 Yes, here we are. We are alive. Welcome everybody It is Thursday night fake Friday as I call it For years I played a game called battlefield 2 and every Thursday night we had Battle days and I always consider Thursday night like the real Friday night. That's the night I always got beer and got drunk to play video games. So Thursday night Discord chats, although it's not discord chats. We're not doing it. Yeah discord tonight, but I am going to debate Dylan Burns and liberal clock on Ray apps and maybe other topics so and as I mentioned in my Short earlier if you saw it Dylan Burns is joining us from Ukraine literally 3 a.m From Ukraine from a war zone to debate little drone take here. So I appreciate him being here and I hope that all of you enjoy this tonight We also I mentioned we have liberal clock as well And in just a minute, we're gonna get going here. I'm just kind of looking over things and I am going to bring them in right this moment one second Bam, bam Hey guys, how you doing? Very tired, but happy to be here Yeah, we really appreciate you being here Dylan. I know it's 3 a.m. Over there and you've been hard at work in a war zone So we appreciate it. No problem, man And so I brought these guys on tonight just because For one I was bored and for another because this ray apps topics really got me Animated I I watched the 60 minutes Episode just a few days ago like many of you I put out a video of it two days ago and I just felt like the whole thing was such blatant just I Hate to say things like gaslighting propaganda all these kind of words, but that's what it was It was just you must be stupid to buy what they're saying and if I'm wrong in all this I do actually have another explanation which we will discuss if it comes to that but for now I want to talk about The possibility that ray apps was some sort of government agent not necessarily an FBI agent But somehow working for the government to incite a riot on January 6th for the purposes of propaganda take advantage of a large protest they already knew was going to take place and It took advantage of that for the purposes of propaganda And I'm going to talk about that tonight with Dylan Burns and liberal clock We'll go ahead and start with Dylan Burns. Do you just want to kind of introduce yourself? Sure, my name is Dylan Burns. I'm amateur war reporter field reporter really Reporting on the ground in Ukraine. I also do political commentary You can find my journalism contact on Dylan Burns TV. You can find my live stream content I upload twice daily on Dylan Burns live My channel was recently unbanned after it was banned for illegal activity by YouTube for whatever reason I don't know why But what it comes to whether ray apps I am not going to say that I 100% know that ray apps is not a federal agent because I don't know and it's not like the feds will Tell you hello. This is a federal agent. He's a nice guy because he's a federal agent and so cool They don't tell you but if he is a federal agent He's not that good and I feel like there's a lot of other explanations When we talk about the the things that ray apps did like when he said online that he was or key Orchestrated it and the type of rhetoric engaged with the day before we were saying we should go into the Capitol tomorrow I think a lot of this can be explained by the fact that most of the people who went to the rally the January 6th Rally, I would not call extremely politically intelligent or just intelligent altogether They were there because they had been duped onto the idea that Donald Trump had had the election stolen from them Not all of them. Some of them maybe could have a more nuanced view, but when it came to ray apps That's what he believed he believed that the election was stolen No substantial evidence for it And so it's not hard for me to believe that somebody who could be duped into something like that And I don't find extremely politically intelligent could say a bunch of stupid things leading up to what it became extremely Extremely politically divisive night in American history As far as I know, he never entered the United States Capitol. He never engaged in violence on the day of I think the most you could possibly get him on if you wanted to charge him on anything Would maybe be incitement on the day before and then the day of he said we need to go to the Capitol Which I don't know if he said we need to go in the Capitol He said that the day before on I think January 5th that we need to go in the Capitol But on January 6th, he said we have to go to the Capitol Which if we're going to get him on incitement for saying it the day before I guess you could try to but I don't think you're going to get much on him And I don't know how how a judge is going to view that and that's what ultimately the FBI decided They had him on his poster out there. They took it down after they had a sit-down conversation with the man So I think odds are he's not a federal agent. I don't think it's impossible He's also a really bad one where he's texting people I orchestrated that and if somebody who has known feds and grew up in the DC area and actually knows the people who do Do this type of work. That's not how you do it All right. Thanks Dylan. What do you think Clark? Um, hi, I'm liberal cluck. Uh, I am the old common enemy of the drone tech server um Nemesis of uh Ramon I don't know if any of you all know him I don't know if he's around still. Uh, he's not around. I kicked him on my server. I couldn't stand But uh, as for ray epps, I uh I just none of the evidence that's been presented to me to To insinuate that he is a fed is convincing But maybe drone tech has something here that I haven't seen yet I'm going to be screaming on top of the rooftops that ray epps is a fed by the end of this so We talked I think we talked a little bit about this before so my here's my main thing so We have this guy who is on video during this 60 minutes interview. They made a lot of weird points I thought they were weird points that they made and I thought they actually made more of a case for our side but Uh, he's out there. He stands out very much because he's a big tall dude He's in full camo, which there weren't a lot of people that I don't know if there was anybody else there in full camo Like he was I don't think there was there was a lot of people larping as a lot of things I was there. So there were I I saw it There are a lot of people I think I saw a few people in camo, but there wasn't a lot of people in camo All right, so like he's big like six four dude Desert camo which stands out red hat Uh, which is interesting to me. So he's if there are other ages there. They can easily spot him He's out He's out there tonight before telling people to go to the capital and we got to go into the capital the next day That's a good point. I haven't actually paid that close of attention I guess to know if he told people to go in the capital on the day But you're right. He would definitely there's that video of him telling we got to go to the cap We got to go to the capital. He's directing people there And then there's the video of him talking into the guys ear and then the bum rush starts So he is at the forefront. What what's interesting to me is during the 60 minutes piece about this a few days ago uh sunday They mentioned that he was at the in the vanguard of the first assault On the uh capital police and the barricades They said that and then went on literally the next sentence to say it was a convoluted conspiracy theory The whole thing So that's kind of weird first of all because you're gonna admit right now that he's the at the forefront He's the guy pushing at the at the front and there's multiple videos showing this from the top And from multiple angles and then say it's convoluted conspiracy theory That he was somehow involved in the incitement of this in the first place And they really focus on that he was an fbi government agent Uh, and then at the end they say the fbi They talked the fbi and the fbi said no, he wasn't it's like, oh, okay. I guess he wasn't Well, I just quickly from what from my read the 60 minutes interviewer I don't remember the name of the guy who did it The black guy who was the interviewer. I forget his name But I remember when he brought up that moment when he was the quote unquote vanguard Even though he didn't directly engage in violence when he was at the front when the gate was being torn down He tried to basically separate himself from what happened in the 60 minutes That's what he says Directly, he says you were a part of it and he's right what I didn't do So I I don't know if I would say oh, they completely try to remove from many's responsibility They were specifically saying he was a part of it and he did Try to incite people at least the day before the day of it's a little bit more washy because he's saying go to the Capital trump did the same thing. So if we want to get him on incitement for that I guess we can also try to you know pin it on trump as well But but here here's the thing is that like there's this huge So biden said that january 6 was the the worst thing since the civil war And there's a lot of other comparisons like that in the media like comparing it to pearl harbor and all this shit like crazy shit and um You have more I think it's more like wake up probably Okay, okay, but you just have this like real like you have this focus on the qanon shaman Who didn't do anything like you didn't do anything he went in and came out. That's pretty much it There was he's weird and the media likes sensation. Yeah, but they made him like the focus of an insurrection Like you guys it's weird that there's this huge emphasis to demonize anything related to january 6 But this one guy Who is on video inciting people into the thing at the forefront of the thing and I have a video that shows He was actually involved in the violent like he wasn't partaking in violence But he was in the mob that was and and you say he said he was just trying to break it up Like he literally was telling people to go into the capital the next day like come on And when that first officer went down he's like, why didn't you go help the officer? And he was like, oh, I saw I saw a billy club and I thought they didn't want like if you look at that video And I point out my video. It's one of the protesters that runs up and helps the officer But they just kind of rushed right past that it's to me What is most uh visible to me is what the media wants to deflect from Does not want to focus on and it's odd to me that the one guy that's on video so Trump told people to go to the capital and make your very he said uh go March peacefully and make your voices heard And we have to and fight back which fight