 So because now my you know, all the video gets moved around and When you talk your video gets larger Yeah, it's a little bit smaller and It should be Well gentlemen really quick let's we'll continue the conversation, but we're we're out here. We're live So we're out on Facebook. We get the watch party. That's happening over in the office 365 community So if anybody joins us, and we've got a couple folks a mr. Michael grath. Hello But feel free if you have any questions Michael if you'd like to join join the panel Let me know comment and in Facebook and I'll send you the invite That's true, but we're just gonna go through and we're this is the ask me anything format and And That was interesting. Yeah, what I didn't know what I'm working. Yeah Oh, just I don't know it just I Clicked on I clicked on a switch camera. There's like devices being added or something strange This is probably the wrong time to start learning about the new future. Yeah I'm just saying, you know, I'm just gonna click around here and see what happens. It's fine. It's all good All right, so Hal should be here or not he'll eventually jump in Going so how are you gentlemen doing? Pretty well. It's a nice weekend Sean did you recover from Friday? How many donuts did you eat? Enough to keep me going. Yeah Friday was a rough day. I had some stuff that Needed to be delivered and I was up late working on it and the donuts got me through Just another donut success story, you know, yeah, absolutely. I mean, they're they're a super food. I Heard I've heard that like just now as you said Yeah, really use that that phrase, you know, I've heard that Well, you know what they say, I mean they that people in the room with me Yeah Speaking of teams. Yes Yeah, you were talking about the meat now capabilities Yeah, so it's just a it's weird how it changes a video now I'm down in the lower and when I'm looking at my screen now I'm down in the lower right hand corner like really really really small right and there's a little camera icon now You click that and I guess it just goes through all of your available cameras Yeah Yeah, but now when you're talking like when Christian talks his screen gets a lot bigger and you guys get smaller and You know, John if you speak up your screen you grow and Christian shrinks. It's just it's really weird I mean Interesting So like, you know, you can just pin my video and I can always be larger than life on your screen. So yeah, yeah, no It's a suggestion, yeah But I will tell you that I got an invite this morning And this is available to folks who if anybody here is involved in previews private now Sean you just got Anyways Anybody that's availed that is in private previews with Microsoft which you can obviously get into as a company through collaborate or You know, if you're not an MVP if you're a customer that has a What do they call them the premium support agreements or whatever they can get into private previews? Anyways, it's insider and office. Yeah, insider. Yeah. Yeah Azure Sentinel now has a teams connector that they're private previewing So it's gonna be interesting to be able to have teams actually You know, bring the logs from teams into Sentinel and be able to digest that information and look at, you know all the specifics of what is being captured inside of teams from people joining and leaving and details about convert, you know Avail bandwidth and and all this other kind of stuff. It's ingesting all of that data Hey, Michael. So we've got a couple dozen people watching on the live stream. They may not know what Sentinel is Why don't you give kind of a quick overview? Yeah, sure. So Azure Sentinel is you know, pretty much kind of like a product a scene product that allows for you to ingest security information or log information and You can go out and you can query that log information for specific events and Kind of like, you know, create Dashboards and nice for the, you know, the folks that like pretty graphs and drawings and things like that You have the ability to bring all yeah, yeah, you have the ability to bring all that in into a centralized location Azure created that kind of like a splunk in the cloud if you will a little bit And but it goes much further than that with playbooks and and other things that you can do And what it's hooked into now is connectors. It can hook into Office 365. It can hook in a SharePoint OneDrive and now in private preview as teams. So Sounds like Skynet Yeah Yeah, it integrates right into the OMS which is the you know, the old OMS which is a log analytics workspaces in Azure now so collecting all the data You know in Azure, that's where it's going You've got a question here from the from the live stream Tom is asking what are the best practices to secure every facet of 365? So permissions two-factor authentication access to features, etc. Oh, that's that's a big question And I think he's assuming it was a big question He's like hire a specialist when people go into SharePoint site They have a lot of permissions. I'm not sure how to lock it all down I the only thing I'm gonna say you guys are smarter than that smarter than me on that But when you're talking about O365 and Azure Policy rules at all. So that's all I'm gonna say is that I always implement policies around Permissions and and our back and sharing and all that. So yeah, if you're if If you've got the money, it would be probably well spent to find somebody who could help you with that You know the attack surface for office 365 Microsoft 365 is changing all the time So different things open up other things close somebody who tracks that as part of their job is gonna be better informed to Close those things down for you or help you close those things down if you're interested in the DIY approach go out to Microsoft Docs and start reading and prepare to bleed from the eyes We have a separate security center now that's pretty elaborate from what I saw I mean, I don't go into the admin of 365 much just because that's you know, I haven't really had a reason to in a while but I guess, you know, you have a separate area now for all of your exchange Permissions you have a SharePoint admin site. You still have those separate admin sites. Is that right? Right, and it'll redirect you in between them if there's something you need to do whether it happens in the They workload specific like the teams or the SharePoint console versus the yeah Security console. Yeah Well, I'm sorry MFA used to be kind of a convoluted There used to be a really weird way to set that up where you'd have to go into a user enable MFA But then you'd have to go into a MFA admin portal You still have to do all that kind of stuff, you know, I haven't tried turning MFA on for a while now I set it up way back before we got the kind of the unification of the consoles And that was my experience Mike is what you're describing. I don't know what it is right now though I have to take a look at that Pull up a browser Because I know it was separate from Azure Active Directory that was always a point that I was making is I didn't know why they didn't come combine the two because 365 back-end is Azure Active Directory But they always kept that they always kept that separate for some reason. I don't know why but yeah What's various degrees of success or varying degrees of success? Yeah, and I think we started started say look it's a it's a big thing to say, you know Securing Microsoft 365 and everything that that Includes I mean when there are solutions that are workload specific. So like we've got you know, Sean and I have Background in this area in the SharePoint space. There's we've both worked for ISVs and were acquired by the same other ISV and So we just had a lot of this a lot of experience Depending on what your your needs are what you're talking about security then again a lot of the the tools that are out there and the big names in the space App point and quest and share gate and dozens of other smaller ones that do different Aspects of the management. So there's just a lot of options out there And there's also as Sean said you can go and do a lot of reading There's more and more that can be done by the it pro using PowerShell But you need to go and learn about all that stuff figure out what you can do what works best for you Having that you know that that package solution that automates a lot of that a lot of it's the same underlying API is it drive the third-party tools as you would go and do for yourself just Do you want to go and spend your time learning and maintaining that knowledge and managing that stuff manually? Or do you want to have a Tool that can automate a lot of that so it just really depends on your needs so Mike I'm looking at the I Started out with office 365 Admin looking at my user and I didn't see anything with MFA. I went over to Azure Active Directory and When I pull up my user object in a D. I'm seeing you know MFA options Right, but in I'm wondering if they still have that secondary one where and I it doesn't even look like an office 365 or an Azure Web screen, it's all white with blue blue text. It's almost like your when you log into your Microsoft ID account You have all these settings You know where you can do your subscriptions and all this other kind of stuff, which is separate from Azure or whole 365 So I just have to it's something I'd have to look into again But I just remember it being kind of convoluted where you had to go to two different places to actually make it work Yeah, the the Grand unification of everything is not a seamless procedure They're getting there, but and we're definitely much better off now than we were you know two three years ago Yeah, you know back then everything was a silo We're hopping around all over the place. They didn't even back then You didn't even have the benefit of a link that would go to the other admin center to the relevant portion But now, you know, we've got if it's not in the real The admin center that you're in typically it's it's linked out to the right one So yep, they're doing better about that. You know, there's a couple questions that are kind of aligned with this question Yesterday Clifford asked the question about backups. We talked about this. So last week or two weeks ago We talked about backups two weeks ago. I think yes So what's my options for dealing with 365 backups both on personal and company 365? So let me ask the