 In news edition, I'm Penisa Levine, coming to you live from Tel Aviv Day 37 of the war, a war that started on the 7th of October with a Hamas terror onslaught in southern Israel in which 1,400 people were slaughtered. 239 people remain in captivity in Gaza abducted by the terror group on that day. Today in the north, sirens sounding in the western Galilee near the coastline just moments ago. A short while ago, Hezbollah claiming responsibility for an anti-tank guided missile attack from Lebanon. Several civilians wounded near the northern community of Dovev, the Israeli military, responding right now. In Gaza itself, heavy fighting inside the strip, close to the Shifa hospital, a crucial landmark as it's located above the Hamas terror command center in northern Gaza. Thousands of Palestinian civilians making use of the humanitarian corridor to flee to the southern parts of the Gaza Strip. In southern Israel, sirens sounding in recent hours, warning of incoming rocket fire from Gaza towards several Israeli communities, including Nahal Oz and Sufa. And that's where we start. We go live to our correspondent, Zach Anders. He's in southern Israel right now. Those sirens sounding in southern communities a little earlier, what is the latest where you are? What update can you share, Zach? Well, we're hearing that those were intercepted and that there were no injuries in these earlier rocket launches throughout the day. Remarkable that we're reaching into the late 30s of days of this war and Hamas is still capable of firing upon Israel. Security officials have told me that the majority of these launch sites now in the last few days are coming from the southern Gaza Strip. And perhaps that speaks to the operations in the northern Gaza Strip and the IDF activity in that area. And certainly that activity continues at this hour. Zach, we also know 239 hostages could be hidden in underground tunnels in the Gaza Strip. A Biden administration official speaking to American media about a possible deal for a hostage exchange. What is known? What can you share? And that's that's a remarkable development here, especially given yesterday, the open source flight tracking capabilities were able to see a Israeli plane leave Qatar land in Tel Aviv and then continue on its way to Cairo where suspected Hamas officials were also into Cairo. So perhaps there has been some sort of breakthrough in these negotiations with this movement in the last 24 hours. Of course, the Biden administration has been pushing for some sort of hostage release that could entail the women and children. So that would not be all the hostages, but this sounds like at least the communication that we've heard from the administration in the last week or so has made it clear that the women and children are the first point, the tip of the spear of these negotiations. And while we hear these reports of potential negotiations, of course, that heavy fighting continues inside Gaza, close to the Shefa Hospital, which is of course located above that terror command center of Hamas. What more is known about the fighting underway right now? Well, I can tell you that some of the pictures that have been authenticated from around the hospital coming from Israeli soldiers are showing quite a bit of activity and movement in that area. Some of the photographs show the old Palestinian parliament building that obviously has been defunct for some time, but it has been able to locate that the amount of troop movement around Al Shefa Hospital is quite remarkable at this point. And it does show that there has been quite a level of engagement around the hospital. Now, of course, Hamas has not been releasing any of their figures for their losses, so we don't know how heavy the fighting has been or what the toll has been on either side. Thank you so much. We will be coming back to our correspondent Zach Anders in Southern Israel for more regular updates for now. Thank you, Zach. Meanwhile, since the start of the IDF retaliatory ground invasion 42 Israeli soldiers have been killed. The IDF saying a significant number of troops continue to fight in Gaza City's Al Shatti Camp, adding that in one incident, troops from the Givati Brigade identified civilians in a building and helped them evacuate. But during the evacuation, Hamas attackers opened fire at the soldiers. The troops responding and the Hamas gunmen were killed, so the civilians continued evacuating the area, separately a strong message of support from the IDF Chief of Staff from above. Lieutenant General Herzi Halevi flying over the Gaza Strip to view the military's ground operation and to speak with forces over the radio. So for more, we welcome to studio retired Colonel Amit Assa, former member of the Israeli Security Agency. Thank you so much as always for being here. Day 37 and developments on all fronts. I want to start those specifically with what we just heard from Zach, my colleague in southern Israel, and the developments inside Gaza. What do you make of the pace at which IDF troops are nearing Shifa Hospital, which is of course located on top of the Terror Command Center of Hamas? I think Shifa is just a symbol, okay? We know that the commander is on the ground at the Shifa, and everybody knows about it because of the evidence that we brought. And we have a problem, I think, at the outside of Israel, at the community, the American community and the Europe community, they have to push more about what happens in Shifa, because we have evidence now of people from Shifa, from the staff of Shifa healthcare, that Hamas is taking all the medicine from people that need it inside Shifa. So it makes the picture very clear Hamas is controlling Shifa Hospital and IDF have to bring down this massive place down without any casualties, of course, from the civilians inside. And it's very, very difficult to do it, and it's complicated. And I think it will be very clear in a few hours or days what will happen there. Complicated indeed. Stay with us. We've got more to discuss. But right now, let's check in with what is happening in the north. Correspondent Mary McAuliffe joins us from northern Israel. And Mary over and above siren sounding in parts of the western Galilee just a short while ago, Hezbollah claiming responsibility for sending that anti-tank missile from Lebanon towards the Dovev area in the north. What update can you share? That's right, Benita. So as you said, Hezbollah said it was behind that attack that hit these civilians. At least six were wounded. One is in serious condition in a hospital here in the north. Another one is in hospital, but is said to now be in lightly injured condition. Hezbollah saying that it struck a group of soldiers when in reality those who were injured were those who were working for the electrical company in the area and were in a vehicle traveling. They're very near to the border where they're trying to repair some power lines at the time that they were hit. Since then, the IDF said it has responded to the source of the attack where they believe this transpired inside southern Lebanon, attacking those launches that they believe sent those mortars and anti-tank missiles across the border. But since then, we've also had a different incident also with another anti-tank missile that reportedly injured four along the border. We do not yet have a statement from the IDF confirming anybody was injured in those strikes if they're soldiers that will probably be information that will remain under censorship. But still, we have seen the IDF responding harshly using airstrikes as well as artillery firing to target not just where it says was the source of these attacks of these mortars and missile attacks into Israeli community, but also targeting a number of different infrastructure belonging to Hezbollah inside southern Lebanon. So Mary, how do all these incidents you're describing right now fit into the message sent from Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah when he made that address on Saturday? Well, we've definitely absolutely seen escalation in the past few days. Number of attacks today certainly suggests an escalation here by the number of anti-tank missiles that have been fired across the border. This we've seen for some time over the past few weeks, but we haven't seen as many successes from Hezbollah able to actually hit targets inside. So the number of injured today certainly suggests an escalation. What we did hear from Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah yesterday, once again claiming that their forces are actively involved as this war in this operation with Gaza goes along. They say that they have been supporting the troops in that way, supporting Hamas, supporting all of the Palestinian cause by continuing to make sure that Israeli forces are on high alert here in the north. They have claimed that to be a success for now. But whether they will take that a step further and escalate even further to all out war, all signs that we've seen up until now certainly doesn't seem to suggest that Hezbollah either is ready or willing to go for that. But we know the messages have been coming out very harshly both from the Israeli leadership warning Hezbollah against further attacks, especially on civilians, but also from other diplomats in the region, notably of course also the United States who has been working around the clock to try and prevent the situation from spiraling out of control. Thank you so much, correspondent Mary McAuliffe, live from Northern Israel. Stay safe, Mary. And still in studio, retired Colonel Amit Asayotek, Amit on the threats that is happening up north and the recurrent messages from the Hezbollah chief and then the action, which may not exactly be in sync. We're on the red lines. I think Nasrallah is playing a very dangerous play. From one hand we know that he needs to show the Hamas and the Arab world that he's doing something for this war. From another hand, he knows that if he will pass the red line, the red line of, of course, the history of defense, Garland said, when he asked, when do we know, when we will know that Hezbollah passed this red line? So we said, if we will bomb Beirut, you will know. So Hezbollah is playing now a very risky play. I think in a few days we will see more escalating and more offensive work from, or plans to do from the IDF because they will strike first. Something we certainly will be watching out for Amit. Stay with us. We've got more to discuss. But something you alluded to a little bit earlier is the response out of the international community. And French President Emmanuel Macron called his Israeli counterpart, Isaac Herzog, earlier today to clarify and partially walk back comments he made in an interview with the BBC on Friday. Those comments sparked concern and anger in Israel as senior diplomatic correspondent Owen Ultiman tells us they were also seen as a signal of rising international pressure on Israel. Let's take a look. De facto, today civilians are bombed. De facto, these babies, these ladies, these old people are bombed and killed. There is no reason for that and no legitimacy. Just three weeks ago, French President Emmanuel Macron landed in Israel with a message of warm solidarity. But for him, times have changed. His passage seen as a marker of a wider ramping up of international pressure on Israel. Look, in the very first days, it's clear that the emotion, the compassion created the situation where everybody was just close to Israel. But I think there is no justification precisely to attack civilians. Macron's stark language is seen as a milestone, a European power coming out for a full ceasefire and attacking Israel's position on the war. Raising fears among Israelis that the war may end with Hamas still in power in parts of the Gaza Strip. The war against Hamas-ISIS is progressing in full force and has one goal, to win. There is no substitute for winning. We will eliminate Hamas and we will return our abductees. Protests have grown, as here in London on Saturday. And the prevailing view in Israel is that the sand is flowing through the diplomatic hourglass, while Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu digs in his heels, setting up the clash that many say is to come. And still in studio, retired Colonel Amit Asa, former member of the Israeli Security Agency. And we also welcome Glenn Jostelson and Glenn. We're going to be talking to you in a short while, but first we're going to go to Amit because you alluded to it a little bit earlier. And that is the pressure that Israel is facing in the international arena, particularly in Europe, particularly in the US. And that matters right now. Talk to us about the impact of the rhetoric abroad and how it is impacting the way Israel is conducting its operations. Look, I don't think that Israel is conducting the operation according to what's happening in the world, but it's another place that Israeli politicians have to work parallel to the RDF successes. So we have to understand that somebody have to put on the table the place that Israel is playing a role of what the West needs to do all over. So this war is not just Israeli war. We are talking about radical Islamic all over the world. And we can see the raising up of the radical Islamic moving the people out the street, all the Islamic people out the street because of the radical Islamic, when they are support, so called Palestinian, they're supporting terror. That's the name for it. And people in the world have to see it, have to see the difference between achieving something that they want to achieve as a terrorist or putting themselves doing something for the Palestinian humanitarian. It's a very, very important thing to see when we are talking about the community, the outside. To that point, how surprised are you at the scale of the demonstrations against Israel at all these centers around the globe, the number of people coming out in support of the Palestinians, but not civilians supporting Hamas and what Hamas is doing. And there is an important distinction there, obviously. Yes, so it's not surprising me. People at the world have to understand again that this kind of support actually they say for the Palestinian, but it's not support of the Palestinians, support of terror and radical Islam. It's another thing. And people at the world have to know the line that nobody have to cross it. When you support now the war of the Palestinian, you support the terror. That's what everybody have to understand. If you go to the street and raise the flag of the Palestinian now, it's not just for Palestinian. It's for the war of the Hamas against what we say Israel and what we say all the time, anti-Semitism all over the world by the radical Islam. And let's stay with us. We're going to discuss much more on the security front, but right now we are changing gears slightly as we move to a creative artistic initiative here in Israel. And it's a pleasure to welcome to studio Glenn Josselsen, a contemporary artist. He's joining us here right now. Glenn, thank you very much for being here. Lovely to be here. There have been so many initiatives since this war started in support of course of the 239 hostages who are still after more than five weeks being held hostage by the terror group and in support of the communities who have been evacuated to other places while this war unfolds. Talk to us about your initiative. So lovely to be here, Benita. Thanks for having me. So the art of giving is an initiative. It's a collaboration with one family. They are an NGO in Israel that support victims of terror. They rehabilitate them and help them to get back into society. And I've created as you can see my dances. It's my signature style of art. I'm a contemporary artist. And I've created these artist works, these beautiful pieces to signify hope, peace, resilience and unity. And I'm basically raising funds to facilitate charity, which one family will then redirect to these people, these victims of terror. And certainly one family must have a huge amount of people needing help, additional help. How exactly does it work? People who are watching want to be involved, want to make a difference. How can they get involved in this initiative and support it? Sure. So with regards to my initiative, Benita, I'm offering my art online, Glenn Jostelson.com, which is my website, where I'm going to be selling my artworks, the prints, to raise the charity for this initiative. I'm also auctioning artworks too. With regards to one family, people can volunteer. People need to get in touch with them. I'm sure you will post their web details. So they would need to get in touch with them that way. With regards to my cause, people can share it on social media, word of mouth, whatever they want to do to get it out there. I'd love them to help me with regards to that. It's so important while we are obviously discussing on a daily basis, the security situation unfolding, also the stories of resilience and of unity and people getting involved to try and do something to help communities in need. What is your sense of the outpouring of support right now in the country briefly? So I'm from South Africa. I've been in Israel a year now. I made Aliyah in December, almost a year. And I can honestly tell you that the way Israel has come together, the solidarity, the unity, the way the Israelis have come together to help one another has just been so awe-inspiring. I'm just so overwhelmed with it and I'm so glad to be part of it. And I'm doing my bit to show that I care and that I want to help as well. It's my input. So I'm excited to be there. Thank you so much. And as we keep saying, it's so important, people who are getting involved in the initiatives helping people in need right now. Genn Joselson, thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me. Thank you. And now as we go back to the unfolding security situation, we take a deeper look at the tensions across the northern border. Amidst that tough rhetoric we were discussing earlier in the broadcast from Hezbollah inside Lebanon and also from Israel. Our Senior Defence Correspondent Jonathan Regev has more in this report. Sunday's anti-tank strike on the Israel-Lebanon border. This is what Hezbollah is looking to achieve. He thinks Israelis on the border fence, knowing that the Israeli response will also remain on the border, but not beyond. The second front in the north has been active since day one of Israel's war with Hamas, but still with the certain mutual understandings. The fighting takes place almost entirely on the border area and not beyond. Most of the targets hit by Hezbollah are military and not civilian. And Israel does not strike too deep inside Lebanon, but looks mostly for Hezbollah targets on the border. Will this continue to be the case as the campaign in Gaza continues, and Hamas is eventually toppled? No one really knows. Hezbollah is dragging Lebanon into a war that may happen. What we are now doing in Gaza, we can also do in Beirut, and therefore I hope that Hezbollah will act appropriately, and Hassan Nasrallah will not provoke us, because his aggression is unacceptable to us. At least on the ground, the Hezbollah leader is sending the message he's not impressed. In recent days, we have witnessed a new wave of threats from the Israeli leadership. They are concerned from what is happening on our front in terms of quantity, quality and depth. Of course, we will continue in this position and this performance. Hezbollah had various chances to expand the war but chose not to. That is why the cautious assumption in Israel is that the situation on the Lebanon border will not escalate into a full-on war. Is that good news? Not necessarily. We must not agree to keep the situation as it is. We have a national obligation to eradicate Hezbollah, as we are now doing with Hamas in the south. The state must act the same way here in the north. The streets are empty in the evacuated northern border communities, with the residents returned. Once the war is over, knowing that Hezbollah is just across the fence and the terrible images seen in the Gaza border could repeat themselves here, a very serious question which for the moment does not have an answer. And still in the studio, retired Colonel Amit Assad, former member of the Israeli Security Agency. So Amit, I want to unpack the message that happened from IDF Chief of Staff Herzi HaLevi. He went above and sent a message. And when I say above, he was flying over the Gaza Strip to view the military's ground operation and to speak with forces on the ground, forces who are fighting as we speak. I want to take a listen to his message and then hear your thoughts. Let's take a listen. Message of support from Herzi HaLevi, but not only a message to soldiers on the ground, also a message potentially to Hamas, your take? Yes, I think morally. And it's more to the Hamas years. Know that we are not breaking. We are all over the place of Gaza to find you out. And we will be with a patient step-by-step to move you out of Gaza. This is the small message that we can hear for the Hamas. True is very truly words for our troops, because we know that the troops are there for a long time now. And they need the support. And if some kind of saying is coming up from the leader of the army, it's very important also for the troops. You say you know that soldiers are there for a long time. And obviously, it's anybody's guess what that means. But realistically, give us a sense, your take when you hear about what's happening across from southern Lebanon, when you hear what's happening right now in the Gaza Strip, when we know that an eye is being kept on the West Bank, not to mention Yemen and Syria as well. Your sense of how long this war could potentially last. Look, from the first day, you know how you start. And we didn't start this war. So at the beginning, you know how you are moving your steps step-by-step. But we don't know really how it will be ended and how long it will be. If you are asking my estimation, as we can see at the north, it's an escalating. And it's not dependent on us and dependent on what Riz Bala will do. Escalating in the West Bank also will lead us to more actions there. So we can never know. Ritair Colonel, I met us, a former member of the Israeli security agency. Appreciate your insight and thank you so much as always for being here in studio. And that is where we wrap up for now for this Breaking News Edition. I'm Benita Levine. Thank you for watching. Stay tuned. Israel is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where is she. As our soldiers are fighting on the front line, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. News 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra, espadas de hierro. 