back is a very excellent to do it peacefully the day before too right and and um Fight back is a very common political term. I mean that's used all the time, especially by Kjp use that right after the uh shooting at that christian school like she used that language. So Uh, you you really cannot blame trump for what happened there. So 120 000 people Went to the capital to protest peacefully out of that around 300 Were charged with violence with the police and another around a thousand charged with going inside And trespassing. So All this shit around january 6 is based on what 300 people did Is it is it really that far out to believe that Ray epps is the one who incited 300 people I like that I want to go I would I would say that is a little far out to say he was the one who did it Definitely when he was working for multiple days to do it He's on video doing it Okay So the day before when he tells people to go to the capital everyone start yelling at him fed fed fed He gets an extremely negative reaction. He then reverses courses as peacefully peacefully peacefully He got a negative reaction to say that he was like the primary motivator. He was the one instigated at all I just don't think he's that powerful that intelligent Or that good to decoordinate all of this and I think he can tell from the way he behaved and the way he's behaved afterwards That he's not a particularly intelligent guy I don't think he even could have orchestrated it if he wanted to He can say he orchestrated it because he said people go this way But if that's all it took to orchestrate it then they were like a thousand people They orchestrated it because when I was at the capital I heard people say we're going to the capital everyone Are they all now orchestrators are they all now feds everybody who told me that this is the way We're going after trump himself said to go that way and let me just quickly say There's two things we could talk about here. The first thing is whether or not reyeps like did something wrong I think he did something wrong I think anybody who who bought into the idea the election was stolen or rigged did something wrong I also believe that the day before he was inciting something I don't know if you could get him on it legally the fbi decided they probably couldn't or wasn't worth their time But I do believe he did something wrong and I also believe his excuse of oh, I didn't help them up for this reason I think he's trying to cover his ass because it looks bad for him to be somebody who's supposedly pro cop Supports the police to just kind of be standing there as everybody's bashing in these cops When he the day before was saying go to the capital we need to go into the capital So that's one thing whether or not he's a good guy or he's done something Good that that's different from whether he's a fed which I don't think there is any substantial evidence for Outside of largely hearsay And we can say is it possible of wow, I guess of course it's possible But he doesn't acted like a fed if he's a fed. He's a pretty shit fed Can I ask you this like that video that portion of video you're talking about when he that's um Baked alaska by the way. He was one well He's the one end video talking to him But when he says that when he says we need to go into the capital baked alaska or somebody around him's like what? Everyone's like what you can hear that. They're like that's insane. That's crazy Like that wasn't even a concept to these people until he said it I don't think that's on video. I don't know if I don't I I don't think he was the first person To probably think about going but you know what I'm talking about right? They do say that right? They're like surprised that he says that I think and that's what that's what inspires them to call him a fed Everybody was surprised the day of when people ended up storming the capital. Nobody expected it. I didn't expect it You said they're surprised, but on this video he called for it and these people were like what the fuck Yes, he called for it, but that doesn't mean he incited them all to do it What do you think is there was only 300 people actually took part just so you know, that's right So you you 300 people who were charged right right? Yeah, but that doesn't mean there's only 300 people who took part that just means those are the people that caught and they charged I mean, there's tons of video. I mean I mean, we've seen tons of like uh, like riots in past where people've got arrested But a lot of people get away, right? We don't really know the real number But we do know that probably wasn't the majority of people who were there But it was there were people there who participate and I just find it hard to believe that those 300 people Were all incited by reyeps or the all the people who went inside were all incited by reyeps Reyeps himself never engaged in violence and never went into the capital So he he never went into the capital. He incited the day before so my question to you is what's What did he He was on video saying We need to go to the capital and he was on video at the he was right there when the initial assault Started and he's there on video whispering really that's how he's there literally whispering to somebody's ear as the assault starts Which they talked about and that's 60 minutes bees. That is nothing I I mean like if the if you can charge somebody for being present when violence takes place The same guy that you can try to promote all day the vast majority of people who are at that event Because I saw so many people be present when violence took place Whether it was the destroying of the cameras of the of the reporters whether it was the bashing of the police I saw a lot of people just stand there Whether in shock or just not knowing what to do when violence took place should we charge all of those people? Are they all inciters now? Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, so I really took issue with the 300 number like dylan said that I can show you where people charge. Um, I have a video on my Channel where there was a bunch of people trying to break into the capital for the second time Um, I don't think right yet incited those people But um, yeah, they were trying to break into the capital For a second time Once the initial riot begins whatever happens after that through the free flow of a riot Should be blamed on the initial ignition source, right? Anyway, um, there was a bunch of people that were trying to break in they were they were using um flags and riot shields to bash the cops that were protecting it and Everyone there was while they were trying to push in was saying he hope He hope in support of this effort to to be violent and get into the capital So like the idea that these people weren't a part of the violence is kind of silly in my mind The other thing that I took issue with was this The idea that all trump did was say go to the capital and be peaceful Trump no, I didn't say that I also say you said fight back or whatever That's none of that's even important. Um, the important part is is that trump orchestrated this whole This whole idea that the democrats were stuffing ballots and there was a lot of fake ballots being For biden being dropped off at 3 a.m. And he orchestrated this whole narrative that turned out to be fake Okay, so what ended up so what they ended up rallying up people to break into the capital That's the part that really cares. I can tell you nothing new. I mean hillary clinton Look guys, I've talked about this a million times democrats have denied every single election they've lost since the year 2000 They denied the 2000 election. There was violence at bush's inauguration. They literally attacked his motorcade He had to speed out of the fucking inauguration parade. All right. That had never happened It happened because democrats lost the election. They thought it was stolen Like do you guys realize that like and then it happened again It happened again in 2000 2005 cannot compare what happened. Oh my gosh to what's an escalation It's a gradual escalation Dude, I you cannot compare the hanging chants in the now gore being like, I guess I lost it It wasn't just hanging chants and then floating into political obscurity to donald trump to this day Not accepting the results of the election and still running on election denial I can compare it. I can compare it to the 2016 election. This is all this is all of non except Pivoting off of the off of the party. Yeah, but I want to say that Back back to this though If your argument is that he incited violence by saying by just being present and whispering to somebody But it isn't trump trump isn't inciting violence by creating the narrative that made the environment possible for violence And then telling people to go to the capital the same thing you're Criticizing reaps for I just feel like there's a double standard for for oh, that's violence But isn't violence when trump does it no no no that's the double standard is between what you're accusing trump of and what you're What reaps is being helped? No, no, no, I don't believe no we wouldn't no no I didn't bring that up to say trump did the vial or we think i'm trump necessarily inside the violence I can't say that at the end of the day because it wasn't that directive about it, right? Maybe he was maybe he was it. I can't really say But with reaps like everything that you're criticizing reaps for when it comes to go to the capital They have trump did that trump did that and when it comes to waste I mean somebody's here. What am I supposed to do with that? What am I supposed to do with reaps? I will tell you what you're supposed to do apply the same standards as they're applying to trump to reaps Well, we do okay. Wait wait, okay, so So why is it trump? Okay, so I just need to find like trump whispering and somebody's ear Like, what do you mean? Like, what am I supposed to do with that? You have no clue what he said Here's the thing so trump so I can see what you're saying here. And I think you have a bit of an argument here for that only in that You know reaps essentially you could make you could I think it's different personally I think it's a bit different in rams case, but I can see the point that you're making here um Except for the reaction To those two things and so I I do have an answer to this so if reaps is not A government agent which he may not be that may that may be true Uh, there is another there's got to be an explanation to the reaction to him because obviously a guy on video Insiding freaking people to enter the capital. He should be enemy number one, right? But he's not Uh, so the answer to that to me is that They think if reaps gets blamed for inciting the riot then they can't blame trump or