question is I did a lot of work with this about two years ago when there was a company that creates backup software was coming out with a 365 product And the focus was around the conversations that we were having was around What did they actually want to back up? Okay, so are you backing up mailboxes? Well, okay, that's you know, that's one thing But are you also backing up one drive? Which are you when you back up one drive? Are you backing up all of your one note notebooks all of your SharePoint? libraries You know, we get into a lot of different conversations about exactly what you're backing up And I remember having a conversation with a Microsoft PM Because I ideal a lot on the storage side and it was a conversation around how much storage would a person use if they were You know pulling down their old 365 data How much of that data if they were doing though just their mailbox if they so on and so forth anyways It got to a thing where they were like, you know what? See we're not even talking about how much data is being pulled down But it's it's the amount of data that's going through the pipe Right because they're pulling data away from the cloud and that incurs a cost Putting data up into the cloud incurs no cost But pulling data down you get a cost. That's you know, that's a egress cost So you have to be really careful about what you want to back up and where you're backing it up, too If you're going to back up cloud to cloud, it's not that big of a deal, right? Or yeah, Azure to Azure, but if you're backing up Azure to on-prem Then you're going to you know, you're going to see your bills go up a little bit and You know, there are a couple of companies out there that I've worked with one was Well beam beam created a product and that's who I was working with at the time and also Zerto Created a product back up 365. So and that was just mailboxes. That was you know rubric also does that but Then you get down to like an example of rubric is they only do mail They don't do like calendars or they don't do shared calendars or you know, they don't do they're different components You know of what they can do and then Realistically you can pull all this data down with PowerShell Then you wanted to back up you can create your own little PowerShell to pull all your data down if you really wanted to do that But You know it all depends on what data you want to you want to back up Yeah, that's like the case of sp doc kit with SharePoint The folks at syskit, you know, they put this tool together. It's wonderful documents your SharePoint farm You can get the same data with PowerShell by You know serializing all the objects in the big database to xml and dumping it out 90% of what you get out is garbage and there's no Rhymer reason you've got to know your object model to basically get anything out of it So in those cases, it's like is free really free. Oh, no You're a bound to your computer. We have the same problem with just uh, you know again saying that well, you know office 365 or microsoft 365 Um, there's automatic backup of all the solutions that you have it's online It's all in azure. It's part of the solution. It's out of the box But what are your requirements for how granular do you need that control and like kind of to your point? I mean, what are you trying to do and then of course you were just even talking about uh solution providers Like I work with spanning We're a client of mine that came from the google docs and google, you know gmet world And built a solution on top of that. You know, we're a huge vendor over in that space What built an office 365 solution? um But we're again largely on the at first on the exchange side of that the house Then added share point the collaborative capabilities have expanded and done much more And then you have companies like as I said, you have point quest share gate others that were heavy in the Collaboration, you know side of the house. It was at the av point was one of the strongest that for the backup solutions, uh, you know in general for a long time um, Sean used to work for idera um Still out there doing sequel products. They Yeah sequel performance. I think yeah, so not to be confused that the business that was the share point related was acquired by Now what is quest and uh, but anyway, so you have a bunch of those those solution providers that each have their strengths um and can have much more I mean Not an expert on backup in azure and what's happening in office 365. Sorry microsoft 365 um Going ensuring, you know, what is what's provided out of the box? What's there? How granular do you need that to be it's going to dictate then what tools whether you're doing on yourself yourself or these other third-party tools And then I know I i'm sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. I was done. I was just gonna say I know what the It also depends on the subscription because I know with e5s Um, you have the ability to actually extract data Um, I mean with e3s, you can do legal holds and stuff like that But with e5s, I guess you can actually extract the data, you know and bring it down bring it out of the cloud Uh, uh mic microsoft has a mechanism to do that um, but I've never used it um and The thing that I remember, uh, really well was like gosh, it's had to be four or five years ago at ignite Mark mark rosenovich set up on stage and he was talking about how azure controls Is a control plane for 365 and so on and so forth And uh, he mentioned that he said, you know, we you know, I get people that ask me Um, why can't you know, where is my data? In you know in 365 and when I need that data, where can I get it? You know, how do I get it and he's like people just don't don't aren't getting the concept that And I I I don't remember his exact words, but he talked about not getting the concept that when your data is up in the cloud It's not in one place It's in many many multiple places at a single time So In it's logical places. It's not physical. It's not like it's sitting on a physical drive somewhere It's logical. So he said your data is dispersed amongst three data centers You know within a region It may be sitting on a part of it your mailbox is sitting over here and your calendar is sitting over here and And it's hard for people who are in a data center frame of mind To grasp that, you know, it was in this is a couple, you know, four or five years ago But it was really difficult for them to understand that and and put that wrap their heads around it So when they asked that hey, how do I back up 365? It's kind of like you're looking at it going Your data is all over the place You gotta, you know, reining that in You know, you're talking about it could be a very large amount of data Well, I mean google as an example If you go to google and you download you can download your all of your history and photos and everything from google But it takes all day for me to do that I mean literally the amount of data that they collect they put in these little Two gig zip files and I get like a report that I've got 32 gig zip files to download It's just it's it's crazy and then you open them up and it's like a lot of it makes no sense Like you were saying Sean it's it's it comes across like well, what is this? I mean, there's a telemetry data from you know using maps, you know and stuff like that. It's just it's crazy It's crazy insane It's a mad mad world I guess don't know that movie reference. Yeah Weird science Sean another classic important 80s film Yeah, I know crazy insane. All right. Um, hey another question here Moe asks in my team's apps. I don't find download attendance list. What is the process? I don't think there is no process. I don't think you can do that. Correct. Yeah That's a security as a security thing. I think Yeah, there's um and moe this is that there's a Conversation going on and I don't know what the roadmap is for a lot of the Kind of traditional third-party webinar software versus teams and it's the difference between Teams it's it's more of an enterprise solution. It's not more of it's designed to be an enterprise collaboration Uh experienced So you largely know who the people are that you're inviting in you're inviting them in from your gal from your Your email-based meeting invite that's hosted in teams Therefore you have that list there the the hand the handful of Anonymous people that might be participating you still know who they are to invite them in That's the general idea of that whereas a webinar They may all be anonymous you may not know who anybody is and so that's why I have a front end registration process for that Um Or if it's all anonymous and they're listed as anonymous you don't care to collect that information You just want participants in that that webinar So now having said all that there is a laundry list of requests that are out on user voice And just out in the big social communities Asking for things like this and microsoft I know is working on a number of these kinds of features And this one specifically I saw that it was asked But I don't know what the roadmap is. I don't know how they're prioritizing these things or whether they Are planning to even build that that feature. So you'll need to do unless someone here in the panel Um notes more about it No Until that comes along how fast is your print screen finger? Well and that came up on a user group thing because I had people that were asking me You know, I run a little cloud user group and The you know, we want to do a sponsor thing, right the sponsors are saying well for rly We want the attendee list. I'm going. I really don't have one And I'm not going to give it to you anyways So if you're in the call go ahead and screenshot the names if you want but It's not going to give you an email addresses or anything like that. That's you know, I'm I just not I can't do it Unless I do a webinar, which I would never do a user group as a webinar anyways so Well, it's it I mean, it's interesting again like I said, it's a it's a difference between The the intent the purpose of different technologies um, I know that You know given uh, you know the the the work from home, uh, your needs globally that it has Dramatically sped up the schedule a delivery of some of these new capabilities And microsoft is also recognizing that to hit that the broader need of the way organizations work and we we did talk about this last week Especially