 So Erica, just Erica start. Yep. Okay. You're muted. Right out of the gate. Here we go. Greetings, everybody. Now I've lost my texts. So bear with me a moment. Here we go. Welcome to the Amherst design reward meeting of September 28, 2022. My name is Erica Zika's. And I am chair of the Amherst design reward. And I'm calling this meeting to order at five or three PM. And I'd just like to start by thanking Catherine Porter for her. Years of able and generous service as chair of the board. And I'm stepping into her big shoes. With this meeting. I was actually an accidental moderator. But never mind. Carry on. So the meeting is being recorded and will be made available via the town of Amherst YouTube channel. Minutes are being taken. And then we'll move on to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021 and the extent and extended by chapter 22 of the acts of 2022 and extended again by the state legislature on July 16, 2022. 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If you have joined the zoom meeting using a telephone, please indicate that you wish to make a comment by pressing star nine on your telephone. When called on, please identify yourself by stating your full name and address and put yourself back on mute when finished speaking. Residents can express their views for up to three minutes or at the discretion of the chair. If a speaker does not comply with those guidelines or exceeds their a lot of time, their participation will be disconnected from the meeting. Maureen, should I list out the agenda items here? You could just list the first application. Okay. And then when we're moving on to the next one, then you can list the second one and so forth. Excellent. Excellent. All right. So we have four proposals to review tonight. The first one of which is DRB FY. 202 306 quints quench juice cafe. At 19 North Pleasant street. And I believe we have. I think we have. I think we have. Chandra here and. If you could turn your microphone on and your camera on and, and then indicate if there's anyone else. Representing. Hi, yes. This is Chandra and my partner, Janice, the quench. And is there anyone else. Representing you. Okay. Yeah. They're here. Okay. I'll make them a panelist. And is there anyone else? I think they're like, if he's on Chris Gregorius, he's the. Yeah. Make him a panelist. I'm trying to. Chuck, you're muted. And Chris. Okay. No, Chris is coming over. Okay. So. Give everyone a minute here. Hello. Hi. So everyone wants to. State your name and your. Address for the record. And if you could share your screen. To show and explain your proposal to the board. Chuck. Okay. My name is Chuck Martins. I am the person contracted to do the quench. Sign. For. You know, the people with the quench there. And I'm just involved just to answer any questions as far as. You know, any questions you have about the sign itself. Specifically. So, um, Shandra or does anybody else would, could you present your proposal to the board? Do you could maybe screen share and. Show us the design and talk us through it. Do you have a, do you have a copy of the design with you, Chuck, the measurements perhaps or anything like that? I have, I have, um, I have it. The thing is I'm not at my shop. I'm home from COVID. So I'm on my laptop. I do have it in the Chrome remote, but it's in another screen. I'm not quite sure how to get that to you unless I go there. And then I'm really not big on like. I'm not very knowledgeable about zoom. So I apologize. Okay. I know the sign itself is 23 by 88, 88.6. And would any of you happen to have a picture of it? This was submitted. Yeah, it looks like more, more. Right there. Thanks, Martin. And I apologize. Like I said, my whole shop is shut down this week. It's just still going on. So the sign is basically a backlit with L and D's. Just a box sign. Well, profile probably about three inches wide. With acrylic face and translucent graphics. And is that the only sign being proposed the one over the doorway? Correct. So far as the exterior, I'm not quite sure what's going on on the inside yet. And to our business owners, are you considering any other signage on the door, say for hours or. It's all on the temporary sides now, but we know that those kids stay. So. Yeah. So we do have some decals that will go in the door. And the windows. They look similar to actually the coming there. Yeah. Coming soon sign. So there'll be, I believe the decals were, Chris, do you want to comment on the art? Yeah, sure. It's just going to be some window lettering decals. It's not going to be anything like what you're seeing there now. It's not going to be nearly as big, right? We're only going to occupy maybe. 15% of the window space, I believe with lettering and exactly like you suggested Erica hours, website address, social media pages, et cetera. So if I may, the, the, the, the role of the design review board is to. Review exterior changes. So. That's visible from the exterior. So little lettering and all that. Should be if possible, if you have that to show the board. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At tonight's meeting that, that would be very helpful for their review. We don't have that today, Maureen. Yeah. Unfortunately. I wasn't. Contracted to do with the vinyl graphics. So I don't have anything to show for that. But if you do need something, I'd be more than happy to help them out. You know. Later or tomorrow and send you. You know, what is planned and what's on the table for today, but this just advised that. You could come back to the board when you have. We could do the next meeting, perhaps. Okay. Hey, Chris. Well, I mean, would it be acceptable to show what we do at other, other quench stores? Cause it's very similar to that. No. And Chris. Can you comment on that? Is that sufficient? I don't know. I think it would be. It should be site specific. I mean, it's helpful to reference, but that's not specific to this particular storefront. No worries. We'll just make the next meeting. That's all. Great. Great. No big deal. So is there anything else that you'd like to add about the, the box sign. Above the door. No, no. Okay. So then I will. Open the floor to the DRB members. Lindsay and Catherine, if you have anything, Lindsay, would you like to jump in? Yeah. First of all, I'm excited to see this business coming to Amherst. So. Thank you. Welcome and thank you. So I am curious about the black. Panel. I'm not sure if there's, is the proposal to have essentially three panels. So you'd have. The black over the windows at the street front. And then the sign that's the backlit sign kind of at that opening. Is that the idea that you'd have essentially three panels? Well, the black is already there. We'll probably touch up the black paint that's already existing. Yeah, that's all I was aware of was that the facial is going to be redone. Excuse me. I didn't move them through. And then I was just going to build the sign and put it up right there where it sits in the summer. So would the sign sit essentially proud of the back panel that's already existing and continuous along the face of the storefront? Yes, it's basically going right where it sits. Okay. It's not being set inside of that. No, it's going to project three inches. So. Yes, my thought is, you know, I see the black being. Consistent with the. With the base of the storefront. There's the green with the black trim. And then there's the white. And then there's the white. And then there's the white of the. The millions around the windows. And the black frame around that portion of the signage. At the top. But given your sign, I feel like it might. It might be worth just looking at what would happen if you painted that. White. The panel inside the frame so that you had a continuous band of signs. And then there's the white to match the background of the quench sign. And I recognize that it's going to be backlit. So it'll have a different appearance. But I just think it might brighten it and give it a stronger presence. And you as across that entire length, not the frame around. The signage panel, but the panel that's behind the. The sign. The black frame around the screen. And then there's the white frame. And then there's the white frame around the back of the windows. Does that make sense? Yes. We'd also have to get landlord approval. Lindsay for that. Cause I think they want the continuity to look the same as well. So yeah, we'd have to speak to Lincoln real estate, but yeah, sure. What do other design review board members think about idea. Catherine, any thoughts to share? Yeah. Well, I see your point. panel white. I would go with that if we decided that might be the best way to do it, but obviously they have a challenge with the landlord. My question is how you have quench and then juice cafe. If the lettering on the on the sign will with the black print for the juice cafe will be a little bolder because it doesn't stand out very much back. I had to get up put my nose up to see what exactly. So I don't