 Question, and it's a good question to ask when Jesus died on the cross, those three days that he was gone, that he was dead, where was he? Now, there isn't really a definitive verse for everyone. I think there is. I think that really with every major study, every issue that is pertinent to us, there is at least one passage to turn to. I think there are several here, and I think those several combined make the point. There are some, for whatever reason, who might disagree. I think they feel as though they might be succumbing a little bit to a certain more charismatic side that has a negative or at least an unbiblical view of Jesus and where he went. But the question's got to be, though, and here's the question I'm going to ask you guys. Why did Jesus have to die? Now, let's think about this for a second, because we need to understand what was happening prior to the cross. What was the state of man, and even more specifically, what was the state of mankind who had placed their faith in God, who were followers of God? In other words, mainly faithful Israel, and those who had come along. Obviously, the majority of Israel was not faithful, but what was the state? What was the status of man? And let's think about the atonement, which is very important, because what we have under the old, we see under the new, except we see better elements. We have a better high priest, we have a better scapegoat, and we have a better perpetuation. And so what we saw under the old was made better under the new with Christ. And there's a question that needs to be asked to understand where Christ was, but more to the point, why Christ was wherever he was. Because we need to understand that God doesn't just do things just because when he does something, when something happens, there is a reason for it. Not as though these things are just happening just because, well, there is a because there's a reason for it happening. So the question that I tend to ask people are these questions. One, was it necessary for Jesus to die and also to die in the manner that he died? Was it necessary for Jesus to die the death that he died? Was it necessary for him to hang on the cross and to shed his blood? Well, every Christian is going to say yes. Now, when we ask the question, why is that necessary? Well, that's where more discerning Christians are going to be able to step up and say, yeah, I know why he had to die in that manner. One, it says curses the one who hangs on the tree. That's Jesus. But also in the violent, horrific sense that he died to shed his blood. Why was it was it necessary that he died? Sure, it was necessary. Why? Because again, we are piggybacking off of the system that God has determined that would satisfy his wrath. Namely, in order for us to be atoned, namely, there needs to be this shedding of blood. Remember, God is the one who determines what will satisfy his wrath, what will atone for sin. And there are three key elements to this atonement. The first element is there needs to be a covering. Two, there needs to be a cancellation of debt. Cover, cancel, and then because of that, it brings about the third element, which is this reconciliation. The whole point of the atonement is that there would be reconciliation. I want you guys to remember that key point. And so what we what we see here under the old covenant under the law, how God has prescribed atonement is that it will be done by way of the blood. So because of that, it is necessary that there be propitiation made, in other words, a blood sacrifice for him. So it was very necessary for Jesus to die in that manner. As a matter of fact, even more so because he also takes on the other role, which is to be the scapegoat. When John says, look, the Lamb of God, which takes away the sins of the world. Jesus is playing that part as well. And so Jesus needed to one, take the place of sin, which is why he was on the cross. He is on the cross to take the place of sin. He sheds his blood in such a fashion in such a way, a violent horrific way. And because that was what God had demanded a blood sacrifice and Jesus paid that. Now, the next question, though, and I'm pretty sure many Christians, many of you guys will get that point and even understand that point. The second question is, was it necessary after, would it have been sufficient for Jesus to just have only died? Because in just dying, he would have met the other two elements of the atonement, which is to carry the sin debt and to pay it. But was it necessary for him to not just die, but was it necessary for him to be resurrected? Was it important for him to be resurrected? Well, the answer is, we'll all say yes. Now, here's where we might struggle or some might struggle to find the answer. Yeah, it's necessary, but why was it necessary for Jesus to be resurrected? Well, Paul does answer this question. Let's go to it briefly. He speaks about the need of a resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15-14. Let's go put on the screen. And if Christ had not been raised, then our preaching is in vain. For faith also is in vain. Moreover, we are found to be false witnesses of God because we testify against God that he is raised. That he raised Christ whom he did not raise if, in fact, the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless. You are still in your sins. And those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. That is also an important point. We'll come back to that point that he just made about verse 18. Those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If we have hope in Christ in this life, we are of all men to be most pitied. In other words, this resurrection does a couple of things. One, it gives validation to our faith, to our hope that God was pleased and that he also conquered death. So this resurrection is also our hope as well. Even when he's