 2022. I just want to say at the beginning, we should all be very thankful. I know some people have been following posts of Queen Elizabeth Steff, a good example of where everyone as public servants can take. It's amazing. For 70 years of public service, I really honor that. I just wanted to make a brief mention of that. So, keep her in your hearts. We're now at the point to approve the agenda for the evening. Do we have a motion to approve the agenda as presented? We have a motion in a second. Any discussion on the agenda? I've spoken in the past about the issue with the Bolton pit and our town sand. We have the agenda topic discussion on here, so that might be a good time to get it on an agenda. I would agree. The only thing I want to consider for if we have time, we could put it at the end of the agenda, which would be, I know all the select board individually got copies of the kids cancer proclamation. So, if we could discuss that at the end of the item H. Any objections to that? I would rather do it on October 3rd, but if the majority wants to do it tonight, that's fine. I was going to say, if we have time, if we're kind of at a reasonable level, you know, we'll put it as a tentative agenda item. Okay. If we could have a vote to approve the... I'll accept those as friendly amendments, so I move to approve the agenda as amended. Thank you. The amendment has been approved as amended and seconded. Fall in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstentions? Motion carries. Next item is the consent agenda item in the minutes of the two previous select board meetings and the outside consumption permit for smugglers not distillery. I have a motion to approve the consent agenda item. So moved. We have a second. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? If not all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstentions? Motion carries unanimously. Now is the time in the agenda for anyone in the public who wishes to make a brief statement for any items that are not ready on the agenda. Does anyone wish to speak to something? Realizing you have two minutes. Tom? I'm coming up here just for audience for our recorder friend. It's Tom Scrivner for a minute. Just for history's sake, this is 2009. This is Steve. That's Jesse Wing. They're out and there's a Mr. Kaiser and a budding neighbor to Hope Davy at which time the select board spent quite a bit of time involved in changing things out there and trying to improve the situation. We're kind of reliving it and just making that point. This is part of the select board process in 2009 at Hope Davy over the same issues that are being dealt with today. I request that the social media policy be worked on by the select board as I did a year ago and specifically I'm asking that because David Frothingham is the vice chair of the steering committee and he's made two announcements on social media about the steering committee process and I have talked to you, Alyssa, about one source of information and I would prefer that there was one, either one, you know, the town website or one source of legitimate information regarding town process. These are his two posts since the steering committee has met and the last one is from a year ago when this started with Mark Fryer who identified himself as the chair of the select board and was discussing select board process on the center chain's Facebook page. At the same point in time, Frank Spaulding identified himself as the recreation committee chair and he was discussing recreation committee process on the center chain's website and I don't believe that that's appropriate. I think the town needs to have a social media policy. I think information has to come from a spokesperson for whatever the group is that's making these decisions. The second thing is just I know the conflict of interest was discussed very briefly. I don't know the specifics at the steering committee meeting, the only one they've had and it was about David Frothingham and if you look at the last two pages here, he is a professional disc golf player. He has made money this year playing disc golf. He has his own LLC, if you go to the last page, Green Mountain Disc Golf. This is as of today, he's listed as president and I think he has a conflict of interest especially if he's quote professional, he's receiving money to play the sport. I don't think he's appropriate as the vice chair of the steering committee or he could recuse himself from all issues related to that part of park planning but I don't know if I'm supposed to bring that up with the steering committee. I know you and I have gone back and forth about five members versus ten and you know it jumped out to ten and I had issues around you know the disabled population and et cetera et cetera. So where does that stand in terms of how that steering committee is comprised? Firstly, I think the only official vehicle that the select board has is the town website. I don't think any other vehicles are appropriate. No, that's not up to me. I'm just asking that board put it on the agenda and come up with a town policy for social media. But I think as of now everything is really to go on the town website. I agree with you Tom. I think there should be a policy. Individuals take bits of information and they run with it and that's where the hysteria and misinformation begins. So I'd like to rein it into one legitimate source for this process. Again for the sake of transparency. So right now we don't have a policy which for committees and commissions. So it's something on the parking lot we're discussing agenda topics later today that we can put on an agenda for the future. So no one's in violation of anything because it doesn't exist. So once something's in place we can discuss that with commissions and committees and move forward. And then in terms of conflict of interest it seems you know going to the committee first. I'm not sure if there's a written protocol. There is a time for committees and commissions and what that chain of command is. So it would be worth looking that up before we either take action or recommend others to take action. So we should find out what that procedure or policy is and follow it instead of guessing. I concur with everything you said Danny. Any others comments? Steve is here to speak to the parks planning update of which this is pertinent as an agenda item. So I'm happy to speak more to logistics to this particular project at that point but heard on generally a social media policy. And as Danny said, we'll get back to Tom when we get it on the agenda. Discussion? That'd be great. Yep, absolutely. When Steve presents will it be any arbitrary public comment? We usually allow questions but it's at the discretion of the chair. Thank you Tom. Any other public comment? If not we're going to get on to the bulk of the meeting. First item is the closing of Park Street and Rotarian Way on October 10th, 2022 for an event. We have Monica. I'm trying to. Yep. Okay. You get one try. DG Avani. DG Avani. Oh, thank you Monica. If you could speak to this, the reason for the closing, the event, etc. Just give us some background. Sure. And actually we've decided not to have the streets closed but to give you a little more information about the event. I am a planner, an event planner and I'm working for the Vermont League of Cities and Towns and I've been hired to help produce an event on our senator Leahy for his 47 years of service to Vermont downtowns. We are going to have some music. There will be food served. There'll be some tents set up. The event will run from one to five and will be there of course earlier to get set up and probably not too much later. We originally wanted the street closure because it's a family friendly event but have since decided that with the date and the time of year that not quite sure how many small people will be there and you have the beautiful playground there and the park. So we decided we don't really need the street closure but we are still looking to have the parking spots on Riparian Way blocked off for accessible parking directly to the event as well as for Senator Leahy's caravan. The main parking for the event will be across the street at the state office complex. How many people do you expect? With the weather and the time of year it's a little tricky to guess so it's a pretty broad range somewhere between 150 and 250 people. Other questions of the board. Do you need anything from us if you're not gonna be closing a street? Well Karen suggested that I come to the meeting. It was kind of a last-minute decision on Friday and she had already sent in the agenda and I asked her if I needed to attend and she said it was already there and that if you had any questions for me it would be good for me to be here. So you know it maybe I don't know if I still if we need permission to use cones to block off the parking spots. I'm not clear on that. That was what I didn't know either. Well we can approve it now. Yeah I don't know who else we need to talk to about that. I don't see a big problem. You know at first I wondered why you were closing off because I thought if you're going to have a kids activity the street would be not as good a location as in the park. Well we've got a suggestion to get like kids toys like big wheels and that kind of stuff from the daycare center. They have like a big collection and I thought that sounded like a great idea and then in hindsight if we have an hour of speakers and music then the sound of those toys might be. I could make a racket. Yeah kind of all the pieces kind of falling in at the wrong time but eventually got there so. Melissa. I will move to authorize the closure of the parking on Rotarian Way as outlined for the event on October 10th and I will say as a point of information if there is alcohol we need to receive that permitting but we do the meeting on October 3rd so it can be approved at that point as needed. Yeah you will either hear from me or the vendor. We are going to have a cash bar and I'm hoping to speak with him tomorrow and get that all straightened out. Second motion. Okay we have a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? If not all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any oppose? Any abstentions? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you so much and maybe it's open to the public so please stop by on the 10th if you're around. So maybe see you then. Thank you. Thank you. Good luck. Okay next item on the agenda is to discuss and consider the contract for the municipal manager. Does someone want to make a motion because this is a personnel issue that we will have to discuss in executive session. I move that we go into executive session to discuss the contract with the new municipal manager. We have a second. I'll second it. I'd also suggest that we try to keep it to less than 5 or 10 minutes. Let's say 15 just to give us a second. Okay. I concur. If with Roger's suggestion all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any oppose? Motion carries. I entertain a motion to leave executive session. Second. Any further discussion? If not all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any oppose? Any abstentions? Motion passes. That was just exiting executive session. We did not take any action. We're doing great. We're on top of everything. Yeah. Okay. Danny the floor is yours. Well I move to authorize the town of Waterbury to enter into an employment agreement with Thomas Tom Light as municipal manager for a term of two years and nine months. Motion in a second. Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any oppose? Any abstentions? Motion carries. Congratulations. We have a new town manager. We actually have a guest on the zoom and it's actually Tom Lights our new town manager to be. Tom would you like to have a floor and introduce yourself to folks at Waterbury? Sure. First off, thank you very much. I'm really, really honored to have inspired your conference to be the next manager. Waterbury is a great town. I was really interested in applying here for a lot of reasons, but one of the biggest reasons was how well the relationship has been between the manager and the select board and the effort board over the years, which tells me culturally things are really good here in Waterbury. Really excited to be a part of the community in the future chomping at the bit to get started. Now that this is more or less official, I'd like to start tomorrow if I could. So I'll try to be a presence before my official start day because I'm really excited here. I just want to thank everyone and I'm going to do my best and I'm going to give it an awful lot of effort. So I think I think it's going to work out great for all of us. And I think I forget the exact number of months the contract is, but over many months towards the end, I think I'll be as excited at that point in time as I am right now. Thank you, Tom. We appreciate it. We're glad that we know the process was a little bit enduring. It was a little more of a marathon than it was a sprint, but we know we've gotten the right person and I want to congratulate you and welcome you to Waterbury because I think you'll be a great addition to our town staff. And I think great, great things are going to come of you. Hard act to follow when you're following Bill Sheppluck, but I think we found a worthy candidate. Thank you. Thanks, Tom. You're welcome to stay on or have a little champagne with the wife. I can stay on a little bit. Unfortunately, I've got someone coming to pick up a wood stove, so he's probably going to need more. Okay, totally understand. Okay. Should we know if there's going to be a two month overlap with Bill Sheppluck? Yes, there will be for everyone who hasn't been involved in the process. Tom will be starting on October the 31st. He will be working with the current town manager, Bill Sheppluck, until the end of the year. This will kind of get him informed of everything in Waterbury. And starting on January 1st, he'll become the official town, town manager. It'll actually be deputy town manager because technically by Vermont law, you cannot have two town managers at the same point. And just as you know, Lisa, I do have a bio, which I would be glad to put in a head shot for you. And you know, we could do that after post meeting. Thank you. Okay. And Mike, I'd just like to thank and acknowledge the members of the municipal manager search committee. We have the subcommittee that did the initial betting. Mike and Danny were our reps and served us really well. We also had EFUD reps and reps from the library commissioner. And I'd also like to thank the five community members who also provided input on the finalists. I think everyone from all the boards ultimately had is really excited about Tom or excited to welcome him to Waterbury and just thank everyone for their work in the process. I'm happy to have it out in the public today. Thanks. Okay. If there's nothing further on the town manager, we'll move on to the next subject. We are this next topic is considered proposal from Sullivan and powers professional cooperation to audit financials for the years 2022 to 2026. What's the board's pleasure? Well, offer. So if I my memory, I will pull it up. But Bill Shukla presented this previously. This was a five year renewal. He particularly emphasized that he feels it's important to also his tax notices next to stay with the same firm given the transition. So he's available. We did get some follow up data on percentage increases, which do exist, but we're relatively modest. I believe the average the highest year was a 3% increase, but keeps the cost pretty fixed for the next five years and stays with the firm we know. So I would move to authorize the town to enter into the agreement for auditing services for the years noted. Thank you, Alyssa. Do we have a second? I'll second that. Thank you, Chris. Any further discussion on the auditors? There's a little bit of a bump in the road transition. We change from deliac voting to to some of it empowers. And now that we're past that, and they know what we're a little bit about. And I think it's probably proven to stick with them. Another five years. Yeah, it's always from working with very, you know, I used to work with a lot of different auditors and changing auditors is always a very difficult thing. So if you haven't had any substantial problems with an auditor, you know, you know, it's not like we're looking at a substantial increase in costs. It's more of a have a cost of living, you know, increase. It's good to stay. Initially, I was concerned about the rate increases. But in actuality, they're not really increasing much at all this coming year. And then there is a step increase going forward. But I agree that it's nice to know that we've got somebody secured for five years that knows the town and knows our finances. Ready to support it. Yep. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstentions? Motion passes. Next item to be discussed is the Park Planning Study Update. Steve. Okay. Great. So I'll, I'll get this started. And then, listen, I know you were there and like I believe you participated as well. So please chime in. And my idea is to keep this pretty informal, but to give you a brief update on the project. We had a visioning workshop last Thursday from five to seven. The consultant team was here. And we had steering committee. We had about 30 people sign in. I think there were probably more than that who actually came. And Roger, I think you came by too, didn't you? Okay, great. Thank you for I remembered. Okay, good. So the project is really building up some steam, if you will. We have a survey out that's online. It's available in paper form. There's some paper copies right outside the door here. They're in the library as well. And we've already had 155 complete surveys filled out. And the surveys mimic the boards that were in the room here last Thursday. So we'll be able to take the data that we get from those surveys and meld it with the answers and the input that we got at the visioning event. And the consultant is going to synthesize that and basically come up with kind of a visioning concept. We're going to have a steering committee meeting in October, probably around the second week in October to go over that with the consultant. And then they're going to develop concepts. They're going to do two concepts for the area around the ice center. And they're going to develop a kind of a conceptual management plan and recommendations for Hope Davy Park as well. And once we get that initial draft done, we're going to hold another public meeting. And probably that's probably going to be late fall before we hold an actual public meeting to get input on that concept, if you will. So there are going to be good opportunities. So there'll be that opportunity for the public to get involved. We'll publicize that meeting widely, get the conceptual plan out. And then at that point, we'll take that input. The consultant is going to develop the draft plan, study master plan, call it what you will. And then that plan will make sure to present that to you and the eFUD commissioners in a public meeting. So that's basically how the project is going to is going to move forward. So go ahead, Roger. I was just wondering, Tom Scrivener expressed concern about the ecological impacts of human activity, particularly around Hope Davy. And I was wondering, how has, have they taken a look at those impacts? And how has that impacted the study up to present? Right. So part of the consultant team is Airwood Environmental. Dory Barton is their principal who has done the wetland delineation and was part of the site walk. And she also did a delineation at the ice center. There's only one small wetland area there. We also had Bill DeVos, who is the owner of Tree Works in Montpelier. He was at the site walk. He's doing some evaluation of soil compaction and impact on the trees in the wooded areas as a result of activity. So that, that information is all going to be coming, coming in as, and part of the management considerations. We had a site walk with Shannon Morrison, the wetland specialist. I may have mentioned this before. This was previous to the start of the study. And there are no violations of the state wetland rules. There's a pretty extensive class two wetlands on the site. So she went over the state guidelines for these types of activities in wetland, in and around wetland areas. And this is not the only disc golf course that is in and around wetlands. But the boardwalks that are being used, she talked about vegetative cutting and where buffer areas, there should be no removal of woody material. So that type of thing is being incorporated into the study. But her evaluation from a state wetlands rules perspective is that the disc golf course is not in violation. They're generally following the guidelines for recreation facilities within and around wetland areas. So that's the way the study is. How does these, this new proposal, all this vision group in possible new proposals for the park increased activity? I mean, you're