know from the street if it will be if it will be noticeable or if that's the nature of the signs that you have on other stores, but I know whether that call. I don't know if anybody else felt that seemed to be a little weak in the strength of the lettering, but I would suggest a little stronger lettering of juice would I be okay to respond to that possibly. So that was the that was their corporate logo that was supplied. But if they are open to it, I'd be happy to maybe beef up the juice bar a tiny bit with a tiny like maybe a little bit of a stroke just to enhance it a tiny bit. But that would be up to know Chris and the ladies. I usually don't try to interfere with corporate logos. I miss Porter. This is Chris. I agree with you. I think you definitely be bolded and perhaps even font it to to match perhaps even shot a little bit more of the quench font. But yes, I agree with you, ma'am. It should be bolder or even the font, you know, the orange font in the window is there. That's a little bold. Seems like it stands out a little more the orange than the gray. Yeah, I think we recognize that it is it can it can be tricky to suggest changing a corporate logo decided elsewhere. And so respect that you would take our recommendations and understand that if they don't meet with approval, either at the corporate level or the landlord level, that we would be happy with the sign as suggested today. But I think that if I'm hearing my fellow board members, the recommendations are to request paint painting the store fascia white to match the background of the sign to create a continuous band of white and then a second recommendation is to bold juice cafe on that side. And I'm open to anything they need. I'm going to work with them on any color changes, etc. So I'm here for whoever needs me. Okay. I'll add that I don't think that either either point of recommendation are deal breakers or requirements on from my perspective. It looks great. And it's more just a suggestion of consideration. Yeah. Is there any anything to add Catherine or Lindsey? Could I ask one of you to move approval of the sign with recommendations? I move approval of the sign with recommendations. A second. Wonderful. So all in favor. Wonderful. Thanks, quench. Thank you very much. Thank you again for the door signs or any vinyl signage. Yes, we're going to get on that next meeting. I'll arrange it with Chuck will come up to some proofs and do a new design at review application and submit that for the next meeting. Yeah. Great. Yeah. So you could just email those sign plans and we can keep it under this application. So just email those when you're ready email them to me and then we can set up a meeting. Okay. And also Chris, just so you know, let me know if you do want to move make any slight changes as suggested and I'd be happy to work with you on that. Okay. Thank you so much. No worries. All right. Bye. Bye. Thank you. Bye. Thank you. I really need to stay. I mean, not maybe not for this one, but I think I'm involved with Sam from the other. Oh, he's next. Great timing. Might as well. All right. So the next agenda item is DRB FY202 307 hearing from Sam Dong of Laohu Tong restaurant. And let me make Sam, I'll make Sam a panelist in one second. Hi, Sam. Welcome. Hi. Hi. How are you? Hi, Sam. How are you? Thank you, Chuck. This is my first time using a Zoom meeting. So if I do something not really good, let's just let me know. Okay. You're doing great. Okay. Welcome. And Maureen is screen sharing. Can you see the what the picture she's sharing of your restaurant? Yes, I do. Great. You want to walk us through your proposed changes? Would you like me to speak since I basically am the one that knows exactly what's being done? Oh, I think at least yes, yes, yes, sure. So okay, well, thank you respectfully. So basically, what we're doing here is basically we're reusing the same exact framework that was there. We're going to restretch it with a new material and then just apply their logo. It's still going to have the scallops on the front bottom, as you can see. The scallop will reach the balance and it'll just have, you know, vinyl graphics as decoration. How about the, oh, can I ask a question, Erica? Yeah, I think I was just going to ask Sam if he had anything to add and then I'll circle back. Just can I say something? Please, yes. Okay, so because I was already talking with my partner already, so we just follow everything like this picture. We're not going to change anything and then we're not going to add anything just like the picture. Yes. Okay, great. Thank you. Now I'll ask the design review board members to comment. Catherine, do you want to start us off? I wanted to say I like the color and what we have found over the years with design review board decisions is it's really hard to be sure of getting the legitimate color and particularly in an awning because next door to this or what are two doors up was a restaurant that showed us one color and when the awning went up it was a totally different color than what we had anticipated it would be. So I guess to the point is how sure can we be that this would be the color of the awning. It's, I think it's beautiful and with the trim around the building, the doors, it's going to be very I think stunning just that how much variation could we possibly expect with this color. Now that's my impression others may have different. So I'll put that out there and then you know we can talk about it I guess. Can I answer that real quick? Yeah. So basically it's a burgundy the color and I'd be happy to take a picture of the actual color and shoot you an email of the color swatch. I can't recall because it's been so long we've been in like we basically started this contract a few months ago and it's been kind of going through the system and so I can't really recall if I gave Sam a color swatch or not. Did I give you a swatch Sam when you were at my office of the color? Yes we are all good good with this color. This color is kind of you know kind of in our Chinese just China the red color is very good the main is very good for everything so we like this color just so would you would I think what they want to know is if they can see possibly a swatch is that what you'd like to see to make sure there's no deviation? I'm not convinced that we need to see a color swatch. I just want to make sure. I think that maybe if Catherine forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn here but you know burgundy versus bright red like can we trust that we have a kind of collective? Yes it'll be burgundy. Then with the trim on the building also be matching are you going to repaint the trimming because that would be one at all I would assume you'd want it all in the same color. Well I could make a recommendation he could take a color swatch of the canopy material and just bring it to the paint store and have them you know match it with the computer system they have which may work perfect. Sure great and Lindsay? I was going to make a similar comment about matching I don't feel too concerned about the exact shade of red that is the awning but I do have some concerns about the potential for the two reds to clash so and I don't think they necessarily need to be exactly the same but I do think having an awareness of whether or not they're compatible is important though I do like how in the in the photo there's a slightly lighter red tone I'm sure that's just the way the photo is or the color that's there I was working with the shadows and it's all looking okay but I might suggest yeah either matching or going a couple shades lighter with the same color so I like how it looks like it's in the same color family as the burgundy but it's just a a couple shades lighter so I think that makes it pop but we just don't want the two reds to clash so I would recommend something along those lines where the the color of the red on the on the wall or the storefront and the door is painted to be consistent with the awning yeah that's what we would do we would make it all burgundy yeah um and then my other question is regarding the scalloping I think that the signage looks really nice I like the stepping of the frame such that the portion of the awning over the door pops up higher I see that that's how the lone wolf was and I think that's a nice thing to retain um the scalloping though I I question because I think the way that that valence wears over time can be problematic especially with the lettering of the signage being located along that valence and so I wonder if there's um if there's an option to provide an additional kind of band of frame that that that valence attaches to I think to my eye if I were designing this I would just say like let that valence be a straight up cross line that's secured to another bar of structure that's part of the awning just so that that valence doesn't become loose and kind of wavy the way that it appears in the lone wolf especially given that the lettering will be harder to read if that that happens