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In Gaza itself, heavy fighting inside the strip, close to the Shifa hospital, a crucial landmark as it's located above the Hamas terror command center in northern Gaza. Thousands of Palestinian civilians making use of the humanitarian corridor to flee to the southern parts of the Gaza Strip. In southern Israel sirens sounding in recent hours, warning of incoming rocket fire from Gaza towards several Israeli communities including Nakhal Oz and Sufa. And that's where we start. We go live to our correspondent, Zach Anders. He's in southern Israel right now. Those sirens sounding in southern communities a little earlier, what is the latest where you are? What update can you share, Zach? Well, we're hearing that those were intercepted and that there were no injuries in these earlier rocket launches throughout the day. Remarkable that we're reaching into the late 30s of days of this war and Hamas is still capable of firing upon Israel. Security officials have told me that the majority of these launch sites now in the last few days are coming from the southern Gaza Strip. And perhaps that speaks to the operations in the northern Gaza Strip and the IDF activity in that area. And certainly that activity continues at this hour. Zach, we also know 239 hostages could be hidden in underground tunnels in the Gaza Strip. A Biden administration official speaking to American media about a possible deal for a hostage exchange. What is known? What can you share? And that's a remarkable development here, especially given yesterday, the open source flight tracking capabilities we're able to see a Israeli plane leave Qatar land in Tel Aviv and then continue on its way to Cairo where suspected Hamas officials were also into Cairo. So perhaps there has been some sort of breakthrough in these negotiations with this movement in the last 24 hours. Of course, the Biden administration has been pushing for some sort of hostage release that could entail the women and children. So that would not be all the hostages, but this sounds like at least the communication that we've heard from the administration in the last week or so has made it clear that the women and children are the first point, the tip of the spear of these negotiations. And while we hear these reports of potential negotiations, of course, that heavy fighting continues inside Gaza, close to the Shifa Hospital, which is of course located above that terror command center of Hamas. What more is known about the fighting underway right now? Well, I can tell you that some of the pictures that have been authenticated from around the hospital coming from Israeli soldiers are showing quite a bit of activity and movement in that area. Some of the photographs show the old Palestinian parliament building that obviously has been defunct for some time, but it has been able to locate that the amount of troop movement around Al Shifa Hospital is quite remarkable at this point. And it does show that there has been quite a level of engagement around the hospital. Now, of course, Hamas has not been releasing any of their figures for their losses. So we don't know how heavy the fighting has been or what the toll has been on either side. Thank you so much. We will be coming back to our correspondent, Zach Anders in southern Israel for more regular updates for now. Thank you, Zach. Meanwhile, since the start of the IDF retaliatory ground invasion 42 Israeli soldiers have been killed, the IDF saying a significant number of troops continued to fight in Gaza City's Al Shatti camp, adding that in one incident, troops from the Givati Brigade identified civilians in a building and helped them evacuate. But during the evacuation, Hamas attackers opened fire at the soldiers. The troops responding and the Hamas gunmen were killed. So the civilians continued evacuating the area, separately a strong message of support from the IDF Chief of Staff from above. Lieutenant General Herzi Halavi flying over the Gaza Strip to view the military's ground operation and to speak with forces over the radio. So for more, we welcome to studio retired Colonel Amit Assa, former member of the Israeli Security Agency. Thank you so much as always for being here. Day 37 and developments on all fronts. I want to start those specifically with what we just heard from Zach, my colleague in southern Israel and the developments inside Gaza. What do you make of the pace at which IDF troops are nearing Shifa Hospital, which is of course located on top of the terror command center of Hamas? I think Shifa is just a symbol. We know that the commander is on the ground under the Shifa and everybody knows about it because of the evidence that we brought. And we have a problem, I think, at the outside of Israel, at the community, the American community and the Europe community. They have to push more about what happens in Shifa because we have evidence now of people from Shifa, from the staff of Shifa healthcare that Hamas is taking all the medicine from people that needs it inside Shifa. So it makes the picture very clear how Hamas is controlling Shifa Hospital and IDF have to bring down this massive place down without any casualties, of course, from the civilians inside. And it's very, very difficult to do it. And it's complicated. And I think it will be very clear in a few hours or days what will happen there. Complicated indeed. Stay with us. We've got more to discuss. But right now, let's check in with what is happening in the north. Correspondent Mary McAuliffe joins us from northern Israel. And Mary over and above, siren sounding in parts of the western Galilee just a short while ago, claiming responsibility for sending that anti-tank missile from Lebanon towards the Dovev area in the north. What update can you share? That's right, Benita. So as you said, Hezbollah said it was behind that attack that hit these civilians. At least six were wounded. One is in serious condition in a hospital here in the north. Another one is in hospital. But it said to now be in lightly injured condition. Hezbollah saying that it struck a group of soldiers when in reality those who were injured were those who were working for the electrical company in the area and were in a vehicle traveling. They're very near to the border where they're trying to repair some power lines at the time that they were hit. Since then, the IDF said it has responded to the source of the attack where they believe this transpired inside southern Lebanon, attacking those launches that they believe sent those mortars and anti-tank missiles across the border. But since then, we've also had a different incident also with another anti-tank missile that reportedly injured four along the border. We do not yet have a statement from the IDF confirming anybody was injured in those strikes if they're soldiers that will probably be information that will remain under censorship. But still, we have seen the IDF responding harshly using air strikes as well as artillery firing to target not just where it says was the source of these attacks, of these mortars and missile attacks into Israeli community but also targeting a number of different infrastructure belonging to Hezbollah inside southern Lebanon. So Mary, how do all these incidents you're describing right now fit into the message sent from Hezbollah chief Qassan Nasrallah when he made that address on Saturday? Well, we've definitely absolutely seen escalation in the past two days. The number of attacks today certainly suggests an escalation here by the number of anti-tank missiles that have been fired across the border. This we've seen for some time over the past few weeks, but we haven't seen as many successes from Hezbollah able to actually hit targets inside. So the number of injured today certainly suggests an escalation. What we did hear from Hezbollah chief Qassan Nasrallah yesterday, once again claiming that their forces are actively involved as this war and this operation with Gaza goes along. They say that they have been supporting the troops in that way, supporting Hamas, supporting all of the Palestinian cause by continuing to make sure that Israeli forces are on high alert here in the north. They have claimed that to be a success for now. But whether they will take that a step further and escalate even further to all out war, all signs that we've seen up until now certainly doesn't seem to suggest that Hezbollah either is ready or willing to go for that. But we know the messages have been coming out very harshly, both from the Israeli leadership warning Hezbollah against further attacks, especially on civilians, but also from other diplomats in the region, notably, of course, also the United States who has been working around the clock to try and prevent the situation from spiraling out of control. Thank you so much, correspondent Mary Makaulev, live from northern Israel. Stay safe, Mary. And still in studio, retired Colonel Amit Asayoutek, Amit on the threats that is happening up north and the recurrent messages from the Hezbollah chief and then the action, which may not exactly be in sync. Where are the red lines? I think Nasrallah is playing a very dangerous play. From one hand, we know that he needs to show the Hamas and the Arab world that he's doing something for this war. From another hand, he knows that if he will pass the red line, the red line of, of course, the history of defense Gallant said when he asked, when do we know, when we will know that Hezbollah passed this red line? So we said, if we will bomb Beirut, you will know. So Hezbollah is playing now a very risky play. I think in a few days, we will see more escalating and more offensive work from or plans to do from the IDF because they will strike first. Something we certainly will be watching out for Amit. Stay with us. We've got more to discuss, but something you alluded to a little bit earlier is the response out of the international community and French president Emmanuel Macron called his Israeli counterpart, Isaac Herzog, earlier today to clarify and partially walk back comments he made in an interview with the BBC on Friday. Those comments sparked concern and anger in Israel as senior diplomatic correspondent Owen Ultiman tells us they were also seen as a signal of rising international pressure on Israel. Let's take a look. De facto, today civilians are bombed. De facto, these babies, these ladies, all people are bombed and killed. There is no reason for that and no legitimacy. Just three weeks ago, French president Emmanuel Macron landed in Israel with a message of warm solidarity. But for him, times have changed. His passage seen as a marker of a wider ramping up of international pressure on Israel. Look, in the very first days, it's clear that the emotion, the compassion created the situation where everybody was just close to Israel. But I think there is no justification precisely to attack civilians. Macron's stark language is seen as a milestone, a European power coming out for a full ceasefire and attacking Israel's position on the war, raising fears among Israelis that the war may end with Hamas still in power in parts of the Gaza Strip. The war against Hamas ISIS is progressing in full force and has one goal, to win. There is no substitute for winning. We will eliminate Hamas and we will return our abductees. Protests have grown as here in London on Saturday. And the prevailing view in Israel is that the sand is flowing through the diplomatic hourglass. While Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu digs in his heels, setting up the clash that many say is to come. And still in studio, retired Colonel Amit Assa, former member of the Israeli Security Agency. And we also welcome Glenn Jostelson and Glenn. We're going to be talking to you in a short while. But first, we're going to go to Amit because you alluded to it a little bit earlier. And that is the pressure that Israel is facing in the international arena, particularly in Europe, particularly in the US. And that matters right now. Talk to us about the impact of the rhetoric abroad and how it is impacting the way Israel is conducting its operations. Look, I don't think that Israel is conducting the operation according to what's happening in the world, but it's another place that Israeli politicians have to work parallel to the IDF successes. So we have to understand that somebody have to put on the table the place that Israel is playing a role of what the West needs to do all over. So this world is not just Israeli war. We are talking about radical Islamic all over the world. And we can see the raising up of the radical Islamic moving the people out the street. All the Islamic people out the street because of the radical Islamic. When they support so-called Palestinian, they're supporting terror. That's the name for it. And people in the world have to see it, have to see the difference between achieving something that they want to achieve as a terrorist or putting themselves doing something for the Palestinian humanitarian. It's a very important thing to see when we are talking about the community, the outside. To that point, how surprised are you at the scale of the demonstrations against Israel at all these centers around the globe? The number of people coming out in support of the Palestinians, but not civilians supporting Hamas and what Hamas is doing. And there is an important distinction there, obviously. Yes. So it's not surprising me. People at the world have to understand again that this kind of support, actually, they say for the Palestinian, but it's not support of the Palestinians, support of terror and radical Islam. It's another thing. And people at the world have to know the line that nobody has to cross it. When you support now the war of the Palestinian, you support the terror. That's what everybody has to understand. If you go to the street and raise the flag of the Palestinian now, it's not just for Palestinian. It's for the war of the Hamas against what we say Israel and what we say all the time, anti-Semitism all over the world by the radical Islam. And let's stay with us. We're going to discuss much more on the security front. But right now, we are changing gears slightly as we move to a creative artistic initiative here in Israel. And it's a pleasure to welcome to studio Glenn Josselsen, a contemporary artist. He's joining us here right now. Glenn, thank you very much for being here. Lovely to be here. There have been so many initiatives since this war started in support, of course, of the 239 hostages who are still, after more than five weeks, being held hostage by the terror group and in support of the communities who have been evacuated to other places while this war unfolds. Talk to us about your initiative. So lovely to be here, Benita. Thanks for having me. So the Art of Giving is an initiative. It's a collaboration with one family. They are an NGO in Israel that support victims of terror. They rehabilitate them and help them to get back into society. And I've created, as you can see, my dancers. It's my signature style of art. I'm a contemporary artist. And I've created these artist works, these beautiful pieces to signify hope, peace, resilience, and unity. And I'm basically raising funds to facilitate charity, which one family will then redirect to these people, these victims of terror. And certainly one family must have a huge amount of people needing help, additional help. How exactly does it work? People who are watching want to be involved, want to make a difference. How can they get involved in this initiative and support it? Sure. So with regards to my initiative, Benita, I'm offering my art online, glengostlson.com, which is my website, where I'm going to be selling my artworks to the Prince to raise the charity for this initiative. I'm also auctioning artworks too. With regards to one family, people can volunteer. People need to get in touch with them. I'm sure you will post their web details. So they would need to get in touch with them that way. With regards to my cause, people can share it on social media, word of mouth, whatever they want to do to get it out there. I'd love them to help me with regards to that. It's so important, while we are obviously discussing on a daily basis the security situation unfolding also these stories of resilience and of unity and people getting involved to try and do something to help communities in need. What is your sense of the outpouring of support right now in the country briefly? So I'm from South Africa. I've been in Israel a year now. I made Aliyah in December, almost a year. And I can honestly tell you that the way Israel has come together, the solidarity, the unity, the way the Israelis have come together to help one another, has just been so awe-inspiring. I'm just so overwhelmed with it and I'm so glad to be part of it. And I'm doing my bit to show that I care and that I want to help as well. It's my input, so I'm excited to be there. Thank you so much. And as we keep saying, it's so important, people who are getting involved in the initiatives helping people in need right now. Glenn Jocelson, thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me here. Thank you. And now as we go back to the unfolding security situation, we take a deeper look at the tensions across the northern border. Amidst that tough rhetoric we were discussing earlier in the broadcast from Hezbollah inside Lebanon and also from Israel, our senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regev has more in this report. Sunday's anti-tank strike on the Israel-Lebanon border. This is what Hezbollah is looking to achieve. He thinks Israel is on the border fence, knowing that the Israeli response will also remain on the border, but not beyond. The second front in the north has been active since day one of Israel's war with Hamas, but still with the certain mutual understandings. The fighting takes place almost entirely on the border area and not beyond. Most of the targets hit by Hezbollah are military and not civilian, and Israel does not strike too deep inside Lebanon but looks mostly for Hezbollah targets on the border. Will this continue to be the case as the campaign in Gaza continues and Hamas is eventually toppled? No one really knows. Hezbollah is dragging Lebanon into a war that may happen. What we are now doing in Gaza, we can also do in Beirut, and therefore I hope that Hezbollah will act appropriately, and Hassan Nasrallah will not provoke us because his aggression is unacceptable to us. At least on the ground, the Hezbollah leader is sending the message he's not impressed. In recent days, we have witnessed a new wave of threats from the Israeli leadership. They are concerned from what is happening on our front in terms of quantity, quality, and depth. Of course, we will continue in this position and this performance. Hezbollah had various chances to expand the war but chose not to. That is why the cautious assumption in Israel is that the situation on the Lebanon border will not escalate into a full-on war. Is that good news? Not necessarily. We must not agree to keep the situation as it is. We have a national obligation to eradicate Hezbollah, as we are now doing with Hamas in the south. The state must act the same way here in the north. The streets are empty in the evacuated northern border communities. Will the residents return once the war is over knowing that Hezbollah is just across the fence and the terrible images seen in the Gaza border could repeat themselves here? A very serious question which for the moment does not have an answer. And still in studio, retired Colonel Amit Assa, former member of the Israeli security agency. So Amit, I want to unpack the message that happened from IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi. He went above and sent a message. And when I say above, he was flying over the Gaza Strip to view the military's ground operation and to speak with forces on the ground, forces who are fighting as we speak. I want to take a listen to his message and then hear your thoughts. Let's take a listen. A message of support from Herzi Halevi, but not only a message to soldiers on the ground, also a message potentially to Hamas, your take. Yes, I think morally and it's more to the Hamas years. Know that we are not breaking. We are all over the place of Gaza to find you out. And we will be with the patient step by step to move you out of Gaza. This is the small message that we can hear for the Hamas. True is very truly words for our troops because we know that the troops are there for a long time now. And they need the support. And if some kind of saying is coming up from the leader of the army, it's very important also for the troops. You say you know that soldiers are there for a long time. And obviously it's anybody's guess what that means. But realistically, give us a sense, your take when you hear about what's happening across from southern Lebanon, when you hear what's happening right now in the Gaza Strip, when we know that an eye has been kept on the West Bank, not to mention Yemen and Syria as well. Your sense of how long this war could potentially last? Look, from the first day, you know how you start. And we didn't start this war. So at the beginning, you know how you are moving your steps step by step. But we don't know really how it will be ended and how long it will be. If you are asking my estimation, as we can see at the north, it's an escalating. And it's not depend on us and depend on what Riz Bala will do. Escalating in the West Bank also will lead us to more actions there. So we can never know. Retired colonel, I met us, a former member of the Israeli security agency. Appreciate your insight. And thank you so much as always for being here in studio. And that is where we wrap up for now for this Breaking News Edition. I'm Benita Levine. Thank you for watching. Stay tuned. Israel is at war. Make an investment in Israel bonds. It is the most powerful and direct way to stand with Israel. Visit israelbonds.com and invest now. Recargas.altis.com.co.selection to recharge and digit the number you want to place the recharge. Also, they receive the double balance in charges of eight dollars or more. A state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where we see as our soldiers are fighting on the front line. But the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well. Breaking News Edition. I'm Benita Levine coming to you live from Tel Aviv. We start with news just in the IDF confirming that 15 projectiles have been launched from southern Lebanon towards Israeli territory in the past hour. Siren sounding in the Western Galilee near the coastline, including in Akkor just a short while ago. In recent hours, Hezbollah claiming responsibility for an anti-tank guided missile attack from Lebanon, several civilians wounded near the community of Dovev, the Israeli military responding. In Gaza, heavy fighting inside the strip, close to the Shifa hospital, a crucial landmark as it's located above the Hamas Terror Command Center in northern Gaza. Thousands of Palestinian civilians making use of the humanitarian corridor to flee to the southern parts of the Gaza Strip. In southern Israel, siren sounding moments ago in the Kerim Shalom area, warning of incoming rocket fire from Gaza towards Israeli communities. Day 37 of the war, a war that started on the 7th of October with a Hamas terror onslaught in southern Israel in which 1,400 people were slaughtered. 