 I'm excited to be here with Faith. She is one of my favorite people to, you know, content on Instagram is very entertaining. So, and on Facebook as well. So be sure to check out, of course, I will have links. But Faith is a successful business owner. She has a six-figure Young Living Oils business, which means that she mentors a lot of people. A lot of people, she looks up to her for business, you know, sort of leadership. And so I'm really excited to have her share, her thoughts about productivity, joyful productivity basically, but she, yeah, because, you know, Faith has had the experience of building up a successful business, but also along the way, kind of like, you know, just like a lot of us have dealt with some burnout and then needing to find a way that's much more sustainable personally for her to keep going and to be able to show up with joy and with vibrance and creativity on a regular basis, because a lot of people look to her. So Joy, thank you for being here and I'm excited to have you share with my people. Hey, hi, thanks for having me here. I'm so honored and grateful to be on your platform as well, to talk about stuff, yeah. Yeah, yeah. For me, business is pretty exciting because I think it's very interesting in the longer in this business, right, the more I realize that maybe the way how women see business and entrepreneurship is so different from men, at least for what I understand when I speak to my husband because he runs his own business as well. And I think this has come to an age where for us women, we come into our own family tea, our own intuition and gifts as to how we create and how we grow our business with a lot of joy and purpose there as well. Yeah, yeah. Thank you for mentioning that. I do, definitely we should talk about this. One other thing I forgot to mention is that not only are you a successful business owner, you're also a mother of two fairly young kids and they're hilarious, they're wonderful because sometimes they show up on the videos too. And it's a lot of work because you have to caretake for your kids, for your husband, I'm sure there are other caretaking responsibilities in your life, personal, but you also have to caretake for all these people in your organization. And on the side, if that's not enough, on the side, you're also a coach. You're also, besides the young living oils business, you're also a coach for women on these things about joyful productivity. So the first question I have for you, there's so much we can talk about, but you talk sometimes about how so many people assume that to succeed in business means it's a hard slog. You have to suffer, you have to work hard and suffer so that you can become successful and then enjoy the fruits of your success. So you're trying to change that paradigm. So tell us about that, what's the alternative? And how can we actually make it work? Okay, so to me, I guess for me right now in my current season of life, I'm more about being sustainable in my business because if I'm on the thought that I have to really squeeze myself and spring all the way to the finishing line, I don't know whether my business will still be around today. I have done the other part before whereby like the first few years of my life, I was definitely hustling and pressing and working hard, you know, doing the 18 hours kind of stuff every day and things like that. Yeah, so I think for me was that, I think it's very interesting that when I speak to women who yearns to get out of the red race, like in the corporate world or having that time flexibility for the family, for themselves and for the children, I realized that the first thing they jumped to when I asked them, would you consider building a business? It would be that I have no time. So it's a very interesting statement then because already with that sentence, it really comes to the thought that there must be certain sacrifices to be made because usually for this woman, what I've noticed is that after saying they have no time, they will say that, yeah, my family and my work keeps me very busy. So I'm always curious because I'm just wondering like, what were their assumptions behind that? You can, especially right now in the social selling world, especially right now when you can use social media to build your business, to build your presence, right? It can, you can take it as slow or as fast as you want. But the most important thing I feel is to create a journey that you enjoy. Yeah. Yeah, that's really, really good. Yes, and the journey that's enjoyable is one that we're more likely to keep going on, right? Like the journey that's enjoyable is one where it brings out the best in us. Like if we're not enjoying it, we're probably not going to treat ourselves well, number one, our self-care, but also we won't treat the people around us as well as we could if we were enjoying it because then with the enjoyment comes more of, more creativity, more, I thought I could just say love for other people and people can sense that, you know, people. So, okay, I think this is important to talk about given that a lot of the women that you work with are building their business on the side, right? Like they're not going into business. Some people are lucky to be able to say, all the