over time um so you know obviously that involves a bit of structural not structural but um you know an additional bit of framing that may or may not be available right now but I just I would I would question whether or not there's a benefit to having that kind of valence uh feature if there's a way to to even lose that valence or just make it make the lettering sit above it um I just I get concerned about that kind of wearing over time can I answer that real quick sure so the material that I'm using is a little more rigid than the one that you see in the original picture um and that valence the shape that you see there is actually just a mock-up it was just us trying to follow the old valence so that's not really the exact shape of it and if you prefer we could actually keep the bottom straight as well but to add more framework to that structure is going to become like a really big project uh which I don't think Sam is accounting for as far as financial uh you know procurement for the initial contract so if he's willing to visit that I think we're capable of fabricating and you know I could look at it with him but again that would be up with Sam it's financially as far as that goes but anything I can do to you know keep the board happy and work with you on I'm more than happy to visit any ideas and thoughts okay so Lindsay how do you feel about if the if the if the valence wasn't more strongly structured to remain rigid a straight edge would that assuage your worry about the the wear over time um I think that it might just look cleaner overall um that's my my preference from a design standpoint I don't know that it will necessarily change whether or not there's that kind of wrinkling or waving that will happen but it sounds like the fabric that you're using is is engineered to try to resist that as much as possible so I don't know what do other people think about the scalloping versus a straight edge I definitely would like straight edge I I think it would look a little better so yeah that if I was my boat would be uh straight edge if it's possible without doing any elaborate you know no that wouldn't affect him at all as far as you know anything to do with the finances you know yeah we're just doing a different that sorry I apologize no sorry it's it's a zoom thing um I agree I think a straight edge would be a nice compliment to the the circle logo um and I also think that it would because they're you know the the lettering um is Sarah font I think it'll make it easier to read so I would also vote for a straight edge on that valence um could I take a pass at summarizing our our yeah please how about lettering on the door right are we going to have any more something on the windows or something on the door we would have to see that I think Sam do you have a response oh yes just kind of we you guys just talk about kind of how that kind of make people easy to see the the name because you know we still work on it probably we have to put a kind of some something special on the windows kind of you'll be made people easy to see kind of our logo in the name for our online do you guys know my name yeah yeah so you you would um since you're not presenting it tonight if you want to have additional signage on the door or windows you can come back to the design review board yes yes I already asked the journey for about net issues and the journey for just let me make a lot of designing for the windows so I still work on it and I'll be asking the journey for more detail about the window design application but the only interest kind of we're all good just keep the same size and then the same shape and the same color with this design okay good okay so tonight we will approve the awning with recommendations and you can we can do the doors and windows it'll be the same logo and things which you still should come back to the design review board one more time and Sam if you need sorry if you need help with the design what we know for the windows in the glass oh okay sure sure thank you Tom yep no problem so Lindsay or Catherine any other things to add before we summarize and no okay we just say similar to the last one I think it looks really nice and I'm excited to see the restaurant coming to town um and these recommendations in my mind at least are very minor and nothing that would be a deal breaker great okay so the recommend if I could summarize the recommendations are that we would like to see that awning have the front edge the valence of the awning have a straight edge and then the second recommendation is to ensure color compatibility between the awning and the red pink on the facade yes and the suggestion is to stay in the burgundy family yes um either the same color or one or two shades lighter did I capture that yes okay yeah I'm really excited to see something coming into the little location by the way this is very great um okay so is there a motion to approve this uh proposal with the recommendations I so move in the second second great can we vote all in favor say aye hi and Chuck's joined in the board thank you very much thanks for your presentation tonight can I say something to everybody I want to thank all you ladies for your time and thanks for you know working with us and we hope to you know work well with you in the future on any other first you know future projects and if you ever have any questions I did have one other question do you need to see the mock-up with the straight valence still okay I just want to make sure yes yep we're all set okay well thank you very much thank you hope you can talk soon okay yes I'll be talking right maybe maybe see you tomorrow okay yep bye oh wait you can't see me tomorrow I have our shop is shut down due to covid so you can't come to my shop tomorrow oh let's find another schedule so maybe next week next week but we can still finalize stuff via zoom in email sorry ladies thank you we'll talk on our own after but thank you all I appreciate you all right thanks so much have a nice evening all right the next item on the agenda tonight is drb fy 2023 08 protocol hammers llc at one east pleasant street how are you doing this evening all right thanks we hope that you can um screen share and share your proposal with us and if you can't then I think orin could queue it up I'll be able to thank you all right thanks all right are you able to see that all right so um protocol is going to go into one east pleasant street and right down it's the building that also has aya in it um it is going to be a cocktail bar um we're excited about the space it has really tall ceilings inside about 14 foot tall ceilings with a lot of glass there's going to be we have over 400 plants in the space it's going to use some oak wood in the space as well as well as uh copper and so it's going to be this kind of natural um feel with the the plants in the copper and then today we're presenting some outdoor material to you all um to get approval so this is the location at one east pleasant street in the red box I've highlighted the kind of the window bays you'll see there's three on the north side of the building and there's five that run down the west side of the building here's a view I just took from um google street view I get a little close-up vision of it and then one looking just on the west side you can see those five bays that I'd mentioned the primary entrance is is right here on the west side and then the north side has a emergency exit exit only door and so we're presenting to you today is each one of these window bays we want to put in a planter the bays are about 10 feet wide and so the planters we look to occupy that full space and you'll see a little bit indented from the from the sidewalk so they'll still be that visual pullback as you're walking down the street the other thing that we wanted to include was a blade sign locating and kind of indicating our front door entrance over here the outdoor planters are all insulated they're made of poly stream and then have a polyuria coating on it similar to like the truck beds so it's a robust material that's used to being outdoors does not crack does not get graffitied easily and then also can kind of insulate the plants that are going to be planted inside the blade sign what we're going to do is use some of the materials from the inside the natural copper to kind of create a 30 inch by 30 inch square and cut out our logo that kind of wraps which we'll see in a second so this was a early on going through the branding package what we were looking at for our blade sign something that was a square that kind of matched the similar aesthetic to aya just the square blade coming off in front of their door and so we have the protocol wrapping around with kind of the negative space in the lower left corner what we're trying to do is instead of this black material we want to do copper there and then the font being a punched out logo with an interior light to come through so these are the planters that we have picked out once again they're insulated