239 people remain in captivity in Gaza abducted by the terror group on that day. So for more, we welcome to studio Dr. David Shimoni, commander at the Commanders for Israel Security and Avi Pazner, former Israeli ambassador to France and Italy and former world chairman of Karen Hayes-Saud, the United Israel Appeal. Gentlemen, thank you both so much for being here in studio. Dr. Shimoni, I'm going to start with you because there are developments right now on several fronts. Anti-tank missiles sent from southern Lebanon towards Israel, civilians have been hurt. Rocket fire coming from Gaza into Israeli communities, no one hurt siren sounding several times over the course of the afternoon and of course, troops inside the Gaza Strip getting closer and closer to Shifa Hospital, which is located above the terror command center. Your assessment of what is unfolding all at once? Well, I'll start with the north. We're seeing a gradual escalation of hostilities in the north, but it's gradual and it's very limited. So, yes, unfortunately, a precise anti-tank missile hit a group of civilian workers and they have people who were badly hurt. And we have now about 15 rockets that were fired, by the way, by Hamas, they claim, not by Chizballah, to the western gallery. We don't see yet a big major offensive in the north, nor by Chizballah, neither by the IDF. It's getting worse all the time. It intensifies. We see that Israeli forces, our air force, are hitting further north into Lebanon with greater force, but it's still not the big war. And I think for the time being, both Israel and Chizballah are trying to play a very delicate game of challenging each other, but still maintaining some kind of restraint over the amount of power that is used and the damage that we can inflict on each other. In Gaza, the situation is terrible for the civilians who remained in the city of Gaza, but in the past two or three days, we've seen a large volume of civilians escaping, which means that they got the message. It took a long time to deliver the message that being in the city of Gaza is dangerous. We do not want to harm civilians, and many, many of them now escape. Also, that means that the grip that Hamas officials and military forces had on the population is reduced. So, because, for example, yesterday, we heard about a Chizballah terrorist, a Hamas terrorist, who held about 1,000 Gaza civilians and didn't permit them to cross to the south, but he was hit and killed. Staggering to think that it is Hamas stopping civilians from leaving and getting to safety. Yes, because that's their strategy. They hide behind civilians. That's what is making our fighting in Gaza very difficult, and of course, I'm sure the ambassador will be able to address it more better than me, but public opinion is turning against us seeing the scenes of the destruction in Gaza. That is something we're going to unpack in more detail shortly, but right now, gentlemen, stay with us. We're going to go to our correspondent, Mary Makalov. She joins us from northern Israel and Mary. Those sirens sounding in the western Galilee earlier and just a short while ago in Akko as well. Bring us up to speed. What is the latest there? That's right, Benidas. We can bring those sirens in Akko in this area. Some of these sirens ringing out in further south areas, pretty far from the border. Those were rockets that were fired from inside southern Lebanese territory into Israel. The IDF said that four were intercepted and the rest fell into open areas. We don't have any reports of injuries or casualties or damage yet coming from those. We do know that Hamas, the Lebanese branch of Hamas, has taken responsibility for these rockets being fired, tying it to the ongoing operation inside Gaza. But throughout the day, we've had a number of different incidents here on the border. Sirens often ringing out, especially in these communities that are really lying on the border, and most of these sirens that were caused or either caused by anti-tank missiles fired across the border or from the sounds of mortars that were triggering these sirens. We know the IDF is actively responding with artillery. We can hear some of the sounds of that artillery from where we are here. The IDF is also conducting a number of different airstrikes. And it comes as we had a number of different injuries throughout the day caused by these anti-tank missiles that Hezbollah has been using to launch across the border towards these Israeli areas that are really next to the border. So inside northern Israel, at least 10 have been injured. At least one is in critical condition from that. And the IDF is now confirming that seven soldiers were injured from a similar anti-tank missile attack that struck their unit, but saying all of those injuries were lightly injured. And this coming a day after Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah was speaking out, he had a tough message for the United States and Israel, but still not saying that Hezbollah is fully involved in the fighting. Bring us up to speed on his messaging. That's right. Well, Nasrallah's message, what we heard yesterday is also a similar message that we heard a week ago when he delivered his first remarks since the beginning of this war broke out. But they say for their part that Hezbollah is actively engaged with this fighting, whether or not that's going to turn into an all-out war. Continuing to say that that lies on Israel, also blaming the Americans, but saying that they're very closely watching what's happening inside the Gaza Strip. They're watching Israel's invasion take place. What's happening there? And also what's happening in southern Lebanon with Israel responding to a number of different strikes targeting Hezbollah terror infrastructure inside southern Lebanon, but also just artillery shelling the number of different areas that they've also put the onus on Israel saying that they're watching carefully that if they're going to be civilian deaths and if Israel escalates the situation any further, that will mean it's a step for them to go even further into this all-out war. For now, though, Hezbollah does seem to seem pretty content with keeping the situation. It is launching these attacks across the border, but today they had a number of different successes by injuring a number of different people in two separate incidents, both soldiers and civilians alike. So whether or not this is a sign that Hezbollah now, despite what Nasrallah said yesterday, is taking the decision to step up this war, we still have to wait to see exactly what unfolds here. But I can just tell you, this area is definitely on high alert. Stay safe, correspondent Mary Makalov, live from northern Israel. Thank you for the update, Mary. And still in studio, Dr. David Shimourny and Ambassador Avi Pazner. And Avi, I'd like your take on exactly what we just heard there from Mary, the concerns around what is transpiring up north. Another speech from Hassan Nasrallah waiting Israel to hear if he's going to get fully involved or not. But however it's described, we are seeing more and more escalations, provocations, whatever you want to describe them as happening across the northern front and civilians have been hurt. You're absolutely right. After every speech of Nasrallah, we see an escalation, a limited, I must say, limited escalation. But it hurts. Today, we had several people wounded. There were also people killed last week. And we have to be here very conscious of the fact that more important than the speeches of Nasrallah, we have to measure what's going on in the on the ground and to see where this escalation is leading us. Because the moment of an escalation, it's upward. And here, sometimes, they are very, very gentile line that if you cross them, you get into another round. So for the time being, we have been able to maintain the fire under control, if I can say so. But we have to take into consideration that without prior warning, Nasrallah can change the rule of the game. We have been surprised one on the 7th of October, even though now we are pretty much confident we have matters in hand. And yes, we are doing a good job. There are about 70 or 80 terrorists from Hezbollah who have been killed since the beginning of this campaign. The IDF is doing a good job. But let's not take Nasrallah for granted. It can change policy from one day to the other. Dr. Shemoni, I want to turn our focus to what is happening right now in the Gaza Strip. Not only are troops getting closer and closer to Shifa Hospital, which again is located above the terror command center of Hamas, complicating, fighting, no doubt. But over and above that, the hearts of the nation waiting for word on the 239 hostages held in captivity somewhere across the Gaza Strip and now reports of a possible deal. And I say reports because it was a Biden administration official speaking to American media already refuted on Reuters as well. But how would a prisoner exchange, if true, impact the way Hamas deals in terms of its fighting strategy? It gives the time to regroup your thoughts. Well, first of all, we're talking about a hostage negotiation process. So there's a lot of disinformation and misinformation. And we don't know anything and we will not know anything until we see, hopefully, all of our hostages come back. You mentioned President Biden. He made it clear from the beginning of this war that he personally wants to bring all of the hostages back. We know that he sent the chief of the CIA to Israel and to Qatar and to Egypt, trying to negotiate a deal. I think what's changing now is until a few days ago, we were talking about how many prisoners will Israel release for how many hostages that the Hamas will release. But the equation is now changed because now I think the Hamas leaders are fighting for their life. And their life and safety will be a factor in the equation. So we have to add into the negotiation some assurance that they might seek to get some asylum, to get a way out, a safe escape from Gaza. And this improves our bargaining situation. Something we're going to discuss in more detail shortly. But right now, gentlemen, stay with us. We're going to cross to our correspondent, Zach Anders. And he joins us from southern Israel. Zach, what update can you share right now? Well, Benita, I want to bring you a perspective from Mikhail Kotler once she's Israel's special envoy for combating antisemitism. And the last several weeks, of course, you took this role just before the 10-7 attacks, the last several weeks being pivotal in international spaces. You just spoke at the United Nations. Tell us a little bit about what it is exactly that your role has been involved with. And what is the message that you're bringing to the United Nations? So I think that 10-7 in many ways exposed many, many masks. The atrocities of 10-7 were fueled by deep and lethal antisemitism. And it is precisely the same antisemitism that stokes the responses to the atrocities, to the war crimes, to the crimes against humanity of 10-7 that deny, that justify, that support, and that attack Jews around the world in their wake. That is a critical piece of what actually brought me to go on this going to be my third emergency trip to the places in which Jews are attacked literally on the streets, in campuses, definitely in social media spaces, for the very atrocities perpetrated against their people in the Jewish nation state. Do you find that the response right now, we see so many different nation states that have changed their tone and their attitude. I think would be a fair way to put it. What is the reception? Is it positive or is there pushback because of what's happening behind us in Gaza? So you know what was actually amazing and in a very sad kind of way was how quickly the world moved on from the atrocities that I just described. The babies were burned, that entire families were burned alive, that women were raped so badly their legs couldn't be straightened for their burial. That is not something that Israel can just put behind it like any country would not be able to. The atrocities of 10-7 are a turning point for civilization. It's not just an attack on the Jew among the nations, the state of Israel, or on Jews around the world in their wake. This is an attack by genocidal terror organization that in its charter is committed to the annihilation of Israel and the murder of Jews like Mein Kampf, but a proxy of a genocidal terror regime committed to the precise same thing. The annihilation of the state of Israel and the murder of Jews and this is not just an attack as I said on the state of Israel or on Jews around the world. It is an attack on civilization as we know it because that very same regime calls to build an alternate reality on the rubble of our civilization. What happened on 10-7 is not just a Jewish issue. While we may be the bloody canary in the Mein Kampf literally on the front of this war what I tried to bring in my trips abroad is the urgency and existential nature of this war as I said to the foundations of democracies to our shared values of life and of liberty. Forgive me this might be somewhat of a crude question but what does it morph into what is your concern then if if we've seen antisemitism spike and I want to start maybe with the college spaces the universities in the United States for example if if it's already so severe what can it morph into what is your concern what are you hoping to prevent? Well we got a little peek of what we have to prevent and that is actually the murder of Paul Kessler in LA in a demonstration holding an Israeli flag and we should all be saying his name. He was murdered in a demonstration in support of the state of Israel's right to exist and let's be clear the demonstrations that we see the other demonstrations that we see are not in support of Palestinians they're not in support of anything they are pro-murder and pro-burning and pro-rape they're in support of Hamas genocidal terror very clearly calling for from the river to the sea which is an annihilationist call to annihilate the state of Israel it basically echoes the Hamas Charter what we have to prevent on all spaces and we said the international institutions like the UN university spaces that are now seeing Jewish students attacked streets or homes of Jews that are being marked with stars of David around the world in Berlin on the streets of Washington and so forth this is the responsibility of countries everywhere that understand that as I said this is an assault or an attack on our shared principles of life and of liberty the responsibility to actually not only speak about or adopt the international Holocaust remembrance alliance definition of anti-semitism a working definition that was created precisely in order to be able to identify this modern mutated form of anti-semitism that is anti-Zionism or the negation of Israel's right to exist in any border and I want to be clear anybody that cannot unequivocally condemn the atrocities of October 7th is not supporting Palestinians or peace or humanity they are supporting the genocidal terror war crimes crimes against humanity and what international law experts have called the makings of genocide we have to be very clear about that so that there should be a unequivocal condemnation and be what I would hope is responsible Palestinian leadership that acknowledge that it is Palestinians held hostage by the very same genocidal terror that we know uses Palestinian children as human shields we know that they use them as sacrifice we know that they build their headquarters below hospitals and schools and mosques and the only single entity responsible for all of the deaths the murder and the deaths the unfortunate and tragic deaths that may be happening and will may still happen in Gaza is Hamas a genocidal terror organization that has to be with moral clarity the way that we fight this unconventional war for public opinion so back back to the roadmap though of if there are these protests and we do see so many of those students at these campuses that you visited that are either flat out equating their acceptance of Hamas and Hamas's actions or creating some sort of different approach to how they rationalize what's happened to how they rationalize 10-7 if that's already their stance where do you go from here to change those minds well we're talking about democratic countries that have law enforcement mechanisms that have to be able to identify and combat that systematic and systemic anti-semitism that Jew hatred that has been enabled in a process of dehumanizing and delegitimizing and applying double standards to individual Jews and to the proverbial Jew among the nations to the state of Israel if countries that that that are not that are mandated and entrusted to be able to uphold promote and protect those foundational principles and life of life and liberty or other spaces universities all spaces that enable this to thrive don't take responsibility this does not threaten only the Jews we see that most of these demonstrations are actually anti-west not pro-Palestinian and this is a threat as I said to the foundations of democracies and we have the tools to hold to account to implement the laws that we have in many of the universities there are regulations that have been violated over time and all of these have to be upheld and applied very very clearly right now because that sense of urgency and that existential threat is as I said to our civilization as we know it not just to Israel or to Jews around the world okay thank you so much for joining us and we really appreciate that perspective Benita thank you thank you so much our correspondent Zach Anders speaking to Mikhail Kotler Wynch Israel special envoy for combating anti-semitism lie from southern Israel thank you very much ambassador your thoughts very powerful words there from Mikhail Kotler Wynch your takeaways what stood out for you very powerful thoughts and I'm very pleased that we have such a special envoy to combat terrorism she's outspoken she's strong and her voice is well heard now I know the extent of the problem because you know I speak with friends all over the world so tell us the extent of the problem the problem is a real problem in democracies and liberal countries and this is what is frightening in the US and in Europe for example I have friends in Italy in France in England you know yesterday in England half a million people march through the streets of London shouting not anti-israeli slogan those were anti-semitic slogans against the Jews and when you say Palestine from the river to the sea what does it mean you throw the Jews into the sea because there's no place for an Israel people know that what's going on on the campuses in the United States you know I know personally students who have come back to Israel since the beginning of the war not only have they come back they're also engaged in the IDF but you can you cannot be a Jew on a on an American campus who could imagine that and look in France what President Macron said walking back his comments now in a phone call to Israeli president 24 no 48 hours ago he should have made this quote immediately you know what does it mean to say that we are killing babies and women Jews not Israeli Jews are killing baby and women you remember all the accusation against Jews killing babies and Macron made this terrible mistake I don't believe that he's anti-semitic but I am sure that his words have inflamed anti-semitic feelings in France today on a day where all over France they are rallies against anti-semitic and who is not there Benita who is not there Macron is not there you know previous there in spirit absolute presidents in France Mitterrand took part because it took part he Macron know he made a terrible mistake now he's sorry he called her talk it's not enough and again he says he will be at the protest in spirit as you say not enough after words like that calls for a ceasefire and Gaza are becoming louder in the Arab world Dr. Shimoni your take on that pressure out of the Arab world what kind of impact does it have right now it's been made very clear there will be no ceasefire in Israel's eyes unless all hostages are released we have a good relationship with many Arab states and with many Arab entities and the condition that enable these good relations are the fact that they recognized Israel they recognize the right of Israel to exist we're dealing now with a terrorist organization called Hamas who wants to destroy Israel and for the time being there's for the short term there's no other solution but a military solution to this and the aim of the war the two aims of the war one is to get back our hostages but the big aim of the war is to dismantle Hamas's military abilities and we're fighting against that I believe Israel will not agree to a ceasefire that will stop us from reaching these two goals and they're they're entangled with each other because if we win Hamas will get the hostages back and if we get the hostages back it will be easier for us to beat Hamas so I think Israel will try to maintain the war going on we will agree and we have agreed to small pauses especially to allow the Gaza citizens to flee to the south but and again if there's a big exchange of prisoners if our hostages on mass are coming back to Israel yes that will enable the ceasefire yes it would be dangerous yes the Hamas will try to regroup where reorganize it re-equip itself but it will be worth that risk could I add a word to what Dr. Shimoni just said yesterday at this very huge gathering of not only Arab but also Muslims head of state and we saw many there was a motion presented to cut ties with Israel or to not say cut ties but to boycott Israel okay and there were about 10 Arab countries who voted against it and it is difficult for all those with whom we have friendly relation they all voted against it and it is not easy for an Arab country to do so certainly isn't easy and we keep watching the dynamics as they're changing very briefly we don't have much time left the way Iran is pulling the strings right now with all these developments that we're discussing right now break it down for us very briefly yeah Iran is enemy number one and Iran for the time being is hiding behind Hezbollah and behind Hamas and behind the Houthi but the day may come that we will have to confront Iran directly because this is from there that come the threat to the existence of the state of Israel very briefly Dr. Shimoni your insights on the role Iran is playing at this juncture very briefly as the ambassador said the Iran is orchestrating the whole episode here in the Middle East they're using proxies they don't dare to confront us directly they know that the United States is backing us militarily and politically in case Iran will will interfere but they are behind the whole scene of course Dr. David Shimoni ambassador Avi Pazner always appreciate your insights thank you so much for being with us here in studio day 37 of the war and that is where we wrap up this edition of our breaking news coverage I'm Bernice Levine Intel Arvive our rolling coverage continues shortly stay tuned this is i24 news thank you for watching is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where she as our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well news edition I'm Bernice Levine coming to you live from Tel Aviv we start with news just in the IDF confirming that 15 projectiles have been launched from southern Lebanon towards Israeli territory in the past hour siren sounding in the western Galilee near the coastline including in Akkor just a short while ago in recent hours Hezbollah claiming responsibility for an anti-tank guided missile attack from Lebanon several civilians wounded near the community of Dover the Israeli military responding in Gaza heavy fighting inside the strip close to the Shefa hospital a crucial landmark as it's located above the Hamas terror command center in northern Gaza thousands of Palestinian civilians making use of the humanitarian corridor to flee to the southern parts of the Gaza strip in southern Israel siren sounding moments ago in the Kerim Shalom area warning of incoming rocket fire from Gaza towards Israeli communities day 37 of the war a war that started on the 7th of October with a Hamas terror onslaught in southern Israel in which 1400 people were slaughtered 239 people remain in captivity in Gaza abducted by the terror group on that day so for more we welcome to studio Dr. David Shimoni commander at the commanders for Israel's security and Avi Paznara former Israeli ambassador to France and Italy and former world chairman of Karen Hayes sword the united Israel appeal gentlemen