doing a study now based on current activity, but if that activity increases, doubles or triples, you know, how is that? Is there any consideration for that? Taking into consideration as we move forward here? Well, I think we don't have the results yet. So I think it's premature to say I'm just saying how that needs to be part of right, right. So the right. So one of the things that we'll be looking at is reestablishing an atrium trail at Hope Davey Park. And that was discussed both here in the visioning meeting and at the sidewalk. The use of the disc golf course fluctuates. It really peaked during COVID, as did many recreation facilities. And our understanding is, you know, that has the intensity of the use has subsided some. But there really aren't any proposed facilities other than reestablishing the nature trail that has come out so far for Hope Davey Park. There is a proposal to do some renovation work on the skate park. The skate park group wants to keep the skate park there and in Hope Davey, right, and do some renovation work because it is popular and then establish a new one at the ice center area. But new facilities are primarily proposed for the area around the ice center. And that's going to be a big part of that concept plan. And then master plan is how will that area accommodate increased activity. But I don't think the master plan is going to propose any, any increases in activity at Hope Davey Park. It's more of a management for current facilities. ADA access is an important aspect for both areas, especially at Hope Davey Park, reestablishing ADA access to the shelter, other areas, the playground, other areas that, you know, should be accessible. So that will be part of the study, certainly, how to get people with who are differently abled out so they can see ball games. And I think that all needs to be addressed, you know, I had my only concern was if there's going to be any additional build out in that those, you know, delicate areas that obviously, usually when you refine a pro project, make it better, you get more use, more use. That's where the real impacts can occur. So yeah, I don't think that's the intent of the study. I think it's to better manage facilities that are there and look at these areas like look at issues like soil compaction in the wooded areas, should there be further adjustments to the course, you know, conflicts with neighbors, some have been identified, how to address that screening, fencing, additional planting. So, you know, I think it's more of those types of management aspects that are going to be discussed. You just want to protect those delicate areas. Right, along, there's a hole on Patrick Brook, you know, how should that area be handled. So that's important. Any other questions or comments? I do have a negative. You mentioned that they're going to come up with a plan. Are there going to be like alternatives like an A, B or C plan, you know, some alternatives that, because different plans may have different impacts, etc. You know, some just curious if there's sure it's going to be one plan or if there's going to be multiple, they've been looking at different plans that are conceivable. Right. So at the ice center, the discussion has been to have two alternative plans. One involving leaving the access roadward is, and for instance, that would could accommodate a couple youth soccer fields versus an adult, large adult field versus moving that access road. So that will be two concepts for the park. And there'll be two cost estimates done for the developing relocating the road versus leaving it where it is and any additional paving that might be required. And then we'll be looking at funding sources for alternatives and matching up some private contributions with like Land and Water Conservation Fund and other kinds of grant funding that could help fund development in the future. Hope Davy. Hope Davy. I think there's going to be a list of recommendations. I don't know, it's a little different because we're dealing with a park that other than reestablishing the trail and reestablishing ADA access, I mean, there's some discussion of like a pickleball field, you know, some multiuse field aspects. So some comments like that have come up. But so I don't see, I think there may be alternatives as far as how to manage certain areas, you know, do we shorten hole five, which ends in the wooded area and bring that basket back into the field. I mean, there's going to be some alternatives for management, I think, that will be discussed in recommendations form. Just one second, Tom. And secondarily, I know there's been a lot of talk about ADA references. I know, especially in Hope Davy, you know, that was some in the question. And I guess someone who's formally been involved in, you know, planning and contracts and stuff like that. I think it's really critical that town resources do have some sort of, you know, they formally was, you know, at least access to the shelter. You know, I, it's always hard to make access everywhere. But, you know, I hope that's, I hope the consultant is being driven that, you know, we do want, you know, this to be accessible to the community. Yeah, that comment has come up. It came up at the visioning meeting. I discussed it with Patrick Olstead, the principal on the project. So I think they're very aware. And they have a lot of expertise in that area of being landscape architecture and planning. Does the board have any, I know, Tom? We're going to be discussing ARPA funding in a meeting. And I'm wondering if you anticipate any requests on ARPA funds? Yeah, that's a good question, Roger. I don't know that relocating the road for the ice center park may be a good topic because I know infrastructure is big part of that and it's expensive. So that's the big ticket item I can think of that might fit in well with that. I'm not, I am not an expert in ARPA funding at all. So I'll look forward to learning more about that. But that's, that's one project which I can envision. We need to relocate the road into the material storage area that could be part of that project and that could pave the way so to speak for, couldn't resist that one. Thank you. You know, that could, that could make way for the, you know, the development that could be a private non-profit investment as well in facilities. We've heard a lot of comments that we don't want to redo the road if it's possibly going to be moved. So that's something that. Right, right. That's what happened before it was paved and it sort of set it in asphalt there. So I think we want to make sure we make the right moves there. Definitely, definitely. Any other question before I, Elizabeth? Well, I just have three quick comments if we're on this topic and I'll try and be concise. But I just wanted to say we hired SE Group because they're a professional consulting firm that does this type of work and in the portfolio of work that they showed when they responded to the request for proposals that we approved, they showed like South Burlington, which again is another community in Vermont with even more residents that's balancing how you manage these types of things. So I think the goal is that they're bringing some expertise as someone who thinks about current and future use. Some of the tasks we had in that is identify significant issues that need to be addressed. If the use of existing recreational facilities continue and carrying capacity for current and future facilities. So I think your point of, alright, what's it at now? What's it at with the future? So I just want to say I think the goal is that we're leveraging that expertise. It is coming back to us and to others to, you know, because yes, maybe there are community specific concerns, but, and I do just want to speak into the steering committee. We don't have to re-ajudicate everything, but I would say the goal is we have a number of members who come who were picked for the committee specifically because they have really specific viewpoints. So we have someone who wants a skate park. We have someone who is capital soccer, which is a private non-profit that has developed in our community. We have someone from the recreation committee and just recognizing that the goal was not to say no one has an opinion, but that to say we've created a portfolio, so to speak, of a number of different folks and perspectives in the community to try and help provide perspective. But again it will also come to us and we welcome additional viewpoints as well, but just that's how we came to that, not saying that no one would have a point of view, but that we would have a range of points of view. Thanks, Alyssa. Anything else before we go, Tom? I just got a couple of points. One is a well-designed park is going to be the best of an all-inclusive community on, you know, the best use of it, it will best represent an all-inclusive community. That's number one. Number two is ever since that park was purchased with a conservation grant, the taxpayers have never had a chance to have a voice in what they actually want to. There's never been a vote on that park on this or that, or how to use the land. I'm wondering if there could be two options and then maybe it goes on the town meeting ballot of one or the other. And then the third thing is if they're going to do a path, it's not going to be cheap. So where's the money going to come from to do this once it's decided, okay we're going to do this. Chris, how much is a thousand foot, you know, two thousand foot ten foot wide path that's, you know, firm and it's not going to wash up? I can't see in some type of reason. I can't speak to that specific, but I can tell you right now, I was putting some bills out today. My own business and I was just floored by the increase in aggregate costs and such. It has to be some consideration. But as was said, we might consider our funds use, which could be part of the puzzle. And I think the goal is to have an approach for planning. I mean we did have, I think, almost 30,000. I don't have a budget in front of you. Thousand dollars of capital improvements for the parks program that for a variety of reasons didn't happen this year, but that was built as part of a balanced budget that was presented to voters at town meetings. So in my mind, when you have the outcome of something that says these are some possibilities and this is what they will cost that better allows us to have a conversation about which are most important on what timeline and how we will pay for them to speak to some other funding in addition to our fund. Yeah, I think I was going to give a similar answer that any large budget projects are going to have to come to town meeting, I think, for a vote through the budget process. So I think this is really the beginning of a master plan project that will give us some cost basis and get let the select board, E5 commissioners, the others in the community, the chance to make some recommendations and then we can look at budgeting, look at possible like ARPA funding, other grant funding, how that would be matched and so on. So I think that's really the purpose of the study to lay that out, but ultimately any larger projects are going to have to get budgeted and just like a greater, the taxpayers have to say we'll pay for a greater. So I'm saying I'd like to see a taxpayer voice in what they want, you know, on paper, what they want there. Why we approve a budget effort? Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go to town meeting. One other note here, I just I'd hate to get into speculating about where ARPA funds are going to be going just yet because we really haven't even sat down and put together a list of priorities before we start. Get a sense of what might be on the rising. And part of that, it's not because we haven't been thinking about it, but especially with we're going to be having a transition in town management with a new town manager. We want to get him, you know, to be part of that process. I think it's really important, you know, versus, you know, we have something. So I think that will be a very key thing. Yeah, and we've been keeping Bill very involved in this project in terms of a lot of detail. So before we end this agenda, Tom, I just want to introduce myself. I'm Steve Lott, speech. I should look at the hour, right? And I'm the planning and zoning director. And I'm also a landscape architect. I've been here almost as long as Bill, but not quite. I think I'm five, five years short of Bill's tenure here, but at any rate, I look forward to meeting you in person and working with you. Sounds great, Steve. And Chip and St. Albans has told me a lot about you. Oh, I don't know. Did you say chip? Okay, well, I've known Chip since he was at UVM and he's great guy. You're fortunate to happen. Yeah. So anybody have anything else? If we don't have anything else, let's move on. Thank you so much. Okay, you're very welcome. Thank you. Thank you for that first support. And the survey is open till the 30th. There's people out there and in the library and it's online. Okay, our next topic is discussion revitalizing Waterbury Agreement for Economic Development Director. I'm happy to speak to it if you'd like, Mike. Sure, if you can, that would be great. So really simple. There's not action needed, but just wanted to discuss it for the public to hear as well. Bill had sent us the former MOU for the past number of years. We've put on the ballot for the voters to approve a special appropriation for economic development director salary with RW. I think we all see and understand and appreciate the value of having that position. So barring not wanting to move forward with that MOU. We don't really need to take any action. The only action taken would need to be we decided not to extend that MOU again. So what's going to happen is Karen Nevin will come to a later meeting and propose the budget for us. And then we move forward with with creating that MOU based on the budget she presents. So we don't take any actions. We've got those numbers from her and have built here with us. But the deadlines approaching where we would have to let her know we wouldn't be entering into that. So we just wanted to make it public that we're not. Mixing that. Thanks Danny. I don't know if we need it but I'll move that we extend our agreement. We don't know no action. We don't have to get an act. So in the past we've had current or recently current updates on how that position has benefited the town of Waterbury and we haven't had them in some time. Is that something that I want to consider seeing or hearing. I'm curious to know this position cost the town X amount of year. Just kind of like to see what we're getting for our money. Well we can ask Karen if it's you know to what degree it's benefiting the town. Yeah. Yeah. Karen will speak to that when she comes but Chris maybe if we wanted to have more of a mid-year update we could just request and I can't remember. So Mark did provide a written update to all of us in August via that update. But if we want to present that in person if we wanted to because I'm up for more regular and also thinking about coordination. You know again in full just close mostly for talks benefits in this position. But this notification is because it's really weird to take a job and then be like oh this job might not be funded. Yeah. So the six month notification window in case the town decides not to renew it. And I agree. I think updates always make sense and also thinking about just for record like revitalizing Waterbury has an economic development committee called the Waterbury area Development Committee. At one point that existed and there was a town Economic Development Committee. I think at that point it was decided that that was kind of redundant. So just the RW1 lived on. But in thinking about although I love boards and committees what various boards and committees are doing and thinking that to me is another group that it might be worth like. If they really like or hate something we or another board or committee are doing having that regular conversation and communication makes sense. Thank you Alyssa that really add something to the conversation. So we'll we'll have more information on the RW agreement when Karen comes to us. And I just I wasn't touch with Karen to let her know. So she what she's going to do is reach out to Bill when she's ready to be put on. I was going to speak with her. At the RW business mixer. It was the same time as the visioning thing. So it kind of couldn't be it couldn't be in two places at one time. So I have I have to speak to her about a non related issue. So I'll get in touch with her and have her get in touch with Bill to get on a future agenda. Next topic is discussing approve the structure of the Waterbury area housing task force. Alyssa with apologies. Let me just say I know the phrase take space make space tonight is not a good. Also Johnson make space at a select board meeting. So apologies to all. Here we go. That being said as the housing enthusiast. We have actually already talked about this. So I have a printed copy. There's a couple extras here in the room and Karen I did email you. So if anyone needs it electronically. If you flip to the back on background information on June 20th. We all said we should have a housing task force. And this was for a variety of reasons that we all have noted just in terms of municipal trends and we also had the more recent presentation from revitalizing Waterbury about the specific housing task force. They had done in follow-up conversations housing study. Thank you. In follow-up conversation with the Planning Commission others. It was also noted this is something that town has done in the past with previous housing conditions. So we all. You know we had a unanimous motion to create this committee and then said we kind of need to work out the logistics. Steve still here. I did meet with Steve who has now left to talk about it a little. So really the goal is that we come away with a more final structure so we can start advertising. So this is a draft and welcome edits and discussions. I did say 12 members which is like kind of big. But we can discuss the set folks we had talked about was the select board rep in ifa representative. Planning Commission revitalizing Waterbury. We then had discussion about additional folks so down street affordable housing private development energy efficiency. I think you had mentioned homelessness and other communities. So what I proposed here is that we would have essentially four designees from specific boards and committees. But then that all the members are appointed by us the select board but that we do our best to balance folks who bring these various backgrounds we've noted recognizing that some folks might wear two hats or we forgot to include them on the slister. And so that we just include ask that folks not just say they're interested but why they're interested and what perspective they think they would bring to the committee. And again I left who we're sending that to in the day blank so to also discussing it. But this would be thought around moving forward and again this is a draft so welcome edits on any of it. I do there's a vague sentence about municipal staff Steve set has said as planner that he would be interested in participating and supporting this group but obviously we're not directly his boss and so I want to just be sensitive around that but he is said to me he's interested. Do you have a sense of how often this task force would be. No good question. I would envision monthly I would also say in the purpose I just the purpose as stated in this draft is that it's to advance the goals of our municipal plan related to housing. But then there's this more vague engage in other areas of work related to housing as agreed upon by the group just recognizing maybe we have a data enthusiast. Maybe we have more of a planning enthusiast than me like if there's a specific place folks want to go. That would be. I would defer to the people who want to participate versus feeling like we as a board have to dictate it. My question is similar to Rogers. Do you envision a period of time this task force will be in existence is going to be like forever or or. I know we're not going to solve housing. You know in a year or two that's just you know just people are just not realistic. But is there any kind of thought on. Is this kind of an ongoing kind of task force or. Yeah so to try to answer both of you as I would envision monthly that might be ambitious but I'm open to discussing it. And I think both I would envision as you said definitely longer than a year just given. I mean you were in the housing. Planning and long term. Thirty one years you know. So there's examples to why I should say from yeah the state finance housing authority a lot of folks just establish it as a standing committee. Another piece for us is like terms. So as six I think three or five year terms I was looking at examples. So that's one other piece that I didn't spell out but maybe we should talk. Yeah I think we can talk through it but I also and I also think that if we