speaking to the people, they said, yes, I know that when they're speaking to Lazarus' sister, she says that, yes, I know that my brother will rise in the resurrection. So there's this hope, there's this belief that there will be a resurrection of us from the grave to be with the Father forever. And so that was the reason why it was necessary for Jesus to die and for Jesus to be resurrected. But now here's the question that leaves a lot of Christians scratching your head. And this is going to take us into our question. Is it necessary? Was it necessary for him not to die? We get that. So we know it was necessary for Jesus to die and then for him to be raised to be resurrected. But what about the ascension? What was the point of the ascension? Was it necessary for him to ascend to heaven? We'll say yes, but is it a yes that we say because we know it's right? We just don't know why it's right. Why was it necessary for Jesus to be resurrected? And that takes us to the point that we are here today for. Where was Jesus during those three days? Now, many people might disagree with what I'm going to say, but I'm going to give us biblical proof to show this. The fact of the matter is no one in the history of mankind, prior to Jesus's death, bear a resurrection and then ascension, no one had gone to heaven. No one had ascended to heaven. Now, I can already hear the wheels in your head grinding to a halt. You're thinking you're saying, wait a minute, what about Elijah? What about Enoch? The Bible says about Enoch that he was no more and he was taken up. The same would be said about Elijah where the chariot comes down and he was taken up into heaven. The question is, was he taken so far up that he made it all the way up and eventually made it to where God was? No, he was not. Now, reading those passages in Genesis as well as in 2 Kings, that would be sufficient for us to say, okay, yeah, we believe that they have gone to heaven, but they did not because we're going to read a passage that Jesus makes, which nullifies that and we cannot have a contradiction. Jesus makes a statement in John chapter 3 verse 13. Speaking of salvation, he brings this point up. Now, Jesus speaking to Nicodemus about what it takes, what's required for us to be saved and how we get there. And then he brings this point in in the very middle of it. He says, no one has ascended into heaven. This word, no one. Guess what guys? Even in the Greek, this word, no one literally means no one. He says, no one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended from heaven, that is the Son of Man. So, the only one according to Jesus who has ascended into heaven is Jesus. Well, that makes sense since Jesus is God. Well, then where in the world is Elijah and where is Enoch? Well, to be taken up into heaven, the same word for heaven that we think of where God resides is also the same word where we're used for the atmosphere for the sky. So, simply put, for example, Elijah was taken up into the sky. Well, then now we've got a question. We've got a question. Now, they didn't really answer the question as to where was Jesus, but just to make it a point while we're getting to this point, no one had ascended, not one person. Well, why is that important? Well, there was no way for them to go to heaven. There was no mechanism, no means whereby they would go to heaven. And even at Jesus' death and burial and resurrection, still there was no means by which mankind would go to heaven. Jesus' death, his burial and resurrection, was not sufficient for them to go to heaven. That was simply enough for us to be atoned for and to conquer death. That part is good enough. But what good would it do for us to be Christians? To be able to live forever, never have to worry about going to hell, but always separate from the Father. Because remember, his job was to reconcile us. And that just hadn't happened. And so what he's going to do is, he is going to reconcile mankind to heaven. Now, Jesus makes a statement. He makes a statement, and I understand why some people will take this to mean that when he died, he went to heaven. But he's also going to say something else, so it's going to nullify that point as well. Jesus says in Luke 23-43, he says, he says, truly truly I said to you when he's speaking to the people on the cross who place his faith in Christ, who says, will you remember me when you enter into your kingdom? Well, notice what he says as a matter of fact. Let's back up. He says, and we indeed are suffering justly for we are receiving what we deserve. He says, and he was saying, just remember me when you come into your kingdom. Notice Jesus didn't answer him back word for word. Jesus, I come back and say, I will remember you this day in my kingdom. Know what he's saying instead was, today you will be with me in paradise. So the question then is, where is paradise? Well, I believe paradise is in heaven. However, the better question, not is where is paradise, the better question would be where was paradise. That's the more pertinent question. Wait a minute, Cory, do you mean to tell me paradise has shifted locations? I do believe so, which is not beyond the realm of possibility, because if we think about it, is it possible that the Tree of Light has shifted locations? That's possible. We believe that as well. So leaving paradise in one place and moving, that is not an impossibility. As a matter of fact, we're going to see that's probably what happens. Now, before we get there, Jesus tells us exactly where he is going to be. Jesus says, speaking about his death, where he's going to go. Remember, he's speaking to these Jews, and I don't know why I made this super enlarged, but in Matthew 1238 he says, then some of the scribes in Pharisees said to him, Teacher, we want to see a sign from you. What does he say? He says an evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign. Well, none will be given to you, except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For just as Jonah was in three days and three nights in the belly of the sea, the belly of the monster, so will the Son of Man, where will he be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth? So Jesus is explaining to him that he will be in the heart of the earth. They take that to be in the grave. That part they do understand. Now the question is, is this the physical grave? Well, we know he's going to be in the physical grave, but we also can probably believe that he's going to be in another place of the grave, where the dead go. Now, the question is, where do the dead go at death? Well, remember we're talking about a different dispensation prior to his death, resurrection, and ascension, and then after. There's a passage, or there's a statement that Jesus makes in this parable that he gives, and we believe the parable is pretty exact in terms of what happens. This is obviously the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, and notice what he says in Luke 16. He says, Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed up in purple and finally and joyously living in splendor. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gates covered with sores. Now we know the story. He died, Lazarus died, and then so to the rich man. Now going to verse 22, notice what he says. Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels into Abraham's bosom. Now, there are a lot of folks that will lead us to believe or believe that Abraham's bosom is the same as paradise. And I want to keep going. Let's see what statement Jesus makes, because it seems to be there's a place for the dead to go, and it's awful close. He says, In Hades, he lifted up, speaking of the rich man also, died and was buried in Hades, in the grave in Sheol. He lifted up his eyes being tormented and saw Abraham from far away and Lazarus in his bosom. And so apparently this rich man could see at that time where Lazarus was. Are you all tracking with me? Now notice what he says. Verse 24, And he cried out and said, Five Abraham have mercy on me and sin Lazarus, so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue for I am angry, angry, I'm starting to agony in this flame. Notice what he says here. He says, I remember during your life, you received your good things like wise Lazarus, bad things. Look at verse 26. And this is what I want to focus on. And besides all of this, even besides that, he says, Between us and you, there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able and that none may cross over from there to us. So where the dead would go, this abode of the dead, there was a chasm fixed between those who are righteous and those who are unrighteous. Remember, under the old, if you died, depending upon what state you're in, you're going to die in one or two states. One state, you'll die in an unjustified state. Meaning you are not in right standing before the Lord when you die. You love the world. You lived how you wanted to live. Hopefully, listen, I pray that if you go to hell, that you at least got to enjoy life on earth, which is what he's saying to the rich man. But then, that also doesn't negate the fact that you could enjoy life here on earth and go to heaven. Those two are not mutually exclusive. But then we see that there's another part where the abode of the dead for those who died in a righteous state, meaning that they stood justified before the Lord. Remember, according to the atonement, the old covenant atonement, a person could be in right standing if after afflicting their souls and adhering to what was required on the day of atonement, they would be in right standing with God for how long? One year. And this was a yearly ritual. Year after year after year after year after year after year. But as long as you died in right standing, you were in right standing. But there is a problem. The problem is, all it did was keep you in right standing in terms of not going to hell, but there needed to be more. But the only point that I'm making with this passage here is just simply that there seems to be this gulf, this chasm between the abode of the dead, between those who are righteous and those who are unrighteous. Now, Jesus does make a statement. He makes a point in it, well, Jesus doesn't, but Paul does, in Ephesians chapter 4. Starting in verse 8, notice this passage says, therefore it says, when he, that's Jesus, ascended on high, he led captive a host of captives. It also says, engaged gifts to men. So now, Jesus, when he ascended, he led on high captives. Who could this possibly be? Well, it couldn't be all of the believers because Paul wouldn't be there, nor would the believers that he's speaking of. So it can only refer to, remember, there are also a host of captives who will also be led on high with him. It couldn't be the unrighteous people that he led on high. It couldn't be them, the only other people that would be left would be the righteous people, those people who are in the boat of the dead who are on the other side of the chasm that the rich man wanted to get to. You know, where Lazarus is. Those are those who are led on high. Notice what it continues to say. He says, now this expression, he ascended what does it mean, except that he also had descended into the lower parts of the earth. He who descended is himself. Also, he who ascended far above all the heavens, which is the atmosphere, so that he might feel all things. So what does it mean to feel all things? In other words, there was something that Jesus needed to do. There was something that was left to do. Yes, Jesus, I understand. We're asking a lot of you. We're asking you to be betrayed, to be beaten on, to be lied, spitted, all these things that you're