and pretty robust material and these are the plants that we've picked out so it's just this native grass to the area they grow nice and tall during the summer and then for the winter time we'd be looking we trim it back it still looks really nice once it gets trimmed back we'll provide something that can handle the new england winter still it works really well in our climate zone 5b and we do like that it's locally sourced and native and then this is the final cut out logo that we're going to use that 90 degree turn version of a logo so I'll open it up to you any questions and before we do here I go thank you great just a question to clarify if you could go back to the facade image um the dimensions of the planter 10 feet wide to fill the bay and 30 inches 42 inches high okay um are there any clarifying questions before we jump into discussion oh go ahead Catherine well uh the height of the sign is there a standard I forget is there a standard height um right now the sign looks like somebody walked by they could clunk themselves so I'm assuming that it's going to be I don't know how high how how high off the ground we don't have a designated height as of right now um but we would definitely want it will have it up high enough um yeah we did talk about um trying to match IO but if you've been to this um past this building you'll notice the grade kind of um dips so we were trying to figure out exactly the height and it might be we wanted to get it high enough so people couldn't touch the sign um well okay that that's good yeah yeah there's definitely a a minimum right you can't bump your head on that's designed by code but I appreciate the locating it carefully all right so conversation or discussion um Lindsay or Catherine do you want to jump in well I will say I was a little skeptical when when the proposal came through about planters because I've seen so many uh proposals people make about having plants and gardens and every hanging and whatever and they don't carry through so I was a little worried but now that you identify grasses that uh should be almost year round uh probably if you're going to cut them back they'll look a little chopped off for a while but uh I think better than flowers something of that sort so if you're going to go go with it um a grass seems uh reasonable and uh it'll be up to you to keep your word that you'll keep the planters looking good because if they don't look good they become ashtrays and garbage pits and everything else and you've got quite a few of them there so hopefully it'll look good absolutely yeah we definitely wanted to try to take something that would um look good but minimize maintenance because we understand the right effort that would take our staff to maintain yeah what is the actual material of the panel on the planter face it's a um so they use a poly stream which is like a foam that insulates and then they cover the poly stream with polyurea um it's the um I don't know what the brand name is but they use it for truck bed liners so if you if you get a new truck and you wanted to protect your um the material you can spray it on it's like um it has a little bit of an abrasion to it and it's it's really rough and kind of protects your truck bed so they've just applied it here to the planters is that existing or is that proposed uh that is so these are the planters the planter view um that's what the the website we're using these it's called polystone planters okay I could see that in the presentation I just wasn't sure if you were adding a panel to the face of that or if that's the finish that's shown is what yes that this is the finish and we're gonna go with a gray granite so this is the actual coloring got it thank you for clarifying I think that will look really nice and I like the grasses um and the rhythm of it throughout the the front of the of the space and then the sign when you say it's going to be um backlit but also cut out I'm a little confused about that so where the letters are shown in that image it will be basically there will be no material there no material negative space and then the rest of the sign is lit is that so we were um so this uh the cut out yes that'll be a negative space for the protocol um and then the material that you'll see is copper with a seal on it so it doesn't um weather over time and then the light will be from within and kind of illuminate the the lettering got it and that'll be two-sided we've had a hard time trying to find a signed manufacturer to do this but we do have a local uh metal smith that we've been working with um and neither him nor nor I are good at um kind of doing design on on the on the computer so this is the best we got this from our brand creator uh done it's very helpful I think it looks really nice um and I I I can envision what you're describing pretty clearly um I'm curious about the copper so that's the that's the finish on the IS sign as well uh I uh has um a different different material um what we were trying to mimic for the IS sign is is the blade concept in about the the same size as their sign the mounting is is similar as well IS sign is I think it's a I don't know what the materiality is but it's gray and it has their letters I'm not sure that it's interior lit I can't remember actually but it is it is lit it's lit okay I work with them to get wiring uh I also do work with the buildings there so I help them get the wiring electrical boom yeah so the the mounting is similar the the two arms and the face plate yeah that is a consistent which I appreciate um so so just coming back to the copper is it um is it like a will it be like a shiny copper is it a yeah I'm gonna use like a um a sheet copper that um sometimes gets used for uh roofing uh so it's going to be uh like a shiny copper that has a sealant on it that keeps it from from weathering over time okay um yeah I mean I generally like copper I think that's a cool design you know for a sign in terms of just an isolation I guess my only question is how that relates to the rest of the building I think that most of the finishes on that building if I remember correctly maybe go to photo by the black powder coated black is that correct yeah there's some of the the down lighting um cans are black try to find a picture here's a couple of them yeah I think it could be a nice compliment so I'm good with that yeah we were we were talking about um to cap because uh obviously we'll use the two different sides and we'll have to do something internally to keep um because the 90 degree turn will yeah we'll be in so the 90 degree turn looking to the north will be like this and the 90 degree turn looking to the south will obviously be on the other side so we'll have to have some divider in the middle um and then we were thinking about capping both the top and the sides with some sort of like a rostial which would be a little bit more closer to that black can material this was a little bit of a problem we were trying to we were hitting with local sign it's a little bit more detailed but we really really really like the copper material and the interior of the bar has a 50 foot long copper bar top so it's a kind of a prominent part of the space that we wanted to echo outside right I think that's great I I guess I would say yeah I think having the the the anchors you know the bars that attach back to the building so that would be like a black powder coated black just like that yeah I like that I think that would work well with the with the rest of the design and then I suggest that the frame also be the powder coated black and then you have your copper face plates okay it kind of makes the rest of the copper pop to kind of get the highlight and then if you could flip back to the building elevation one more time the IS sign is aligned with we can't see it here the bus is right in front of it but um yeah oh yeah it's on it's on the oh yeah we can't see it on the post and in alignment with that the panel just below the windows and I would suggest to match that then you would be consistent for the building yeah we were looking at doing that and then the the gray drop from that that south end of the building to the north end of the building off the top of my head I would say is probably 18 inches and and it is dramatic because we I tried to do that originally and we went there to look at it and it um it looks it is really high up and it just it kind of looks off if you're on the sidewalk we were we were looking at it as almost where this the can light is is a good height because you'll see the door right here uh is uh about uh tall 70 tall uh I think it's more like about 80 foot or so but um we just didn't want to put it up too too high um because it looked different it looked weird for the sidewalk um and since we are backlighting it we did want to keep it away from the the residences above so where are you proposing it right at the height of that that uh can light so switch that light would go away yes so we'd use the uh power source for that uh to