if a task force is put together and their representatives from these boards etc. That they can have autonomy and making these decisions and establishing terms and how they want to run. You know look at other towns and see how things are run. So in some ways if we want to help guide it we can and also you know we can allow the folks are really thrilled about this work to decide what what might work best for them as a community. I agree. To me in response to Rogers comment to me. Monthly seems to be kind of aggressive and you may burn people out that way. Either by monthly or quarterly again this is going to be a more of a fact finding and it's going to be probably work behind the scenes and doing things where. You know. You have to meet every month you know that's that's sometimes a question. You know I you know you don't want to have to have a meeting just because meeting is scheduled. So that's why if I have any kind of you know I think it would be better. You know some sort of a less frequent than monthly meeting. And would this be a town official committee that they have to be appointed. Given that we have said it's a task course of the select board and we're going to point them then yes it would be a town or at least I think it would fall under the so they would have to follow up a meeting law. Any further questions. What I mean is that I will say like this is really is 12 to many should we start with 10 and be less ambitious like this is the I know we don't normally like to you know edit in a meeting but I think this is one like we as a group can decide where the other 4. So I had 4 dictated from the boards and then that would leave a balance of 8. But we could make it within this 6. Yeah 8 that are essentially community members hoping that in selecting the community members were also checking these other boxes. I mean this could be 4 to 6 instead of 8. To me a bigger board sometimes have problems. Operating you know I would be 12 seems pretty ambitious you know either 8 at the most 10 would seem to be because most of our town boards are probably 5 member boards. You know again this is a big chunk that they are going to be doing so you may have to you know divide up some issues but I just think 12 is a lot. What do you mean by big chunk? Can you elaborate a little bit more on that? I think that there is a whole bunch of issues that this housing task force is going to face. And I think you know to get individual members to maybe take projects among you know again that price subject to open meeting law like everything else so you can't meet outside but to be able to do stuff put together information there is going to be a whole bunch of different topics that they are you know everything from you know mobile home parks to you know there is a number of things that they may be tackling. You know there is 2 problems that I see here with this. The first problem is the time span that it takes to number 1 accumulate data and number 2 like the time to implement it. By that time it is obsolete. Right. You know affordable housing is just a really difficult issue to try to solve. I don't know that it can ever be solved. My biggest fear and like always and I'll tell you right up front is in I can't speculate now on the impact but what would the impact be to our tax rate if any. I'll just express that up front that you know I don't think if for some reason this task force turns to the town for tax dollars in some form that's a huge concern for me. I don't necessarily see them maybe coming to the town you know maybe some money. But I see more to me you could develop affordable housing a lot more on the regulatory end. You know zoning would be the prime you know to me that's the prime area where we need to develop you know places that are applicable for housing. Then it's really some outside sources groups that are already you know ever north and down street and there are there are a zillion housing groups out there that are experienced housing developers and they could make things work and it's not always you know. I've seen a lot of studies done and everyone thinks all affordable housing it's going to increase the town tax rate. There have been many studies done that show actually it has a very neutral effect on the town tax rate. You know everyone's you know talks a bit worried about their property values going down. Actually what's more in the know is that when the housing that we have been developing in the state of Vermont that's affordable housing actually improves neighborhoods not deep declines neighborhoods. Everyone has this impression of the you know housing that's developed down in Mississippi or some other you know poor local which reflects poorly upon the community. That's not happening really in Vermont the affordable housing community is very responsible on developing good quality housing. It's better than a lot of private developers. And that's you know so it does have a positive impact on the community and a positive impact on the tax rate. And I don't know that Chris was even saying that I would just say in general to just show we have housing goals from the plan which I put on the back is ensure the availability of safe decent and affordable housing for all current and future Waterbury residents. So yes I understand the word affordables in that sentence but what's affordable to you me and a millionaire are all very different things. So to me that could be a lot of different types of houses and I want to say I hear Chris in that. Yes it's a committee and it is a committee that could at some point in the future make an ask of the select board. And so I completely understand and respect that. I think there is important enough work that needs to be done and work that can be done without requiring funding like zoning as Mike mentioned or even just like you know coming up with OK what is the situation and what might mean need in terms of meeting Waterbury's needs that would not be happening but for a group. So I think it's important to move forward with I certainly am not at least personally if I was to be on this going in with the goal to do something that would raise taxes I'm not going to preclude it from happening in the past who knows what the group is going to do but I think it's important to do now and I think there is important components that could have zero impact on in terms of a direct ask to the select board and maybe some positives as Mike was saying if you can help support grant growth development. No I'm not saying that the study is unnecessary I'm just saying that they've got a huge uphill climb. This is not an easy question in today's conditions. Yeah and then another piece to think thanks Roger another piece to think about is that you know there's a big picture right we there's this huge problem and like you say we're not we're I don't think we're solving it in this this dashboard but there are lots of small things to do like look at comparable size towns and see what's been effective or ineffective for them things that like the five of us just don't have time or capacity to do and Steve doesn't have capacity to do so just having folks with some expertise with some passion enthusiasm to like reach out and talk to other towns and see what's happening to do some you know data collection isn't perfect but it's really helpful and it can inform decisions so they're not just trying to you know eat the apple whole but just also take some small bites and and move things forward a little bit at a time and getting some folks who are excited to do that and have some capacity I think is is really the only way we're going to be able to make progress. Thanks for that. I was just going to say the reason that I moved this initially back in June was that we have these goals in the municipal plan to do housing and nobody is really assigned to implement those goals and so I think that this is a good opportunity to identify a group that can integrate both the public and private sectors to address us which they all are doing independently but this is a way to look at it more comprehensively and you know this town really does need young families and right now young families can afford to buy housing here can't find housing here and so if we're going to have schools and students how are we going to make that happen? To your point my cousin was in here a few months ago if you remember and he's and he's got a K for guess. Yeah he's got that project up in the center that he's been wanting forever to put affordable type housing in there he might be a good person to speak to in respects to this and quite honestly if I had the five minutes of extra time in my life I wouldn't mind being on this committee as well you know because my background is 40 years of history in this business. That's why it's so critical to have this group because we just don't have time here to tackle every issue and it's kind of delegating if someone has your real interest I would encourage them to consider being on the task force. So to move this forward could we suggest that we establish this task force and open up solicit interest people being members I would think that based on the discussion tonight we want to meet every other month monthly. Yep it's a great place to start and if subcommittees want to meet more often. I mean they can. Yeah right push the meeting part of it just because meetings take time. And I would also propose Danny's amendment of made up of up to 10 members. Yeah yeah and also recognizing if we have I would say like for your point because if there's one day you can make it come you know I think we don't need to be you know we want to have a structure on paper for that purpose but we could be flexible as needed with regards to you know who's there. Karen I don't want to put you on the spot is it OK if people email you with interest or would you prefer that go to me or another board member so as to not follow your inbox. Yeah I'm going to just say I'm pretty overwhelmed. Great I'm happy to have you not be the contact that's great that's that's why we wanted to ask that's why it's his person not a name. I'm happy to receive and save them until we are ready to break. So the address they are addressed to Danny. And then what by what state do we want to. That was going to be a question for us to discuss. I know we have agendas next. I'm opening my mind. It's two days and 19th. Yeah I know it's insane. By the 15th of October. What if we say Friday we have a meeting on the 17th. So let's say that Friday the 14th. Is that enough time. It's almost. Yeah. And