going to endure. I know that's a lot. But then we're also going to ask you to go to the cross and bear all the sin and iniquity of mankind. It doesn't mean that all of mankind's sin will be atone for, but it doesn't mean that it will be sufficient for all of mankind. They have to place their faith in that in what you've done, though they won't. We're asking a lot, Jesus, to take this beating and then to bear our sin and to go on the cross this horrific death to have your body punctured with these three nails and then have this crown of thorns fashioned in your head. And then ultimately to be mocked and scorned and then, as the Bible says, to have God to forsake you. You cry out, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? To have all this happen, we're asking a lot. But we need more out of you, Jesus. We're going to need just a little bit more, right? Well, what's left to do? Well, there's a passage that we need to get. In 2 Corinthians, many of you have read this passage, but have you read the next passage? Remember it says, Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he's a new creature. And in the world, all things become new. Remember that passage? Well, let's see what it says after that. Verse 17 is a passage that we're probably all familiar with. But then verse 18 and 19 says, Now, all these things are from God who reconciled us. Remember the whole point of the atonement is reconciliation, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely that God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against him as he has committed to us the word of reconciliation. We're not actually doing the reconciling, but we're giving the word to bring about this for people who would have faith. So Jesus's last thing that he's going to do in this earthly ministry here, really as he's leaving, is to, as he says, lead captive on high and therefore everyone else, subsequently who believes will also go immediately. You hear terms after the death, burial and resurrection that you would not have heard even of godly men who had faith in God prior. There was no such statement like this at Paul makes that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. That was never a possibility to be said under the Old Covenant in the Old Testament. Prior to the cross, you couldn't say that. Now you could. And so where has, where has kept those captives, the host of captives being taken? They have been taken up to heaven. He ascended the same one who descended is the very same one who ascended and led a host of captives up. Now there are some who will fight this well meaning men who love the Lord who would fight the notion of Jesus having had gone to hell. I understand the reason why you might see that have someone who might disagree is because they have heard people say that Jesus went to hell and had to have his sense of tone for that Jesus had to be born again in hell. That's clearly heresy. Jesus had no need to be born again. Jesus did not go to hell and was not tormented. Jesus on the cross made this famous statement to tell a style which is that it is finished. And so his suffering was through at that point. There was no more torment for him to come about. The next phase of what he was doing was about to take place and he did not involve suffering or torment. We don't have that to, we don't have any biblical count to make that stick. And so when you hear people saying Jesus was in hell being tormented, no he was not. No he, first of all who's going to torment him? No one. Jesus was not tormented and so let's perish that thought. But going to hell is where he went. Not the, now it could be also that he went to the other side of hell as well. There's a passage that people bring up. There is much debate about this passage what it means, but clearly Jesus was doing something else. Let's pause for a second in terms of him dealing with the righteous and let's also deal with him dealing with the unrighteous. This passage we're not totally sure what it means, but we do know that it took place while he was in the grave. It says here in 1 Peter 3 let's go to verse, let's go to verse 18 for Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust so that he might bring us to God having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit in which he says also he went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison who were once disobedient when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah during the construction of the art in which a few that is 8 persons were brought safely through the water. Now I won't go into and break that down because again there are so many people who have different views as to what was happening. Which souls was the only going to speak to the people that died at the time of Noah, those people who rebelled, was he speaking about demons who have been placed in chains what we don't know we do know that he did go there and we don't know what the proclamations were we have no idea all we do know is that he did go and these are people who are not marked for salvation. That part we do know and so we see him in this inhale in both the boats one dealing with the unrighteous and this could also include fallen angels again it just doesn't give us enough and so this is one of those points we have to say I don't know, not sure what he means by this and if you go to different commentaries you'll see a lot of different solutions to what he's saying here but we do know that the boat of the dead for those who are marked for heaven those people were brought up now to add further proof that Jesus had not gone to heaven to add further proof and again in case someone is joining me late when I say that he went to hell it is not to say that he was tormented that is not biblical that's not sound doctrine but to give further proof that Jesus did not go to heaven