thank you both so much for being here in the studio Dr. Shimoni I'm going to start with you because there are developments right now on several fronts anti-tank missiles sent from southern Lebanon towards Israel civilians have been hurt rocket fire coming from Gaza into Israeli communities no one hurt siren sounding several times over the course of the afternoon and of course troops inside the Gaza strip getting closer and closer to she for hospital which is located above the terror command center your assessment of what is unfolding all at once well I'll start with the north we're seeing a gradual escalation of hostilities in the north but it's gradual and it's very limited so yes unfortunately a precise anti-tank missile hit a group of civilian workers and they have people who were badly hurt and we have now about 15 rockets that were fired by the way by Hamas they claim not by Hezbollah to the western gallery we don't see yet a big major offensive in the north nor by Hezbollah neither by the IDF it's getting worse all the time it intensifies we see that Israeli forces are air force are hitting further north into Lebanon with greater force but it's still not the big war and I think for the time being both Israel and Hezbollah are trying to play a very delicate game of challenging each other but still maintaining some kind of restraint over the the amount of power that is used and the damage that we can inflict on each other in Gaza the situation is terrible for the civilians who remained in the city of Gaza but in the past two three days we've seen a large volume of civilians escaping which means that they got the message it took a long time to deliver the message that being in in the city of Gaza is dangerous we do not want to harm civilians and many many of them now escape also that means that the grip that Hamas officials and military forces had on the population is reduced so because for example yesterday we heard about a Hezbollah terrorist who a Hamas terrorist who held about 1000 Gaza civilians and didn't permit them to cross to the south but he was hit and killed staggering to think that it is Hamas stopping civilians from leaving and getting to safety yes because that's their strategy they hide behind civilians that's what is making our fighting in Gaza very difficult and of course I'm sure the ambassador will be able to address it better than me but public opinion is turning against us seeing the scenes of the the destruction in in Gaza yeah that is something we're going to unpack in more detail shortly but right now gentlemen stay with us we're going to go to our correspondent Mary Makalov she joins us from northern Israel and Mary those sirens sounding in the western Galilee earlier and just a short while ago in Akko as well bring us up to speed what is the latest there that's right Bonitas we can bring those sirens in Akko in this area some of these sirens ringing out in further south areas pretty far from the border those were rockets that were fired from inside southern Lebanese territory into Israel the IDF said that four were intercepted and the rest fell into open areas we don't have any reports of injuries or casualties or damage yet coming from those we do know that Hamas the Lebanese branch of Hamas has taken responsibility for these rockets being fired tiring it to the ongoing operation inside Gaza but throughout the day we've had a number of different incidents here on the border sirens often ringing out especially in these communities that are really lying on the border and most of these sirens that were caused were either caused by anti-tank missiles fired across the border or from the sounds of mortars that were triggering these sirens we know the IDF is actively responding with artillery we can hear some of the sounds of that artillery from where we are here the IDF is also conducting a number of different airstrikes and it comes as we had a number of different injuries throughout the day caused by these anti-tank missiles that Hezbollah has been using to launch across the border towards these Israeli areas that are really next to the border so inside northern Israel at least 10 have been injured at least one is in critical condition from that and the IDF is now confirming that seven soldiers were injured from a similar anti-tank missile attack that struck their unit but saying all of those injuries were lightly injured and this coming a day after Hezbollah Chief Hassan Asrallah was speaking out he had a tough message for the United States and Israel but still not saying that Hezbollah is fully involved in the fighting bring us up to speed on his messaging that's right well Nasrallah's message what we heard yesterday it's also a similar message that we heard a week ago when he delivered his first remarks since the beginning of this war broke out but they say for their part that Hezbollah is actively engaged with this fighting whether or not that's going to turn into an all-out war continuing to say that that lies on Israel also blaming the Americans but saying that they're very closely watching what's happening inside the Gaza Strip they're watching Israel's invasion take place what's happening there and also what's happening in southern Lebanon with Israel responding to a number of different strikes targeting Hezbollah tear infrastructure inside southern Lebanon but also just artillery shelling the number of different areas that they've also put the onus on Israel saying that they're watching carefully that if they're going to be civilian deaths and if Israel escalates the situation any further that will mean that it's a step for them to go even further into this all-out war for now though Hezbollah does seem to seem pretty content with keeping the situation is launching these attacks across the border but today they had a number of different successes by injuring a number of different people in two separate incidents both soldiers and civilians alike so whether or not this is a sign that Hezbollah now despite what Nasrallah said yesterday is taking the decision to step up this war we still have to wait to see exactly what unfolds here but I can just tell you this area is definitely on high alert stay safe correspondent Mary Makalov live from northern Israel thank you for the update Mary and still in studio Dr. David Shimoni and Ambassador Avi Pazner and Avi I'd like your take on exactly what we just heard there from Mary the concerns around what is transpiring up north another speech from Hassan Nasrallah waiting Israel to hear if he's going to get fully involved or not but however it's described we are seeing more and more escalations provocations whatever you want to describe them as happening across the northern front and civilians have been hurt all right you're absolutely right after every speech of Nasrallah we see an escalation a limited I must say limited escalation but it hurts today we had several people wounded there were also people killed last week and we have to be here very conscient of the fact that more important than the speeches of Nasrallah we have to measure what's going on in the on the ground and to see where this escalation is leading us because you know the moment of an escalation it's upward you know and here sometimes they are very very gentile line that if you cross them you get into another round so for the time being we have been able to maintain the fire under control if I can say so but we have to take into consideration that without prior warning Nasrallah can change the rule of the game we have been surprised one on the 7th of October even though now we are pretty much confident we have matters in hand and yes we're doing a good job there are about 70 or 80 terrorists from Hezbollah who have been killed since the beginning of this campaign the IDF is doing a good job but let's not take Nasrallah for granted it can change policy from one day to the other. Dr. Shimoni I want to turn our focus to what is happening right now in the Gaza Strip not only are troops getting closer and closer to Shifa Hospital which again is located above the terror command center of Hamas complicating fighting no doubt but over and above that the hearts of the nation waiting for word on the 239 hostages held in captivity somewhere across the Gaza Strip and now reports of a possible deal and I say reports because it was a Biden administration official speaking to American media already refuted on Reuters as well but how would a prisoner exchange if true impact the way Hamas deals in terms of its fighting strategy it gives the time to regroup your thoughts well first of all we're talking about a hostage negotiation process so there's a lot of disinformation and misinformation and we don't know anything and we will not know anything until we see hopefully all of our hostages come back you mentioned President Biden he made it clear from the beginning of this war that he personally wants to bring the all of the hostages back and we know that he sent the chief of the CIA to Israel and to Qatar and to Egypt trying to negotiate a deal I think what's changing now is until a few days ago we were talking about how many prisoners will Israel release for how many hostages that the Hamas will release but the equation is now changed because now I think the Hamas leaders are fighting for their life and their life and safety will be a factor in the in the equation okay so we have to add into the negotiation some assurance that may they might seek to get some asylum to get away out a safe escape from Gaza and this improves our bargaining situation something we're going to discuss in more detail shortly but right now gentlemen stay with us we're going to cross to our correspondent Zach Anders and he joins us from southern Israel Zach what update can you share right now well Benita I want to bring you perspective from Mikhail Kotler once she's Israel's special envoy for combating anti-Semitism and the last several weeks of course you you took this role just before the 10-7 attacks the last several weeks being pivotal in international spaces you just spoke at the United Nations tell us a little bit about what it is exactly that your role has been involved with and what is the message that you're bringing to the United Nations so I think that 10-7 in many ways exposed many many masks the atrocities of 10-7 were fueled by deep and lethal anti-Semitism and it is precisely the same anti-Semitism that stokes the responses to the atrocities to the war crimes to the crimes against humanity of 10-7 that deny that justify that support and that attack Jews around the world in their wake that is a critical piece of what actually brought me to go on this going to be my third emergency trip to the places in which Jews are attacked literally on the streets in campuses definitely in social media spaces for the various atrocities perpetrated against their people in the Jewish nation state do you find that the response right now I we see so many different nation states that have changed their tone and their attitude I think would be a fair way to put it what is the reception is it is it positive or is there pushback because of what's happening behind us in Gaza so you know what was actually amazing and in a very sad kind of way was how quickly the world moved on from the atrocities that I just described the babies were burned that entire families were burned alive that women were raped so badly their legs couldn't be straightened for their burial that is not something that Israel can just put behind it like any country would not be able to the atrocities of 10-7 are a turning point for civilization it's not just an attack on the Jew among the nations the state of Israel or on Jews around the world in their wake this is an attack by genocidal terror organization that in its charter is committed to the annihilation of Israel and the murder of Jews like Mein Kampf but a proxy of a genocidal terror regime committed to the precise same same thing the annihilation of the state of Israel and the murder of Jews and this is not just an attack as I said on the state of Israel or on Jews around the world it is an attack on civilization as we know it because that very same regime calls to build an alternate reality on the rubble of our civilization what happened on 10-7 is not just a Jewish issue while we may be the bloody canary in the mineshaft literally on the front of this war what I tried to bring in my trips abroad is the urgency and existential nature of this war as I said to the foundations of democracies to our shared values of life and of liberty forgive me this might be somewhat of a crude question but what does it morph into what is your concern then if if we've seen antisemitism spike and I want to start maybe with the college spaces the universities in the United States for example if if it's already so severe what can it morph into what is your concern what are you hoping to prevent well we got a little peek of what we have to prevent and that is actually the murder of paul kesler in la in a demonstration holding an israeli flag and we should all be saying his name he was murdered in a demonstration in support of the state of israel's right to exist and let's be clear the demonstrations that we see the other demonstrations that we see are not in support of palestinians they're not in support of anything they are pro-murder and pro-burning and pro-rape they're in support of hamas genocidal terror very clearly calling for from the river to the sea which is an annihilationist call to annihilate the state of israel it basically echoes the hamas charter what we have to prevent on all spaces and we said the international institutions like the un university spaces that are now seeing jewish students attacked streets or homes of jews that are being marked with stars of david around the world in berlin on the streets of washington and so forth this is the responsibility of countries everywhere that understand that as i said this is an assault or an attack on our shared principles of life and of liberty the responsibility to actually not only speak about or adopt the international holocaust remembrance alliance definition of anti-semitism a working definition that was created precisely in order to be able to identify this modern mutated form of anti-semitism that is anti-zionism or the negation of israel's right to exist in any border and i want to be clear anybody that cannot unequivocally condemn the atrocities of october 7th is not supporting palestinians or peace or humanity they are supporting the genocidal terror war crimes crimes against humanity and what international law experts have called the makings of genocide we have to be very clear about that so that there should be a unequivocal condemnation and be what i would hope is responsible palestinian leadership that acknowledge that it is palestinians health hostage by the very same genocidal terror that we know uses palestinian children as human shields we know that they use them as sacrifice we know that they build their headquarters below hospitals and schools and mosques and the only single entity responsible for all of the deaths the murder and the deaths the unfortunate and tragic deaths that may be happening and will may still happen in gaza is hamas a genocidal terror organization that has to be with moral clarity the way that we fight this unconventional war for public opinion so back back to the roadmap though of if there are these protests and we do see so many of those students at these campuses that you visited that are either flat out equating their acceptance of hamas and hamas's actions or creating some sort of different approach to how they rationalize what's happened how they rationalize 10 7 if that's already their stance where do you go from here to change those minds well we're talking about democratic countries that have law enforcement mechanisms that have to be able to identify and combat that systematic and systemic anti-semitism that jew hatred that has been enabled in a process of dehumanizing and delegitimizing and applying double standards to individual jews and to the proverbial jew among the nations to the state of israel if countries that that that are not that are mandated and entrusted to be able to uphold promote and protect those foundational principles and life of life and liberty or other spaces universities all spaces that enable this to thrive don't take responsibility this does not threaten only the jews we see that most of these demonstrations are actually anti-west not pro-palestinian and this is a threat as i said to the foundations of democracies and we have the tools to hold to account to implement the laws that we have in many of the universities there are regulations that have been violated over time and all of these have to be upheld and applied very very clearly right now because that sense of urgency and that existential threat is as i said to our civilization as we know it not just to israel or to jews around the world okay thank you so much for joining us and we really appreciate that perspective uh bonita thank you thank you so much our correspondent zack and speaking to michael kotler wunsch israel special envoy for combating anti-semitism lie from southern israel thank you very much ambassador your thoughts very powerful words there from michael kotler wunsch your takeaways what stood out for you very powerful thoughts and i'm very pleased that we have such a special envoy to combat terrorism she's outspoken she's strong and her voice is well heard now i know the extent of the problem because you know i speak with friends all over the world so tell us the extent of the problem the problem is a real problem in democracies and liberal countries and this is what is frightening in the us and in europe for example i have friends in italy in france in england you know yesterday in england half a million people march through the streets of london shouting not anti-israeli slogan those were anti-semitic slogans against the jews and when you say palestine from the river to the sea what does it mean you throw the jews into the sea because there's no place for an israel people know that what's going on on the campuses in the united states you know i know personally students who have come back to israel since the beginning of the war not only have they come back they're also engaged in the idf but you can you cannot be a jew on a on an american campus who could imagine that and look in france what president macron said walking back his comments now in a phone call to israeli president i think it's too late 24 no 48 hours ago he should have made this quote immediately you know what does it mean to say that we are killing babies and women jews not israeli jews are killing baby and women you remember all the accusation against jews killing babies and macron made this terrible mistake i don't believe that he's anti-semitic but i am sure that his words have inflamed anti-semitic feelings in france today on a day where all over france they are rallies against anti-semitic and who is not there benita who is not there macron is not there you know previous previous friends absolute presidents in france miteran took part sarcosi took part he macron no he made a terrible mistake now he's sorry he called health talk it's not enough and again he says he will be at the protest in spirit as you say not enough afterwords like that calls for a ceasefire and gaza are becoming louder in the arab world dr shamoney your take on that pressure out of the arab world what kind of impact does it have right now it's been made very clear there will be no ceasefire in israel's eyes unless all hostages are released we have a good relationship with many arab states and with many arab entities and the condition that enable these good relations are the fact that they recognized israel they recognize the right of israel to exist we're dealing now with a terrorist organization called hamas who wants to destroy israel and for the time being there's for the short term there's no other solution but a military solution to this and the aim of the war the two aims of the war one is to get back our hostages but the big aim of the war is to dismantle hamas's military abilities and we're fighting against that i believe israel will not agree to a ceasefire that will stop us from reaching these two goals and they're entangled with each other because if we win hamas we'll get the hostages back and if we get the hostages back it will be easier for us to beat hamas so i think israel will try to maintain the war going on we will agree and we have agreed to small pauses especially to allow the gaza citizens to flee to the south but and again if there's a big exchange of prisoners if our hostages on mass are coming back to israel yes that will enable a ceasefire yes it will be dangerous yes the hamas will try to regroup we're reorganize uh it re-equip itself but it will be worth that that risk could i add a word to what dr shimoni just said yesterday at this very huge gathering of not only arab but also muslims head of state with so many there was a motion presented to cut ties with israel or to not say cut ties but to boycott israel okay and there were about 10 arab countries who voted against it and it is difficult for all those with whom we have friendly relation they all voted against it and it is not easy for an arab country to do so certainly isn't easy and we keep watching the dynamics as they're changing very briefly we don't have much time left the way iran is pulling the strings right now with all these developments that we're discussing right now break it down for us very briefly yeah iran is enemy number one and iran for the time being is hiding behind khizballah and behind hamas and behind the khuti but the day may come that we will have to confront iran directly because this is from there that come the threat to the existence of the state of israel very briefly dr shimoni your insights on the role iran is playing at this juncture very briefly as the ambassador said the iran is orchestrating the whole the whole episode here in the middle east they're using proxies they don't dare to confront us directly they know that the united states is backing us militarily and politically in case iran will will interfere but they are behind the whole scene of course dr david shimoni ambassador always appreciate your insights thank you so much for being with us here in studio day 37 of the war and that is where we wrap up this edition of our breaking news coverage i'm bonisa levine intel aviv our rolling coverage continues shortly stay tuned this is i24 news thank you for watching israel is at war make an investment in israel bonds it is the most powerful and 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of israel our correspondent mary mccall if he's standing by and mary talk us through all the latest developments if you would a little bit of a sound problem there we'll try and get mary back up on the line for you in a moment let me introduce to you then my studio guest this hour buggy dear general hanan geffen he's the former commander of the eight two hundred intelligence unit in the idf thank you very much for being with us so quite a lot of developments today with regard to hezbollah the terrorist group that is based in lebanon we've had an anti-tank mortar fired at israel six people wounded one in a serious condition this is quite an escalation is it not yeah we have it's an escalation but still in the in the borders that we know for the last months and so it's interesting to mention that the hezbollah it was immediately reacting and