Because he's closer. He's at the epicenter. You cannot It it deflects from trump. And so I think the only other explanation To all of this would be that would be that they they see reaps as A barricade to them blaming trump. What do you think about that? I don't wait I would well number one. I would probably need like some evidence of it like some document or it's like some statement that would be like Something we're talking about things. You're never going to get that on I mean like anything really outside of because this is like a narrative, but outside of it There's nothing else to this outside of it. Well, there's nothing to this outside of it being a narrative There's no statement from a government official that would suggest this There's no anything there is a pattern of behavior from both the media and democrats that we can compare to is not an Make the allegation that there is a conspiracy to let reaps get away with a crime How do you explain how he's getting away with it? All we ever hear Okay, let me explain this real let me throw this out there All we ever hear from the left is that the the first movement has limits And that and they always talk about the limit being shouting fire in a crowd theater, right dylan Is this not that? Is it so the day before this is what happened and this is what we're gonna We're gonna charge reaps for because everything else like whispering in someone's ear You've been you've been sentenced to the chair He's our video The maze the only thing the strongest argument you have Is the thing he said the day before when he said we need to go into the capital because that is him saying He'd do a crime, right? At the forefront at the at the initial Assault He's at the forefront at the initial assault is he not guilty of a crime Will you say that we admit that him being at the forefront does not make him a criminal That's not a crime. I was at the forefront. I was he not enemy number one in the media. Why should I be arrested? Why is the Drone can you answer my question should I be arrested because I was present when the press were assaulted? I saw I was right there. I guess you're not why not because it's the same thing. He was there and I was there He didn't do anything He didn't hurt anybody. He didn't go inside He incited and then he immediately walked it back. This would be the equivalent of okay. Let's say what? Oh, there's a riot. I walk it back To be wait to be clear. He walked it back the day before before the riot happened the day then we didn't He says that now. Okay. I can't I can't yell over you. I'm sorry. I know you can't so The day before he says we need to go into the capital He's advocating for a crime then that crowd's like what the fuck's wrong with you and he's like peacefully peacefully And he's walking him immediately walks it back That is the only thing you could charge him with and you know what he's gonna say in court I immediately walked it back and then your argument to a judge is going to be that hit that two seconds between Him saying go into the capital and then peacefully peacefully him walking it back That needs to get him guilty and imprisoned for something. It's just that you're not gonna you're not gonna do it And that's why I'm not I'm not look go ahead Is there even such thing as like an attempt it to Um incite a riot like if you try to incite a riot and nobody follows you like can you actually get charged for that? Like because nobody followed him that day. I have no clue But I would hear here's my thing I would think a law to get him on that in the so-called premiere event in modern history to occur That the guy who is on video inciting That riot might be a central figure You're making it sound like that they didn't at all care about him They put out a wanted poster for him and they looked for him. That's never rested or charged At down with fbi agency had a conversation. What were they gonna arrest him on? We arrest you on saying go into the capital the day before before walking it back You're gonna get plausible deniability is Yes, I'm familiar with possible deniability. Yeah, it's all up in this shit because Everything it's all like it's so perfect. It's like Almost like it didn't happen No, I mean like we we know the capital officers like let people in and we know that happened We know the fbi Before any of this even happened like with the whole rush again. Everything you say we asked them in This was after they broke through multiple police lines and they were entering through other parts of the building All right, the police lines like I was making it sound done The police lines that you just referenced like I broke through who led that Not right up. So what do you mean you need to let it? What does that mean? He Was he or was he not like Maybe dude, then I let the violence or two people behind me. I was there I was I was right there when the reporters were assaulted. I filmed the whole thing. I let it I attacked the report. It was me. I orchestrated all of it. I hate the press I was I'm not on video orchestrating it What do you mean? Do you have video? Oh, that's another thing? Hold on That's another thing is that he had been in he orchestrated it He's he told somebody else to the orchestrated it. Yeah, what are you gonna do if you orchestrated it? Yeah And then he told during his 60 minutes interview. He's like, oh Oh, that was a silly word. My wife scolded me for it Like I'm just like my mind Yeah, I think I think he wanted credit even like this is even happening credit for happens all the time I think he was a braggadogeous moron You're laughing at the ridiculous while you don't have any hard evidence support anything you're saying How's this guy not enemy number one? I've already told you do you want me to tell you again? Yeah, go ahead. Okay. So He this is the one thing you could possibly get him on and we both and you just admitted early You don't even know if you could get him on it because you don't even know if it's a crime or not He says we need to go into the Capitol gets a negative reaction immediately walks it back That's the closest thing he's done to a crime the rest of it The rest of wait, let me be clear. He said peacefully, which is what the people were charged did Wait, when you say peacefully, right peacefully thousands of thousands of people who are charged with trespassing No, no, no, no the people who are in the Capitol They were charged with trespassing. Yes, I'll show you actually they were charged with trespassing But many of them were sentenced not on trespassing. They were sentenced with stopping an official government process Which was the certification of the vote? And then he walked it back immediately bullshit. Wait, wait, wait, let's be clear when you look at all the people That's bullshit when you look When you look at all the people that committed actually they committed crimes They either went into it and they stopped the certification of the vote They either bash cops over the head They all these all these crimes that actually happened and you're an FBI agent You're going through all these lists and you're putting all these photos including ray epps Then you sit down for the ray epps interview and you look at all the evidence and this is what you have He's he was standing somewhere He whispered in somebody's ear. Okay. Well, there's not really much there already I'm bling in the video. We're gonna show it The best thing you're gonna have is the day before he said go into the Capitol But then walked it back once he got a negative reaction. That's him advocating for people to do a crime a crime He didn't even go through with he didn't even get close to going through with it. Once it came time to be violent He didn't be violent. He didn't at all That's not true. Actually, I have him. I have a little I can show you a little clip of him at least in Very close. Let me get away. Let me be. Oh, what does that mean? I was okay. I've been wait Wait, I've been in close proximity. The shells falling in me. That's you. Did I kill those civilians that my fault? Is that my crime? No, that's silly. You're silly. You're you're near a crime You're near a crime. So now you're the criminal. I think this is silly the guy who told him to be there I don't I don't know if we're gonna come to an agreement about that. Hold on. Let me find this video real quick It really bothers me You don't think that's weird how the media like throws that label around a lot If you believe have you noticed a pattern about when they throw that label? Have you? Definitionally if you believe that reyeps is a federal agent, you're believing in a conspiracy. That is a conspiracy. Just definitionally What about what about uh is um Um systemic racism. Can you can you agree with me that that that just definitionally is a if Well, I don't know it's hard for me to gauge it because what what do you think about the systemic racism? Is that a conspiracy? I mean like it depends what you mean by systemic racism Do you mean like the racism a systemic racism? Is it a conspiracy? Well, I'm but there's multiple things you can mean by systemic racism if you know now suddenly I'm sorry that you don't like this n word. Um, but When it comes to systemic racism, uh, there's the idea that Through the structures that we have built that sometimes have been racist either through laws that we have passed that they affect The institutions that we have today, right? And there's maybe another one that this would be an actual conspiracy Is that the government is secretly trying to like be racist and be extra racist either like kill all the black people Just be like like super duper racist to hurt them A conspiracy there. Yes, because you're alleging a conspiracy A conspiracy is some secret plot or something along those lines But if you're making an institutional critique about institutions having problems because of the laws and its history as institutions That's not a conspiracy theory. It isn't a conspiracy to talk about redlining It isn't a conspiracy to talk about for example the problem that comes with selling black people homes and how Certain like house like sellers of like homes will avoid selling them to black people at certain statistical rates It isn't a conspiracy to talk about the problem where the comes comes having black names on applications Those aren't conspiracies. Those are just facts Okay, what if you does it change if you start blaming jewish people instead of white people? I'm just wondering What I didn't even blame white people. So those things like when you when it comes to immigration No, I'm saying that's what I'm saying like so usually white people get blamed But I'm just wondering if if the definition changes if you change the group that