light the side okay so I have an issue with that because the can light lights the sidewalk right it serves I think they're down lights they are down and so if you remove that then you have a a dark spot right at your entryway and I I don't think that I think would have to either go above the can light um or your sign would have to incorporate some down lighting because I'm not convinced unfortunate design thing to contend with yeah that's it because that doesn't make sense in terms of where you'd want signage but Erica you don't want to lose that light you looked at it below and it was too low you would hit it and then yeah below is not okay so it's either above or your sign would have to incorporate some kind of down light feature I would think you mean on the underside of the sign yeah we do have uh just to know we do have down lights you can see the cans in between the window base um I don't know if that helps at all well could you uh are those lights on now I mean um even though the restaurant even though the bar's not there are those lights typically on anyway lighting the sidewalk yes could you uh play around with removing you know turning that one off and just get a sense of where light might be needed because I think we've got a little issue here oh yes I would just as a second point if if we're able to reconcile the light issue what are your thoughts on aligning the top edge at least with that panel datum that Erica's comments referenced so sliding it all the way up so the red line bench is aligned with that red yeah exactly um that gets it at least to be related to that at least at some you know some in some way um and then I wonder if what's the height of it 30 inches okay so so I would say at least that I think that it just if we were to take the the light the loss of that light extra out of the equation I do think that sliding it up um would be would be good I don't think it necessarily needs to be aligned exactly what the eye of but I think having it um aligned with that bottom edge would be good yeah well we had tried to do um here the most natural spot for the height was where I placed it and I tried to align it with the top of the downlit cans yeah I think that's another that's another you know it's I think you know to Lindsay's point like trying to align it with something on the building and so in this case if you're aligning it with the top of the pan lights I think that that's one that's a doable feature but if you thought oh it should be higher then the next step up would be to align it with um the soffit basically because you will get you know we're trying to hit it um if it's low enough and it's looking like it's if it's eight feet I don't know yeah I think I think I agree with Erica I think you know obviously aligning it with something is great um but what is the question and um personally I think pulling it up just above those lights gives it a little bit more of a presence especially given that the storefront head is kind of at that at that line it feels like it wants to be there just visually um would it be helpful to see a street view from the entrance of one end of the building or both ends of the building to see the IS sign from that perspective I think the the point here is that the IS sign that that location is the one that I suggested but Dylan's response was that because the grade dropped so much that's too high it's just yeah so we could rule out yeah so to see that with that I don't know if that would be helpful to see that in the street view I don't know if that would help this discussion my sense is that um Dylan you may have to come back anyways because you're also not proposing like that our previous presenter tonight you're not proposing any door or window signage and I suspect that you're going to have some so we don't want to do any door or windows nothing um we wanted flexibility we don't want to post hours we'll keep it online we just okay want to keep flexibility in that case in that case then Maureen yes because we could keep this to one one meeting that you would like to see the street yeah okay yeah sure give me a one second I'm going to check out is that remember the elevations I gave you of the building um I'm trying to find that because that'll give us a reference of how those windows are measured in height so I think they'll give us an idea of how tall the sign would be if it was off in that soffit band oh good I'll see if I can't dig that up over top so are you working with Camille Peters uh for the uh your metalwork the signage uh no we're working with blue collar artisans um and Mike pool he's done a great job he did our um if anyone's been in the lobby of one he's pleasant we have like this glass um leasing office and he did all the steel work for that internally and made planter he's a phenomenal local um uh metal smith that's great um oh i'm gonna stop your share and share my screen um oops sorry um so this is the door between these within this bay right here and then the is sign yeah you can see yeah I don't think my I don't think my opinion changes at all I'd say is still aligning with some feature of the building either the location of the the the elevation of the is sign the underside of the that band below the windows or the top of the lights would be right you want to kind of set it in alignment with something on the building it's a kind of a a move that's less about the sign than the building it's more about the aligning with the building is the location the um where that red dot is the red light okay yeah so the sign would be where that is that like a little red what is that little red light the left of the intro yeah like some sort of I think actually we're keep going oh you know what oh thank you yeah thank you yeah it's the roof is king now is for I guess that's uh second door it means to be grist for I or maybe that's to get to the apartments that's the apartments yeah sorry all right yeah so is that just from my own clarity we're strongly recommending that that light remain is that right and that's what we're suggesting is working around the fact the light remains is that am I correct on that is there a creative way of making a downlight interior of this um putting a light in inside the sign that I have an idea yeah down what if um can I draw on this yeah um let's see if I can do this what if the blade came out um was was basically mounted at the edge and came out you know this way is that is that something that you could consider so it's not centered here but rather it's shifted to be like you could even do like a corner mount oh that's a nice compromise Lindsay because the the the column is so wide certainly I don't I don't know because I'm thinking about the wiring um we we would pull from the the can lights that's that area so we'd have a we'd have an ability to we might be able to drill but in those columns that's all the right top down drainage you can see one of the cow tongues to the right of the entrance that's uh some drainage coming out and then you'll see there's kind of some some of these have plumbing in it as well because I know this line runs right through the bottom of the section of the building I like that it gets it away from the light and the light can still be part of the kind of rhythm of the building which feels so strong and kind of important to maintain and it pulls it in toward the storefront it still holds kind of an important place on the pier um I don't know okay it's something that I could I could propose to the team um I think that they would probably prefer figuring out a solution for down lighting within the sign since we're custom making the sign it might be not too much additional to um incorporate it in in some way and then we would match we would match the same uh whatever the metric for the lighting the lumens or the wattage so it has a similar lighting effect I wonder too if um and then here actually see what they do um I just I was kind of curious to see where the ISI was was it centered and it looks like they have a light underneath yeah and if and if you walk by the building that can light is maybe at six foot there and then the other side it's at whatever it might be I'm trying to find those elevations still though I said I gave you I kind of excluded IS but I'm trying to figure out find the one to your point it is well above the height of the door here because the slope down is significant yeah I might be able to find it as well Dylan okay um to keep us moving along can I put this on this part of the conversation on hold and move us forward to the to the planters while we're looking for that additional information I have a concern with the planters Dylan that they're quite high when we if you think 42 inches plus the the bulb of the grasses which is likely to be because I looked it up at least a foot if not 18 inches that means that the top of the grass is going to be at or above eye level of the average Amherst resident and my concern here is that a lot of that facade has now come