and since he does say that today you will be with me in paradise that he will be in paradise to give further validity that paradise was not in heaven at that time we do know that paradise is now in heaven why do we know that because Paul gives a statement about he knows of someone whether in the spirit or in flesh who was caught up to the third heavens to paradise well now at the point that Paul makes that statement where is paradise in heaven but at the time that Jesus is going to be in paradise it is not in heaven how do we know because Jesus makes a statement in John 2017 Jesus is speaking to Mary he says Jesus said to her because she is grabbing hold of him he says her stop clinging to me for I have not yet ascended to the father but then he says go and tell my brother and say to them I ascend to my father and your father and my God so I am going to ascend and this is him this is a future tense this is him going to this is him going to ascend he's ascending he's preparing to ascend so he hadn't done so yet and he tells Mary I have not yet ascended so it could not be that that day that he died he's in paradise if paradise is in heaven paradise is not yet in heaven and so the whole point of Jesus the death, burial and resurrection we get is the ascension that we need to now kind of put a boat on he does so to reconcile us to God now the Bible makes a statement there's a statement that's called of Jesus Jesus did not have to be born again this is why it also it matters who you listen to because there are some people that say that Jesus need to be born again because they see this phrase and this phrase is not being born again but it does say that Jesus is the first born the first born of what let's go to 1st Corinthians 15 verse 20 now Christ has been raised from the dead the first fruit of those who are asleep for since by a man came death by a man also came the resurrection of the dead so now Jesus called the first born among the dead the first fruit so he is the first to die and to also be brought up for in Adam all dies so in Christ also will be made alive but each in his own order Christ the first fruit after those who are Christ at his coming then comes the in now I won't go into the rest of that because he's kind of speaking in the ascatological order as well but he is the first fruit amongst those who are present. In other words there is nobody who will pre-see Christ to heaven not Elijah, not Moses, not E not no one and interestingly enough to think about this for a second now David also makes I want to cover this as well so we can know who or where Jesus also went David makes a statement that's also ascribed to Jesus let's go to Acts 2 27 we also know that he also went to the grave and where his soul was as well he says in Acts 2 27 he says because you will not abandon my soul my soul to Hades nor allow your holy one to undergo or to see corruption or decay so his body was physically in the grave as well as his soul in Hades he's not going to be there very long he's there for a purpose. Now think about this also after Jesus his death barrel and then his resurrection his ascension notice what we never see again prior to this we'll see people like Moses people like Elijah people like Samuel being brought up from the dead but we never see them that happening after Jesus's ascension well why is that? Well because nobody is going to heaven and coming back matter of fact could you imagine this is just me but could you imagine could you imagine someone going to heaven and then having to come back to earth what a horrible trip that would be what a horrible trip to be in heaven and then come back to earth you know what I'd rather be on earth and go to prison than to be in heaven and come back to earth and we never see that happen so after his ascension we never see Moses again we never see Elijah we never see anyone who was previously dead now being brought up why? because now they have been taken translated to a different place and so for that reason guys I think it is appropriate to see that Jesus during those days he wasn't just hanging out in the grave he wasn't just tooling his thumbs he wasn't just kind of you know let me get myself let me get some extra sleep let me get myself ready no he was taking he was doing something he was doing what was required remember this reconciliation needs to take place under the old there was the need for sin in mankind being dealt with which is what is going to happen because of the Holy Spirit now that doesn't matter to anyone who is already dead they don't have to worry about sin bothering them at least as far as we know but what we do know what we do know is that none of those people could be reconciled why? because there needed to be a mechanism how they would be brought by God and the way that's done is by Jesus leading the way being the first fruit and him leading a host of captives on high now some people again I think the bigger reason why a lot of people are bothered by the notion that he could have possibly gone to hell it just doesn't sound right doesn't feel good doesn't feel good well if that matter feels good or not we've got scriptures that say that he literally descended we've got scriptures that literally that he did not ascend after his death well if he did not ascend after his death and that it says that he did descend now there's debate as to what the descent mean well if he didn't ascend immediately then he must have descended again I think the bigger issue is that sometimes we have a tendency to overcompensate when someone says something that is so egregious on the other side such as Jesus was in hell being tormented the knee jerk response is to kick the other way overcompensate to the other side no he didn't go to hell at all well he did but again when we say hell we mean the grave we mean the abode of the