said he was actually targeting civilians but they are actually actually installing some intelligent device a kind of military equipment just to make sure that it's i'm really sorry to interrupt you and we're going to i want to pick up on that i want to head back to the north there because we do now have mary mary hi yes good evening laura so i just want to say we had a number of different attacks throughout the day here most of those caused by anti-tank missile attacks one of them causing a number of civilian casualties those were transferred to ziv medical center in spot inside northern israel where one remains in serious condition another one who is still remaining in hospital but his condition has improved he's now said to be in light condition but we also saw another anti-tank missile attack on a group of soldiers near the manara area those causing four injuries among idf soldiers all of those were said to be lightly injured though and then following that we also had a number of rocket sirens ringing out in several areas inside northern israel going as far south as kirjabbalek next to his hypha those said were said to be most of them were intercepted or at least falling in open areas the idf says for now they don't have any reports of injuries or damage caused from that but what we do know is idf is responding harshly inside southern lebanon to the series of attacks that we've seen throughout the day today using both airstrikes but also shelling a number of different areas we can hear the sounds of shelling from our area definitely striking hard in response to this chaotic day here and this just a day after yet another or two days i should say after another speech by the hezbollah leader hassan asrallah who has not really changed his position has he no that's right yesterday so yesterday hassan asrallah spoke again at this ceremony and it was a very similar message what we heard last week when everybody in this area was very fearful about what exactly he was going to say but hezbollah for its part seems to content with what they've been doing so far which is having to keep the idf on its toes here in the north while the operation goes on in gaza continuing to also be a thorn in the side of the israeli military here causing them to divert a number of different resources here whether that's troops or iron dome batteries hezbollah for its part says that that's what it's doing for the palestinian cause and that they're saying that they've already been actively engaged in the war all right mary thank you very much indeed mary mccall if there or hanan geffen is with me in the studio and i'm sorry to interrupt you just to mention but hezbollah is trying to keep it very hard in line with this equation that it's stating that he's sticking to it not targeting only military targets the ones that target the civilians are the palestinians so this is going on for the last 30 days it's interesting to mention that they targeted the civilians electricians they're working in one of the villages there in the dove and they were very hard they tried to explain that they actually attacked the military target saying that they were installing some equipment some military equipment so on and so they are not they're actually civilians yeah it's civilian so they take a lot of care to make sure that they believe it was a part of a military support or so on so this is what's going on what more interesting is from the hezbollah point of view is the thing that they hear from israel because in the last days they heard from the defense minister from mr gants from mr and tanyao they heard that israel will not accept the situation that was prior to 7th of october did the situation will have to be changed that's the situation with a terrorist group on israel's border pointing tens of thousands of missiles yeah and they were sitting actually near on the border uh uh moving there uh freely um while the situation that israel has hinted that they are going we are there want to see the hezbollah uh confined to the and also for the titani which is part of an agreement that they are you and decision that the hezbollah disobeyed and in many ways find to break down this this agreement so do you think that israel should respond more harshly to hezbollah no it's it's now it's the decision of israel because israel is preoccupied with the one one front and uh it wants to stick to this front the americans aware and and advise israel not to attack lebanon i don't know in in in parallel or wait but uh if i see it from the point of view i'm an intelligent guy so i'm trying to think what mr hezbollah deep in his bunker thinking and he heard the voices from israel things will be changed so he might uh taken he might do one two things one to be more careful not to give us or any exchange to change the situation or on the contrary trying to find a good time to try to change to initiate an attack to attack okay yeah all right stay with us hanan geffen we're going to have a look at this report now because um as hanan just pointed out israel's defense minister uh was in the north yesterday and he warned that beirut could face the same fate as gaza if hezbollah continues to attack israel our defense correspondent johnathan regev has more sunday's anti-tank strike on the israel lebanon border this is what hezbollah is looking to achieve eating israeli is on the border fence knowing that the israeli response will also remain on the border but not beyond the second front in the north has been active since day one of isra's war with hamas but still with the certain mutual understandings the fighting takes place almost entirely on the border area and not beyond most of the targets hit by hezbollah are military and not civilian and israel does not strike too deep inside lebanon but looks mostly for hezbollah targets on the border will this continue to be the case as the campaign in gaza continues and hamas is eventually toppled no one really knows hezbollah hezbollah is dragging lebanon into a war that may happen what we are now doing in gaza we can also do in beirut and therefore i hope that hezbollah will act appropriately and hasa nasrallah will not provoke us because his aggression is unacceptable to us at least on the ground the hezbollah leader is sending the message he's not impressed in recent days we have witnessed a new wave of threats from the israeli leadership they are concerned from what is happening on our front in terms of quantity quality and depth of course we will continue in this position and this performance hezbollah had various chances to expand the war but chose not to that is why the cautious assumption in israel is that the situation on the lebanon border will not escalate into a full on war is that good news not necessarily we must not agree to keep the situation as it is we have a national obligation to eradicate hezbollah as we are now doing with hamas in the south the state must act the same way here in the north the streets are empty in the evacuated northern border communities with the residents return once the war is over knowing that hezbollah is just across the fence and the terrible images seen in the gaza border could repeat themselves here a very serious question which for the moment does not have an answer well let me bring in now left-hand colonel sarid zahabi the founder and president of the alma research and education center thank you very much for being with this side so what do you read into events over the past 24 hours first that visit to the north by defense minister gallant and this attack today by hezbollah yeah of course this is a another step in the gradual escalation than to we see since october 8 it started with two incident a day and then it raised and then after i df successfully dealt with the anti-tank swads so hezbollah is adding uavs a little more targeting civilians that are operating in these areas of of the communities that now became close military zones every day we see a little more and you saw that hamas claimed responsibility for the rockets but actually it is clear to everybody who is responsible to to the whole policy and the whole strategy that is coming out of lebanon what i see of that i i think that for nasrata the situation now is is excellent israel practically evacuated 60 000 people as the mayor of shlomi just said we don't understand when they are going to be back and it takes a idea becomes busy with an active north and front while everybody is denying the world war and eventually it can deteriorate into something which is much higher scale than what it is today and i think everybody is aware of that on both sides do you think that nasralla wants an escalation and is he deterred at all by what we heard from the defense minister yesterday saying that bay root could very quickly look like gaza i'd say two things first we should avoid using the word deterrence anymore it's irrelevant to what is happening here we have learned that on october 7 and second we have been saying that in the past two years nasralla wants to drug israel into war except he's not interested in doing so for any palestinian cause but for the interest of lebanon and mostly the interests of iran wants to put face as we see as if he's doing something good for lebanon so that's why it is trying to drug israel rather than initiate a full-scale operation like what hamas had done but if you look carefully at nasralla's speech yesterday you can learn that something was changed other than the gradual escalation that we talked about nasralla in this speech connected very clearly the campaign to the sheaite axis it's not anymore this is hamas business and i am just far behind it's a sheaite axis active for various fronts which nasralla described in a lot of details and he also related to the lebanese front and he said as long as this campaign is longer there are more challenges to the state of israel other than just a direct security challenge like economic and international etc so i don't know i believe nasralla is interested in escalation i don't know exactly at which point this escalation will happen um stay with us sarita havey um hanan geffen uh do you agree with that um everyone is avoiding the word war but that is what's going on in the north right now and deterrence clearly isn't working no it's not in the war it's not a war yet because it's mentioned it's it's it's only it's it's very uh it's contained very much and very carefully for saturday so so the guidelines for both sides but the situation uh since the gaza is going on and dragging on that might change the the views uh not from israel by the word because israel uh actually is ready to this war from day one the the reservoirs were called in and the the the the the divisions were set on place and everything is ready from day one or day two uh not from israel but the question is whether nasralla uh will go that that far or it might be that after you see what happens in gaza and i it's a far it's a far picture right now but you might think that you better try to concede to what you and will will dictate going back to a resolution 1701 which is deletani as i mentioned which is perfect right now but it might be the case after he sees what happened and gaza is finished so israel can move its thousands of civilians back to the northern border towns with nasralla still sitting in his bunker with those missiles still pointing at each other that will not be that will be a resolution different resolution which is the the list that is really agreed that is most of all of his power all of his uh his elite power will be 20 kilometers from the border above beyond the deletani river sorry to have you would that be acceptable to israel then i hope not because above the leetani river there are a military capabilities that can threaten our very existence here with regard to uh accurate missiles uh 2000 drones that are also accurate nasralla already said clearly that he has the capabilities to try to destroy infrastructures in israel now i know that we have defense systems that are very effective and i i totally believe that they are very effective but it is clear to us today after what happened in october 7th that we can no longer enable any terrorist organization to continue to grow whether it's an invasion capabilities or rocket's capabilities it doesn't matter and that's why i don't think it should always be concerned with regard to 1701 it should be concerned to 1559 which is a resolution that talks about disarm in khizballah now i believe that everybody will agree that he's but we never agree to just disarm because he saw what is happening in gaza this is the opposite logic to the very existence of this terrorist organization so what do you see is the solution inside because the idea is right now as sometimes and then points out tied up in gaza the solution with being non compromised the solution should be uh israel working along with the international community making sure that there is no khizballah in lebanon for the benefit of the israelis and for the benefit of the lebanese this is the only solution i don't know whether it's kinetic or diplomatic i don't know it is definitely not going to happen just and khizballah is not going just to agree to this kind of solution but that's the only way that can promise prosperity and a true change in the reality not only here but again also in the middle east i am talking to you from my bomb shelter at home nine kilometers from the border the reality that we are experiencing here up north in the past months or so uh it's something that we we cannot enable over here in israel we are not going to go back to the eighties and the nineties here okay left hand and kudos to hami thank you very much thank you well that's the situation in the north let's turn our attention to the south because this idf troops move deeper into gaza several rockets today fired at the town surrounding the border the fighting moving ever closer to gaza's sheaf a hospital which the idf has identified as a hamas control center our correspondent zach under us is in the south of israel for us now um and uh zach first of all we should point out um the idf death toll in this operation so far has been revised upwards 42 israeli soldiers have been killed in the fighting so far and on the flip side hamas does not release their numbers so we may be able to get a glimpse of what the engagement has been around the hospital with pictures and some of the open source material but we don't know the level of loss and right now the pictures that we are seeing are showing that idf troops are within a throwing distance of the hospital itself at the same time they're releasing audio phone calls to staff inside the hospital providing some sort of routes a road a clear road for hospital staff to evacuate you have to remember that by all reports by accounts there are still patients including young children babies that are inside this hospital and need to be evacuated need to get away and the idf is reportedly helping offering to help without evacuation as it has facilitated humanitarian corridors for civilians in the north for tens of thousands of civilians already right and then you see the conflicting reports that potentially they're leaving the hospital grounds and then being fired upon and and the idf is telling us that hamas is the ones that are firing upon these people as they try to flee and then access these corridors that the idf is setting up and providing safe passage through an awful situation for those that must still be in in the on the hospital grounds you know for the longest time they've been told by all all their friends and all the people that are still inside gaza city that the hospital would be the safe place the hospital would be the place they could go for protection and now it's turning into the opposite well it is um i think uh almost two weeks since the idf identified that hospital as a hamas command center didn't they right right so to to have those folks then get the conflicting message potentially from hamas as they they argue those points and and hamas telling them no it's it's safe stay here um obviously there'd be a clear advantage for hamas to continue to have civilians inside the building to use them in all sorts of fashions as their fodder which does speak to those reports earlier of the convoy of individuals innocent people with white flags even as they step out onto a road being fired upon yeah and um despite the fierce fighting that's going on inside garter hamas still managing to fire another volley of rockets today's act and those two communities here all across the the southern tip of israel i've been able to speak to a few sources they have clarified that while it's not confirmed these launches have for the most part in the last 24 hours or potentially even the last 48 hours have been coming from the south so the south of the gaza strip so the launches that we are seeing still reach into israel have been coming from rocket launch sites in the southern gaza strip that might speak a little bit to the activity and the level of uh success the idf might be having in the northern gaza strip again where they have told people to evacuate all right zack thank you very much zack andrew's there he's down at the southern border in israel all right well with me in the studio uh hanan gefin uh former commander of the 8200 intelligence unit in the idf um the fighting moving ever closer to the sheafer hospital and the idf i think it was two weeks ago now identified that hospital as a hamas command center this is an extremely complex extremely sensitive mission isn't it yeah it's it's it's not only the the the sheafer hospital there are several others hospitals that where some of them already evacuated some of them are not yet uh these are areas that are known for many years that they are hosting that they are command posts and other facilities of command control under the hospital they believe that the sheafer for long time for many uh in the past many uh operation they were sheltering down in in sheafer we know it we saw it uh this time uh since the mission is to to get rid of hamas different from what we have uh the mission was in the last uh operation the other operation so they have to find ways to go down the hospital itself is not a target the people there are not a not target but the the the underground the the the the tunnels and the and the the command post actual command post i don't know if the commanders and the muhammad are still there probably they have some escape rooms around there in gaza but we have this is a cleaning of this area she find other facilities and it's already the start of a long process it will take maybe months to go after uh the the the commands the the the the the warehouses uh and everything the the hamas for many years have gathered around this metro the the the the tunnels they've embedded themselves in there haven't they tunnels in downtown gaza well prime minister netanyahu has been talking today about what a post hamas gaza might or should look like according to him we can take a listen to him speaking to us media earlier today first the first thing we have to do is destroy hamas because otherwise they'll do it again and again and again and they've said so so we'll destroy hamas the second thing we have to understand is that there has to be an overriding and overreaching israeli military envelope because we've seen any place that we leave we just you know exit give it to some other force very soon terrorism resurgence so we've achieved nothing the third thing we have to understand is that a civilian authority has to cooperate in two goals one is to demilitarize gaza and the second is to deradicalize gaza all right there prime minister netanyahu there speaking to us media earlier today hanan geffen there netanyahu is being a bit more specific about what he thinks gaza should look like in terms of how israel can maintain its security what do you make of that yeah well he's not very clear because he's not very happy with the palestinian sororities and they the way they behave the way the attitude they show to the 7th of october massacres they totally ignored it it's it's angering everybody here but there should have been a palestinian sororities different maybe palestinian sororities israel have a little say i'm afraid because the the the international community and especially the the america the us will take a major lead in it egypt will take a major lead the arab state so israel will be part of a group to try to to constitute a new entity there probably and as to the military part of it actually if i translate it to practical thing it means that we will easily keep the liberty to re enter gaza whenever it has any information that hamas is reorganizing a new group of hamas is there is a similar to the situation in the west bank yeah exactly this is the same we have a sorority which take the care of the day to day life but we are not trusting is we think that are vital to israel they can take off the local local police can act there but whenever a local interest it is my my heart israel vital into israel israel take care we are not going to hand it over to to other to the care one of the allegations leveled against israel is that it is seeking to reoccupy gaza and you have got it ma bengvi and other ministers in the government who say that they are open to the idea of israeli settlements inside gaza yeah everybody tells them you may dream but it will nobody will actually go back to gaza it's not the interest if israel it's israel is not occupying gaza the military activities are not directed to this we are not going to we are not conquering roads and and building and districts the military is going strictly directly to the command post wherever the hamas is once it finish is will go back to it barracks and watch and see what Netanyahu himself said that the idea of israeli settlements in gaza is unrealistic and not something that supports it's a dream yes it's a dream it will not come true but in in terms of maintaining security is that something do you think the international community would allow yes that that it will be allowed there will be if i if i take an example of what happened in the west bank america us built a very strong internal security organ in in in the palestinian authorities they are very effective but they are limited because of the order they get so probably there will be such an an organization cooperating with israel but still is there will have to go inside from time to time to make sure that things will not went the wrong way okay so and of course the difference with the west bank is that there will be no israeli citizens living inside the territory so that would be a purely military but if you take for example jenine or or nablus we see the city we see the the the refugee camps the same is going here hanyona sofiak is the same model or we can see it there okay all right hanan geffen thank you very much we're going to take a very short break stay with us and more after the break of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well thank you for watching i-24 news and calls for a ceasefire in gaza are becoming louder in the arab world this weekend the arab league held a summit in riyadh Saudi arabia calling upon israel to immediately halt its offensive in gaza but the united arab emirates and saudi arabia blocked a call to freeze ties with israel and impose an oil embargo our pierce tackle back has this report elis showing up for the palestinians in an emergency summit five weeks after isles war with hamas began heads of state of several arab and middle eastern countries arrived in riyadh