time, I have 40 hours a week to build my business. Most of them are just trying to squeeze out a few hours a week, right? So because you have so much experience with that and you're also a busy mother, what is any advice or any perspective about how do we find that time? So what is your advice when someone says, oh, I would like to have my own business, but oh, I would like to grow my own business, but I'm just so busy being a mom or caretaking for others or being at work and I come home tired. So how do we squeeze out some time? Well, I think that the first thing when I ask people to find the time, right, is really to have that daily schedule around them and have them to invite in, okay, the things like the non-negotiable, right? So whether you're speaking to a woman who has a full-time job or even who's a full-time homemaker, there are so much stuff women tend to be very busy with. So I get them to fill up those first, okay? Because usually there are pockets of time. It's just whether do you want to use those pockets for creating a business? Even half an hour a day is good enough. And I say that because I have been in seasons where I just gave birth to my second child, so that's my son. And in the first six months, right, he was really sick, you know? And so what happened was that and my second pregnancy has a lot of complications. I have preeclampsia. So there was a lot of medical complications around that and around my son as well. So for that one year, right, we were in a season that we don't have someone to help us to take care of our kids. It's just me and my husband full on board, 24-7 parenting with two very young kids. So it was impossible for me to even sit down for 20 minutes at my desk to work. It was really like taking my phone, say I'm nursing my kid, right? So I just text as I go. So the pockets of time can be found. We just need to be intentional about it because some of the things I've noticed, especially for moms, what we tend to do is that sometimes when we're so busy that we tend to check out quite a bit, like with social media, you know, watch our favorite Korean drama. So there are times that we check out. And I'm not saying that you forego that and you go and slog away truth. I'm just saying that why don't you just take maybe like half an hour, even 20 minutes, right? It's good to just take a little step here and there. Sometimes we just feel that this thing looks so daunting, but like how you taught us in TLC, when we break it down into tiny steps, it looks a lot more doable than, yeah. Yeah, and it's of course very helpful to have a coach or a mentor like you who's been there through all of the building of business while having really young children or just having very little time and energy that you were still able to build it successfully. And we're just really worth studying. And because sometimes I hear people saying, well, okay, I have half an hour to say 20 minutes that you said, I've got a pocket of time. But I hear people say, what can I do in 20 minutes? What can I do in half hour? Why bother? Because what's kind of impact is 20 minutes or 30 minutes going to me? So what would you say to that? What's your response when they say that? Well, what's 20, 30 minutes going to do? Okay, so I have a perfect quote for that. So the question is, how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time? And so that's how it is. It's not so much about like you pushing through and clearing through a huge chunk of work at one shot or in a short while, because I have seen people who really burn out after that, including myself, but it's really about consistency. Because as you build up that muscle of consistency and sustainability, the momentum kicks in, the result snowbound. There is a study by, okay, now it's just starting to kind of be the author. Isn't it Seth Gordon? He was talking about that, the tipping point. Okay, I probably will have misquoted him, but I think the one thing that I really found very interesting about the graph is that as so many points in that graph, we will want to give up, like this is the valley of, oh my God, there's no results. Like, okay, you're posting on social media and there's no results. There's no one engaging whatsoever. But we just don't know when that tipping point is coming about. So to me is that this one, I feel that having that pleasure in your journey before you got the results that you wanted, it's so important to have that to cheer you on and to have you carry on this journey as well. Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that word, that idea in, having the pleasure in the journey. So, okay, again, let's stick with a busy woman who has a half hour pocket every day, to work on her business. What does it mean to bring pleasure to that half hour pocket to build her business? So if you want to give any specific examples, so let's say, you know, let's say one of your mentees has a half hour later today, what would you advise her to do in that half hour and how might she bring some pleasure to it? So to me, it's that I found it's very interesting trait about my, about women, including myself. We tend, okay, this is where I feel, okay? This is where I feel that men in this aspect is smarter than us about, so sorry movement, but that's why I feel, and the fact was that, and the fact was that we tend to make things a lot harder for ourselves. Yeah, then we should, you know? And I give you an example, okay? Recently, I had one of my Dubai team members, she came to me and said, hey, you know, I want to look at building the young women business and like, great, okay? And she was like, okay, I'm gonna talk to some enrichment centers for advertisements about the young women products and whatsoever. And then she went, do we have this adverts? Can we shoot stuff? And I'm like, no, what you should do is that go to the company, pull out the existing videos they have, because those have already been professionally done and it will apply. I mean, it's an easier way out, saves you so much time. So generally these days, when I work my business, I ask myself the question, how can I create more ease for myself? And I love the one that you also taught us as well, which is, how can you half ass away through? Cause I often half ass away through right now. And I think that for women, maybe we feel that we needed to show up in work, like work hard, show your worth, but sometimes it can be as easeful as asking for help, asking for opinions, asking for resource, asking for network, rather than trying to pull that out from yourself first. Yeah. That's so great to hear you say that. And yes, I believe very much in half assing our weight group, because that's usually how I've reached the success of my business too. And I think that's very interesting. You said that there's the women and men. And of course, I just wanna say, we all have feminine aspects within ourselves. We all have masculine aspects, right? And some women have a harder time or easier time with this. And some men also the same thing. But there is something about the feminine, which I think it's to me, here's how I interpret it. I think the feminine cares for the whole more, cares for the holistically more. And so because of the care, they see more connections or they feel more connections. And so therefore it feels a higher stake and they have to do it more perfectly. Whereas men are like kind of dumb and go, oh, I'm just gonna, oh, this must be easy. I just do it the easy way. Or the masculine is much more like direct and just like almost like a bowl in a china shop, just crashing through kind of situation. So I agree it is to be aware of that feminine or masculine tendency. And when we have the half hour pocket, we just kind of need to half-ass it or at least to find it, just like you said, find the ease, find the fun or ask for help and yeah. So this is really good. So another thing I want you to talk about is using the same situation, the woman with the half hour pocket of time, say, okay, yeah, faith, I am gonna do some outreach. I'm gonna do it, but faith, I don't feel I have confidence of doing it or I'm not motivated to do it right now. So maybe I'll wait till later and maybe motivated later or maybe later I'll feel more confident. Maybe I'll, let me go get some more training, maybe get the certification, that certification. Then I will be more confident to put myself out there. What is your thought on that? There is nothing like taking action towards your goal that instills and grows even more confidence, okay? And I say that because I have been in places, especially early on in my business where I was terrible at showing up on live video, I started my way through in classes, I had done things like poor lighting, not being audible and being so serious that it scared people on the screen, okay? So I've been through that and I think that I realized that the mere act of putting myself out there to do this stuff and getting, and having patience and compassion for myself to get to mastery, like right now we're asking to come, come and say, can you jump on board right now in this one hour to teach? I can, because I've done so much of this and basically just blotched my ratio to here that confidence is like, I don't need that. I don't need that. I don't need motivation to get there. I love what one of my favorite authors say. So her name is Sark, S-A-R-K, Susan Arre, Rainbow Kennedy and she actually created this thing called Tiny Movements. And she was like, could you just do something around your dreams, just two minutes a day? So she gave me an example of like saying, let's say I need to clean up my cupboard behind me, it's a huge mess inside. And to put the slide two hours to clean up feels very daunting. So the first thing you do is that on the first day, you open the cupboard bowl. The second day, you go to the cupboard and you see, oh, it's all my stuff there. The third day, take out two things to show. These are small things, they're so small, these steps and it's easy, everyone can do it. And I think that in terms of growing a business, it can be about that. When we talk about confidence and motivation, right? It's not sustainable emotion. It's something that e-apps and flow, sometimes confidence and motivations comes from external environment. Like someone tells you, oh, good job, you did so well with that. Or that you feel great about what you did. But it's not something that is constantly there. It counts and it goes, it counts and it goes. But for us to