 In August 2020, we interviewed Scott Reinhard, a designer at the New York Times. He was one member of a team publishing COVID-19 data. The team worked in continuous shifts, like in a hospital, but from the isolation of their homes and apartments. This is an outbreak that started at zero cases, right? And it started with literally a Google spreadsheet where they were just starting to track each individual case as it came in. So when I showed up in March and it was less than a thousand, it was like it was a Google spreadsheet. And there was just four of us in New York, London, and Hong Kong updating this tracker 24 hours a day, seven days a week. And so I just like went into it and it was like a month and a half straight of work, no time off. And as those cases are scaling, you know, eventually it broke the Google spreadsheet because we're like at 60,000, 70,000 cases. And, you know, the impact just, I mean, I'll probably keep referencing this, but the personal impact of just seeing, you know, updating in the morning and then going back in the afternoon to do the update and there's 3,000 more cases and just think, oh, shit. So as we were building this, or, you know, starting to maintain and update these trackers in the background, they had a development team that are building more robust databases that could actually handle the amount of data being piped in, as well as, you know, at that time, they're building a data collecting team. And that includes people tracking, you know, all of the press releases from health departments, but also there's a really, really robust team of developers that are working at scrapers so that we're constantly, constantly scraping data from everywhere as much as we can. You know, I'm 36 now and was working as a graphic designer, I don't know, last 15 years. And I've kind of like dropped into this other world that's like graphic design adjacent, but not, you know. And so, so deeply close to these numbers and they haven't really become abstract to me. You know, it's not like I'm just hitting a script and publishing and it hasn't become automatic.