in the way that a lot of the education sector are using or need to use the technology Some of these features like that kind of reporting to to be able to go in there and show who was In there, uh, what they were doing whether they were productive whether they're participating Things like that being able to download his reports again. That's fairly standard I'm using go to meeting or zoom or some of these other webinar based technologies Are things that people want to see inside of teams. So they're they're talking about these things and uh, so hopefully we'll have uh, you know an update on some of this because You know, it's like we just had so we have going on right now the galactic summit. It's going on today Is it tomorrow? I was tomorrow. Yeah, I got that wrong Yeah, so that you've got the galactic summit coming up and they're up like 10 000 so far of Registrations or 12 something crazy. I know huge. Um, you've got global con that's coming up. Um, next week Right, you've got that. That's right. That's just next week. Yeah Stuff to finish for that And an ebook an ebook to finish Um, but the uh, you've got those events and then we just had the virtual marathon you had build Um, you've got inspire ignite So a lot of events that are coming up that are all leveraging teams So microsoft realizes that you know the shortcomings of the platform today At what needs to be there because I think going forward the reality is Most organizations are going to be doing you may not be doing a public facing You know multi-day event like these Um, but more and more organizations are going to be doing multiple Streams or multiple You know sessions going on concurrently and are going to be doing training and even internal Events using this technology and so it benefits microsoft to go and build in some of this stuff All right, I guess i'm done soap boxing on that And you had mentioned uh user boys I mean you guys go out there quite a bit and take a look at that material that's out there I only go out as needed Yeah me when some there's a conversation and somebody talks about a feature And I'll be like, yeah, you know, we really need that and I'll go and vote then so that which really I guess the lesson to be learned there is be proactive if you post something to it Share it out through social because a lot of people won't go there unless You're you're elected right Yeah I was gonna say I was gonna say because I just took a quick glance out on user voice And one of the things I noticed is like around the office 365 general It you literally have I mean What i'm seeing and I've noticed that on on the azure user voice as well is that the microsoft folks have been It kind of backed off on being you know responsive on user voice And I don't know because I had heard that user voice was going away at one point and they were going to another another avenue you know Getting information The dogs don't like that statement Mike. Yeah, I'm sorry. I have a I have a delivery driver at my door I've kind of heard the opposite Surprisingly enough. I mean I don't I'm not one who visits user voice a great deal Um, it is kind of important in the department of outlook department because they've doing a lot of changing and so forth And a lot of things are coming and going and they wind up on user voice I'll give you a good example of that they They just uh did a small scale pilot on outlook.com where they have added a news tab They're taking the msn news Feature off of edge browser and that they've stuffed it in as a tab on outlook.com And it's only the only the web version that you see this on it is a limited Only just a span full of people but That immediately prompted the user voice article because a people don't like it and b they want to turn it off and they can't because it's a quick limited test feature so Uh, it gets a lot of play a lot of recommendations at least from the outlook pms are you know We pay attention to this. Uh, please have people put stuff out there. So, you know, nothing nothing's Nothing's first community, uh, uh response then Um, not telling people about a change changing your the ui for a test for a brief day and then having it disappear again You know Like our last mvp call talking about rolling something on real fast on a very aggressive timeline And everybody the mvp's for the record. I can't talk about it But mvps are like, whoa, you're gonna really rile up people if you try and do it on that timeline. So Yeah, it's it's been good to see that uh And microsoft has listened to a lot of that feedback from time to time not not always um Now now obviously microsoft sometimes says look there's reasons why we go and do something without Um, I know without telling people or you know without that that notification Because it needs to be done. They need to learn from it They need data to be able to go and make a decision on something or it fills a gaping hole and security or whatever it is you know, um You know things on user voice that are like 7 000 votes Yeah, you know 10 000 votes and you get no response Well, that's the thing is though, but in user voice it's it's it's like what five or ten Upvotes for microsoft to review it. I don't know what the number is for them to officially respond to that But all it takes is I mean again nominal, you know five ten people upvotes on it for them to actually look at it The the what's hard for people to understand is just because it happens a lot a lot of votes Does it mean one that microsoft agrees with the feature or two that it can be done? You know, and so there's there is a huge Disconnect with I think most people who think Because it's at the top of the list of votes Therefore microsoft must do it and it's the main priority and I and I don't I don't believe that You know that they must do it, but I'm I guess I'm more of the have the communication right So if you're a senior p.m. Or a p.m. On a product and you have something that has 7 000 votes Just putting a blurb in there like hey great suggestion. We're looking into it You know something except there's just there's radio silence. There's not I see a lot of those out there though They'll say we're reviewing it. I mean a lot of people if you're not familiar with the creation of products product management products have a road map And it goes out for six months to years And you may request a feature that Is not compatible with that road map And if it's something that people really want, I suspect that you know a good product manager will look at it and say Can we do this and still maintain Fidelity to what we were trying to do But it just because it's a lot of votes does not mean it's going to get in the product. I get it right, yeah And it does you reporting out a lot of it may not even be possible to be but They've done a couple of things that people have objected to and it's like yeah fix this and it's well No, we really want to change that we got to go back and rebuild something that was built 10 years ago and To really do it right and we don't know if we really want to visit that or not Right. Yeah, that's just my nature as I would You know if I if I was in that position, I would be like you know, hey Just a simple line of communication saying Hey, you know, it's something we're looking at or it's not part of a road map. It's something like that That's just me, you know You know, it just makes me think of the story to tell real short stories Like but I had a years ago living in Northern California. We had a swimming pool put in And we had this these guys were recommended and he even told us he said we signed the paperwork He said just so you know, it's like we're gonna be here tomorrow and dig a hole And you're gonna love us for a few days. You're gonna hate us for three months And then you're gonna love us at the end And they showed up the next day They ripped up the backyard dug a giant hole and then we didn't see him again for like three weeks Or more before the next thing and it was painfully slow And at the end of the the entire process long story short is You know beautiful custom pool loved it and he said hey, we'd love if you could recommend us to anybody I'm like, I can't recommend you It says what do you mean? I thought I thought you were happy. I said, oh, I love the pool Like you guys do really good work. I said but your bedside manner was atrocious I said look I was at the time was working as a project manager I said you never returned any phone calls Yeah, never And just to randomly show up and sometimes I actually had to fix problems where like Guys showed up to start pouring the patio before the gas line went in in the ground Like I had to fix that that issue. I just happened to be working from home But I said, you know, sometimes not having information and reporting on look, there's no new information That kind of update is better than not saying anything. Yeah, it's a valuable function. Yeah Anyway, hey Harjeet, are you there? We he joined partially Yep Maybe he just is being shy right now, but we got another mvp on. Hey, there is another question Um Hoan says seems like the the seems the share point add-in in microsoft teams Cannot use a library link from share point server on prem But only share point library in the cloud is this right? so, all right, so I think uh talking about, um The out-of-the-box share point link of what's what So I believe that it's true that the default I did go and check here But the default is true that it's looking at the share point online libraries to go and share However, if you have a you know a web link you can add as a website tab Um, you can go and add any share point, you know, list or library as a tab So what's what the out-of-the-box experience? And I don't know if one of you guys can confirm that but if you go and add a new tab into teams Um, I'm of course sharing my entire screen So I'd be showing you more than I'd like by uh by jumping over in this view Um, but the default experience with the share point app Is that it searches through those share point online, which I believe is true So of course, uh, if you add a tab a share point library whether online or on prem um Only those who have access to that Can, you know Enter that that site um So they they could click on a tab if they don't have the right permissions to get in that library It'll prompt them to request that it'll tell them that they can't get access Um, but I