of visuals that they wanted it answers all the questions for why any of this happened all of it's been crazy nonsense everything to do with these spirits it's like yeah it all happened because they were just trying to get the visual that's it and they wanted the trailer shot yeah the trailer shot of a zombie dr strange with a bunch of crazy like skeleton arms this film is very much beholden because that's the reason why they had wonder walking around like a zombie instead of flying around because it looked they thought it looked cooler there's so many things in this film you just wanted something that looked cool and you didn't care how you got it yeah they just wanted the metal visual of a zombie dr strange with bat wings made of demons and it works people have been sharing the fuck out of it being like one of the best parts of the film is amazing I'm just sitting here like I mean visually visually impaired but it's object makes sense kind of important yeah it'd be nice if it made sense but never mind we can't have everything it'd be nice if anything made sense we can't have anything so he's heading toward the temple with his big old spirit wings now and the demons spot him and one of them starts casting some wonder spells and it's like wait what oh okay here we go we're about to have a big fight he gets stabbed in the head by wong he's pulled off the cliff oh well that was easy yep that's uh yeah could have been cool could have had a cool flight there they were just sitting around all that time they were a little bit rusty I guess also just the knife you just stab with a knife and I die maybe that one didn't get pre-visualized so that was not quite and then you're like okay well knives are the weakness there's three left so you know what are we going to do with them well Doctor Strange appears and blows them off and then they're dead well because remember they're throwing little rocks at him they're like here's a rock I'm going to get you throwing them rocks down but then they get you want to use those wonder powers again let's just use the rocks just give them a little push and they're all dead that's it easy peasy and that's the end of those monsters and trailer shots well uh funny you mentioned that of course because uh yeah Doctor Strange then takes the time to acknowledge you can see Wong Wong shouts strange's name and he does a little spinny cool like I'm awesome thing and then he lands to attack Wanda and it's like bro what about Wong what about Wong you buddy who you haven't seen for a while he's hanging on the edge of a cliff what are you also Wong wants to say I don't even gonna ask or something once it gets up there I thought it was when he was still hanging I'm not sure maybe this in in the trailer he's like oh strange like he screams it like he's scared of what's happening to Miss Leidu but in the film he's like strange woohoo yeah I don't know how I feel about this where you include content that isn't in the film to trick people feels like in the last of us too and it's like Joel's there it's not, it's a lie you lied to me well the funny thing is that take is more suitable Wong shouldn't be happy that he's seeing this he shouldn't be how does he know that it's actually the easy straight forward argument is this is evidence that strange is using the dark hold which corrupts you and also you don't even know that this is the real strange it could just be a zombie strange yeah this doesn't look great whatever's happening even though those beasts got knocked off the cliff it's like you don't know what's going on here man exactly this instead of inspecting that and asking a question they make it a joke I don't even want to know I know you've been having a bad day but like man you really don't want to know I would imagine oh and that's because this final battle sucks it's like all it is is that Dr. Strange is like here have some ghosts wander what happens I want to highlight that wander is only aware of him once he lands she hasn't paid attention to anything that's happened up to that point yeah just is not aware of any of that and obviously she has not finished the big suck hmm oh really long suck it takes to get it power apparently hey that's a lot of power to travel a multiverse how long you tell me how long she should be sucking 10 years the final battle in this room is just here's some monsters they're going to get you and then we're going to put you in like a sphere and lock you in and then there's a couple punches that's the final battle the way that they portrayed is she fires a bunch of magic at him and the demons eat it all like yeah it seems to me that they were trying to yeah they were trying to tell us that if anything her attacks will just power him up I was like okay that ain't true that's not what happens but it's just like what demons are not hungry anymore these fights are really crap like you know think about like other marvel movies where they try to find ways to leverage the unique abilities of each character in a situation you know like in like in Avengers when the whole team is working together but they're leveraging specific skills that they have like oh we'll get clean up on the roof keeping an eye on wherever he's going and calling out patterns Tony's going to be flying around the perimeter and leveraging his maneuverability in New York to beat out the architari and then like Thor's going to be trying to fly around and just take down the big monsters like let's leverage their powers to have really cool fights and here it's send demons at you and then we're going to lock you in a sphere that'll show you Wanda is just as fucking dense now as she always has been the first thing she says when she sees him is Hippocrite and it's like bro when you're about to destroy the fucking multiverse yes I will use the Darkhold well it's kind of funny because in interviews that's something that Elizabeth Olson's been saying like oh she's calling out the hypocrisies like is this one of like the five lines that sort of happens with each Marvel movie of like the broad topics that you have to keep hitting every time it doesn't make sense how is he a Hippocrite for using the Darkhold to save the universe when you're using it to just destroy everything to get to your kids that aren't even yours they're not even yours unbelievable it's in chat you're like liar it's like it's worse than that it's worse than that so yeah and again non stop nonsense so she's trapped in that sphere Wong's trying to hold everybody's like she's going to break free you've got to take America's power and it's funny to me it's like no kill her don't take the fucking power because then Scarlet Witch will just take it off him kill her stop fucking around finally we can do that finally we can do what Defender Strange didn't even like it's just funny to come full circle we are about to resolve one of the four arcs for Doctor Strange that arc being you know what I'm not going to be ruthlessly pragmatic anymore I'm going to be an idiot instead I'm actually going to give you a pep talk and hope that the universe doesn't the multiverse doesn't die his grand plan is hey America believe in yourself okay I'm not on a joke I want to make sure people understand this who are listening and don't know what happens he walks up to her and gives her a literal pep talk it's not like there's nothing else to it there's nothing else you need to know as a zombie as a zombie, zombie strange as a pep talk and then says go kick that witch's ass which we're going to have in a second because that implies something but um yes that's all he tells it he has no reason whatsoever to think that'll work but he's gonna try I guess it's also apparently he's gonna switch and in this early in the fight he just stops trying fighting her I guess and I guess it's worth pointing out though as well Defender Strange getting his corpse paraded around like this guy like what an awful fate he's had nobody cries for Defender Strange there's no fad for Defender Strange he dies a horrible death despite actually saving America's life in the end and his reward is getting his corpse paraded around well I'm considered a traitor and he's such an amazing guy he would be okay with it if that's what it took because he's that kind of hero there's no burial for him he's buried under a bunch of rubble like he's not in there I know he's not in there but like it's his corpse just getting paraded around well it's just kind of like it's about respect like nobody gives a fuck about it nobody cares I mean to rewind it at the beginning of the film when Dr. Strange is looking at his very first dead self he's like I got a ponytail dude he's dead like man died yeah MCU movies don't like to linger on realities ever they're just like it's funny actually that's what it is it's funny he's unethical to possess one's own body it's not his own it's a different person it's not his yeah absolutely not there's nothing unethical about possessing wonder then it's a different person I certainly think it's more it's less ethical to take over the body of a person who's alive obviously but still you know that's definitely worse it's just like there's no acknowledgement of like Dr. Strange died trying to save the universe and his fanfarer is he gets buried on a roof and ever remakes fun of him and then he gets his corpse paraded around and melted and buried underneath a pile of like all this rubble and considered someone who betrayed America yeah bullshit what about what about the Avengers and his universe are they gonna be wondering where he he fucking went they won't