blocked off right so that not only are you removing this kind of space of refuge it's a narrow sidewalk there and we're removing the kind of space for people to duck out of the rain we're also removing the connection the visual connection to the interior of your establishment when you know we're in summer grass season and so my I have two concerns here and they one is the depth of the planter really filling up the bay as much as it does and the second one is the height of the planter I think that they're they are well designed and they're sophisticated and I love the idea of using grasses I'm just concerned with the the volume of the thing and the gray I think also is you know a 42 inch high right that's higher than a countertop it's higher than the desk it's it's a lot and I think that it doesn't have a I want it to be friendlier in a way so that could come from lowering it removing one or two and I'm I'm love to hear the the board members the thoughts on this it's really the you know the narrowness of the sidewalk and then the masking a lot of that glass and the attend in the inside there will have seating that's right up against that glass and so what we're trying to do is try to create a little bit of breathing room space from the sidewalk and the people right by the grass was the design element and what we're trying to give to the inside some privacy with the grass and then the other thing was to fill that void specifically because of we've had we've had people sleeping there in in trash accumulating there and so trying to kind of take that space and fill it up with something could they step to Erica's point like could they still fill I think the way that you're proposing but just come down in height and some kind of consistent rhythmic way that makes sense with the gray change so they maintain like a three foot height across the length of the building yeah I see what you're saying most of the the grade gets made up right in right at the entrance so if we're at the one we said I can share a street view what's what's the interior floor level does it also step down across the length of that what's that sorry I missed the question is does the floor level change at all or is it because you were talking about having like floor level is all the same inside you'll notice in these bays right here that the glass comes down almost to the ground over here the floor is still the same inside but there's a little bit extra height at the end of the grade that we kind of lose you'll see that most of it is located right here at the lobby entrance up to IA you'll see as the kind of grade kind of continues the most of it is the other way to consider it is if you set the maximum height at three feet and you carried that line all the way across and just let it be a shelf just a shorter planter at the higher elevation that's another approach the you know we are buying those off off a shelf with the specified dimensions they won't they aren't you don't have the ability to to custom do they have different heights they have different styles but not the different heights yeah I feel pretty strongly about this and I I think that it's you know this is already a you know it's already a narrow sidewalk it's a place where a lot of people especially with the new building coming just down the street it's going to be a lot of people walking by the liveliness of what's happening on the interior I think could be a real asset to the street life of Amherst and I'm reluctant to to be excited about cutting that off I think you'll still get the the view into the space because the glass windows here are 11 foot 3 and 3 quarters of an inch but they're going to be 42 inches is going to be masked by the planter and then with the grasses growing is there a three-foot option if there's a three-foot option I think that that would be or 30 inches we could we could see we could go back and and see if they can do 36 instead of instead of a full height because I think even I feel like that might be a compromise because from the inside if you're seated right you're at like you know 15 18 inches most and so your head is really going to be below that three-foot edge so you're still being you know visually kind of like concealed at a seating level a seated level but from the outside you're able to see in at eye level without feeling kind of overwhelmed by that mass yeah and I also I mean I generally would love to see maybe the corner remain open I understand what you're what you're going for in that kind of sense of consistency and privacy but I also think that like to provide a little bit of a relief a space where the besides the door itself where the sidewalk we can feel that width that that would be a civic gesture appreciated or perhaps it only goes the length of the store front if it if it still needs to maintain the consistency of the storefront but it just stops at the at the brick you know corner yeah we would this would be a 10 foot it would end right here so there would be a little bit of space so you would end it the 10 foot planter would be here here and they would kind of go across this lighter white material so yeah whoever just drew the yellow has it right yep well I sort of disagree but not strongly enough that I throw a wrench in this but I think the planters are going to soften that building which is very harsh and very industrial and not my favorite look for for Amherst and I thought when those planters were proposed that that was a good idea to give it a little softness and if you're sitting aside maybe you don't want maybe you do want to hide behind bush rather than have somebody look in and see you sitting out sitting at a table having a martini I you know I don't I don't know that would bother me as a I don't know that would bother customers if they sat down and they looked out and they saw a bush or grass but I don't know would take a poll on that but I I do vote for the planters I understand the height issue may be a little touchy and if it could go down a little bit then fine that's pretty much dead space in there because I've go by there and I went purposely by there today and it's like you say that the main reason why you may not want to planters if you want to get out of the rain you could duck into that but that's the only purpose that little insert would serve serve so I'm definitely voting for the planters yeah I agree I like I like the idea of planters I just feel their little high overwhelmingly large height wise not not in depth and it's nothing I have a problem with the height but I but if you but you know but I'm willing to go along with any proposal that keeps the planters and so that's where I stand so where so yeah I think that do we need to go back to the conversation now that we have maybe somebody's found the elevation drawings I don't know if you wanted to share them back to talk about the height of the sign mount unfortunately I haven't been able to find them I would have to dig a little deeper okay I got a little distracted as well yeah any chance that Dylan you know the file number through the planning board for one EP you know I was confused because I have handy on my computer for 11 it was in an email today I have it oh was it yeah well what I excluded on that was there are elevations that would have helped with the IA which I was trying to find but at least that elevation that you have might it might be helpful if someone wants to show that but Maureen it was in the email you sent yeah okay yeah hold that up I'm in 30 this morning 926 yeah um I'm gonna have to jump off here not too long from now um just as a heads up okay thanks Lindsay can you stay for five more minutes yes okay the west elevation what up give me one second so not to mention but we have a floor elevation um how about scrolling down a page and we can look at the height of cw2 door two pages maybe there was a there's a window schedule window door schedule so one of these is labeled cw2 and we would cw2 is 12 foot 6 and three eighths of an inch 12 and a half there we go that tells us yeah and then eight foot door it's awesome Lindsay does that give you any insight into oh and it and that is uh if you scroll to cw6 that's the door for IA and Maureen says nine foot six so the IA's front door is three foot taller or higher in elevation and so our time if we matched it would be three foot higher so um just going back visually though the height of the light fixture that we're talking about that up down light is a line that looks like with the door head but seems correct it looks like it's a little bit above if you scroll back up to you uh the IA one or the no just the yeah let's talk about protocol Dylan you'll have uh actually I can pull up protocol this one or can you still can you see that I'm changing my yes yeah yeah it's like the last wait wait yeah sorry Peter is acting weird I think the elevation might give a better a truer sense of that as opposed to the Google shot uh do you mind if I take the screen over oh yeah please do thank you