you're blaming for all these things I I'm confused at your question. Could you are you really? Okay, so let's just take everything that you just said and you establish is not a conspiracy If I say instead of blaming white people for that, which is traditionally blamed for those Okay, can I give it if I if I change the blame for that to a different group? Does it change is it no is it a conspiracy theory anymore in israel? There have been things that have been built into the systems that benefit shoes sometimes. Oh for other people for example I'm talking about america though But you just wanted to I'm giving you an example of something that could be systemically Systemically discriminatory the fact that any jew can move to israel if they want to that's that's discriminatory Why can't I do that as a non jewish person? Now you can make an argument that that's a good thing because that's a land of the jewish people but like Like why why does the comparison have to be in america? I'm giving you an example Hey, I'm gonna show a video here real quick. Uh, not to deflect here, but this is what I was talking about I'm just gonna play it from the video here. Okay Yeah, and democrats always blame what exactly was the role of ray epps in the chaos of january 6th The theory epps a former member of the oath Was an fbi informant who incited the crowd on january 6th Bubbled up from a right wing news site called revolver news. What are you talking about? It didn't bubble up from a right wing news site. We have multiple videos of ray epps Insighted crowds to enter the cringe watching yourself on video. I'm sorry. I don't want to I I couldn't find the exact spot I think epps may have led sorry I couldn't find the exact video I was looking for here we go the convoluted conspiracy theory made its way to capital hill Seriously, what is going on here because 60 minutes literally started out this entire piece by admitting that ray epps was with the quote Vanguard that first entered the capital premises. It's not the proud boys who engage in the initial breach It's ray epps at that precise moment. How did ray epps know that there were going to be pipe pops? Anyway, so that's the video you could see there. Hold on. Let me let's see if I can get the actual dammit. I thought that was Sorry, so you guys saw that like he is literally like right there. I yes. I'm familiar with the fact that he was right there Okay, so you've all seen the 60 minutes. What are we arguing at this point? Like I want to know why he wasn't charged why he's not enemy number one I've already answered this multiple times. No, it's bullshit. Your answers are bullshit Because why I think you just don't like the answer. Why is the standard specifically for this man somewhere? That's what you know, where why is your standard somewhere at the wrong time? Okay, you know what this is. He is on video Standing somewhere. Yes, I'm aware telling people to go to the capital So to go into the capital Yeah, but he did that the day before then walked it back. That's what you can arrest him over. You keep saying that walked it back How fucking convenient. No, he said peacefully. Yeah, he walked it back good for him So you think that's walking it back. He walked it back. So you think that's walking it back So then why are the people who entered the capital peacefully charged? When you say entering the peacefully like you mean like going all these people who entered the p Yes, the people who just walked in Stay in the in the velvet ropes like the like the grandma The grandma who had cancer who did jail time? Let me let me be clear with my position He advocated for a crime to enter the capital and interrupt an official government proceeding, right? He advocated for it. He Said he then did not engage in violence and then he went home That's all that happened with him And so when you look at all the cases out there, his is just not a major case And he did it the day before inciting a riot according Insighting a riot Insighting a riot according to federal is defined as the act of organizing promoting Encouraging participating in a riot and urging others to riot. That's what he fucking did He even admitted that he orchestrated it. He even admitted the orchestrated Hold on There was no riot on the day that he said to go into the capital But he was there the day the telling people to go there He yes He was there the day. He was there the day it happened. Wait telling people whether he was there the day Whether he was telling people to go there the day of the cat. Yeah. Yeah, so did trump But just because he was there the day of march peacefully But he is the center But it's common right Here's here's where you're fucked up is that it's common knowledge in the media that he is to blame for jaylor's 6th uh-huh I mean he created the i mean certainly more to blame than ray abs He's more to blame than the guy on the ground telling people going to crowds telling them to go into the capital Not even a question. I think that I can interact with at least 300 people You think that ray abs actually like he's near he's near He's he's engulfed in a round 300 people in that first video You have and then it's convincing a single person to engage in violence. I'm just like why do these standards suddenly pop up when we're talking about Well, no, no, no, no, you just said you said you said he could have done that to 300 people Can you give me an example of one person? He encouraged you and gained violence And then gauge of violence because the one time he did kind of Encourage people to actually be violence everybody reacted to him negatively because he's not a particularly convincing guy But you know what the fact that we're even debating this is really weird because I don't know you got us on It's just weird to be like everybody involved in jaylor's 6th is widely hated and reviled And their lives are if you want if you grandma's good Hold on and grandma's go to prison for just walking in and walking out But this guy Is a victim and he doesn't get charged and he's oh poor him and then when he gets and and then when he gets uh Interviewed on 60 minutes. Who does he blame? He blames the medias and the democrats favorite targets. It's tucker carlson It's fox news. It's conservatives. It's republicans. It's white people It's like it's like isn't that crazy that the person who's like getting like probably like analyst amount of death threats Because people legitimately believe he's a federal agent. I mean it seems like you believe he's a federal agent as well No, I gave you two options. He's either he either was working with the government in some capacity Or he's a useful idiot for the media to make a victim so they can blame trump One of the two I mean like you can Wait, so he's either the either the media is using him to like just go after trump Well, no because he's the guy on video telling people to go to the capitol So if he's the blame for the riot then you can't blame trump which Here tell me about this dude. I'm sorry. Tell me tell me about this That this one random person nobody knows is the reason that the riot happened. It's so silly I don't even think that's your real position. Did you watch the 60 minutes interview? Yes, I watched it because he told me to So the january 6th lawyer The guy the guy the the january 6th guy that they interviewed He's like, oh, it's so dumb. There's no evidence for it And the people who think that he's an agent are just ignoring The evidence and they're ignoring what trump said But in reality The january 6th committee are the ones who ignore what trump said because trump said to march peacefully and make your voices heard And that was actually never Played during the hearings. They actually don't do out. They actually want me. Do you want to hear my explanation as to why Does that manip does that change your thinking? Okay, so I was trying to explain like five minutes ago. I thought trump was more Okay, well, yeah, you you ignored my other thing. You didn't let me even get into my point Do you want do you want me to explain why I think trump's more culpable than him? Or do you want me to answer your hypothesis? Sure. Go ahead. Okay. Okay, so I believe that trump created an environment where violence was almost inevitable If you genuinely believe that your democracy is being stolen by an elite cabal By some people who are rigging it by the evil democrats And that the truly democratically elected leader had it stolen from them And he's telling you to go to the capital and to pressure mike pence and to overturning the results of the election Even though mike pence doesn't really even have the authority to do so Once that doesn't work you have a bunch of people at the capital of the united states thinking our democracy is dead It was just stolen baseless But our democracy is dead and it was just stolen now if I genuinely believed that a democracy was dead and it was just stolen Storming the capital is the least you could do armed resistance with guns and bombs and grenades That would be morally acceptable in my view if your democracy was actually dead I mean, do you hear the roar of the democrats and stuff recently? like What what do you think the same about them and media talking about the trans stuff? I mean, it's apocalyptic What is this we're hearing trans genocide and all this shit? Is this just like a what aboutism or what are we no? I'm just asking do you feel the same way about that? Um, if somebody is saying that like trans people are being genocided and we need to go do something to stop it Then obviously I think that that's like hyperbolic rhetoric and you shouldn't be engaged in that. That's good Okay. No back to what we were talking about So if you believe that our democracy is being stolen, I believe violent action is not only Okay, I think it is a necessity And so that's the problem that was faced by those people because they believe the democracy is stolen Of course they're gonna engage in violence. That's why it was such a terrible eye Tiny amount of people But if you have so many people at the capital that believe that because all the people there They believe the election was stolen. That was the whole point of it was they stopped the steal rally That's what it was called. That's not unusual as I pointed out to you like like literally every democrat election They lose they there was nothing comparable to that in 2000 By the time by the time the inauguration process started on january 6th of the year 2000 by the time that was happening Al Gore had already conceded. The process was over. George Bush was going to be president There's no there is no equivalent There he is There is the equivalent rally They launched the whole russia gate thing, which is