dead and there was a reason for that I hope this was beneficial especially in this time as we're getting ready to celebrate what he did on the cross for us and then also the subsequent resurrection there is no greater joy that we can have than to know what Christ did on the cross for us amen now I'll go ahead for the sake of time if there are some people that have some questions regarding this if you have some questions even if you disagree we'll go ahead and take a few minutes and cover those if you want to go ahead and put some questions if you do or capital question all caps questions and let me know that you have a question go ahead and yeah quick questions go ahead and put it in and then let me know if you especially if you disagree especially if you disagree what do I think of Old Testament saints who walked you mean is death and then you see these dead people in the street walking we don't know we don't know whatever happens to those people we don't know if they turn around and die it again we have no the bible just doesn't say all we do know well we don't know but we're just using our imagination now cause could you imagine aunt and genie cudd and bow uncle Herman walking around wait a second I know you died because I buried you I was at the funeral I cried over you when you when you died you died on me $20 and you didn't pay it back I cried for my $20 and for you now you're up walking around what gift could you imagine the spectacle that that would have presented but the bible just does not say the bible just does not say what happened when they died if they died and so forth so that that's one of those head scratchers that we're just gonna find out when we get to heaven uh oh I'm trying to answer these questions and I'm gonna try to be where'd it go where'd it go where'd it go I'm trying to there it is this thing is moving pretty quickly on my on my side by the way by the way there was a statement that was made and again we didn't catch it sometimes you don't catch it when it's being said remember in Jose he makes a statement that we also see again Paul brings us up he says oh death where is your where's your where's your sting oh grave where's your victory and then it comes up again and we see this okay well maybe this is alluding to what Jesus is doing alright so now let's go ahead and answer a few more of these questions uh the title says what oh I must so I need I need to correct something huh okay let me you know what I if maybe I maybe I wrote something down the wrong way let's let's let's fix this though if I miss failed something I can I can fix and I apologize I apologize what did you say it said oh okay I see what you mean did Jesus okay you know what bam I fixed that right now thank you so much yeah that's weird that's weird I need to give me a staff to take care of that huh thank you thank you spider muck I appreciate that I appreciate that uh could of the could of Ephesians 4-8 captives be demon no here's why good question but here's why let's go to Ephesians 4 uh it says therefore it says when he ascended on high he let uh captives a host of captives well the question is going to be to where now he's ascending on high he clearly could not be taking demons on they they ain't going back to heaven he's not taking them there so it would just it would be illogical and not in keeping with with what God the sentence that God has pronounced on them they are marked for eternal destruction where they are is where they will be until they are tossed into the lake of fire so did the Old Testament saints go to heaven on Easter Sunday or on ascension they went on when they when Jesus this we're talking about when he ascended this is when they went he led them on high so good question also my question is along these lines but when Saul called up Samuel was he speaking from paradise you mean was was Samuel I'm sorry not Samuel yeah Samuel Samuel from not totally sure but where Samuel was if you ask him where he came from it would have to have been paradise paradise or Abraham's bosom the abode of the dead for those who are righteous that's the only place that that Samuel could have been and to call him up he he literally brought him up now there was obviously extreme judgment on Saul because as a matter of fact the Bible mentioned that as well as his previous in Samuel's Saul was a horrible person Saul was a horrible person but he was exactly what the people asked for they you get sometimes you get exactly what you ask for so question is the thief in heaven he would have to be because if he was in paradise with Jesus and then if paradise if what I'm saying is true and if paradise the abode of the dead is now that that group is the host that he led up he would have to also be in that number as well so that's a good question Drew so what happens after death Paul makes a statement to live as Christ dies again so from now on after death is appointed unto men once to die and then the judgment so once you die bam you're gone to be absent from the body is to be present from the Lord so once you die as a believer you immediately go to be with the father now we believe that there's going to be this pre-tribulation rapture and notice what it says in that passage in 1 Thessalonians that when Jesus is coming back who's he coming back with he's coming back with all the dead saints those dead saints that were taken up they're coming back and then they're going to get a glorified body just like us well I don't want to get into that because it's a whole other topic but no we don't we immediately face judgment but our judgment is different than what the rest of the world is going to see do you see this topic in reference to Abraham's bosom grave etc where the seventh day and yes I do I do I do as a matter of fact specifically the Catholics they you could understand where this whole