saudi arabia with the goal of applying pressure on the international community to bring about an end to the fighting in gaza the kingdom affirms its categorical rejection of the continuing aggression occupation and forced displacement of the people of gaza and stresses that israel bears responsibility for the crimes committed against palestinian people and resources these arab leaders say israel is committing human rights violations while a humanitarian disaster is unfolding in gaza the president of the palestinian authority calling upon the us and for a diplomatic way out and in this context we hold the united states of america which has the greatest influence on israel responsible for the absence of a political solution turkish president redship type erdogan attended the summit after the turkish-israeli relations significantly deteriorated after the start of israel's war with gaza at the summit erdogan only found very vague words for the hamas massacre in southern israel on october 7 israel is trying to exact revenge for the october 7 attacks which perhaps many of us do not approve of by killing innocents and children and women additionally the international atomic energy agency should investigate the issue the nuclear weapons that israel possesses must be revealed speaking about nuclear weapons iranian president ibrahim racy traveled to saudi arabia for the summit for the first time since iran and saudi arabia restored relations earlier this year racy in his speech reiterated his trademark call to boycott israel the cutting of any sort of political and economic relations with the zionist regime by islamic countries in this context a trade boycott against the zionist regime especially in the energy field should be prioritized syrian president bashar al-asad also attended the summit after being welcomed back into the arab league in an initiative led by saudi arabia the summit's conclusion rejects the notion that the war in gaza is justified by israel's right to defend itself which is disregarded in israel the summit lacks any political power it can be understood as a way of arab and middle eastern leaders to show back home that they do take some form of action well the united arab emirants rejected that call by iran to boycott israel it says it plans to maintain diplomatic ties with the jewish state for more than that we can go to do by we joined by our correspondent basian bori uh basin tell us a bit more about the ua position well the ua position is um is suffering from uh two two things at least uh it's very active but uh they're coming up against um first the survival instinct of benia minnetaño who's for the moment without any kind of concession and second the power of saudi arabia all the gold states as we just saw in this footage are member of the golf cooperation council and as in just about all international organizations uh it's it's the most powerful member that who decides how to proceed and in this case it is saudi arabia so what the emirates are saying pretty much follows the rhythm set by the saudis and and that's how it's been since the start of this of this war um golf communication works in phases for a few days you have very firm condemnations of israel and then of the of the next few days the tone changes katar releases israeli hostages um saudi arabia says that negotiations on the abraham accords will resume and so on and so forth so probably in a few days time the wheel will continue to turn next week we'll probably be talking about new condemnations aimed at the jewish state and so on all because the gold countries including the united abmirates have chosen the the middle way to keep good relations with with everyone well the country's most hostile to israel wanted a much stronger statement didn't they bastia they wanted uh to freeze diplomatic ties um they wanted a committee to appeal to the eu countries on behalf of the palestinians they wanted an oil embargo they wanted to stop the americans uh from transferring weapons uh to israel um is it right that it was the emirates and the saudis that kept that out of the text absolutely um i think that saudis and the emirates are pretty cautious when it comes to israel um firstly because the saudis have very little diplomatic experience with the israelis both the israelis and the palestinians i believe that saudia arabia is either unaware of hamas's power or that it's simply underestimates it but in other case there's a comprehension problem in the last few days before the war i think we talked about this visit of saudi officials in to the palestinian territories including ramallah uh it was the first time this had happened in 16 or 17 years and it clearly shows that the saudis are not interested in the palestinians and the palestinians know this very well ultimately riyadh is just using the palestinian causes leverage to negotiate a peace agreement with israel at great cost uh saudia arabia needs this agreement to have nuclear and solar power and to finally begin its energy transition which with which it is dangerously lagging behind saudi gdp is you know still 50 oil dependent which seems absurd today for a country with such ambitions so the saudis are using uh at the end of the day the palestinians to pressure the israelis who are very reluctant and very worried about the idea of transferring the nuclear technology to saudia arabia yeah it seems as though there's a big disconnect isn't there bastia between what's going on behind the scenes and and what we're actually seeing at these summits as as is always the case absolutely and um to the extent that during this specific summit uh we talked a lot about the uh the scarf of ibrahim racy but i think the crux was was was not a gulf state leader he was mahmoud abbas he used this last form as we just saw in riyadh to position himself and the palestinian authority as a as a potential winner of this war so to speak by emphasizing the billions of dollars that the pa the palestinian authority has spent in gaza since 2007 and and the fact that the pa wouldn't be against ruling the gaza strip from from ramallah or from east russia i mean in the case of the creation of the palestinian state so he um he was on the spotlight bastia thank you very much bastia and bogey there in dubai well with me in the studio hannah geffen is the former commander of isha's eight two hundred intelligence unit and joining us now on the line jonathan shanzer is the senior vice president for the fdd the foundation for the defense of democracies thank you very much for being with us and jonathan i'll start with you um you know the ua e and saudi it was quite extraordinary that they did take those steps to block the strongest anti-israel moves were you expecting that well i i did find it somewhat surprising but at the same time i think we need to understand here that uh the Saudis and the emirates are deeply fearful of iran's influence across the region and of course hamas is uh significantly influenced and funded and armed by iran so there is i think a lot of concern about iranian power expanding as a result of this war it's also important to note uh that hamas is a splinter of the muslim brotherhood movement and of course the saudis and emirates are deeply disdainful and fearful of that as well so there's lots of reasons to try to block measures that would support hamas support iran support the muslim brotherhood so we understand their motivations um and i think uh that certainly informed their decisions at this summit hannah geffen do you think that the summit managed to strike the right turn given the immense pressure that they are under from their own populations it's surprisingly the the decision not to do anything which is the the bottom line of uh might be surprising in uh faced with the the the rhetorics that started these discussions and or the expectation at least um but it goes in line with what we see for the last 10 or more years in and every uh confrontation we have in gaza we have seen the same phrases coming not this time it's more serious but the same bottom line is it is not our problem we are going to help you we are going to give you money we are going to ask the u n to deny we ask other to do to do so uh but you are not going to take any actual action and this is the philistine philistinians time and again are frustrated i would like to mention one thing though and i think it's still it wasn't behind the uh in the in the mind the back the back of the heads is the atrocities of the 7th of october because you have heard of the one is mentioning it it was the everybody all of them are condemning condemning these atrocities and i believe some of them already told the the palestinian leaders the the Hamas leaders that visit the turkey or or even the iranian this is and this is something that shouldn't be done uh and we are not going to be part of of anything that is connected to it it is part we are we didn't see it so much but we hear these things from time to time and i'll do one mention it it even in nasralla last time if the last uh uh speech he had he mentioned it said uh but it wasn't done by the the palestinians he was done by the israeli the we couldn't they're trying to walk back there so it's bothering them it's a thing that are really bothering them well and uh jonathan shows that that's an interesting point isn't it i mean the Saudis have criticized Hamas the Emiratis have criticized Hamas do you think there's a um it kind of a move on behalf of our leadership to really distance themselves from from that behavior which they have called on islamic oh absolutely and i do think that that speech from nasralla from last week it was very interesting you said we you know we did not take part in this you know i think really the emphasis right now is trying to uh call for a ceasefire to defend gossans uh but defending Hamas is something that i'm not sure any of these countries are willing to do i will say though that you know the rhetoric of erdogan the president of turkey was interesting he sort of mentioned it he said that perhaps not all of us approve of this it was a bit half-hearted on his part uh but he's still trying to use this moment as a Hamas supporter himself as someone that has a Hamas headquarters based in istanbul that he has built and welcomed he is i think really walking a tightrope here while trying to distance himself on the one hand but also supporting Hamas on the other and i think the Qataris probably fit in that category the Algerians the Kuwaitis you know you can see that they're a handful of countries that probably wanted a more aggressive posture and even an embrace of Hamas even as others at this summit we're trying to put some distance well um Jonathan i wanted to ask you about Qatar because um a close ally of the united states president biden upgraded the country's status and not so long ago where do you see that relationship headed after this i i see some very murky waters ahead for the united states and Qatar i think that right now the Qataris have at least some leverage because they're being seen as the ones that could facilitate the release of some of these hostages that are either based in Gaza or perhaps elsewhere that i think is really the only card they have left to play when this is over i believe there will be a significant revision of that contract between the united states and Qatar i think we may see the extradition requests forwarded to the Qataris to have some of these senior Hamas officials removed from the country i do think that more broadly the Qatari support for groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS and the Taliban and Hamas all of this i think will come under scrutiny members of congress will be looking at this and so will the administration i could potentially see sanctions in their future unless the Qatari's significantly significantly reduce that Hamas presence and start to take additional action let's talk about iran's president racy in riyadh for the first time in decades it was the first time in decades an iranian leader was in riyadh i should say it was interesting wasn't it to hear racy and the protesters in london chanting for the same thing from the river to the sea what does that say to you racy said very clearly he want to annihilate israel he was the only one and i guess all the all the rest of the the the participant were feeling very embarrassed by him speaking spoke very i think he damaged one of the damages that caused the decision there was his speech because it was so so out of the way that we hear the arab leaders today i don't i don't believe there's any arab leaders that will take such a position of such a stand and he's he was out out of context there and john as he says i mean why do you think that the saudis chose to invite president racy is it a case of better to have him on the inside than the outside or do you think there's more to it i think the saudis are hedging they don't know exactly where this conflict is leading and i think they they wanted to show unity within the muslim world but it was shameful it really is for an american ally to allow the iranian president to be there this is a man who's been supporting the hoothies which have been attacking the saudis over the last decade um this is uh the the same figure that has been supporting hamas and hezbollah a number of other groups that the saudis are opposed to so it was i think a shameful moment for the saudis i think they're probably regretting right now his inclusion in this conference and not just that johnson of course we've had more than 40 attacks by iranian proxies on us troops um in iraq and syria over the past few weeks um i mean any response from the us expected on that well we know we continue to see a us responding there's been 48 or more that we've been able to count of these attacks coming from shia militias and uh in syria and iraq it's obviously clear that the iranians are trying to drag the us into this conflict in some shape or form the us response has been muted until now the i think effort from at least from my vantage point is to try to prevent the spread of this war to a multi-front conflict this is what the us has tried to do from the beginning this is why we have assets in the mediterranean as well as in the persian gulf it's an attempt to deter the iranians and hezbollah unfortunately i think as long as the us is uh sustaining this kind of muted response i don't believe that the iranians or hezbollah will be deterred and actually more weakness or perceived weakness from the united states might encourage the kinds of attacks that we're seeing out of uh lebanon toward israel and out of the shia militias in both syria and iraq this has the potential for real escalation and hanan i mean basha al-assad the syrian president and iran's racy um have killed more muslims in the past decade than uh any other living yeah that's what a joke in the arab world because the muslim the the the sunnis in in in syria uh suffered a lot many of them i think a third of the sunni population was removed from the places spread around the world and this guy coming to speak about the human rights and so on so it's a joke that everybody enjoyed last week in the world and you wanted to say something about the the hussis no i don't know about the the how uh for the saudis to invite uh racy at a time when racy actually actually the hussis uh in in a way they are bounding the us and saudia and israel together they're creating a safe zone there uh trying to to build the early warning system combined with a combining experience so actually israel and saudi arabia together we u s a lot a lot of work to do and i believe there are a lot of cooperation as regard to the hooties let's talk about turkish president oda one then uh who was also at the meeting uh this weekend um and jonathan shan's i mean oda one um has been the most forthright perhaps uh in his uh support for khamas he says it's wrong to call them terrorists they are brave mujahideen um defending their land i mean he's a nato ally uh turkish is a nato ally why do you think he is going so far to to antagonize the united states or is them or to it the the uh the thing about turkey right now you have to understand this is an organization or a country rather that has the hamas terrorist organization there for the better part of a decade more than a decade now this has been um a serious problem for the united states but it's not the only problem for the united states right you got to remember turkey has bought the s 400 system from russia this was in direct contravention of american uh guidance and it actually poses a major cyber threat uh to uh the united states based in turkey they have supported the islamic state they have helped to run evade sanctions to the tune of 20 billion dollars over the last decade turkey i think at this point it's safe to say does not belong in nato at all and i do think that similar to what we're seeing with the kataris we're going to see a similar revision of the contract between the united states and turkey when this is all said and done but until then i do believe that erdoğan is going to continue to stir things up to continue to push for heightened tensions in the region i will note he invoked jerusalem at this summit the other day this was i think a new one for everyone there everybody was focusing on gaza and all the sudden he throws jerusalem which is of course a deeply sensitive issue in the muslim world and the arab world he threw that into the mix it was as if he threw gasoline on the fire i don't think that it took off i don't think that everybody sort of jumped on that talking point but you can see this is where that he would like to take things in the near future all right thank you jonathan well let's take a quick listen uh to erdoğan himself uh speaking at that summit this weekend it's a shame that western countries which always talk about human rights and freedom remain silent in the face of ongoing massacres in palestine well we can go to istanbul now we're joined by journalist ilegi nyakli and ilegi thanks for being with us um and and we just heard some of erdoğan's comments there and as jonathan shanzer was pointing out um he did go much further than any other leader perhaps not as far as president racy of of iran um to criticize israel and as jonathan shanzer put it as throwing fuel on the fire would you go along with that well we have seen that ardoğan has been far more strident in recent weeks um than his arab counterparts um you know and it's important to point out that this is from an ally of israel one that has uh diplomatic relations a huge trade relationship whereas a country like saudi arabia doesn't even have formal diplomatic ties so it certainly distinguishes um ardoğan um and you know he's been pursuing this it seems out of you know pure outrage he is very angered um by the israeli response to the october 7 attacks but as always it's important to note that this is a crisis that he's probably trying to exploit politically at home you know sympathy for palestinians is very widespread and one thing that ardoğan has done successfully here in turkey is almost equate the palestinians with hamas an organization that he has long supported right which is the opposite of what many um palestinian advocates are trying to do and say that the palestinians are not hamas and the palestinians are actually victims themselves uh of hamas i'm wondering how this is affecting his other relationships in in the region um with katar for example that has always been a complicated relationship hasn't it complicated sure but also a very close one um you know both in terms again of you know financial links ideology as well turkey has stood by katar um especially during his crises um with other gulf nations in recent years so in some ways um i would say that they're probably on a closer page what is interesting is that relations um between turkey and egypt and turkey and saudi had been so strained in recent years and this has now put them in this kind of uncomfortable partnership um the crisis in gaza um but it's important to note that those divisions were really a result of ardoğan's perceived support um for the muslim brotherhood um throughout the era world and one has to wonder whether his now a support for hamas um could raise concerns both riyadh and in kyro about his position on the brotherhood at large and i love i mean as you pointed out at the beginning um israel and turkey are uh our countries with relations they do have a strong trading uh partnership given his violent anti-israel rhetoric is ardoğan uh prepared to write off his relationship with israel you know his rhetoric certainly makes it look like he is willing to do that but i just find it confounding uh he has expanded a tremendous amount of um political capital in recent years to repair ties with israel you know he hosted president hardsog i believe it was two years ago and himself was planning before october 7th he had been planning to visit israel and try and make amends with netanyahu with whom he's had a very stormy relationship over the years so after all of that effort um as you know we mentioned the trade relationship which i believe was around seven billion dollars uh last year at least in terms of um exports to israel you know these are really important um areas for turkey and one that i would say i'd be shocked if anyone's willing to throw them away but we can't deny that his rhetoric shows that he is willing to push this as far as he can if it is just if he does stop short of breaking it ilah jeannie thank you very much thank you uh jonathan schanzer i mean do you think that israel can continue to have a relationship with turkey under order one after this i think this is going to produce a significant rupture i i think there's no doubt about that right now uh but look you know turkey's gonna have to get in line um there are a whole host of other countries that i think right now israel is more concerned with uh or jurisdictions let's say uh you know gaza is first in order of battle obviously the escalation that we're seeing in lebanon is a huge problem uh there are rockets coming in from uh from syria that's another problem there are rockets coming in from yemen that's another problem so turkey's in a long line of of uh of countries or jurisdictions that are provoking israel fortunately these are only rhetorical provocations which means that israel has the time and space to deal with this later but i certainly would expect that when the guns eventually fall silent and obviously we have no idea when that will be i think there will be a significant revision once again of that contract between the united states and turkey i think that the europeans certainly are looking at this with a lot of alarm wondering why he looks like he's stirring the pot right now rather than trying to produce a ceasefire trying to produce calm trying to you know maybe even use his leverage with hamas to try to get them to surrender which is what every country right now should be trying to do because the longer this goes on the worse it's going to get for the people of gaza that really should be the message that's being conveyed by the united states by the israelis and by every western capital erdogan needs to stop engaging in this kind of harsh rhetoric and he needs to reign in the proxy that he has been hosting on turkish soil all right jonathan shanzer at the fdd uh brigadier general khanan geffen eile geniacally thank you very much to you all we're going to take a very short break when we come back we'll be heading to europe tens of thousands of people have marched in paris today against anti-semitism we'll