bullshit So they tried to storm the they stormed the capital and beat up a bunch of cops It's like when when did that happen on in 2016? Oh, yeah So, uh during trump's inauguration There was a huge riot that and encompassed a bunch of dudes that looked like ninjas dressed up in black uniforms Attacking people breaking shit and they were trying to stop the certification of the vote because they believe the election I'm getting there. They would have got into the capital, but guess what it was blocked off for some reason It's blocked off I can prove it to you too You want to see it? I can prove to you. Hold on. I'll prove to you. Okay. You didn't I'm gonna prove to you Okay, so like literally like every time democrats lose there's violence Do you know what this just sounds like this just sounds like a big what about this in any way? Right. That's what you I'm asking you because that's what that's what we always say You guys have a program into your brain like anytime you're gonna talk over you So I'm just gonna let you talk yourself out and then I'll say what I want to say So once you guys once you guys get caught on your hypocrisy, you say it's what about us. That's it Okay, so my hypocrisy I never said the election was stolen ever I never advocated for people to go to the capital and stop trump for being inaugurated When trump is elected. I said trump is the president of the united states. It is what it is You lost it is what it is. I said it at the time I was like 16 or 17 at the time, but that's that's the responsible thing to do. Yeah, but now Now the problem I have is the question was is reyeps or donald trump more culpable for what happened Obviously Much much much more to the environment that created the violence that happened in january 6 And you can't bring up a single example of reyeps directly inspiring somebody to go do violence Because the only example you can point to we actually advocate for people to do something that could be conceived as violence Everybody reacted to him negatively. Honestly. I think you're just defending reyeps because you're you're locked into that Please you're locked into this bond of that. Please you're pivoting No, i'm not like What respond to that respond to that Respond to what no direct evidence. I have evidence of video of him inciting it like what else you want You're not listening to me at all. I know I did I listened to you dylan. I know what you're saying Hey, so who did he inspire you're so like you're so like like an example You have to be against whatever give me anybody for my side comes from He's on video. That's my evidence. He's on video telling people to do exactly what happened 300 people. Give me one What? Yes, you did. You said he's five probably 300 people to engage of Enough people And he's he is who did he inspire at the he is at the He he is there the day. So here's my evidence. He is there Shut up. He is there day before telling people to go to the capital and then he is at the forefront at the vanguard of the initial Uh breach of the uh gates and capital police boom That's too you just proved that now like fuck off like you act like i'm the one coming No, no, no, no, you know what i'm sick of this shit like the the evidence is on our side Stop acting like i'm the one that's like oh, i'm coming at nowhere No, what the fuck do you have on your side? You have nothing All you all you have is like, oh, I hate the people that are saying this So i'm just gonna like tell myself that this guy had nothing to do with it Even though he's the guy telling people to do the thing that happened and he's on video doing it And this guy who like what do you mean? He was on video like he didn't storm the capital You said he your your evidence that you're doing it. Is he literally literally whispered into a guy's ear At the front at the vanguard the first Do you think it's just you think it's just a coincidence. So you think it's coincidence So you think it's Dylan, let me ask you this violence Let me ask you this don't don't let me ask you this Do you think it's a coincidence? And he's the guy that was telling people the day before the internet capital And that he's the guy that was at the front at the vanguard at the first Breach of the gates at the capital you think it's it's just totally it's a coincidence I think you that he believed the election was stolen. That's why he was there. Okay. What's that mean? That's why he was there because he believed the election was stolen because right and he just happens to be the guy That's at the front the vanguard that is breaching the capital initially and he's also the guy told me That's nothing. I'm such an idiot. Oh my god, ryan. You're such an idiot Are you serious? You said it not me. Are you fucking serious dylan? I'm an idiot ryan You think i'm an idiot dylan? No, you said it. I didn't say it. You called yourself an idiot I didn't know i'm just like no i'm i'm obviously being facetious here like that's I I don't even I my brain can't fathom that i'm here Arguing this point brain can't fathom a lot of something is wrong something's wrong That we're even arguing this Seriously I think it is silly that we're debating whether this guy's a fed with basically zero evidence Well, i'm not even I told you there's two possibilities. It's not just that and it's not necessarily as a fed He could be in a form for multiple different Outfits or he could be just somebody that the media had or that the government had something on and they fucking blackmailed him Who fucking knows like can he just be something? There's something not right about this man And the fact that you cannot admit that is very suspect to me. Well, I think there is something Do you guys have critically thinking brains? No, i'm a you consider yourself. I'm not we've got me right. I consider you dylan to be a pretty smart guy I think you're a pretty smart guy. I don't think either of you guys are you it's actually I think both you guys are smart people. So that's why I wanted to talk to you about this Because my brain needs some sort of explanation for why you guys Blow this off. I need I need to know why it doesn't something if something is very wrong if you cannot explain this So if you really want my explanation if I was prosecutors, I would have gone after everyone literally everyone I could have Of course they have I would have they have except for him a lot of people. I would have also arrested a apps and I probably would have charged him I don't think I would have gotten evidence on him. So why didn't why do you just miss that principal? I do it because why do you just miss that? I like really don't like those people because I saw Why do you dismiss was also in my fact he wasn't charged because I think they didn't charge him because they knew they couldn't get him on anything Bullshit Why isn't he enemy number one? Why is the why is the cuban on shaman enemy number one? Not this guy Okay, so tell me how strong the case is explain to me the strength of the case against ray epps I'm I'm not going to do this anymore. We all know he's on the legal case Not the conspiracy. He stood there and he whispered in someone's ear shouting fire in a crowded theater or whatever the fuck we always hear Uh as a justification to silence right wingers So it would be fire. Oh never mind not a fire not a you're telling me if a right-winger you're the next day We'd wait the comparison would be and then the next day people get trampled That would be the comparison He was there the same day I feel like i'm cocking the liberal cock. I've been speaking a lot and he hasn't just made a It's three o'clock man. You're in your crane. Have fun. No, he but he was there the same day It wasn't just the next day. It was the same day. Yeah, so he goes the next day and then there's a trampoline But he didn't yell fire that day Fuck that dude. Fuck that come on. Why are you playing dumb Dylan? Are you an agent? I'm starting to wonder about you. I'm honestly starting to wonder about you Are you working with the same thing about me? You are in ukraine That is true. How did I get the answer? You are. How'd you get there? I did a 22 year old Hey guys, I did not kill myself. Okay Everybody I did not kill myself Dylan what's up with you, man? Are you working for the cia or the fbi or Absolutely, honestly, like it's just weird because I know you're a smart guy like It doesn't make sense to me that you would make the argument that you're making because like uh critically thinking brain Bullshit argument isn't that like ray epps is a good guy My argument isn't that ray epps didn't even necessarily advocate for a crime My argument is that I don't think the legal case against him was strong enough for them to go forward on it And I don't think he's a fat. Okay. These aren't too Screw that screw that screw screw all that. Why is he not enemy fucking number one in the media? Why was the qanon shaman enemy? Why was uh, the the um, why was uh, ashley bad Why was uh, the woman the I can tell you I can tell you why I'm all Why was she the focus? Why was I don't remember? This guy who's on video for multiple days telling people to go in the capital We got to go in the capital and that's where our problems are So he was either working for the government telling people to go there or he was just some chud He was just some chud, but he's a chud who is Is to blame and so if we blame him we can't blame trump We can't those are not the only two possibilities Propaganda you're putting too much power in this person. There's no propaganda victory and Responsibility from the others who are actually responsible. No use your brain There's no there's no propaganda and using ray absence. There's nothing there, but trump there is Perhaps if he's to blame There's nothing there. You can't the reason why they talk about ashley babbitt is because actually babbitt was shot and killed And so obviously she's gonna the guy who shot her as a hero The guy who shot her as a hero I Yeah, they said he got interviewed at 60 minutes and they called him a hero. Look, I back the blue Okay, personally I back the blue, but when it comes to like like the qanon shaman Like the qanon shaman was wearing a ridiculous headdress goes into the capital actually the day of And was a big qanon guy and a pretty big whack job And so it's pretty easy to film that person and bring attention to them Let me tell you I filmed a lot of people and like a lot of protests and it's always the craziest Characters the ones saying the weirdest stuff that's wildest characters They get the most attention in the media and the qanon shaman was a crazy character Of course, he's gonna be like the person people talk about afterwards if somebody like for remember the brazilian