even inform his universe what happened to him he just disappeared they don't know there's no body they don't ever find his body they'll never be a funeral he's God yeah he's disappeared one day in the universe where he actually got Christine and that's the one where he disappears yeah that wasn't meant to be I'll be right back I just gotta save this girl real quick and yeah and she actually says in this scene by the way just take my power just kill me like that's clearly we gotta stop Wanda from getting it and it's just like fuck you what exactly was Iraq regarding that someone might intuitively say well it's the amount of death she's seen surely and it's like they didn't really leverage that did they it's never really acknowledged throughout the film nope because America's just kind of a plot device she's not really much of a character at all no fucking annoying there should have been several moments where she has to come to terms with the fact that every fucking person that dies with Wanda chasing her she has some level of cause and effect change she's involved she's not ethically responsible in any way as far as I'm concerned but at the same time she's going to feel as though she is that responsibility belongs to Maria Rambo for letting Wanda go at the end of Wanda vision it's all her fault Monica Rambo because Monica might have actually had the capacitors I guess we'll find out in the movie right like what she can do she might have been able to stop her probably and I wouldn't even be surprised if she'd like confirmed she was so correct with what she did in Westview no I don't think it will ever be acknowledged again I think they'll forget I think they've moved on like Monica's involvement in Wanda's story I think is over I imagine Westview might get a line because it's going to be where she got her power from maybe but like no I don't think they're going to reference Wanda I think they're just moving on it's like nice to get in her own story we're not and she got another version of her mum killed well done well done I didn't even think of that yeah that's that's all he gives her is go beat her up I believe and then that's the motivation she actually needs to like be able to control her powers it actually works it's like one of the worst so it's just like Captain Marvel by the way where she learns to fly it comes out of fucking nowhere it's just like we just do that now well because in Captain Marvel it's like why would you believe that that's something you can do why would you your powers do not involve flying no don't jump off that bridge but um yeah but yeah Dr Strange just sort of tanks a shot from Scarlet Witch he almost walks into it he just takes it and it burns half of his fucking body off it's like oh okay well yeah I just want to break out of the out of the thing she broke out and so America's disappeared for a minute it's like what's going on she starts like really incinerating Dr Strange to the point where he's like and then you hear like a it's fucking American she's like jumps in a hero pose and she's like what is this what are we doing Jesus and yeah she punches Wanda in the face so hard it causes a shockwave that spreads through the entire mountain so like Wanda's dead Wanda is in pieces she has she has no head it's so stupid I was just like what are you trying to say and Wanda's just like um taking them you're not stopping her it's at that point that she like when she punches or it opens a portal to like a moose to fire and Wanda nearly falls in but then like America throws another punch and Wanda blocks it and she's like I can't defeat you it's like yeah you could have just kick her into the moose to fire just close the portal she's in moose to fire her feet are in moose to fire she could have just closed the portal in one she's fucked if she's left there but no we still got drama we need to we need to have worth pointing out Dr Strange said the plan in full was kick her ass that's all he's got he doesn't have any other plan she tried to kick her ass it didn't work so Dr Strange should right now be like well that's it we lost yeah sorry I kind of just I don't know what other magic bullshit I could pull out of my ass all for this one I think we might actually have ran out of things the writers gave us but then America opens up one last portal and it's to the west view house in the alternate universe it's actually the you illuminate universe that's got scars on her face the good one well it's honestly if it were any other one it wouldn't make anywhere near as much sense but it also doesn't make any sense because the idea here is that Wanda thanks to Charles understands what's happening to some degree because he explained it to her if you remember kind of quickly so that's what informs why she ends up saying what she says so yes this is that universe that's gonna cause loads of problems in a second we're gonna get there so she sees her kids and they scream at her like oh my god mommy what the fuck and then she's confused as to why they would be upset when this crazy emotion and then mom just teleports in like through a portal then Wanda turns up like the good Wanda dare I say and Scarlet Witch Wanda just fucking blasts her way instantly because it's just like yeah of course don't do anything to it they've got a highlight so that happens and America sees that and she goes to do something because that's what a normal good person would do and Dr. Strange goes no wait it's like wait bro why hello she might kill her like what do you what do we wait this is like yeah because Dr. Strange has already predicted exactly how this will go when he has no fucking reason to think it'll go the way it does wait sorry we've skipped we've skipped over the portal stuff we needed to talk about Dr. Strange is talking about America he says like you've always he essentially says like you've always kind of known where you were going no you need to believe in yourself taking us where we needed to go well I mean Mola what is what does he say exactly part of the pep talk involves like like so I said there was like nothing for him to think it I guess this is the reasoning for the movie to think that she can take the Scarlet Witch on because he believes that every portal she has opened has been deliberately designed to take them wherever they needed to go it's the word he uses is needed to go and then she says which is one of the bazillion counters by the way but they don't go over all of them he says what about the first one I opened meaning the one that fucked her parents over and sent her to a different universe and he says that led you here thanks moms yeah so I guess to run back to run back all of the problems that stem from this so like up until this point I'm going to go through them tumble through all of these universes it's like okay so first of all man it was both very convenient and very inconvenient that the portal that you opened when you were being attacked as you went for the Book of Vashanti took you to the universe was seemingly the best Doctor Strange but also the Scarlet Witch was trying to get you like man what out of infinite realities well better way to say that then would be that we're away from someone who is in only one universe right she said we have to clear this up too because you might be like wait why is there anyone so if there was more than if there were infinite Scarlet Witches chasing America then we should see them but we don't why don't we well she's a nexus being quote unquote which is something you're supposed to infer from meta knowledge that she's the only one across the multiverse how does that make any sense no idea it just it doesn't but we'll have to accept that for the sake of this because it has to be true we don't see loads of Scarlet Witches everywhere we should we should be all of them should be chasing America because America is the only one of her kind is what they told us in the movie so yeah so if she's the only one that's we're not talking about a needle in a in space okay we're talking it's infinite the odds of here America Shavas deciding I need to get to a good Doctor Strange in order for me to be successful that's this guy it's like that universe is also the one that the Scarlet Witches in what are the odds one in infinite we've talked about this before off stream but I think that is the biggest contrivance we will ever have ever that is there's nothing it's plausible it's in what is like a billion billion billion billion you can't even use doubles it's infinite and then you run through that you run through that line of reasoning again when they escaped from Karmatage it's like it's real lucky that none of your portals opened in the vacuum of space or in like the middle of a star or in places that you couldn't survive and it's really lucky that your portals kept opening to take you to a universe that the Illuminati universe where you can live would have sucked the power stop working in the paint universe that just would have been the end of year I guess it's like no he's out he couldn't have done this well at least the one who orchestrated all the TVA is dead and also what does it mean for Kang to do that like if they teleport to the paint universe does he open a portal to the paint universe and then delete them and reset the timeline so that they can try to filter through all the portals again except this time keep going and get to the Illuminati universe otherwise it's just another one in infinite chances that it leads them to this universe where there's a door that leads them to the Book of Ashanti like that there's