 I think that if you'll see some of the rookies, we'd like to ask them to earn the right to be in there. Whether they're with the second group because of an injury or opportunity, we want to make sure that they're earning the right to be on this football team, just like everybody else. But there's a lot of names here. And there's going to be a lot of different combinations. As we work our way through the preseason, there'll be a lot of combinations on Friday as we get to our first game. So I wouldn't put a lot of stock into it on what it looks like now. I think we can all anticipate that some of these names will remain as starters for us going into the season. But then there'll be a lot of other guys that throughout the course of the preseason and games work their way up or work their way down. I think that that helped. Yeah, but like perks are not going to go one, for example. I mean, there's a lot of personnel packages and things like that. But you want to, you know, some days he'll start. Some days he, some games he probably or may not. I'm not sure. That wasn't to get Taylor and Ty back into team drills today. Well, you know, that return to play and those are good things. They've been out there, they've been working hard. And we need bodies there. Obviously, we need good bodies and good players. So hopefully they'll respond favorably to that work. We'll see how they feel and then see where they're at in the morning and whether we add on, kind of like we have done with Farley. Caleb's gotten some more work as he's been out there and some other guys that are in that category as well. Start having conversations about the preseason game that's coming up. How long do you want to play these certain guys who gets to sit, those sorts of conversations? Who would be having those conversations? Me and you? Yeah, no, I mean, I have a good idea. I've talked to John about it. And those are the two people that usually decide most of the things that happen as it relates to our football team. Have a conversation with our coaches. We'll see how we come out of the practice tomorrow. And again, we'll determine that closer to game time. What's the preseason in different this year with three games as opposed to four years past? I mean, I think every year is so unique as it relates to the injuries and the numbers of guys that we have and who will have to play based on other players' availability and how guys are performing and how many reps they get in practice. There's a lot of guys that are logging a lot of reps that may have to play a lot in the game. And some of those guys that are getting a lot of reps may not play as much in the game. So I think every game in each week in a preseason is unique. We want to come out and be the most prepared that we can be, but also very conscious of the health of the football team and all those opportunities that we get to improve as it relates to some young guys or some guys that are new to our program. What would you say Josh Reynolds is as far as getting integrated into the offense and what are some of the expectations that you may have in this preseason? Well, again, we talk about expectations. And the expectations are the same for every player and every coach. And the coaches would be to try to teach, develop, and eventually inspire other players to do a better job. And the player's job is to know what to do and be able to execute, play fast, and aggressive. And Josh was doing that, had some time off, and has started to work himself back in there. So we'll continue to see where he's been. And again, he started off, had a really nice couple of days. And then no fault to his own. Something happens. And he has to be out a few days. But I like his professionalism. I think he's locked into the meetings. I hear him communicate. He doesn't have a whole lot of mental errors. And so that's a good start as far as playing receiver. Now you've got to go out there and get open and catch the ball. A coaching moment with Caleb Barle today. Just what have you seen from him generally in his first two days of team stuff? I mean, he's just got a lot of work to do. And he's whatever made a mistake or didn't do something great and kind of stood there or laid on the ground. And I just said, that's not how we're going to do it. I mean, there's going to be a lot of mistakes that happen through the course of the game. But we're going to go finish. And we're going to find somebody to cover or find somebody to tackle or finish the play. But I think we wouldn't do it if we didn't think that it provided some sort of security blanket. We try to do the best that we can to stay up and practice fast, continuing to remind them to stay up when guys go down or guys are on the ground. And we want to be able to do that. I hope that it helped something. I mean, we wouldn't make them do it if we didn't feel like it helped. So all we can do is try to practice and be as coordinated as we possibly can, making sure everybody's going in the same direction. Everybody's staying on their feet. Defensive guys not slinging guys to the ground. I try to do my best to coach that on both sides. And focus on the football team. And remind a defensive guy that we're not taking cheap shots or an offensive guy. We're not taking cheap shots. We got to do our best to stay up to try to get something done out there, but obviously do it as fast and as healthy as we can. No preseason games and how you went into the season. Did that change at all in your mindset of how do you view preseason game work for guys and how you might approach this season? I think the thing we thought about last year was as you work your way towards a game and after a game, there's some time off. There's some lag time. Thursday is going to be a travel day. Friday is going to be a game. And Saturday is going to be a day off. So last year, our focus was making sure that we just didn't practice all the way through those days and get the mileage or the volume up. And I thought that Frank and I and Todd and everybody involved with that tried to do a good job there. And then we'll kind of see where we're at here in the next