version of The like january 6 people talked about where the brazilians There was like a brazilian january 6 if there was a guy who did that in like a lobster outfit And he was like I believe that lula is actually the son of elvis pressley And he was like some crazed whack job that would have been the symbol for the brazilian january 6 well during that 60 minutes interview like one of the first points they make is that reyafs stood out amongst the crowd and He's like why why would he stand out so obvious if he was an fbi agent? So like they they even made that point that he stood out. So I just want to make that point Well, he stood out, but he doesn't stand out like the qanon shaman and you know, he doesn't stand out like the qanon does nobody else Really All right, you tell me if I put qanon shaman next to this guy, you're gonna be like these are two I would say they're both characters. I would say they're both interesting characters. Yeah Not at all. Not at all. The same extent. All right. Well, let me just terrible Let me just can I just play the point should have a better content brain on this You're like a you're a youtuber. You should know this. This is a better content brain I do know this what are you talking about? Hold on one second Let me get to the point what I'm talking about exactly All right, one second. This might be it. I'm not sure one second It's hard when I'm not actually hearing it Oh, jeez. This is a super super Serious Sorry guys. All right, here we go. Here we go. I got it All right Damning combined with his own testimony in which he admits to orchestrating the riot. All right, so that was what Why do we keep playing your own videos? Somehow not because I I put all these little tidbits in here. I'm just hold on one second I thought that was it one second. There's a point where they they address this specific point By the way, okay. All right. Hold on. They address this actual specific point. I just want to I just want to go to that And he's now out of prison because the fbi and the government video for multiple days inciting time on the QAnon shaman And he's now out of prison because the fbi and the government purposely with help. All right. Well, anyway, there's one point they they they mentioned the fact that uh raps himself was very like obvious like he's very In the crowd. He was a very obvious person mm-hmm So, I don't know that's just my point is like you were making a point that but the QAnon shaman is not somebody being like sticking out because they like They're tall and it's like very different from sticking out because you're wearing that costume And you're like when you're in the conspiracy theorist scale, you're not like a three or four. You're a 10 He's he believed in like the autrena chrome human trafficking QAnon like he bought the pizza gate. He bought all of it He was obviously a better character to portray the craziness of january sex. Absolutely And that's why the media stuck to him because he was interesting bathroom break guys. I'm brought back So, uh This has been fun Yeah, what do you what do you think what do you think of this so far? uh I think jontech has a very uh very conspiratorial mind that has the same patterns with every single topic he ever talks about um like like You'll start with something specific and then are already always broadened out and end up with the media at some point Like like the media is always he does. He does really not like the media Yeah, and that's understandable But like like the thing you're trying to get at with the QAnon shaman is that the media has a very sensationalism bias They have a bias towards sensationalism. He thinks that it's some other bias some other some bias against trump Yeah, by the way, that's not like a compliment. I'm not I don't think there's a good thing. Yeah, I think the sensationalism is bad Yeah, yeah Why is ray epps not being covered as enemy public enemy number one? Well, he didn't really commit any crimes Um, he's not interesting like the QAnon shaman. Uh, he wasn't violent Um, I the media tends to focus on the violent people more so than they do anyone else just look at how they treated blm And but you you can't convince them of that. There's there's no way to convince some of that Yeah, the thing is it's like the day but how would the media have portrayed this? Hello, everybody. Did you know the day before this guy said people should go into the capital before then saying p He inspired it all like no, that's ridiculous. Of course. He didn't inspire at all He's just not that imposing of a figure to have done that. He he doesn't have that influence He's a relative unknown in the day of he was just telling people to go towards the capital We didn't see him advocate for anybody to be violent the day of he didn't engage any violence He didn't enter the capital the only time he actually advocated for something that could be considered violence He immediately got a negative response. So it's hard for me to believe in the 24 hours following that He was able to inspire enough people to engage in violence to call a shame resource Yeah, I think that the most damning evidence to drone text point and this is only in the court of public opinion Not so much the court of law because I don't think this would hold up in court of law Is the text message to his nephew, but that could just be explained by him being an idiot No, I here's my thing is like it's weird to me how dismissive you guys are how Like quickly you guys are to defend this man And it feels to me like it's purely partisan like this guy Like the media Defends this guy. So we are going to defend this guy You know, that's why it seems to us and see exact reverse, right? Because it's like you've only you said there's only two scenarios that you can accept, right? You said that the only two surely it's logically is that he's a fed Or that it's part of that they don't want to acknowledge it because he was the real culprit, right? And you can't even acknowledge the idea that it could be possible That people are playing connect the dots when there's just no dots to really connect P things can look suspicious Things can look sketchy and there could be nothing there Like look at this that's how people get sentenced when they would they weren't the actual people who committed the crimes It happens all the time the the article I have right now about like the Q and on shaman He was released early because tucker played footage That was not shown during his trial. It's not true. That's not what is true prove it prove it Give me any sports statement. Give me any evidence of that Why was he released early right after that footage was good behavior? There's so many coincidences To be clear willing to if somebody unless somebody is I don't know how okay, I don't mean to be insulted I don't know how much, you know that the prison system But if somebody is not denied parole during the sentencing Usually they don't serve the majority the majority or the entirety of their sentence They usually let off early to some extent unless they're sentenced without parole He could have like he was going to most likely be let out early Especially on trespassing charges you you get so I don't know how dc is but in virginia If you do something like trespassing you're only going to serve 50 of your time if you Get your maximum good behavior points Yeah, well, why is that why is that impossible? Can you tell me how how are you so certain that it must be the release of the footage and can't be He was released early on good behavior like a lot of people are all the time It's just the like it happened literally like two days after tucker crawlsson released that footage And it came out that that footage should not have been allowed during his lawyer said that footage You said it's so confidently you didn't say man. Isn't that suspicious? You said that is the reason you you said no I'm saying that's no. I'm sick Dude, there's just like there's a lot of like weird. It is. Yeah, you're connecting the dots. Yeah Wait two seconds two seconds It would be possible that there was some kind of evidence that wasn't presented at trial because uh The qanashaman could have had a shitty lawyer. Um, this happens all the time But in order for him to get out early based off of new evidence You have to have a whole other trial And unless it should be pretty easy for you to prove that there was another trial to get him out early, right? They avoided that by letting him out on good behavior What the good behavior? How do you how do you have any evidence that that was the reason? No, that's the thing about all this stuff. Uh plausible deniability. We're like wallowing. We're like all like We're like, you know what I do for a living. You know what I do. I only have three minutes left Right, we're gonna we're gonna wrap this up here. Okay. I only have three minutes I just want to say the thing is with plausible deniability is sometimes things are plausibly deniable Because they also just didn't happen But it did like he's on video doing like you don't know the topic here We do We do though because he's on video saying it and he's saying go to the capital Yes, like it's so weird to me like you guys are working so hard to pretend like that never happened I didn't I acknowledge one of the first thing I acknowledged when we started I started by acknowledging the suspicious stuff and trying to give Uh alternative explanations to your only two theories the only possible two theories that you say are The possible right what other theory do you think there is? I already gave you think he's just a guy that the that the media the democrats all See as a sympathetic figure who just happens to be the same guy who told people to go to the capital Who they say was an attack on the right the attack on democracy The guy the guy who told people to do an attack on democracy is a sympathetic figure That's a reason to became a sympathetic figure isn't because The reason he became a sympathetic figure in the eyes of many isn't because like of the things he did then The reason he became a sympathetic figure is because the way he's been treated since then because people love people democrats and republicans Love this too people love a turncoat or somebody who used to be on this side and now they're on this side You see it with for example republicans. Do you ever see it on the other side? Yeah, remember list list cheney as an example Well, yeah, republican you see it on the republican side a lot Of this Yeah, but they hate her they they treat republicans that that turn on republicans as heroes They treat democrats who turn on democrats is like horrible people. Yes. That's yes always the republicans are going to treat democrats who turn