think that's the that's the case and it is by design for those On-prem or legacy SharePoint sites So you could add it just instead of the share point tab Add it as a website And add the link the direct the permalink to that library or list Yeah Trying to add a share point document library. Is he trying to add it to an on prem? SharePoint, no, so you're using teams, which is online Right, and so the default experience that you can navigate to find that share point site by default It's all share point online, right? So yeah, so in that default experience, there is no way to navigate just to your on prem um, you could you have to go into the on prem SharePoint grab the url for that list or library and then add that to a website tab Which essentially does the same thing? um, but You know, obviously it's just treating it like any other website Yeah, but there's a cautionary note here, which is first of all That'll have to be exposed If they're going to add it And they want to see it in share point online Because if online can't get to on prem It's not going to be able to pull data out Good it a lot of a lot of this comes down to kind of It's going to be topology dependent If your dns resolution allows you to go and get stuff and you act as the agent Or your computer acts as the agent to get the stuff out of on prem share point That's good If you have a hybrid connection or something to enable um, cloud to on prem and you can drill into your network to get it That's good, but many share point on prem installations are not exposed to the cloud And so there You'll have to be very careful And you might not have success Without making some changes in your environment. Well, if even if it's not Well people who have access to that Even if it's not exposed to the web if people have access to that it'll prompt them to log in you log in once with each instance For that tab to work, but I mean you can access your share point on prem if you have permissions Via the browser so it means Assuming your dns resolves to an internal address. Yes, okay but You know many organizations run split dns internal you've got a set of addresses and ip's that map to them Externally you have the same host names, but externally available ip's and that's how you keep them partitioned And it all depends on how the looks up lookups are going to go and where they're looking up from So It depends Yeah, and for all those reasons you think about the just in the complexity of like as shan's answer there And sorry, I was just sidetracked. I just realized that mike has yoda standing behind him Sorry sidetracked, uh, there was something shiny look a squirrel So Money money But you know the complexity of that is why there's not just a simple way to navigate through the app You know and and why it's you know that simplified instance of share point online only is that out of the box experience Which is not to say I don't know the answer Um, just so like none of us know with whether Somehow you can go and configure that To be able to access I don't believe so, but I don't know definitively I've not tried nor have I been asked to do so, so So yeah, so there's anybody else so we've got uh, we still have quite a few people that are watching the live stream So if there are any other questions we can address. Oh, yes We have to demonstrate. We didn't we didn't talk about the shirts. I love it Absolutely love it Uh, very nice and mike let's see show off your shirt today Oh, yeah Yep Yep And then hal. Yeah, I don't know if I can do this You'll have to stand up a bit. Yeah Thoracic park That's uh, that's awesome. That's the chiropractor that that thanksy And uh, that's that's his little creation Thoracic park very good very nice Uh, all right. So I'm looking to see um, so any other so feel free if you're watching the live stream If you have any other questions, let me jump over very quickly and look in the uh Let's look at that question for you christian. Yes How are we doing on this whole evaluation of teams and you know with the With with the streaming and everything. I mean, uh, we're trying something new. How's that going? Well, you know the so the problem was no, I mean, this is this is working well The the product I had was on the obs side Okay, so what I what I found is I was trying to for those that aren't familiar with the Uh, what is it open broadcasting? Software software. Yeah, open source software, which is essentially like running you can run a television station In fact, you can literally run a television station using the software is that it's very it's complex there's a lot of knobs and toggles um, and uh, and it was with my single camera my logitech Uh, and using teams It was I was running into some different problems and and I installed the latest version It suddenly it wasn't like none of the cameras were working. I couldn't figure out what it was and as you guys know I spent I don't know 20 30 hours over weeks trying to get it to work just right and I finally just uninstalled it and I uh, installed the uh, what is it the Floating down below. It's the stream labs. Oh the stream labs version of it their flavor of it I installed it and it worked out of the box the way that everybody had been talking about it So so um marked for stream labs. Yeah, now there's I mean it's slightly different What what we're what I'm doing here for those that are interested because it's actually the question has come up a number of times And on twitter and facebook where people that are asking how do I do live stream to social channels? While you know using teams Uh, and teams meetings is preferred because of this, you know being able to have the multiple, uh, You know videos in in the stream But the so the problem is that your camera can only have a it's a single use Uh device So if you're live streaming if i'm sharing my screen or i'm you know leverage the camera It couldn't do both things one would work and not the other And so that it has built into it, uh this virtual cam technology That's what made it possible now The other side of this is it's showing i'm sharing my entire monitor So I can actually pull up a browser and share things and do other stuff Over in this window But for most people that are watching the live stream on facebook or youtube or Periscope via twitter wherever we are streaming today. It's just facebook this morning You'll see just my little box down there. You guys are in teams. So you see as i'm talking You know, I take up the main you know main part of the screen um And so i'm actually recording in teams and what i'll publish to youtube later will be the teams recording Which will do all the formatting and have all of our faces up in the break a bunch style and In that thing. So it'll be slightly different. What some people do is they'll go and create Basically move the entire window over to the side and have their box over on the side. That's an obs Feature and I went in to try and set that up and it again Uh, I do the virtual cam settings I need to adjust because it nothing was working when I tried to get both of them to work And so as soon as I turned off the virtual cam, which is just incorrectly configured right now This worked again. So I just left it. I left it alone. It's fine. It ain't broke. Don't fix it Yeah But it's a yeah So anybody that is looking to do a live stream that want to be able to broadcast to youtube and facebook A teams meeting like we're doing Stream labs obs is fantastic Again, it's still a little bit of setup that it's fairly straightforward. There are Hundreds if not thousands of video walkthroughs out there. I've had to go and set that up All eventually one of them Just about I'll probably create my version of it because I think they still get a little too Wordy what they do and yeah, but but anyway, um, yeah cool stuff So teams is about to get a lot less, uh chatty Um, I don't know who's gotten We've got this message Office 365. I got my digest of changes coming to Microsoft 365 office 365 and they're removing some teams channel system messages. So yeah Yeah, what does that actually mean interpret that for us? I Can read it to you Yes to focus on relevant information and teams by removing some system messages So system messages are going to get it yanked out And it's rolling out begins in mid june says it's going to complete mid july Government tenants begins in mid august and complete by end of august Just if you lose messages or you suddenly notice that the uh, the dialogue is a lot less verbose It's not broken. You didn't do anything wrong. They just cut it back And that that can cause a problem with what I was talking about earlier is uh Is with the the sim with the security information? Uh mechanism in azure sentinel digesting that data But some of those events are being reported. They won't be flagged So if you have security folks that are flagging certain events or certain messages that come through On a on the mechanism like teams You know, they'll no longer see it. So that's that's another one of those Hey, was this really a benefit or was this really something that you know They did make a note mike uh, they to indicate that this will not affect compliance logs so Yeah, as long as you're you're gone by what's today in compliance laws Who knows if it's tomorrow? You don't like the way it is just wait five minutes. Yeah I'll change the name It'll be uh Five apps or something silly like that Teams groups apps the teams group apps, you know, yeah The grouping your teams in your apps app Yeah, there'll be something Hey, there's there's something I'd like to discuss that I saw there's over on the microsoft teams page here in facebook Um, the somebody just this prompted me somebody's commenting on a problem that they're having a question around Using whiteboard. There's been a lot of discussion a lot of requests in the mvp circles as well as within community sites And I know that there are also user voice requests Of when the whiteboard capability will be able to be used in teams and what people are doing If you've not played with the whiteboard app It's Really cool I've blogged about it While you guys are chatting i'll go grab the the link and share that out there But one of the things that I really like and the the the productivity tip that I've shared In my webinars was around using the Templates for whiteboard to kind of you know spark conversation. It has a