so Lindsay you're asking about the top of that down light uh in reference to you this is the door for protocol and so the door is at eight foot tall and that light would be up it doesn't have a measurement that would call it out but we know that the top of this is 12 foot six and this is eight foot and you were proposing basically it would be aligned here and centered there correct yeah yeah I mean I guess coming back to the idea of like we've got a lot of space to work right in there so and it's a 30 inch sign right 30 inch yep if we zoom out a little bit maybe we can get the height of I'm not sure how you drew that but you can see where Aya had their sign they have their sign just above that that and light as we noticed if you kind of follow that line over it would be roughly yeah I'd be pretty high yeah well I think it was it was aligned with that panel right so I'd be like here yeah um so I don't know I guess as an easy way out we could consider even if it was on a corner sign like if it landed somewhere in between I mean the more the closer you get to that light the more of a conflict it is obviously um you could I think if it gets below it it's going to be too low so I think that's out I feel like if you align the top of it top edge of it with that panel or even split the difference I don't know I mean such that maybe the bottom is aligned with that light fixture so that and it sounds like Dylan you're open to because you have to create a sign that's two sides lit with a divider down the middle it already has some width to it so if you could incorporate a downlight there I think that would be a good compromise and then we can we can kind of keep that height matching similar to the tops of these things which I think aesthetically would look really nice and we would match whatever downlighting we'd match the same color wattage um to make sure that the light is kind of consistent we don't want to have any sort of too different of a white color yeah I really appreciate your sensitivity to that and I think that that would be you know we kind of hit all the marks right you're responding to the the context of the building itself and all of the cues that it gives about where a location should be you're giving your sign the kind of space and visibility that it needs and your kind of being the rhythm of the light on the sidewalk I like it kind of it also brings it more a dynamic piece to the sign I think it might help highlight it almost yeah I think that'll be really nice yeah and then with regards to the sign that we also had suggested like your mounting strategy that suggests that if you are building a frame around it that you match the black that's it I think that's that's definitely doable we'd keep that consistent and yeah or rapid and copper it's another strategy but um all right and then with regards to the planters I would like to recommend that they be lower not to exceed 36 inches tall so that we can retain some sense of visual connection from the sidewalk into the restaurant and also to not have these kind of walls of gray on the sidewalk yeah I think if the sorry just to jump in on that point as well I think that if the plantings themselves were going to be shorter I would feel less concerned but I think it's a pretty valid concern given that those plants are going to be so tall on top of it's just going to really kind of block off that opening visually so I do think that 36 feels like the right max and I would even consider a lower that's okay you can make that recommendation can we recommend 30 yeah so these recommendations are for the building commissioner to consider as as they seek their their particular permit I'm not sure if it's a building permit or an article 14 permit but all right so and I understand you know what's the manufacturing limitations in mind you may only be able to get to a certain height but I think it's a it's a good recommendation for 30 yeah I think we'd be willing to accept that it's a reasonable request so I appreciate it okay awesome all right then um is there uh a move Erica would you be able to just summarize really quickly the whole signage approach all right see if I can do this justice Maureen you've been taking notes so correct me if you hear something different the recommendation for the blade sign is that first of all we love the design we approve the the overall design of the copper panel with the cutout letters are suggesting a um a black frame for that and with regards to the height of the sign we think that you should align it with some element of the building preferably the top of the existing downlights and that the sign itself should incorporate a downlight feature how'd I do perfect and then lower the planters and then lower the planters preferably to 30 inches not to exceed 36 I'm noticing on that topic of where it ends it looks like it almost could align with the pop out at the second floor level um not to get too um architecty on this but um you know does this point I can't draw a straight line but like where this corner is here like does that is it possible to kind of like let it be the same the same because it seems like that that steps back to just a hair just like a brick over that opening but I think maybe that's just it was that the planters only as wide as the windows the column is kind of a real remains uh unculled by the planter got it correct yeah that's great all right is there any further discussion or should we make a I move that we approve the proposal with the suggestions relating to the signage the lighting and the height of the planters okay all in paper hi hi hi great thank you thanks don't yeah thank you all we're very excited to come check it out we're excited when is the opening uh mid-november oh that's awesome so it's coming it's been nice having just the banner out because you know it feels like something's happening even though a lot of it's true is it is it drinks only or is there food too food too um yep and we've got two really great operators that worked on in a humble wood so we've they've figured out how to make cocktails kegable so there's some keg cocktails they'll be make your own cocktails there's going to be some beer on tap to wine coolers um yeah the biggest thing is going to be the plants it's it's like 400 something plants in there then we have like rebar structure that goes up 15 feet and so there's all these different types of plants kind of coming off and try to with covid make it a green nice space put a lot of money into HEPA filters and the HVAC system and we're really excited for it we think it's going to be something that Amherst is going to love that's great what a great location too so Lindsay are do you need to leave or can you stick around for the next application um what's the last one Dagmar another restaurant similar um it's simpler because I think it's just a window decals and some outdoor furnishings okay give me just one minute okay right because we lose our quorum if Lindsay leaves so oh gosh but well uh well I guess we'll we'll see if she can come back before I introduce it so will Vicki be in charge of the bar yes yes Victoria will be in charge of the bar we have Daniella as well oh good and she she's a phenomenal team yeah yeah and they're they're they're kind of they're our operating partners for Amherst oyster bar which you've heard already from us and then Dagmar which I'll share in a moment yes right yeah it's phenomenal that's great when's the oyster bar expected though oh yeah usually you guys need to do yeah we came back and a little delay on that one yeah I forgot yeah but hopefully uh it was originally planned for October 3rd I think it's going to get punted a week but we'll be taking off the front of uh Judy's and it'll it'll start moving on the exterior at least okay she's back thank you for making the time all right we'll keep this nice and efficient the next proposal is DRB FY 202 309 Dagmar Amherst LLC at 26 Main Street I'll share my screen here is it Main Street or Spring Street uh Spring 26 Spring Street oh typo in the agenda then oh sorry yeah oh yeah you're right I'm sorry about that yeah good call whoops so we went with a simpler font here we've since dropped the apostrophe yes so it'll just be Dagmar I'll get to that in a second I know Maureen asked about actually I'll do it right now Maureen asked me about the how we came to the name Dagmar um and we were the building that's going up right now 26 spring is about to start receiving some Danish brick on it and so um we were looking for motifs of the building and how to incorporate that into the bar space and there's going to be a little this gray uh Danish brick um which we can see here uh and some granite features as well up front and a rock wall so it's there's a lot of stone and so we were kind of searching for um we were thinking about arctic or ocean or cooler temperatures um and we came across uh this explorer uh named Peter Frunchen and there's a really uh dynamic picture of him I don't know if you saw