 I did improve it though by adding the gas mask and coloring it in. That's what it needed. And it's good that you just recognize it as Sonic. That's important. Well, what else could one possibly imagine it is? I mean, there's... I mean, I think when it was first made, it reminded me of the guy from Home Movies. I forget his name. Guy from Home Movies? Yeah, let me... Images... I will show you... Do you remember Home Movies? No, I'm not even sure what you were talking about. Is this a... Program or...? Yeah, it's an old TV show. Oh, I saw some people mentioning that on Twitter, yeah. Does he have a name? It came to mind for me. His name is... I probably know it. Brendan... Brendan? I think is his name? Brendan Small. Wait, really? That's his name? Yeah. Brendan Small is the name of the guy who made that lock lips, I think. Well, what's interesting is that Brendan Small plays Brendan Small. Oh, I see. Ah, yes. It's by Brendan Small and Lauren Bouchard. Is there a Brendan Lodge, by any chance? There might be, but perhaps it's just a humble family. Yeah. No, no, son. No, no, little Brendan. Little Brendan Small. The smallest of the little Brendan. The smallest of the tiny ones. The most minuscule of the teensy weensy. But they're all like very large. Thanks for calling me dad. I really appreciate that. Oh, hey. Where do you some people in chat? How are you doing there? That's great. Well, just so happen... I mean, we're here. We are here. We might as well have a podcast. Have a little chat. Everything's as it is. We can have a really, definitely a little chat. We won't go on and on about these, whatever. No, no, no, no. I have a small chat and then a large chat. Would you tell you what? Oh, we're going to have a big one and a small one. I think we could just mix a bunch of both together. That seems to be what we kind of did for the past four years. Well, I'm going to tell you right off the bat, some of these will be very small chats. Oh, will they now? Big ones will be necessary. I think so. I guess once we give a moment for people to file in, I can tell you which of the two... We'll give the list of trailers, right? And then I'll tell you which ones I think will be the small chats. Not that it's bad if they aren't. I think we're just going to say which will be good. I was like, oh yeah, of course, a short list. None of them. No, they'll all be shit. The point is that two in particular stand out as being... Our chat will be short. I agree. Not even by our standards, but by normal person standards. And I would argue it's not even to do with their length necessarily, because there is one that's pretty short that I think we'll probably talk about for much longer. We shall. Because you're right, we should let people pour in to give them a chance. Pour in. What a race. Yeah, let me see. Let me go to the YouTube here. Now that my recommendations are ruined. Yay. Oh, actually, they look pretty good. I... That is very interesting. You made me watch... One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, Jesus Christ. You made me watch eleven trailers. Yeah. What? Wait, someone said is this an eFab for the trailers because the show isn't out for like three weeks. Yeah. It says in the title it's about the trailers. It's fine. They probably talk about She-Hulk because she's the face of this. Shulk. Shulk and Shulk is what we'll call it. That's the first one you made me watch, because I did not do this voluntarily. Well, yeah, that's probably worth mentioning. Do you watch trailers much? Not at all, really? I'm going to be honest. I just don't watch them. No, every once in a while I might watch a video game trailer. However, movie trailers and show trailers, I do not watch them. Is there a reason for this? Because they're full of lies. They're full of lies. Movie trailers are the modern-day equivalent of if Croesus attacks the Persians, a mighty empire will fall, and you're like, wow, that's not helpful, go away. I mean, yeah. Well, did you watch the end game trailer back in the day? No, I don't think I did. I just don't watch trailers. I'm not interested in them. I am totally cool going into a movie. I'm this way with games, for the most part, to a slightly lesser degree, but I'm fine with just, oh, this is coming out. All right, we'll see what that's like when it's released and I can purchase it or watch it. And it comes out and I watch it and it's got all this stuff in it and I don't have these expectations built up and I'm not taking advantage of and my hopes and dreams aren't crushed as much and things are great. Would you not say they are? Are they advertisements though? They're trying to get you to watch the thing. They're ads. Yeah, that's essentially what trailers are, they're commercials. These are commercials to get you excited in order to get you to watch something or buy something, which is in and of itself not bad at all. I just feel like, especially in terms of the quality, shall we say, of a lot of the things that we've been watching recently. Yes. They have their ability to sucker people in and lure them in. I'm looking at these trailers with this knowledge of watching these shows that we watch, whether it's The Falcon and Winter Soldier, whether it's Kenobi, whether it's all these movies, Multiverse of Madness. I know that you guys are untalented losers. So these trailers, they don't have any, you can't wow me, I guess, because I know you're trying to wow me, but not in the sense. I shook David Copperfield's hand once. I went to Vegas and I went on stage and he did his big magic thing and it was, I went there to be amazed. That was the point. There was no misunderstanding of what was going to happen. Right. And it was incredible. I was legitimately impressed and technically, I guess, it's deception, nudge-wink-wink magic, that sort of thing, but these feel just like the scummy version of that. You think Marvel will not amaze you, but yet will try and claim that they're definitely gonna. If any of these I will leave the door open to the possibility that some of these products will amaze me. However, not in the way that I wish to be amazed. Wait, some people saying like they should link the stream live before it happens more often. Did I do that? I should do that. I never do that. I always just go live. I don't recall you did that. A couple of people have said like, oh, it was nice to see that you put the link out first. It's like, I did. I didn't think I did. I didn't mean to, I'm afraid. I'm sorry. That's just not how we roll, you know. We just go, boom, talking about something. Are you in or are you out? We gobbling you. That's what that's called. Officially. I loved it when Green Goblin stood up and said it's goblin time. I remember that. That's what was my favorite part. I was I witnessed a clip this morning thanks to free actually of Matt Smith at some kind of Comic-Con thing. Probably the SDCC one, right? And then this kid just comes up and he's like, um, Mr. Smith? Yeah, and he's like, it's morbing time. This is like, oh, okay. It shows that the stream is wait, but we're live. It says 255 waiting. Yeah. Wait, what? It shows the right thumbnail. What's going on? It's not actually playing. Yeah, I was wondering. I didn't say anything because I figured you guys were talking. It's like, oh, so the stream is working. Maybe it's a problem for me, but no. Oh, and ads playing now. I'm very, very, very, very confused. I like the idea though that we've had chat there and I just assumed they were live. But apparently they were. Well, that is missed. For all of the you in chat, you've got an extra 10 minutes of gold when this gets re-uploaded to look forward to a good 250 people are privy to chatterings, mostly mine that others will not get. And I thought they were pretty good. So you take that and you cherish it. That will be erased now, won't it? Forever. All the stuff that was in that chat. Well, I guess it'll be on ours. It'll be on mula. It'll be saved. I just realized because the re-upload. Do not you worry chat. It will be saved. Oh, yeah. It'll be there. Hey chat. If you want to get that. We already said a bunch of things. I don't know how much of it needs repeating. But, you know, the main point was just high. The three of us here are just going to chat about things. Things related to it was welcome to hell. Yeah. Well, because I saw loads of people being like they better cover the trailers. And I was like, we never covered. Well, I guess we did. Well, well, you know, nothing in my head. And I was like, I guess we could. There's a lot of them. So we can make a whole episode out of this. Especially because there's loads of meta things to talk about with a lot of these subjects. Yeah. The announcement, everything. The pipeline. Oh, definitely. Yeah, because, you know, to give people a set. This is what we will be going through. This is what I forced Fringian Rags to be aware of at least even though I'm pretty sure Fringian was aware of them all anyway. Because you're a trailer person, aren't you? You watch them. You're like, I do watch trailers. Yeah. Well, we were kind of talking about the nature of trailers. I do. They are ads for the thing and they are meant to be like, please check our thing out. But at the same time, they often are lies and hype generators of a lie. Well, because you'll have there's constructed in the way that especially after moon night and after I wonder if there's something in particular that probably Kenobi, Kenobi and moon night in particular stand out as oh, you lied to me. This isn't at all what you sort of maybe let us to believe this might be. Yeah. There's a fine line, right? If you're making a trailer, it's going to be hard to create something that's two minutes long that is going to be a good representation of what the film is going to be. You know, like it's kind of tough. You're translating depending on the TV show, like six hours of content into two minutes. Maybe the key is to not try too hard which I feel like these trailers are trying very very hard. Absolutely. And that like works and figures out exactly like the pacing and the timing trailers were developed in a laboratory. Probably. And I mean, I probably would develop them in a laboratory if I was like dealing with this level of money. If you were only invested in money and not in like creativity, you know, the narrative. However, I guess with all that said, we could go ahead and say going down the list or we could whatever. What we've got for you today, we're going to talk about She-Hulk, attorney at law. Right. That's Wuhu. Black Panther. Wakanada forever. And then I am Groot. And then actually there's someone else. There's a few other little surprises along the way probably. Shasm. People have been talking about that. Shasm. Black Adam. You know, you know, we're going to let everyone know you know, current up-to-date thoughts on the old andor because that's actually on its way out. I mean, close anyway. And then of course, the rangs of power and House of the Dragon and Dungeons of Dragons, which to me is kind of interesting as a little triplet fantasy. Look at it. It's okay in terms of funding. I guess. Wasn't Sandman another thing? Kind of like a big deal. I guess so. I've got no context for Sandman really at all. So I just I was curious if like, yeah, I didn't really have, oh, and then John Wick 4. That's the idea we got. Right. Yeah, quite a list. So what I'll do, because these trailers are a bit mean and they don't let you, or at least, you know, I could show them on screen, but in the form of pausing is where you've got to be careful, right? With copy-tisms. Want to be able to maintain this screen. Yeah, we are, you know, we had some dramatic news. We're coming to the end of Phase 4 and we all saw it coming because storyline-wise it really does kind of make sense to wrap up here, you know, Thor Love and Thunder, you saw that and you're like, oh, yeah, this is sort of the end of a phase, isn't it? Is that Wait, is it? The end is Wakanda Forever is the last one in Phase 4 when I'm pretty sure before, like, last week, Phase 4 went up to Fantastic Four. They've changed their minds. Like, that's what's happened. They've changed their minds. It's a complete mess. They've created new phases, like, now. And a new saga or whatever. Maybe because, like, Phase 4 has a focus testing group got back to them. They looked through the data and they re-analyzed the human expressions and money potential and they decided, all right, so actually what we're going to do is we're going to do this and that's why they did it. And there's probably very little other reasons. Oh, it's a course correction, I think. I think they know that the response to Phase 4 is not being that great. So they're kind of doing the course correct. I wonder if they got a little bit frustrated because they're like, wait, why does everyone praise this shit when it comes out but then everyone's saying that it sucks overall, that doesn't make sense. Because they have no ability to understand how, like, maybe artworks, actual emotions work, kind of... Well, I mean, that's our theory, right? Like, none of this has any staying power at all, just gets flushed out straight away. Yeah, pretty much. But, like, it's made now to be discarded once it's... Oh, it did its thing, we can move on. It doesn't have any lasting legacy, there's no... Maybe it's best that people just stop talking about it after it's made us the money and we can just move on. The less people remember it, the less we have to worry about. Because when you look back, it's like everyone just... unequivocally, everyone's pretty much on board just saying Phase 2 was easily better than Phase 4 and, like, I wonder sometimes... Oh, I wonder sometimes how much people remember what's even in Phase 2. And I don't mean that to say that the stuff is bad, but just literally do you remember the story of Phase 2 if one was to call it that? Um... I think a lot of people might be like, uh, it's the one... Which one was that? That was come to Age of Ultron. Dude, I can picture them saying, well, it's Iron Man 2, it's... Do you be like, no? No, that's not right, buddy. Try again. Yeah, and then I could see them being like, oh, well, Ant-Man? Right? Is that Phase 2? And then people would go, who? That was, technically, yeah. Oh yeah, can we actually highlight the fact that Ant-Man is about to get his third movie? And, uh, let's just say there are other superheroes in the landscape right now who, um, who aren't doing as good. They cut... No. Like, we don't even talk about Super-Bad. That's what it feels like for Water Brothers right now. We don't even talk about it. Yeah, it's... I mean, even in that landscape, right? You're gonna get a second Shazam movie before you even get, like, another Superman film. Man, you're gonna have three movies in what you could call the pocket universe of Shazam, like... Because that's what Black Adam is, right? Like, it's an extension. He's, like, Shazam's main enemy. So, that's insane. Like, Shazam's just been reliable for them, probably, and they're just like, well, just keep going, I guess. He's, like, the Ant-Man of the DC side, isn't he? What do you mean by that? Yeah, I was about to ask what you actually did mean by that. This franchise is just going on while they're trying to figure everything out and they're just like, oh, well, and then we just, like, take a wider view and it's like, fuck, there's a lot of that compared to everything else. It's, um, I'm not sure, like, how they make their choices when it comes to... Because, like, they're making a Blue Beetle movie and, like, that could be cool, but I don't know how many people know who Blue Beetle is, you know? Like, it's, like, they're making movies for relatively obscure characters. Meanwhile, like, a lot of their main heroes are just kind of languishing. It's really, um, odd. I don't think it's, like, bad necessarily. No. You know, whatever works, works, but, like, it's just bizarre because these are supposed to be, like, home runs, you know? Like, you get a Superman movie out and you're fine, but then they gave it to somebody who, uh, you know... Mm-hmm. Like, it's, uh, yeah, I don't know. Like, it's, it's so, it's so bizarre. The structure of the DCEU is, like, non-existent. That, I mean, they're implying that the MCUs got a really sound structure, you know, informing, like, the stories that they're telling. It is the most un-united, united universe that I've ever seen, really. It's just everyone just putting their own things out there with no level of... I guess they just don't have anyone who says, no, you can't do that. Yeah, I guess that's the problem. One says, no. Well, it seems like Kevin Feige is the one who makes the decisions on that, but I don't think Kevin Feige is really a storyteller. Like, he's a producer. No, sorry, I-I cl- because a producer can be a storyteller. In his case, I think that his approach is that he has high concepts or, like, characters and projects that he'll line up. But as for, like, any story, overarching or even, like, getting into the real intricate details of any given film, like, I don't think he's... I don't know. I don't think he comes up with those ideas. Well, he probably is too busy. And it's not, like, it's not necessarily his job to do that, but it should be somebody's job. And I feel like there's nobody doing that. There's no one guy that you go to who knows where everybody is at every point in time and what stories are happening. Who, like, you ask, hey, can I do this? And then he says yes or no. Not based on making lots of money, but based on the integrity of this story. Does this build a lasting legacy for our company that is more than just a number? Well, yeah. Well, it's funny to compare them as well, because we think Marvel isn't in coherent mass, but at the same time they can pretend like everything is lined up while DC, I don't even know that they can do that. They're just, like... I don't even think they're trying to anymore. Yeah. They just don't have to throw in a reference every once in a while. Just say, like, the book of Ashanti, and some people will be like, oh, yeah, see, it's a cinematic universe. They've mentioned the thing. Jove doesn't even make sense. We'll get there. Why would he say that? We'll get there. Why would he even say that anyway? Surely he understands what she means. We haven't given any context for this. This is just nonsense. Yeah. We'll get to all of it. It's going to be great. The current state, I think it's a lot more apparent at this point that there's panicking going on than would have been previously realized. I think a lot of people will watch these shows, like the Disney Plus ones, and just be like, man, Marvel, they just know what they're doing. Erin's great. But having knowledge, like, no way home was originally supposed to come out before Multiverse of Madness, which would fuck everything up in terms of how everything goes down and what everyone has to say about everything in all of this. You just be like, that already? The fact that Guardians 3 was supposed to be before both of them, right? Or close to it? Well, I think Guardians was never on their timeline, but I think it would be safe to say that Guardians 3 would be out by now. Yeah, like the Suicide Squad got made when that would have been Guardians 3 pretty much. I'd say that would have been made by now. And like the only conclusion anyone's reaching is like, wait, did you just cut off Phase 4? You were just like, fuck it? They did. They absolutely did. Like, Phase 4 used to extend beyond Work on the Forever. It used to include up to, yeah. It seems that they would like to try and be like, Phase 4 is the phase between arcs, if you will. But it's not. It's part of this arc. They're saying it's part of the multiverse saga, so they're even admitting it's part of this arc. But I mean, you're right. Phase 4 is like, what is the overarching story of Phase 4? Like Phase 1 is all leading up to Avengers. Well, they just have nothing to do with each other, really. Someone would be like, ah, it's laying the groundwork for the multiverse. It's like, did Shang-Chi, like what was Shang-Chi about with relation to that? It was just kind of like its own thing. Hey, the rings are sending a message. Oh, yeah. That's right. At the end of the film, the legend of the 10 rings will be revealed in the next film. We're going to learn what the 10 rings are in that film. Mark Brown level. How can you do it? Moon Knight had nothing to do with anything. Like Moon Knight was, and that's, I guess you'd be like, that's fine. You can have story. I mean, like look at comic books, right? Not all comic book stories are like leading to some crazy multiverse. You have like individual stories. But the problem is the stories that are seemingly meant to be leading to something. I don't, I don't see the direction really. I just don't see it. Because there probably wasn't one. They're like figuring it out. Which is why it seems like it's like, get excited for phase 5 which is just, may have meant something at some point, but at this point just seems like an arbitrary line you drew where it could have been anywhere. Um, because nobody knows what the hell's going on in this phase, nor do the people writing it. Which, by the way, if you guys remember, it wasn't long after Black Widow came out that we got like more and more information on how it was made. And I, wasn't that, was it 13 days the script was made in or something like that? Some like that. Some of normally short time. It shows. Well, yeah. I was going to say information has now been confirmed, at least on Multiverse of Madness. That, uh, Waldron was brought in to replace. The writer. Oh, yeah. Michael Waldron's a writer. So he was brought in to replace someone very arbitrarily and quickly. Like they apparently called him and just like, can you do it? If you can do it, do it. His job was to make a script, Multiverse of Madness that like, it was just completely divorced from whatever they had working for them at the time. Which is all stuff you can find as well. The original story that they were going to do. Which involved you know, Mordo from the first film a lot more. It ended with Scarlet Witch becoming Evil. It was about Nightmare and Shumagorath. They were like the main baddies. And it was still going to, I think America Shallow is still supposed to be introduced in it. But you know, it's just a very, very different film. But he was brought in and the first two weeks he spends right in the film. Third week they just like, we're doing it. We're starting it up and they start filming. So he's still not finished but you know, it's there you are. And apparently like not long into it could even be days or maybe weeks. COVID hits and so they have to stop and they stop in the sense of it's scrapped. Like the entire thing is just gone. And so like up to this point when you learned about this, you're like, oof, two weeks you know, 14 days before they start filming. Not great. Not great at all. But then you find out worse than that. The project was scrapped and then he was contacted to say that they managed to find a way, you know, to deal with filming with COVID. And so they're starting up and it's like, oh, well, you know, we need a script and it's just like go and he's the point I'm trying to make is that he was writing it, like from the moment they were filming it. And the funny quote you can get about this is you have him saying when they got to the Illuminati that he has no idea what's going to happen next. Beyond Act 2 in the film, he just doesn't have any fucking clue what's happening. That's a fucking writer. That's a great sign when the writer doesn't even know where the story is going while they're making it, while they're actively producing it. Yeah. And this is a quote from him where he says ultimately it's just a matter of me not knowing what to do with the script. That's bad considering that you need to make a script. That's not the kind of thing you want to hear from your writer? Especially while you're making the film. It's just where their priorities are. Their writing is so low in their priorities. It really is. And this is not how you make films. I'm sorry, this is not how you make movies. I don't know. Mission Impossible Fallout was this strange anomaly that managed to come together while they didn't fully know what that story was going to be. But for every Mission Impossible Fallout, yeah, of course. And I'm sure that there was much more priority on the storytelling anyway while they were trying to figure it out. Whereas here it's like, I don't know, you can't this is not, especially when you're trying to write something that's meant to be setting up future films and stories. Like, come on, you can't make films like that. One thing I think it's interesting to is you said 13 days to write the script for Black Widow, right? We hear that and we're like, holy shit. That's really, really short. And another part of me is like, well, if you took you and maybe a few other people who were talented and locked them in a room for 13 days and they focused 100% on writing out a script and double checking and everything, you think, man, you could probably come up with an amazing story if you really spent that time and you had the talent and you just totally focused. 13 days is a long time to work on a project. I would want a lot more than that. But yeah, like there are plenty of writers out there who I think are reliable enough to be able to actually pull that off. And I think that's why this has ended up this way. There are people industry veterans that probably can churn out like a decent story in that amount of time. And then they're just like we need everything to be done the quickest way possible. And I think other like production elements I don't know, they get respected to have more time while writing is like, you know, to be fair, writing can just be done on the fly, can't it? And then the writers like, yeah, I guess so. The story, the writing is the story. No, yeah, it's insane because you know, they'll know like if we're filming in a city's escape, we need like all the props to be given the time to set up. We need time to get there. We need this that like all these things are concrete while like I genuinely think some people are probably like, you know, three weeks, zero weeks. What's the difference? Just, you know, make a story, whatever. They say stuff. As long as it looks good. So chop chop with those props. Get on with it. A lot of it will be CGI because we can't put like a paper boat down a stream. We have to CGI that. There's a there's a lot of that that just it's depressing to think about. But even then there's probably stuff we don't know about about how like they're told as, you know, props and SFX people that you need to do XYZ and then they're just like, how do we do that? We don't have the time or resources to be able to do it. It's just like well then tell the CG people to do it or something like that. Go down to the dungeon go down to the CGI dungeon and tell all the go and tell them that to add something else to their list before we free them. Open the door to the dungeon and out of pure instinct one of them tries to run like this chain up and falls to the ground. I'm imagining in my head, have you guys seen The Road? Yes. Yeah, you probably know what I'm thinking about. That's the CGI editing dungeon at Disney. Or is like, well, did you put the thing on the thing and do this and do that? Yes, please, it worked all night. Please, food, rations. We need sustenance of some kind. I think that's another aspect. When you have like a group of people making a set it's all very physical. Everyone gets to see it at the time. Like the actors appreciated, the director will appreciate it. They will be seen doing it sort of thing. Meanwhile, like a CG guy is just in a literal dungeon on a computer and so he could be there for like a million years and he could come out and they'll be like, oh, hey, you know, Larry and he's like, hi. Were you? Yeah, like anybody would know. He's got like the beard. What year is it? Sort of thing. And then they'll look at his work and they'll be like, I don't know, some thousands of guys probably did that. Please let my family go. Such a shame. The mouse goes, oh, no. You have to make Shielk. And that's going to be another thing that they're going to try and move around. You know, as the next phase comes in, because it's all very, it feels like it all reacts to current time stuff. And so they'll just be like, how do we solve this problem of looking like shit? And it's like, maybe don't stress the CG artists. And then we'll be like, no, no, no. I mean, like an answer that we can actually do. We'll be like, well, less CG intensive projects. And they'll just be like, no, no. I mean, an answer we can actually do. Yeah, because, I mean, she whole conceptually seems like it was probably never like, you know what I mean? You need a full CG character who looks pretty human like for like three or four hours. And you need to do that in like a year. It seems like conceptually it was probably not the best idea. Or maybe not conceptually, but just from a production standpoint, maybe like it needs to be a movie. The whole the whole thing because I guess we can maybe I don't know if we'll segue that into it because it's her first movie, but I presume that that's what we're doing. Let's do it. The concept being that this is a character who's supposed to be blending in with the real world, so to speak. And yet every time I look at her, I just don't believe you already. That's a really tough. I think it's I think it's a mixed bag. There are some shots where it looks all right. And then there are some shots where it looks real wonky. I'm not sure if I can understand saying that, but at the same time I wonder if it's just the wonky ones that make the fine ones look better because of the fact that they're less wonky. Like ultimately, if it were all the best shots, what would I say? And I feel like I'd still say like this looks a bit awkward and jank. Yeah, I think, well, so something that I think often portrays like, you know, CGI is animation, like when something looks usually that everything looks a little too floaty. I think that's usually the problem more so than something looking too weighty or anything. Yeah. Really unconvincing, not because of like the texture work or anything, but just because the character's not moving in a way that feels right. The layers don't quite move together. The a little bit on that. You're like, oh, the the cycle in the last episode of Kenobi you had the little the little critter and it had the pack on it and the pack and the critter were not moving at the same like trajectory. Yeah, which like two layers that didn't quite match each other. I'm like, oh, that's like, and I could see that being a nightmare level of work that some fucking suit was probably like, get that done in the afternoon. Yeah. And it's like, this is not something I can do in that amount of time. It's like, oh, come on. Dude, 189 you have six and then the ghost to talk to the next person. They would definitely do that meme. Yeah. The villains always do that. Something that I found interesting is that a lot of people have referenced corridor digital talked about it and were sort of running through there like, okay, so like there's YouTube compression that makes it look worse, which is true. And oh, well, you know, like because he's like a you look at Hulk, he doesn't look as much like a human so it's less likely to slip into the uncanny valley. He's got like more visible textures that kind of make it feel more tangible like stubble and wrinkles and stuff like that where she doesn't think like all of these are like fine points to bring up for why it doesn't work, but it doesn't address the fact that people have an instinctually negative reaction, at least a decent amount of people have had an instinctually like you can't really rationalize that away, you know. I would imagine that in some cases YouTube compression might help you because if it sort of makes everything look a bit worse, it sort of tends like it's probably harder to spot bad CGI if you're watching a video at 144p than it's not 4k. That's true, yeah. Well, yeah, it's someone in chat said they're basically saying you're wrong to find uncanny. I don't think they're, no, I think the way that I would explain it is they're explaining why it's uncanny, but it doesn't rectify the fact that it is for a lot of people. Like it doesn't help. You're kind of like explaining because like you're explaining why it's not working without really providing an alternative of it working and you chose to do this, like that's the important part of the conversation. You chose to make this show, you chose to take on this challenge. You could have done something else. Well, you could have done something with I guess you could have done your Disney, you could have done anything else. Never before has a company been more able to do anything else. Well, if anybody could do it, it would be Disney, but yeah, but maybe it's just like a challenge that like the show would need like an X for a year, like in post-production to really, yeah, I don't know, it seems like it wasn't a great idea. Like genuinely from Disney's standpoint, is that even worth it? Like what would it do and it's like it'll make everyone say that she looks a lot better. It's like it just throw it out. Well, yeah, because enough people are going to watch it anyway. And then that's where the benefit of people forgetting actually works. Like is it like, you know, that this can be watched it can maybe provide some extra subscribers. I don't even know if that will be a thing, but whatever. And then, you know, give it a few months and people would just be like, what was she held about again? You'd be like, because this is the thing before we even get into what the trailer has in it the worry with this was immediately like, man, she Hulk already, huh? And we got like some Hulk stories to tell anymore. I guess. Well, my first you'll say that my first note about she Hulk attorney at law is Hulk teaching she Hulk about being green and living that way could be interesting, but we'll probably get 10 minutes of that and then we rush off to plot stuff. I would I would wager that it's like a flashback episode like it'll be it'll be an episode and he won't be in it much like he'll be in that episode. Maybe he'll pop up every now and then and I don't know. Yeah. I don't think they're going to be sparing with him showing up just because of I think costs. It's probably expensive. Yeah, exactly. And to be honest I'm surprised we even got Hulk. I'm surprised they didn't just go on with using Mark Ruffalo. Well, yeah, right? Because that's again, you've you've accepted another cost here because you've got to do that to just give you an idea right like at the end of Shang-Chi because I know I can't remember if we we did talk about this thing when we covered the film right the Mark Ruffalo shows up Yeah, he shows up as non Hulk, which is like kind of like wait what I thought and so hopefully this show will make it clear what the fuck is going on like because I thought the whole idea was he comboed and he's permanently Professor Hulk, but I guess not But no, you can just have the best of both worlds, which by the way yeah, this was my primary issue when I saw this was like man, we've just we've just given up on making Hulk banner like this difficult subject because even Ragnarok seemed to keep it going to some degree. Try to add some fun. Yeah, it's the cool part of the concept of Hulk the docile scientists who like if if anything goes a little too wrong everybody around him is in great danger. It's it's like that's just really potent for storytelling and they just kind of gave it up. They got rid of it it's like making a story about Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and then he's like hi, I'm I'm Dr. Hyde and I'm just things are I figured it out yeah, I figured it out. Yeah, and you're like oh so what do we have left for you you know, it's like I guess you're still part of the team. I know freaking us about it. Do you know about it Rags the cutscene from Infinity War to actually bring all of like actually explain this at least Professor Hulk. I don't think so. He's fighting the giant monster guy which they do in the film and then they have like a conversation where they basically agree to like live and let live like actually work together when you watch Infinity War it makes it makes a lot more sense that that was in there basically because like it feels like this is the payoff we're waiting for that you'll become Hulk inside Veronica and so it's like this armored Hulk at least temporarily which would be really cool visually but I bet what happened was that one of the producers were like yeah but it'll be better for marketing like if we have this wouldn't it be cool if it was a surprise in Endgame it's like yeah that is cool that's how we tell stories that's how we make these decisions really weirdly something I've noticed in these interviews like apparently recently the production audiences that will transmit into money over screens give me an example rags like apparently the Russo brother said that John Favreau apparently was like opposed to Tony dying in Endgame and said like oh you can't do that that'll like devastate people it's like that's because that's John Favreau and he's a fool sure like John Favreau is one of the most like he has a lot of big high-profile like projects he makes a shit ton of money for these corporations absolutely like the way that they make these decisions is so odd like it's so not rooted in thinking about like what makes sense narratively so yeah so little of it is not meta yeah exactly yeah and as for John Favreau I was just going to say real quick like I think if you rewound enough years his reputation is top notch it is like going down the tubes with I would yeah YMS covering Lion King is making it impossibly difficult not to be like incredibly critical seasons of Mandalorian yeah I was going to say like obviously anybody watches EFAP's coverage of Mando we are dramatically unimpressed with anybody who wrote on that show and is proud of that show I'm pretty sure you had like some level of a hand in Boba Fett right I think so I think it was executive producer and uh yeah so you know having made Iron Man and um some other fun stuff only goes so far especially because there's that old adage you're only good as your latest stuff right something like that um yeah he was the adage but I'm vaguely familiar with it something like that I don't know Book of Boba Fett was created by John Favreau he was one of the executive producers yeah Dave Filoni Robert Rodriguez Mike Kennedy and Colin Wilson Hey Kathleen there's your explanation for why it's shit well yeah and you know if now they say like oh you know this next project doesn't matter what it is is helmed entirely written directed by John Favreau I'd be like okay it's gonna be bad I don't I'd like to believe he's still capable of pushing out something because like you watch the production of Iron Man that is one passionate artist trying to make something work I don't know if at this point you sort of just go on with the motions what happened to your yeah because like it's really it may sound harsh but just watching the behind the scenes for the Lion King seriously what happened to him what a shame but you know anyway this is coming back to the Hulk this is what I was annoyed at I was I was like all of that strong because I think Avengers really fucking set the bar to be too high that no other like I think that's the Hulk's best film the fact that is the Hulk's best film for sure we bring him in as being terrifying in the scene with Black Widow but the he reveals to us almost there's like I've got all this fully under control do you really think I don't like I've been doing this for a bazillion years and I enjoy the fact that you're all lying to me all the time like you all treat me by an X way try and make it sound like someone else being just like you know you're all judging me you're all on egg shells around me all the time it was one of the reasons why you like hanging out with Tony so much is like the first person who treated him like a normal person and as the film progresses everyone does have the shifty eyes here and there and as the audience I think you're even sort of just like he is the Hulk so they're probably going to do that payoff at some point and then everyone like is fighting you got the influence from the mind stone and it starts to the stress levels are pushed up and up and up and then the place gets hit with the explosive and he's like struggling on the floor while his skin is starting to go green like oh fuck and they make that a horror scene while yeah while Black Widow is like trapped under debris as well and he's just rage it's not like he wants to kill her personally he's just angry which is the Hulk you know I don't I don't mean that to appeal to a source I just mean that that's what we've the sports been set in the MCU at that point even you know considering the incredible Hulk as a film and yeah and then you know it's about that film just says