 It's time for the Lawn Jean Chronoscope, a television journal of the important issues of the hour brought to you every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. A presentation of the Lawn Jean Wittner Watch Company, maker of Lawn Jean, the world's most honored watch, and Wittner, distinguished companion to the world-honored Lawn Jean. Good evening. This is Frank Knight. May I introduce our co-editors for this edition of the Lawn Jean Chronoscope? Mr. William Bradford Huey, editor of the American Mercury, and Mr. Donald I. Rogers, an editor of the New York Herald Tribune. Our distinguished guest for this evening is the Honorable Joseph R. McCarthy, United States Senator from Wisconsin. The opinions expressed are necessarily those of the speakers. Senator McCarthy are probably the most controversial figure on the American political scene. McCarthy and McCarthyism are well-known words. I'm sure our audience is very much interested in your political career, so suppose we start right out, sir. Tell us about the campaign in Wisconsin. You're running for reelection, I believe. I can't tell you too much about it, Mr. Rogers, except I heard that a new man announced today. It will be a tough, close contest, I think, in the primary. In the primary? Yes. A Republican opponent. I've got three or four Republican opponents, and I heard now, and I hope that I'm correct in this, I heard that a new man, Landish Schmidt, announced today. This is the man who ran for governor, is it not? He ran for governor two years ago and ran up a sizable vote. If Mr. Schmidt... An effective campaigner, yes. He is an effective campaigner, and you regard Mr. Schmidt, if he's running, as your perhaps most dangerous opponent. I wouldn't want to insult the other young men who are running by saying they were not dangerous. I see, and then you say that the primary fight will be serious. What kind of primary do you have? Is it an open primary to both Democrats and Republicans vote in the Republican primary? Yes, we have an unusual situation in Wisconsin, Mr. Hueing. The Democrats can all vote in the Republican primary if they care to, and the Republicans, of course, could vote in the Democratic primary if they cared to. That means that if the Democrats could induce enough of their Democrats to come over in the Republican primary and vote against me, it could make it very rough. Could it be dangerous for McCarthyism, couldn't it? Well, of course, I should say that I think that's, I would get about as many Democrat votes out there as any other candidate. We get some awfully good Democrats in Wisconsin. Is this going to be one of those campaigns that considerable amounts of money will be spent from outside the state? Do you expect the money will be spent there, sent into Wisconsin to try to help defeat you? There is a fortune being sent into Wisconsin already. In fact, I think there's been more campaign literature put out by my opposition up to this time than there normally has been during an entire campaign. On top of that, in addition to that, I should say, there's a book coming out being written by one of Drew Pearson's man, the man from the New York Post. Originally, they were going to call it the Harry Ape or the Missing Link. I guess the new name they have for it is the Senator and the Ism or something like that. It'll be all the usual smear by any one. It's going to be an unpleasant campaign. Well, speaking of support from out of the state, you have been supported or endorsed by such gentlemen as Gerald L.K. Smith and Upton Close. Do you accept their support? Do you welcome it? I don't think I have been endorsed or supported by Gerald Smith or Upton Close. Not that I know of. Let me say this. I am not going to pass upon any man, no matter what his reputation is. I know certain men have reputations of being anti-Semitic. I'm sure that no one can point to anything in my background to show that I am anti any particular group. None of my votes, nothing else. I have here, Senator McCarthy, a publication called Headlines and What's Behind Them. Another publication called Conspiracy, the Philip Drew case. Are you familiar with these? Not with the publication, Mr. Rogers. They mention your name in here endorsing you. And they also mention that General Eisenhower is part of a Semitic plot to overthrow the world. It's part of the literature that's circulating about. Do you know about these publications? No, I don't. May I say that Eisenhower or Taft has nominated it. In either event, I think we'll have a good nominee. And by saying Eisenhower or Taft, I don't want to exclude the possibility of another great American like General MacArthur or some other good candidates. But I'm not at all disturbed about the Americanism, the loyalty of any of the front-running candidates we have. I think they're good Americans. I think they're good Republicans, too. On the national stage? May I say that any publication which intimates that there's anything un-American, any of our front-running candidates is mistaken, putting it mildly. All of our candidates, in your opinion, are solid American gentlemen. All of those front-running candidates, all of those that have been mentioned in connection with the... These publications which endorse you and oppose General Eisenhower, you do not believe should be circulated, do you? I don't know what's in that publication, Mr. Rogers. All I can say is that I've been taking no part in the presidential race. I've been fully satisfied that regardless of which one of the men are nominated, he'll be a good candidate. We've got a bunch of good delegates at Chicago, good Americans. I won't be afraid to support him