if they come in over the weekend I won't reject them. Are we good with the questions we can ditch three. But do we think we want to ask questions. I know that's not how we've always done boards committees as past. I'm all for these. Personally. I'm not a. Municipal expert but. Do we. Do we. Do we need any kind of authority to create another kind of board. I know I don't know. Bill. I mean he did in the past meetings. Still was here for this meeting. Yeah that's all. Task force. We're not we're not giving them spending or. Regulatory authority. We're saying it's a group that's doing something in a municipal plan which we. Offer. And we will consult before the first meeting you know we're over a month out of. But yeah they'll they'll sanction this at multiple meetings so. Do you know that answer. Officially if you're just creating a committee of you pre votes. Okay. Three votes I think we got it. We'll get more than that. And I will say other good law students that other committees have done this and there's some resources for the state so that it's likely something this group will review up front just around as Danny said what other towns have done. And I did want to also say we have a town energy plan committee that's doing this well for Roger's point because their goal was we have stuff in an energy plan no one's doing it and I will say Dundee MacDougall has done a great job chairing that. It was quarterly I was on it super briefly when I was still at our W. And it was just a good way to say like can you research folks you know they did like a whole energy assessment of the sewer plan like look stuff that never would have happened. But Cynthia Parks was on the committee as an EFUD rep and helped facilitate that connection. So hopefully go. All right to Danny by October 14th Karen would it be okay to post this on the time website. If we give you language we can it sounds like OK. So Alyssa your task to be the housing task force maestro. If you all are good with that I guess you make a motion for myself if someone wants to move to approve this structure as we discussed with the timeline outline and appoint me as the rep I would be happy to serve as the rep but I'm not going to do that for myself. I'll move that we appoint Alyssa as our rep on this newly created Waterbury area housing task force and ask her move forward with the solicitation of interested members. And in that motion do we need to also have a second first approved before any discussion second. OK. Should we do we need to amend the motion to approve the composition as well. Or does that need to be. Does that I don't know if that has to do with. Up to 10 members as outlined in this briefing second the amended motion. Any further discussion on. The amended motion and. Second. If not all in favor say aye. Any opposed. Any abstentions. Motion passes unanimously. Thanks all. And thanks Danny for being willing to. Love collecting. Thank you. Next to last is discuss a gendered topic and schedule for future select board meetings. This is the big one. Got forty five. Forty three. Well I'm going to go. I'm going to start with the elephant in the room of ARPA. And I I propose that we find a time to create a special meeting to discuss ARPA rather than trying to fit it into a scheduled board meeting. And just for information just in this I'm not trying to be annoying but for baseline we have this is shocking six regular meetings love. So October 3rd October 17th November 7th November 21st December 5th and 19th if I'm correct. Yeah those are our standard first and thirds. And as we just outlined earlier Tom will be joining us for the last four so just in considering some of this. Some of things that may or may not want to be in November December as opposed to October. Yeah typically I think. I forget it's after after December 31st or in the January when we start meeting weekly because of the budget season. Is it December or January? I forget whether it's. And it bills helping with the budget during the overlap that would put some pressure on December. So what if what about a November special meeting. In the first three weeks of November. Other than the two meetings that already exist in November. Yeah special meeting not in our meeting. Is that doable? Oh November. I was going to say I want to zoom in on that. Hopefully with any luck. Complete my list of work in front of me. I'm out of here in the end of October. I mean October is doable. We could also invite Tom to see if he's available. To join us for a meeting. I think that's really critical that Tom is part of those discussions because. He'll be working. With us to develop our proper plans long term. Well to speed things up should each board member think about these three things that. May fit into that list and. Boil it down or how do you want to handle that. As far as priorities. We could have maybe each one of us for the next meeting just have. Maybe priorities that we think are important for our profession. That I say that was my question around. Just to clarify are you envisioning this as a public input special meeting. Like or just us as a board. And I mean it would obviously public would be welcome but I was imagining it as us as a board so that we could come up with ideas and then also discuss. A method of potentially soliciting public input. I think we would. I think it would be a disaster if we just opened up random. Without having. In October which is why. No discussion amongst the board and bill. To discuss some top priorities discuss some potential big spending and then also talk about and refine. A method of soliciting input. Yeah. If I recall we had one point four million. We gave a hundred thousand to the ice center. If I didn't take the six hundred thousand. Right. We should still get a hundred and three. One point three. We got fifty to C.B. Fiber. And then we have that 90 hanging out on highway that I keep asking about. But hopefully we don't go over too much. To. The ambulance. So it is. Not still only. So we're down a little bit from our total. So the seventeen. I guess. Is there other things. So you're saying Danny seven or we could do later October potentially. Chris can be here. Well I was. Yeah I was saying I'm still I still wasn't saying during our meeting on the 17th. I still think. Right so after. Yeah. Any time during October so I think it would be really good to have you in person. And then if we have a date available I think. We could extend an invitation to Tom and see if he would be available. Even be a zoom. For Tom. Yeah just. Okay. So I want to pitch a date. Are there any nights for folks that are fully off limits. We knock that off first. October 4th Tuesday is the only absolute no for me. Thursday. Are or are not. Oh yeah not October 24th. Wait you said not good. They are good. They are good I'm sorry. So a Thursday. How. 20th. October 20th. 20th works for me. You there. You could. What a guy. Thank you. Thursday. I will just say for public information on how things are. No. I met at 5pm. I was a conflict with the fire station. That's fine with me. I'm just stating for public record. Okay. Did they change it already? I mean they rewarned it for the 24th. 24th. Thank you. 5pm today. Okay. So yeah. 20th. Okay. Wow look at this sketch. Okay. October 20th. Thursday October 20th. And we could review the agenda at the meeting on the 17th. on the 17th, so that on the 20th week, all right? You wish to have that in the convention? Yeah, do you have it available? Yeah. I will look up on this. Yeah. Thank you. Even if it was planned, you'd take this right next one. Nope. It looks good. Yeah. OK. Oh. September special meeting, ARPA. And I can send like a sort of outline of what the agenda might look like, you know? OK. Well, and I'm saying we could even, like, if you want to do. Oh, you mean talk about that after. Now on the 17th, if you had, like, it would be wonderful if you're willing to draft. Yeah, totally. Yeah, on the 17th. Got it. I got you. So I'm adding on the 17th draft agenda, review agenda for. OK. We had, I believe Vermont State Police Reports was suggested as a November or December. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What time do you wish to have that in the convention? 7. Yeah. Right? Yeah. 7 PM. Thank you. You know, since I'm breaking the mold. What? One moment. What other time do you show up? Being hourly. 7.30, they threw me off the other night. Yeah, Bill had suggested that he invite the Vermont State Police Lieutenant White during our first meeting in November, which I believe was the 7th, and Tom could participate. It's OK. I'm going to do a good question. Does that work? First point, does that work? I have no crisp. I mean, we can change it. But that's what Bill is suggesting. Is there a doubt about the DAs, too? All right. You know, I was hoping to still do that at some point. I don't know if the election is up. Can you move it up if the election is up? Oh, I didn't even think of that. Yeah, because, right. I'm re-situated every, you know, the chess game. Oh, do you think what they had was shutting up? Are we shutting up in here? You know, I don't know if that makes any difference at this point, as we had it prior to the election. I don't know. It's a disinterested deal. Hear a little bit about the other side of the coin. In fact, when you were all talking about Lieutenant White coming in and this and that, whether it was today or yesterday, I was thinking to myself, I want to talk to them about the difficulties that are being faced with, not just what they're doing for the town, but what are you guys up against now with, you know, too much in the drug issue? More so about, yeah, how their hands are tied and is it becoming more difficult for them to prosecute and solve the problems under today's circumstance? Because I know there's huge shortages in law enforcement right now. Do we have a lot? Do we have already items for October 17? I don't know what we do. I wonder if that would work. I mean, I don't know if it would work for them, but we could extend the invitation for that. I don't know any problems moving it up. So will you? I can communicate with Bill. Perfect. Tom. Yeah, I'm just wondering. I want to be in a traffic jam. I think it was really about Tom, because he had a relationship with Lieutenant White as executing our contract for police services. So I think part of it is developing that relationship. So I do want to be respectful of how many pre-employment asks for a date. No. OK. So I was going to say December 5th, but I know it's been on our agenda for a