couple of days. We'll have a call it tomorrow and we'll see guys just play and execute without a script. And then we have to go through a lot of situational stuff on Wednesday before our first game, pregame stuff. And then obviously situations that may come up in a game that hopefully if we continue to rep them as they go down in the course of the game, if we get one in the season, then we'll be able to execute it and hopefully use it to our advantage. How do you value the reps within the game more or less, not having it last year? Well, we'll see after it. I mean, obviously, any chance you have to go out there to compete against somebody else in a game, in a competition setting, and tackle, and finish, and block, and have a penalty, have a sting of a penalty, actually affect the team. We were in two-point play today and we jumped off site where we fall started. Unless it was the end of the game, we would come back to the 20 and kick the extra point. So that's what we did. It's good that the officials were here. It's great. Hopefully those meetings go well with the players and they can continue to communicate what their mechanisms are, what they're looking at, and how they officiate a game so that our players can use all that information to go out there and help them do their job. What language and sense of urgency at the end of the game stuff you didn't see at the message? Why should I? I mean, we've got to compete. We've had games last year where we didn't play at the early part of the game like we expected to, Cleveland, Pittsburgh. But the thing that I was most proud of was that you have two choices at a halftime. You can go out there and lay down, or you can compete and see what happens. And we missed a kick ultimately in Pittsburgh. And Cleveland, we came back, and at least we're competitive. And so that's what I'm trying to focus on, is just competing. Try to show them Gabe Stevenson. There's eight seconds left and normally in wrestling, like anybody that watches wrestling, that match is over. 99 times that out of 100, they're just going to stall you out. But he kept fighting, competing, and found a way to win with 0.4 seconds or whatever he did. So that's the mindset. I was like, OK, maybe you lose, but you've got to find out. You've got to go compete as hard as you can. And if you do indeed lose, then we've got to come back and fix the stuff. But we will, and we'll coach it. And guys are tired and in long practice, and it's hot and there's a million excuses. But we're just looking for guys to try to go win a game in that situation. Your approach with Derrick Sion? Don't prolong this thing any longer. Your approach with Derrick's science and how much does it feel? Like, will there be a day you just walk in here, look at him, and say, you know what, we're going to ramp it up today? Probably not. I mean, we've tried to communicate that before. There's a plan. I mean, there's a lot of science, and there's things. He'll have to get some work as we go through here closer to the season. And he does get a little bit. I mean, in a controlled half-line drill with some run and some pass that less bodies and pretty basic look so that we can just get him a little bit of tracks or a little bit of speed. So we'll just continue with the plan and always try to communicate with the players. From last year's draft class this year with the full off season and so forth, are you seeing more? I mean, I think some guys have improved. I mean, I do. I'm not going to compare whatever we looked like last year at this time with the rookies and that. One, I probably couldn't tell you. But I have seen some improvement. I think some guys that maybe made some mistakes early on have done and eliminated some of those mistakes. Maybe have gotten better in some of the special teams techniques that maybe they either didn't play or they weren't accustomed to at the college game. So we'll just keep plowing along with them and put them out there on Friday and have them ready to go and see how they respond. What was the progression for Luke Fickle? I know he's a close friend of yours. What would you make of the progression of his coaching career so far? Well, I mean, Luke was the best man in my wedding. He was my host when I got to Ohio State. One of my best friends. I think that as he worked his way through Ohio State, he had a lot of opportunities to go other places. And he always did what was best for his family and to him. And he's in Ohio State. And he stayed there. And then I think when he had an opportunity, you've seen what he's been able to do at the University of Cincinnati and the type of program that he's built, the type of coaches that he has there, and then obviously the type of players in recruiting that he's brought on there. And I think that Luke is obviously a fantastic coach, great friend, and somebody that I rely on to talk to. And as he starts camp and I start camp, and we talk about whatever's going on each day. So he'll be able to hopefully build a great program there like he has been. Practice Wednesday. You're just going to simulate the whole Atlanta game day with that? Is that the thinking behind that time? Yep. Show up and we'll find out. It's like kickers, punters, I mean, that stuff. Here we go individual here, 7-on-7 team. And then we'll have some practice. And then it'll be a lot of those one or two-time situations that you want to cover that we have to cover. Earlier in the day, will you use some of that? Well, yeah. That's the reason why. And I get what your question was. We want to be able to meet on it, watch TV copy of it, show tape of it, walk through it so that they understand why we would be doing that situation, what that last play may be, what it may look like, what taking a safety would look like on the punt team, or how much time comes off the clock when you on-side kick it and you recover it, which is none if it's an immediate recovery, or how much time comes off if you bun it to them and they touch it and they recover it. One sec. Well, all those little things that gives us an opportunity to teach and then come out here and walk through. OK, guys.