number of templates for Project tracking for brainstorming for a bunch of things if you know, or you don't use any of those things if you just have you know An ongoing meeting you use it with touchscreens if you have Like the giant wall surface model. It's the ideal platform to go and use That whiteboard literally as a whiteboard Uh, yeah, but it's uh, you know, I don't know if you guys have much experience with it or seen the discussion threads around When are we going to see more whiteboard support in teams? I I mean I've used it extensively with customers when I was uh on the independent consulting side So I mean every time I would get on a call and a customer would be like Well, can you explain this to me how this is going to work? And I'd be like, okay I'd open up whiteboard and at the time I just had a little wacom tablet You know, I've uh the the the wake up tablet Wacom's or tablets And that was a little difficult for me to navigate right because I'd have it sitting here in my right hand side and I you know, I'd have all kinds of problems Well, thank god, uh, I got around to getting a surface where I can actually You know right right on the screen, which made life a thousand times better but uh Customers love it because it's a very you know, instead of sitting in a in a room whiteboarding You know just throwing that up right away saying hey, this is how this connects to this This is what protocol. This is uh, this is where that traffic goes. It's whatever um, it's it's the visual aspect of it and I really did it. I really love it. I mean, I remember my kids talking about smart boards in school And smart boards were the big thing, right? But they cost like 10 grand a piece or something like that something crazy And all that smart Yeah, and they weren't all that smart too, you know You can and you could print them off and all this other kind of stuff, but it's just it wasn't that great So now I know teachers that have gone back to I don't know if you remember this but the old Projectors that you overhead With the clear sheets and that the the water the the wipe off markers. Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, they've already gone They've gone back to that because the smart boards are so bad But uh, I really dig the whiteboard. I think it's got a lot of uses Yeah, absolutely. Well, I just post the mouse not so much. I just posted the link Um, yeah, I mean definitely take a look. It's it's a great It's a great solution And let me post it over in the teams as well Oh christian with some templates Oh Aren't you snazzy mister I actually like sketch it. I don't know if you guys use any that if you guys have surfaces I don't know but I use sketch it quite a bit and that's really nice because you can bring in Uh networking diagrams and even if you lose use and surprisingly enough not in vizio yet But in lucid charts if you use lucid charts, you can actually You know bring those the diagramming and and organizational charts and things like that and Uh in vizio, it's a little bit more difficult because you can't manipulate shapes that well yet With the whole ink thing and it's just you know, I'm really surprised at a Microsoft product can't Can't do it that well, but well Based on vectors, right? They did require it and it's yeah, it's it's and it's a Excuse me more granular finesse product. It does so much more than like the whiteboard product But yeah, yeah So I should warn you guys for later. I have a uh Christian you're gonna love this because you just had such a fun time the one time I posted pictures I've got an appointment with my eye doc today So i'm gonna be blind this afternoon Christian christian Oh, man So he took this picture. I posted something on facebook one time They dilated my eyes and only one of them dilated so one eye is like that big and the other one's like this He mocks it up like a pirate You really put that Yeah, where did you put that? I don't recall. Yeah, Sean claims that he went to the eye doctor Yeah, so it was really going on. He was free-basing donuts in the back row Exactly little powder I'm gonna take a little bit of issue with that Consuming it, you know the powder sugar Sean not other methods, so I got to take a little bit of issue with that because I was actually Uh when I was uh five years old I was in a car accident And it damaged the uh optic nerve in my left eye My left eye is permanently dilated So I have what you have what you had in that picture I've had since I was five years old Do you have vision in your left eye? Uh, I have well, I have about 40 vision to my left eye. Okay, but it's the light factor Because it takes in too much light So yeah, I'm always squinting. I'm always, you know turning this one off But it's uh, it's actually it's it affects people who have optic nerve damage And uh, it's it's really interesting When you get into conversations because I'll look at you and they'll be like, dude, are you on drugs? No You know what I found just an observation about people like so when I was 18 I was uh in a car accident broke my jaw. So I had my jaw wired shut This was when I was walking around talking to people like this because that's all I've had to talk People didn't ask like why do that people would then just start automatically mocking you and talking that way And you'd be you'd I'd always like pause My jaw is wired shut. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. You'd like no your first instinct was to mock me Which I would have done but you know the love. Yeah Hey mike, does anybody ever ask you if you are like having a stroke or something? I was an emt I mean Pupils being uneven as a sign of cerebral uh potential cerebral issues. Are you at emt? Uh, yeah, I used to be a firefighter hazmat tech and emt. Oh, I was I was first responder. I was an emt as well Way back when yeah, and then in the 90s. Anyways, um Yeah, I've had people ask me all kinds of questions. Like are you nuts? You know, are you is that is that from the shock therapy? Those are You know I have to make that statement a lot with sean especially he'll say something I'll be like, you know mutually exclusive things here There's so much love Good times All right, so we've got uh five six minutes left if there are any other questions Feel free to ask Um, let me see if there's anything else Anything else you guys have run across the last week With the exception will be out little out could outlook.com thing I mentioned earlier now. That's that was the biggie I know there's a lot of little questions somebody like in teams some of the functionality. Uh Somebody's asking how do I full screen the active person speaking during a meeting? Is it is a way to do it automatically or manually so in teams? I don't think there is is there no not that I don't Well, you can in the ellipses right next to a person's name Um, you can Fit their image to a frame so you can open up from your view It won't impact the recording if you're not the one recording that it'll still it's just for your for your view so we do these family sessions all the time and and You have multiple faces up on the screen Or I want to see my grandson the biggest the entire time and so I'll pin It'll expand it pin My daughter my grandson and other conversations going on, but I'm more watching him move around He's taken his first step. So it's an important time for me to Oh, no, you know a lot mobile The game's changed. Yeah Uh, but so yes, you can you can fit that to the frame and expand that let me see you here at the dude So I Yeah, I think I think the bigger question is if you can hit that ellipsis ellipsis and say Block this person's video like christian. I mean, I didn't you know block him. So you don't see him And you just see, you know shone and how But you can't do that. Yeah, we'll see that I just showed I just tried to expand how and it didn't So right now it's zoomed in so I guess so the answer is no you can't do that That's funny. Yeah, so it expanded it if you saw what just happened on the screen So it got the full howl video in the Partial view of the screen that I have of howl. So it just gave me the the cinematic view of howl All in action. Oh boy, that's the That's in the edit. It's the academy award-winning shot of of howl versus the The cut for tv edit, you know, I gotta I gotta ask everybody on the call here Is anybody been involved in a in a bombing yet a zoom bombing? Or anybody hijacking your calls or anything? We had someone we were doing this event on zoom if you guys remember When we were broadcasting so early on Mike. Yeah, I think it was before you joined us We had some but but we didn't allow people to do video But they just came in and added colorful language in the comments Colorful. Yeah, very colorful. Yeah, I was just on one last week from And I don't know if I mentioned this or two weeks ago the dutch power show Music group and uh, they had somebody come on and and it was just it was it was really bad on zoom Or yeah on zoom on zoom. Yeah, they got control of the video and um, yeah, and uh It was just kind of crazy and that everybody's trying to figure out how to you can't just turn off one person's video You have to kick them, you know kick them out of the meeting You don't allow them to have control in the first place Uh, well in zoom, you just if you turn on uh, attendee video for everybody. It's global It's not like you can do it individually, but dangerous Yeah, or what you could do is the right so you're correct So and from a user group perspective, they want everybody to be able to show themselves and be interactive and You know all that kind of fun stuff and yeah So Yeah, hopefully now with the uh the three by three and soon to be the seven by seven In teams that'll resolve that for the ones that are the most recently active So you can have you know 100 200 people on there And the ones that are talking will pop up and their video will be up there But what it won't do they won't do the zoom model, which is Show up some all everybody all the time not not currently but uh, you know, but right now the nine Or the uh, and do you guys have that yet? I don't have it on my tenant yet. I don't either Yeah, I've got more than four but not I I don't think I've been on a call with nine people I've seen that once there were a couple of pgis. I think calls to the last couple of weeks where They'll have The most I've never seen I've never