talk more about that after the break don't go away made for me a unique concept in israel custom made men's fashion to your measurements made for me designer of all your events schedule your appointment at www.madeforme.co.il made for me official dresser of i-24 news good evening ladies and gentlemen israel is at war make an investment in israel bonds it is the most powerful and direct way to stand with israel visit israel bonds.com and invest now is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well the i-24 news we're coming to you live from televiv and the fighting in gaza is moving ever closer to the city's she fought hospital which the idf has identified as a hamas command center several rockets were fired from the strip at the towns and communities in the south of israel earlier today and israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu has been speaking to us media about how he sees the future for a post hamas gaza take a listen first the first thing we have to do is destroy hamas because otherwise they'll do it again and again and again and they've said so we'll destroy hamas the second thing we have to understand is that there has to be an overriding and overreaching israeli military envelope because we've seen any place that we leave we just you know exit give it to some other force very soon terrorism resurgence so we've achieved nothing the third thing we have to understand is that a civilian authority has to cooperate in two goals one is to demilitarize gaza and the second is to deradicalize gaza well with me in the studio ruth wasma lander is a former mk and a former diplomatic envoy to egypt thank you very much for being with us at ruth we'll get your views on that in just a moment but let's get the very latest from the south of israel and what is going on inside guards of this our correspondent zack andus joins us alive zack what is the latest where you are well laura the battle for shefa hospital is playing out in real time behind us the information that's coming in and showing quite a heavy amount of fighting all around in the streets that border the complex now the idf tells us that they are providing another corridor in fact a specific route directions to the staff inside the hospital on how to get out and that their window of opportunity for doing so is closing the idf has also acknowledged that there are infants that are receiving care on incubators and that they are providing a way for that to get them out they're providing a mechanism to rescue those infants but right now it's not clear exactly how that will happen or when it will happen and a very complex operation for the idf troops zack tell us how many civilians have they managed to get out of north and gaza in recent days so far the humanitarian corridor that has opened up over the last several days this has come in stages they have offered a window of opportunity that lasts several hours and then people can do so at their own volition they can walk through a specific corridor you might have heard another large explosion over my shoulder in the northern gaza strip inside gaza city they're offering a avenue down at one of the coastal roads for folks to south and so far the idf tells us that there have been around 200 000 individuals that have already done so the question now in a city that size and as dense as it is how many people have actually left in comparison to in the stages of this war could still be remaining and of course hamas is still fighting they fired another volley of rockets today didn't they this came from the south of the gaza strip understand yeah it did and that speaks to perhaps what's happening in the operations here in the northern gaza strip where the idf says they have one encircled gaza city two actively engaged several major strong points in bet hanun and jubalia where we continue to see these strikes and what we're hearing are these strikes in this area we can tell by the the distance of the flashes the intricacies of what happens next for some of these areas in the north is going to be quite curious because they are eliminating these rocket launch sites right but the rocket launch sites in the southern gaza strip potentially remain and haven't been targeted as heavily so the idf source is telling me that in the last 24 hours or so the majority of the volleys the barrages on israel have been coming from launch sites in the southern strip all right zack thank you very much indeed zack and this they're into their hot in southern israel i'm with wasma land is with me in the studio let's talk then about the operation currently underway in gaza 42 idf soldiers have now lost their lives over the past 36 days of fighting and it is becoming increasingly complex isn't it as they move towards the the sheaf or hospital it is a real hospital it has patients babies you know innocent people inside it is israel trying to get those people out well the thing is the irony is that israel as opposed to any other military that i've ever heard of and read is doing everything possible to warn people civilians to evacuate and to make sure that the evacuations are done in a manner which actually protects the palestinian civilians and the patients from their very own people the chamas that are hiding underneath the chamas is doing everything in its power to make sure that these patients and civilians do not escape isn't that a crazy world it's exactly the opposite of anything that makes sense and somehow for some reason the message isn't getting across chamas is preventing from patients palestinian patients from escaping in a secure manner to a safe place and the idf is actually supporting the escape the safe passage of these palestinians away from that hospital so they don't get hurt upside down world well as we know it is in the interest of chamas to have as many civilian casualties as possible because that assists them in getting the international community to put pressure on israel to stop fighting chamas i wanted to ask you about the french president Emmanuel Macron he gave an interview to the bbc um and he said uh civilians are bombed de facto these babies these ladies these old people bombed and killed so there is no reason for that no legitimacy we urge israel to stop um he got a lot of heat for that and today he actually called president helzog and kind of appeared to walk that back a bit he says that he doesn't believe israel is deliberately targeting civilians and he spoke to the former uh minister of defense benny guns and said that he stands completely behind israel israel has every right to protect itself and so on and so forth quite a miserable um expression of of of misexpression of what he wanted to say because as i said the idf is doing uh so much more than any military that i know or read of uh concerning trying not uh to hurt uh civilians in uh in the gaza strip while the actual chamas is doing everything everything it possibly can to make sure that as many civilian palestinians do get hurt there is not one thing that they haven't done put rocket uh laboratories next to kindergartens preventing from civilians from escaping shooting them with a live ammunition yeah i mean you're you're a formative from at risk you know the game you know is it um you know is it that people don't want to believe what they're seeing or they just don't believe it they think it's israeli propaganda i mean because the the message doesn't seem to be getting through to a lot of people if you look on the streets of european and america first of all i think that there needs to be a better um a vehicle for promoting that message it's not good enough a lot is being done by the government by the ministry of foreign affairs by the spokesperson union in the idf but it's not getting um the message out there it's not enough it's not the right uh vehicle as i said and it needs to be um innovated it needs to be improved and quickly because the message is not getting across but you know what lore i think that um to a vast degree there is um an antagonism to the actual message because a lot of the demonstrations by the way that are funded they are not just spontaneous hundreds of thousands of people demonstrations most of them not all of them but most of them are muslim demonstrators politically correct or incorrect that's what it is in france in the uk in germany in greece and elsewhere and they are funded by a certain role player um we need to figure out where that funding is coming where that encouragement for those antagonistic mechanisms are coming from in order to stop that so that we can get the message across so there are two ways to deal with this issue plus katar is funding a lot of the campuses in the us and elsewhere again when katar is funding it is also funding the carcasses that promote this message and the demonstration so we know where to trace the money to there needs to be an action plan regarding making the stop and let the people decide because it's very difficult for me to understand how slaughtering human beings can be received with anything but disgust okay all right well hold that thought we're going to have a look at this report now which gives us a bit of background to those comments by the french president Emmanuel Macron no we don't we'll get to get that up for you later on um you were also involved in the api hamcourt's roots so i want to ask your opinion on what happened at the weekend with this arab league summit and of course um the most uh virulent anti-israel countries like syria and iran katar they tried to have a statement which included things like boycotting israel severing all diplomatic ties preventing the americans from using their middle east bases to deliver weapons uh to israel it was the saudi's and the emirates who got that watered down and got them to take some of those things out are you encouraged by that first of all i am and second of all he doesn't surprise me because there is nothing that the saudi's the emirates and others do not know by the way including the iranians and the kataris and everybody in the arab league that they do not know about hamas everybody especially in this region doesn't need israel to explain what is hamas they know they know that it's the muslim brotherhood some of them side with the muslim brotherhood like turkey for example like katar they house and they sanctuary the leaders of the hamas but the others like saudi arabia like united arab emirates like egypt they outlawed the the the muslim brothers they do not allow them to raise their heads to say a single word as opposed to all the democracies in the west so they understand and they know what we are dealing with and they know they don't want them so declaratively they are very very tough but in essence de facto they have no intention in giving into iran and katar and all the other countries that they know give sanctuary to these terrorists and fund them and turkey of course so i'm encouraged and it doesn't surprise me all right we're on the same page even if they can't say it publicly that's what i feel well let's get back to the french president than immanuel machan who calls uh the israeli president it's a health talk today to clarify his comments in a bbc interview on friday take a listen de facto today civilians are bombed de facto these babies these ladies these old people are bombed and killed there is no reason for that and no legitimacy just three weeks ago french president immanuel macron landed in israel with a message of warm solidarity but for him times have changed his passage seen as a marker of a wider ramping up of international pressure on israel look in the very first days it's clear that the emotion the compassion created the situation where everybody was just close to israel but i think there is no justification precisely to attack civilians macron stark language is seen as a milestone a european power coming out for a full ceasefire and attacking israel's position on the war raising fears among israelis that the war may end with hamas still in power in parts of the gaza strip the war against hamas isis is progressing in full force and has one goal to win there is no substitute for wedding we will eliminate hamas and we will return our abductees protests have grown as here in london on saturday and the prevailing view in israel is that the sand is flowing through the diplomatic hourglass while israeli prime minister benjamin itanyahu digs in his heels setting up the clash that many say is to come so interesting to see president macron on the phone uh this afternoon to president how to try and clarify what he had said because that would have of course made him the first ally of israel the first western leader to publicly call for it for a ceasefire which israel says that's not going to happen until all of the hostages are released not only until all the hostages are released but there was a very clear declaration by the government of israel as per the objective of the war we didn't intend to go into gaza we didn't intend to go on the offensive in fact this is a defensive war par excellence and um we need to have the hamas destroyed uh up to the last breath up to the last uh hamas person very very difficult because hamas is an ideology it's not only the 30 40 000 operatives armed operatives that are there but uh but generally to have the hamas capability and manpower uh collapse we are not near that objective and i think that macron uh with his intelligence and following his visit here well understands that this is a life and death situation and they make it very clear they're absolutely unapologetic about it they interview uh to various channels and they say we're going to do it again and again and again we want perpetual war of course they don't hide their intentions which country is going to just let them be and see i mean it's it's obviously not going to happen all right okay well let's find out what's been going on uh in the north of israel today the idf has been striking hezbollah targets in southern lebanon after the group claimed responsibility for an anti-tank missile in israel which wounded several israelis including one who's in a critical condition our mary mccollif is there mary what's the latest that's right laura so this area is still reeling from a series of different attacks today there are at least four anti-tank missiles across the border two of those causing significant injuries one we will begin in mount dovev where at least 10 people were injured by that strike ziv medical center here in spot took in a number of those patients including one who was in serious condition after they were hit hezbollah for its part so that they were hitting a number of different israeli soldiers who were installing surveillance equipment along the border those were actually workers of an electrical company who were hit at the time working operating very near the border at their time hezbollah is also publishing footage from that incident which is quite graphic that shows a civilian falling after he was hit by that missile and then also there was another attack in the manara area this time hitting idf soldiers four were said to be injured that's according to the idf and then also today we had a number of a rockets fired from inside southern lebanon towards northern israeli communities going as far south as khiar bialik near hypha we don't have any reports of injuries from those rockets the idf said that four were intercepted and that the rest landed in open areas but we do know the idf is responding harshly to the source of all of these attacks today so they were striking the areas where both these mortars and missiles were launched and also striking the rocket group that launched these rockets into northern israel for its part it was hamas of the lebanese branch of hamas which took responsibility for those rockets saying they were doing so in solidarity for the group which of course is fighting inside gaza and of course the israeli defense minister was up there yesterday wasn't he mary and he had a stern message for the lebanese that's absolutely right with many warnings coming out from the from the idf from israeli the higher ups in israeli government warning anybody who gets involved here saying that the idf is prepared to respond harshly to any threat coming from its border whether it's in southern lebanon or from syria or from gaza and that the idf is prepared to act on any of these threats that are coming it of course also comes as hasa nasrallah giving yet another speech talking about what he thinks of the affairs for this region and if there's going to be another escalation he's saying that will be due to israeli action they say they're watching very closely what the israelis are doing not just in gaza but here also on this northern border and they're saying that it will be the israelis who will cause this situation to escalate further israel for its part continues to warn that it will act in defense and it will strike at the source of all of the attacks that are coming from southern lebanon and we definitely can hear them continuing to do that launching airstrikes and also shelling a number of different areas they say they're targeting hezbollah compounds infrastructure belonging to the ecterra group and also those groups who are also trying to launch attacks okay mary thank you mary mccullough there in the north of israel well ruth wasmelanda is with me i mean um you've got thousands of israelis citizens you can't go back to their homes um much of the north of israel is a is a literal war zone right now this isn't sustainable is it first of all it's not uh sustainable but we have no choice at the moment but i've said from the beginning of the um events uh iran had decided to uh maneuver this whole macro uh arrangement beginning with the hamas but continuing in the west bank and the northern front by hezbollah um i don't see them not entering a war and quite frankly there is a war if we were not in the gaza strip what the hezbollah is doing is a casus belli par excellence this is uh it has already escalated to a point where there was no question or no questions would have been asked by the idf had there been other circumstances now israel is not happy to go into war with uh with the hezbollah understanding that the damage uh to lebanon would be catastrophic by the way the lebanese themselves and the government in lebanon well understands that as well and says this over and over again publicly to nasrallah and to um the world but nasrallah is uh being told what to do by the iranians and the iranians want um to forward their own objectives not those of the hamas nor those of the hezbollah that are just pawns in their own game um and they look down upon them as well this is the mentality the culture and therefore i don't see any other option but that there will be a war um led by hezbollah against israel all right thank you very well 240 hostages have been held in gaza for 37 days now babies young children teenagers and elderly people are among them last night the defense minister yav galant said he was haunted by their plight israel says there will be no ceasefire until all of the hostages are released well 17-year-old ofir engel was visiting his girlfriend in kibbutz berry when hamas terrorists invaded the village he hid in a safe room for hours with his girlfriend's family he and three others were eventually taken to gaza by the terrorists while ofir's aunt yael engel litchi joins me now thank you yael thank you very much for being with us and tell me when is the last time you or your family heard from ofir hi thank you for letting me speak about ofir and about the situation that's about the nightmare we are going through uh on saturday 7th october six o'clock in the morning ofir called his father yav he's my brother and told him that uh there are alarms and sirens and they have to go to the safe room and they went to the safe room and were in touch with us like every 10 minutes but passing time we understood that something very bad is happening there it's not like usual some sirens and you know when i say like usual it's not usual and it's not normal that people has to live with sirens and bombs yes but then after around half past 12 and they told us by a phone message that they hear alarms in their inside their house they are so afraid and the connection was disconnected and then a few hours later around 7 or 8 o'clock in the evening we got a phone call from his mother girlfriend that told us what happened she told us that around one o'clock a terrorist came inside the safe room took us took them out let them in the kibbutz path took the ofir and the girlfriend's father yossi and another teenager amit put them in a small black car took them away and just let the women and children and girls stay there and that's the last time we heard from him after five days people from the idea came to us and told us ofir is considered adopted and from them we don't know anything my goodness a horrible story we're looking at pictures of ofir and he looks like a very sweet cheeky young man 17 visiting young man he's not a young man he's a child yeah he was his girlfriend first love in berry he's a basketball player he played also near bear sorry near berry the basketball team and with all the family we live in kibbutz and joselem kibbutz ramat rachen and he spent half of the week with her half of the week here with us and i spoke about to feel a lot of times on media but i heard what uh word before me said about chamas and about his bala and about the chamas is not few thousands or few hundreds of thousands of people it's an ideology that wants to uh to finish with the jews to finish with the free world it's all and we want we the families and we the israelis want the world to know that it happened to us now but it will happen everywhere if the world will not stop it and that's what we want to say to the world where did you want to say something absolutely i i have a an actual connection to this particular family because i know i know the grandfather of afil i worked with him in the president's office and what can i say what can anyone say how far can anybody i cannot even imagine what the families must be going through but all of us in in a kind of a state of post trauma how can the world not understand i mean we're talking about babies and children and women and and and grandmother i mean how barbaric how barbaric can can i don't even want to call them people because they're not do you i mean yeah do you i mean are you getting a lot of support do you take some comfort from from the people around you by the people in this country you know how we're all in this together and do you feel some some support no no we don't get comfort from because everyone everyone of us and the whole all of the families and also the families that their loved ones were killed brutally killed and raped and i don't know what i i'm sure people in the world see and i am very troubled by the by the protests and in favor of the Hamas all over the world i don't know how it happened i know there are billions of people in the world that don't see the bigger picture and i think we have to show them the bigger picture and i think they have to know that it happened now in israel in the south of israel but it will happen in new york and in amsterdam and in chicago and everywhere because the Hamas is a very very brutal barbarian ideology that wants to take over the free world and i i continue saying it because it's it's not it cannot be the 34 children and babies are kept in in Gaza i don't know where i don't know there is one yeah please stay with us i want to talk more to you unfortunately right now we