a portal there if it teleported them anywhere else like the noir universe or the dinosaur world and they got stuck there that just would have been the end of them well and then again it's called Jurassic World oh why didn't the portal just take them straight to the Book of Ashanti the second time because Doctor Strange is full of shit yeah it's a roundabout way to get us to that book well so this is the thing you have to judge it so on the track that it always took them to where they needed to go to eventually have it be that the Scarlet Witch was defeated that means that whatever her subconscious is it decided we have to have all these people die the Illuminati have to die all these innocent sorcerers they have to die I don't see how that makes sense in terms of the way that powers work from her perspective that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me it puts their deaths on her if you're arguing that this is like yeah subconscious she decided it's just like you know you have the ability to get to the thing you need but you keep choosing alternate paths for no reason at all and your delays cause people to die it's like you need to fucking think about that but that's let's be honest that ain't it that's not actually what happened because she had no fucking control over this which means she has been fucking incredibly lucky throughout this whole film all those lucky lucky luckery bordering on impossibility actually bordering on impossibility like in the in the truest sense of the word and here's another thing that we're thinking about what does it mean as a human being with a human brain that can only understand concepts at like a human level to be able to consciously or subconsciously identify individual universes amidst an infinite number of universes and then go to those places like what does it mean for her to say yeah let's get back to the MCU timeline how do you envision that wouldn't there be an infinite number of duplicate MCU timelines how would you even imagine where in that universe you need to go like on earth of all of the planets and all of the star systems and all of the galaxies and all of the universe in all of the universes how do her powers work how can she consciously choose where she's going I don't see how it's even possible this is the it's infinite it's infinite realities yeah yeah and she's from a universe called utopia called utopia and only has women it's a universe made of only women who can have children neat little girls well actually it's good they brought that up because that's going to come up again very soon oh boy we need to talk about that but yeah so telling her that has made it so that she now has complete control over her powers just telling her that that was the zombie kind of incredible all the talk was a zombie strange yeah all the talk was being told you have complete it's just a fucking crypto marvel it's a really I believe in yourself for such a shallow message what does it mean to believe in yourself like what does that mean there we go he wasn't superpowered it doesn't it's incredibly unsatisfying when the big payoff for your hero moving from tier one to tier two if you will it's just yeah I believe that I could you should have believed sooner yeah I guess that was just our mistake for now right so that was the big thing we were waiting to have a conversation for this whole time was them establishing that turns out every time they go through one of his stupid ass portals it's because she's directing them to a particular place so that doesn't make any sense she should have gone straight to the book of Ashanti she didn't fuck her simple instead he was time killing everybody but I don't think the movie wants to address that so catching back up with where we were her kids are pretty terrified because their monster mother just attacked their actual mother and monster mother is like boys I'm not a monster I'm not I'm just like whoa this is so good because she's realizing she's a monster now we will just say you're like okay come on what are we doing also I guess worth not moving past it they're scarred for life at any point some crazy witch person come out of a portal and terrorize them there's some big look I'm just terrified I said a zombie talking to a girl what the fuck is happening it's just like what does she think was gonna happen so this is the fundamental argument people make is that yeah but to see it happen that's different than to know so it's difficult for me because I'm like so you're telling me that she really didn't believe the idea that her kids would find it horrible is that what you're saying that was a reality because she thought in her head they'll probably be fine with me murdering people right that's probably chill oh no they're like attacking their actual mother well and um I just don't think it lines up anyway you try and slice it because earlier when Marikashava said your kids will think this is horrible and she said they'll never know so she knows then that her kids would disapprove of this so seeing them disapprove it means what exactly to her the first thing yeah yeah the end of WandaVision where she's going over the dark cold and she hears her kids in trouble that's where it ended you hear mom help and it could have connected to the scene but they never made it sound like in the movie that she was after those kids because they were in trouble they completely disconnected I don't remember that or not but they're like help mom help mom that's why she blinks up at the end of WandaVision I guess they changed their mind I guess each time probably since yeah I was going to highlight what the payoff should be here is that she's like well these ones are ruined I'm going to have to go for a different one now these ones are ruined basically yeah because she knew they wouldn't approve of this the whole time so why would them being like wow you're a monster for hurting our mother be something that would change her course of action she knows that they would think that that's obvious she thinks that she's aware that this is immoral I don't like yeah I just remember earlier in the film she was like oh yeah that was me being reasonable so she understands scalability in terms of like what I'm doing and she said I don't relish like killing people so like which is obviously not true help me out because people adore this and I'm like why and it's like because seeing her children react to her doing these horrible things was enough to push her over the edge of realizing that it was a horrible thing she's like no she always knew it was horrible she always knew that so what exactly is happening here and it's just like she's seeing her kids upset that's enough and it's like okay it just sucks then doesn't it that the entire film all these different people appealing to her and all these miserable fucking lives getting snuffed out as they scream in pain because of all the efforts they put into trying to stop her from taking over the entire multiverse or destroying it none of that is not even a blip what is though is her children who aren't even hers crying because they're beating she's beating up their mum of course they're crying none of this lines up for me I don't follow it's not a meaningful arc as far as I'm concerned it's yeah it's it's totally empty it's like the most vapid arc ever seems rushed to me where they're just like I don't know this this is what this is what gets it a snap out of it and it's like so the dark hole is not very effective then huh if you can be snapped out no I don't understand how you capable of character growth at the same time it could turn you totally evil that's what I'm saying they will argue to death that she was completely corrupted she's not responsible for anything she does in this film simultaneously she's capable of character growth and will stop doing evil things it's like you have to choose one or the other yeah you can't have both of those well she's capable and everything is on her head including the redemption but all of the bad things too you gotta pick one either she had nothing in this film character nothing or she had the meaningful moment that you value but then you have to have her carry all the horrible things she did pick one they both are as outcomes but that's because it's awful it's good not the kids at the end like I mean at some point you the scarlet witch should have just become the scarlet witch it's like this has never been about kids I want to take over the multiverse they always have one connection family trauma you know well because there's the second half of this arc now so that's out of the way it's that she is told by Illuminati Wanda your kids will be loved or these kids will be loved right like and it's supposed to imply a payoff of like that's what she needed she needs to just know that the kids will be happy whether or not she's there even though when she looked through all of the multiverses and cometars she saw them all happy as families so she already knew that also this family will not be happy you've ruined this one's life it's over for this Wanda you've destroyed her life yeah we better we better lay it out because there are a couple counters to this but we'll just get it nice and clean so the Illuminati are an organization that have decided it's worth killing people who have the chance to become like a fucking warhead if you will they're gonna kill her they're gonna absolutely fucking kill her if they even realize that she's just not entirely responsible for all of it like if they conclude with Modo and security cameras this wasn't