while. So that's a while away. I think that, I mean, is a month going to change? I mean, how much difference is a month to make sure we're all here? You can also, I mean, let's ask the 17th. I just want to, I think that's why Bill made that. 17th of October is one of the rare days I can be here. Great. Easy. That's it. I'm going to miss her. Yeah. We applaud. Yeah. Going to be in the Adirondacks hunting? Good for you. We, well, this violates everything else we've talked about, but we could do it the 20th, unless you insist that we only assume the Lieutenant White would be about it. How long do we expect? Probably they could go on. Yeah. I just. No, I support protecting that. I just felt like. It just felt like a four-hour meeting in the making. Yeah, I know it's, yeah. And like a lot of high-emotional energy intensity items. I mean, I think, Chris, if you feel like your participation via Zoom isn't really satisfactory, then it seems like December 5th might be the best alternative. I might be back by December 5th. Yeah. No, if not, we can do it in November and do it again. That's what I'm wondering if I just want to honor that, like you've requested this on the agenda, and so we want to make sure we have the speakers here. I'm looking forward to. Let's do it in December 5th. I always prefer to be here in person. You know, it's. Yeah. So, I mean, do we want to move forward with Lieutenant White over seven, because we've discussed others? See, how long will it really take for a discussion with Lieutenant? I mean, even if we get into the weeds a little bit. Now? Yeah. You made it? I'm pretty sure. It's something big, because, you know, they are the only law enforcement in town. I'm just too. Yeah, I can make it. I think that's the least we could. Cap it. Or we could start earlier to ARPA first and have him after. Or vice versa. Have him first. Have him at six if we can start at six. Well, I mean, I don't know. Or start at seven. And I guess like my, I think we need a solid two hours to discuss both our priorities, get input. And then if we're talking about soliciting public feedback, like that's going to be a long conversation. So I think we need a solid two hours for that. And then if we want to block one hour for Lieutenant White, and then somebody gets to be the bad guy without a timer. It doesn't stand at three hour meeting. Yeah. What to your point, do we want to start at six or something for that particular meeting? If we can, if Lieutenant White can and if Com can. So there's a lot of moving parts, I think. That might work better for the Lieutenant because a lot of times he's probably on some sort of a regular schedule and he'll probably just be coming from the barracks. And I bet you that will work better for him. Not to jinx the process here, but if it did happen to run over, if he started at six, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Right. Who wants to ask? So the other big is Bill Shepulak, Lieutenant White. So who's making those asks? So Roger said he would reach out to Bill. And then I think Bill would reach out to Lieutenant White. Great. And they'll also. So special meeting on the 20th, Karen is 6 p.m. And then Tom would 6 work for you. I don't know what your day and yeah, even. I'm sorry. This is more efficient than I like being in the room. We're going to first connect with Bill Shepulak, but the intent would be to invite Lieutenant White at 6 p.m. to talk with us for about an hour. Correct. And then move on to ARPA funding from there. All right. Thank you. Yes. And in the meantime, our individual work is to brainstorm and come to that meeting with some ideas, questions, concerns, proposals, et cetera, about ARPA allocation and public input. Cool. What else? We have a lingering item. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Well, we can say on the 17th agenda, we're going to have appoint members to the new housing task force. We just created it. What do you want to do that? The 17 because we asked for applications by the 14th. The other things on the parking lot or noise ordinance parking ordinance. Oh. Zen Barn. Zen Barn. October 3rd. Yeah. I would like to take this time to let you know, I cannot attend October 3rd. Unfortunately, at a memorial service in Florida. So I can't, yeah, can't be here. That's fine. Carry on with that. Yes. I'm sorry. Should we have the parking lot as well? No, we were just brainstorming. We said I've come up as like community concerns that we said, let's put that. I mean, I'm not sure if it's a, it's a good idea. But we did have a lot of comments on this. I think that was, we received a concern with regards to parking at Zen Barn that we just got briefly at the end of the last meeting. Decided we wanted to shuffle. For that conversation. And Danny, you recommended that we get the interest in parties. Invited to that. I can take care of that. Thank you. And that would be, is that okay, Danny? Like, do you feel like you are okay with that? Yeah. So we're planning with Zen Barn. time without me. No one, both Ari and Brian. Yeah, and I wonder if it's worth outreach to the troopers to see about calls or things that came in. So it might be worth just mentioning to Bill. We also talked about students providing. Yeah, I was just going to say my only in moving from a third to the 17th didn't we talk about didn't you want Steve to come in regarding like what jurisdiction actually do we have to regulate parking and entertainment? Yeah, I think Bill was actually pretty good. I talked to Bill about that actually during that information. Yeah. I spoke to Steve lots of speech about it and he said one possible thing is to consider the cost of the dangerous aspect of no park official because the ones that are there are just Zen barns but a that whole stretch having you know a no parking zone from from the select board. Right, that's basically our only choice and the way because again so we want to solve this but we're confident. Can I ask a question maybe I sure something that the rest of you didn't hear but didn't Bill speak the other night in reference to the to the town right-of-way and that they were not parked in the on the town right-of-way? Right, down below their driveway he said there's I spoke to Steve about it he said we've improved for the the park that goes you know next right next to the golf course there's kind of a town right-of-way and that was improved during that whole process so that I think they're parking on the town right-of-way. That's my point I believe that Bill was wrong I believe that they are parking in the town. That's why from my discussion with Steve you're correct. And Woody could answer that question. Right, it's a matter of all enforcement how you know the fishmen have tried doing something by putting up those you know parking and it's helped a little bit. So we're discussing the future agenda I just wanted to migrate. We're being that agenda now. We're going to discuss it in detail. Do we want to see if Woody wants to attend also for that meeting? Is that worthwhile? I think we should. Bill will see who he wants to. I think it would be a good idea to have Woody present. And then you had spoken Roger with Skip about coming back for the sewer discussion. He's not prepared to do it this month. I would also propose November. I was going to say the same November otherwise I feel like we're going out to like February because of budget season. So November might be a good opportunity. I don't think that's one that you necessarily need to be there for in person. And what's the goal for that? Remember when you came into the water one? Yeah, I think the concern is that you think participating in a merging of the groups that the E5 feels as though we need to be better informed about that. He wants us to know a little bit about what's going on before he aims the baton. So, Sue, November 7th. Thank you for reminding me that MOU with E5 October 3rd with regards to the manager contract. Yes? How's October? Actually, it might be the 17th because one is EFUD's next regular meeting. Lefty. We have to write an MOU with you about your regular meeting. Yeah, the second Wednesday. October 12th for your next regular meeting. So I guess the question would be do we both am. That's the question. Is it a sandwich? Is it the third and the 17th? We could ask Bill, but we'll cancel on either of those, right? EFUD and MOU. I don't think it'll be forever. So there's already one in existence, so would it be updating? So on the third, we could update what exists, propose it to EFUD. They could have it at their meeting on the 12th, and then it can be finalized on the 17th. Is that like the process? That might be good. I will also say at this point, I know Bill has been intentionally hands off for the hiring process. Jamid, that feels like something he has professional staff is likely going to assist with. So I don't know that it will take that long, but we have it penciled. I will also say I can send this to all of you. I'm filling in topics on dates. Thank you, Madam Secretary. Bill wasn't one of the objectives to clarify how much they contributed to the municipal manager. Correct. I like that. As much as possible, right? About 75%. Are you reaching back up to Skip and inviting him for November 7th? I know a lot. There's a lot on your plate. Thank you. Just because you already had that communication. The neighbor. Yeah, just yell. So we're talking the third for the sewer discussion, so we're in advance. November 7th. Okay, I just heard that first. Yeah, third chart for the MOU. I did the my brain jump too fast thing. Okay. So EFUD MOU regarding the municipal manager would be October 3rd and or 17th pending Bill Shetblug and EFUD's thoughts. Okay, that's what I heard because I thought we wanted to be in advance. And then the history of EFUD and sewer in Waterbury brought to you by Skip Flanders. Assuming... I may just zoom in on that anyway if I had a chance to be like watching Gunsmoke again. Get some popcorn. A very comprehensive presentation. Was there anything else? Social media policy? So I actually solicited some input from other committees and other towns, but I haven't had time to really... The manager's search stopped everything else I was doing. So I'm happy to spend some time synthesizing the information and then presenting it, presenting maybe a proposal to the board. Social media policy. And, you know, with obviously lots of discussion because it hasn't something we've discussed, but I'm happy to do that. And that might... Does it seem like it needs to be November? Like how's the 