issue of purgatory comes in now in true Catholic form they take it to the nth degree and just mess it up they really do we there's no one there that can be brought up that can be prayed out of there those that were there even even before Jesus death resurrection these there was no there was no hope for that your ticket was stamped before the cross now after the cross you go immediately where you're going to be forever okay so yeah but I yeah now again I do see the genesis of where they get that from but they just and maybe because it tip in typical Catholic fashion enough of them did not read the scriptures so sorry Catholics could you confirm the story of Lazarus and the rich man as a parable well let's go back to it he is stated in there was a rich man now the Bible doesn't he didn't call it a parable now in all the other parables there's no one else's name that's used is it possible this could be a parable and in this parable he's just giving someone a name is that's possible also I honestly though would not be too hung up on whether this is a parable or not because there's even in the parables all the parables bring about a truth are you with me and so I think that I would take this to be legitimate but even if it is a parable it doesn't really matter he's giving us truths in this parable speaking of namely this this chasm so what does Psalm 139 8 mean let's go to Psalm 139 8 do I have this in the Old Testament up here well if I don't I'll put it up would you say Psalm 139 8 for one second and that's because I may need this as well alright let's put it on the screen if I ascend to heaven you are there if I make my bed and she'll behold you are there that that's really speaking of and if I take the wings of dawn if I dwell to the remotest parts of the sea wherever you go God is there's no place that escapes God's eye or it takes his presence and so that's all that that really means to answer that one the wicked soul do they go to hell yes they do they go to hell until judgment yes they do at that moment hell all of this inhabitants demons Satan at that point in time will be cast into the lake of fire forever so yes and on that day we'll say man listen sucks to be you sucks to be you brother it's not not going to be a good day let's see I can't answer that because that's someone giving extra license I don't have no idea what that means he stumped Mark on Satan so when he says that he crushes his head it is it's kind of in a anthropomorphic sense it's it's it's metaphoric matter of fact if that's all that happens Satan's head that would be the best thing that he can hope for but I can't I can't speak to as to what that pastor meant so but now the good news is this though guys and this is the point the point in purpose of this is why this this is even important because when we see that God going through all these great links one to do exactly what he said he's going to do and this hope that we have because remember when Peter Peter Paul is having this discussion this was this whole issue baptism of the dead comes up and so forth but his whole point is that if there is no resurrection well then we are to be pity but there is a resurrection Jesus proved so and then our our dead saints who are now with him they've been resurrected so that's the hope that we have and if God has done all these other things this resurrection which we can't see until we actually died if all these other things have happened we have proof to know that he's going to accomplish that as well well when we say he's in the grave we take it by the way you'll see often times this term used of people who are in the grave who are asleep that means they're dead and that they have no consciousness and so even Jesus he didn't see consciousness when he when his physical body was killed are you with me so he is doing he is doing what he was called to do remember Jesus was also busy before he had taken on any flat before his incarnation so yes I think that Abraham's bosom and paradises are the same thing and I believe that's where he went okay so guys I want to thank you so much for your time I'm going to go ahead and do you think that King Saul was condemned I do believe you oh yes without question as a matter of fact the word is told that he is condemned one for bringing Samuel up for consulting this seer this medium but then also the other sins that Samuel was engaged in was this person the people chose him the people want him even though God brings him to them but that was going to be the same case with any of them but then God chooses somebody which is why we have that term a man chosen after his own heart that mean that David had the same heart that God had that's not what that meant that David had a heart of like God no a man after his own heart is a man after God's own choosing that's what that means so God chose a person why did God choose that person because again the prophecy was that the scepter shall not depart Judah well again we didn't have a king until Saul comes Saul is a Benjamin but David through that lineage is of the tribe of Judah so that's what God chose that's what God did and I think it's remarkable to go back and see how God's word just lines up perfectly just like Hannibal when he said I love it when a plan comes together even more so when God's plan come together and we can look back at his plan unfolding and coming again the only book on the planet the only book on the planet with predictive prophecy that has come true none other on the planet can make that statement not any of the Vedas not the Quran nothing can make this statement that being the case and I will see you guys on someone asked about the next Bible study every Saturday every Saturday at 11 p.m. 11 a.m. Central as well as we're gonna have a Q&A this Friday so guys I thank you all God bless you and I will see you all tomorrow