her this was Evil Wanda taking her body it's like that's fine we're still getting rid of her if Evil Wanda comes back for these kids which is fucking likely she's gonna destroy the universe and the faster we get rid of you the more chance there is that there's no likelihood of an incursion they're killing her they're fucking executing her yeah I mean even if they don't like she's still traumatized I don't see how she can live comfortably and happily knowing that at any point in time she could just have her mind stolen from her and her entire life taken from her her children put in jeopardy and made to do awful things at any given time like it's over for this family she's destroyed it beyond repair and so I hate this being part of the arc being like just know that they'll be happy it's like they won't thanks to you yeah exactly you've made sure of that and they can't even escape to a different universe cause that'll cause an incursion so never mind it's just over stop ruining people's lives yeah it's rude also don't believe that this universe is Wanda would just go home when she sees all the carnage that has happened yeah just chill it out at home maybe she was packing her bag to go to a different universe cause when she exits from the Vishanti book place in between universes whatever the fuck it's called ah my boys and just leaves for the boys straight ahead like straight it's like why well they're alone that's a parent thing but you would definitely like okay all those dead bodies I passed on they're gonna be coming for me we might have a contingency viz where's viz and he comes home from work that's another fuck up too there are gonna be universes where they don't have their mum or their dad in fact there will be infinite of those infinite? it's so crazy how if you use the word infinite it means a lot infinite is a lot well it's infinite it's like all these possibilities you can just make some shit up it's right there because it's infinite it's the one suggestion that everybody's bored with if you ignore all the incursion things that Reed Richards said and just pretend he's an idiot there's no idea what he's talking about like this film does you'd be like yeah send it to a universe where they don't their mum's just died or their mum's just died she'd fucking put a hand in the garbage disposal boom explodes blood everywhere but then you can magic it all up and take a place and everyone's happy just do that but no oh no no we can't do the rick and morty thing cause that would make sense yep Michael Waldron didn't write that episode he wrote the toilet one so he must not have known about that this film is like a toilet yes yes it is so yeah the portal's closed that wander gets to live happily ever dead and we get to go back to our world where zombies strange and America are just sort of standing there awkwardly like are you good now you're not evil anymore I hope you're not evil anymore and that is where I would like to highlight strange had no fucking clue about any of this he said to America go kick that bitch's ass he did not entail you should open up a portal to her alternate self and show her to her kids to make her realize how much for mom's day he didn't say any of that he had no idea he was just watching this happen he's like please please please please please work whatever this is please work please work please work she can do like crazy punches at all I don't know if he saw that it happened in the movie no you're right he didn't I don't even know what he thought was going to happen I don't know what he expected to happen the idea with that character has more powers than just travelling through the multiverse right but he doesn't know that because this is what I'm getting at now and last it was between cuts she told him about all of it or something I mean that's how you do story telling ok you leave only important information during the cuts when nobody can see it yeah Wanda then decides fuck it I'm just going to destroy the temple with me that's probably the best thing to do since I'm a horrible fucking influence on the world yes she destroys herself while America escapes with Wong they go right to Kamatash um so Dr. Strange technically wasn't even at the final battle scene of his own fucking movie dude I don't even know what did he do like he told America to do a thing she didn't even do that thing and the thing she did won the day and then Wanda did a thing that ended like Dr. Strange in this film is so beyond embarrassing I don't even know what to say so I guess she destroys the castle and it destroys the dark hold in every universe which is fucking bullshit why there's so much to say maybe because if you have to destroy infinite things you need infinite power no you can just be her first and foremost for me it has to be mentioned immediately she's going to destroy every dark hold in every universe and this is considered a plus by Dr. Strange a man who just saved the multiverse with a dark hold how fucking stupid what is the corrosive element of the dark hold if you can use it to save the multiverse I don't care what the corrosive element is if it happens after you've saved the multiverse like who cares at that point that's like one of those it's just a normal mechanic of yeah you can save the world but it'll cost you your life okay then I can totally see Dr. Strange making that decision but yeah incredibly fucking reckless and Dr. Strange approves of this decision I'm just sitting here like bro the dark hold is considered evil you just used it to save the multiverse I don't understand how you can't argue that this is something we should keep for emergencies using the time stone breaking the rules and Dr. Strange was a trade he made to save the universe he's willing to break the rules I actually think that that's what this movie may be trying to do might be trying to say he's finally arched and realized he shouldn't do that but he's been shown to save the universe several times by doing this every time he does it it's unorthodox his unorthodox solutions are the ones that actually end up saving the day as if to imply because it happens in this movie he literally breaks the rules to save the universe it's like they're implying yes but that's not what you should do mm-hmm there's a line explicitly in Dr. Strange from the ancient one where she says she's used obviously drawn power from the dark dimension he says you're not supposed to do that and then she says sometimes we do have to break the rules in order to for the greater good or something like that that was his arc in that film in a sense a lot a lot of it yeah there's this but I guess we've decided the ancient one was wrong even though she's not she's meant to be like pretty smart and aware we're not even talking about it contradicting the movies before it it's itself he just did it he just did it movie what are you talking about like I don't understand what is your point well yeah because when Wanda says hypocritus like because remember at the beginning of the film oh yeah you break the rules and then yeah the line never really breaks but I mean yeah he is a hero because he saves people when he breaks the rules you kill people I'm trying to pull the pieces together and see what the movie's trying to say all I can gather is that it's like which not so different it's like yes they are I don't even know that the film has anything to say I think the film considers the dark hold to be obviously bad all the time and so we need to get rid of every universe we never have to use it again you never have to account for it anymore it's gone yeah it's over you because that's the marvel formula whenever you've used something get rid of it so you don't have to account for it anymore they do it with stones they don't do it with time travel no well they don't ever use it again isn't that funny though that's another thing Dr. Strange could have utilized to beat her oh yeah of course you can just go to the adventures like hey can I use the time machine thanks give me some stones I need to use it quickly on Wanda done and done give them back good real good imagine all of the times an ending story where a different universe's version of one of your characters shows up asking if they could borrow something that would happen all the time constantly you know what a better payoff would be though is if you ask for it and then they say why don't you just use the book of Vishanti and he's like oh hmm yeah remind me what that is again just so I know that you're telling the truth about it and they're like yeah we got a waypoint right here and he's like when was the last time you went in there and they're like oh for a while now we haven't been in he's like yeah okay let's do that but they're like oh god it's gone he's like oh my god what that's horrible that's like the broken remnants of it just on the side it's like oh my god what happened here shit man this sucks whoever did this and then they're like it's okay I installed a camera so I can see who did it he's like no no yeah you bet I'll meet you in the security room and we'll take a look at the footage oh shit my fridge it's on America we have to go we have to get out of here right now we need to get the hell out of here use your powers take me where I need to that's not even the only issue so we've talked about how how the hell can she even do this why the hell would this be approved as a decision considering the nature of the Darkhold dude isn't there a temple in every universe to be transcribed from I guess not there must be the Darkhold is derived from that place so it