Co good and republicans are going to treat i'm talking about the media democratic turnco good like Well depends on which media outlets because republicans who turn on republicans are good democrats who turn on democrats are always bad always Going back to Lieberman. I'm going to be remember Lieberman How did fox treat tulsi gabbert? They had her host tucker crawls. I'm talking about mbc cbs ABC until talking about the majority of media number one most powerful playing dumb Fox news host the number one show in all of cable news. That isn't all entirely media That's a great part of the media. Okay. That's one channel though news and gay people's channel All the other ones say something completely different It is the biggest show you can't just discount that You can't just discount the other media organizations being united in a talking in a narrative They are abc cbs nbc ms. Mbc cnn pbs npr In new york times boss and glow whatever you want They all are all united in a message and as a democrat Do I just need to like do I just need to like list off like right wing or like center right Okay, let's now do that what I need to do newsmax oan which are newsmax oan are pretty small fry So you got fox news. That's pretty much it daily wire bright bar. There's more than the ones you don't like internet It's not the same thing. It's not we're not we're not because tv news is what goes out to the unwashed masses The unwashed masses. Okay, it's 9 p.m. I gotta go actually have payout. All right me. All right, dylan It was fun, buddy. I thank you so much for being here. Seriously I know you are super busy. You're in a war zone You're reporting shit that most people don't have the balls to report and you're backing up what you believe in I really respect it. Thank you very much. Everybody should check out his work No problem. You're gonna be safe. Nice meeting you. Bye. Bye. I don't know So, yeah clock Clock it's just you and me bro. I'm saying nice meeting you hurt because I've met him before Oh, yeah, we've met him before But now I was on a call in with him a couple times Yeah, I I basically think there's something if you don't think there's something we're going on with raps I have I have to question your your intelligence and your ability to Think critically like I just like Come on like there's something going on there. There's something I usually Don't try to explain things and other ways it can be explained with idiocy I'm with you. I'm with you on that I think that your strongest evidence is him telling his nephew that he orchestrated it I think not just that but also the video of him orchestrating it. But yeah, well, so you say the video of him orchestrating it You have a video of him January 5th Yeah, telling people that they need to go and start to the capital and be peaceful Right, right and the people are like the people that he's telling that to are like what literally you hear that in the crowd They're like what yeah, like they're surprised. They're like, that's insane. We're not gonna do that There were there were thousands and thousands and thousands of people there, right? No, there were a hundred around 120,000 people maybe more but there were thousands But right, but there were only they're like literally the only people who engage with right police for is around 300 people Well, those were supposedly That was he was charged. There was more people to engage in right police I think we could both agree that there was probably more people than was charged There was also a lot. I think probably less actually. I think they probably charged Harder than they would normally I think it's probably when I look at the video of the I'd say it's like I would say that because there's video I have video in my video of ray apps engage With a crowd against the hold on. Let me let me bring it up here. Hold on I meant to do it earlier. I got sidetracked or you do that. I'm gonna talk Um, I think that they're um, so your big your biggest evidence is the nephew thing second biggest is the day before he said Go into the capital Neither of those things Are crimes or are proof of a crime That's bullshit man. The fact that you're even making this argument is bullshit Wait, hold on. So which one of those two things or a proof of a crime? Here, let me tell you real quick. I'm trying to explain to you like you're not getting this It's weird to everybody who is on my level right now That You're going so hard to run cover for this guy who's on video telling people to go to the capital when We are told endlessly from our media and from every institution that january 6th was almost it's on par with the civil war So like this guy who told people to go there and this event that occurred right after that On the same day he told people to do it. Ian the day before you're telling you're doing your best to downplay his actions It's really weird. You don't see where i'm coming from. You don't see where i'm coming from on that But see things you say downplay his actions. I'm just simply saying that he didn't commit a crime Uh, I think that he was an idiot. I think he was culpable for his actions morally But not criminally. I don't think he committed a crime But it's it beyond the charges the charges is one thing But then on top of that we have both the democrats members of the january 6th committee And the media all defending this guy in the same fashion. It's weird as fuck You don't expect us to question that like what the fuck are we abandoning? The narrative that because he wasn't charged That's evidence that he's an fbi agent. Is that is that abandoned now because I can I can Leave that point if you're abandoning it One second. Hold on F says back one second. Okay. Here we go. I'm trying to share a screen here. Say ask me that again So are we abandoning the talking point that because he wasn't charged? Um, that's evidence that he was an fbi agent because that's part of it That is definitely a part of it. So we have to talk about just one part one part of many But in order in order to talk about this one part We have to talk about the legality of the actions that we have proven that he's done Right So real quick. I just want to point out right I don't know if you can see it, but I put up on the screen screenshot of my video on this and where it shows highlights 326 defendants have been charged with assaulting resisting and uh impeding officers impeding officers So that's I mean, that's not necessarily violence like people, you know, I mean like 326 people and then there were 919 approximately charged with entering or remaining in the capital I'm just I just want to throw it out there. Okay. So rey ab sit and enter the capital Right, but he told people to do it, but he told that nobody did it What the day of he told people to do that He told people to go to the capital But why are you playing these semantic games with me? Like why are you doing that in the first place? Because no No, cluck cluck drop everything and answer me why you're suddenly defending a january 6 person who would normally hate Now you're defending them explain first of all real quick. You I don't normally hate january 6 people I think they're idiots, but but I appreciate the fact that if there was an actual like Stealing of democracy there are people that would put themselves at risk to try and stop that. I do appreciate that fact So so let's okay. Well, that's right What do you do you feel the same way about all the the years with the democrat protests were like 2000 police officers were injured and around a dozen ambush and murdered by left-wing democrat people That I appreciate them No, like I'm it's just weird. Don't you think it's weird that like Or do I think they're idiots? No, I'm just like You're like so solemn for these officers, but like we don't hear anything about these other ones No, I I have sympathy for the officers that were but do you hear anything about them? It's like forgotten out in the memory hole, right? You agree with that I don't think many people are talking about january 6 and right. No, they are it's like constant It's every year. It's going to be like an annual holiday. Oh, yeah, but Right, okay, but do you think any left-wing violence will ever be commemorated? Honestly, the clock clock just answer me. Do you think any left-wing violence will ever be commemorated ever? I don't know Do you think it's weird that like we commemorate all this like so-called right-wing violence, but Having people having people enter the capital to disrupt a electoral process. That's happened I mean That kind of things happened before before that Uh left-wingers entered the supreme court And stopped the process of confirming the supreme court justice, right? So those people were allowed in there until they no, they weren't allowed. Yes. No, they weren't allowed Did you see the video I take it's to be there's tons of video of it They were like patting on the doors and breaking the windows. Yeah Okay. Anyways, so the legality of what right apps did Hold on. I want to play this real quick. Okay. Do you see this video I'm playing? Okay, yeah, I see it. Okay. I'm gonna play the video engaging in some of the violence Here's ray ups actually involved in the fighting with riot police There dude Right, is he not like right Go back in it. He's just like look the police are right here. Did he touch a cup at all? No, but i'm saying like do do you think like Look how many people are here. This is around 300 people Is this evidence so these were the 300 people that were charged He's in it. Why is it? What is he doing there? What are you doing? Right, what is he doing there? Why the fuck is he a great again hat? Right. Yes, it is. So the red hat was a point that you brought up, but he it's a make america great again hat Right, I'm saying though like he There's one right there. There's another red hat right there Is he a fed? That was like a minor point. I was Right there. Is he a fed? No, I was making a point about they said he was so I mean I made a point about the fact they said they said that he stood out and I'm like, yes, he did stand out Why is that? Whoever said that on 60 minutes. I think they were 60 minutes said that they literally said that they're like He stood out trying to create a narrative. I think that was dumb point. I don't think ray upset stood out at all I'm like, yeah, he stood out. Why is that if I saw this footage And there wasn't an arrow pointing at ray ups right now. He would not be anymore remarkable. That's my video I would say that if any of these people were going we're going to be the peaceful ones It's the guy that's got his like face shown doesn't have his face covered and Like all these people look like they're they're they're here for trouble