seen a full nine. I have seen six or seven of them Yeah, me too. How yeah Yeah, so it's just I don't believe it's deployed on my tenant yet Which is I'm not sure why I I'm on a fast ring. So Haven't turned it to 11 yet. Yeah But um, but yeah, it'll be uh, it'll be interesting to see and then you know We'll we'll see what happens to performance when we get to 49 um Yeah, yeah excited about that but Good times good times Well, I don't see any other questions. We're at the uh, we're at the top of the hour So gentlemen, thank you so much for participating and yeah, thanks for hosting and I was gonna say We'll see you tonight, but uh, that would be insensitive me insensitive of me. What do you mean, Sean? I'll see something All right I might be able to click the right buttons to get me into the meeting. That's right All right. Well, thanks everybody In it for those that are watching if you continue to ask questions, we'll be checking this again We'll be back at 6 p.m. Pacific for the second round. So we've got the asia pacific Session, uh for their tuesday morning. So feel free to join us or post the questions throughout the day and we'll be check in here on the On the the the book of faces. So consider yourself threatened All right later guys, like thanks All right, well again for anybody watching We've got uh Look at the multiple locations here I think we have Maybe open up another one here I think we got a couple of those people that are on the two locations um, this is the Yeah, this is the uh the the asia pacific edition of the microsoft community office hours Nuts If you do have any questions great Feel free to post Zahida asks is can we compare teams with bitrix 24? I don't know what that is With what? bitrix 24 No, no, no, no. Is that a real thing? So The tricks 24 I can honestly say I've never heard of it. No, but is that like is that like group wise? Free collaboration platform with crm tasks free for small businesses social enterprise platform Here's the number one difference between the platforms one people use The other one is available out on the web. See there you go alienating our fan base again christian We have a fan base. We just talked about this We have a fan base. Yeah, shawna All three of them Maybe four. I don't even think christian's mom's gonna tune back in We covered that last time our moms are hanging out together. Yes I'm looking to change the channel, which really says something I have to say that uh back when in you know early 90s when I was in my You know alternative rock band one of the coolest things, but it was also kind of creepy was we did a show um Where was it old iron sides? No, no, it was uh, anyway downtown sacramento And uh, we had people show up that we're singing along to our songs So we had been together for a little over a year. We had no recordings that were out there Um, and they words and we're singing along. No, apparently somebody got a recording didn't tell us Got it off the board from some show that we did And so there was a bootleg recording of us and they learned the words to songs And showed up which was in there were three of them And they came up and they were your number one fans And they knew the words to a bunch of our songs and it was it was cool and creepy at the same time That's when christi that's that's when christian got introduced to groupies And that's when it That's right his first night of running down alleys and turning corners True story true story Yeah, and yeah, so zaheed. Yeah, it's project management collaboration tools. Yeah, we looked at it Yeah, none of us are familiar with it at all, but But it's interesting it's interesting to think about, you know, how much this space is expanded Like I got into share point part of my history Sean, you know, this is that so I was in project and portfolio management And so I I had worked on portals and done a few other things worked back in the data center world and So deployed like business objects and DSS strategy and a bunch other, you know SAS modules and things for the front end of these, you know, massive phone company databases Ended up kind of getting involved with project management built out a PMO for the organization did it for a couple other companies kind of but that's how I the evolution of project and portfolio management solutions into information management systems because The PM tools are more effective when you're tied in directly to your knowledge management systems your And so I was I don't even remember what the other solution was that I was promoting to this very large client They were at that time were just under a billion dollar company Um, and they insisted on having share point and I tried to talk him out of it Um, a lot of early share point stories start that way Who else in the community is telling was forced into it? You know, there's like, why do you want to run the share point thing? Don't do that We got you know group wise and we've got lotus tools over here and all these yeah It's interesting. I remember I remember a conversation I had with Dan home Who is now like a senior PM of No, he's the director of He makes the time that we drink. Yeah, but at the time he was just a share point guy And he was actually that's the first year he did the olympics When he was working on the whole olympics computers And he did a session that I was at And having a conversation with him afterwards sitting at a big table with like 20 people and he's just like This share point thing you mark my words, you know It's going to be the the best thing that microsoft puts out You know, it's going to be the number one product that they released It's going to be the core of everything and look where he is now I mean he followed that thing through All the way through what's amazing too and it was it not it was the fastest growing or fastest to a billion dollar business in microsoft's history office 365 which was faster Until teams. Yeah, I don't know what the latest numbers are in teams But I think it had a faster growth trajectory than 365, which had been the fastest Crazy Yeah, he was he was so happy to say that the olympics were running on share point Nothing inspires fear in many nations at once I believe dan still Oh, it's like he still does that for the olympics. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, so it's it's part of his He's a microsoft sochi. He definitely did his big thing at sochi. Yeah, no, I think it's still it's part of his deal I seem to recall when he he took the job with microsoft was that he got to keep them as a client and go and do that Which is, you know, I think they were fine with doing And I'm I'm sure there's you know, it's a pretty casual Pace of innovation there in dan's team. So it's not like he needs to be there full time He can phone it in We love you dan. You're a good guy That's where dan he becomes caffeinated in the planning sessions for the olympics and doesn't stop I don't think he sleeps until Then he hibernates for two weeks at the end of the olympics and then goes back to normal I thought dan was born caffeinated He might be He's uh, he definitely has that energy. Yeah Man, if I could harness that Yep I'm with a bunch of guys that if you harness our collective brain power you might be able to toast bread lately Not up past the number four setting I'm looking through I'm I'm going to focus on answering questions here. Yeah Is that your statement? We had such a productive morning session. Of course, this will be all in the recording But it so do we just make that statement now that um, it's not worth going forward folks We the everything good happened this morning when we add the two recordings now you can stop watching now Yeah, we pretty much see there has to be there has to be a serious hour and a comedy hour That's true. You know, especially since we've been working all day And I know the folks over in apj are just kind of like getting their work day Groove on but we're going in kind of wacky mode right now because we've been working all day So here I do here's a team's question. Um, jewelry asks is anyone using sensitivity labels? I'm really offended that she asked that question Oh, he sure he all right. Sorry. He's he pulled that one so far. I was waiting. I know Uh, no, uh, so is anyone using sensitivity labels? If I label all of three of you sensitive So sensitive touchy sensitive I I gotta tell you when when I set up when that first came out I remember it was all about putting the confidential label And it was a confidential. There was a non disclosure And there was a time sensitive label this company the insurance company that I was working for And they had to have those labels You know, and they thought that was the greatest thing because that little bar would pop up And we'd say, you know, this that this is time sensitive blah blah blah, whatever They thought it was really cool That brings up a good point and this is an honest question. Um, aip as your information protection. Yeah um so do um time Sensitive items do can conversations expire out of teams I don't think they can go out of teams. They can go out of Um, you can expire. Well, no, I don't think you can expire them out of yammer Because a lot of those labels have, you know policies attached with them Yeah, and I'm wondering if those policies can affect conversations in the same way that, um They affect things like files and share point. Well, to be honest with you I'll tell you teams. I don't I haven't seen a lot of policies written around teams yet And there's yeah, and there's two technologies there So it's that you'd have to ask that question twice since the threaded discussions is handled one way and the chats are Handled the different way Fair point. So be whether, you know, so whether that works, you know, I don't know that's a great Either threaded discussions share point or the the chapter It's it's still but there's it's two separate Artifacts within the system. So you'd have to two places for it, but it's still exchange based Okay. Oh, it's exchange based. So the files the files aren't the files Actually pointed to from SharePoint into one drive By those actual it's it's all all of that exists in one drive. It's reference. Yeah Reference is a SharePoint document library So when you see that thing across the top where it says files Um wiki those are just links and stuff, but that all links back to a SharePoint or So the