to the hilt. I intend to do that regardless of who's nominated on the Republican ticket. Well, Senator, speaking of campaigns, do you expect a campaign outside of Wisconsin between November? Mr. Huey, I owe some heavy obligations to other senators, men who have come to my aid when things look blackest in this fight against communism government. Some of them are in the so-called marginal states. If they think they're having difficulty in their Senate race, if they think that I can help them, I will come into their states. I may say this, that if the Republicans should take over the Senate, I happen to be the ranking member on the investigating committee. That means that McCarthy would become chairman of the Senate investigating committee. And if he does, I'll make you one promise that Leavenworth won't hold him, Mr. Huey. You're going to use the same tactics that you have used right along, sir? Oh, now, and you said the same tactics. You see, if you have a committee, the power to subpoena investigators. You don't use the same tactics you use when you have no committee, no power to subpoena. We've got to dig and root out the communists and the crooks and those who are bad for America. Where you have a committee, so that you have the power of subpoena, you can get the records. And if we have a Republican president, we'll be able to get those records, I'm sure. It will be a less spectacular fight, but much more effective. You see, it's difficult when you're all alone with the entire power of this federal bureaucracy against you. Difficult to dig them up. Even at that, you see, we have exposed, got another government, eleven of those I originally named. Some of them have been convicted, others before the grand jury, but all out of the government under the loyalty program. I know you do, too, that Mr. Lattimore has been requested not to leave the country. Well, Mr. Lattimore was not one of the eleven, because he was no longer in the government. He had been used as an advisor, but I didn't count him amongst the eleven. He's not being used any longer. You spoke of... May I say something further in answer to Mr. Rogers' comment? The State Department has been taking credit for the ban upon Lattimore's leaving the country. That is just improper, because the State Department did not initiate that ban. It was the Justice Department. The Justice Department either phoned or wrote Ms. Shepley's division and the Visa division, and said, close the Canadian borders, close the Mexican borders, close the Atlantic, close the Pacific to own Lattimore, don't let him leave the country. Is this the result of our new Attorney General? I don't know. The previous Attorney General McGrath was a good friend of mine. I'm very happy to see the new Attorney General, apparently, going about his job in a good, serious fashion. May I make just another ten seconds? If I were making predictions, I would make this prediction tonight. That is, the State Department will use every bit of power at their disposal to try and get own Lattimore out of this country within the next two or three months. You must have reasons for saying that, sir. Very good reasons, and may I suggest that you just watch what happens over the next few weeks and few months and understand why. Now, let me understand these two predictions that you've made, Senator. They sound very important to me. You are predicting for our viewers that within the next few weeks the State Department will use its influence to get Professor Lattimore outside the country. That's correct. Can you say why, sir? Frankly, I can't. I mean, I could, but for reasons which I'll explain to you after you're off the air, I just couldn't do it here tonight. You'll understand why within a matter of weeks or months. I'll call our viewers' attention to your predictions. Can you do this? Now, the other thing that I'd like to get very clear, because it sounds important, if you're elected, re-elected Senator, and if there's a Republican victory this fall, then you will be chairman of the present, what's known as the McCarran Committee, would you? No, no, not the McCarran Committee. It's now known as the Senator Huey Committee, formerly the Truman Committee. It's the Special Senate Investigating Committee. I see, and you also made the prediction that if you get control of that committee, that you expect to fill up Leavenworth and a few more of the federal prisons. Is that correct? Yes, I think, Mr. Huey, that any good American in charge of that investigating committee... Senator, there's one other... You mentioned a book, and there's one book here that we should call our viewers' attention to. It's your book that is published today, I believe. Now, in effect, what's the message of this book to the people of America, sir? Mr. Huey, if we call that book McCarthyism, the Fight for America, it is a carefully documented history of the fight to expose communists, bad security risks, and the dupes and stooches of the Kremlin who have been and still are in our federal government. Well, Senator... May I say this also, if we have good... I'm sorry that our time is up. I'm sorry. I'm sure that our viewers have appreciated your very forthright views, and thank you for being with us, sir. Thank you. The editorial board for this edition of the Laun Jean Chronoscope was Mr. William Bradford Huey and Mr. Donald I. Rogers. Our distinguished guest was the Honorable Joseph R. McCarthy, United States Senator from Wisconsin. The United States Olympic Committee has chosen Laun Jean Watchers to time all events for the selection of the United States Olympic team of 1952. 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