Whereas ray ups actually looks like he's he's here just to be in a protest Are you fucking serious? Yeah, what the fuck are you talking about? He's one guy the mass of people and you're like, oh that that guy right there. He's he's there for good purposes I know that you got this guy right there with the arrow. He's he's there for good purposes This guy right here. Sorry, you can't see it, but the guy right in front of ray apps guy's face covered eyeglasses on hat on very suspicious looking Um, and this would be suspicious that these weren't people that like railed against masks during covid I could could just say oh, they're just uh, they're just you know conscious of covid But I really don't think that's the case with them. Wait go back to the video. There was more people that I want to point out What's going on? Sorry about the accident left stream. Oh anyways The legality of what ray ups did that video you just showed does not show ray apps doing anything illegal He didn't assault a cop there Let's just put aside the legality. We can't because that's one of your points No, just stop. No, it is one of my points The other one let's let's put aside. Let's just put aside Because this is so absurd to me. I have to just do this. Let's put aside the legality Like how do you explain the defense of this man? He did something illegal for me to say, okay? It's a little weird. He didn't get charged It's more than a little weird. It's really fucking weird. Why would it be the basis of all of this? It would be Chargable He inside a riot is inside of your he did he did That's what he was doing literally seven inch. You've got of that was on january 5th when he said let's go into the capital Why do you feel the need to defend? So there was no riot then all right I feel like we're never going to come to an agreement on this because quite Honestly, I feel like this is like one of the biggest most obvious psyops ever perpetrated on this country I don't know what's going on here, but it's something really fucking weird And you know, I I respect guys like liberal clock and and and dylan burns I know they're intelligent people but There's and I think we're all susceptible to this by the way. There's some sort of Action being taken here, which is targeted at certain groups of people apparently and I think we're all susceptible to this So I'm not blaming clock. I think that I don't know. I I can't explain your position. I just don't understand it and You know, I just explain your position. I Yeah, so you think that that um, there's a good chance that ray epps is a federal agent because one He he um committed crimes, but didn't get charged like other one. Yes on anyway six Um, two the media isn't focusing on him the way they did like the qanon shaman Um, three for example, anyway six committee didn't put any focus on them because you have this perspective and actually lied for him They actually lied for him. What was the lie? well, well, uh like that genuine during that 60 minutes interview the january 6 lawyer guy said that Uh, that we were that we were the ones that were lying because we're trying to deflect from Trump's words And the truth is that the january 6 committee and you can look this up snopes actually Confirms this that they're they actually edited out Trump's words about Marching peacefully they they edited that out of every video they played So they purposely No, hold on. Do you hear what i'm saying? Oh, no, I hear what you're saying. It just has nothing They purposely took that out. Why do you think they did that? I don't know what to make trump look bad. That has nothing to do more than that It connects to ray epps. It's like ray epps did do that like he did. He's on video He's the only guy on video doing that You know i'm saying dude i'm telling you This is purposeful everything all this shit is purposeful i'm telling you they they cannot blame trump they It's funny because this whole their whole thing has already imploded anyway It doesn't matter, but they're still clinging on to it anyway Like they're not going to get trump for this obviously It's already imploded, but like they're still they're still trying And they can't let it go because if they do they'd be admitting that I I fucking hate the state of our politics because it leads to retarded dumbass shit like this Like because this should be obvious And I know you're smart and I know that like you're just I appreciate you're arguing with me cluck I I just I feel like you know, this is bullshit No, I really don't because everything you really So you really think like you really think he's a victim in this shit Do I think he's a victim? No, I think he put himself in Fuck him. I feel like fuck rey abs Yeah, so yeah, I don't really care. No, like when I saw Let me cluck can I tell you something real quick when I saw what's happened on jayway 6 I was disgusted I didn't like it So i'm a right winger. I did not want that that happened. I did not want like to see it happen I didn't want it to happen But this guy made it happen. Who is this guy? You know what I'm saying like You got to open your mind a little bit to the shenanigans that are going on out there. I think Well, I think that if i'm going to connect them editing trumps, um Trump's speech to rey abs Um and try to claim that january 6 lied for rey abs because they edited trump's speech I think that's opening your mind a little bit too much because Had them editing trump's speech isn't lying for rey abs like what? Excuse me It's you can claim that it's lying by now you're making excuses for like orwellia and censorship Clark are you like a ci are you a ci agent? Am I Are is this the only reason I can get guests is because they're all ci agents I don't think you're actually a ci agent. I hope you're not you kind of look like you might be though I work for a prison. You already know this I can see you being an agent of some kind. I'm like you're both We're both look at us. Look my I have blue eyes too, bro. We're both like irish ancestry Okay, anyway Stop All right, I'm gonna end this I'm gonna end this because I don't know where to go with I don't know where to go at this point I'm just like I don't know where to go. So but I appreciate you coming look how many people you got watching right now Nobody there's like 33 people. Nobody. Oh, okay. That's perfect. All right. So listen. I am trying to drop woke twitch For based Free speech rumble and I need 25 followers in order to do that. I need 25 followers. Come on guys dream on rumble Just search for a liberal clock on rumble and you'll find me. Um, I got this chicken avatar Follow me. You don't need to watch me. You don't need to like my videos or anything. I just want to stream Uh, so yeah, if you want to if you want to support free speech by taking a streamer From twitch and over to go to over to rumble then. Uh, yeah, follow me on guys. Go help them. Whatever. It's rumble I'll go over there and debate him This guy. Wait, do you want to show rumble? I'm on rumble. Oh, are you? Okay. Cool. Yeah, of course. Are you on kick? No, no, okay But hey, thanks. I got I got an audience question. You want to answer this one for me? Yeah, yeah, of course Um, if you grant if I grant you everything, how do you know that ray wasn't working for trump? What if ray was working for trump to get people in to disrupt the election? Yeah, I I think there's something going on with ray and I'll explain why this is there's there's a lot of Different reasons to suspect ray is dirty Let me give you one huge example So we have the gop baseball game shooting, which most people don't even know it happened I So what that was was a democrat. I know what it is. Okay, so your audience may not but Uh democrat opened fire on a gop baseball game Uh, almost killed steve's gliss and while he was doing this he was screaming. This is for health care So that happened and then director ray Tried to pass it off as suicide by cop tried to cover it up Pass it off years later when pressed with all the evidence, which was pretty obvious early on Admitted that it was uh, that it was domestic terrorism. It was a democrat targeting republicans and so You know, I definitely question director ray's credibility He seems like a partisan actor to me because it's pretty clear that was uh, if they had happened the other way Do you think that would ever be a question? Do you think that would be something that fell down the memory hole or would that be an event that was commemorated that we Like uh charlottesville or january 6 we talked about every year commemorate charlottesville I don't even know when that happened. Fuck you dude. What the fuck you talking about every year. They commemorate that Listen, I don't want to dox myself, but I live very close to charlottesville. I have friends. They do every year Um, I I know I I not even in charlottesville. They don't Bullshit the media does it every year, dude. What the fuck just google it. I live in charlottesville I don't care. I don't care. Okay. The media does it every year. We don't What are you talking about here google charlottesville google charlottesville and see what year the the articles that you're seeing are Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Come on google charlottesville Hold on. Let me hear Here we go. So let me just put this on over here Oh, there we go I got the latest one in 2021 2022 for me five years. This is an npr. That's not state media five years after charlottesville rally Residents grapple with the memories. That's in april our august 12 The residents over here isn't grappling with shit We they're the direct family is probably still grappling with it My point is this is a common thread, dude This is what the media commemorates so-called right-wing violence. They memory whole left-wing violence So it seems very one-sided Okay It happens. It's a it's a real thing. I mean I guarantee you couldn't tell me a single fucking example of left-wing violence Um, Kenosha Well, good Okay, I wouldn't I I wouldn't call. Well, I would call the riots left-wing violence. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, good for you. It's never been called that ever in the media Okay, I'm glad you admit that it is but yeah Good, you know what cluck I like you dude And I'm glad you joined me and we're gonna head in this stream right now because It's like 9 30 and my ass is tired. So all right. Thanks a lot for joining me. Uh, it was a fun combo and uh Do you want to Plug anything else before we go? I've already plugged my rumble. So all right guys. Well kind of my discord if you want to Chat any more and uh go to my website and my My youtube channel and all that shit. So thanks a lot. I'll see you all later. All right. Have a good night y'all