team site backing the yeah, okay team Yeah, so there's got to be some kind of policy you can wrap around that Stands to reason. Yeah, but yeah, I'd love to get the official answer on that Yeah, so we'll certainly around the files any files images any attachments on the SharePoint side. Yes I mean, I'm assuming the maturity again. I'm not an exchange guy, but you know anything that you can do Archival any security any labeling on the exchange side of things would apply to that within Teams, I don't know how that works. I've not gone in and experimented with that But but I try and run that down for next week But we do need you need to answer it for both of those two things since they're in kind of two buckets Right within that. So yeah, I'll see what I can do to get us some answers and share those next week That reminds me. I just I heard that they actually just released a new version of exchange server And there are one of the some of the people that I've been working with they're like Oh, yeah, they came out with this new version of exchange. Everybody said the first question pops in your head. They're still making exchange But yeah Well, here's that question that I kept joking about but I'll actually get through Jory's question here Is anyone using sensitivity labels and if you apply a sensitivity label set to internal only But you have external guests on a team I'm assuming they can't see the document even though they're a member of that team uh Boy, you're talking about the less you're talking about a granular permission They are a member of the team, but they're an external and the policy defines at the At the label level That means no, they will not see it But if it applies at the user level Then yes, they will probably see it. This is one of those security venn diagram. Yeah Yeah, and uh, and steven answered part of it, um So he I so I think it aligns with you said so it depends on the policy As he thinks that a guest would still fall under an unauthenticated user um So, yeah, I mean, I would say the the same thing that that you know depends on how you define that policy Yeah, and the access level how you define those guest users Yeah, it's just like a membership Yeah, it's just like azure ad azure ad is the same way it depends on they can be an external user But they can be defined The same as an internal user and they get to see the same things at internal users Oh, yeah, you can put them in the same security groups and whatnot. Yeah So just think of ad and extend that to the cloud Pretty much the same principles Some good questions Look at me something to run down Yeah, somebody is actually Watching us paying attention They're tired of us joking around Well the jokes aren't that good, you know, so that's true. Yeah We're the only ones who laugh Well, I used to say that about a lot of jokes and presentations that I give I'd be like, you know And my my wife or one of my kids told me it's like, you know only you think it's funny. I'm like When I'm up there alone That's all that matters as long as I'm entertained and keep going and we're good. I'm amongst my people King of the dad jokes, man Oh, yeah, dad jokes roll Yeah, there was a studio c episode where it was he graduated from the dad jokes to the grandpa jokes so they degraded If you could do that and degraded the dad jokes Is it a sliding scale? I'm at that now. I've got a grandson. So I'm you know, I'm You're at that threshold. I'm at the threshold So you're past the threshold if you got a grandson already you're past it You just fell you're you falling over to the other side. We got a bungee your belt looper and grandpa We gotta catch you That's that's the my my youngest who turns 20 next month. Uh, he's like, did you did you have a midlife crisis the midlife crisis? And I'm like Where's that Corvette where's that Corvette in the driveway? Of course not what are you saying? What are you applying? Yeah So no, I think it's funny though is that my uh, when when you know, everybody was gone and we were you know empty nesters for almost two years and Uh, my wife's like you got to get a hobby You got got to do something I think I was pestering her and go let's go do something. Let's go somewhere. It's like go get a hobby She's a homebody and and so I'm like, you know, hey, I'd like to get back into studio recording and do music and stuff She's like no no And so what I what I went out and did was the uh, I went the uh the howl route Oh, yeah, uh-oh, what'd I do now? Yeah Yeah, so that's that's a that's a big lateral throw there Yeah, so I had that and my my wife is I think was uh less sensitive about uh getting back into doing some music Put everything on the scale Yeah Now I'm thinking about getting for these videos though and having my little stand. I mean right there getting one of those, uh, you know Home security by six hour or something like that Protected by smith and wesson I don't have a smith and wesson Nope, I don't have a smith and wesson either uh The one up on the top is a little mossberg bold auction 22 that I've had since I was Probably nine or 10 years old, which puts its age at at 60 plus years and the The one in the middle of the daisy be began the one on the bottom Is a ruger 10 22 that's only about 40 years old Yeah, so uh very cool yeah, so from From microsoft 365 to firearms. We got it all covered So hey, we can solve your problem or we could we could help you take your technology out into a field and then shoot it We're here to help You you kind of may think that's that's funny, but I'll tell you what little side story Back when I was working at the tv station This has got to be 25 years ago. Uh, one of the guys that I worked with Got a computer it was uh, I don't know 486 or something like that, but he wasn't happy with it So he had a 45 and he shot the blessing thing. Oh my uh, you know, I think I should can you fix this? Actually, he got lucky. He managed to not hit a vital out Vital organ and we actually got it back up when the bulldog tapes little duct tape will do it My gosh I've never had I mean Pulled a pull a bullet out of a computer case I would think about my clientele at that point Yeah And and whether they're good at paying their bills Well now he just it made me um, yeah, uh think of this Well for those that are watching What are you sharing show something? What is he gonna show? I gotta get out to his facebook page It's a piece of load but let me see load letter. What does that mean? Great scene wouldn't exactly say I've been missing it bob Yeah That's classic Got enough pieces of flair there Ha ha ha Sean All we want is he for you to uh, you know to express yourself if you feel that seven pieces of flair are sufficient That's fine. Mike wears 14 pieces of flair But that's Mike. We just want you to be you Yeah Anyway, but glad I could share that and uh Get a lawsuit for uh, not having the rights to show now. We're not we're not Downhill You guys just gotta think though. I mean he's christians only got two more weeks You know left with all of us here I'm saying i'm thinking you better finish that statement mike Oh, yeah, he's only got two more weeks left I mean he's gonna have to start finding at least a replacement for the ones that don't make the cut on july 1st You know going through that Of course, mr. Mr. Mr. R. D. Has got it in a bag. So, you know Yeah Yeah, the rg has there's no For those that don't know what we're talking about mike is Alluding to here is that uh the annual renewal for all of the mvps globally Is uh july 1st, so we will wake up Yeah, we will wake up to find out if we received or did not receive That faded email although what did you guys see there was a notification that they're notifying the people that did not get renewed Officially for the first time. They're doing also notifying which is great. Well two years ago. They actually No two years ago. They actually had the phone calls before remember that So they were actually calling people like a month before they started making phone calls And they wanted to lessen the impact the social impact Because that july 1st date comes and I mean the social media is just Blasted with that's right. You know, hey i'm renewed. Oh, it sucks. I didn't get renewed. Yeah, you know ups and downs and Well, I got one of those cryptic emails today, which is you know, please update your address information Yeah I'm not getting into that, but we want to make sure we can send the package to you Yeah, although whatever that might be Although just to point it out I got a similar email about that kit for a build that I was supposed to get that never received Oh, because nobody's bitter. No, I'm not bitter Sean christian needs socks. That's all i'm saying Suck it up buttercup Well, it was weird because we didn't we didn't have summit, right? So everybody's looking forward to at least summit in 2021 That hopefully will happen Yeah, i'm on a swag deficit here. I mean, I Yes, mike. It's not it's official. It's not happening. It's gonna be virtual Yeah, oh man, I think we're gonna rethink that No, they're they're the plan of record is they because they have to plan for this stuff in advance All right, so no no in-person microsoft tier one events until sucks the next fiscal year. Yeah I can't treat it. See so much value out of that thing Spending a week with a bunch of egg, you know egg-headed nerds and science with pms and you know it's it's it's one of the best the summits i've ever been at because You know, these are these are people that I've watched all my life, you know all my career Yeah, and I mean i'm going on it's it's a practical focus thing. I cannot focus I know christian. You had a pretty good experience and you were able to attend a lot of sessions, but honestly real life and work and everything just sucked me in I did not get to go to Much of what I wanted to see and hear There's there's a lot of folks. I was talking with peter karson. He was the same thing. He was like Work, you know, he's the CEO of a you know of a very active product company and consulting companies Like yeah hardly he was able to go to anything and yeah, I'm like, yeah, I uh, you know for me I was able to uh You know I was waiting on responses on deliverables and things but I was able to do the morning session But you know pretty much go through all of the evening sessions And so for me it was it was great for that aspect But what was lacking? I