as long as we direct his rage vaguely he can be incredibly beneficial it's like good that's a good start now where are we going and that feels like the last time we had a really coherent sort of storyline for him yeah and I think I think we mentioned it before but I think Edward Norton would have fought harder for Hulk yeah he would have fought harder for that character to be like more of a presence whereas what happened was he essentially just became like a secondary character he's the after forgotten Avenger yeah no I think even Endgame kind of like admitted that when they have their shots full Iron Man and Cap it's like there was another one guys yeah it was Hulk was part of it too but I guess like I guess Mark Ruffalo's like chill with it he's just goes like that's fine I guess for like in terms of like he doesn't you know it's just lame that Hulk kind of there's so many great stories that you can tell with that character and I kind of get the sense that this is probably the end for him oh yeah there's people who are saying that he's going to die in this show I don't think he's going to die I don't think he's going to die I didn't think he'll take over I would expect him to get farmed for what he's doing right now which is that he just shows up and people go ooh Hulk and that's that's it yeah he's more of a plot device than a character and he's sort of been that way for a couple movies you know how this trailer literally starts with him going like I'm going to scare you to wake up you feeling any feelings of rage I'm just like man we really did make it a joke didn't we like seriously at all look all right I am glad sometimes on twitter I saw on twitter like a hundred thousand plus likes on a tweet that was just pointing out how categorically downgraded Hulk has been that's where he was we were all just getting done talking about how Thor's been categorically fucked completely that's just nice that people have recognized at least with Hulk it's like what happened to you well it's kind of funny if you look at them right like which is worse right now who's in a worse state Hulk or Thor would you say uh Thor Hulk is just like thin the Thor is damaged yeah Hulk is Hulk wow all right um Hulk has been Hulk has been able to sort of come out on top in this partially because of a lack of screen time which is it seems to be amazing it's a blessing in disguise yeah for as Thor has just been completely he already had a pretty tumultuous path and then love and thunder hits and you're just like there's just you're just a shell of a thing of a creature like what even are you well how do you say that they've repaid his arm as well I always felt they would do that because like you want a lasting thing from the snaps so it means something forever but at the same time they want the Hulk back so exactly yeah we don't want him with a you know bad arm fuck that I assumed it would just get better eventually I don't know I thought I thought it would be scarred permanently it would always have like that mark I would sell for that would eventually yeah that's what I assume they're going for it's abandoned it's abandoned yeah yeah maybe they forgot in game happened well because if you don't for if you don't know right because I've seen screenshots of it so I guess it's confirmed at this point but they get into a car crash he hits his head as banner and he starts bleeding she's got a cut on her arm his head like rests on her arm temporarily his blood goes into her blood she becomes she Hulk that's how that's how it works I think in the comics it was an emergency blood transfusion because she got into a car crash and like that was the only thing they could do to save her life which I think is more interesting as a choice like in order to save your life I'm going to commit you in a sense to like this which you might I take issues with both for the wider implications but I way prefer the Bruce has to choose give her blood transfusion now to save her but you don't know what that's going to do to her or let her die like I think that's way more interesting exactly how does Hulk bleed so is Banner yeah but Banner shot himself in the mouth and the other guy spit it out but they didn't want that film well there's a couple of problems like first of all why is he Banner and not Hulk I wonder if they'll explain that secondly does the Hulk can the Hulk come back out and if not like so he was just easy could have died there I guess but then the Hulk is back here so I don't know how even further flashback when they just and they know each other from that I got no clue exactly what what they're planning obviously it doesn't necessarily not make any sense at all yet but we end up saying that a lot when we watch these trailers but also just that if giving even a bit of your blood to someone can make them a Hulk which this show is confirmed but I wish it hadn't but it just makes you bigger stronger faster more durable more endurance but it makes you green I think there's plenty of people on earth will be like yeah I'll take it well it's kind of the because from what I understand kind of like the stick with she Hulk is that she likes being like a Hulk yeah like she finds it really cool and empowering and and the thing is is as presented here like yeah it's it seems like a categorical improvement like you can just on a whim become like stronger and faster and like yeah it seems like that whereas in the case of Hulk traditionally it's like well it's kind of like a curse really a horrible horrible case that it's not you like it's used to be treated yet it was treated with a lot of like fear and like oh shit like this is really bad it was means why they start off the trailer with a joke haha that's this one freeing just brought up like there is a line that Joss Whedon put into Avengers where Bruce admits to trying to kill himself because of this yeah that's not a joke like this that's like oh shit yeah and he tried to help other people he was good until he dragged me back into the screen oh god best Hulk movie ever and it'll never be that way again not fair and yeah so like that's all gone and it has greater implications when you remove that because why hasn't Bruce looked into this if it can do this yeah he's a scientist like well this is this is like character crap that gets in the way of a story that we want to tell instead crap yeah this is all gonna be fun and games but it's like dude you're holding on to what could be the greatest cure for everything ever I don't know what it means to be a Hulk exactly but it does seem as though condons are hoarding that well yeah they everyone at this point haha look around you the fucking if everyone knew that doctor strange had access at one point to a book that could do anything for anyone ever and then Thor is like oh yeah eternity it's like no what no what's that these like oh uh nothing nothing at all haha it was just a crazy fever dream and I don't even know if it really happens haha do you guys know Jane was at Thor from I need that scene where everyone comes to the the shawarma place and just talks about absolute insane antics they've been on yeah just like what have you been up to is like you don't want to fucking try to kill everything like everything everything you know I was like in the Thor because like Shang Chi is there and he's like you guys are not going to be able to beat my story I've got like this giant ghostly demon creature from another dimension that I and then the other person's like yeah well you know whole multiverse so does your story really beat mine and he's like I guess not yeah okay I have got some notes for She-Hulk here we I guess maybe if we're gonna go through these these ended up being in sort of chronological order but yeah so if we need commentary I've got some stuff because we were talking about Hulk and his slide into a relevancy yeah and because my second note is she's just going to be better than him in every way she's yeah they already more agile very much she's just better than him all the tests he gives yeah he's jealous that she nails the entire test instantly and he's even sad because it means he can't spend more time with her which is just like oh well that's a character crap that gets in the way of the story we want to tell well yeah imagine he was more of a ruthless trainer like he was like this is no fucking joke like you have the kind of power that if used improperly can hit people and like you know that it worked out for me basically because miracles sequentially this is nothing to take lightly this is not a joke that we start the show trailer with this is very serious that's why we're on this deserted island or whatever so that if you hold out you don't kill anyone it would seem that the time for this show is like very calm aha well yeah like because he's like are you feeling any rage and she's like no normal rage it's like he he he even though one of the times where you were forced to rage out you killed a bunch of people yeah I guess he's just gotten over that yeah we everyone seems like they don't even remember it to get over it Fringy Age of Ultron is a bad movie but that is a pretty good part of that movie that is a good part of that movie because remember when bad movies used to have good things in them yeah I remember that that was nice that was nice the third note I have is that breaking the fourth wall and acknowledging it is really odd she does that in the comics so I'm assuming they're gonna try and bring it to the screen I don't know how well this is gonna work out well I think it doesn't happen again in the trailer I don't think it does once yeah yeah I'm imagining it's probably gonna happen pretty often actually that's strange well I mean it's neutral it's nothing it could be good or bad depending on how you use these tools yeah Kevin's basically doing it in House of Cards that was a really cool flourish because I think people would contextualize it as he's breaking the fourth wall in the sense that he believes he has an audience and he's talking to it but a lot of the time it can just be interpreted as he wants to it's like a personal journal in a sense because I get the impression that this is gonna again look all right yeah she did it first there's that's the acknowledgement that it seems like you have to make sure so that nobody thinks you're saying that they stole it from Deadpool Deadpool the film did come out before this show and it's like the film that was making fun of superhero films and I think Deadpool has the advantage of it wasn't actually part of like the MCU this is so it's like you're kind of poking fun at something that you're a part of and like partly propagating you know yeah like when Deadpool's making fun of superhero films it's kind of like I'm using in that film because it's like so much clearly like this film exists in reaction to like the trends of superhero stuff whereas this is like the Marvel thing another Marvel thing for a service that they want you to subscribe to so like I'm not sure how much the meta will like aid in these fourth wall breaks but I guess we'll have to see and I will admit this is unfair but like Ryan Reynolds has been almost doing it well before even Deadpool I don't mean the character Deadpool I even mean like what feels like fourth wall breaks like he's constantly meta referencing it's what people get pissed off by as well with him but I don't know yeah exactly Wade Wilson as a character and the stuff that he did it all felt like it fit a lot more than what I think this might do but I'll happily give it a shot you know let's see what they can do with it yeah exactly yeah it might not be terrible yeah I was kind of thrown by the quote being a hulk asks for balance just that I guess we've already skipped to the idea that a hulk is a thing as opposed to let him in just like the characterization of Hulk kind of like yeah like Thor a little bit a little it's not as bad as Thor at all like I can understand why this could this could happen a lot more easily but because it's like a genetic thing that happens and then you go green and strong it's like because do they give a reason for why he was cold Hulk in the original film I don't know I cannot remember I imagine it's because he's hulking right like he's a hulking mass you can kind of infer why that would have happened it just you know I would have been curious just because like it's a hulk you know just it just feels so casual and just like we can we at the point where we think that maybe we could create more of them I don't know I guess I guess the category seems to follow at this point now it makes more sense to me that Hulk would be a category compared to Thor like Thor is a guy's name whereas like I don't think that one makes sense at all identical attributes to like an entity you know I think what I'm getting stuck on a little bit is that he's been going by Hulk as the name of his alter ego big green guy for so long and the second this happens like you are a hulk as opposed to you have you know that's where his brain would go first as opposed to you have because she's not even you know she's not even huge if you know what I mean she's she's bigger in the same way someone would say that there's a darkness inside of you or something like that that's fine yeah she my next note is that I wonder how I guess you go ahead and you finish the well because the nature of the trailer right like we were talking about how it it seems like we don't know if it'll be a flat it's kind of reminds me of Boba Fett we were trying to we were trying to figure out will it be a flashback or the opening of an episode that he escapes the saw like pit or will they not show it at all I think we opted that we would I can't remember what we said we would do but I can't remember this what we said we do yeah this show it could be that it starts that she's doing lawyer stuff and then it's like how did this all happen then we go do do do do do do do I know you how I got you yeah like I bet you're wondering why me me me and there'll be quirky music do do do do do do do so something that I'm this is going to be a show about a lawyer in the MCU that's like there's a lot you can seemingly specifically oriented around superhero related like law cases that's a great idea and I'm have no confidence that they're going to oh fringy interesting aspects of it my next pair of notes back to back I imagine there will be very little actual legal stuff in this show instead yeah it'll be bad CGI and action scenes and we're so yeah because a lot of people are saying dead or so the thing the dead ever was that usually what is more so a thing with him is how does his secret identity how does his like superhero stuff how does that like factor into whatever he's like working on right now as a case so like it's a little bit different I guess in terms of the exploration here it's more so like what are the legal implications of like superheroes I've said it a few times because I think it's a clear example of this what if you had a case where a guy killed someone and he claims it was in self-defense but he's got like super soldier serenity so it's like what is reasonable fear for your life mean if like you're super duper strong like how do we how do we how do we make determinations about like your like your intentions what you could reasonably do or what you reasonably thought if like you're not quite a normal person like there's something really cool there that you could explore I don't think they will I don't think they'll they'll explore like the interesting legal ramifications that may come from like just normal things happening but like with superheroes and superhuman people like involved I mean yeah because you get a sense maybe for a moment like oh we doing world building it's like not really it's just like container for allowing she Hulk to happen which you know she's an attorney at law that's gonna be the thing and like the you know they show an example where she's probably doing a case for like five seconds with like actual lawyer speak they probably got one guy to just be like say this this and then you know suddenly an enemy burst in the room and she has to beat them with her she Hulk powers like right yeah and I bet she they won't be like you know what I think we're gonna have to like restart this court case like we need to restart like we have to do it over again this is like a massive interruption you know if you want to reference a little bit further on but like fuck me the whole like the idea in this storyline that they've made seem like it's gonna be a big portion of it maybe it is that she'll be representing abomination which she shouldn't be able to do no and they but the show mentions it in the trailer and they just moved past it that's a conflict of interest and they're just like oh yeah whatever it's like no not whatever that's a big deal but we don't care like it's all gonna be just for jokes I don't know yeah it's not fair because like this this shit this is the kind of repercussions you should have had with the accords like as soon as anything like that was being done it's like oh this will have ripple effects and like this is those little liners like you know more and more superheroes are showing up and it's just like wait is that how we're doing it now they just they're just around fuck it what I'm gonna do I just around and like nobody seems to like care anymore like imagine if you're going into court and like the lawyer who's opposite you is like a superhero like you know what I mean like could you imagine if they're like you know what I feel like very intimidated like I don't like this um and then try and see like if that can help that's what I mean they're not exploring any like interesting aspects of like this character existing well maybe we will you know what maybe maybe I'm not confident a couple little mentions of it here and there just sprinkled in without any actual work towards exploring them will probably be enough and then they'll be like yep we tackled that we have I mean the next note I have is that there's a there's a part in the trailer where she says that there's a conflict of interest because like the I guess you didn't hear that part where we talked about that yep are you fucking with me nope we just talked about all that damn it be a lampshading it would be the conclusion on that one which is not going to change shit about how badly written this is it made me think of Fringy when when she said that oh yeah he would cry Fringy is not going to like that yeah I didn't it's really annoying like no it's fine you just hand away that's fine don't worry about it uh the I've got yeah we sort of touched on it earlier I'm kind of shocked that they referenced the book of is it Vishanti or Ashanti Vishanti I'm kind of shocked they referenced the book of Vishanti yeah doesn't even make sense like Wong knows it's destroyed why would she be doing things by the book of the destroyed book she's probably never heard of and also she's a lawyer so of course she's talking about the law like what I would I would have argued straight away that that's just a line that can't make any sense why are they treating Wong like he's an alien who only knows about sorcery it's like you know he's a guy he's he lives on yeah like this he's not stupid she's like oh yeah we do things by the book and he's like ah yes the book of Vishanti a book that nobody could access and was recently destroyed forever why even make the joke and it's like well because there's because that's a that's that was in his movie book of the following on jokes she says no I mean the book of American laws like it's a really awkward quirky thing that she doesn't know how to call it surely in law school there's some sort of I was like she was so blindsided by such a stupid thing that like when she said we're doing she thought that he like understood that what she meant was doing things according to the law like yeah like this guy's dumb the sorcerer supreme is really stupid that's not good it's not meant to be dumb at all like he's pretty smart yeah but he is in a marvel except for that time when he like basically admitted to wonder that there was another like source for the dark old powers there's a there's a lot of dumb shit he did in Maldives man is thinking about yeah this is less they reference better that true is a set during the white that doesn't make that white how does that make sense though if this is how if Bruce had an arm in a sling yeah this is post endgame because he's got the sling post endgame yeah yeah I think so um I have no more notes for She-Hulk attorney at law well I mean really do you not you have nothing to say about Daredevil I I don't know much about Daredevil as a character I assume that's him with the two sticks at the end but his involvement in this show it's apparently not worried yeah of course I'm worried I'm worried about everything that they're doing for that character going forward apparently his involvement in the show is not small either oh really yeah um I I get something so like when we see him jumping in and he's he looks like he's wearing something that's approximating like the original yellow suit and when I see that and it's like yeah and you'll have the red suit in your show because merchandise oh my god like you just start thinking about the implications do you think that a blind superhero cares that much about the color of his shirt I guess I guess you probably would if it's to blend in and be dark well I mean it's all it's all part of a look right yeah and it's all yes it's color by his dad as well right let's just have a color like there's a lot behind it yeah yeah there's there's a lot informing it um but I guess like devil red daredevil red sort of makes you know um um I'm sure Charlie Cox is just like whoo dead devils come back like the problem is you're not being handled by the same people which I I I'm pretty sure I imagine he's like aware of that I I um I guess the hope will be that even amidst like the the structure of the mc he'll be able to fight for that character I hope so man this shot she looks like she's been dragged in photoshop just extended up you know what I mean oh yeah I know what you mean it looks yeah he's just greeting car I mean they don't look great either rolling around wow he's doing some crazy jumps like um I'm I'm not sure that he should be doing that he's crazy like 10 foot high that again like he does like sort of swinging around with his um like his batons he uses them to like swing around stuff in the comics so maybe that's what they're doing can he beat her does he have any possible way of defeating she don't know no he's a normal guy like he's just a regular person okay because so he's normal except for his like super sense of yeah he's got the sense which is like the thing that he basically developed after he was blinded to help him see things but I mean there's downsides to that he can't see screens for instance it's like it's there are a lot of ways that it's an improvement but there are these sort of small like caveats as well because how as as Frank Miller said how many superheroes are defined by what they can't do dead oval is fucking awesome and I so worry about what they're going to do with him I wonder if yeah I imagine so um it's going to be anything significant or if they're just going to try and keep it really low because they don't know what they're doing with did devil yet probably if that would be my guess that like you think they were testing the waters with him and spider-man um I think that they always knew that bringing him back would be like a smart idea because it's it was the show that everybody liked like it was the Netflix show that everybody liked um and and dead oval is a relatively known character so like it was probably always inevitable but as for like an 18 episode television show I don't know that that was like you know what I mean like they might not have known and and so then you have like that writing style just like you don't I don't know you don't know where it's going so I guess take it easy but then again nobody really writes that way in the MCU so who knows what they're going to do you know the whole like we're starting up a division you're going to be the face of it I wonder if the as the plot goes on it'll be more of a she realizes it's not at all for her talents it's just a PR thing well I mean you'd figure that she would kind of clue that as a possibility straight away right she's like I just think that maybe there'll be a payoff right that she eventually wins a really difficult case and they're like you know what you are good at your job wow she is a good lawyer and that one like the scene in the trailer she has like a corner office which means that she's probably like doing quite well with that firm yeah theoretically it could be as almost like a semi symbolic sort of well you're the face of us here you go he's a nice office but she didn't do anything maybe she limits like oh I'm I'm trapped in this golden cage you know I just nice office I wonder if the arc will actually be like not as because even that feels like a little bit too much right I wonder if the arc is as simple as I was self-conscious about being she Hulk but now I like being she Hulk like I wonder if it's going to be that simple I'm almost certain that if I was going to gamble that's probably what I would go with because that you've got parts in the trailer where she seems to be walking around kind of like nervously but then you've got like parts where she's going to these gallows like getting a whole bunch of photos taken of her and yeah I get the impression that that might be like the arc it seems like a very timely message you know like the don't be shamed if you are and I think that Disney will definitely lean into that and to the point where it'll be the primary aspect of you know I guess I know that earlier I was saying that I think maybe like from a production standpoint the project wasn't super like feasible but as for the character I think that there's plenty you can do with the concept absolutely I don't know that I find it as like innately interesting as Hulk but I think that it's got a lot of potential especially if you explore the legal aspects of like the Marvel universe and how things would change based on superheroes it's not like a doomed concept at all I think that you can do a lot of it I do think it will be a world-building disaster though probably as all MCU things do and we'll sort of get into this a little bit with another trailer that we watched but legal politics and office that sort of stuff it really benefits greatly from being you being talented at it you know it's one of those it's really bad if it's done well and you have to put a lot of work into it and you know the legal system is complicated and there's a lot going on and you have a lot of competition and you will be compared to a lot of things so who knows I just feel like they're setting themselves up for doing something they can't handle much like another project that we will talk about as we get there oh yes another quote from the trailer I thought was weird was so Wong says Ms. Walters we answer to a higher power I don't have no idea what he's talking about and then he says we're on the edge as well which is funny of course all the time there's always some universe-ending multiverse cataclysm it's kind of boring I don't really care at this point but yeah the higher power thing I assumed that he meant just like magic in general but like has he got he would have in less context than her for dealing with all of this right he's what's he gonna what's he gonna tell her like oh I don't know like I'm trying to envision what that scene could even be about I guess just be careful I don't know I could imagine that that line might even be a trailer line it seems like his thing is with abomination like that's what Wong is up to he's dealing with abomination stuff and so maybe he brings that case to her and yeah when he says the edge of a precipice he could be referring to just like public relations for I was about to say mutants special people yeah I don't know is there so many now that what do they refer to them as like eccentric superheroes of the thing enhanced individuals oh is that it yeah okay okay um but yeah that's that's where we're at there's just stuff going on all over the place at all time I'm surprised the planet is still intact yeah at this point that there's even an economy like a functioning yeah yeah how can a civilization exist with all of these things happening in the multiple layers and we're gonna explore could you imagine if one of the cases that she'd like imagine if there was a case or something where like she hope essentially there's like some hyper prejudice law that like gets evoked um that is like curtailing you know the the rights of like people who've got superpowers and even like even like the most mundane of abilities but like that gives the government like this insane amount of power to like you know persecute like superhero people and then she's like nah I don't like this like I'm gonna take this on and try and could you imagine if you explored like the real legal ramifications of like superheroes in there or like imagine if she had a case that related to the accords could you imagine that that's never gonna happen we forgot about the accords very well it's funny we say we've got the blip has been forgotten so yeah the accords of course being forgotten I don't know someone lost their house or something because of shenanigans during the blip when they disappeared and she's trying to help them like get their home yeah the bank the bank said oh you don't have any income in the last five years and they're like yeah five years and then they're like you like isn't your brother Falcon and she's like it's just it would be cool if we did that but I get the impression will be a lot more shallow than that which is absolutely like I said they'll pay lip service to it a couple times and that'll be it that'll be enough and the important part would be it doesn't need to be shallow because it's a comedy that's a stupid way of thinking about it you can still be a comedy and meaningfully explore these topics yeah especially after we're off the heels of love and thunder and the comedy drama is the failure to distinguish between the two and separate them it's kind of like get away from it fun stuff she helped for this well yeah so I guess the only other thing to say is what what is what what are you each feeling about even watching it at all dad I don't care probably watch it if we end up watching it of course watch it with y'all but I don't personally care I don't have any particular interest in the show did that was a reason why I want to see it I also want to see it out of curiosity just in general I don't know why I'm curious give it a look we'll give it a watch in a sense this could end up being one of the less conventional shows that they make and that alone might be like what does that look like when I mean I say really curiosity but I don't know well I guess we'll go through it how many episodes is it supposed to be nine episodes but it's like half an hour they're getting longer now it's amazing half an hour each like not well I mean then again the hour long ones often had episodes of like 30 minutes so I don't even know what that means really but I think it's like a half hour show so it might be shorter so I would say that out of all the trailer we're going to look at is the one I had the most to say about okay I think you're probably right yeah actually I was just thinking for myself I don't know about you guys oh I was looking through my notes and it had the most sort of written out notes a lot of it we just naturally touched upon but I think that is yeah I think so I think you might be right well maybe maybe there'll be something to say about like Black Adam or Shazam we'll see yeah next up is Black Panther Wakanda Forever which Wakanda Forever before we even knew anything about this film we knew it was having a real bad production time yeah certainly it's funny to say right I'm like the script was having just like really really a marvel a new marvel thing the script is having trouble it's like yeah I know right we're at the point where they're writing it for the first like lines of the script while filming is there anything worse than that wow it's like I don't know really so what does it say film what's from saying what happened with MOM is that they had the three or two weeks which is three weeks which is short into two weeks and then it got scrapped and then they just had to write it as they were filming so they essentially told the production team was told you're going to film here here and here and these sorts of scenes get started on those we'll write why this is happening here I think so I think that at this point they have set pieces and then dialogue is mainly what the right is supposed to do that's insane it really is like they knew that they were going to have an Illuminati battle but as for how they got there exactly yeah which is amusing to listen to them talk about like their fun fun ideas with the Illuminati when like to this day people don't even know if they were supposed to be portrayed as good or evil which I think they were supposed to be good it was just incompetent yep I think so too as if you're going to try and evoke like the the wisdom of Charles Xavier also being like no he's evil though nice so anyway yeah this film, broad strokes we assume it's main goal is to try and move on from well appreciate but move on from the in-universe death of T'Challa they made the decision pretty much instantly they weren't going to recast him that was probably the correct move I don't know I think I wonder if there's because it's kind of like it's the difficulty of you may want to keep the character like keep the character around and keep telling stories with the character but at the same time I think I think with regard to the film anyway a lot of it is tethered to Chadwick Boseman and so like in that sense it's kind of like it's tricky I think I'm not sure what I would do if I was given the choice like whether to recast the character or have the character have the mantle moved on to like and then just sort of yeah I don't know I'm not sure what I would do I guess the first thing we have to get out of the way of course if we don't like it we will be racist now we said that I think it's very strange that this trailer is I don't know it's an odd one it's an odd trailer but I think it's like it's kind of like the first half is more it's almost like a eulogy almost yeah I assume yeah a lot of it is probably scenes from the funeral that will probably be near the beginning of the plotline and then the second half is kind of like oh but this is still a trailer that needs to market like the like we actually pretty much shoving all the marketing stuff typically that you need well I would argue what this trailer benefits from is limited dialogue and so we get to just think about what might be in it yeah and you know the she-hull trailer a lot of the criticism comes from the dialogue it's like oh look at this tonally or look at what they why would they say this or what does this mean but this trailer is more so we just get to think about what the events might be yeah well and I mean I guess in terms of like what those events might be this feels like another film that's going to cause damage world-building wise because oh there was an ancient civilization like underwater just never got involved in anything like oh I've got that on my notes I already since massive world-building issues I wrote down I mean of course all these places I think they've changed the name it's now named after like an Aztec city because like it's it's much more like American influence now than I think it is in the comics which is kind I think that's cool I like it too I really think that there's a really cool aesthetic there we explored we don't see often and I do have a note saying people writing whales what is this avatar shit well so it looked like Namor's throne was like megalodon Jaws which is kind of cool yeah but like that's all I have for it right it's kind of cool visually but as for like any speculation I then I don't know anything about Namor really or like Atlantis and anything their relation to Wakanda it's all very like this this could all just be anything I don't know what we're dealing with like yeah it's not very substantive it's very much well practically trying to put out a vibe I guess it seems like the broad strokes is Wakanda is going to go to war with I guess we'll just keep calling them Atlantians like until no exactly and meanwhile we'll be figuring out who's going to take on the mantle and it's probably Shuri though maybe that'll change now it wouldn't surprise me if that changed now yeah I thought it was we know because of matter of information right like what's going to happen I don't think we know I think it's just that like there's a reason to believe that because I think this it's in Baku right Winston Duke that that might be the guy though admittedly I always figured it made a bit more sense because I thought based on Civil War that Black Panther and King were not the same thing right there was the king and then there was a Black Panther and in the case of T'Challa it ended up that he was both and so like part of my thinking there was well so it could be anyone it's like what about Lupita Nwongo's like character she was like a fighter like she could be Black Panther and then maybe Shuri takes on like the mantle Queen or something afterward right like I another part of the confusion is the how the succession works and the trial by combat stuff like so yeah are we doing that again or are they going to throw that out because it was crazy I don't think I don't think we're going to do that again that was such a huge mistake Tim's it seems like um like uh queen um uh Angela Bassett like that she's just going to be the queen now like she will be the head of staff and I doubt she won a fucking trial by combat to do so like I all that she'll be challenged yeah it's probably just yeah she just you know exactly um but you know the end of this movie is probably going to be like a new uh leader I wonder how it will be picked is it just a political thing or is it more than that is it going to be they got a fight who knows that's the thing who knows exactly how they picked the leader and yeah of course Namel's Namel's one of like the oldest Marvel characters isn't he he is one of the oldest I think I don't think he predates Aquaman am I he might I'm pretty sure that he is like he's much older than like Captain America and stuff I think Gary said oh wait no sorry not Captain America he's I think he is older than Captain America though Namor is 1939 fucking hell Captain America was like 1940 wasn't he so he might actually be older yeah who's the first Marvel character first appearance was in 1941 yeah I was so it wasn't I think Marvel because Marvel like formed because there were different companies before and then then Marvel came about so like it's hard I'm not sure I don't know everyone's saying uh he's older than Aquaman wait Namel was the first really so literally the first ever Marvel issue oh okay wow that's neat yeah it says that the human torch is popularly considered to be the first ever Marvel superhero uh the first debut was in Marvel Comics number one 1939 it says that um it says that Namor debuted in that one I think they kind of joined it or maybe yeah which one was in the panel first I probably yeah probably I um I haven't I some of these notes are just observations that are odd um it's strange that we see someone elephant tusks is earrings uh that just strikes me as an odd thing uh it is weird it's I'm I'll just say this it's weird to see an umbilical coordinate Disney trailer yeah I mean you know it's probably allowed by the senses I guess I guess it seems odd I have a feeling that yeah it's the I don't know if you know the answer it's the dealio with Namor is he because like the he's an anti hero I think I don't mean that I meant like species because there's like the blue people but I'm guessing the blue people are what I think it's just I think he's a mutant right isn't Namor a mutant I think I think he is um what does it say on Leol Wikipedia it says that he's an Atlantean mute human mutant hybrid I'm assuming he can go he can walk in both worlds oh yeah I mean I mean we see him do that in the trailer right like yeah he's uh he's like Aquaman well Aquaman's like Namor rather which by the way Namor is a better name than Aquaman of course it's better name than Aquaman Namor is absolutely a better name Aquaman is almost like part of the just meme quality of it um someone posted this which I do not like oh yeah that's the um that's the controversy that happened they promoted the films trailer on Chadwick Cosman's twitter account which it's not the first time we've had this happen it's really yeah it's really like I don't like it yeah um we've done stuff with Stan Lee's uh twitter account right yeah yeah the NFTs wasn't it oh god see that to me is worse of course yeah because like at least this is tatted to him yeah like it's tatted because