17th? The 17th, there is three things, but I mean it's... One is review agenda for our meeting, appoint members of housing task force. Alright, they're not... Okay, so why don't we put it on the 17th then? I'll give it to me a little bit of time. Thanks. And obviously, you know, we do have a social media policy for town officials, right? Well, kind of. The rest of our... Departments, that's exactly it. Yeah. The noise are in the midst. You know, it's like I fell out of bed. I fell out of bed from having, you know, dial phones into high school kids. I was coming back to Montpellier this morning. Every time I passed some kids staying beside the road waiting for the bus, they weren't talking to each other. They were just like this. And I'm thinking to myself, what kind of world am I in now? You know, it's... They were talking to each other for eight hours at school. I was sick of each other. Yeah. They weren't supposed to be talking to each other. So, you know, they were talking all day. You know, it's amazing. They were talking to each other. We think, yeah, right here, standing next to each other, isn't it? I like talking to each other. We think cell phones have been around forever. But if you watch some old television shows, they all have no function in those shows. When she's mentioned in a social media... Those are made for great TV. Right. To be clear, I don't post anything on it, but we've received public requests. No, no, no. I think this is a foreign social media problem. As do I. That's why we're going to... We can take in it. That way we'll have something to point to. In fact, we do have to go there. I know. So, we can leave those ordinances on there for a little while, right? Well, so I... Leave what? The noise ordinance and the parking ordinance. Well, I will say, we don't need to pick a date now. It might be worth... I know the planning commission, my dear friends. Do you have some administrative zoning by-law updates that Neil drafted that I think they're reviewing and will ultimately come to us? They are not, as far as I understand, substantive policy changes. It's really like housekeeping on how long you need to notice things. So, we'll defer to all of them, but I'm just saying for all of us, that will probably come up at some point. And if we don't have, like, a draft of the by-law update personally, and I'm biased, I go there, but I think a planning commission, like them talking about... Yeah. The zoning rewrite and where they're at, which does relate to parking in that, like, we inherited the weird parking ordinance from the former village trustees, and we snapped three cars high that you love to put a string there. Oh, I don't. You know. I'm sorry, I love it. Don't get me started. It worked. Don't get me started. So, at least for someone who's been on the planning commission, like, there is some weird things where you know, some of that defaults to what we all choose to do about parking, talk about Sto Street parking too. Yeah. So, maybe we say parking at some point. Parking at some point. Probably doesn't need to be out of town. And we're gonna have budget stuff, I'm sure. Yeah. So, it feels like we got a lot of these on agendas. Yeah. And stuff that wasn't in the parking lot that needed to happen got on agendas. Speaking of past things, I know we discussed at the last meeting the striping of Sto Street. Does anyone know if there's any plans for that to happen? We approve. Yeah, I don't know the date, but... The narrowing. Yeah. We approve that they put in narrowing for traffic planning for Sto Street. I mean, you could reach out to Woody for dates. Right. He doesn't like send those updates to us, but... We'll see which lines get wore off first. Yeah. Well, I'm just taking it. Getting later and later in the season is gonna be at some point where he's not gonna be able to do it. Yeah, well... Well, he said that he was gonna do the outside lines and what the state is in charge of doing the double yellow line. Right, in the middle. No. He's doing his part. I don't know. I'm sure he'll think about it. Yeah. Is there anything further to come before us on the agenda topic scheduled? Oh, Wolfson and Chris. Oh, yes. Oh, well, that was gonna be... Budget in December? Well, Wolfson, I'm gonna get that. Yeah, well, we don't have to do that. I'm sorry. Budget, come on. I thought that was gonna be all I had to hold and sandpick. We were bouncing around a lot. What? Us? Yeah, it could be... It could be part of the... It may even want to be part of this discussion, you know, like people are starting to talk about it. True. Because it kind of falls into... aspiring something. Perhaps. So we want to put that... Saving something. Put it that way. Are you proposing that we make advance purchases of aggregate? Or is it like a bigger deal? Purchase. Purchase. Purchase. Purchase. Well, I've already mentioned at the bill about buying possibly five years of... Oh, yes. Road sand supply ahead of time. And, you know, there also was discussion because you just rang the bell for me. Remember I talked about the quarry on Sweet Road? Right. Yeah, I wonder whatever happened with that whole deal with... Glen Anderson and the lawsuit and what happened with our proposal to the... Agreed. That's the thing. We should get it over. We're back. We just have to do it. Probably. For us to hear what took place. I forget who I heard from. I heard that the landlord wasn't interested. Really? Right. We can ask... Yeah, bill for... We can ask bill for an update. Official update on that. Yeah. Third? Yeah. Is that okay? It also might have to be a second session because some of that was legal. Right. So that could be something that you bring to that ARPA meeting. And then if we choose it can also go in a budget discussion. Yeah. And I'm also just saying out loud that we will have two of these meetings with input from the Parks Planning Study, not scheduled yet. What did Steve just say? Late fall. That does not help me. Late fall meetings for input on concepts, but just knowing that among those. It's like probably not October. November. Yeah, probably that November 7th. I'm going to write maybe Parks Input. Dependent. You know, they're keeping the survey open through the 30th. And then we can do things. Where did the noise ordinance set up? It didn't. Purgatory. Purgatory. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we talked about it being dealing with the zoning changes. That's more of the parking versus noise. But I would think noise would have to do also with zoning. They're both coming from the same place. Right. Unfortunately. We could say for the 7th, having since we will have met with Lieutenant White on the 20th, and have a... An accurate understanding of enforcement capacity, which if I recall, is often the barrier. Yeah. Can you make a noise ordinance question? Yeah. Or just like at the enforcement conversation in general so that we don't forget. Because I think we continually forget things we say one hour earlier. Okay. Anything further on agenda topics and scheduling? I think we about beat that to death. Honestly, I think this has been a really productive time. And I will say we don't have to go to this extent. But in the future, I think we like check in about next meetings agenda at the end of a meeting. I personally find really helpful just to remember. Okay. If not, we'll move on to the next item. And I think the last item, which would be the Children's Cancer Awareness Week. The folks from the Children's Cancer Awareness Week, they were writing for requests of proclamation from the town recognizing October 23rd to October 29th as Childhood Cancer Awareness Week in Waterbury. Cancer, of course, is the leading cause of death by disease among children in our country today. This challenging, this tragic disease is detected in more than 16,000 of our countries, young people, each and every year. And we are grateful for Monts many support. It's basically the Lions Club is sponsoring this request this year. They're just asking for a town proclamation to say it's Childhood Cancer Awareness Week. I don't see a real problem with that. I know each one of you have been sent a copy of the memo by, I guess it comes from, ACFC Kids. How long does it mean to recognize the folks who are 23rd and 29th as Childhood Cancer Week? Thank you. Do we have a second? Seconded. Just in terms of discussion, they pretty much gave a bunch of whereas for the proclamation did we want to, they said, please add your concluding statement. And just whereas the town of Waterbury supports any efforts toward, you know, ending Childhood Cancer, you know, in this country. I think it would be as simple as that. Sure. Is that a friendly amendment? Okay. If we have a motion that I believe a second, all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstentions? Motion carries. I'm sorry. Chris. Chris. Chris. So, Mike, are you going to draft our... It's kind of there. Yeah, but you want to put it on letterhead and finish the therefore and then we can sign it. I'll speak to Bill. I don't know because I know a lot of times they have, you know, these official things with a seal. Do you know if they have, they've been doing that when they do a proclamation? I've been seeing official things with a seal and we certainly have letters. Right. Yeah. Right. I just know, I just know from working in the federal government, we, you know, and even in state government, you see a lot of times they have something very official with a seal or something. I don't know if the town even has one. I would say you fund made a nice little one for Carla at their last meeting and it's pretty casual. Yeah. Yeah. So what I would just type it up and word and then have it, you know, put on the town letter head and we can sign it. Exactly. Yeah. So you're going to do that? Yep. It's pretty easy. Just, just, just, just adding the one quick extra sentence to what they have to the like one. The Montpelier example that's attached is a good one and you can copy the bottom. It's like therefore the town of Montpelier declares blah blah blah. Exactly. It's. Yeah. Exactly. That won't be hard to do. No. Okay. Is there anything further to become before us? If not, I entertain a motion to adjourn. Also move. Second. Second. All in favor say I. Chris before discussion. Do we need to sign the contract? We do. Yes we do. Before we adjourn or can we do? We authorize the sign. Right. We authorize so I think we're okay. Let's all stick around. Yeah. Thanks. Finish before nine. Good. All right. Then I. Then we're all I. I. Motion passes.