can't just be from that because yeah it can't just be from that one place I have seen the counter that all of the infinite Darkholds have been transcribed from that temple but how is that possible how the fuck that makes any sense at all how is that possible what happens in like that the multiverse works in Loki that someone just makes a different decision in the MCU timeline where that castle already exists you create two timelines where that castle already exists what is the distinction between them because you can't just have one skull which there's going to be lots of them because of all the branching choices that were made it just doesn't work it can't work you can't have them in the universe because they are one I would again like to say non-stop and their catastrophic issues to the script they just would stop they would never end the issues are just persistent all the time like there's every single aspect of the film there's something where it's like wait a minute no stop hold on no no then we got Doctor Strange telling Christine I love you after they say the wonder did the right thing oh yeah they make sure to say that and it sounds cringy and almost meta because remember she's going to get her movie so we got to get her back to be in a good guy as quickly as possible yeah they're going to fast track that shit it's probably part of what tempted Elizabeth Olsen to commit to all of this is knowing that the future is going to be a very good movie so they really are so she's going to get a movie where she is the hero I mean almost certainly it's like one of the most popular characters in the series at this stage I hate her I hate her too I have so much hate she'll be back oh yeah I mean she's not dead even if they showed all of her body parts being pulled apart and turned into dust I'd be like she's coming back nothing anymore let me tell you about a guy called Palpatine he was only vaporized at an atomic level he's still out there somewhere he blew up twice and then his ashes tanked a giganook yeah he tells Christine it's not working because he was just too scared he was scared of what would happen and she said time to be brave or something like that time to not be scared anymore that sort of thing which will lead you into one of the end credits scenes until then we're doing another arc which is talking about well actually the first thing they see is just Merrick Chavez is now training to become a sorcerer which is just funny to me it's an occasion coming along well we're getting there give it time but then he talks to Wong and he's like are you happy? you'd think I'd be happy of saving the world but you know what I'm not happy it's just so on the nose in terms of what they're trying to tell you is the message in this film I sometimes think about the alternate visions of myself but then you know I just try to be happy where I'm at even with my tribulations he's not alone he's like yep it's like oh is that it okay that's the movie I guess that's the message it's like if you're not happy just try to be it could be worse I had a gratitude list the end oh one lost catastrophe oh boy there's always room for one more Doctor Strange is about to leave and America's like wait wait wait hey how you doing then he's like oh I'm doing fine how are you doing she's like oh I'm kind of long and he's like you know what your parents will be proud and it's gonna be great when you tell them one day and that should make you remind you of like wait a minute you can go there whenever she wants she can open portals to people we learned remember she gets Doctor Strange and Christine out of the spooky universe that means she can open on you so all she has to do and you saw from the memory store she's got a pretty strong understanding of who those people are at this point think about him open the portal you got him that's assuming they're not dead which they probably are the fact is that that little bit of dialogue confirms she has not tried yeah which is not good for her character character yep I'd argue that's the biggest assassination America's always can face and she's barely started as a character well done ground zero a destroyed one of the most low effort characters of all time that's a speed run it's like how do you destroy someone with no traits and it's like you found a way high five somewhere around with an American flag and she's called America even though she's from a completely different dimension I thought I was kind of confusing to cooler America but I'm hoping people have managed to get through this like we're following we're assuming so much from that yeah well and he also repairs his watch symbolically moving on presumably one of the three arcs also complete now yeah we can't get those arcs complete and done and then he's like I'm gonna go for a stroll through New York oh no I got a third eye and then the end and then I'm gonna go for another stroll and then I'm gonna go for another stroll there's Charlie's third she's clear and then Courage is happening we're going on an adventure see because clear is more on his level he's moving on from Christie he's not gonna have any fear he's gonna go for it because that's the new Doctor Strange the new Doctor Strange when a lady a lady who goes back to her I'm very confusing because we end the first end before we get to the mid-credits scene it's like oh no third eye it's like oh shit this is gonna be bad and then the mid-credits scene comes oh yeah I'm ready and then he opens the third eye and so I was like oh I guess it's not bad I think it was supposed to be like more of a meme that initial not like oh no what's gonna happen to him hey you know that original you know that first ending was where he's losing control that's that's an evil dead reference oh there we go that's what's happening I mean the actual second like the post-credits scene with the clear it's like the only meaning like in universe like I know who that is but in universe it's like wait who are you you know magic like wait what like Encouraging where are you from like who are you it's where we're at you know that hand designed to make the audience members go who's that I know Charlie's they're on but I don't know who this oh are we gonna get into the movie who is it's the oh I'm gonna google here I go it's crafted for the people who don't know but it's also for the people who know who she is yeah it's just that's the way it'll always work it's like Google then it's like oh that's clear and she's part of another faction well she's basically like his partner essentially like yeah they probably should have been in the first movie she probably should have yeah as opposed to Christine get someone who's can go on adventures with him go on anything just makes something good happen please I'm pretty sure MCU films are made for like or they just rely on emergency awesome videos now he just explains all the Wikipedia and comic book knowledge with what they left out it makes it he actually makes it make sense or sound like what's just these films are about what's next always I think I think this film is one of the clearest examples of that because what a lot of people I think went into this film thinking it would be is oh maybe we'll get the mutants established or like oh well maybe we'll encounter these characters maybe they'll be a nightmare or a Mephisto or something that are going to be in the background but and then of course at the end it's like oh but that's clear we kind of it's always about what's next like there's no real investment in the story that they're trying to tell now is a theory they have solved the age of Ultron problem and what I mean is the age of Ultron is often considered to be a failure of a Marvel film because it's so riddled with problems as a result of being pulled in all different directions to set up phase you know every other phase this movie will become one that you'll realize in time that is entirely skippable it doesn't do anything for anybody at all in terms of a permanent way you might even think like well that's got to be bullshit because Scarlet Witch is like no no no she'll become a better person again at some point and you can just ignore that this movie even happened because the MC will ignore that it happened however we have opened up the multiverse a bit more we've got a new character in America Chavez we've got Clea is going to be coming in we've got all this like little baits with all these different characters in the universe it's like it's done the age of Ultron job but it didn't look like age of Ultron when it did it I've gotten better at hiding it America's going to be pivotal unfortunately I'm sure they're going to crank her hardcore along with the is she going to be in the Marvels? No Oh my god that would be great Marvel is Captain Marvel it's Monica and Miss Marvel right that's the team and the Blue Marvel don't forget the Blue Marvel oh okay Marvel's going to have a dude well it's going to be a shit movie I can't wait for that I am which I think prompts the discussion I've been looking to have over the past 10 hours if someone's watched all this go I feel like this is out of my hands and instead I simply have to tell you EFAP for a long time has valued with stories the the idea of cause and effect the one you say okay EFAP how does this movie rank with the MCU is it worse than Captain Marvel is it worse than Black Widow I'm sitting here like you already know the answer we don't need to give it to you I'm not even kidding like I don't blame anybody for having a metric that has a variable applied that involves how much