I mean the film is probably gonna be dedicated I mean almost certainly dedicated to him yeah um but but I think that this will probably have among the worst combat uh because they have to try and account for tribal level weaponry and spears and things while also there was some pretty crazy technology that we saw as well in terms of ships flying around and guns and stuff so I imagine the action they're not going to be able to take into account these different things in the fights we'll have a similar problem this is the thing the first one one of the most overrated films in like history the reality is that like Wakanda and Black Panther it's a really cool high concept it's a challenging one though like from a world building perspective there's a lot to try and account for it's really cool though yeah absolutely it's I mean it's the same here like like there's a lot of stuff visually that I like here of like all of the like sort of designs and stuff featuring in the Atlanteans and I mean on a surface level I like a good amount of the Wakanda stuff visually I think a lot of work went into making this look very visually appealing and interesting more so than probably any of these other trailers I might even say it's got more of a yeah it's got more of a unique look to it there seems to be some level of art to it it does feel like cringe yeah this trailer feels less cringe it looks like there's some level of caring that went into this I think so I think when given the nature of like this film the fact that you're trying to make a film that follows on from a character who is played by a great actor and like a character and an actor who is very associated with that character in popular culture it's like and then to have to try and like make this film after that yeah probably like a really big challenge that demands a level of care I guess how much have we had something similar to this since Carrie Fisher died I guess this is a similar example I suppose this is someone in the vein yeah that's another way to do it to take previously filmed scenes and chop them into a new movie which I still don't feel comfortable about yeah I think the rise of Skywalker did it the wrong way just find out the wrong way there was a time when we hypothesized will the rise of Skywalker open with way his funeral has died in between movies well it would have been an excuse to run a funeral for all three of them the grand funeral about the heroes of you know but no they don't do that yeah cause Han's a loser he forgot about Luke yeah that portion of this movie is probably gonna be like really good I can't see how they would screw that up I agree probably not be very dialogue heavy that'll be the thing that will probably derail the film yeah the Atlanteans and all that shit coming in is gonna get really weird but I do think yeah the funerary aspect of it there is a level of meta reverence that they recognize and know that they need to treat well and I'm sure but yeah absolutely probably their friend like they would have known him so like I said this looks like they care this is the trailer that looks like they care also somebody just mentioned it in chat and I just want to bolster it cause they said TLJ still has the best layer death scene but then they had to Mary Poppins it all up I remember thinking in the cinema there is a chance here that that was it for Leia she got fucking killed by her son and it's so sudden and she's out of the fucking trilogy already and that there's bulls to that decision kind of but then but then then the scene happened that what I watched it with a friend he fucking lost his mind I believe that was happening that was a scene that's split a lot of people some people thought it was incredible some people thought it was nothing and then some people thought it was the most hilarious bullshit they'd ever seen I think that was I was just in shock like what am I watching what's happening I think that would have been my reaction as well like what same feeling I had when I walked out of the theater just confusion what was that oh and that's funny to remember that scene is where Akbar died but like nobody cares you see the the little red arrows like there he goes bye bye for you I don't really have as much no I don't either the shortest for me I have it looks like short animations for kids and it will likely have the best dialogue in the recent MCU oh wait what prime group oh okay all right but you know what you probably summarized yeah that's there you go we've done our conversation I'm rude now in the middle of black because the other thing yeah we're kind of forever interesting I was gonna say like yeah what we get from like a second trailer I could be interested to give it a shot but I'm just I don't know that it's gonna survive the craziness of being in this is phase this is still phase 4 right this is the end of phase 4 and I mean it makes sense right because Dr. Doom is gonna you all know about that right like Dr. Doom is gonna be in this film and we'll come to forever yeah chat be where Dr. Doom is on his way we've been saying it for a long time they're gonna pick one of them yeah yes the guy with his big old cape and templates like he was always gonna be him, Galactus, Mephisto or Namor that was the four that I thought we're doing Namor and Dr. Doom okay and Dr. Doom is like insanely smart and he has lightning powers he's like one of the big bads he's like one of people's absolute favorites to the point where if they fuck him up people are gonna be pissed and they probably will gosh I had no idea that he was so up there well so for me it was fun because the first time I encountered him I thought he was goofy as fuck and then I was like oh he's kinda cool though and he grew on me completely which I think he did with everyone he's such a like he's so eccentric he's usually got a fantastic voice whenever there's like a audio version of him but then he's also just incredibly threatening he's got a very unique look and the fact that he's intelligent he's usually the leader behind some big horrible event for heroes to have to deal with and I think that's what his involvement will be probably is that I think it's like the speculation or at this point perhaps even confirmation will be like post-credits scene and he's like behind the scenes making stuff happen which as for where any of that goes I guess we'll have to see well yeah because like do we have time for something like this if we're gonna be doing secret wars I mean we'll get to that we're gonna talk about it but what does it mean to have an individual villain when you're doing all the multiverses crashing on each other especially when Kang seems to be the big bad that's so funny though he's been introduced fully and you'd be like so what's Kang's motivation you're like no clue I don't even know if that guy will ever be seen again the one we saw in Loki I guess not presumably presumably not will be someone else yeah and then there's the shot of like new Black Panther who dat and it's like well I suppose that could be anybody probably sure that's what kind of forever this as you said there's just less for us to say about this one I think that's expected because of the way they've done this trailer probably probably testing the wars to see what people think about this so far well the next trailer will probably be a much more conventional trailer that would be my guess though we are not quite done no because we're going to forever oh okay because this has gone around quite a bit so I was just gonna this is the expected plot line and it's curious to see how much do we believe this matches with the trailer I guess we got lake bell plays a scientist who's an original character she and her team searching for vibranium in the ocean which is strange because I thought they had like do you remember they mined for vibranium it was absolutely fucking gigantic the idea that they're like we're searching for more of it in the oceans like okay that's fine that's fine yeah but this would not be what this would be like other countries how could they go out there oh that's interesting because I thought insular right I guess the comet then wouldn't have crashed solely in Wakanda well maybe there were fragments that got blasted into space and rained back down I guess if vibranium is that tough maybe you could say it's just that it just stayed together also Riri Williams is gonna be iron heart right yes that's phase 5 yeah the show I think is coming out next year okay but Namor is awakened and kills her team Namor asks Wakanda for help they turn him down to Chalapast away from sickness it's gonna be awkward to try and sort of make that I think we're just gonna have to accept that it was a very sick sickness that they just couldn't cure Namor wants to kill Riri but Wakanda protects her Riri's first suit is made out of cars it sounds very similar to Dr. Strange having to protect America Chavez from Wanda yeah but Riri's first suit I like that this is said so casually Riri's first Iron Man suit basically is made of cars but when she gets so Wakanda she gets one made out of vibranium it's like I think they're gonna actually gonna do the thing where they give her an incredible Iron Man suit like immediately and not even her own thing which does that not undermine her just a bit she doesn't even get a super cool suit someone else makes it for her maybe the Captain Falcon suit where like it's not even it doesn't even cover all of his parts and it's just like do you want a suit we can make you a superhero suit go nuts there you go it's made out of maybe she'll get to go to a laboratory and design her own vibranium suit maybe that'll be a later bridge basically short cutting the character while getting the little bit of character development to rush you know like packing in an Iron Man origin movie into a different movie yeah okay so the war between Wakanda and Atlantis Shuri's mum passes away and parts of Wakanda are flooded Shuri makes an artificial flower to gain Black Panther powers which means they are committing to the whole Killmonger destroyed their entire crop I guess which is so fucking stupid I will always hate the fact that's just another example this flower you crush up into a goo you drink it and you become like hyper powerful and just like guys and you think of the applications for this it's like no culturally you're only allowed it if you have Black Panther it's like oh yeah between that and vibranium Jesus did you guys cheat on the civilization start yeah cranked all the bonus resources or whatever she expects to Chala but meets Killmonger she goes to the ancestral plane why would Killmonger be there oh you're so fucking inappropriate I really don't like how much people like Killmonger Killmonger said he was going to kill children yep it's like do you remember that in Bioshock Infinite the um the Vox popular leader she's like I'm gonna kill Fink but I'm also gonna kill his kid yeah she's evil yeah and it played us her being evil like she is evil so where are that in Bioshock Infinite in Black Panther they were like you know it's complicated it's like not really but okay so he helps her become the new Black Panther and she makes her own Black Panther suit which is just like Killmonger helps Shuri become Black Panther okay maybe that's why it's got the gold embellishments on it in honor of Killmonger I don't know does that sound good so big war between the two nations Shuri defeats Namor but doesn't kill him um Baku is the new king oh yeah there's no way they'd kill Namor in the fucking face movie he's gonna be around for a while um Baku is the new king of Wakanda while Shuri is the Black Panther Akia tells Shuri that she has a son from T'Challa that's the end she not know that I'm guessing that's gonna be right at the end why would Shuri know that necessarily like is she like she's how does that work does she like does she not know she's pregnant or how Shuri is T'Challa's sister um he's talking about Lapointe and Namor's character who she was yeah she was like Black Panther's girlfriend oh I misread the sentence I thought I read this as Nakia was telling Shuri something that about Shuri that's what confused me that's what confused me right okay yeah I got you yeah and this is the thing post credits they filmed a post credit scene with a stand-in for Doctor Doom which is thought to be the one who sent Lake Vell's team to cause some crazy shenanigans I guess which gets him in he wants vibranium for yeah what's he building some crazy project he's working on what's he making maybe that'll be part of the Phase 5 Big Bad setting it up but yeah that'll be their logic see it is the end of Phase 4 Doctor Doom but no Fantastic Four is in Phase 6 so that doesn't I don't know what the fuck they're doing I don't think they know what the fuck they're doing who knows what actually happened with that especially with how these films seem to get made who knows they don't they might not even know they could just be hedging their bets it's like well it sounds like something we could do with later alright pencil that in Phase 5 is a mess we haven't even started Phase 5 I haven't even gotten to that yet his floor is a mess so yeah um I am Groot that'll probably be fun probably it'll probably be cute and fun can't see them can't see them ruining everything with that it should be fun it might be a little bit more creative and inventive yeah yeah I'm uh I'm Groot will be cute I'm sure it'll be very cute hopefully this will be the least offensive thing that they ever make at this point I would wade yourself so with those sort of said and done it's just this image to have a little chat about the state current later phase because yeah what we've just seen was the end of Phase 4 and then this is Phase 5 starting of course with uh yeah and I don't know if they're gonna try and make it so that you know Black Panther ends with some kind of thing that makes us feel like ah yes that was the end of a phase I don't know I don't even know how you would do that well when it was filmed it probably wasn't the end of the phase so I don't you know I don't know well that's why I think that Doctor Doom after credits could legit be the way they're like see this was great right that's the end of Phase 4 Doctor Doom is here okay so first up Outman of the Wasp Quadtabadia which we've known is coming for a while I don't know what to even like so what do we know about this is uh Kang is in it yeah he's gonna be the bad guy I think they also expect Modok as well that's what I've heard yeah and more Quantum Realm stuff I guess so Michelle they're planning on Michael Douglas will die on this one which looks like took your time with that I suppose but that's fine yeah I guess I think it makes a lot of sense narratively to use that at some point the guy is probably like I'm done now that's fine I'm surprised he's still going with like Ant-Man on the Wasp yeah um does this count as a trilogy or does it count as now because it's got Ant-Man on the Wasp you know what I mean well it almost feels like it's one movie and then two movies in the trilogy like a two trilogy kind of yeah but um you know what did we think of Ant-Man on the Wasp we all saw that right I did see it I saw it and I just don't like remember when people say Thor 2 is the one it's like no it turns out it's actually Ant-Man on the Wasp because it's so forgetful you forgot you even like it's a film in the MCU no I saw it like I remember things occurring like bits and pieces Laurence Fishburn is in it Laurence Fishburn is Goliath Ghost that's the name of the girl right and I remember just she has yeah she's got Quantum she has Quantum Over Manglement and they do the flumes and then she's back to normal or whatever and it was like oh great that's a payoff I guess you're describing that and I just do not remember any of this I remember that they say Quantum a million times over and they think it's really funny when it's just like nothing makes sense nothing at all and you know we're going to get way more of that oh yeah it's called Quantum Mania for Christ's sake I imagine this do you think this film is going to be consequence-less like basically what feels like I think it'll be a consequence-less right because Kang's in it I don't know I don't know if it'll just be a variant of Kang they defeat oh I'm stuck yeah I don't know I think it could go either way I think they could just they could go either way that probably would be I could see it being inconsequential but also consequential I could see one of those like Kang does something on the Quantum level realm that actually turns out it changes everything but it's another one of those something happened all along in the background sorts of things because we know that they're not ready to like I think the snap was almost like you guys are not ready to commit to big things in the universe actually so I bet they're hesitant to do something like that again it would be a very light-hearted and easy-going film I imagine probably then again maybe they'll go a little bit harder because we haven't mentioned this Noxus right that apparently Scott doesn't care about his family even though it's like oh yeah I had one last time the bio of the film what is the quick vision that he's written a book and it's gotten some praise and so he's too busy promoting it to care about his family yeah even though his whole motivation in terms of undoing the snap was to bring back some bullshit and wasn't he like in prison and stuff because he needed to get his family and everything remember he lost like five years with his daughter yeah he's not going off doing all this stuff he's spending time with his family yeah and I told you I don't have to deal with fucking what's her name telling him you need to be a better dad shut up no well cause she's gonna be she's a superhero yes oh yeah the daughter will be she's like purple right yeah whatever yeah everyone can be superheroes and yeah that being the premise is not enticing to begin it's like ooh bad start yeah and then what's next up secret invasion the nick fury show yeah which is supposed to be about what that there are scrolls traded governments and stuff how um how is that not gonna have huge ripple effects well so in the comic it's one of the bigger like stories from what I understand like it had big consequences so I don't know about this show and how meaningful it will be surely they would have given up at this point to the idea like someone's like okay so it turns out everyone in the white house is actually a scroll and someone goes well wait how does that play into what we don't that's our story okay you can tell your story so like I guess these will be the evil scrolls I thought it was um just those scrolls were good guys the ones that I can't remember how explicit they were in Captain Marvel but I think the idea is that not all scrolls are good guys oh well I mean I figured you'd have some bad guy scrolls yeah I suppose the funny part is that they were creating Earth though compared to any other planet you know if it's the most important fucking planet oh yeah I guess nothing that ever happens on Earth let's settle here I guess somehow inexplicably it seems to survive everything so maybe it is yeah the universe but with the secret because the funny thing about Captain Marvel I think is that it's so badly written that they did come across as bad guys those scrolls if you remember how it all goes absolutely until the film said no no no they're good they knocked her out, kidnapped her and probed her memories to find what they wanted and when she woke up they give her all those like stupidly suspicious lines instead of just being honest with her evil messages then they try to kill her by shooting her with guns it's yeah that was pretty stupid for some what you need that would be bad guys that would be really bad Captain Marvel what are we at with like do we think Black Widow Thor Love and Thunder and MOM are in a different class compared to Captain Marvel it feels like it I think Captain Marvel had enough meh in it that it actually does sail above those three I think Captain Marvel is still in that old school kind of tier of bad movie yeah it was like the worst of the old school bad yes and now we've graduated into the into phase we are in with bad whatever and it's just badness on a different level where nothing works we wish for mediocre waste of time if only yeah we we're dealing with something, a Thor Love and Thunder and MOM especially, gosh darn cause I don't know what it is for some reason I feel like I'm more forgiving to Black Widow maybe it's just because of the fact that I'm further away from it time wise so yeah secret invasion don't know what the fuck's gonna be dealing with and probably incredibly horrible world building repercussions but let's be honest that is the least of their care like world building is just out, they don't care anymore oh yeah it's gonna be miserable in all of these, world building is gonna be a catastrophe that's just like a given whether it's Star Wars or MCU it's too many people doing their own things and world building's just right it off someone in chat did say that 2019 is so old school and it's weird because it feels so true let's feel old 2019 is just it was only three years ago but it feels like we've crossed a line like it's just a different era of where bad was just like bad we were different men back then things were different we had hope back then and now we're just angry old men sitting on our porches damn it was you, we used to tell stories with characters in it shut up, grandpa tang grab on low key season 5 is out next up is the one good one hopefully, Guardians of the Galaxy volume 3 all has been said about this so far it's the last adventure with the team that we see right now it's gonna be a lot darker than the others and James Gunn has said, not that this necessarily means anything but he's like this script this one, oof, this one's a big one this is a banger and like the crew I did not see this trailer there isn't one yet, right? oh, okay I should have wanted the Comic Con thing but not publicly what we had trailers for was phase 4 this is all phase 5 now I think this is is this the last thing that we're legitimately looking forward to? is this true precipice? I think it's the last thing that I think has a chance of being good is it the last thing you care about? I think I don't care about Spider-Man I got superheroes quite I care quite a bit about stories being told in this way you know like Daredevil I could see myself caring a lot about that I could see myself caring about Captain America New World Order if they had like a good trailer I could be like, you know what, maybe Agatha, we'll get there actually one by one it's like a bit of a stepping off point almost I think we've got Guardians and like I think it's it feels like Spider-Man is still one of the newer editions like the old school ones this is the end almost of the old school characters I think I agree with you, because Spider-Man's managed to sort of move from old to the current state and he's going to be the only thing once Guardians of the Galaxy 3 is done and Spider-Man isn't returning to do any Marvel projects that's it, that era is over yeah there's nothing left Spider-Man is still Civil War I think so even then he was sort of a relative latecomer compared to the older first, I get first gen or whatever characters and it feels yeah we've reached that point where it's just almost like a fresh new cycle we're getting closer and closer with every day and I just, I feel it systematically torn down each of the bigger pillars that held up the MCU at least to a lot of people who are similar to us what we liked about it, even if it was stuff we thought was flawed, like still stuff we're just like that part of it's pretty good the fact that Scott Lang is not someone that I'm particularly in love with as a character, I think he's pretty cool the fact that all I know about Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania is that they've assassinated him it's like a really really, that's like the only thing I know it's all you need to know so yeah, Guardians 3 I will likely get excited for that there was, there is a there's like a sneak peak thing that you can find but there's no official trailer to be launched, that's just to clarify they'll probably release that at some point, right? I imagine there'll be like a proper trailer at the end of the year maybe next year the other thing I do know is that this one's supposed to flesh out Rocket's history very much something that we'll be into, especially if it's good which I do, I can't see James Gunn fucking this up I mean, you know, fucking mark my words right, but I have a feeling that he cares a lot about this and he gets to have his trilogy complete so why not, you know, complete it I do hope it's good I think the, we're guaranteed Drax is going to die I wouldn't be surprised if Stalo died to be honest with you I wouldn't be surprised I think, yeah I think the one, I think I think those are probably the two that I would assume will die I think Rocket might die I was going to say Rocket is safe I would put him in a safe category myself but, um, obviously I don't know I think when it comes to his backstory that leads me to believe that this might be the end I think he might just be how much of a fan fave and if he's probably Cooper's on board he'll just keep going, you know yeah, I think that he is because if you want to do stuff with him into the future he is a character you can do a great deal with there's a lot of potential for him he has a backstory he's very comedic he's just a great character I think that they will save him to keep, you know and it will be Drax and Star-Lord who die in this one to like, to conclude their stories officially Drax is like a guarantee because David Batista said he's done after this one which makes you think whenever a person's like, I am out it's narrative opportunity to kill them because it's really sad and you want to grab that while you can sort of thing it could be that he goes, I found my family they're not dead, turns out, bye everyone I doubt it though I doubt it I don't think James can do that I think he's going to die he'll probably have a really heroic death I'm looking forward to this will be the last gasp of like remember what you enjoyed about the MCU I feel like that's what we'll get from this movie it dies with Drax, you never thought you'd say it but the MCU dies with Drax it's the last flicker of hope this is an all of phase 5 this is just what they're playing this is everything but there could be more in it no, phase 6 is the one that has a lot of blank things on the slate that we don't know about I'm surprised we get a whole phase without a Spider-Man movie we'll remember Spider-Man is like co- with Sony so like there's a little more they got to really work that out they figure that out yet I guess what I'm saying then do you expect one to just drop in at some point then? well, yeah because I guess I'm sitting here it's like Deadpool 3 we know that's happening but we got nothing and also there was that armor wars the Don Cito War Machine show that's just like absent totally oh yeah, what happened to that? Don Cito is not going to get us it's got to be us somewhere maybe if you zoom in you can see it now I don't mean for you to say anything Rags, what do you think of the upcoming television show on Disney plus Echo? I have no idea what that is most people don't I legitimately have no I just think of the arcane character I don't know anything about Echo I guess I shouldn't even know that much about it because this would be knowledge you may get from having seen the Hawkeye TV show you probably got better information than I do on this one for you I don't really is she deaf? that's her thing she's deaf, yeah was she a villain or just an anti-hero or like a mercenary in Hawkeye I can't remember she was like an antagonist turn like protagonist or something yeah this is definitely one of those like wait what why would why of all the people that give a TV show what it is one of the ones where it is like really okay fine I guess I think so is this like a low level sort of thing yeah I think well they introduce of course the the thing that actually controls the fate of the world or whatever the Freemasons are actually being ritual to you I am I would expect this show to do worse than Miss Marvel which by the way people would be like what did you guys think of that didn't even didn't watch it don't know anything about it I have no clue if it's good or bad all you need to know rags is there's a is she a teenage girl yeah she's got big old powers and at the end she swaps places with Captain Marvel and that's I guess tie into the marvels how do you swap she like I don't know she sort of swaps places and Captain Marvel is like in her house and that's like the post credit scene and also now she's a mutant or maybe maybe instead of a mutant is Marvel doing something with the mutants so what's their plan there I heard recently that there's contract stuff that is causing them to not do anything with the mutants until like 2025 I don't know if that's true but like something to do with contractual obligations to actors part of the Fox X-Men films they're like in order to use certain characters they would have to like bring back old actors or pay them or something and so yeah interesting something like that I have no idea what the point is there will he will the original X-Men movies will they be same actors but different universe they want new people right that's what they want they want new people and like a fresh start yeah connected to the Fox ones I had a feeling they would want to do their own thing so that seems to be the thing but as for like yeah I don't know what's going on there I mean Deadpool is a mutant and they're making Deadpool 3 that's like actively happening so I wonder if that film is going to be like even in the MCU really how can this even pretend to be coherent yeah I was about to say like just don't even worry about it it just doesn't make sense anyway I guess because I really like Deadpool 1 and 2 like I like the Deadpool movies I hear good things I like them Deadpool 3 could be really cool if it was like actually like if it was the real matter right where Deadpool like stumbles into the MCU and makes like just tears it to shreds or something or maybe they will do like a Deadpool kills the like Marvel universe like they've done before in the comics but it's like a alternate universe like he goes on the multiverse um oh Deadpool's not a mutant right he's mutated which is a difference yeah Fringy you can't confuse the two rookie mistake it's just cause Deadpool is so closely tied to X-Men like this yeah I wonder if they're gonna have Josh Brolin as cable if they would do that again yeah I don't know that's interesting I'm sure there's a meta joke to be made about that yeah I'm sure there is you sound like that guy has probably just me that is a joke great not as fun as the joke where he tries to do the move from X-Men Origins Wolverine where he blocks all the bullets but they just go into him and he's like I appreciate that a lot bullets are really fast bullets are really fast yes they are they're very fast so Loki season 2 Billy's being faster are Wakanda Spears is next up uh what is that even gonna be about I don't know everything is on the table I feel like this is where we're gonna get a huge amount of our king stuff and I assume Quantum Mania will act as almost like a soft introduction to the world of Loki maybe yeah maybe the after credits in Quantum Mania will have Loki in it maybe well we thought we defeated Kang but nope Kang turns out wrote him so I don't know maybe oh sorry I almost to take us back I'm pretty sure Daredevil and Kingpin are like both gonna be an echo so I guess that's relevant but yeah Loki season 2 um yeah I don't fucking know I don't care it's Kang Rags we got the end of Loki season 1 was like everyone's forgotten who Loki is and Kang is like ruling in charge of everything and the TVA is still a thing question mark in some form they exist who knows to what degree that actually is meaningful but imagine the potential what videos will Loki watch that will give him a character arc this season he like watches phase 4 and he just kills himself he's like I'm out he gets the laser stick I'm gonna let myself get munched on by Alion wasn't that that was one of the first things in phase 4 right Loki it's one of the early ones was pretty early on yeah oh man remember those days really setting us up for things to come was it WandaVision was what was first WandaVision was first we had to be Black Widow but it ended up being WandaVision in fact I think Falcon went to soldiers then to come out before WandaVision 2 so yeah I don't know what the fuck Loki season 2 is gonna be about we'll see we'll get a trailer and it'll be amazing we'll maybe make Owen Wilson say wow I don't know so then we got the marbles which again that used to be Captain Marvel 2 right then we just shoved a whole bunch of people into it and I guess they're gonna try and make a story yeah I don't know who the marbles are or anything about it Captain Marvel, Miss Marvel and Monika of Rambo they're gonna use the collective undisclosed power levels to destroy some enemy I guess I'm sure they'll do great gonna be hard to follow we just got nothing in terms of storyline for that one yet so I'm sure it'll be really popular everyone's gonna love it everyone will love the marbles they will be the best ever then comes Blade and the first thing everyone has to say is what's the age raid I die PG-13 Ionheart now well it's Mahershala Ali he's playing Blade that's really cool he's a really good actor the best thing we can draw from this so far the best thing we can draw from a lot of these projects the actors are pretty good I don't recognize the name what would I know him from have you seen Moonlight? no I have not have you seen you definitely didn't watch Luke Cage he was in Luke Cage he was in House of Cards for a while he was in House of Cards for a few seasons he was in the lead of Battle Angel oh I didn't see that I think he just Rags hasn't seen all the stuff he's in that's fair enough oh the green book I don't think Rags saw that oh I never saw that Jesus he's just in movies I haven't seen for whatever reason you're avoiding him so cruel but you'll watch Blade won't you I will watch Blade I'll definitely watch that and I think what'll happen is people will look back on the older Blades and be like man we were so lucky to get those probably we probably will say that I need to I've seen pieces of Blade I haven't sat down and watched it that'll be interesting I've always loved Blade 1 and 2 they are fucking nuts as movies Wesley Snipes is like perfect casting the MCU doesn't exist without Blade yeah it's a stepping stone it's huge it's a huge foundational movie Blade but I meant more so even just like culturally I don't think Marvel exists without Blade I think it saved them from bankruptcy is Blade the first modern superhero movie it is actually before X-Men there was Blade yeah there were superhero movies before them but it feels like the first of that era yeah we had the Superman and Batman films but yeah Blade was like the first modern superhero movie before X-Men it's Blade X-Men and Spider-Man are like seen as the a different era to this era doing the thing yeah kind of superhero movies you'd watch on TV yeah if you can see next up we got Ironhawk can you see that little little icon behind the name is we see that we see that in the we see it in the trailer for Wakanda Forever getting forged so obviously it's definitely going to be started up in that Ironhawk the story of the next Ironman because we need my Ironman back come on he's cool it'll be great I want to see what her car suit looks like yeah I just oh god there's so many good ways to handle it I just hope they don't fall into all the pitfalls that we would expect them to I don't want to listen to how evil and shit Tony is and how much better he's going to be and I get the same vibes from Captain America New World Order I'm like don't just don't you don't have to shit on things to make yourself better you could just be good well speaking of being good Agatha, Coven of Chaos possibly the most I think of multiverse of madness which most exciting project in phase 5 at a check why what do you mean no just why why Agatha television show because Coven of I don't know I guess I got enough kind of this and Echo seem like outliers because oh I might not have expected this but I see why you know but Agatha I guess there was enough really positive reception to the character and people really wanted that they decided to make a show of it which is interesting that that's how probably things are done but I mean it'll probably be terrible it'll do magicisms and nothing will make sense and do you think this will be who was the chick one division who got the super powers by passing through the wall Monica Monica Rambeau will she be an Agatha Coven of Chaos I doubt it because she's all that she was in one division for was to get the powers so that she could be doing the captain marvel cosmic stuff I guess so she wanted the marvels yeah I think I said that earlier I'm just trying to remember because I would just go through a lot of properties a lot of names yes too many yeah like I don't like I never heard about echo until we started this and I hear about names and people and groups of superheroes and comic books I'm like I just I need to familiarize myself with all these amazing characters it is it is legitimately getting tough to follow yeah so I have no I don't think anyone knows anything about Agatha as a show I don't it's happening get excited next I'm going to go pee but if you want to bring me take the have a little chat with rags about this one well I was actually going to say I need to pee as well so I'll just have a child chat I'll just be a second though I'm a quick so from what I understand dead over born again it's bringing about Charlie Cox, Vincent's and off Rio and may well be bringing back many of the cast members from the Netflix series will be 18 episodes long far and away the longest of these Marvel Disney Plus shows as for which we haven't talked about yet will the Netflix Daredevil show be in canon in the MCU it seems like the answer will be which I guess is like you know like I at least they're there's no interest in like having anything make sense or connect together anymore so funny the whole stick of the MCU is that everything is interconnected and it's a big cohesive story and yet like especially as a phase four onward we've abandoned all of that the only interconnectedness is characters show up every now and then as for like broad story arcs or meaningful world building the more relevant parts of what you could do that are really cool with the universe gone as for this show from what I understand the original writers for Daredevil some of them are involved in Echo but not this show I don't think the writers all working on this have like a big track record at all I don't know that there would be any reason to assume that this show will be able to delve into the more mature subject matter of Daredevil stories I I get so nervous thinking about this one like I get really nervous thinking about what they're gonna if you had told me like three or four years ago yeah Daredevil was finally going to get like some mainstream acknowledgement in like the MCU that would have made me really happy now it's like a monkey's paw it's not what I wanted like and I I don't know I just yeah I get super worried about it I guess we'll have to see I am back and I think this is an odd name for it so why what do you think that well I think the reason is because a lot of people I think you might say oh but it is appropriate of course but I what's interesting is he's Catholic right yes Daredevil yeah he is I don't think in Catholicism you have you are born again I think that's a problem thing so that's so this is the reason why that name upsets me born again is an arc from the comics it is rightly and widely regarded to be like one of the best comic book storylines like ever oh it's really great and meaningful for that character and it's like super important in terms of understanding who he is and season 3 of the show is kind of like like an adaptation of born again it doesn't pull a lot of things directly from the comics but there's like certain imagery like in terms of like the story it's kind of got a lot of parallels with the comic so you've done that already so when I see Daredevil born again to me it's like that's just there's no meaning behind it Disney Plus like it's not a meaningful name for the show it's just hey that wasn't the name of a comic and like he's born again Disney Plus in the MCU so that'll work like it's not meaningful yeah it kind of bugs me and it's almost like to pretend as though you didn't already kind of do that your mic is sort of robotin every once in a while and we lose some stuff no well hopefully most of that came through in terms of the actual nation so yeah I'm super nervous about that but I mean obviously I'll be watching that