have the results that we wanted, consistency is a lot more important over here. Yeah. Yeah, thank you for people. I hope you'll watch this again because there's a lot of nuggets in this short interview. Yes, I totally agree with you that I too, you know, people look at me and they look at my videos and they say, oh, George has all the confidence and motivation in me. Look, he shows up consistently. He must be motivated and confident all the time. And I have to remind people, whenever I click go live on Facebook to make my weekly videos, that moment I am almost certainly not confident and not motivated. But I know myself by now, that if I just click go live and start talking, that's probably usually three to five minutes later. I feel okay enough to keep going. It takes me, and same thing with my writing, same thing, I don't feel confident and motivated to write. That's been one of my hardest lifetime lessons because I started learning English when I was in my formative years, when I was Chinese. Anyway, so it's like I learned to be traumatized by writing early on. And every time I write, I still don't enjoy the first 15, I still, I'm not motivated, I'm not confident in the first 15 minutes, but I just keep trying, I try. I love your example. Oh, open the closet one day, you know? Next day, look at the items, you know? I think it's brilliant. And the same thing with my writing. I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna write an award-winning essay. I'm just going to open a blank document. Okay, I could do that. Okay, next thing, I will just write one thing about the topic. Doesn't have to, one crappy thing about the topic. Just one sentence, it's okay. Or whatever, it doesn't have to be sense. One thing. Okay, let me write one more thing. And it just keeps going like, oh, I have one more thing I could say, maybe. Okay, so this is, yeah, I appreciate that you're sharing this message. So as we start to conclude, I also want to ask you about when, okay, same idea, the woman who has little time, she's building her business, it's still not to the place where she wants it to be. Okay? So how do we stay encouraged to keep going when we're just, especially when we're just starting? Now, some people who are watching are just starting and some people watching this are somewhere in the middle, but they still are, they have a big dream. Maybe they see the very successful people like you, Faith. Oh, look, it's so wonderful to have a six-figure business, but I'm not very far from it, it feels. How do we stay encouraged? How do we keep going? I think one thing that I found really helpful in this is that it's also something that I'm learning from you as well, and I'm doing this like every Sunday. What's it do a weekly review? So my weekly review has been very simple. It's just basically first thing, one of some of the things that I'm celebrating about for the week that has just passed. The next one is that, okay, got some stuff that I can see that is coming out for me is growthful areas for me, areas that I can choose to grow into. And the last thing is that what is my affirmation or my intention for the coming up with, like it can be just a word, it can be a sentence to anchor myself to that. And the reason why I talk about this is because, typically I find that we are very hard on ourselves. So often the things that we do do, we go like, it's just a small thing, nothing worth mentioning, but it is something worth celebrating. And I learned that from my husband when he realized that I was so hard on myself in the early part of my business. Like if I didn't get to my goal, to my certain rank with certain timeframe, I get really hard on myself and I start to dash myself up repeatedly for what I did not do well. And he was like, but wait a minute, you haven't seen what you have done so well. You haven't do that. And the thing is that if I don't practice that, my kids will not practice that because they see the mom doing that, neither will my team members too, because that creates a certain kind of culture, right? So to me, it's like, I actually invite every single entrepreneur out there, if you are feeling discouraged, if you're feeling that, nah, I'm not there yet, you know, sit down, write down three things. What's three things that you've done that's worth celebrating? And even the stuff, right, it's not in the business achievement, maybe it's in your fitness, maybe it's in your parenting life, your family life, write it down, because everything is together. You, we can't, I mean, much as we like to, but I don't think we can actually say this is business and it's segmented so much away from the rest of my life. Yeah. Yeah, I totally agree. It's a sense of fulfillment and sort of like personal empowerment that just like you said, when we do the things that you mentioned, we increase that feeling within us, the feeling of, yes, look, I can do something. I'm contributing, you know, and that feeling spills out into the rest of our life too. I so appreciate that exercise. It's very good. Well, let's talk a little bit about your coaching. Some people watching this would be like, oh my gosh, I would love to have faith as a coach. You know, she understands what it's like to have little time and to do