they're enjoying the thing and I can totally see when they're like I enjoy this way more than Black Widow and Captain Marvel I'd be like yep that totally makes sense to me however if we're trying to remove any chance of our own sort of enjoyment of the visual aspects or the performances which are fantastic from a lot of people and we're strictly looking at the writing and how coherent it is I feel like we I don't know if anyone's going to disagree with me here but I feel like this is the least coherent movie in the MCU I agree I agree and I think it's not even close yeah this movie did something special I never think I never thought we'd rival Loki as far as damage goes but here we are well I guess same writer so it's not too surprising but goddamn I thought eliminating free will was bad I guess it isn't even close because I forgot Loki for a moment but yeah this and Loki they share I think this is worse but I think that it is a pedestal that they both can sit upon for worse things, worse stories ever it's worth mentioning I think that Loki is like a similar bad but the thing is this has done more it's like how would you beat something like this is this bottom of the barrel and I'd be like well it's to be this what I mean by that is like add another character throw in Iron Man throw in Cap and ruin him throw in someone else ruin him okay that's how it would max out and that's how I feel this has defeated Loki Loki ruined Loki of the character and damaged the universe significantly this has done those things and a lot more this film is like two hours of pure concentrated nonsense Loki is like five to six hours more spread out less overarching in terms of how many people are influences and how many places nonsense not to say that Loki isn't a catastrophe but like what would somebody point to in this film of you know what that and that connect in a way that makes sense like what would you point to is like yes this plot point and this plot point they follow one another or like other than I guess a character saying a word and then it's followed by a word that makes sense to follow up that word so like hi I'm Steven you know like that would be an example of something that's connecting in this film but I guess we go beyond that there are sentences that make sense and that's about the only thing we can say not in terms of what they say about these people or the world or anything but like you know yes they passed first grade English can we be sure of that fairly this movie yeah like if that's not become clear in terms of this whole discussion the movie is like pure abject nonsense um and I say nonsense in the truest meaning of the word it is nonsense we've come across films that we're really harsh to we're like in a whole scene it'll be that someone was firing a machine gun and none of our heroes are hit and it's like that's not what we're dealing with here like this is floors that permeate the entire script again and again and again and again and again with every line sometimes of some of these scenes and with effects that span out across everything because the stakes are so high it is the multiverse it is everything and so the reveal of the true heart take isn't even that this is the worst MCU movie this might be the worst movie I don't think I've ever come across like even in the best of the worst stuff they cover on RLM they're going to have more coherency than this because yeah I don't know what could contest this for that for that accolade should we say I legit don't know what would even come close I remember specifically by the judgment of how coherent it is okay it's because I'd probably rather rewatch this than watch plenty of other movies in the world it's just that I just don't like it's so disjointed nothing matches nothing takes after anything else it shits itself over and over again yeah like this might be one of the worst scripts ever turned into a movie I think if people are confused about what is meant here it's like a thousand floors and 800 of them are floors that make catastrophic damage to the script and when you have that level it's just like I don't know man to beat that's going to be pretty hard isn't it worse than the last Jedi oh the last Jedi is now my coherent in comparison there's some stuff that okay in the last Jedi here and there I could say I'm dumbfounded by people who could just come out lambasting hate the last Jedi and say they love this movie that one confuses me but we just don't I guess because this is this was I just think all a phase four is shit it's all like this and when you can predict the fucking end of a movie two years in advance that's not good you're not subverting anybody's expectations we fully expected Wanda to defeat herself once we learn she was in this movie just based on everything Marvel has done over the last year and a half it's the same cookie cutter bullshit what's funny is I don't think I predicted that at all but had that been said in front of me before this movie came out I'd have been like oh you might be right actually a a lot of people were saying Wanda will defeat herself like we won't even have Doctor Strange fighting Wanda at the end because they did it in Ragnarok the same thing in Ragnarok well they fought like a second in this it was a little bit in the beginning yeah they fought in that room he fired his skull people at her and they grabbed her in the bowl all right it's not enough dead body avatar sorry let's keep that in mind he and because the Fed is a better person and even his dead boss is a better person it would have been cooler if he was instrumental in her defeat other than like you can do it we know I agree with you because it frustrates me that his pep talk doesn't even make sense like it doesn't make sense and it wasn't what he intended I think he was legitimately hoping that America would punch her head off and so when that didn't work he was like oh shit because we have a bunch of psychopaths in Hollywood right now who are more worried about their fictional characters agency and their main character in their main movie and just listen to a few interviews with Victoria Alonso she's crazy and she's running the show as much as Kevin is right now so something that was really good and pretty cohesive you know I'll agree with Fring I'd say the first you know phase one was pretty tight because it was easier it was a lot easier but it's absolutely out of control well yeah because I don't know if there is anybody who was just the guy who keeps track of everything and if he does exist he's not doing a good job they did have that in the beginning they did they mapped there was a bunch of ideas that they kind of had but it was Joss Whedon Joss Whedon was influential in a lot of those phase one films even though he wasn't credited or anything he made a lot of suggestions him and Favreau Edgar Wright they were all part of it they gone now we're in a very different era yeah like what we needed was as the films went on and these concepts got more and more complex we needed to get we didn't need what we're getting is less and less experienced writers coming on board what we need is like veteran sci-fi and comic book people who have tackled these concepts for years coming into at the very least advised if not downright right these films but instead we're just getting more and more people in who just not only do they not have much experience with speculative fiction they don't have much writing experience full stop and this is what you get this is probably something that's because I've seen a lot of people say well what were you expecting it's like multi-verse of course it was going to be nonsense which I have more faith in people's ability to write stories than those people I suppose but um like I yeah it's going to be hard to write a multi-verse story you got a lot of variables you need to account for that you just generally don't have to when you're writing stories you have to account for a lot more worlds a lot more cause and effect variables that throw things out of whack but like those variables don't need to have such a negative effect on the characters or on the theme they don't need to have as negative effect on the world as they have like to say that this is the best that could have been done in terms of leveraging the multi-verse as a concept narratively I don't know like I have more faith in people's ability to tell stories um yeah don't know what to say yeah and there wasn't a character enough that was interesting to follow throughout this entire Wanda wasn't likable Dr. Strange was a idiot uh Wong wasn't particularly brilliant and America Chavez was planned I will go a step further and argue that basically every character is assassinated this film like including the ones that have like 5 seconds of screen time it's absolutely nuts all the illuminati uh fucking morons incredibly immoral morons too mm-hmm cause it's efficient it all comes down to writing yeah and to tell me to tell me the person who wrote this wrote Loki it's just like oh my god and now he's writing a Star Wars movie what the fuck I think it's hard to it's kind of hard to quantify the amount of um damage that Loki and multi-versed madness have caused to the MCU canon which was already like really shaky bring it there I was bringing your brain to cut you off well you said exactly what I was thinking it's in shambles it's it was already already yeah just um well it's in chat yeah house of cards but I mean at this point the cards are on fire they're ashes it never had to be this bad it didn't I think that's what it would need to