like but yeah just gets me nervous I think my big concern is what is the willingness of a Disney Plus production to to yeah we didn't get like any of that I just come back and all of that's coming through on the stream because I was listening to it it did just now it sort of came through okay interesting guys it's a discord tism alright carry on what was that I was saying I wonder how willing they're going to be to delve into the darker aspects of the character or even just stuff that's a little bit more mature like one of my favorite scenes in the shows from season one it's when Matt's talking to his pastor and they're basically having a conversation about the nature of evil and pastors explaining that that like he in terms of like belief in the devil the existence of the devil he talks about how he gives an anecdote about a story when he went on like some sort of mission or whatever to and that there was like this man who did these vile things and he talks about how in him he saw the devil like he sees the devil in people like that's the manifestation of the devil the reason why Matt's talking to him is because he is struggling with the decision of whether he should kill Wilson Fisk and of course obviously he's naturally concerned about this right because anything to do with this involves like his mortal soul you know like he's he's uh and so the nature of the conversation is like you could kill him but like at what cost to you is that like the right you know these sorts of conversations about right or wrong morality not only through like just the general framework but also through the framework of his religion it's really great content um sorry that's a passive priest yeah um there's a lot of like great material there and um I don't know that it's necessarily going to be in this show because it's maybe it's a little too complex and mature you know like it's not we don't we don't care about that we don't have time for that between our mandatory action scenes and of course in the case of um in the case of this show the buyer has been set for action like you can't be fucking around with dead evil dead evil is like known for the action scenes um they'll probably get flayed if they don't have a one shot yeah um but bars being set really high the first season had like a great one shot where he's in a hallway it's like a very down and dirty fight where they're getting tired throwing shit at each other like they're getting worn down over the course of the fight the second one is much more um complex it's like him going down a set of stairs using like a chain um and like a gun tied to his hands and and there's lots of like pretty cool cuts in there and then the third one is like a 12 minute long extended sequence uh one it's yeah it's 12 minutes it's like starts with a fight um and then there's a conversation in a jail that turns into a riot and then it ends with um Matt having to escape from a prison riot it's fucking awesome um and yeah I I don't know like they imagine you'd be worried the the MCU has almost pretty much with maybe a couple well recently certainly consistently the action has been all terrible across like pretty much all Disney stuff be it star wars and be it magic all really hand to hand guns they can't handle any of it yeah they do not know how to write that as a thing it's you'll just get batwoman level nonsense which of course that's something deadevil often has to account for as guns of course that's like the first thing that you learn to account for is oh yeah guns exist I should deal with that well it's the reason why a lot of the fights and deadevil take place in enclosed spaces um you you set things in enclosed spaces it just makes it easy to account for guns yeah absolutely maybe they'll just point at him without shooting and they'll run towards him so that he can just run that will be that'll be a lot easier it's just not at all theoretical anymore we used to you know almost doomsay about how Disney would ruin deadevils and don't worry about it but I was like well we're on the way we're on the precipice we're on the edge of the precipice one would say the edge of the crevice the reality like the fact that it's got that many episodes is like oh wow that's weirdly reassuring compared to how it usually goes but that doesn't say anything for what will be in these episodes and you know what a prediction is based on history and we're not doing great if we're going to pull elements of the original story how do we justify kingpin and deadevil seemingly not being that involved in what's going on with him when he's like his arty enemy we'll say yeah because they wouldn't want to decanonize the show when they like kind of pretend it exists but do whatever they want I think mm-hmm yeah I'm not going to be happy about but in a sense it means that the show is safe it's like in a little little cubby hole yeah because some people want to bring up like didn't defenders do damage and it's like even that it's separated to a degree and it wasn't like the original three seasons were perfect everyone always likes to bring up the hand obviously every time as far as I'm aware the girl who played Electra or Electra's been confirmed right or something like that I don't think so I don't know that Electra's going to be in this I thought I saw something about that but yeah we could get that we could get the hand we could get and depending on how well it does we may get Jessica Jones back I can see that happening should be next in line right before Luke Cage and I just it's in that order it's actually in that order pretty much we shall see it's about Punisher yeah that's another huge wild card he got two seasons he did well I don't like that but not very good Punisher dead last I don't know I don't know if they would can they handle that in the current MC I don't think so Punisher Blade and Deadpool all of them require a bit more it's just that tier above in terms of rating and I guess they don't want to I don't know they don't seem to want to do that I think Deadpool's meant to be R rated we'll see do you remember once upon a time they said Vismanus was going to be like R rated and scary and horror and stuff yeah and then it just turned into safe sludge pretty much few creepy visuals but that was really as far as they went with it yeah like detonating Black Bolt's head was even to me I was just like oh wow there it goes blood comes out of his nose a bit much and I think that's indicative of where we think the Marvel Universe is the fact that that makes me go like wow you guys did that and it's pretty tame for what it could have been absolutely but yes, dear devil we will be watching with great interest and I think the entire world will be very fucking unhappy if they make this the same way they've made all their other shows which by the way it seems public sentiment is pretty much on board with the idea now that all the Disney plus shows feel the same they're just these things that bump out so you better change it up it's kind of Star Wars is kind of the same way where that interesting thing you think it'll be about it's not it's super generic every fucking time but that doesn't mean oh they could do this and that nope it'll nope they know they won't doesn't doesn't mean that they won't be that show one at some point in the future where they actually go we're not going to do it that way whoa and maybe that will be there devil who knows I mean there's so much between now and then there is I mean this is I mean it says bring 2024 so we still got another year and a half or so and then we got Captain America New World Order do we know anything about this don't well it's just we know that's going to be Sam going on his adventures I don't know about if there's Bucky or like what it's about or villains or anything at all though there's quite a while I am well that's the thing isn't it's going to be taken on from Falcon and the soldier which was a nightmare show I rewatched birds elope with the sun made the big sort of like the four hour sort of condensed e-fap of that and I was listening through it that show is bad it sort of gets under the radar in the memory like a lot of things do but man that show is pretty catastrophic I'm still going away it's morality systems and what they did the characters kind of amazing we went we because we took almost like the 11 hours to go through that entire show yeah it was yeah I generally think I referenced it I said yeah we talked about this it's like it's 11 hours or so watch birds the four hour sort of condensed version there's a reason why we hate Sam Wilson they ruined him but they did a lot of damage to a bunch of people in that show and I think the passion it took to sort of go through that that's going to just wane as more stuff comes out I can't see us doing something like that for She-Hulk I think the best you'll get probably is a couple of hours talking about it if that happens I don't even know I don't know anymore what characters are there left to be invested in the new characters are meant to replace the old ones but they haven't really the old ones were not replaced they were not in any meaningful way they're just the ones we have now which is not the best one for replacement like oh yeah it's just this is what we got we don't have the old ones we got these you like them right to the end of this phase with Thunderbolts yeah which for those who don't know is a collection of criminals and villains kind of like an antihero game which yeah to be comprised right now of all we know is at least Walker is in there I think Walker, Zemo, Yelena I think those are like the they're going to go on some mission I guess and do things well Walker is great and unfortunately I don't want to see any more of Zemo because I don't want him to be ruined I'm worried about what they're going to do to him yeah Walker as well the second they portray him again he's going to be evil yeah they'll forget what they managed to do with him either accidentally or intentionally whatever that was yeah like someone just said Walker's an antihero now it's like they'll probably make him that yeah I mean he's just a really morally upstanding great guy it's funny when you say like a team is comprised of Zemo, Yelena and Walker I'd be like what the fuck team is that like what three people do not like at all share I wouldn't even say that it's two to one in terms of like good or whatever it's like all three very different what's their common goal or thread they're going I don't know I have no idea so yeah phase five looking to be you know like the highlight will be guardians more than likely but daredevil will be something to really keep an eye on and then there's curiosities you're in there yeah but otherwise that sludge pipeline they're building it out they're trucking ahead we should pull up the phase well we don't need to pull up the picture really but the phase six one what do we know in total about phase six it's just the Avengers movies isn't it fantastic four and then yeah two Avengers movies and then a bunch of other projects you're going to be too Avengers movie even be in a year it's Avengers the Kang dynasty not a very good name and then Avengers the Secret Wars which is like big comic storyline big potatoes yeah and yeah you'd I think that'll be cranking everything to just absolute elevens everywhere like every cameo we could possibly imagine every possibility I wouldn't be surprised if you see a Robert Downey Juniors and Chris Evans coming back he's going to be chaos there's going to be so much crap in that movie probably chaos and pain and we're just going to talk about how do you remember when it was like six of them they defended a city and that was it that was nice that was nice when they defended a city and we knew who they were now it's just 37 people and you know there'll be some interdimensional mega multi it's just incomprehensible incomprehensible baseball's done wonders for our expectations this is the multiverse saga fucking shit excuse to put in anything we want yeah kind of yeah so the next thing in line for Marvel right now is wait what is it again he helped his next right she helped the show that is the next thing hopefully they don't have any willed ending fucking stakes in that that'd be nice it seems like Wong is just sort of like going everywhere that'd be kind of fun he's going to have racked up more appearances soon than most of the many I think so I think legitimately that list of appearances is quite long he's been in like seven movies I think Wong man which takes us to now talking about the other lads what's up over on the DC side of things not much we've got Shazam fury of the gods yeah oh my goodness my first note oh dang someone's at the door I'll be right back we'll press on obviously you and I have seen Shazam right yes yeah I thought it was worse than everyone told me it was oh yeah it's got tons of plot problems every love that every problem I remember people saying they just like the fact that it's wholesome and happy which people said that about Aquaman too yeah it's just funny because I think Zack Snyder has put everyone in a permanent funk in the DC we're just like enough with the rain enough with the shadows this flank shot looks really wonky yeah it just doesn't look right I just the standard looks composted I don't know what it is about things anymore but it's yeah it's so we kind of mentioned this earlier at the beginning of the stream but just how much reliance there feels like there is now on just maybe market share is what I should say for characters and just like Shazam has got a huge chunk of it and why it's like well he was popped out around about the time they still had big plans for everything to work out yeah he did though he's fine he's going on adventures yeah people like him he's nice and secluded even though there's like some references here and there but uh yeah this one what is the plot that the daughters of Atlas want because they think he's stolen power or something even though he actually had it given to him by the wizard guy um yeah there's not I really don't have much to say it's like it looks very generic normal hero movie like it's not going to be anything groundbreaking or shattering I think that's the best I can hope for is that it just comes out people go yeah about that I liked it yeah and then that's that I guess you got the family dynamic right all of his family doing superhero shenanigans as well though I you gotta imagine that they still want to focus in on Shazam right so they're probably not going to be that important yeah you gotta wonder like are we going to get a lot of characterization for these guys or no I doubt it I doubt I am at especially if you've got like multiple villains as well because you got like Helen Lucy Lou like so that's that's multiple villains I guess too right and they go they all got different powers right um what looks like they're all flying though so I guess they can all fly I thought the only only um the what was his name his friend like is the the guy who was tagging along the whole time I thought only he could fly but I guess they all can I guess oh yeah yeah because I guess they figured that it's hard to justify them all getting around and going on adventures together if only two of them can fly and the rest have to walk haha rest have to run let's talk about Shazam yeah yeah what are some of your thoughts Raggle well my I am quick story mate is my sister and she was dropping some stuff off we've got a I got both my sisters are in town and one of them has a dog and one of them has a cat and both of their birthdays coincide very very close to one another so while they're in town tomorrow for lunch we're having like a birthday for the cat and the dog and all the families going over for lunch and it is cute thing that um I have a great all time as for Shazam Fury of the Gods my first note is what the fuck is even the world building in the DC EU now no idea I I just don't know the world building is that they make toys of Batman a murderer I just have no clue what's happening or what can happen is there any reason why I guess I'll have to explain why because they they directly reference like Batman and you know the Aquaman that's a flash are they not going to be so I think what they're doing is they're like probably playing very they're not saying much about the universe until they make the flash which is like the reset movie hmm based on everything that we've heard about that film it seems to be the reset movie that creates their new timeline that they want to move forward with it seems to me if you ask the people who make this is it sitting directly across from all the Saxon either movies and stuff they probably like hmm yeah you know like this very non middle I'm going to be like those movies exist and that's really swell an album yeah I'm glad that Zach had his vision and did he in a great my second note is the scale of the threat seems global and world-ending how very fresh and interesting and yet nobody else is going to show up I imagine no of course not that's my last question about oh man where are they going to be they're fighting we got Wonder Woman the flash Superman Batman Batman Aquaman Beastmaker question mark I don't know that's what the Suicide Squad all those guys yeah there I think in the trailer I assume that they had the theme in the trailer of everybody can be worthy so we'll see how that because I haven't seen Shazam but I thought that was like the lesson of Shazam one maybe they're building on it done maybe it's done again I think we've already established that being worthy is when someone whispers a spell to a magic hammer mm-hmm so it's a pretty easy I suppose and I don't have much else to say I just none of the by the way in all of these trailers none of the humor works for me not a single one never cracked a smile same as well just like I've seen the Fast and Furious movies and it's about family it's like oh my god what are we doing yeah that meme was relevant well like a year ago baby baby boy well I guess they shot the film a year ago and they're like hopefully people are still talking about family we thought that was a strong enough meme to put it in the trailer and put it in the film and put it in the trailer I suppose they put it in the trailer because it would be even older by the time the movie comes out so at least now it can be like you heard the joke the first time in the trailer that's why you don't find it funny in the movie I noticed that there were some people sitting on a park bench behind them it's like are you guys not Shazam and some lady in a bronze armor like a gold armor just chilling out over there do you not care no in this world that's totally normal you see everyone can be worthy so you just don't question it yeah I think the best thing this movie can do is just come out people go yeah that was fun and then that's it and he'll get a third movie in a couple years because it's just reliable probably because it'll probably not like it'll make it's money yeah probably be a modest someone in chat said they should have invested in Morbius memes unironically yes those were more long lived I feel than the family thing and it comes across as almost like meta in a baby well it did but they hadn't seen it yet morbentime we just went over that a guy said to Matt Smith it's morbentime and it was cringe so I don't think it's as rich an idea as you think it is morbentime that's what makes it so rich you know jokes no Thor Love and Thunder was nothing but actual jokes that's why it was so funny and hilarious from end to end we were just crying we didn't even know if those were jokes we were trying to figure it out we don't know that's how clever it is it's so double meaning wow multi-faceted writing it's tyke's speciality so yeah this is a movie I don't think it will mean much of anything for DC going forward probably not probably not not until I guess that flash movie that's when they really want to lock stuff in maybe be very careful on who they hire to play their main superheroes anybody they must be so on edge about who they even hire anymore this is like the fourth time like it's derailed oh yeah Zachary Levi nice and reliable which takes us Black Adam Black Adam what is there to say about Black Adam other than I don't their gimmick is as interesting as they think it is those oldest fuck like our hero doesn't play by the rules wow so you told me to watch two trailers you sent me the Black Adam number two before the number one which is fine my Black Adam two trailer number two I have two notes born out of rage nice and edgy and this is so generic I have nothing to say yeah and then I watched the second Black Adam trailer which for me was the first for me was the second to watch the number one and so I just wrote it in afterwards I have no commentary on it it's just the first they're the same it just feels to me like they're mocking the whole thing on the idea of what if a superhero wasn't like I ain't gonna kill nobody I'm just confused we've had that for a while a long time I don't know why that's interesting really at all it's gonna be tough for the rock to convince me without me sort of spiking that he's like this very serious very straightforward sort of character who's gonna deal with the situation as he needs to deal with it not by anyone's rule I'd be like yeah do the face do the eyebrow I saw that movie did you see the disaster movie he was in what was it called the helicopter pilot San Andreas what a film what an amazing incredible film even better so I'm way more interested we have to go in a rock arc in Pierce Brosnan's Doctor Fate just because I want to know what Doctor Fate's gonna get up to they should make a Doctor Fate movie that would have been cool especially because he's just got so much more presence since I've seen him do anything what are you up to buddy I'd rather to me that's already more interesting you want to see this dude go on adventures or do you want to see I'm not like other heroes wow he got a rocket and then it exploded and he was okay yeah I don't get the construction of a lot of stuff these days for stuff like that it's like imagine he grabs a rocket and explodes flashes everywhere that's the end what's gonna happen this film is very orange is it now this film is super orange it reminds me of if you watch the Michael Bay Transformers films everybody in those films is orange like it's so orange um it's just so orange I'm not the best part of the trilogy illustrating a point I guess it's very deserty it felt like it was very deserty it's not even that specifically it's just that's like stupid orange this half of the trailer is very blue this there we go those are the two well blue yeah put on the poster what is Doctor Fate's powers he's like he's kind of this might piss people off he's kind of like Doctor Strange he's like the magic guy it's the helm specifically I'm pretty sure it gives him like the powers but like the helm is kind of a double edged sword like it has like a consciousness of its own I believe and then he has to like contend with that Doctor Strange with Moro P oh apparently I got it right okay yeah he's about bringing balance someone said order magic I don't know what that means yeah it's all about order ordering order to the world so it's like very active the DCEU good luck yeah they're bringing in a doctor nah I don't think so it's probably well what's his role in the comics is he like a 50-50 kind of guy I think he's like he's got a sort of code in a way that he operates that should be understandable to everybody and that sometimes brings him into conflict with the heroes okay I think that's that's his nature well yeah that's the element I'm more interested in than Black Adam who like I said all I know about him is he's an angry man who says you know I'm gonna kill some people sometimes I don't know he but there's the I think each trailer had one the whole but heroes don't kill people and then there's that pause and then he says I do it's so lame so lame are we pretending as though do you imagine a hero who kills people in the DCEU we're pretending as though the first three phases of Marvel didn't have people getting killed a lot exactly just because they didn't point it out I just killed a man because I am not your dad superhero okay and it's also it seems like one of the other things that the film wants to do is establish the justice society of America like that's what they're building up here thanks we got this is Hawkman right? yeah this is Hawkman Adam Smasher as well, Cyclone people think that the whole killing thing yeah they think it's really edgy but they don't remember man race Bannon was he was plugging people in Johnny Quest way back in the 50s and 60s or whatever that show was you're not new and you're not special especially not in the DCEU I feel like it was pretty illustrative well when Iron Man lands in that area and he just fucking uppercuts a man he just that man is dead it's not like it shoots the lasers at the Sam sites blows them up see you needed some character to be like I thought heroes didn't kill people but then he's like I am Iron Man I kill people I think it's more unusual for them to have a zero tolerance of killing that is the unusual it actually stick to it like Spider-Man for instance and Batman and that's what people know about them yeah just really really odd as someone who doesn't know much of anything about Black Adam it really does feel like I'm special compared to everyone else you're like why and he's like this reason you're not a bit cringe you're an angsty anti-hero who's insanely powerful I'm being played by the rock which I'm not convinced by I'm happy to give him a shot you know just to know about that I'll have to get over that initial hump he's getting paid a lot of money for this movie I'm sure they're hoping that he will that he will help save the DCEU yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel asked him to turn up as something do you think there's an idea if we can't do that because people might get confused maybe and also just time and scheduling you want somebody who's going to be available yeah but he's just such a he's a box office drawer right so you want to grab all those types knowing that you got Lucy Lu and Helen Mirren it's just like oh yeah it's just like eventually every actor you've ever known they will turn up in either DC or Marvel that's just this one highlighted doomer says phase 5 better have more Shang-Chi in Black Widow I'm curious why you said that I think because he doesn't think those movies are good and he is being sarcasm then again it will definitely have more of both of those characters because Yelena in Black Widow I say adopt she was a Black Widow so I don't know whatever I'm sure there will be a part in this film where he's like I'm so evil and edgy and then someone is like I'm inspired by you and he's like oh my god I'm conflicted but I'm more of a people they don't get back up when I blow up stuff look at this as well this shot so it's blown up behind but he's just like I even looking it's just like come on we've made fun of this for the past decade he's like really close to it but whatever it's fine it would be cool to look at the explosion yeah why not appreciate your work assuming that is his work I don't know so yeah excitement through the roof of Black Adam don't wait I was waiting for anybody to say they wouldn't but it seems like everyone's in agreement yeah Black Adam alright I can't wait till he goes and punches the like that's it for DC it's like it's all Shazam stuff yeah what the fuck is going on guys like what's happened to everything else and it's just like wait we haven't we haven't figured it out well because I still got Aquaman too and Flash and Batgirl yeah what's going on with him we'll find out eventually I don't know and so yeah we talked about Marvel stuff for like a million years because there's a bazillion things DC that's it we'll talk about it more it's funny because people are like are you continuing the DC arc or not it's like we are still nowhere near falling behind it don't worry catching up quote-unquote with the DC arc would take a very quick amount of time meme is currently helping me with something else so don't you worry the DC arc will continue it's a hilarious little series to look at because it's like Marvel's you know falling the fuck apart but DC is this one that's like it was just falling apart from the get-go and it's just constantly hobbling along and you're just like look at him go what is he gonna do next there's some guy following behind it picking up all the pieces and trying to serve them back on like to the actually serve them back on to the train he's got a needle it's like this is all you got no hammer no nails thread them back on he's trying as an artist like he finally gets it on then the engine falls out and he's like what really so next up will be the next thing in line for the old star war which would be andor which is what end of next month is like a month from now yeah some like that you know the little series that's been made fun of ever since it was announced because it's just like Harkness like who the fuck asked for this however once you were delivered things that you may have asked for like Kenobi or maybe even Boba Fett or maybe even Mandalorian season 2 plenty of people would have asked for that you realize like man let's check out some stuff we didn't ask for let's see how that looks and I would go as far as saying andor from the trailer looks like the best of all the shows visually already yeah that's one of my notes is it looks very expensive looks very good essentially I'm pretty sure it is very expensive right like this thing is this the most they're spending on a show I want to say yes but I don't know Mando was like 100 million right yes but isn't part of what was going to make andor really expensive too is that that and this has been going now for a really long time right like production it's been in production for a while yeah this longer takes to get it out you know the more money it ends up costing in a lot of ways right for investments and returns and different people in different smoky rooms being like hey where's the show you promise dish put it out all of the the slaves in the CGI basements we're whipping them as hard as we can it will be done I promise what is this about build up to Rogue One I think is the idea with the show right which is interesting because that's like supposed to be a thing to go before a new hope so maybe they'll make a thing to go before this too maybe everyone's favorite character Cassian andor will be fleshed out presumably hopefully he goes to Tatooine yeah I hope he goes to the cantina and listens to the music so this is part of the hope for Andor is that it seems like the show that has the most potential to not get involved with all of the regular Star Wars stuff instead and I say that as if I don't want what I do want is to be in the Star Wars world just not with very specific things like oh look it's Yoda oh look it's it's a galaxy yeah like a galaxy seeing shots of just a civilization on a planet that I don't recognize it's like oh cool Star Wars stuff in the way that I want to see it hooray a new place I think we felt that way when we were watching the trailer for Kenobi we were just like oh look it's like a carousel type place we were excited to go to Halo in Mandalorian or was that the Boba Fett that was Boba Fett that was Boba Fett but at the same time we had more approval at that moment yeah that was like the best 5 minutes of Star Wars content in years yeah this looks like it's going to be regarding empire times obviously but like what I mean by that is actual like we're seeing the empire rule will be involved in their little board meetings which I'm like that could be interesting it could be I highly based off the track record that we have I think that one of my notes is this that just I think the empire will just sort of be portrayed as cartoonishly evil for no purpose or goal without any people behind it it's all just cartoonishly evil villainry and they'll be extremely incompetent at doing everything they do and they're not ever going to explore any of this in any meaningful way it'll just be kind of it seems like there's a lot of empire POV shots that seems about the empire or empire offices and stuff that makes me wonder like this is kind of the thing and or is like the one that I'm looking at going as opposed to yeah it didn't used to be like that for a while I didn't care at all about and or but I have to how horrible everything's been and then you see this trailer it's like that's not bad maybe the people who made this which are very much different than the people who made Kenobi Boba Ferry we could have a chance here for a story could be you know I feel like there's more chance here than there was there will be for like Mando season 3 which people are already going through the roof fucking hype over which is like god damn it guys once again cause the trailer for that isn't out out yet is it no it was shown and I've seen the flimpy version of it and there's already plenty of cameos from people we know from like fucking Mando season 2 and 1 great yeah and it's just like yes can be the same shit every time great list of characters they're also wonderful I care about all of them but you know this show is how long is the show I think it's 12 13 episodes I think or 12 14 yeah so that's I know how this sounds that's a good sign cause that's long enough that it feels like it makes me feel like it's that long because they they had stuff to put in there not because they were forced to be that long like 6 episodes for Kenobi it's just like so fucking obvious you were a movie that was stretched into as much as they could possibly muster but this and it took everybody a month to figure that out and it still felt and it felt empty vapid wandering in meandery hopefully this means that they actually do have a sort of story they could tell yeah how many episodes do you need 13 or so alright that's actually like a potentially this could be something interesting however I wait until that happens because I just have no confidence whatsoever in Star Wars as Thunder just mentioned 24 episodes for Adder what the fuck is the most obscure character ever it's like yep here you go two seasons off you go it's like what that's right yeah it's crazy I don't know how these decisions get made or why it's so bizarre the fact that Obi-Wan and Boba Fett get thrown in the trash while they focus like what if this show is good I'll be like why what you walked over Boba Fett and Obi-Wan for Andor who's like why wouldn't you put all the eggs in the Kenobi basket why would you put them in the Andor basket 24 episodes imagine they had confirmed that for Obi-Wan to be fair we probably like Jesus Christ what the fuck is he gonna get up to in 24 episodes oh my god but I mean you know just go on a tour of the galaxy oh yeah because it looks like there's they're gonna try and go for some political intrigue maybe with this as well but there's some lady character who's maybe empire adjacent but rebel affiliated is it Lara from Kenobi was she in this trailer or am I just no I don't think so hmm well could she be dead by now oh is this happen this happens after I think five years before a new hope before road one wow once at the same time but yeah all right I'll look oh yeah of course Stella Skarsgård's in this I was like yeah yeah look at you I wonder what you'll be up to how will they ruin you the fact that we know that someone can act is in this okay that's something it's true I mean even McGregor can act but and he did you did yeah times two parts and it made me sad maybe very very sad so yeah visually this thing looks like the most expensive of all the Disney Star Wars stuff outside of the movies yeah and we've got a longer story and it's based on stuff that's not it's not as rigid you can do whatever you want with Cassie and and or really nobody's gonna care so maybe that kind of freedom will be just what they need to make something that we can go you know chat that wasn't shit wasn't shit but I wouldn't be surprised if you ever do anything unsafe with Boba Fett look how that turned out yeah um but I wouldn't be surprised if we watched like episode one we're like that was okay then episode two like oof rickety then episode three like oh we've been down this road yeah it is a familiar path we've tread but I will be interested to check this out what are you guys interest levels at I'm interested I'm interested we'll give it a shot we'll give it a chance chat how you feeling about and or because like part of what I find amusing about this is that it was forever considered something to ignore avoid but I think like I said just because how bad everything is it could be the this one isn't cringe I don't know you like the setting interested skipping skipping no why bother zero pass don't care I feel nothing anyone else wouldn't see it too late but I am curious I am bored odd nope meh wait how many of you would check it out if we said we fully recommend it out of curiosity yeah yeah we came back after two episodes and said hey there these are actually pretty darn good they're worth the watch this is the kind of Star Wars content we've been asking for actually asking for for years now I finally decided to do it I'd watch you watch it we may have something like that set up this is the thing I don't know if I'd want to recommend the show until I see the full season just so that I'm not like tricked or some bullshit happens or it's just like ruins everything I don't even know I'm saying this is all as though this will be in any way like good but yeah we'll see we will see because I'm I'm curious I want to see what the most expensive Disney show has to actually give me yeah which takes us over to a different IP one that we barely discussed at all in terms of new things I know a lot of people want to know what we think about all of this stuff good ol lord of the rings the rings of power the faded television show that basically everybody's already written off as like this will be shit it doesn't help it's surrounded by a matter of everybody promoting it in ways that are just frustrating or vapid or anti-token insanely commercialized the soul has been completely ripped out of it this is product this is skinwalker product yeah it's just the bill of everything else this happens to lord of the rings is next and it's just what's neat about this the first time it seems that the fanbase is like okay you've touched you got your sticky fingers on everything you haven't touched the lord of the rings cake that is beautiful stay away from it you're over there being special stay away stay away from the third age stay away from the things that we like that is a well-maintained pile of helmets that's my first note my first note is a massive pile of helmets out here why to make it that rounded like that takes some time someone really felt passionate about making sure that if that thing is helmets through and through why did you pile them here that's actually why would anyone take the time to do that with just helmets was there a these are dead soldiers would you not like and look there's no like battle it's just maybe it's a vision maybe it's a vision forest and this massive insane pile of helmets and like I guess some bad happened some bad yeah well maybe it's a ritual thing everyone has to toss the helmet over there whatever they die which then you have to go get yours and you're like oh this is a small I need a medium I my second note is you can't put a boat in the water you have to CGI it well to be fair they've only got a huge budget so what do you expect like they can pay more CG people because I'm like man I so much of what makes the Lord of the Rings timeless is that it's practical I mean Lord of the Rings was more thoughtful in its use of CGI because it uses plenty of oh yeah it's just yes it doesn't lean on it too heavily it's like yeah we're gonna make chainmail we're gonna give all this armor we're gonna make these sets we're gonna go to these places we're gonna have all these props and these is this the one that has the t-shirt like armor t-shirt oh yeah the scale if I can find it sure but like that's one of the things people were favorably comparing House of the Dragon with this House of the Dragon looks like they took more care but who knows at this point until we did a good look well hey a lot of CG artists would have been paid so that's a decent chunk of budget gone it's such a I'm almost more interested in like the matter of this event than the thing itself just because of what this represents like it's it's the first of the ruination that will probably happen of Lord the Rings the first because you know like Star Wars is this it's hard to say like oh yeah I love Star Wars when the vast majority of Star Wars is not the OT yeah but what are you referring to with Lord the Rings most people will be thinking about Peter Jackson's trilogy a shit ton think about the books this is the first like the Hobbit kind of is there people aren't upset at the Hobbit they're just like yeah the Hobbit movies happened whatever they will their reputation will go up when this comes out