that in the email that got sent through um but next to him is uh Dagmar and um so you kind of get pulled into that image in this six foot seven person guy with a giant codon um and so we had that on our mood board as we were thinking about uh we were kind of going down an ice tundra arctic like exploration idea um and we kind of kept coming back to that image and it was really Dagmar that was standing out just the the difference um the all against the small frame but it's kind of what gave that photo depth and so we we like the name Dagmar because it was it's it has some ambiguity to it we didn't uh we like the idea of this bar being less like the oyster bar which tells you what it is seafood or protocol which kind of came out of we were designing during the time with covid protocols um and so we like that and then also the tie into the Danish brick just felt natural so that's uh that's kind of how we came to the name um but this is the uh rendering of 26 spring this is right behind uh Grace church next to the in on boltwood um right behind this is the police station in the town hall we wanted to go with that brick material there um to kind of match uh both the gray and white coloring on in on boltwood in the grace church um so that's why there's a lot of stones here uh go to the next slide this is kind of a um looking straight down spring street this is uh the entire storefront area and this is the view from in on boltwood looking right across um so the right side is going to be the lobby entrance this left side is going to be this exterior um you'll see one door there with the lady in the pink bag there's seating that kind of wraps around here which we'll talk about and then wraps down the side and if we go back to this image you can see that there's a handicap accessible ramp that comes up to um one of the two doors so uh this is the floor plan of the space it's um the exterior section right here is what we'll be talking about today um with the 26 spring plan approval there was the stone bench that had been incorporated in um approved and what we're going to talk about is the the chairs here and the tables we finally picked out something that we think will work well for the outdoor area um so these are the chairs that we found um they're from uh room and board they're called the Maya Chase um it has a marine grade uh framing wood framing in the interior and then it has a water resistant foam uh an exterior coat uh this fabric is sun resistant and water resistant it also comes with covers that we can cover in the same material that kind of protects it a little bit further um the table we found from blue dot the dimensions on this is uh 24 inches across uh by 16 inches tall so it's a lower coffee table type thing and that kind of gives us the seating here so the idea um is to just have this outdoor seating that's a little bit movable if we need to start um kind of tucking them away after hours we can they're not too heavy for uh both to handle um and we'll just pull them inside the space so that's the furniture component uh and then the uh the signage the logos uh you'll see that that font that I had on the first screen and we'll come back to it but you'll see it right here on the door a and door b um the width of it is 24 inches by six inches tall um and we just kind of kept it quiet with all the glass front we figured the inside will kind of do more of the speaking of the space so and that's the uh the logo again so I'll open up questions yeah are there any questions from our comments from Lindsey or Catherine so exciting so this would not be designed for serving dinner with more for people to have a cocktail right because those tables yeah okay the protocol has a has a kitchen AOB will have a kitchen this is just going to be cocktails it's a smaller smaller joint oh so this is oh okay so this is a cocktail this is not a dining not dining whiskey lounge yeah okay no provided uh no food provided inside either uh there will be uh food but it's going to be without a kitchen so um we have a they updated the menu today but I haven't looked at it but there's some they have some canned fish all of chicory board type things uh things that we can do with refrigeration um and nothing that requires cooking okay I I think this signage proposed for the door is elegant and appropriate um I don't have any comments about that and I think the form of the chair is fantastic I would just caution you to choose something that's um not going to stay wet if you miss there's not because you're not undercover there and so if it's a quick dry material I think you'll be fine but you might regret it if it's I think you mentioned foam I mean I think the form of them is lovely the color is great I just I don't want you to lose the opportunity to have people sitting outside if it rains in the morning and you don't get the chairs in on time absolutely yeah it's um it's definitely a tricky thing once you get into outdoor dining we found out we did want something a little soft but something that's still fit in with the stone that's why we went with the gray yeah yeah it's it's definitely one of our concerns we were we do have the cover with this but in New England the weather can change in a heartbeat so it is it is good advice we might come back to you down the road if we have to switch from this to like a bench but we really didn't want to we wanted something soft out there sure Lindsay any thoughts I would echo everything Erica said um I think that the subtlety of signage is consistent with the mood of the the vibe that you're trying to create so I I'm all for it um I guess you know I don't know there's like different schools of thought on like being able to read the sign before you approach the building um if people are really looking for it are they gonna be able to see it without walking to the front door um I don't I don't think that that necessarily means you shouldn't do what you're doing I think it's like I said I think it's appropriate with what you're what you're trying to create um but I do wonder if perhaps there's an interest to do something that's equally subtle and elegant at more the street front level you have these like kind of planter walls um I don't know if maybe something that happens a reverse cutout sign that sits in the planter or something yeah yeah I don't know where it wants to go but or if it even does but it's just a question of like is there something that steps forward to also indicate what's happening there um so that you're not entirely reliant on people reading the front door or knowing where they are yeah we never considered a any sort of signage there but it could be could be off of the stone or on the stone face right kind of facing post traffic we assume will come from come from the west kind of coming down past grace and so that might be a good where that man's walking on maybe a sign right there on the wall of yeah so the people yeah or where that person is sitting like if there was something on one on the other side I don't know and I don't think it needs to be resolved in this meeting but I do think it's worth um considering for future you know right yeah I agree great I move that we accept the uh proposed signage and uh outdoor seating with the recommendation that they seriously seriously consider if the upholstery is going to be appropriate for all other right so approved um a proposal to approve but if you if you change your mind you may have yeah right yeah okay let me do a second great everyone in favor hi hi okay brand thank you Dylan thank you and Dagmar will open Dagmar so 26 spring is looking to deliver and it's next spring it's currently February 17th is the building itself but we might I might get pushed to March and then the restaurant will follow up shortly after but we've incorporated our same architect and our same construction team as the development projects for this one so we're hoping that this goes a little bit quicker and smoother than protocol and AOB which kind of after the fact are you with archipelago yes yep thank you thank you all have a good night thank you um I know we have meeting minutes on the agenda I know we also have public comment to address uh before we luckily there's no one in attendance or not luckily but uh there's no one in attendance luckily for me because I have to run yeah um I did uh I actually forgot to re-evalve the July 7th okay I was going to suggest for Lindsay's sake that we postpone them until the next meeting anyways so yeah yeah so um it looks like we need more info from the first applicant um for the juice bar about the lettering in the windows yep same thing with um the second with law who told right yeah so I'll check in with them tomorrow just around them to send it and then so once I get that then I will reach out to you all about just going to get another reading okay all right okay I move that the meeting be adjourned second can I do that yes you can okay all right thank you all thank you okay great job great job thank you okay