without the hustle mentality of work until our eyes bleed or something like that. So someone who wants to work with someone like you who brings joy and fun into business and to do it in very doable ways, how do you enjoy working with clients? Or maybe I could ask you, what is the ideal type of client that should contact you? Okay, so for me, right, after going through my journey of burnout and everything, I'm very passionate about reaching out to like-minded women out there. So if you're a woman who is like, you could be starting a business or even the midst of it and you're feeling discouraged over wealth or you're being through a series of setbacks, burnout or so, and you're just thinking, where can you go from here? You're feeling stuck. You feel like giving up. I would strongly encourage you to reach out to me. So my Instagram handle is faith at flow, faith in flow and on Instagram. So reach out to me that, I mean, just dropping me a simple DM and we can always have a chat. To me, I'm just feeling that this is an age where I think for us women to kind of like, to stand in their own power. And I truly believe that entrepreneurship is one way that we can do that actually. So I would love to connect you there. Thank you for that. I will of course put the link to the Instagram, your Instagram profile below the video. And let me ask you one more question and then we can end. So let's say some, well, first of all, if someone interested, they'll direct message you, but let's say they get started working with you as a client. Give us a little bit of a picture on what you would start to work with them on. I know it depends on the person, of course, but anything you find important to start with and then, you know, or what kind of technique do you use that kind of thing to share? Okay, so professionally in terms of my certification background, I am certified as a master practitioner in neuro linguistic programming. I'm also certified as the neuro linguistic enneagram practitioner as well. So I am trained in terms of using the enneagram as a diagnostic tool. I basically use quite a few tools and it depends on what the person resonates with as well. But one of the key things that I start people on is actually to look at doing the thought model because so often the actions that we take is based on a feeling that we get that is based on a thought that we have. So, and so often we are in a space that we believe our own thought. We think that they're true. They might not be true, it's just our opinion, but having a certain thought shapes the way how we feel, shapes the action we take. You can take an action where it goes like, let's say reaching out, let's say net carrying, reaching out to people on IG and creating that relationship, right? If you have a thought that goes like, oh, okay, fine, let's do it today. You know, by having that thought, what kind of feeling do you get? Of course you feel like, drag, okay, let's get that over with. Definitely the way how we reach out to people will not be something that, I mean, it could be, but I just feel that the energy would drag the action down, you know? And your words would be like, okay, let's just get it over with. I can get the next thing that's more interesting for me. But if we have, if we look at our thoughts and we pick at the one that's saying like, hmm, what if we could find someone that we really love the content about, like for a Georgetown, right? And then we go like, it is so amazing to connect through that way. So imagine when you have the thought, you're feeling what you get, you can fight men, you get like, yeah, or your curiosity. So of course the action that you take and further down the line, the result that you get would be different because your energy has shifted a bit. So that's the key thing that I also teach my clients about to do that. That is so important because that's one way to coach ourselves through situations that we have blind spots too. Yeah, then after that, what I could do is to take people through the anagram to have a deeper dive on their blind spots, how they show up when they are stressed and also like a lot of times we don't realize that when we are stressed on our alignment, we are thinking certain thoughts. But the way how we show up to people out there is very different, you know, and that cause that can create miscommunication, misunderstanding and misalignment too. So that's an interesting tool that I like to use for my clients as well. Yeah. I love that. I'm a fan of the anagram as well. I think it's a really profound tool and it's so great that you work with your clients on that. And yes, I totally agree that the thought, I love it. I love that you emphasize that in your work with clients because if we learn better, more effectively how to manage this, the rest of our life changes. And that's like the highest leverage benefit you can bring to your clients. So thank you for that work. Well, Faith, I think people are lucky to be able to work with you. And I hope anyone who's watching this feels connected to what Faith is saying and reach out before while Faith is still available. So, you know, check out the links below and Faith, thank you. Thanks for the work that you do. Thanks for having me here. Thank you.