I guarantee it yeah of course I will perhaps we judged you too harshly little Bilba those memes are probably being written right now ahead of time ready to just like post on day one so yeah you know this will happen and then they're planning five seasons of this shit right yes they've already planned out five seasons yeah by the time if the fifth one really does roll out like we should be like how fucking go away and then you know who knows what else they'll try imagine they like they try to fucking remake Lord the Rings trilogy or something that would be like the worst ever decision the sun's on the left and the shadows are on the left it's a vision I'll be my answer for anything like Hobbits it's just strange well for me it's strange it's just Letty Henry I've known him forever it's just like this sort of stand up and sketch comedian I'm just like why letty Henry but okay um yeah obviously there's gonna be all kind of like I don't even know what the plot of this thing is gonna be but apparently if I wanted to know I could have found out most of it by now a lot of it is leaked in some ways and others I I don't know how to how to properly explain my stake in all of this it's like I said I see it as I'm hoping it's the one that doesn't get to get away with it basically you don't get to shit all over a thing and just keep going there's gonna be enough fan outcry this time that's that's all I hope comes from this it'll be Amazon's big million gazillion dollar gamble that did not pay off TLJ Game of Thrones season 8 those are the two big ones that happened I'm hoping this is like another one where we all get to instead of fucking around and being like no actually Multivism is a great film we can actually be like yeah that was very bad and we don't appreciate that don't do that could you give a shit next time please could you care not just throw money at things and pander going from you know like downvotes and shit on like the trailers and commentary and all the people spamming quotes from talking about what evil is it's really got like a mainstream negative response which is not common for like a project like this which is I guess that in and of itself is kind of interesting yeah I think the rest of the people should have the same thing as well like a wide-scale broad negative reaction yeah so here's the part of the trailer that's probably most frustrating actually dare to dare to fucking write his name well so one of the weirdest parts is that they're launching the show on the day of his death I know it's so what is that that's an uncanny coincidence if doesn't it feel like that can't be a coincidence and then if it's not a coincidence why would they do that and it's just like just seems rude surely they know that and if it's not a coincidence cause they could like they know well cause they would know it's that bad yeah if I were a part of the trailer I'd be like oh guys don't do that if we just like push it back a day literally a day you could set it on his birthday that might be a little bit more it feels more celebratory the day of his death rings of power it's over a new age has begun the past is dead what did he say so in this cause the one everyone always wants to connect it to is let the past die kill it if you have to from Kylo one of these trailers has him say something like you have to move on from the past so you'll die with it or something like that just like fuck off this thing is really hard no I have chosen death yes really hard not to read into lines like that you're like why would you you chose to put that in the trailer really hmm they need to make a two towers remake that's the two corporations and it's amazon and disney and they're two evil black is one with a smile on it and the other with a mouse the little mouse is here there's like two eyes at it cause yeah this isn't going to help amazons rep not the it's doing great anyway like for amazon prime specifically all of their shows and stuff Jeff Bezos was really like passionate about getting to make a lord of the ring show for like amazon prime yeah but wasn't the passion behind it he's had a quote where it was like we need our game of thrones oh I'm sure I'm sure that there is that right for like the attitude of we need something that'll be people want to be on prime and watch prime stuff if Jeff Bezos really said we need our game of thrones then that sounds like a bit of a monkey's paw wish right there is like you very well might just get your game of thrones oh yeah except it's all season 8 for you oh yeah so this this guy there was there was the assumption especially with the way the trailer shot that this is Sauron but Gary several others said it's definitely not Sauron from their information this this is someone else person doesn't exactly look super intimidating though when they're clearly like the way the trailer goes this is a villainous character gonna be our bad guy maybe I don't know interesting to cast M&M it's a radical choice but not one that you know it takes place in the star wars universe there's no rails oh go back this struck me as odd I almost made a comment on it where the two dwarves are talking and it cuts away for just a moment at this yeah this guy on the left his reaction they kept that in and I'm like that's weird that you kept that in it just seems like this he's just like oh I'm gonna tell that joke again it's really weird as well you know it's the whole um you have Galadriel and then the way they say it and this is Galadriel a lot of weird pronunciation what's going on here and there just just it's it's mostly something that will probably be fine um ultimately but I worry about uh how anything out of step will just immediately be like then uh hey I'll say that about Baalboo Baguines well look if they pronounced like Dexter that's Dexter Jets does name wrong if you were to return I would be outraged Derek Jeter uh yeah is this the trailer where the dialogue exchange was uh you have not seen what I have seen I have seen stuff yes but you have not seen what I have seen well what is that that was like a dramatic moment in the trailer as well yeah we're gonna be here all day talking about the music even cut out to emphasize that it's like this conversation is kind of weird um I have a note here that says it seems like it's trying too hard to be cinematic and grand like its presentation is getting in the way of what it actually is because at the same time it still comes across as extremely generic fantasy yeah and the um I just feel like it doesn't have an identity to it it feels like there's going to be an infection of the meta knowledge being that Sauron will be treated as though we know about his future uh and his effects in Lord of the Rings meanwhile like the I don't know that uh I'm already thrown by like how how this this this this is kind of like the Sauron prequel and it's like uh-huh the guy you like from the other stuff yep oh no she's in the closet not in this show um so yeah I this this is one where um I probably would be on board with it with it if everyone was like let's all skip it stay away from it it's weird because there's a part of me that I feel like it's big that I kind I almost have this like I need to see it I need to know when I say let's all I'm referring to like everybody that is involved with like sort of media commentary as a sort of like boycott but I think that the the option to opt for is to be like no watch it dissect it and talk about what they've done be it good or bad uh I feel like it will be weighed in one particular direction uh discover the legend discover the legend it's so fucking like this is like a mobile game ad yeah discover the legend warriors of Corphe Real colon the reckoning that forged the rings fries you might you ain't ever gonna be able to get to their heights that trilogy is done and it's done forever it's in stone no one can fuck with it we know the opening the opening uh theme is music the opening music of Lord of the Rings was I think was all foundations of stone I'm not sure though maybe that was the opening of two towers not sure I gotta go back and double check I wonder that's another big parrot oh he's gone oh he's back we're good but that's another big pair of shoes that this show has to fill is the music yeah good luck like really good luck fucking else this is the same right you don't understand so much shit coming out all at once yeah that's pretty close actually wait does I mean and or she Hulk and rings of power all gonna be the same time seems that way good god yeah not really fair isn't the cruel um to make us watch all these things also yeah I don't know you guys but it's about wrong I just I think I think he looks worse than he does and yeah the original trilogy but that could be my hyper bias I don't know I'd have to looks I mean looks good but that's the Balrog yep that's him so it's done like in the same fucking way as uh you know any any cameo like a character cameo just like you like the Balrog yeah yeah yes we do do we need the Balrog back story why is he so angry why is he living in Moria why does he really hate wizards we'll see legend before he was his ruin was smote upon the mountain site we are we are we spend much more time talking about the thing itself than the things around it how it's promoted or what things have been leaked like we still talk about that stuff but we just do it really compared so you know we'll wait for this to come out have a little look see and let you guys know what what we think of it not looking forward to it I'm sure it'll be great no ma it'll be great it'll be very diverse and they're going to have all of the action that you could ever ask for and Galadriel is going to kick some serious butt she's going to show them what she's going to do great so don't you worry which brings us to our next fantasy thing this one I guess I'm curious what what what thoughts even we had by the two of you with this no house of the dragon absolutely I got nothing really I have very little I thought the Targaryens were white I think that's getting changed for this now the I wouldn't be able to cite you specifics but I'm pretty sure yeah the Targaryens are supposed to be all white my limited knowledge of Game of Thrones which is very limited that is just something I recall seeing alright next note is really the only substantive note I have is I imagine any actual political intrigue and good writing will be terrible since writing that sort of multi-layered drama is likely quite difficult um this is a show that requires very good writers and this kind of thing the thing that people are declaring it already is on the comments this is a really really difficult thing to write there's a lot of characters interacting with a lot of characters and there's rules and systems and you have to have the logistics of how things happen it's a lot to juggle really if your show is going to press that is a big thing can you do it? probably not so that's actually pretty much all I've got to say about this as well it seems like this trailer is about as good as it can be they're offering you that there's going to be all kinds of political intrigue backstabbing and succession and throne dealings with some fun fantasy of dragons involved and backstabbing and stuff it's like all the things you like from what you liked in Game of Thrones like yeah you're going to have to prove yourself show you have to have someone write this shit that's competent I really have no problem with the trailer it's fine I have the other two things I have stop saying iron throne and I don't care hey but that's like the whole appeal okay I know but they say iron throne a lot I just stop saying that stop saying iron throne come up with another title for it so you don't have to keep saying iron throne iron throne yes I know it's yeah we get it it's interesting that it is interesting that like Game of Thrones is just in terms of mainstream relevance is like lost so much of it but still something right it's still something it's just it's interesting that's all something so popular when did they decide to make the show was it before season 8 was finished or afterwards yeah there was at one point there was like five different potential ideas and there's this mysterious pilot that got made for a different show that got axed completely that cost like a shit ton Naomi Watts was like the main character or something it would be fun to know what happened with that but yeah oh they made Fringy Gollum yeah the little green gollum Fringy likes this how's the dragon don't care yeah I don't care either but I'll pass I think this is one I'm not going to watch until a couple of episodes are out and people have said it's good okay and I'll just update you guys with like I was would you really want to do that would you really then again I guess I didn't want to watch 12 trailers before this EFAT but here we are so like I'll do it for the people I mean I'm interested in Matt Smith it's always nice to see him around see what he's up to yeah I noticed him in there hopefully he can move past Morbius hopefully he can move past Morbius people asking about that I'll try to talk about his David Rhodes show whoever sits on the iron throne can they morb the hardest I'll have to see then I'll call dragons they're called morpins I would even say this trailer tries to bank on him quite a bit obviously they've hired him for his star power but it's kind of interesting because I'm not even sure what pushed him to star power if you discounted Doctor Who which I know you shouldn't it's just that was there anything else that sort of made people do it I mean coming out of Genesis was like a pretty great role for him you know wasn't he in like Downton Abbey or some was it some other thing the royals or something something to do with something like that I think he was in like a show for that obviously he's famous for Morbius as well yeah oh the crown is that what he was in maybe that helped out too to him in Genesis yeah I really have nothing much else to say and we'll shall see what happens when this thing comes out it's got a lot to prove because people are still pretty upset with the last time they saw stuff to do with this which uh yeah that gets us to Dungeons & Dragons which I had no idea was even the thing wait did you skip over John Wick 4 did you skip over John Wick 4 no oh okay I was just curious if you're going into I had to get up for a second I just wanted to make sure Dungeons & Dragons yeah I figured to put these three together because fantasy that makes sense yeah let's double check them which again I think I did mention it indeed kind of neat that such high budget actor filled things are being made for fantasy it's just that will any of them be good you know my first comment here is it's the quote here's the thing we're a team of thieves my comment is and I already know the vibe of this trailer yeah edit I was right yeah it's it feels like tongue in cheek we're going to have some fun but maybe some serious things may happen nothing serious will happen someone will probably die albeit risk of dying at one point and for a few seconds it'll be serious mild like it's mild apparel I mean it's funny enough because I'm completely disconnected from Dungeons & Dragons but like the idea of the team of thieves steal a thing to give it to someone else and that thing should never have gone to that person and now horrible things are happening I was like that's it I could be a campaign it just seems that because I have rock music which I'm like this is my other thing is this is going to be magic bullshit the movie yes I have any let me scroll my back any potential cool stuff will be drowned out by chaos and insanity on the screen yeah it's going to be a lot of things that look oh wow isn't that crazy it's going to be drowned out by all of the other crazy shit that's happening and it's all just going to be chaos nonsense this shot right here just makes me think like how many fucking cities and worlds get designed every single day by everyone all over the world for all these different projects it's just infinitely for everything as well no even just cities obviously like preachers and vehicles weapons every single day there's probably thousands getting churned out by everyone all over the world working hard hopefully they get paid because remember like when you see like behind the scenes stuff concept for even someone just like general grievous and you'll see like there's like a hundred different versions and you're like man all that's just like lost to time pretty much hopefully it's put in some book somewhere you know and sold yeah it's called some great yard of what could have been so then the the dragon turns up and spews tower and everybody that was mean that was mean it flies away yeah because I'm just not into D&D at all so this funnily enough a lot of people get thinking about the jeremy irons movie like almost right away and it's just like I think they've made several shit movies after that so don't worry but uh what's interesting is that D&D is now in a place where it wasn't back then it's become kind of mainstream D&D is the thing that's got a lot of popularity to it there's a great deal of like it's it's a very strong presence in popular culture and instead of this it doesn't seem like it's leaning heavy into that idea it's just it just seems like it seems like action generic fantasy yeah if this doesn't seem to have like it has any sort of an identity to it it's just funny as well because you assume it's like well this is big a budget right so the script it's like no don't bet anything on that no we don't no yeah it's a whole shit well you're gonna get a nice spider crawling up a tree there you go you're gonna get a some good CGI and some crazy Chris Pine and Michelle Rodriguez because I guess they were interested in doing a D&D movie I will say I enjoy him in pretty much everything he's in so he's got charisma so maybe maybe he'll be worth it alone but yeah I just I don't think D&D fans are at all like watching this trailer and thinking oh yeah it's more so like um mmm seriously though I hadn't heard of this shit at all was this like known neither right I didn't know this was happening I only heard it because someone that I watch casually who talks about uh tabletop role-playing games he was told to watch it and he said wow this is shit yeah I wouldn't do that would surprise me at all that a D&D fan would think this is awful there's probably loads of shit in here that's all wrong because the core of what a D&D campaign and this goes for Pathfinder and all the other ones is that you generally will have your players three, four, maybe five players who have a character and they sort of have a mission to do they have a thing to do and it centers around how are you going to go about doing that how are you going to get all the clues how are you going to fight the battles what you know what will your character do what will your class do you each bring something to your team's arsenal of abilities and stuff you have your stats and you try and work within your stats like see this the door that looks neat that's like that could be a cool spell where you like fall into the ground and then you appear somewhere else things like that are just it's not going to matter no it doesn't seem like it has a D&D identity to it because D&D is a thing I'm saying it too much that sounds bad but it kind of has a structure and a sort of formula in this I don't know if this doesn't give me that vibe of what it is players going on this campaign or this mission yeah it just feels like it will be random magic will just stuff it's just going to be things will be magic yeah the acting will probably be fine throughout and chris prine pine will be charismatic and it will cost a lot of money and it will probably lose money probably yeah I don't know if there's much it seems like it seems like an expensive project that probably isn't going to have that much reach yeah I don't see what about this like ooh look a mimic is like yeah you're not going to go see the movie because of that you know it doesn't have that I don't know someone who likes these kinds of games there's nothing about this that says this is that kind of game you're grunting it oh nice you know he's uh you'll pull in them people to watch it right maybe yeah I don't know this came out of nowhere it's just like oh okay if you if you want to you go right ahead I guess you know one thing I thought they were going to do was he at chris pines got his little talky talky over isn't this a quirky fun adventure we're having and he said we're going to need some things strength and then he shows a guy or whatever and then I thought he would do like like intelligence charisma wisdom dexterity like he would do all the stats that your characters have and each of the characters would kind of be like someone really big on that stat so for agility you'd have like the rogue who's jumping around and doing stuff and for intelligence you'd have the bookworm or the scholar whatever wisdom you'd have an old sorcerer man for charisma you'd have the bard who's smooth talking and can get him in and out you know that's what I thought they were going to do is like oh this is this is fun they're really leaning into the game and then they're like no they just do something else I'm like oh fuck that yeah I hate knowing exactly what a trailer is going to be in the first five seconds and I'm like oh this is as bad as I thought it'd be no one's going to see this and it's going to lose money and maybe I'll be wrong but it's like a trailer made to be forgotten as well yeah this doesn't have any identity there's so much shit happening like how can you latch on to anything this foam is not going to be one that breathes it's going to be it's going to try to be super funny and it's not going to be there's going to be nothing funny about this because they clearly are trying for that angle it's going to be funny in this and it's just going to it's going to be a wisp of smoke and it's just going to dissipate it will be empty vapors it will be but a dream no one will remember all of the CGI artists and their dungeons and dragons getting the rations for doing all of this stuff I mean dungeons and dragons does sum up the CG experience doesn't it sit in the dungeon anime dragon that's about it so yeah that's the coverage of that um leaving only one more uh and the one that I have to like controversially sit in loads of conversations where everyone's like yeah John Wick 4 I'm just like um okay so here it is yeah for those who are not familiar with our takes on this John Wick 1 fucking great cool liked it nice oh no no this is bad you got a bad case of sequelitis you're trying to regenerate a story cause you haven't got one to tell and you accentuate a lot of elements so the character with a lot more grounded now he's like a lot more of a superhero and uh and you're really leaning into just isn't it fun when we shoot people and he reloads and then shoots them again or punches them and then jumps into them and reloads while he's like shoots them and and also all of that is worse too yeah they just everything just keeps getting worse um John Wick 2 was really bad and frustrating John Wick 3 was really bad and frustrating and uh John Wick 4 it's just the same like this trailer is just like yep so expect the same we got a bunch of new people that you like who are famous for doing some action shit in other movies he's gonna fight and kill them I guess like yep that's what we do yeah yeah and that'll be that um he's not gonna deliver it well he's not gonna deliver the one good actor we just have to I think everyone's on board with that now you know we throw in the cab oh he's such a great guy he's like absolutely absolutely he's a gem of a human being I hope he lives a long and fruitful life it'll be a sad dark day when he passes away he's not a good actor um I have three notes for John Wick 4 um the first one is Arrow Lady should be dead that makes no sense I'm sad that we're seeing shit like that already like like oh look these are the ones she fights with a bow and arrow close combat like what the that's there's a reason the people don't do that it was like okay so she dies alright like okay yeah instantly like the first little action bit it was like this is dumb this is so stupid that's not what John Wick want with John Wick one wasn't stupid they put a lot of work and effort in this part here yeah that guy like what are those guys on the right doing they're doing that thing that stormtroopers have to do where it's like oh act like you're totally incapacitated um my second note is uh is about the sword in the gun clip when John Wick and that other guy had a sword in one hand and a gun in the other and they were shooting at each other often many many many times this one here yeah I think yeah it's this one and they shoot each other many many many times but they don't hit each other well because they're wearing the bulletproof suits ranks it doesn't matter if they hit each other I fucking hate the god damn bulletproof suit that's why they put their arms up so you can't can't get it I hate it it's like these assassins aren't even good at their fucking jobs they just use incredible sci-fi tech that makes it so they can't be killed well yeah because why we're putting you like the bullet would just move you know what I mean like if you put your hand up it's like if I hold a blanket that's bulletproof like the blanket will just fly up in the bullet will go straight you know like if I wear the bulletproof blanket it's like batwoman we talked about this in batwoman with her bulletproof cape if I have a blanket that's legitimately bulletproof and I put it over me and I have someone shoot me I'm gonna have a horrific day I'm it's like someone's hitting me with a hammer over and over and over again that blanket's not helping much is the implication here that he actually manages to block a bullet or two with his sword are they actually doing the dead pool thing but for real they're on the backhand so they're getting double damage double double defense against the bullet and it's like John Wick's whole thing was how efficient he was in John Wick 1 he was headshotting everybody so it doesn't matter if he has a suit or not shoot him in the head you're John Wick that's what you do or it's what you used to do so what we're specifically referring to is what Rags just went through like there's no impact anymore the bullets just stop existing the second they hit the suits in these they don't work they can't work as much as they would like them to as I think everybody knows right if somebody wears a bulletproof vest and gets shot they're still gonna be really hurt yeah I've always appreciated it definitely depends it's like if you wear sorry I don't mean to you're going to know cause you have soft body armor and hard body armor but if you're wearing just like clothes and you tell me it's bulletproof but that's all it does like it'll stop the bullet from penetrating the actual material I'm like okay I'll buy it but when you get hit by that you're gonna be just like this massive this massive amount of energy in a small area just got pinpoint this supersonic piece of metal slammed into your body good it didn't go through it it's not gonna cut through your body but you are gonna be on the ground having a horrible you're gonna be incapacitated it's what's gonna happen it's like people have accepted now that's just yeah that's the John Wick thing it's like watch the first one you didn't need a fucking bulletproof suit cause he was really good at his job that was the point but now he can like fuck up completely and it doesn't matter because there you go Lawrence Fishman's like hey buddy I've got your new bulletproof suit and you might be like why are you complaining about that cause that's mainly gonna be the movie that's all it is the story will be shit it always is except again for the first one having a lot of potential the story they were telling but it's mainly just to connect a bunch of action scenes and the action scenes are gonna be reliant on John just not being able to be hurt or if he is it's always just temporary then he goes to some doctor person and it's all fine I cannot fucking believe there are four John Wick movies absolutely fucking insane they should have stopped at one but there we are in the vein of what we were talking about my third and final comment is a little thing I wrote down I worry that they'll try to overdo the melee combat in strange niche weapons for the sake of variety when it would make no sense whatsoever yeah I think that is absolutely where that almost I think they think that that's what they're supposed to do at this point like we gotta find new ways to have people kill each other if you're an assassin in this world and you have X amount of hours in your day to practice and get proficient you're going to do that with a gun you're gonna do that with something that's already such a huge force multiplier that you don't have to learn swordsmanship or like rely on the other person having a sword or something because somebody is pointing at you with a gun and you're dead and all that sword fighting is going to count for nothing it's it's I oh and that's somewhat bad shit he is shot while wearing his bullet proof regular vest in the first one and it hurts like yeah because that's what I mean the first one is the first one is weirdly grounded compared to the second and third they just go off the rails like look he's got a nun chuck here you haven't seen him use one of them before excited just like okay sure because that's what it is and I hope people are really going to be honest about this eventually where it's like nobody actually cares about John Wick as a character or a story they just want to see him kill people and you might be like well why do you watch James Bond isn't the same thing, Ethan Hunt isn't that the same thing I think there's a lot more meaningful shit going on in those than John Wick has going on right now exactly and there's no reason why you can't have meaningful shit going on but they just keep on going everything gets extended and expanded this world is way bigger than you ever thought there's way more people you've never heard of that are most important players in this universe and he's going to kill every one of them okay I do not know if metal has any intentions to go over this film with more than a forge but I'm sure he's got his eyes on it he's essentially our John Wick person at this point if we've all got a John Wick person no time to die was very meaningful well that's the thing I thought that movie was shit but I don't know that doesn't mean like Fallout was great and hopefully that next mission impossible is great nope so and that about does it yep thank you so much for this trailer medley then you all got to listen to all of our thoughts on upcoming things as you can see judging from the way everything was timed up we're forever sad but still keeping an eye on the MCU a lot of a lot of fleams to do with that you know what's that thinking about it DC is more of a joke to us like you think like isn't the MCU a joke it's like well it's more sad that the MCU we're constantly sad about how everything's gone but DC we were never really you know what was the good DC film it's like where we thought it might have been Wonder Woman or Madden of Steel yeah that did so we've got no base light at all but uh just keeping an eye on it and then yeah the rest of the stuff is just a lot of new things coming out gradually and so what you can expect is that there may be minis for Andor there may be minis for She-Hulk there may not be anything for either of them there may be coverage of all different kinds of things like some of the stuff you saw today I could imagine we'd do any Fathom John Wick 4 depending on if you guys are up for seeing it um it could be one yeah I doubt we'll have any coverage of the first three the Dungeons and Dragons movie maybe in conjunction with the Dungeons and Dragons arc because there's loads of those films and apparently they're all horrible the point is we ain't promising shit with this stuff I don't know how everything's gonna roll out um but we are getting very this is episode 1 1.96 now for us this is 1.96 7.89 hey we're getting close to quite a benchmark number I'd say so for those who are unaware 27th that's when that's happening we'll end up covering another just crazy crazy day by the time we hit that there won't be any episodes of Amdor out or Rings of Power but they might be going for She-Hulk right yeah I think so so we might have a little a little talk you have a title Mauler what are you talking about that is in the title oh yeah but I couldn't it wasn't on my screen okay I can't just read whatever I want whenever I want I'll be nuts um but yeah I don't know that needs to look forward to right that's the theme of the trailers we just watched through is there literally anything that you're like oh yeah someone did mention it's like nothing for games it's like well it's going I'm like a list of protocols that'll probably be cool yeah you got Ragnarok right that's what you're yeah I'll be definitely interested in that's not even that long from now right no I think it's October hmm oh and October will mean is it full of how special we'll be out this year I think so we'll need it as precious fucking oasis in this sea in this desert of crap it's not sand it's poo is there anything gore coming up to the oasis except Mike Flanagan will say it's great until the ending and we'll say that's fine that's fine yeah well give me everything you have to give yeah hopefully that comes out plenty of fun things will happen around Halloween time as well you know um at least there's a Zootopia spin off coming yeah there you go I have no idea I have not seen Zootopia if you can believe it um I think I have not in a while yeah I have so well I suppose what we'll do now is have a look see the messages that have come in while we've been talking about all these things see what the crowd have to say about all these wonderful projects yeah let's take a look bells I'm gonna go ahead and guess they were about as excited as we were if not less I have been floating for 10 minutes this must be a reference to how I somehow managed to say that the episode was on the way before actually going live never again shall I do that what a horrible mistake I don't actually mind doing it really also high rags hello wings quote of the day I really wanted to get that surgery man I wanted it so fucking bad dog whimpers that's the most famous quote I know that one that's top tears one of the best ones ever it's a very emotional thing it's very emotional you get a deep dive highlight from the recent Fringy stream imagine how cringe it would be if Shadow the Hedgehog's dad was called Doom wait he is yeah I joked that um we're talking about like how names in context and out of context they can be different levels of cringe or different levels of cool and I said like Doctor Doom evokes quite a cool thing for a lot of people but if with zero context I'm pretty sure we all talk about how lame that name is like because it's more so the character we think of if we're praising it and I said like it sounds like something you'd name like Shadow's dad turns out Shadow's dad surname is Doom so that's hilarious and I'm very glad that they chose the correct surname for when they were writing who his dad would be um he has the yeah his name is Black Doom the creator and biological father his brother is oh I wasn't prepared I wasn't prepared alright we've established that Shadow Shadow's father is Black Doom his brother it's in quotes his brother he clips the Darkling oh my god stop it why can't he just have a little brother called Dave heaven you see Shadow the Hedgehog is the end result of Project Shadow an effort to create the ultimate life form ultimate life form is in capital letters of course it is ultimate life form beautiful let's read you the next sentence created by Professor Gerald see god forbid a normal name Professor Gerald in his efforts to find a cure to a rare disease known as NIDS in IDS that was affecting his granddaughter Maria Robotnik Shadow was gifted Robotnik Shadow was gifted with the powers of the alien Black Doom through that entity's blood after the project was forcibly shut down by the government shut this you make it hedgehogs you make it ultimate hedgehog stop it we're cutting the funding you can't cut my funding back to formula after the project was forcibly shut down by the government Shadow was put into stasis for 50 years and then awakened by Dr. Eggman Gerald's grandson to help him take over the world neat Moeller Noah Caldwell-Gervais made a 4 hour video about From Software games it's horrific, please do some kind of response he needs to be stopped 4 hours I don't think I got stuff I gotta do he's welcome to have silly opinions we should all be allowed silly opinions yeah we should hey, why don't you do a response you know, maybe yeah, Fringy nah, I'm not interested give it a shot today's animal of the day is the carrot caracal I assume that's how it's pronounced yeah, it's like a little links, like a big cat with the things on his ears he's cool flopping around I hope he's doing alright I hope he's not upset about the MCU I hope that the caracals don't know what's happening to the MCU Sitch and Adam need to be straightened out they keep bad straw manning consistency no way home beginning third is bad because it's consistency focused consistency equals bad what you might have to read that again no way home beginning third bad because it's consistency focused but it's like the worst there's a lot of garbage in the first third I wouldn't call it consistency focused at all do they mean like expositional and it's not interesting to watch because it's more so set in everything up is that what they mean because I'm always very exhausted when people say like oh yes we should make everything make sense because if like you can't do it interesting and that's my problem not yours I have no problem with trying to make a scene interesting while also setting rules but I don't know Sitch and Adam have interesting perspectives on media and they they follow my assumption that when you primarily focus on politics you end up saying some stuff about media that's you know you know I haven't said anything I just my thoughts be wandering now all the buzz has gone down I think invincible is pretty neat and has problems but I enjoyed it overall also high rags oh hello pretty neat huh alright yeah now I'm gonna start a media podcast they should totally do that and then invite me on every time they have a bad opinion alright but I can't go on every episode that would be ridiculous hey y'all any advice for aspiring fantasy writers I thought I'd ask since you seem to share my appreciation for well done character work thanks for all the great shows something that's fantasy in particular can I have overpowered magic sure yeah yeah keep everything like low with magic I think that's probably the way to go because like this Dungeons & Dragons movie like I said it's gonna be magic bullshit the movie and you just how is this world function with all of this magic everywhere and all these spells and just this insane power that it's madness I don't know I guess I assume that you asked specifically for fantasy for a reason but I don't know what to say apart from that that's fantasy specific um I guess draw inspiration from really good things but change it up in a way that makes yours unique um a lot of even bad fantasies can have neat elements to them so mix and match and change and warp things and twist it into something not twist in a bad way but you know draw from inspiration and make it your own come up with some neat ideas that maybe no one else has done um but yeah characters will be big when it comes to fantasy stuff as they are in many things characters are still king yeah there's so many ways to um almost begin the the embers of your story in that you could be like you're just thinking of a payoff or you're thinking of a world you just want to see and be everyone in or you think of one character you really like and you want to see them do certain things it really depends on you what do you want and then obviously the second you commit to anything that's pretty much our writing advice would probably go for like page one it's just like whenever you've committed to anything everything else now has to react to that having existed and can't contradict it that sort of be careful what you commit to yeah goes into the overpowered magic stuff it's just like don't if you're going to commit to this idea that you could do this and you could this and you got spellcasters everywhere and they're doing this and doing that it's like man like that's that's a huge element of the world that you can't really escape from it's going to have a lot of crazy implications kind of highlighting how stories get broken in the first place some guy is like I'm only ever going to have them float a pencil that's as far as it's ever going to go that's as far as their magic can go they'll use it in those really subtle and interesting ways but I think a big payoff near the end