be emphasized there's no reason why it needed to be this way and if you're a sponsor that as well it was I mean it was gonna be nonsense what you expect it's like I don't know I don't know I have more I I believe that people can tell stories about these concepts it's the it's not a problem that these that these concepts are um impossible to work with it's just the fact that you've got no they're struggling with the most basic aspects of storytelling so when you get when you pile metaphysics on top of that and these ultra complex um mechanics in there not only are the basic things gonna fall apart but then it's like quadrupled by the fact that they are working with these things it's a multiplying factor to the already shoddy craftsmanship right and the the craftsmanship that's not even there because they're not following the rules that they set up in their previous thing so we've had the multiverse has been rumored since far from home correct where it was just kind of a track of a meme yeah but yeah and then it was rumored in Wanda vision it was uh it was in no way home it was in Loki I'm sure I'm forgetting something here and none of these connect up at all like and and that's what the MCU did in the beginning they connected everything so now they're just like seeing well which one will work better yeah well and then we'll go from there because they're not done with it they're not not even close to being done with it despite the uh the drop off on the second Friday I would still argue like the fact that we would see this is one of the most incoherent incoherent scripts we've ever come across and it's this successful cycle boy we're for more of this yeah you've been making more I mean they have been making more this is not an anomaly this is just in a long line of terrible horrible movies that don't make sense but Mike does kind of like was it 10 and a half hours talking about it you got miss Marvel miss Marvel's coming up next dude we got Kenobi next the halo show yeah baby nice Master Chief lays down pipe no stop it man this this really does emphasize yeah this really does emphasize the fucking importance of pushing back against this shit when it is getting such universal praise because this doesn't change unless there are voices out there not only pushing back against it but pushing back against it with arguments that can be understood and pointing out why you can still have all of these concepts that we like that people want to see explored but you don't need to do it in such a fucking stupid incoherent way there is a better way to do this stuff and we've seen it in past speculative fiction I would never say it's been perfect but you know I've binged all of Star Trek again last year and you know for whatever ups and downs there were for the time travel and multiverse stuff at least and they never got this bad no Doctor Who managed to do it for a long time pretty good I don't have stress this is a special kind of bad we haven't been here this is uncharted territory yeah I'm scared I don't know where we're going next I just don't know we're just gonna go find himself again guys really find himself this time this Thor Love and Thunder is gonna be better than this right right I'm scared to say it has to be because they always they always find a way we're not dealing with the multiverse in that right right right who knows who fucking knows 7th Thor so okay so is this a one or have we found a below a one somehow have we buried below our scale the 0.5 can't be a 0 there are space there are infinite numbers between 0 and 1 I'm sure one of them is appropriate for this movie like I said I'm happy to give it a 0.5 out of 10 0.5 it's a new low it's a 0.5 out of 10 you had to try to be this bad like most films don't have to even they don't get here for being lazy as writing but yeah you found a way man look at us look what we're doing what's going on we're losing my mind there's no way I don't know how many people here watched Hawkeye okay I know some people skipped Hawkeye I know it's like it's not overall universe damaging as Loki or this but like the quality of it at the end is so laughably bad they're like fighting on an ice rink and it's just the stupidest thing I've ever seen and then they like take Kingpin from the Daredevil series one of the coolest villains probably the best villain in Marvel and just cut his nuts off and like his first appearance in the MCU kind of like they did Mr. Fantastic they took a little more time with them but like we shouldn't be surprised by anything from here on out that's all I'm saying like or it could be worse it could be worse I still get shocked sometimes I'm just like really you did that and you could be like they did it ten times before and I'm like I know but still I know when you told me about Moon Knight and I was right there with you I'm like I didn't think they would go that on the nose with it but they did that last episode of it we haven't even yeah chat you got that to look forward to one day yeah we haven't even talked about Moon Knight at least Moon Knight is better than this yes Moon Knight is definitely some character stuff in there that's kind of yeah you know what yes I'm very comfortable Moon Knight is awesome cool five minutes of Moon Knight is pretty cool the five minutes of Moon Knight is pretty cool sometimes sometimes except when Scarlett Scarab is telling him how to fight save him twice the creations never before has there been such excitement as to where the MCU all go next I'm just tired of it excited for the journey I'm just thinking of all the things that they could still ruin we got Doctor Doom, Mephisto and Galactus we're bringing in Dead Ever which is the one that scares me a lot it's probably going to be six Capricorn Wolverine, Professor X again, Magneto a whole host of rogue a whole host of monsters a whole host and they create this can't go well they have not officially announced John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic they haven't they're not going to he will not be Mr. Fantastic maybe so here's the thing I wonder by presenting him as a possibility only to take it away that might upset enough people that they wouldn't do it maybe this was a test to see how popular he'd be as a character may well have been a test considering that he wasn't meant to be in the film by the sounds of it well yeah we just add a cinematic focus group this was supposed to be somebody else right he was the second choice I think it was meant to be Boulder Boulder the Brave or something no I'm talking about an actor I don't know who they were going to go with I think Daniel I saw something today it was like Daniel Craig they wanted him in for something I thought he was originally cast for Read Riches but he said he didn't get COVID restrictions Daniel Craig which by the way Daniel Craig is Read Riches like I don't really see it but yeah I just don't I don't see it but hey he has to do the voice from a Knives out yeah fuck we're going to be getting next well I mean I definitely don't get the impression that we're going anywhere in particular I think that we're just going we're just sort of going like but the direction is unclear whereas like even in phase one for as broad as the strokes where it was like we're building up with the Tesseract and Loki and we're going to have a lot of conflict that brings all of them together and even like by phase three it was all leading up to infinity stones that we're introducing steadily I don't I don't really see it if it was like we're just kind of going somewhere but where and for what reason and to what end well we never end but we'll never end that's kind of the almost the problem with the MCU it's never going to end how long has it been since you saw like well there's no way home but it's Sony but aside from your way home what was your last good Marvel movie well the problem is good because I really like Infinity War and I think Infinity War is probably the strongest one that they've made since like 2017 but Infinity War has got problems but I mean as you run for it it's like well I Ant-Man and the Wasp is pretty bad Captain Marvel was pretty bad I end game I obviously don't like a lot and I mean far from home I think that there's definitely stuff in there that's worth valuing but I mean it's got problems like I don't know if I consider that a good movie and then yeah Black Widow of Shang Chi it's like it's not yeah it feels like the further you go back it's like what would be the good one it's like homecoming maybe Ragnarok but Ragnarok's got plot issues you know like so it's kind of hard it's been a long time and I guess the one that would be less contentious because a lot of people don't like homecoming would be Guardians 2 which means Guardians 3 is the one everyone's going to have their eyes on for well I mean I can't lie right to some extent I'm interested in Thor I'm curious I get worried for sure but like I wonder what they're going to do there I guess the problem is after end game it's like Thor I don't know what we're doing with Thor like I don't know who is he now what is his arc what does he want what is he trying to figure out about himself now I have to I don't know what he has left in his life I don't know what they're going to do we keep cycling back around because as far as I can tell there's a through line even taking into account Ragnarok there is a through line of like he's going to become a king but in a way that might be unconventional and then it gets stripped away from him in Infinity War like everything gets destroyed and then you can have