have to take a very quick break but i do want to talk to you more about of fear we're going to take a short break stay with us is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where you see as our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well about you're watching i24 news and before the break we were speaking to yael yael's young nephew of fear of fear engel was kidnapped by Hamas terrorists from kibbutz berry on the 7th of october he's now been held for 37 days along with 238 other hostages babies young children teenagers elderly people among them then you can see his his young face he was just down in kibbutz berry visiting his girlfriend and his aunt yael is with us yael how is our fears mother coping how is she getting through the day so as i as i told before we leave all of us live together in kibbutz so we don't leave them alone for one minute 24 seven we stay with them all the time even at nights i can tell you that the nights and the mornings are the worst this morning i slept there this night i slept there and i woke up from very bad crying with her i don't i don't think anyone can understand the feeling of a mother that her child went to visit his girlfriend and didn't came home didn't come home back and he's there for seven thirty seven days we don't know anything about him we don't know if he's injured if someone's taking care of him it's really a nightmare it's really a nightmare and what i am asking the world and president biden president rote of the dutch people because i don't know if you know but the fear has a dutch nationality and we had a meeting with the prime minister of holland and you ask everyone we can to do anything they can to let them go to let all the 239 people there and go free because children are not a part of any game of any deal of any anything they're just children you know i met a guy that his three children and wife are there in capture and it's not so you cannot imagine what people are going through so i don't know who who who they can talk to i don't know i i hope and believe that the israeli government is doing everything in her power to bring them home but i think the world should understand that you know all this all this talking about humanitarian crisis in gaza i don't want anyone any innocent people wherever he is to to get injured but in israel we have also a humanitarian crisis a very big one so hundreds thousands of people are evacuated from their homes the north of israel the south of israel are war zone a lot of our children saw terrible sites i think it will be take years to to to i don't know if it's an unbearable torture that is being inflicted on on on your family and other families in israel it's really heartbreaking before before we go yeah just tell us tell us a bit more about your nephew we see him hiking there we see he's got a cheeky smile he had his girlfriend of course what kind of what kind of boy is he or fear is a very very smiling boy he love to help everyone he's very modest my daughter is a very the best friend of him and she said to me all the time that when he comes back he will kill all of us and won't stop until we take all his pictures offline because it's not it's not like him it's not it's not like us you know we don't understand how it is to let people go and he's really really sweet boy that's what i can he's a very talented basketball player he likes to work in agriculture also in discos also helping whenever he's needed and he's a high school student a very good one so well he he looks amazing and we please give give our love to our fears mom and we i mean i say this to all the families who are going through this hell we we think you're amazing i don't know how you're how you're going keep going and we really hope and pray that you you'll have your boy back with you soon thank you yale thank you so much thank you bless you thank you all right well uh with vice-mauland is with me in the studio it's uh it's really hard to go on i mean everything else just impossible seems pretty pointless isn't it after that it minimizes everything else puts everything else into perspective it just beyond me how hypocritical some world leaders uh decision makers public opinion uh formers can be um as she said yale there is a humanitarian crisis in israel uh bigger than this country has ever known and it is completely and utterly ignored absolutely all right well we all hope and pray that the hostages are back with their families we're gonna talk a bit more um about uh how israel is fighting this war now and the uh the prime minister benjamin netanyahu gave an interview uh to u.s. media earlier today he's been speaking about his vision for a post hamas gaza he says a civilian government must take responsibility for demilitarization and de radicalization um so roose um in that interview he he kind of outlined the objectives israel will destroy hamas is will make sure israel is safe but then you know the long-term future what will gaza look like after this how can the palestinian people in gaza live in peace side by side with israel so first of all i think that it needs to be made clear that this cannot happen in one day obviously and therefore what i believe that prime minister netanyahu meant was that there needs to be some kind of uh remaining by the idf a military presence uh to make sure that we are not attacked again that we are not killed again that we are not uh basically uh that our civilians are not hurt again that's first of all but of course gaza needs to be somehow uh rebuilt now there are theories i won't mention names but people that have offered for uh abu mazen and the fatah from the west bank it's offered itself hasn't it well actually he uh refused to take the gaza strip in fact uh he said he doesn't want to take responsibility he doesn't definitely doesn't want to deal with demilitarizing uh uh the hamas that's number one he remembers very well that in 2006 when the hamas came into power and we had left the gaza strip fatah operatives were shocked in the knee and thrown out of windows in other words lynched and they ran away those who survived to the idf soldiers to be saved um on the israeli border so he expressed no real wish what he did say is that if we are talking about a comprehensive peace with jerusalem and with blah blah blah a very very big and rosy picture which is not very realistic unfortunately at this precise moment so what he was actually saying is i don't really want this problem on my shoulders he said when there will be this uh peace achieved now the man is 80 something years old so i'm not sure if he was talking about when he will be 110 103 but it's not even a joke to speak about the west bank where hamas is strong as well and the islamic jihad is strong as well and the iranians have been pumping them with money and funding and training for years under abu masan's nose and this certainly cannot take the leadership in gaza what i personally feel needs to be done and it's unusual and it's difficult but this is the only solution which i see is to have four significant responsible world leaders divide the gaza strip into four parts take responsibility over reeducation because the incitement and indoctrination there is atrocious and the rebuilding sustainable sources of income employment opportunities housing etc and give approximately a decade until something will evolve from within society itself but not before okay so we're looking at a a very long-term plan for post hamas gather all right thank you rich well um we've been talking about the international pressure on israel uh to agree to a ceasefire or stop its campaign to destroy hamas and we have seen marches um around european capitals in recent days or a different kind of march is underway in paris today tens of thousands have been marching against antisemitism we have of course seen a spike in antisemitic violence around the world uh eduardo quay is an independent journalist and he joins us now from paris so eduardo far right political leaders attending this rally the far left though choosing to stay away that's right and it's been a debate here in france for the entire week actually it has overshadowed the purpose of the march which was to be a citizens march called by the president of the senate and the president of the national assembly uh to uh to show support for the jewish community which has been suffering from a tremendous number of antisemitic acts since october 7th more than 1200 such acts today's march uh over a hundred thousand people police say the biggest march against antisemitism since the 1980s in paris uh nonetheless uh neither president macron nor jean-luc melanchon the head of the extreme left coalition were present and this is kind of a snapshot of of um life in paris isn't it the the evidence of just how politically devised this conflict has begun in a country that is home not only to europe's largest jewish community but also its largest muslim community uh that's right and so it has caused a very tense situation here in uh france french jews uh say openly that they are afraid uh that they are uh feel insecure uh in an open letter uh in a french newspaper today president macron said that a france where french citizens are scared is not france uh however his absence i think is not something that was very much appreciated by the uh french jewish community and on the other hand as you mentioned there there are about six million muslims and uh this is causing tremendous tension between uh the two communities it is really quite a serious situation here and uh president macron um phoning president herzog today to apparently kind of walk back comments that he made to the bbc yesterday adwardo i'm sorry could you repeat that uh president macron uh made a phone call to president herzog today and and tried to walk back those comments he made to the bbc yesterday yeah well i'm not hearing you well but the president macron has been uh contradictory about this uh situation uh all along he's uh he's not uh been really very clear on the one hand he has supported israel against amas but on the other hand he has also made some comments uh concerning uh the palestinians that have upset israel to one extent he he has lacked in clarity and his absence here today has not helped that all right thanks very much indeed adwardo quay there well uh there was another march uh in london yesterday and according to the metropolitan police some 300 000 people marched to demand israel and its campaign to destroy hamas far right counter protesters also turned out and clashed with police there were dozens of arrests the british prime minister rishisunak has denounced the violence on both sides let's go to london our correspondent jonathan sachardotti uh was going to be with us uh but he is not we'll try and get him for you later in the program with wasma lander is here with me though and we just got a snapshot there of just how tense the situation uh is in paris um a lot of people will be disappointed that president macron chose not to march with people who are opposed to anti-semitism it's not the most controversial thing in the world is it i think that there is a clarity of ethic and clarity of values that um should make a leader different than what had happened 80 years ago at the beginning of the uh world war two and the holocaust and the elimination of and destruction of six million jews and somehow this lesson of leadership seems not to have been learned very disappointing my apologies if it's a little but less than politically correct um but certainly this is a time for real courage and leadership the fact that there are very many muslim voters in france only makes the fact that this is close to coming um and well not even that i mean hundreds of french citizens travel to syria to fight alongside ices france is no stranger to islamist terror terrible i was in paris in 2015 2016 and it was very much terrible a serious situation terrible and there are so many um neighborhoods that police in france in germany in other capitals in europe simply don't go into they do not enter because they are too afraid well let's see what the situation is in london because we saw huge marches against israel's war on hamas yesterday and as i say far right counter protesters also turned out they clashed with police dozens of people were arrested all of this happening on um one of the more um sacred days in the british calendar that is a remembrance day when people pay tribute to fallen british soldiers our jonathan sachardotty is with us now from london and jonathan this was always going to be a highly volatile situation wasn't it coming as it did on remembrance day and it did descend into chaos or that's what it looked like from here anyway the protests yesterday both the pro palestinian one and the anti pro palestinian protest were kept apart by the police but of course i think there was a peak in interest and disapproval politically over what was going on i'm not altogether sure that the remembrance day armistice day element of things really was what lies at the heart of this instead what we had is a home secretary in the government who actually is determined to stamp out what she sees as racism and hatred in those marches regardless of what day they're taking place on i think the fact that it coincided with the remembrance day weekend made it easier for her to do that politically we now have heard that seven people have been charged according to the police many of those arrests made on the day towards the end of the day or after the event 126 arrested 145 had been arrested for various offenses so the numbers moving around a bit and that shows you some way how the police are operating that they're looking for people in the crowds after the event rather than actually intervening when things are going on which is also something else people have criticized the home secretary is now spoken out she's been under fire from politicians within her own party and across the board many are even calling for her to resign because they say that she caused a rift between the government and the police the police did not want to cancel the protests she's now posted on x that our police officers she said deserve thanks of every decent citizen for their professionalism in the face of violence and aggression from protesters and counter protesters in london yesterday but she went on to say that multiple officers were injured doing their duty and that's an outrage then she said that the sick inflammatory and in some cases clearly criminal chance placards and paraphernalia openly on display at the march mark a new low anti-semitism and other forms of racism together with the valorizing of terrorism on such a scale is deeply troubling this can't go on she said week by week the streets of london are being polluted by hate violence and anti-semitism members of the public are being mobbed and intimidated Jewish people in particular feel threatened further action is necessary so she's definitely digging in she's made this something that she's really staking her career on plenty of people still calling for her to go and yet she is adamant that the hatred and anti-semitism that she's identified in those crowds as well as many Jewish people really isn't acceptable in the united kingdom in 2023 there are many in the Jewish community who are thanking her for this firm stand well i mean quite Jonathan and we saw those very large protests on the streets of london and elsewhere and they have become a regular thing now are there any polls which suggest to what extent they are supported by ordinary British people well the polling that i've seen so far actually regarding the conflict is quite interesting because it shows that there is often a split between left and right in traditional terms in terms of support for israel but in fact the interesting aspect here is that it seems to be an age split as well here the most likely sign for being supportive more of the palestinian lines on these matters and the palestinian side of things is in the younger generation and the older people get the more that sympathy shifts towards israel of course it's not a football match it's not a question of supporting one side or the other in fact most people if asked nuanced questions probably will be supportive of the idea of trying to find some sort of solution for the decades old conflict so that both sides could live in peace but we're miles away from that at the moment and the savage invasion of the 7th of october only made that a harder goal to reach so i think there is a realization among many in the country perhaps more than usual with previous engagements with gaza that israel has a very tough job here and maybe people not just in the government are willing to let israel get on with the job in hand all right jonathan thank you very much jonathan such a dotty there and the british government has stripped and exiled egyptian tv host of his visa over his support for hamas the home office put moa taz matar on a watch list which means he'll be unable to return to the uk khaled hasan is the counterterrorism expert and he helped work on the case against matar and he joins us now thank you for being with us khaled tell us who is moa taz matar and was it right for the british government to effectively deport him thank you for having me all right yes it was absolutely the right decision not taz matar should not have been allowed to actually relocate to britain in december 2021 moa taz matar is one of the most prominent radical islamist broadcasters he has a huge following on social media this is how he makes his money social media like his money which is why he's dangerous he can work from different parts of the world very freely and that's why he's very dangerous and that's why this one is exactly exactly the right time although i do hope i do wish that they actually had listened when i raised this summer 2021 and again in 2022 several times but eventually it's it's it's it's late but it's better late than never so is he back in egypt now um and tell us about your role in the case yes so no he cannot go back to egypt because he's actually convicted in egypt for supporting terrorism including the murder of of egyptian military leaders now so he cannot go back to egypt who would actually be put in prison for at least 75 years my role in the case was investigating providing material providing translation as a native arabic speaker as a counter-terrorism expert this is what i did and i have been pushing for this since december 2021 when he first relocated to the uk because under our laws he should not have been allowed due to his support for terrorism unfortunately this is there are questions that we need to raise and this is very dangerous specifically around how he makes his money from social media and i think that is that is why it is dangerous i suspect now he's in turkey on this i suspect he's back in turkey but he cannot make videos from turkey because he's not allowed due to the egyptian Turkish recruitment all right so he's really in a difficult situation so not welcome in the uk not welcome in his native egypt either the british home secretary savannah brahman has made it clear she intends to crack down hard on anti-semitism and any public support for terrorism can we expect further such moves do you think hailed yes absolutely so they are investigating at least six people with a similar background two of them i have raised i believe two of them are basically related to the case a case that i have raised uh with almost an identical background same following on social media and they really invest a lot of money and effort and a lot of a lot of their energy into actually translating material to an english speaking audience and into influencing decision making which is why they're really dangerous i believe a lot of them will be in hiding right now it will be really quiet but the home office is already aware of this counter that are releasing the radio ever been aware of this for months i think it's just a matter of time for a lot of them are actually under the same action and and essentially before it took out of Britain all right well congratulations on your victory khaled thank you very much khaled hassan brahman for your what say if i may say for his bravery this is a moral and ethical clarity and leadership that is just a quite quite astounding yeah all right we'll see if there are more to come all right well the families of the hostages are gathering nightly in Tel Aviv to demand their immediate release men women and children have been held in Gaza for 37 days now our Ariel Levin Weldman is down with the protesters tonight Ariel what's happening i'm going to take a quick look behind me it's dark so it might be difficult but it's not just the families you have an entire nation standing here in grief well over a thousand people clustered into this plaza a very simple set of demands bring back our people and bring them back now it's not just a show of sorrow and there is a lot of that believe me the story is being told here by family members of lives and families shattered by monstrous invaders that showed the utmost cruelty that ripped children from their rooms but it's also demands on the international community that the families believe have utterly abandoned them they say that it is unconsumable non-thinkable that you have the international red cross demanding humanitarian aid for Gaza without anything for the families of the kidnap that the international red cross hasn't even demanded to see the families to see if they're alive demands we've heard from families saying that if you're going to allow international aid through then they have to at least demand and make it conditional on getting access to the hostages and these are just one of a set of demands many people here they expect the cruelty from Israel's enemies they didn't expect indifference from the international community they say it bothers them not just bothers them it burns that not only were there people taken but it's been a plight utterly forgotten by the rest of the world they've blamed the international community the international media they blame the united nations for focusing only on the plight of Gaza at war and spending absolutely no effort and zero time to even come up with a plan to try to bring hostages back or even try to contact them and that's ultimately what this event you're seeing behind me is all about not just an outboring of grief but a demand for some sort of solution and a demand that if the international community won't help then at least Israel put pressure on these agencies to ensure something is done. Ariel, thank you very much. Ariel, every welcome there down with the families of the hostages who have now been held in Gaza for 37 days. Well Ruth, I'll give the last word to you it's like a parallel universe isn't it we've got people marching all around the world very few calls for Hamas to release the hostages 239 people being held in Gaza as we speak. I think that this is an opportunity for the leaders of the world like Macron, like Biden, like the Chancellor of Germany and others, Prime Minister of the UK etc to speak up because again we need them to stand on the right side of history and to stand up to the fact that these civilians must come home. Yeah and it's it's really hard to see people riffing down posters marching demanding a ceasefire it feels like Israelis don't have a lot of compassion from the world we're all people we're all people perhaps those barbarians who had savagely killed our own civilians or not but at the end of the day we're all people and they need to come home the leaders of the world