will be one person manages to pick up like a table and that's incredibly impressive but they have that kind of power and he's like a special kind of guy and then you know ten years later it's really popular and some new guy comes in to write and he's like he's going to pick up a spaceship like oh you don't really do that because I mean it's like nobody will be really cool this is more magical than we've ever seen before it's going to be incredible because people like that when you picked up the table is a big payoff so imagine what they'll think when he picks up the whole house wow when he pulls the moon into the ocean it'll be so cool he's going to hold the whole solar system in his hand and because it's cool so hey you know that kind of advice but also expand your mind go crazy have all kinds of stuff yeah subtle allegory more yeah you kind of imagine what I'm applying that to everything basically the only magic carpenter I can think of is Jesus so yeah finally caught up started mid-September 2021 and had a blast thank you for showing me how to think more about the meteor I enjoy instead of clapping at every spectacle also high rags hello glad you've had fun with it we here always love to have new people jump along see what they have to say about this that and the other hopefully you find our breakdowns entertaining as well as insightful that is the hope so thank you very much for sharing that please read the pokedex entries for frostlass frostlass could you spell that for me please I will post it for you and I will hope this isn't some kind of creature that freezes people to death but and then it like breaks them into pieces and eats the pieces and absorbs the soul that sort of thing alright let's go to scroll down Bulbapedia.net alright and did they pokedex entries for frostlass there's someone here that's particularly oh my goodness here it is something happened around sun and moon where I don't know if there's something in the water over there in Nintendo HQ or there was a gas leak I don't know what it was okay when it finds humans or pokemon it likes it freezes them and takes them to its chilly den where they become decorations yes great oh that was the sun that was a sun entry the moon entry is very distinct the soul of a woman lost on a snowy mountain possessed an icicle becoming this pokemon the food it most relishes is the souls of men so it's literally what I worried it would be exactly what I worried it would be okay well you know okay because there's ultra sun and ultra moon and these are both pretty creepy it freezes hikers who have come to climb snowy mountains and carries them back to its home it only goes after men it thinks are handsome oh man be ugly ultra moon even the first sentence is like alright like to help them right it's home to thaw them out no I don't think so but ultra moon says it said that on nights it comes down to human settlements if you hear it knocking at your door do not open it okay I'm not gonna good advice it's not friendly yeah it brings frozen prey back to its layer and neatly lines them up um legends archaos says a pokemon inhabited by the soul of a woman who died bearing a grudge in the snowy mountains legends of frost last placing deathly curses on misbehaving men send shivers down my spine so it's a fucking ghost witch and it curses people and it freezes them and it yay pokemon this next one says phase what happened with pokemon yeah phase one is still the best phase overall it might be you got avenges in there and iron man and I remember cap being pretty solid thorn yeah it's probably is probably is honestly I'm making a video on light year and I figured out Chris Evans is just doing his cap voice but then deepens his voice for popular buzz phrases I hate it yeah I don't think good that came and went pretty good yeah I don't think I'm ever gonna see light year I don't think I wanna um hey we won't see light year in a long time that's true so Thor had to stop gore from opening the door and after Thor beat gore he crawled on the floor to get to the door everybody do the dinosaur everybody do the dinosaur that's um not ice age three yeah how many of those are there now two people said in chat that pokemon's always been that way it's always been dark they said drowsy steals children and cubone wears it's mother skull I don't know I feel like cause I was around for the first gen stuff and it never seemed that way so ways his mother skull is a hell of a lot less scary than what you just described about that dude in the icicle it's favorite food is men's souls and stuff like that or it freezes you and it brings you back to its place and that you just stay there as decoration I don't know it feels that I don't know I feel it's a step different I feel it's a step up back to back it did get worse nah it's always been that dark I don't know it feels like it's gotten darker yeah I think it's categorically gotten darker there's no fucking way it's always been like that you might be able to find one or two references but we're seeing them all over the place now kinda nuts it's always about eating people's souls and stuff I'm concerned quantumania will assassinate scott lang's character he's too busy with his book to spend time with his daughter am I alone yeah that's bullshit it's gonna be really annoying so woohoo ant-man quantumania more like sonic mania haha nice sonic mania is good or bad I assume it's bad I have no idea but I think you're probably right about the whole like when you get on sonic as a content you're more likely to hit bad than good think I'm gonna upset some sonic fans your IRL pokemon of the day is the dragon headed caterpillar also high rags hello but why rags oh because that's just because we've got to do it that way because I have fun because I enjoy it that's why this is a very interesting creature let me get you a picture here I totally agree that it's a IRL pokemon look at that thing oh you're looking at it good it's yeah it's uh very interesting dragon headed caterpillar that I wonder what it that should have inspired a pokemon to be honest with you what what is this critter that you've got pulled up he's a dragon headed caterpillar after an awesome looking caterpillar yeah it looks like Rayquaza maybe Rayquaza is inspired by this yeah I was thinking that what does it turn into what does it look like after it becomes a butterfly I don't know dragon headed caterpillar butterfly because the butterfly dragon head I'll get back to you on that can we look forward to any the boys season 3 coverage or we pass the point of caring rags and free definitely don't care I'm not even sure if they cared enough to just find out what happens in it and complain to Fringy in a both like 10 minutes and then never talk about it again so probably not no unfortunately do you guys think Mr. Nimbus will still control the police in Wakanda forever knowing how the MCU treats continuity I'm worried who's Mr. Nimbus Mr. Nimbus am I missing a reference no that is is he like a cloud person Mr. Nimbus oh it's a Rick and Morty reference because oh yeah because he's like the he's like an Aquaman type oh yeah I remember I am yes he will be in Wakanda forever I'm pretty sure James Gunn for Booster Gold movie it probably would have been that alternate timeline where James Gunn would have actually become one of the like most influential creators of the MCU and that no I know what I'm saying is just the thought because we were talking about it at this point he was meant to be the producer of the cosmic side and if that timeline had come true we probably would be dealing with a lot more quality controlled MCU stuff but too late for that now but maybe that will mean that we get some pretty cool DC stuff who knows I liked the suicide squad you know what about pacemaker well you know the suicide squad we already gave a 5 so it's not like it was the most amazing thing in the world we'll see hello EFAP crew well actually before you move on I found the what the butterfly that the dragon headed caterpillar turns into you sound unimpressed yeah I kinda am it's alright I guess with a caterpillar like that it would you know I guess I was expecting the caterpillar becomes the beautiful butterfly right and now it's like the incredible caterpillar becomes that's alright butterfly yeah hello EFAP crew is there ever a time you feel you were too cynical well that others were too cynical yeah probably I don't know what examples I come up with exactly too cynical what do you call too cynical is that what they're saying? I guess perhaps I treated you too harshly basically like you were cynical a cool way you made you overly negative about something that you eventually realized was you know had more value than you first gave it most of the time we overshoot don't we like in a positive way rather than a negative way I think typically yeah we're like no no no this could be good because of these reasons and then we're like oh it is not often that something goes pretty cynical well don't be fair I went into the page for it pretty cynical I was about to say that's sort of a standout example of the other way generally things do not get better on rewatches if we didn't already kind of know it sometimes we go into stuff and we're like oh yeah it's probably definitely got some huge issues and then we see it and we're like yeah we were right but it's rare that we're surprised that things are better than we thought I think in a meaningful you know in a big way maybe we were too cynical believe it or not oh yeah maybe don't be really good maybe they'll be the best Avengers movies ever making them maybe they're in the same year because they like shot them and produced them back to back and they're just releasing them oh can you imagine making two of those at once oh I think they made Infinity War an Endgame back to back like production wise like they did it all in one run I think so with re-shoots and stuff but yeah I think that was back to back for like eight nine months huh they did that with Lord of the Rings they did Lord of the Rings was like 14 months I think it was like from 99 to 2000 yeah did them all back to back and then they staggered their releases in the movies watch the Noble Six Ghost of Reach teaser trailer right why well on stream yeah why is it because it's really good it's a halo thing I guess because Noble Six Ghost of Reach I don't know I just don't care about Noble Six you know like I feel like we got that story um are they just asking to watch like one of the trailers for Halo Reach is that what they're asking what is it called Noble Six Ghost of Reach that doesn't sound like a trailer actually well they called it a teaser trailer so so I guess this is some kind of a show or it looks like a yeah it looks like a CGI sort of thing here oh people are saying it's a fan thing oh what was the question can you read that question again go watch it it's kind of a funny way to do it go watch this it's so bad wow see this is part of the problem right this is your monkey's paw you are stressed to watch it and you might not be getting what you wanted I've just been giving and listening a bit like it looks fine for what I'd expect it looks fine monkey's paw but then they started talking it looks so don't have your friend Kevin do your voice for your brooding oh voice actors do work so it's not just something anyone can do it makes me laugh I'm sure they tried their best but that's not good is this what you wanted I don't know I hope this isn't what you wanted but it's just I barely have any idea what's going on I was like it's only a minute I'll just post it here for later and you could skip to the part where they start talking it's bad aww you just clearly tell they just had some guy do it this is just probably your friend isn't it your friend didn't do a good job voice acting is really important I couldn't do a lot of voices I'm not a voice actor really so phase 4 is about family Dom and Brian drift in and steal the millenium falcon and save iron man from the bat cave and gather forces to save ray and steal all the Latium on the Ferengi home world the Ferengi home world no Ferengi oh okay and yeah I was about to say the Ferengi home world that's just earth neat that's confirmed yeah that was never in doubt you just understand every last piece of anything getting confirmed is very important the lore is all gone out sure it's confirmed the D&D trailer was the best one from STCC lol I don't even know what I'd say the best trailer was House of Dragon I guess like it's as good as it could possibly be but I just don't trust it yeah of course but the D&D trailer I don't know it just felt super super generic to me yeah mmhmm I want a boost to gold trilogy the first movie focusing on what it means to be a hero second building his relationship with blue beetle 2 and 3 losing blue beetle and learning how to accept his death well oh that's not happening boost to gold phase 4 is over you can watch FX's Legion nah is that a movie? TV show is that on like Amazon or something uh well if it's FX it'll be on Disney Plus right ah okay um I've heard legions good I just I have but are there more I understand if you want to prevent spoilers but thoughts on the end to better call soul season 6 episode 9 it was interesting but thought it skipped over some details is that nippy is that that episode 9 um I enjoyed it I don't feel very passionate about it at all I think people are incorrect when they say it was nothing however I can understand why people have said that and that show should be careful to make sure it has a point to to make with how many episodes it's got left I'm sure it'll be fine oh nippy is episode 10 I don't remember which one what happened in episode 9 um yeah I'm really not someone you're going to want to get commentary about a call soul from I just my passion levels are so low on it it's a from what I can I would say it's a good show you guys check it out but um yeah it's a real overview I'm just like I'll check out the last three episodes don't worry I'll mention what I thought of the finale at some point probably after it is uh I will defend nippy to my grave yeah I mean I was surprised that so many people were upset with nippy and uh you know I think that I think I think they need to calm down and maybe complain when the whole season's done maybe if there's not much going on at that point that's a time we could be like why did they spend so much time on nippy okay um the insouciance of movie makers and gamed envelopes game developers is simply disappointing these days I don't know the in ignorance maybe what happened to the days when people were to make good movies and games just to make good movies and games there's still lots of good games coming out there are yeah I mean we do in gloom a lot but in terms of the amount of content that you have at your disposal as a gamer it's never been better honestly I mean especially as older stuff remains playable in a variety of ways with you know double A and indie stuff all over the place I mean you've got the cream of the crop to pick from and yet it feels less reliable that good things will come out yeah the games are doing way better than fucking movies uh it's remarkably telling that any MCU film not banking on nostalgia gets outsold by Top Gun and Aquaman any MCU film is not banking on nostalgia well I mean multi-verse tried to bank I guess to say no way home but Spider-Man would have always made more than like Top Gun and Spider-Man and I feel like Doc Strange was still kind of trying to use there definitely was no that does put its perspective though Aquaman is more successful than Doc to Strange in the multi-verse of man that's made more money yeah I can't believe that yeah they're both shit Question for the EFAP crew my screenwriting professor told me once that the most important aspect of an adaptation is to maintain the tone of the source material agree disagree what do you think is more important disagree disagree I'll go with spirit before tone but I would agree that that's pretty broad yeah it is it is broad and if the most important the most important part of making an adaptation is to write something good it's always gonna be to write something good that's an odd way to phrase it like what's the most important thing about making an adaptation it's like well why like an adaptation specifically what about making an adaptation require something different for like are they talking about accuracy yeah I don't it's like you see what I mean in the questioning so in my head I'm fighting between as faithful as you can be or as good as you can be because those are two different things but when you're saying what is the important aspect of an adaptation as opposed to a good story yeah because a good adaptation might mean 100% faithful it just depends on how you categorize what makes a good adaptation I guess because you know some people have already said like respect the original it's like what if the original is like really bad and everyone I mean what if you respect it and you're just not talented yeah what if you you can have you can have a great deal of respect for something but you're just really bad at writing stories and making yeah like what exactly what good is it doing you to be respectful if what does that translate to meaningfully a lot of the time well-written does translate into people being like you were respectful but it also can't so you know the different scenarios but it's not intrinsic it's not necessarily and if it's not necessarily then it means it must be something more important so I said why are you adapting something bad if it's bad just make a reboot or a new version it's like a great high concept I don't want to take it I just I don't have to provide a justification it's the hypothetical if someone's doing that and it's a bad thing could they adapt it faithfully probably not I guess that's the thing is like surely good advice is something that's actually usable whereas like let me let me retain the tone what does that mean what does that mean well it's shit it's more like reliable more actionable I suppose a reboot is an adaptation in a in a sense yeah I'd say it is based on the original material was watching Age of Ultron with a friend the other day and at some point I just said man isn't it sad that we're hoping Avengers 5 be a bare minimum of quality of Age of Ultron ain't that something yeah because Age of Ultron is shit you probably won't even get that though no because Age of Ultron has some decent character work you know between strong dialogue too what happened to the dialogue it's gotten so much worse it is better it really has gotten way worse exactly no one talks like a person would talk to another person well I mean there was in Doctor Strange you remember when like Wanda shows up at Kamatage and then Doctor Strange yeah he's like you're justifiably angry you've had to make sacrifices and then she's like yeah I've had to make sacrifices you don't know anything about sacrifices it's like what the what is this like you know what I mean like this isn't a conversation you're not talking to each other what you said has nothing to do with what he said yeah you're just speaking at one another in this weird flimpy way probably is chopped up there was a longer conversation where it did make sense because don't speak to me about sacrifice what all he said was she's had sacrifices don't speak to me Doctor Strange who sacrificed his life thousands of times to stop Dormammu and who sacrifices life again to save the universe it's vision sacrifice more so than yours anyway okay but she's mad though okay she's very sad and yet none of her plan has anything to do with reuniting with vision or her parents or you know it's somebody that she actually knows for years rather than three days I'd be curious if Michael Waldron even knows who these characters are like yeah watch one division because they reference it in that a little bit at least mm-hmm oh well I think she be you knew thank you very much super stick it oh nice when you fought so loud everyone's head explodes sad face that's pretty bad yeah wouldn't want to be around that a lot of moral implications they should probably just live alone far away from society if that's a risk what would you do if a classic scenario you're in an elevator with one other person and you fight what do you do you have to write it are we including the head exploding thing or just no no no no just an elevator with someone else and you fight what do you do just write it out hold up I think there's a very important question to ask here which is is it audible or silent no it's silent but I mean they can smell it yeah just whatever no fuck it gas light them look at him like well it's funny that you say that right it's because I remember it was a joking family guy when Peter is in an elevator the guy next to him just starts sniffing and Peter's like um it was you that's a good joke that's a good joke I don't think the only way that if it is audible though you just gonna have to just roll with it don't go down to the Taco Bell on second and main because I think that's the best you can do you have to make it a joke looks like that bean burrito is coming back to haunt me there's something like that or you could be like a more more animated cartoon animated cartoon that's stupid sense it's more cartoon references you could be like homo open the lift door and escape and then slide down the side of the power plant to get away yeah well it's my floor see you tomorrow just say just someone said just say did someone step on a frog wow I never heard that one that's a bit insensitive do frogs make farting noises when you step on I've never stepped on a frog I've made sure not to because we have lots and lots of toads here that come out at night I think there's a difference between a toad and a frog ranks correct there is they're not the same way that I don't want to step on one I don't want to step on the other frogs are really cool like it's you know we mean we mean about them a lot but frogs are really nifty critters Oh Fringy speaking of your love of animals I found a meme I want to show you I think you really like it I may well I think you just might I liked it I have a lot of memes in my folder it takes a while for it starts with the old ones up top so that's oh I got the last two oh both of these are they're similar but we were talking about lowering a little bit so go ahead and put that in there why is it not sending there we go yeah I've seen that one before and the other one that you're like it's just a bit of reading but there was a little bit of reading there yeah you know how canaries were historically brought into coal mines because of the mine was full of carbon monoxide the canary would die first and the miners were the miners would be able to escape before they died too this is a canary resuscitated when miners notice the canary getting sick with carbon monoxide poisoning they can close the circular hat so no more gas gets into the canary cage and open the valve on that oxygen tank to keep the canary breathing in other words they made a space suit for birds by immediately giving the canary access to clean air they save it from the poison the bird lives to be clear this is not for economic purposes this was specifically created because the miners felt bad and wanted to save the bird oh man is that true it looks like it hey it looks like something that I'm because I'm looking at the construction of it and it looks rudimentary enough to where like someone could make that tell me that a bunch of coal miners just made that to make sure that their bird would be safe yeah yeah that's that's nice I always felt really bad for like the whole canary in a coal mine it's like Dan that poor canary we're made for a good turn of phrase what was the joke in Simpsons with the canary in the coal mine I don't remember I wasn't in the coal mine it was when they were digging to uh to save Bart from the well wasn't it again I don't remember damn all right let me see if I can find it that's okay let's press onward Marvel doesn't want any solo Hulk story since universal still has the license to be fair we're not asking for solo Hulk stories just good Hulk stories yeah you can tell his story while he's in something else okay this means they just outright killed Hulk it's just Bruce and strong Bruce now there's no compromise you can just change and be the same yes the Hulk is dead on that character you you saw pieces of and a lot of in Ragnarok he got killed it and nobody cries for it little clown boy is an actual like in a series as of today hell of a boss season 2 episode one little clown boy are they saying that it's an actual insult in that show or I don't know little clown boy I love it it's okay okay well what's interesting is that if you google little clown boy the first like thing proper that pops up is tone of little clown boy tone of look tone of look I can't wait to see more of she hulks feet bursting from his shoes how embarrassing someone you just want to see your feet alrighty fair enough how long the copyright claims usually take to get resolved for you guys paramount is holding on to me for halo video for the full 30 days my vids average like 20 views I really don't understand I don't think they care how many views anyone gets it's uh grab it up a lot of stuff you have to write out the full 30 days they're changing that though I think they're making it just a week thank goodness god forbid an actual really good change anyone see the new bnbh movie pretty good bnbh who dat what dat bnbh movie bnbh helps out bnb hero token bnb heroes just to be clear could you just bnb no n and b and b oh bivous and butt head oh I didn't know there was one neither did I and I haven't seen it it's a it is bivous and butt head do the universe me are you tell the difference between someone get offended for the sake of it and someone who is genuinely upset by something you said just curious how do you tell the difference context matters I guess yeah how genuine you think the responses because it could be that they're trying to gain something else by pretending to be offended or it could be that they're just really upset with you the same the thing I don't think there's a perfectly consistent way to discover it hello I am obsessed with your Star Wars video essays they're awesome do you have plans to cover the prequels and OT or is force awakens the last video essay no I'd like to do stuff on them someday but I just don't know when exactly any of those kinds of projects gonna happen thanks for saying that would you consider doing a breakdown of nope I'm interested to hear your guys thoughts on it and themes which could seem ham-fisted I am on the fence I didn't intend to see it this Jordan Pills new movie he's um he's the guy who made get out and us get out was cool and then you think about it and then us was just awful and nope I mean no spin out for a little bit now and I've not really heard many people talking about it like in terms of it being good or bad I think capital opinions thought it was bad so there's that oh my god believe in Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved I can't choose what I believe unfortunately um so that's an issue that should have been addressed in the planning stages of the universe is if belief is the what's required for salvation maybe you should have made belief something have a little bit more can we just skip to where everyone has salvation prefer that no we couldn't have done that that would have been insane I'm a bit of a rule breaker I'm a maverick absolute madness absolute madness you can't just do that oh dear devil at least Deadpool will be undisneyed is that true why what do you mean I don't know what do they mean what does it mean for Deadpool to be undisneyed I I have no idea Professor Hulk should be the very last thing to happen all his stories happen because of the conflict of two personalities you can't do them anymore yeah it's done now skipped over I'm just not that interested in Professor Hulk doesn't even make sense to me Hulk was a distinct personality so like I guess he's dead oh hey rags look he did it murderer no no I meant that he did a bite in a moment I talked about that for a while just about a minute ago here's what's weird is that I don't remember you neither of you are listening to me that's great hey chat at least you guys are listening to me are you sure you talked about that oh yeah I was waiting for friggin to talk about it but he didn't say anything can you specifically say that Bruce killed Hulk did you say that hey chat yes or no did I talk for a while about talking about Hulk being dead that's Bruce Bruce now has I'll just go back to the super chat to prompt it if you want that would make me feel better some people are saying no it's kind of weird that a lot of people are saying no again how could there possibly be a 50-50 disagreement on chat what is going on what I'm calling gas lighting on this one this is this is important in an elevator this is a way different yeah god damn people are saying it's more than a minute ago as well oh that's just a first saying I don't know how long ago it got exactly like a literal amount of time probably like 5 oh well you know what 5 minutes ago was a little while ago in any case let's we can move on no I just want to make sure because I don't want rags as only by moments to be pointed out it would be unfair yeah it's fine it's not a big deal it happens it happens it's fine I'm not going to hold it against you or anything I don't want you to be bullied this was more of like a Mario card moment I was so engrossed in my race that I just didn't it didn't get through I was too busy trying to get 9th place instead of 10th out of 12 I'm very good at this game I've only played like 400 hours remember the little clown boy super chat about it being spotted in some TV show the one right before that was what right killed Hulk just Bruce and strong Bruce now there's no compromise I read all that out and then talked about it for a while and nobody said anything okay that's yeah I don't know what happened there because I totally agree it's not it's like they don't even fully understand like who they're like the nature of who Hulk and Bruce are like his characters and different people he refers to him as the other guy yeah yeah but he's he's that's awkward we best avoid remembering that because they need to accept they've murdered someone yeah let's live and let live Hulk and by live and let live I mean kill you and your life also everyone who said that it was a falsehood ban them thunder please ban them all permanently and if they've got any kind of membership ban them more than permanently if you can find a way to do that permanent plus I think there's an option find a way to mark them as genomes like instead of members they get turned into genome like a little like a little genome hat a little genome avatar but this would support the theory that all of this is just in my head and I'm in an insane asylum or something it's all in your head Luigi it's in your imagination there's no such thing as the mushroom kingdom I'm a plumber you've been riding off of me and my money for years you're a useless cop Luigi I don't mean supporting you because you're my brother but Mario what about the princess she's real that was a dead hooker Luigi we were you were on mushrooms what about toad what about toad that wasn't a talk in mushroom that was my talk Luigi that was like that's why it looked like a mushroom we got another Hulk one the reason why Hulk has been set aside is because universe will own the rights Disney can't do a Hulk centric movie he can only be part of an ensemble again him not having his own movie does not mean you have to make him shit yeah we can make him work in other people's movies absolutely look at Avengers looks like Skywalker look at him he's neat lord long bong of mubeslington abbey is there any good chance a Kong fap Peter Jackson's long kong when there's less going on there'd be a movie fap for the ages p.s. hello waxies screeches what a good boy hello how are you i think so i've been pretty good that's good i'm just wondering i think i'm doing pretty good i don't want to let it slip you gotta keep up those good healthy habits yeah have been nice and kind to people and yeah i you know i think there's on the horizon there's a good chance someday yes a long kong fap why not having encountered several hackers in games lately i would like to know your opinion on hacking in games atm dealing with a lot of wall hacks and speed hacks in dbd well what's the opinion to have like in multiplayer games is really shit is maybe the difficult question is there ever a time where those hacks are chill and cool and fun it's like i guess locally when you're just sort of experimenting but to try and enter a competitive environment it's bullshit yeah yeah just undermines the whole point which is somewhat level playing field depending on what type of game or possibly a completely level playing field being undermined by stuff beyond the parameters of the game cheating like yeah yeah yeah i have no sympathy for cheaters ban them destroy their accounts they've made a series of decisions that led to the ruining everything really hurting the experience for everyone else i have no sympathy for cheaters whatsoever have you cheat you're gone period no warnings you know exactly what you were doing cheating isn't some new foreign concept that you're ignorant of man remember jinson's death scene in i-man 1 yeah yeah i do back when things were not shit i remember mad at yeah and we had characters going ox and stuff she hulks whole thing is that she's weaker than hulk but can control it and brings out the best of her versus hulk uh yeah that makes sense to me that there would be trade off some whatnot doesn't look like she's weaker than him and seems like she's just better but we'll see this you know it could just be a trailer doing its traileriness um try to amnesia that motion blur nearly killed me kind of disappointing oh you should turn that off i would i recommend yeah i always turn off motion blur in games i i hate it always turns off whenever i get a game and it's on off it goes mm-hmm sob sob hi rags sob sob hello like they're crying oh hulk you're not sad unless you're just calling me a son of a bitch you many times oh gosh didn't incredible hulk establish the transfer of hulk powers by blood to that scientist that was helping him mr blue his head swells from oh yeah yeah i gave up on that they just did nothing with that well that guy had special weird blood that makes him crazy weird yeah remember the post-credits scene for incredible hulk was tony setting up the avengers team he went to talk to uh um ross i guess that can't be canon anymore like where he's like surprised by the idea of the avengers so that makes sense what happened you know he did that scene for free because he was so grateful for the opportunity for iron man man that's cool they don't do much for free anymore i imagine wait we could have created an army of hulks this entire time that might have been helpful with everything god i hate the mcu yeah like he drops his blood at everyone and then thaw powers them up with thaw powers and it's just like whoa yeah good luck Thanos with banner and hulk they're completely separate beings but she hulk is one person it annoys me and i haven't even read many comics i don't think it's a problem necessarily it depends on the explanation i guess in this case it's more so just why why is that how it works like just because just because bruce has got it under control wouldn't she have to do the same thing like wouldn't she have to figure it out or does she just get straight away the super duper benefits of being like cognizant while all that's going on i guess we'll find out i'm not thinking i don't think they're gonna do a good job though of course it uh imagine punished thaw getting a robot arm from tony such rocket because he did the snap himself after eight itching slapping oh bitch slapping don cheetle ducking cheese whiz joke i'm glad that people have gone to the point where the cheese whiz joke is just considered the worst fucking thing like why did you do that it was so bad can you remind me of that joke do you know what's coursing through my veins and then don cheetle says cheese whiz and then thaw's like kinda not happy about that it's not a good joke well yeah it's not just the joke being like kind of shit on its own the context is thaw's like desperately trying to explain why he should be the one to do the snap and it relates to how he feels he failed like i remember it now yeah fucking disappointing you're just there being a jerk you know like what is that other than your fat okay man how do we i saw a joe sweden movie how do i do that bad you saw a joe sweden movie how do i do that oh that you mean that well the rooso is like i don't know what they were thinking with that because they've shown they can do infinity wall is one of the funniest mcu movies yeah i just don't get it contemplative and also very funny because the scenes don't step on each other yeah they're not trying to be both it's like both need time there's like this buffer space that they need in between you know if i quote out of context of the day does elizabeth warren have telekinesis that's about i know it is if bruce slash hulk took drugs could it be revealed through a blood test what does it mean to do a drug test on the hulk like i don't know i don't know maybe it gets us up to them to decide what their rules are for that like i don't know if his blood is weird or if it's easy to you know also fringy as the australian of the group do you think that the pokemon skaroopy could survive your lands long enough to become drapeon appreciate you all massively never heard of that there's a we got an image of it if i can get one skroopy uh here it is uh let me copy he seems cute even though he's you know here is skaroopy um i figured he might be doing all right and he evolves into a drapeon let me copy that i've seen this image i don't know if that's his three evolutions maybe oh wow all right yeah look at him go yeah i figure it'll be okay as long as he stays out of trouble he should be fine please get rikita for she-hall coverage i am uh i am hopefully gonna try and see about that you might be able to get some conversations about law shoved in here and there why not in your previous efap on uh what is t love and thunder okay you wondered if the mcu should have developed the cure for cancer they have ironman 3's extremist can cure anything it was forgotten along with the rest of phase 2 is that what they say in ironman 3 i can't remember what did they say specifically like i can't i'm saying i can't remember what they said about extremist what it could do in ironman 3 i don't know it was like some super regenerative flume could it like cure cancer though uh i think it was some some like illness helping thing yeah because yeah just the if it is that that is catastrophic for the world as well they actually do say that it can cure cancer that's not like a comic source that's from the movie itself really helps them breathe fire i know it can yeah the grow back limbs thing and it's just the thing is it was unstable right or at least yeah wow didn't seem that unstable seem like not unstable enough for the fucking creator not to take it so was it that he had a stable version or something well because some people blew up they got it yeah but but most people didn't but i yeah i'd need to see the movie again to be sure about i don't think any of us are eager to rewatch ironman 3 i don't really know not me oh no i'm the hulk now you're a hulk oh no i've got aids now you're in aids well i hope he doesn't have aids then they'll both be fine the hulk doesn't have aids that's not good i'm sure if he does they'll forget about it and he'll be fine this one says are they both lawyers uh just the one lawyer just here i don't think the hulk's a lawyer no he's a scientist doing science he's he's he has legalology is what he studies in the laboratory he puts some law into a beaker and he heats it up and he measures out some justice hell yeah and he pours out some habeas corpus it mixes it in with some objections yep the original ninja costume is still the best one original ninja costume for who are you talking about dead devil are you talking about like the man without fear the black sweat suit they might be talking about dead devil the next one's about dead devil dead devil in phase 4 is genuinely the most scared i've been for a fictional character in my life in phase 5 remember yeah well i guess he's gonna turn up in she hulk right so yes and probably echo as well in fact i think that's confirmed she hulk's phase 4 right yes well yeah we're still on it they're afraid for dead devil even in phase 4 unfortunately he made it through no way home everyone i know he said it for a few seconds but he made it through she hulk looks like a misogynist's attempt at critiquing the patriarchy a misogynist's attempt at critiquing the patriarchy um maybe the reference misogynist wouldn't generally can normally a misogynist wouldn't critique the patriarchy right but it turns out the people who are like down with the