him on that punished arc but we didn't do that we instead went with Fat Thor now that he's passed the reins to Valkyrie it's like I don't I don't really know like what is Thor's goal now at this point like I want to retire or something is that I don't know I guess I'm not sure like what because that kind of just comes out of nowhere in end game like oh no I'm not fit to be king it's like dude the whole point of your arc in Ragnarok was no I am fit to be king just my way but now it's like you're not king at all so I guess we got to figure out what we're doing next with him and I don't know but maybe there'll be something there there's he will not be a king and Guardians well I guess the thing with Guardians though is it seems by all indications of what the cast have been saying and like the Gems guns probably not doing any Marvel stuff again it seems like Guardians 3 is the end for all those characters or like maybe there'll be some of them that stick around but it's kind of the end of the Guardians it's like oh damn that's it for them I guess we'll have the holiday special and then Guardians 3 the real Guardians and then that'll probably be it the future is bright well yeah and hopefully that gives you an idea of why we didn't think this was very good it had cool shots okay alright it had some cool shots yes cinematography was neat in lots of areas some of the ideas of how to present the look of certain things happening in this movie including but not limited to the creepy visuals with Scarlet Witch and the mind universe being like all white and the contrast of the the house that Evil Strange lives in and the staircase like so many cool and interesting elements the frame the frame is held it is definitely the held frame was that's true it's the writing leave us alone we're just talking about the writing pretty film now I believe Gary and Rags you'll both run out of time right I am actually I was about to bring it at price soonish but I am going to have to head on off got some things I need to be going to do sounds like we'll probably do what we did last week then oh boy roll all your super chats into one I might have them on the Wednesday eat them all up because I assume Rags will be back by Wednesday and we will be able to go through each and every one and end the discussion on this film at least on EFAP's part we'll move right along because next Saturday everybody all the Halo episodes will be out by then and we will finally be talking about that legendary show oh boy how exciting there's so much how many pages of notes do I have going to be one of them have some fun a lot hold on oh man oh yeah jeez so many I'll mention it then as well but that'll be a free hosted episode because I can struggle to care about Halo and so I will I really hate this Halo I love it because with this film I don't hate it I don't like it but I don't hate it I hate the Halo show I despise it it's really painful everything I see about it on social media I'm just like it's true it's all true it's true it's different well it's man and when people are like episode 5 you know that was alright episode 5 is riddled with problems like completely and utterly riddled well it's just because there were grunts and jackals and like because of how vapid that show is it's like oh finally something I recognise like look at them the elites and jackals and grunts and phantoms isn't that fun you know also it's being a Halo show or pretending to be episode 5 episode 7 well yeah because that is a show that it's going to be hard not to talk about it as an adaptation but I think the important thing is to just emphasise it's like they are two different conversations absolutely I hate it as an adaptation I hate it as an adaptation but it's also a really bad show as its own thing if you didn't know anything about Halo I don't know what you would pull from this show really except for a bunch of problems right pull less because not even any of the key jangling and aesthetics would make you go on well yeah it's not going to carry you over seeing grunts and elites and stuff like the reveal of the Halo as a thing is not going to mean a whole lot to you oh Halo and then it goes ohhhh it's like that doesn't mean anything if you don't know anything about the games like it's nothing to you oh that's the name of the show someone said before we head off we need to rate well wonder I always said wonder wonder Doctor Strange in the multi-versive madness but I think I'm fine with that 0.5 that solid 0.5 out of 10 that's where I'm settled I don't know a worse movie somewhere around there definitely absolute catastrophe I won't disagree fuck that movie wait well before we go then I guess we'll send everyone off in a sense should we start with Gary why don't you tell people what you get up to on your channel and why they should subscribe subscribe because I point out the MCU all the time this thing that people say doesn't exist that Kevin Feige invented by the way it's not me I like the M.P. I like Gamora like everyone's theorizing that Gary's behind all of them yeah I like Gamora and Nebula and I used to like Black Widow and Wanda and I hate what they've done to this universe it really sucks but yeah I'll talk about that next video lord of the rings tomorrow morning gonna be a fun one I know a couple things that happens in that first episode dude it's gonna be a miracle for us to be done with the coverage we want to get done before fucking lord of the rings show comes out I can't believe there's some lord of the rings show coming out on top of all of this Kenobi is right around the corner there's a lord of the rings show we live in at least we can always do something new when the thing pisses us off enough we're like whoop no with Kenobi we're moving to lord of the rings we're not doing that anymore we're doing whatever show this next I'm gonna watch battle on 5 I'm gonna watch something good yeah well yeah I need to head off so I guess we're at the end of the thing yeah the link for that is in the description of his channel meme what are you up to these days what's happening hello hello same as I reported last couple of weeks basically just putting bits and bobs together yeah new routine starting to come together as well so we'll hopefully see something from that shortly have some more updates hopefully soonish I also just did a metals forge with the dear old metal commander we did Batman under the red hood that was a lot of fun so yeah go watch that I have a bunch of notes for that we went through and it was good yeah that's we talked about a good superhero thing I like that yours gradually turned into check out metals channel but yes link to memes channel in description and well you've got plenty of videos for them to check out already right is there some stuff there media related and all that yeah metal metal what are you up to what are you up to what are you up to Mel I'm doing all kinds of stuff if you want content I've got all the content I have the best content if you want media metal forge coming to you every week at least that's what I try to do if I don't do it a week you get to the next week that's how crazy I am that's what I do yeah Batman under red hood yesterday that was good fun go check that out and the next one next week is going to be the wrestler and we're going to be joined by good old porcus with that one so that should be good old fun if you want game more content I strumble on the twedge I'm going to start playing Ocarina of Time again because I haven't played in a long time and right after that I'm going to play Majora's Mask for the very first time all the way through so that's going to be good stuff and if you don't want to watch it live on twedge there's an archive channel on the YouTubes you can check out and that's it also I stop playing and ring I'm done with and ring I don't want to play it anymore yeah there you go alright Link in the Graption what are you working on rags no your video oh well I can just go after rags what are you working on videos you know got videos in the works should be done soonish hopefully now making good progress exciting I made the end game video if you haven't seen it yet it's available to watch as for what's next I know what it's going to be but that's going to be my little secret for now that among a couple other projects but yeah I know what's next I've started working on it I can't tell you when it's going to be done I have no idea but you know I'm working on it sweet I am just working away what about you Muge working away the next thing they can all expect is just going to be Kenobi Coverage on Mula that'll be the next thing that comes out but I am working away on a script as soon as it's finished I'll mention that I am now working on editing the video but that's the most information you guys are going to get you don't get to know what the video is about until it comes out or rather a week before that just so that I know it's all good to go when does Kenobi start releasing two weeks from now just under two weeks now 27 can't wait to ruin one week one day a week with Kenobi which means like I said we'll cover all the super chats that came in today on Wednesday at normal EFAP time there at 7pm BST for now thank you so much to Drinker for popping in his links in the description as well and thank you so much to all of you hanging out thanks chat keeping us company providing some extra bits and bobs info and thank you very much for the donations this is the end of the episode you guys have a good night sleep well good bye good bye everyone thanks for coming good bye adios