patriarchy the ones that are actually more so sexist and disney i don't know all i ever got from that is that it's kind of funny that the show has like the single female lawyer futurama like vibe a thing that was being made fun of like by futurama 20 years ago what do you mean you remember the single female lawyer joke yeah i'm pretty sure it's in that trailer it's like oh yeah you know like yeah i'm a lawyer a super demanding job isn't that exactly what the single female lawyer joke was i mean she's also a hulk right yeah i know i know of course there's that as well it's just kind of funny like if it was like there's a level of parallel to the single female lawyer joke would being a hulk help you be a lawyer i don't i don't know that it would like i'm not sure what the benefits of that would be because yeah i watched ali mcfeil the whole thing there is even a plot line where she's dating robert danney jr in the show and he got into bad things irl and he had to be written out of the show i think there's like a payoff where he may or may not leave it and he ends up leaving it because he had to be in the show so when i saw that joke in future armor i just thought it was more like a standard matt greening sort of reference well remember the big the big take away from that was it was not okay from the perspective of network television to have any radical change she couldn't not be a lawyer or be like she couldn't be in a relationship and not a lawyer that's allowed by the end of it she needs to be back to single female lawyer hey man let's probably make stuff these days yeah hulki mcfeil hulki mcfeil uh you know what's funny the fact that power rangers still tries to keep continuity between all the shows some of them even acknowledge the previous seasons will bring them back like lord zed and there's some people some people out there still like continuity okay that must be a crazy world where every week these these costume guys they beat up this monster and then they kill it but then it gets really really big and then they have to go fight it again and this happens every week and the world's just like yeah that's just what happens it all tends to sort itself out so you know we just roll with it it's why not uh remember in sicario and punisher tried to kill an FBI agent and got a wet willy from benicio del toro a car as punishment hi rags hello um yes i do remember that that seems pretty stressful because he realizes she's uh it's well it uh is she's trying to get in from he's the one that's like providing information i think and then he realizes she's figured that out but luckily benicio del toro is there don't watch sicario everybody don't watch the sequel i remember i don't even remember much about the sequel at all i just remember that scene when he like he shoots the dude but he does it kind of weird where he puts like he holds a gun with one hand and pulls a trigger with a different like hand do you remember that i just remember them having him get shot in the head and it happens to be the one angle in place that wouldn't kill you it's fucking absurd but whatever that happens though sometimes i'm sure a lot of things happen sometimes hi sweet good boys finally bought a ps5 the first console i've owned since ps2 did you recommend any must plays for the platform interesting well since i could grab like some ps4 classics then right because they all backwards i believe they are what would you go with what's the best of ps4 ringing ah shit um oh man get the shadow colossus remaster why not um well blood born that would probably be a good pick yeah yeah yeah you're okay with because some people really aren't okay with the 30 fps and then even lower than that you know which i understand totally if you want to talk about that for a second i will be back the problem is that there's not many games i can recommend of like playstation for a classic that doesn't run at a shit frame rate they all do they all 30 fps because they all yeah it's just it's just like console games 30 fps and that's 30 fps best case scenario that's exactly yeah they're really remembered best case scenario everything running as it should be you'll get 30 fps but if shit goes down yeah like um pretty sure that was because blood born would go into the like into the the 10s like it would drop into the 10s category and then there was that interview where the director said it wasn't the director it wasn't it was the producer who's like yeah it's better for action games to be 30 fps uh shut up it's like no it's not it's just categorically worse wrong um the ghost of sushima would be another one i'd probably recommend yeah um 30 fps is fine the human eye sees it 24 fp are you memeing i think that's the meme yeah drop below 20 however well i mean i would yeah sure but like i hope you're memeing well the as the lower in frame rate you go the more you notice the missing frame rates because there's going to be more tasks look like a slide show well yeah it mathematically if it gives it measured in frames per second the less you have the more space there will be in between them that's why it's very easy to see the difference between you know 30 fps and 60 fps but it's very difficult to tell the difference between 400 and 450 i've seen people before say that they think it's like weird like 60 fps they find it weird to look at which i've never understood yeah because uh because it's you're not used to it if i totally understand that because i that's the place where i that i was in in one time it was bioshock the game that let you the original bioshock on the xbox 360 had an option you can have 30 fps or you can have 60 fps but it wasn't called that it was called like smooth mode or something like that and it just looked different and i and i didn't know what to explain it to there's a lot of games that now let you do that they have like performance mode and fidelity mode which i'm okay with which is the option but i mean as for i think it's just a matter of you do notice it even if you're even if you're not cogniz like i remember i think i think it was um because call of duty has always run at 60 on consoles though i think they've gotten worse at that over the years but like on you know the older ones did um yes i don't think it's a surprise that call of duty ended up becoming like the most popular shooter among other things because of its emphasis on performance yeah battlefield would run at 30 and it was a difference that you just already you could feel that there you felt it that's the thing you will feel it even if you don't fully appreciate it you're gonna feel it yeah if you don't know what it's called or why it is it's just smoother um yeah like it's it feels really weird now playing like like if i ever played a game on con i mean last of us right like last of us two was 30 fps and it's like i don't oh i don't like like it is a big task to make me play some at 30 fps it had better be like it's bearable if it's a game like south park the stick of truth where yes or yeah that's 30 fps well it's because of the style of south park right as an animated go that but then you look at something like cuphead which is trying to it's doing the robber hose animation like animations at 24 fps cuphead is at 60 it's animated at 60 um they did all the the drawings they did 60 drawings instead of 24 um and nevertheless right regardless of what the frame rate is for the illustrations it's all about like the way that things move across the screen um and i mean in the case of south park it's not a game that requires much by way of like twitch you know mechanics rpg turn-based rpg it's really not that big a deal if civilization or rim world or whatever there's a lot going on and you don't get 60 fps you could deal with it yeah obviously it's not ideal but you could deal with it but man then some of the games someone in the chat's brought up fighting games and it's like there's an it should be no surprise that every like fighting game ever that's competitive is at 60 fps because it's just it's just the case that it's better um it's and and in the case of competitive games it's it's actually like essential you want to you want to yeah and of course i'm gonna be like why not 120 it's like i think 60 is a healthy middle ground most people are fine enough with 60 60 is good enough pretty much pretty much every tv that anybody has is only gonna display at 60 hertz anyway yeah if you want a screen with more than 60 fps it will generally be advertised as for gamers or something like that because most tv shows every once in a while every once in a while you'll see one of those shows that's running at a higher frame rate and it looks strange but for the most part tv shows are probably 24 a lot of soap opera as well because i remember i noticed at once um there was a soap in australia called neighbors which i think even just ended after 37 years i remember that there was there was one time when i saw it and i'm like something is different like everybody's moving not as fast as they used to like there's something has changed and it was only once i got like a lot older that's like oh that's probably because like the frame rate that that was being displayed at changed like it was probably at 48 and then they reduced it to 24 um because of course i mean the the thing is when it comes to like film and television and everything it doesn't like 24 works there's no interactive element that is um important to maintain like you don't need to push the frame rate on um a film but on a video game you know less frames is longer time between your input being recognized on screen it's not a lot of difference but it is a difference persistently throughout the whole game um yeah yeah you you'll notice that sometimes every once in a while whether it's oddly enough i think it was probably like a hallmark movie or something it just looks super smooth compared to everything else and i was saying and i want to say like i almost pointed it out it's like wow do you see how smooth this is it's running at a higher frame rate than what you normally look at and i feel like i can't remember if my parents even like realized it or they noticed it was weird or something it's i don't know it's not something you might even like subconsciously you might notice it but maybe you don't even think to point it out or recognize it's a weird thing especially especially in a certain way exactly yeah but i mean in video games it matters and it was really frustrating all those conversations about how it didn't it's like the big problem with the 8th generation they couldn't even do 1080p 30 like they couldn't even do that cool hi did you recommend a bunch of ps4 games uh not really we just started talking about we talked about frame rate and stuff um why am i blanking on it i should know better as well third ps4 stuff um i mean i mean i like spiderman on ps4 spooderman uh yeah a lot of people say that's real good i still haven't gone around to it yet i wonder if if i replay infamous second sum that i might um that might be a game that i was a little bit too harsh towards because i find it frustrating that it exists but like it's probably mechanically pretty strong amnesia rebirth hell yeah god war 2018 well i haven't played enough of that so i can't give that recommendation um demon souls well you can get the ps5 that's ps5 but you know do people like horizon forbidden west i think i've only heard anything about that game that's good i think i've only heard about that people didn't hate it elder ring elder ring really are yeah like wallowed that up yeah let me look at horizon forbidden west that game is super impressive graphically that's for sure gorilla games they are they're really good with their tank yeah gorillas they're great with stuff like that i feel they can make all kinds of stuff you guys remember the kill zone 2 thing the pre-rendered trailer for kill zone 2 do you remember that i believe i do where it goes under the bridge and shoots and all the story behind it was that it was presented as like what the game would look like but what it actually was was like a proof of concept that was made internally by like gorilla like a video said that they were like yeah this is what we'll be trying to aim for and sony were like you know what this is good enough to show the world and there was no way that they were ever going to hit like what they had shown in that demo i mean kill zone 2 looks really good but like it's yeah there was no way that they were going to achieve though i guess i guess that's probably like because kill zone 2 looks overall better than that trailer like it has a better overall like look to it like it's a lot more cohesive even if it's not as technically impressive as that demo sadly the earth isn't intact the eternals made sure that dead celeste you'll hang out on the planet yeah people still wait for that to be addressed it won't be it won't be look up dooms dialogue in marvel vs capcom 3 that game is my favorite depiction of marvel's characters and dooms voice performance is fantastic um let me see if i can there's probably someone who's uploaded it right doctor doom dialogue marvel vs capcom 3 hmm we got work to do i'll make you wish you were facing that bonito scum that voice is okay alright this is what happens when you pray this is what you do isn't this great look at this what's this you have done this yourself you guys can listen that's just one example i guess at that time stamp i wanna play marvel vs capcom 2 um that game looks really cool the art style and also the music is really good in that game clock tower it's a good song the catchy it was saying it sounds like me making a voice hold on it's not quite what i envisioned doctor doom i don't hate it let us into this voice it's his voice is yeah it's like he tried he sounds like doc helbert oh no now that you've said that he sounds just like doc helbert oh no it does it sounds like rick moranis in a metal bucket oh no it does it's been ruined i'm so sorry you need the voice from robot chicken how could you allow this to happen and i fucked it up damn it it was the wife swap joke where so storm switched played like families with just this normal woman it's like die fantastic for it not today doom it was part of the show's premise what were we supposed to do oh i don't know maybe not pit a housewife against the powers of doom under arrest in house housewives yeah i guess he's not a very forward thinking doctor doom is not very forward thinking so molla do you think they will bring back the magical wonder ball in wakanda for skin i don't think that's what it's called but baby i'm actually i'm not sure if they'll forget they might just forget them maybe they won't we shall see except they retcon daisy fits roe into a good guy in burial at sea because of course they did i hate those dlc's so much dude we're way ahead of you we hate the game but yes i also hate the dlc's i think it sucked uh what is bigger brilliant what is bigger a big little chungus or a little big chungus or a medium medium chungus um i'll go with a little big chungus because it's like the smallest of the big ones which i think would be bigger than the biggest of the small ones then again the medium medium chungus might be bigger i'll have the medium medium chungus with a side of fries and an extra large coca-cola would you like mayo on your medium medium chungus no alright gotta be 733 please pull to the first window the scrolls are not sending their best some i assume are good green people well we'll see see what they're doing with scrolls see what they tell us is the truth about the scrolls uh hey guys i really want to make a defense argument for some of the not great movies you guys have covered if you had it to you in the best format for it i could do videos if needed i'm not choosing easy positions by the way well i mean it's good luck with whatever it is you're up to there's no really like there's no system for make an argument and we shall respond to it it's more of a we might see some arguments in chat maybe we'll catch a video here and there who knows you never know but uh good luck with whatever it is you're up to maybe you'll maybe you can make some videos for the sake of making videos i could be fun um what is the most money you'd be willing to pay the furthest debt you'd be willing to get to to get out of having relations with a sheep no one will know about the relations to get out of relations with the sheep so how much amount of debt would well what's the interest rate on that debt that might be a good question to start with well i i need more information to determine the well or alternatively you know what we can just move on actually a bit of a weird question i'm not sure how to answer it honestly i don't think if it's like if it's like a tom nook loan then i'll take on infinite like money because i never have to pay that loan back yeah it's not even like calling it a loan is kind of even unfair it's it's not alone it's free money it's free money you don't have to pay it back and literally your loan depreciates just over time because of inflation like tom nook looks a nice guy he is a nice guy i'm sick of people shitting on him tom nooks amazing maybe he should just you know he should stop helping people out and see what they say then huh like oh yeah he sometimes asks you about all that money that he gave you like if you gotta pay it back that's fair that he built for you in a day in a day it's totally fair that every once in a while he can inquire about it yeah it's so funny because i'm pretty sure i'm seeing people say see he's like an allegory for capitalism because he like owns all of the businesses like all the money passed through tom nook and it's like you know what even true it's not true there are other the mable sisters isn't that in the name of the the cloth people there's there's the two llamas right um there's also the the museum that are also the museum the owl runs the owl and there's the police department we didn't ask him to build that house you don't have to pay him back i don't know what you want to say here's the thing you you do ask him to add to build make your house bigger that's true and in order to make your house bigger i think it's enough to say you know what can you pay off the loan first that you owe me before we before we get bigger again yeah and then once you pay that off i'll just make your house bigger again yeah the able sisters that's right like he i mean essentially tom nook is like working really hard to ensure that the town has all of the resources and amenities that it needs to be a fully functioning and thriving settlement yeah he's um he is a pillar of the community um can we have a video if he does a deep dive on the inner workings of animal crossing so the problem is that i can't i've played a decent amount of animal crossing i don't know how much i could tell you about a lot of other aspects of the game but i of course i can tell you that tom nook is um he is besmirched a lot considering that what he does is like downright generous it's generous interest free loans reinvestment into his business while he raises two kids and by reinvesting in the business you gain access to better like more goods yes it's it's just one of the best things that happens to you in that game is historic spans because every day you get more things to choose from he does the thing that you want people to do which is not just hoard the money and turn into like a tom nook version of smalg like sitting on a pile of gold coins he reinvest that into his business that produces more goods that are accessible and available to you and infrastructure in the town like all of the money that you pay on your interest free loans is which is free money anyway is used to reinvest into services for the community yeah now hey there just supporting where i can hi rags sign of peace ringing hello hello listen to red rising all right that's the book that i keep saying i might listen to a read one day you guys i got the audio you guys have any favorite non-fiction books um uh i mean i've got plenty that i like i'm not sure what the favorite would be non-fiction books i haven't really got a pic that's a i find that a pretty interesting and valuable book i don't know what my favorite non-fiction book would be i am i need to go fish out my ipad actually because yeah right now i'm kind of blanking it's probably it might be just i think it might be like a book of facts or something like that i'm sorry book 80 or something similar but it's like a book of it's like here's a whole bunch of cool things about the world and i had one that believe it or not isaac asimov wrote and it was really good um but i don't i don't really i don't really read non-fiction that much i read a decent amount of it which makes me annoyed that i can't think of anything right now all right if something does come to mind let me know they assassinated a c-tier character lol they do well they do it to everybody so they'll hit some c-tier characters eventually c-tier uh hi raggles fraggles hi how could you bully the poor innocent popcorn bucket popcorn buckets embarrassing don't you know its purpose is to be an empty vessel waiting for x-product to enter than empty forever waiting for next product to fill it good dog it is quite the thing to go to a movie theater and be like hey you wanna spend an extra cause movie theater food is already grossly overpriced you wanna bust a bucket of popcorn $10 when it's really 67 cents worth of popcorn they charge you 10 bucks for it it's highway robbery and then they say oh you want this bucket do you want this fucking promotional popcorn bucket for black widow look it's got a cask master on the other side you wanna spend 5 or 15 more dollars whatever on this and then you say yes no you lost life failure stanley drank hulk's blood in the ed norton movie and he had a heart attack fairly certainly didn't just become a well adjusted hulk of his own to be fair mixing blood and drinking blood very different i guess they can have their own rules for what happens when you drink the blood but yeah like i said mixing the blood it seems to me is gonna create a lot of well building questions but they're never gonna address cause why not alcohol and rubbing alcohol it's just different yeah group show will peak phase 4 cause the bar is so low well yeah and it shouldn't fuck anything up so but then again yeah never know hey did you check out cuphead dlc it's a masterpiece i've been playing it it's cool but i haven't finished it yet i should busy with maricon yes actually yeah the good vision of echo involves homeland of smashing echoes ears leaving her bleeding on the floor and dying we can at least hope yeah i don't i don't care about echo so i don't hate her either i don't even know anything about this person i don't want anyone to be tortured or whatever it's worse worked out of theater the whole bag that we put in the machine cost three cents the whole the whole bag we put in the surely it's not that low like it's really popcorn is popcorn is dirt cheap especially if you buy in the cheap crap and the massive quantities that theaters do is it really three cents they're making a huge profit then on those that i mean i i always knew they did because like popcorn is cheap you buy that much cheap popcorn in the bulk that they do if you're paying basically nothing but three cents for that massive bag geez because i've used i had to i work concessions in scouts and stuff and one of the things i did was make popcorn and i was like dang it was it was virtually free so it's hard to wow that's incredible so i usually pay 11 euros for i max tickets and get my sweet somewhere else yeah it's tough you're asking me that's the thing movies nowadays i mean it's been this way for a while but covid really sort of hyper accelerated it i feel going to the movie theater to sit in a theater with a bunch of people sometimes who are total losers and it's like 10 12 bucks to see the movie and it's only like 90 minutes two hours a lot of the time generally like two hours and then like the food is 10 bucks for popcorn or whatever it's just it's asking me it's asking a lot it's asking a lot there will be some movies that i will see like i will when avatar comes out i'm seeing that at the theater you know that's a theater movie but i feel like it's got to be a theater movie you know for me to really want to go there uh dearfrongled and shmat the spectacular hound um all right you three have been a blessing to listen to over long and otherwise dreary graveyard shifts your content resonates down the 12th chakra of my bone chromosome bonus chromosome oh nice oh how about that good to hear hope you're doing okay right now on your theoretical graveyard shift in fact that goes for everyone out there who's currently working maybe a stack in a box or moving a thing putting a thing in a thing maybe cutting a thing writing a thing that's about it right that covers everything humans can do uh you know is james gone the only person to get a complete trilogy in a superhero universe besides sam rami i guess hmm well no one uh does that count if it's not a part of anything well i guess if they count sam rami then yeah but wow well sam rami is no part of the mcu right uh the marvels sounds like a cheesy 70s stage band marvel studios the marvels is kind of like a bit of a clunk marvels marvels if we were if we were like a group um if we were a group of superheroes like the three of us and maybe we got a couple you know like five of us maybe i don't know how do marvels would get past the first bunch that you know we approve of i don't think i'd go for the marvels that's also kind of interesting that why why did captain marvel from dc uh from water oh my god why did captain marvel from marvel went out over captain marvel from dc you know what happened hmm oh no as captain shazam as captain marvel at least i was but now he's shazam uh pick one of the following to watch on loop all of disney star wars tv shows and movies or all of marvel phase four plus tv tv shows and movies uh all of marvel phase four is probably gonna be shorter right so you got boba mando season one and two the sequel trilogy rogue one solo is that longer or shorter than what disney's disney's probably got more probably shorter there's one division lowkey orcai oh it's about 50 hours of content right 50 hours worth i'm misheard i think i guess i was thinking something different whichever one's shorter yeah uh i'm not sure which one i'd honestly go with on that one um we'd probably have fun watching the sequels and being like that's dumb that's dumb ha i can't believe they did that now look at his face yeah sure this is a good meme have you guys seen anything related to like does this this this is me make sense to you no it's um there was like a there was this comic where it was like when when like i don't know a woman sees a page oh like yeah i'll leave this for someone like like when when the mom sees that there's like a peach on the table oh there's still one peach left I'll save it for the kids and when the dad sees the peach it's like oh yeah I'm gonna eat that peach it's the last one left yay like as if to shit on him for like eating a peach that's sitting there and I think it was from like a cartoonist who made like a bunch of comics that we're just kind of shitting on men well apparently men don't like when when um when woman comes home with the shopping the man only carries one bag of the woman's carrying like 15 when I don't know yeah men are the one trippers yeah absolutely what family did this person come from and so this is the mean dad ate my peach I it's funny to me because like maybe he fucking gets to have that peach fuck you maybe you want to claim it you should do more to claim it they're just leaving on out in the open to be eaten boy coming home from work hungry sees a peach you know he's like fuck it I'm having a peach it's probably working hard to keep the family going if the family and peaches peach he just once this one's this goddamn peach and he left the core of the peach original peaches have pits of course like that well I'm coming lost that's okay no I can't scroll through Twitter and race Mario card at the same time it's not it's not doable peach pits are poisonous to dogs I think do not let your dog eat a peach pit oh here it is the original comic cartoon thingy the original thing oh look one of the many differences between me and my husband oh look the last right peach I'll save it for the kids they love peaches so much oh look the last right peach I'll use it as a special treat my daily smoothie okay I'm at a grace for his car this is an accurate depiction of our different I don't believe you like did you well like did you grab all of them first and there was just one left and he took what was left or because I just don't believe you this just doesn't seem to be an accurate representation of what happens in the realities of most people someone said it sounds like new guy stuff but it's like yeah a little bit why did you marry him if he's such a piece of shit I think the caption for that um that uh that that that comic was um I wonder oh no I'm not sure I think it's um no I think that's a retweet yeah I don't know I don't understand like it's it's so weirdly mean spirited you could have told them to help you instead of making a comic about it and putting that on the internet to like try and shame him he probably wouldn't even know that you made the comics people who hate you can you imagine oh well anyway go well funnily enough one of my hard drives is like acting up and it's the one that has the source our tiles for the if I've honest right I was just frozen which funnily enough it's just kind of how it used to look hopefully that's not too distracting to anybody you know what I probably shouldn't have highlighted at all and then everything would have been fine but the more positive outlook is just that nothing is destroyed that's good very good that would be that's a scary thing when you're like oh is this hard drive broken well so I had a scare with a hard drive fortunately was the one it was the game one so like that was fine I can just re-download all the game yeah I got it was the one with all the files the images and pictures and document all the documents the documents it was just a good reminder to back up everything on my my external drive yeah this weekend because from what I understand SSDs pretty reliable hard drives will fail up to some time yeah five years average lifespan storage is getting pretty cheap too so it is it's faster they're faster and more reliable and you also have the m.2 ones as well the m2 drives yes I think they're even better than those rags takes such quick he breaks because he doesn't wash in pause I do I do I just I I just walk over IP I wash my hands over and I do and one of the reasons I do is because COVID did kind of get me to start washing my hands a little bit more it kind of put that into my sort of my mind so in plus especially if you're a gamer you should be washing your hands because it keeps the gamer gun coffee or mouse and keyboard that sort of thing it it really is something you should just sort of do semi-regularly a couple times a day every once in a while just go wash your hands and clean your mouse pads to clean those mouse pads I like the idea of you just washing your little paws and under the water run yeah I just I just hop on up there I got I got to I can do it right there in the bathroom or go to my kitchen there's I got options bring you keep doing it from what I understand you got to work on that man oh man that's another one of my recurring the reason why I say from what I understand is to clarify that I could be totally wrong there are some things the information that I believe to be true or what the information I'm operating under as they say this it's like context as you say it yeah I don't see that quite the same as I see other repeated sort of statements I see that as direct information do you want to clarify straight away just this isn't yeah it it's just a little message that goes to say I'm not asserting this is absolute truth and apparently I may be mistaken it's kind of like a softening of the claim that's being made for instance I'm not gonna say from what I understand the sun exists like that's no it's not a statement I'm gonna make I will yeah you would say like from what I understand Uranus has four moons yeah even say with that almost inquisitive and sorry interrogative inflection yeah be like am I like you go into the statement knowing that it might be wrong and as if you're looking to be softly given the correct information as you say it yeah like if you know it better you can feel free to clarify it anytime I think we had talked about it earlier but there was another for one for one reason or another it came into my head recently but when we start out a sentence by saying well and then we pause then we start it I think that's it's just become in the language a way for you to politely interrupt so that you you say well to imply that you want to say something you pause so that the other person can decide if they let you in or not kind of yeah like it's it's so it's almost like the it's this just emergent conversational thing that has occurred because linguistically it doesn't have any meaning I don't think to say well comma da da da da da da da I think it's pure like I don't I don't think that would exist if we didn't speak orally and I think the only reason it exists in text form is because when you read it you know exactly has it sounds because a lot of people like me I don't necessarily type perfectly grammatically accurate I type as one would speak so it just well what shit now I've got the opening what the very least it'll imply that it's gonna be built off of what was just said I think saying well that as well yeah like it's not usually that you go well then you talk about something completely different someone be like well if you want to buy some more time to figure out what you want to say um is the word that you want to train yourself to get off of the reason why I'm not as bad as like um like is I'm I'm I'm less because me saying like that's I fucking hate that I'm trying to sort that out I prefer um to like even though I don't prefer um like I prefer um to like as well yeah it's just better oh my god I can't like is comparing one thing to another this thing is like that thing or it is to express your level of fondness for something I like this and I hate that it has become this filler word that people say so often like like like like yeah like a lot of words see that was fine cuz it was yeah that fine cuz you're saying it's similar to other words yeah good on you mm-hmm and then they fall up saying rags thoughts on Brandon finishing Trump's wall after promising not to brand in a world we live in though yeah Brandon yeah let's go where the meme yeah that's a meme yeah do you not know about let's go Brandon no I don't know that was a big boy meme okay that's all that you missed that the let's go Brandon thing I'm almost almost saying you wouldn't have missed it you may have forgotten it cuz I was just everywhere yeah Brandon the context is there's this like there's a bunch of people chanting at NASCAR fuck you Biden right fuck Joe by that's it yeah and then oh and then it was reported on the news that that wasn't the case was it was they're talking to interviewing someone and he's like trying to cover for it and he wants to make it sound better than it is let's go I think the chick was the presenter and on the other side of the studio it was the guy well yeah very funny though it being they were they were not saying let's go Brandon but that was used to no they're saying words this was a bad idea from the start this is a NASCAR rally nobody likes Joe Biden at the NASCAR rally no one in that fucking like to you hello yeah the border wall thing is interesting I know I only have seen this picture so who knows if it's true I would assume that it it probably is but I don't know hello wonderful e-fappers my favorite part of hating TLJ was finding e-fap thanks for all the laughs and for helping me think more critically about film and TV much love from New Zealand oh it's nice oh hope you're doing well over there how do y'all how do you feel on anyone really being a part of a bad product show slash movie in the sense they were involved in this so I'm not looking forward to their work does that ever come up um they were and I'm never looking forward to their work I think this is a more interesting one it's so like when I hear quotes so like Michael Waldron is he wrote multiverse of madness the story is his fault yes but when when like an actor like Elizabeth Olson says like really bizarre things about the morality of wonder it's like hmm I don't know how that makes me feel you know that's not a script you're not reading a script I was gonna say that I think that wouldn't change my assumption of if she's in something she'll provide good acting you know like the right exactly weird you're a strange person someone said I'm the set designer from MOM I'd be like oh all right yeah exactly you take it in parts right like if somebody was part of a bad film but they wrote a great school for it you know what's what's the what's the problem someone chatter said they found us through Mandalorian through the first people who thought the show was bad they could find like them just like fuck yeah man who's like hardly anybody shitting on Mandalorian especially that first I was gonna say yeah cuz even this applies to season two like we famously upset our audience with season two until they realized we were 100% correct thousand percent correct one billion became an impromptu effap movies right or effap show I can't remember why I decided that we'd record for that one I think cuz we did try it season one it didn't work but season two did I think is it could have worked for season one I guess for whatever reason we weren't in the mindset for it or we were doing other stuff we did like first episode we didn't talk much we just like yeah then we rewatched it and we're like oh this is actually pretty bad yeah that's awesome you know we were more on good side with that one yeah like yeah this is before a lot of stuff came out like that it could be something worthwhile and then yeah it all just it all went wrong aim crashing down the Kang dynasty is this real it's a meme right yeah what are you gonna do the Kang dynasty not a good assume is exact I don't know how you could beat Kang we'll find out they will we'll fire laser at him yeah it'll be a blue being melted like Palpatine Palpatine Palpatine team Palpatine I was just wondering if any of you guys have seen Brick I think it's probably Ryan Johnson's best movie also high rags hi I have not seen Brick Niza have I yeah me three though it's a shame because black Adam is appealing for a lot of the same reasons Dr. Doom is appealing but none of that will be explored here oh yeah I'm sure in his best black Adam is great character yeah black Adam was a slave prior to gaining Egyptian gods powers he rules his own province and believes in might makes right which entrusts him to Shazam yeah he's from what I understand about black Adam the thing that makes him he's like he will pretty zealously defend conduct which is like his home that's his big priority and he will do whatever he can to like to help and protect conduct so he's not he's not selfish in that regard he's he's motivated by that goal that's the same with Namor right he'll zealously defend Atlantis but presumably I don't know anything about Namor really which regular Star Wars characters do you want to bet will cameo in and or I don't know about what cameos there'll be an and or that's part of the reason why I'm kind of interested in it the less the better yeah talking maybe I could see that maybe yeah we'll see if his we'll see if his skin Walker looks any better this time around what uh what rebel people do we think might show up maybe Mon Mothma maybe I imagine in fact I will say that it's probably I would say Mon Mothma is quite likely a contender because she's supposed to be she's like a senator who's really important in helping the rebels and supporting them so she would be yeah I get Leia you know we might yeah how come a Mobi one doesn't visit anymore like he used to no you don't remember him sweetheart okay you forget gotten him now that's right I'm sorry sorry rings of power is the biggest please don't in the history of modern tv yeah pretty much that seems to be the sentiment just just don't they announced like we've seen everyone saying this stuff we're just not gonna release it yeah there you go something people like you know what that was a good decision actually and they're like yeah thanks because they'd have to make four more seasons yeah it's a big commitment isn't that crazy that's such a huge commitment and the reception is so insanely negative before it's out you got you gotta imagine that they've had those I guess the problem is they may well have locked things in like production and actors and yeah all sorts of things that means that they have to do it or that it would be financially ill advised to not do it now the only positive thing I can note from Lord the Rings rings of power trailers and images is that most the orcs are people with practical makeup and effects not that hobbit CGI crap yeah they look good the the orcs look good yeah they do so is that ringy you have been exited exited they mean excited you must I think they mean excited for Loki season two or you'll be melted no I don't I don't like to be melted but I'm not excited anymore because now the CVS still exists right and there's still that place at the end as far as I know yeah you could just be sent there you wouldn't get eaten by the monster right you just get sent to the planet is Aldrin is Aldrin right in the second season or no I don't think so I think he's just moving on to star wars now what's funny is I can I can believe easily that if you said like don't you want to handle the second season of your show he'd be like he does seem like that kind of person like oh man do you want to see what happens next with Doctor Strange do you want to maybe cover the third in his story now that you've kind of written the second he'd be like um how much how much money we talking here they follow up with saying Gus would fit better for Magneto than Professor X I think high rags hi could see I want to see him play a hero I was about to say actually yeah because that would be nice I almost typecasted him in my own head I was like does he suit Professor X at all and it's like wait a minute it wouldn't it wouldn't be that bad to see him try and do a good guy hero type yeah he's I I would prefer to see him play a hero for once because he is now basically the villain guy um yeah which isn't cool because now he's like Charles dance actually the same thing whether you just turn more Charles dance isn't quite villain guy he's authority figure guy it can be good or bad he's such a villain guy that far cry the series that flanderized itself into being the villain the villain had him as the villain they did they absolutely did um like it's it's kind of a shame as well because like Vasa is great he's great and he was underutilized in far cry 3 but I think it almost led to them having this sort of like weird like this this weird course correction where like far cry became the villain series where the villains were like the main attraction and the protagonist were nothing all the while ignoring that like far cry 3 has a story that it's trying to tell with its mate with uh Jason there's a story that they're trying to tell about slipping into insanity and like you know losing yourself amidst a whole bunch of carnage and like forgetting who you are and what matters to you whereas eventually the protagonist far cry 5 I'm pretty sure you just play like a silent protagonist you just doesn't matter um here you are oh someone just uh call it a vanguard is that a pink rifle in a world war two video game no it's purple with a holographic sight believe it or not the holo sights are the least I think they existed back then but I mean it's the fact that it's a it's a pink anime space gun that plays techno music that the character pumps his fists to hell yeah so this is meant to be a world war two like game no this this is this game is meant to sell you shit yeah pretty much um it's it's I I don't like it what happens to just you're a normal soldier you're just a cognitive boring no one likes that boo boo you can't sell people insane amazing skins and animations and music yeah boo with your idea down we don't want that I have to buy things to make me feel special oh yeah we can do dance moves in the middle of this battlefield while all these people are getting gunned down and dying it's what keeps away the PTSD it's just remember how when you died in call of duty they would have quotes that made you think yeah you remember no boring and like the human condition and everything lame yeah that is lame compared to anime guns and dance moves and emotes and sick takedown animations because yeah if there's one thing I think of them when it comes to like world war two it's those crazy takedown animations that they would have had I think the big thing that we've been missing so long is you know they do that goofy nonsense like oh you can pick up some intel if it were Mountain Dew I think that would be better like you pick up the cans and there's different collectible cans and if you get all of them you unlock like a Mountain Dew gun maybe it'll kill your innards and then maybe make that a part of the plotline Mountain Dew is is you know is something going on Mountain Dew yeah because it'll be Fanta because the Germans didn't have Coca-Cola because you know the war and everything they didn't get an access couldn't get access to the sugar and stuff so that's how Fanta came into being is that true yeah wait so what's in here not sugar like a sweetener or something let me find what it is I didn't know that Fanta was was like German I didn't know that uh yes Fanta came as a result of the war uh let's see uh the smart heads of Coca-Cola invented Fanta in Germany because there was a shortage of the ingredients needed to make Coke making no mention of the fact the ingredients were scarce because allies had embargoed the Nazis during the war I did not know that well I like Fanta yeah Fanta's okay um I mean as far as sodas go it's fine uh what what is the origin of Mountain Dew what where that Mountain Dew it's Mountain Dew I know it used to be the Tennessee bottler Tennessee bottlers Barney and Allie Hartman developed Mountain Dew as a mixer in the 1940s soft drinks were sold regionally in the 30s and the Hartmans had difficulty in Knoxville obtaining their preferred soda to mix with liquor preferably whiskey so the two developed their own and I think Mountain Dew itself is a name that refers to moonshine okay and I saw someone ask about Hugo Boss and all about that and I know that Volkswagen it means like people's car and that was a rose in the 30s but I think IBM gets off the hook because when they sold other stuff I think I think IBM is off the hook though I don't know about the IBM stuff earlier I think it was the early 30s when IBM did all this stuff in Germany then they used those machines later for of course the IBM couldn't have known but or maybe they could I don't know probably not but do do do Fanta please review a volume of one piece per week no not even a maybe isn't like one piece being running for like 40 years 5000 years something like that probably I think no I think that would be literally impossible right because they probably produce a new volume but not a new volume like a new issue of one piece every week so it's like yeah you want to just keep doing that until eternity till you dead yeah nah um from the butchering of Lord the Rings we give you the rings of power amazon hey they got to sell it somehow personally I want you guys to react to it because there's no way I can watch this crap otherwise please react and mark rings of power we may it is one of those things that's on the it's on that level of I feel like I should be aware of it and know about it oh yeah definitely I want to be aware of it I just don't know what I'm just oddly apathetic I just I weirdly am like I just don't care about that show at all so odd it's like a moment I've already written it off for something I just you know it's like well maybe it'll activate your almonds when you check it out you know maybe it will it's kind of like halo right I didn't really care that that show existed like and then it came out it's like oh no yeah god that's show fun fact in the old man Logan comic the Hulk impregnates she hulk because she's the only woman capable of carrying his babies to term and not dying wow okay interesting following a lot of the house of dragon production progress since last April I think there's enough choices made to have it at least be decent maybe yeah I mean it could be it could be good right there's no reasons that it's brand new new set of people new new new new new we'll see we'll see what it does house the dragon based on a finished georgia roma in book is a good start yeah that's fair we shall see what is this some kind of dungeons and dragons I know right is you don't expect to see it but there it is as someone who's been shot while wearing a bullet proof vest with sapi plates I can attest that it still hurts a lot yeah I have no doubt that it hurts a lot you're still getting shot yeah I don't know who the new did ever writers related to get the job they were concludes a pretty unknown tv show and deck the halls I am worried it's um it's a really weird thing with a lot of Marvel projects is hey you you've written one movie here you get to be the lead writer of a multimillion dollar television series I don't understand it don't get it like Michael Waldron only had like two writing credits before that he was an assistant on community and like the later seasons he wrote like one movie I think and one episode of rick and morty and then it's like here you go you get to be the lead writer on a massive production with Tom Hiddleston as your lead actor I understand I'm all a bullet resistant no vest is bullet proof did you just actually me take this dash and use it to buy yourself a real actual legitimately genuine lordship title it would be tempting wouldn't it lord rags lord muesli lord muesli sounds a lot like lord melbury you can go to faulty towers and I could prime the room there with your with your briefcase full of I guess instead of bricks it would just be full of like long stuff like just a bunch of rope I guess yes yeah a possible iron heart suit is in a lego set from WF yay get excited be re-willing this is on the way sweet digimon of the day is the kiwi mon kiwi mon uh kiwi mon yeah that looks like about like uh yeah let me show frangie okay let me take a picture here kiwi mon that's cool uh pick to pick a gf cat girl caracal serval or finks cat um sphinx no they just said pinks well but I don't even know how you pronounce that pinks well we talked about the caracal I don't know I I guess you talk about which one's the prettiest I supposed to be the serval right because those are like spotty and they got they're kind of like like cheetah looking sort of servals and sphinxes are sphinxes are odd they're they're a strange looking strange looking critter it's weird to see them without hair you know very strange to see cats without hair if you're writing a story with magic in it set limits on what the magic does then assume everyone who can magic would be using it constantly for instance lawyer plus truth spell also high rags hello no way that would be legal though truth spell if uh if maybe they were the only ones that knew about it and they were a sneaky sneaky lawyer well I mean just as soon as they discover that it's mistrial like well that person should be in jail forever as soon as that gets discovered yeah you've you've that's you violated people you've got the fifth amendment and I guess equivalence in other countries opinions on the bolt legal oh yeah but they're not admissible as evidence you can use them but like you can't like they're not admissible as something you can use to like convict someone uh opinions on the bolt stump in level tumbler locks so what in the like what the bolt stump in level tumbler locks yeah they're pretty good I don't know what that's referring to I'm gonna go with pretty good or maybe pretty bad or neutral one of those Adam kept bringing up consistency Tuesday usually oh on Tuesday usually in a joking way but partly because he seemed salty about you molly whooping him on sunday hi frang's well look he dug himself into that hole I didn't do anything he said what like how could you want consistency over a doc this is like like no no good movie exists with no character rock I think even sitch at one point was just like maybe it's like no you can have movies without character rocks you're insane um I just seem more if it's a fantasy world it may have different laws I could imagine that if like you chose to get up on the stand because of course the the notion the whole point of going up on the stand is like you're telling the truth otherwise you've committed perjury it's like I could imagine that if in a fantasy world if you choose to go up on the stand then that would be something that might be applied but I like in terms of forcing anybody to say anything right presumably that would still not be the case like you still have the right to not say anything the rights you don't have to bear witness against yourself yeah truth spell seems like it violates it violates a bunch of stuff I'm not sure well the principle exists for a good reason you you you have a right to like not you you don't have to incriminate yourself that's something that you can choose to do um yeah bear witness against yourself like in a case against yourself you know also love you guys take on Matt Reeves the batman do you all guys also have any opinions on his planet the apes trilogy I like those films I remember liking them um I remember feeling there were issues but I enjoyed the time I had so Matt Reeves so the question is do we like the Matt Reeves Matt Reeves is the batman that just came out nope and because it's about Planet of the Apes as well like I'm just trying to like I heard I I guess I was just double checking when I was googling what was do we like as one what are our thoughts on the Matt Reeves Planet of the Apes sure what are your thoughts on Matt Reeves Planet of the Apes movies you say it like he didn't actually make Planet of the Apes movies and I'm just curious okay he definitely did okay he did those I have not seen them I hear some of them are pretty neat all right yeah there you go that was your answer I like the batman how's doing the reason why the Russo brothers removed the Hulk scene in Infinity War was because the test screening audience thought the tone was confusing ah whatever what the tone was I mean if you put it in the portion of the fights where this some hope as in like when for example Corvus Glave I think is his name he gets stabbed you know if you have that happening at the same time that Hulk gets a win by doing that it's like that could that can work you can have that moment before everything starts to go to shit permanently you know damn you test audience can't believe you didn't talk about the monsters it's the only great love story of all time lol yeah the red letter media took care of that all right they got a video talking about the Buds does I guess also friggy please say no 10 times in a row thanks no no no no no no no no no no no no that's 10 what's fine just do it oh that was okay that was 10 I know I was just saying I originally I was confused I thought you were denying that you didn't want to do it and over and over and over again very late to the discussion but I think the Astrid part of Thor 11 Thunder was trying to make a point on trans people and dead naming seeing it they would never want to make Thor dead name somebody that would it's not a dead name it's nickname right that's I don't like what I'm saying is it's interpretable possibly but I doubt Tyker would want to make Thor the one who is arguing for dead naming I don't think he'd want to do that I don't think it was intentional I still don't even see how it really follows there was a nickname right it was because I said seeing as Astrid is a feminine name and Heimdall's son chose a masculine name I don't even know that is Astrid feminine or masculine in Norse and is that actually Heimdall's kid's name in Norse I don't know I don't know the facts on any of these and I don't I think it was just like a shitty joke because remember he's like I'm name myself after Axel Rose and it's like oh oh god's a rose and then he's just like don't call yourself Axel you got these like shut up call he's called himself Axel leave him alone you know and I don't think they meant dead naming I like I said I just don't think Tyker would want to make Thor a dead name because that's a big no no um on the two cynical question what about machine for pigs Mueller I feel like you are a little close to my position which is it's overly hated I think it has more to offer story and atmosphere wise than most people think it's not a fantastic horror game but a good horror experience I be inclined to say sure I felt better about it when I recently played it and it's gotta be the fact that that was when I first felt what I did about that game was back when things were better or rather or rather I hadn't played Abnesia rebirth at that point so maybe I didn't appreciate how much worse it could get you know um and I was very happy with like the soundtrack and I think it's like a little game that could in in terms of it's it's not got a lot going for it as much time production it's mainly running on a on its name but they still managed to make something out of it and I think I think I even said that would be one of my suggestions for like for it to be remade and given a bigger grander experience explores it more thoroughly because it's um it's quite quick and simplistic not that um you could say the same for doctor sent to a degree but yeah um I think I I think I was too harsh on machine for pigs at first that is probably fair uh Fringy do you swallow with your eyes no all right maybe the scrolls want to invade earth because the person who genocided the most scrolls in history was carol danvers and earthling way she did she killed a lot of them she killed that spaceship sure but like that was just a portion of scrolls right I don't know yeah I guess so it is kind of funny though that that was the greatest resource of all time they just don't talk about the fact that she just casually fucking blew it up on her way out yeah it's whatever don't worry about it hey muller and co I recently released my first long man video four and a half hours on guild wars two's story and the decline in expansion e-fap has been a big inspiration in making this so thank you well good stuff yeah cool um yeah go ahead go ahead now the hard part is getting eyes on to it it should be suited for the e-fap audience so if anyone is interested search for guild wars two destruction of stakes and give it a watch let's see okay yeah uh if you're gonna break down someone is because guild wars two stories I imagine huge ranks this is a big old chungus game it is I it is shit I play guild wars two pretty a decent amount I hate the story I legitimately do not look forward to any planning to play any of the story content I basically have either hatred or apathy towards all of the characters I don't want to do them there's plenty of reasons why I really like the game and play it a lot but fuck me I hate the story it's shit it is magic bullshit the game there is no stakes to anything it's an and then plot and then and then and this happens and this happens this happens and it's just I hate it I fucking hate the story well really don't I just I hate having to do it because it's not fun to do that that game's strengths is not in the story missions at all and at least with one character you have to go through the story essentially to get to a lot of the areas and everything that they introduce in the the seasons in between the dlc or the expansion packs they're great expansions but fucking hell I hate having to play the story especially going back when I played the old stuff because the games it's gonna hit its 10 year anniversary this year I think and so going back to that that like the core game and like season two and three it's like man that was rough this is just shit I just want to get this over with to unlock the new places and things and zones and then I can do I mean they give you plenty of goodies for doing it but geez I hate it I hate it I hate it the story is shit and the characters are shit if anyone is interested to find out possibly why the story sucks um yeah there's a video called the destruction of stakes for guild wars 2 it's apparently a longman this is by amlith yes four and a half hours apparently yeah I haven't I haven't even gone through the new expansions content yet because I just don't want to I just don't want to I'm not interested in it it and uh story shit if you're gonna make a story don't make it like guild wars 2 combat's great but fuck me the story's bad hey guys first super chat watch fx is the old man with jeff bridges returning to acting post cancer directed by no way homes john watts good rat my rags I didn't even know that john wants it directed it but that's kind of neat and yeah a lot of people recommended the old man I should uh get a way to check that out at some point all right this means they killed hulk there is only bruce and strong bruce now yes there's a lot of people are very uh convinced by that point which is good because maybe one day they'll address it if more and more people are aware of the fact that they fucking murdered the hero without even realizing it like whoops uh prehistoric animal of the day part one and teladont and teladont I recognize that name and teladont oh I think let me take a look here oh yeah he's in walking with beasts you're talking about this guy the uh this this dude yeah look at him he looks I don't know he looks like he could be a friend or a problem good he could be either hmm I hope he's friendly yeah that'll be nice nice the second is opa binia opa binia don't recognize this one it looks like uh all right let me get your picture of him oh he looks similar to the guys from the oh fuck what were they called they're like they're in the walking monsters at the beginning he looks like a variation of them anomalocaris I think was the name which by the way what a fucking cool name unless I'm mixing that up with someone else bushland adventures is way too funny yes it is too funny classic rick and morty bushland adventure hey morty check it out I did some science to me portal gun now it's also a real gun I'm on a real gun morty why are you pointing it at my head Rick you gotta stop me all right I won't tell you about bendigo and the green cube and we gotta go to bendigo to get me green cube we're gonna go to bendigo morty oh rick bendigo isn't that like you know four hours away I think it was eight hours away actually oh rick isn't that eight hours away it's got that whiny kind of voice you don't have that whiny kind of voice you're right I liked nope though other theater goers were like what was the point weird pacing and switch gears midfilm a lot but I was into it all right there you go rewatching the OT in my brain even still separates it from everything else even the prequels I think mine kind of does that a little bit kind of mine does I knew the OT back to front before the prequels even came out so it does kind of feel like it's its own own dude but uh every once in a while you know you're like you look at Luke doing his hero thing and you're like damn you're gonna die you're gonna be pissed man you're heading toward piss hello moola fringu and doggo hello hi all righty well I thought I was that I didn't I didn't hear it did you hear it rags oh I thought I thought I oh my god I'm sure I did I mean his chat didn't hear it either frozen in anticipation uh for some dip pokedex entries look up shuckle and done sparse so okay let's do it when I tell you might as well just paste it so I got them both I could type them out well shuckle is pretty straightforward right oh shuckle and done spar done sparse and they're pretty much spelled as you'd you'd think oh I got them oh shuckle I remember this one and we're are we reading pokedex entries that's all it says yeah all right let me see all righty I'm just making sure that I get one generally what's the one that the x and y basically it looks like um shuckle quietly hides itself under rocks keeping its body concealed inside its hard shell while eating berries it has stored away the berries mix with its body fluids to become a juice oh so it looks like it puts berries inside of its shell and it becomes like a juice that it eats I guess let me get you a picture of a shuckle here by the way I like this this style of um why you're not pasting copy paste there we go you know it's all it kind of has that old school style of pokemon art it does oh I remember him yeah yeah I don't know how to describe it but it just has that look like it's on paper in a way and the next one is done sparse I will copy an image and paste it here for you for context let me see I'm just I'm just giving these a quick skim so that we see it looks like it says yeah it's it's drill tipped tail is used to burrow into the ground backwards this pokemon is known to make its nest in complex shapes deep under the ground so that seems to be the general thread here it digs into the ground with its tail and makes a maze like nest okay so yeah I mean you know no one's getting killed or their soul sucked out or trapped in some sort of cryo prison so yeah it's pretty nice that's nice this is like yeah lives in a hole in the ground and it's pretty uh complex down there sometimes you know if rags is arcanine what pokemon would moll and fringy be for me I'd say that moll would be a lowland executor and fringy would be grovel lowland executor he's a he's a long boy oh a lowland I thought you said a lowland executor but it's here I'll get you a picture if it will let me post this to do copy and paste yeah I could see why they chose that and then fringy um I can also see how they chose that it's a good thing isn't it oh oh yeah I remember him I remember him it's a frog bird he is like a frog bird frog bird and he's green a frog bird hitting all the boxes yeah look at how happy he is he's so chill I can't relate to that new rock stars has a video on Suicide Squad with a happy and chill crazy yeah that's sad and the opening line is so first off Suicide Squad isn't exactly a movie um what oh go go on well that'd be you know I'll go have a look at that maybe maybe it'll do something that'll be funny to cover at some point I don't know uh if I don't like it I don't swallow rat critic it's fair enough yeah yes can't blame a rat critic for that it's okay guys I still like doom's voice it's probably better in gameplay it I mean it fits with what seems to be the tone of the game it's got it's got that cartooniness to it um yeah but it's it wouldn't be the voice that I would use in anything other than that specific kind of scenario because it's certainly not menacing it's it's definitely cartoon villain kind of voice I prefer it in Ultimate Alliance his voice in that um I don't know it's just it's hard to say but it's just more of what I would have expected uh riddle me this four balls on the edge of a long nice the boys season three is paying the finale was very cringe it was it was really bad but to be fair most of the season was bad it's just that everyone apparently only decided that the last episode was bad interesting but you know take a look at the article I hate you Tom Nook oh no this might be one that I have saved and I was gonna do so I hate you I think I can grab to look at it I hate you Tom Nook from thegamer.com by Roxy Hayes from September 19 2021 this is recent um let's see to be honest I don't love everything about the game in fact there is something or someone I loathe entirely a furry little slumlord in a green shirt oh my god that's right I hate you Thomas Nookington better known as Tom Nook what is your problem apparently Tom Nook this is bizarre yeah when you first get on the island you're novice don't know your softwood from your hardwood your money rock from your clay rock and is that a fossil Nook knows that and takes full advantage he looks at you with those beady eyes and says go shake trees and pick up some branches make yourselves useful make yourself useful which is I mean yeah it gets you up and doing stuff and you have to learn those things so um does he offer you a warm bed after your long travels absolutely not he hands you a tent and makes you search the island for a place to put he makes you he makes you decide where to put your 10 I'd rather put your house your house fucking bastard because the tent becomes your house you know you didn't get to do an old animal crossings choose where your house was yeah where that house was is where that fucking house was and if you wanted it close to the store fuck you asshole because you don't get a choice an old animal crossings that was Tom Nook figured you know what I can improve the services on on offer my wonderful customers these towns yeah for my friends this is guy this is gotta be a joke let me I can believe it's not unfortunately um maybe Roxy Hayes is a like I don't know by the way Michael is apparently writing season two of Loki is he apparently that's what he's got listed right now I don't know if maybe a little update and he's not right yeah good thing uh who's the real big bad of Buffy season six also high rags I would say the answer to that could entail spoilers to a degree but you know ask me a question you probably know who the contenders are you you'd know uh well did you know like uh did you know millions like drowned in China well like recently or drowned in China recently millions are you sure I'm I'm not sure what I was referring to like I'll look damn um I found EFAP way back when I saw Maula's soma review and Wolf threw an impromptu stream Ari Willems versus plot holes then at TLJ it came all together the Willems and plot holes thing that's episode two of EFAP right it wasn't named EFAP at that point but oh yeah it was like first couple yeah because the way the story goes is uh we were just hanging out and we were going to stream it and Rags the stream wasn't working so I did it we did a video from Downwood Thrust and Jared and the following week he released that video and I was like wouldn't it be fun if we responded to it live and then the rest is history pretty much with a sultry french accent can you please say a what is it I mean I didn't was that it it's sultry unless that's your sultry voice what okay it was then let's say that all right okay the fringy the frog bird he is not a lover do the mate do the fro the frog bird mating call oh the frog bird mating call I figured that there would be a lot of different because of course birds have a ton of mating calls and I guess frogs might be like I don't know what a ribbit but more I guess like sultry than that yeah can't help you unfortunately I don't I don't know what the the frog bird mating call is exactly yeah what a shame high crew that's Miley face which movie was the most fun to take down hmm oh I thought I thought oh out of all of them the most fun to take down the rise of skywalkers up there that's probably it actually yeah we'd all come to the conclusion already that it was god awful so we were just there to talk about how silly everything was more is not going to do it I was the first one to do it thunder what is this what is this gas lighting I'm getting tonight can't believe it telling me how things are when they ain't how they is terrible uncanny avengers eight has the other Kang's in it or on it all right I'll be excited to see all the Kang's I'm sure IBM had no idea what Germans meant when they asked for a system that can delete six million users I get it eFap out of context their utters are so engorged oh I think they mean others and that's probably in someone's art like Beowyn probably I could understand how that came to be don't forget streamlabs read mine at least what I would read any of the ones that are coming but uh those typically because like they whichever ones have come in today I'll be able to read uh probably the beginning of the Wednesday stream which we're gonna have to do another one of because we're still not quite caught up yet uh read Parasect Pokemon entry in Ultra Sun high rags hello all right what's the Pokemon name Parasect he's one of the classic ones in he is he's one of the uh the og and this will be his entry from what uh I posted it um Ultra Sun oh Ultra Sun all right this is where it starts this is one of some of the fucked up ones the bug is mostly dead with the mushroom on its back having become the main body if the mushroom comes off the bug stops moving that's nice that is hmm so uh is it what was before it it's paris and then paris becomes parasect was there a paris spore what am I huh I'm thinking of something else oh well but I remember some of these I have like really early memories of some of these original pokemon for when those they were the ones you know mm good stuff my point with the truth spell was magical change aspects of society and culture that you might be surprised by also higher the rest of you yeah hello yeah of course oh absolutely I just uh I think me and friend would hope that if his truth spell existed that you wouldn't be allowed to use it in court that would be a significant legal sort of considerations and and consideration for yeah people's rights yeah it would have to be abused and can a truth spell be considered reliable if um I don't know maybe you get wonky results from minds that I have to imagine you know like it would have weird results on maybe the mentally unstable what is the nature of uh because of course the truth spell there are people who can just like flat out make their brains that something false is true that's another yeah yeah how does it work exactly that's how we in it was in what was the movie where she was doing at the end wonder woman was that oh god or no not made of steel sorry that may have started on a justice or something where she had two crooks in her lasso and and made them confess yeah yeah so she had two crooks in the lasso one of them was talking and he was talking to the police and they wrapped up in the lasso and the crook said something and then the other says no no no it was duh duh duh and then the first was oh yeah so which means that the it doesn't make you tell the truth necessarily your force to report what you believe to be true yes which means you could report what's technically an untruth but but you won't lie uh oh yeah that was a huge violation of rights yeah and it's just thrown in ha ha ha isn't it funny oh yeah no she'd be she's fucking wicked the camera would be like so long to your rights oh man so anyways I started violating the United States Constitution um in a comedic comic we see a passport of Dr. Doom's country which is just a picture of him saying allow the ladvarian holder of this passport into your country of face or face the personal wrath of doom I like it I like that that would be his passport that's amusing the other thing you'd wonder if they would ever play into the those aspects of him uh or they would just play him straight I would assume they play him straight I would assume yeah I think it's like when you want to play straight yeah still here after my shift at work save my day oh great thanks we're we're at six and a half hours a nice steady stream problem I have with your pokedex entry comparison is you're comparing frost lass who is a ghost ice type to a dun sparse which is a normal type ghost dark and psychic types are the ones with the darker entries they chose to do that they didn't have to make them that way what do you mean like oh psychic that's inherently gonna have dark fucking entries yeah it's fine that it consumes the souls of men in fact it's its favorite tree it's fine psychic or it's it's a ghost type I'm sorry why is it that we're suggesting then that normal types can't be dark like why doesn't they be dark type moller oh I see why can't normal types be spooky why can't they have soul eating histories they probably is like at least one normal type pokemon that has a history like that isn't um cubone isn't he like ground or normal whatever I think so and yeah everyone was citing him as an example of a dark story so I reject your your your statements I derived your statement handling abilities yes insect of the hour you spinolia militaris you spinolia oh my militarist look at this guy oh wow look at that what a what a critter let me copy and paste here bring you like him let me take a look look at him look at him guy he's cute copy hope he's friendly it's like uh I think it's also called the panda ant ah affection in naming uh read lapras pokedex entry for ruby moon and ultra moon oh my goodness lapras he's one of the original 152 and this is going to be the entries for what versions again that would be ruby moon and ultra moon all right ruby moon ultra moon so rubies is people have driven lapras almost to the point of extinction and the evenings this pokemon is said to sing plantatively as it seeks what few others of its kind still remain wow that is sad damn and uh moon and ultra moon yeah all right these pokemon were once near extinction due to poaching following protective regulations there is now in an over an abundance of them that's good I don't know if you want to have an over abundance of them but like so it's you know it's better than being almost extinct let's see and ultra moon they've been so cherished that there's now an over abundance the fish pokemon population has declined in waters with too many lapras I guess that's what happens yeah yeah hmm lapras lapras I got myself lost where are we I'm all rags and fringy just wondering if you guys talk to wolf and if you do send him a love longtime fan love your work uh we try to avoid mentioning much of whatever may or may not be going on with him because he's he's having he's having a good old fun time sort of escaped from the internet you know a place that is wonderful and filled with fresh air and nice thing and grass which can be touched yes even eaten so oh um um but yeah good stuff uh look fringy I don't know who you are but you look like a top bloke and I know this is weird to say but I feel a strong bond between us I rags hello you got a friend fringy yeah hey hi that great look at you make friends hello got all happy shiba inu sticker gotta love it nice dude um and finally if a child it has made friends with his bullied drampa will find the bully's house and burn it to the ground a normal type dragon type drampa ultrason well there you go the normal ones do crazy shit too like burning down bully's houses burning she's hardcore um and yeah that means we are caught up for today's super chance oh wow how about that we are likely going to call it there but before you uh you guys want to talk a little bit at all about anything you may be up to no I'm up to a little thing but I won't say what it is uh it's been really fun to make and I should hopefully have some nifty little uh need to do little assets as well that come along with it that I can put to use just work and I don't have anything yet but hopefully soon that'll be nice fair enough uh the the thing I'm working on I might um tell a bit more about it next week okay see if it gets far enough that I'll start being a little bit more detailed on how it's doing and what it is um curious but yeah you know uh well I mean that's that's that I suppose what a what a fun time what fun it's that six half hours went a little faster than I ever would have expected it was a six half hours you know yeah kind of went by coming so much uh one more came in asking uh what raid configuration do you use raid configuration I feel like that's a tech thing that I just don't oh I thought they were asking like maybe raid shadow legends like configuration of heroes or some no raid so raid is random array of independent disks and it's like this computer thing and you can configure them in different way it's like a computer thing and I just don't know what that means I yeah I don't I'm out of the loop on that one whatever the default thing is I guess I'm not real I'm just not a tech guy I don't uh I can run a computer pretty well but just for normal things uh bring you can back me up on this but warriors of virtue is a better adaptation of Tolkien's work than rings of power also hi rags hello that doesn't ring a bell warriors of virtue huh war is a virtue warriors of virtue that doesn't ring a bell warriors of virtue yeah that doesn't ring a bell well on that note thank you all so much for joining us we shall see you again absolutely Wednesday and probably the plan just do a little bit of the catching up and then um other than that you'll find me on real bvc and open bar next week good god I've got a lot of streams to do next week uh and we are closing in on the anniversary stream that will be the 27th atler is trash goodbye everyone oh my god and a stream like that madness so anyway thanks for watching thanks for the kind donations keeping this company giving us some bits and bobs to go back and forth with you have yourselves a good night now goodbye yeah boy boy you know what you will actually before someone just posted this jared lito has reportedly been cast as the hat box ghost in disney's haunted mansion can't wait to see how much i can now celebrate everyone going nuts that's the best news ever i'm glad he's got something going on it's hat box time i can't wait for us to go to the haunted house and he opens up his box he's like it's morphing time and then he the spooky ghost come out of the box his hat box where he keeps hats you don't see many hat boxes these days those uh those aren't you have to explain to people what a hat box is it's like well it's a box to put your hat in so it doesn't get smooshed bye thanks for coming to e-fap everyone