just didn't have time then to go spend in some of the Extracurricular spaces the pure networking thing. So I'll say I don't know how that stuff went. Some people liked it I I have no idea. I did zero Yeah, same here Yeah, that's that's that's the hard part of these things. You're right. I mean it's it's a um Um It's great going and and of course there's a lot of conversations that you know the content All my opinion is it's a hit or miss. I think they uh last black channel is always lively correct Which is funny in itself. Yeah Absolutely, but it's I think it's intentionally left there But it's uh, you know because there there are quite a few of the sessions and here we are We're we're mvps. We're getting you know, we're under uh double pinky swear nda's with microsoft And there a lot of the content was given at ignite Yeah, the previous fall and I'm obviously there's a difference there in that it might be the same content that's being presented And not everybody's seen it however the conversation the the fact that the product team's then there and answering Sometimes most of the time very candid questions and giving us insights into Beyond what was shared But I said that the value and that stuff is great and and I mean my favorite sessions at mvp summit And this is the value of being on there is Uh is when they do the panels with all the product leads It's fantastic Nellie bow We are not hearing you neil because he's muted You're not not me anymore. There you are Hi Welcome back Thank you. I'm sorry. I couldn't make this morning. Just that's all right. The problem It's end of year microsoft is somewhere, you know, and it's like it gets crazy. That's right. You guys are july to june It's fun. Well, I'll just tell you what you've missed. We we've answered one and a half questions And I showed I showed the famous clip from the office space movie where they trashed the printer in the field Um and christian has managed to alienate our three fans as well, so It happens Yeah But uh, yeah, that's why we'll what's what's going on. What's happening in your world besides the end of year So this so this weekend was fun um In the u.s. Obviously as you as most of you kind of christian certainly, you know shon, you know Um, how you may or may not know mic. I'm not sure but i'm i'm transitioning my Permanent residency to the u.s. I'm still going through that. It's the three-year process right now. Wow But I was able to purchase a gun this weekend. So that's specifically for how as he has weapons behind him What's was one of the topics of discussion that that that you miss Uh This is the little uh six hours. It's actually the p 365. How could I not buy the 365? I bought a red axp carry this weekend nine millimeter I love it. No, I'm not getting out because I've got a beverage and I don't want to get my gums out when I've got a beverage That's that's that's probably a wise call neil Yeah, but it's my first time I've ever in my entire I've fired weapons. I'm a qualified marksman, believe it or not in the raf but um I'm I'm it's the first time I've ever physically owned a weapon of my own Well, welcome to ownership Yeah, gotta get it down the range Yeah It's gonna be the uh, the the the the the weaponized version of the microsoft community office hours. Yes It was Because the the the things that you see up there that the one on the top I've had since I was eight or nine years old that I mean fire that firearms in arizona you grew up with them Yeah, and I will add one other thing to that When I was in junior high and the like, uh The nra back then was mostly interested in gun safety training and responsibility Yeah, and I don't think they do those things anymore I've not noticed that no most of what I've read doesn't include those three things Yeah, so I I qualified as a marksman on a World war two leonfield 303 rifle. Oh, I had one of those That thing kicked like a mule It was terrific Yeah, so anyway, anyway, let's not digress. We're supposed to be Yeah, we've talked a couple things on products, but uh Yeah, I'm just I'm going through the teams and the office 365 communities to see if there's any other Questions that have been posted that we can cover um No, we I apologize christian. You know, you said we should all look at questions and find questions to bring to the table Nobody did that No, none of us did that I brought an ounce this morning That's right. That's true I tried Well, of course, nobody gets right trying, but yeah, try Yeah, you're very trying Joe. You're very trying Yeah, my wife tells me that quite frequently. I believe it No christian, I'm in the process of ripping movies for you What? Oh, wow. Yeah, all for me. Good. Good girl Is that Here's a my shoes on plex. Hey, here's a share point. So neil and shan is for you Uh, it's a share point says uh have a customer with an old share point 2013 farm and an office 365 tenant A content migration is planned. He asked to migrate all old share point sites and subsites to a teams team Not to a share point online site collection Okay, apparently this person doesn't understand team Then the next question was which what are the pros and cons with this idea? Uh, you can't can't migrate to teams. You can migrate to shampoony And team aside Teamify it or not. So you could you could well you can create a team On office 365 that obviously is backed by a share point online site and then you can migrate to that site The problem comes in primarily for me and you all made one of the experiences Is about the expectations around security And and what who can access what? Because fundamentally a teams channel Is a folder in a share point document library, right and therefore You know, obviously there's the whole breaking inheritance higher. Yeah, I don't want to go down Modifying security and share point because fx teams you can come on. You don't like item level security I'm I'm virtually poking you in the eyes Fair enough Yeah, I know what that does especially for performance and you know getting stuff through and well things things are a lot better since And this is going this is I'm going to roll back now. Okay. I'm going to show my age I think we're all kind of similar I'm 51 by the way, but um that If you think that Sharepoint 20 as soon as we started talking about age. He dropped off. He doesn't want to Between sharepoint 2010 and sharepoint 2013 we adopted the whole azure sequel focus on Improving the way you do The kind of queries that sharepoint does about about security across scopes in In the schema on the back end database schema. We approved a lot of that So it's it's not as critical as it was when we think about a sharepoint 2010 But at the same time it's not best practices either or even good common practice You know, I know we have several people in the community myself included That hates the term best practice I much prefer the acceptable performance approved common practices kind of my Take on that, but I think um Item level security doesn't carry the same performance penalty than it did That's good, but it doesn't mean it doesn't carry any penalty Yeah So I it's like be careful, but you'll be sensible I would honestly not migrate sharepoint online Sharepoint on-prem content to a team I'd be very very cautious about doing an assessment of why I want to migrate and why I need to migrate Great because you got to think about another way think about private channels, right? Private channels have their own security Private channels carry their own Folders within sharepoint sites and therefore they also have the concept of limitations in terms of how many of those you can have right Yeah Well, what one part of it the middle part of his statement here. I just want to clarify too He says says he asked to migrate all old sharepoint sites and subsites to teams team not to a sharepoint online site collection Uh, you know, well So which is it's kind of I'm not this there are other questions that need to follow up to clarify what I mean Because teams everything you would migrate to teams would be in sharepoint online That would be part of an everything that's out there is on that You know, it would be migrated into a site collection But to your point there would be the sharepoint to sharepoint online migration and get rid of the on-prem There's that part of it. It doesn't mean you need to go in there and teamify All of those sharepoint sites you can leave them in Sharepoint online post migration and then decide which you want to be You know accessible connected into teams. Yeah, that's something. Yes Absolutely Sorry, Sean. I was just I was just gonna say, um They said these are old sites and I like I was gonna use this technology to find old Is the archive? Yeah, if it's right, I've thrown throwing a sharepoint site and just link the sharepoint site to a new team Right. Yeah, that's the best way to do that Semi-cold storage. Well, well, that's the thing is if you you find that you need to it's accessible and you find you need to Access that knowledge that's in that old site to an active team You know a project or whatever it's like look you could go and Access that the permissions are set up correctly added as a tab and relevant for that that team. I mean that's a lot of Easily surface that information. Yeah, and it's part of that migration if they use it to like you know, um Okay I know we had this discussion lesson like branding different tools SPMT content matrix share gate whatever it might be whatever your tool of choice is they all migrate permissions Automatically assuming those same user accounts and groups are all replicated to azure ad So you could just migrate that content to an on a sharepoint online site Link it to the team and then when people see the link. Oh, here's our archive. Here's our you know repository of Previous projects, whatever that might be When they navigate to that site, they'll that it's all going to be permission managed. It's all going to be That's not the as per Sharepoint on prem models. Yeah to your point, Neil. Why go through the exercise of you know re-engineering the site? Yeah, don't do that I know I work for a long time in the SharePoint online migration space inside FastTrack And re-engineering things was something we we were like, no, we're not doing that You can fix it on prem And we'll migrate it to online or you can migrate it to online and you the customer can fix it in online Trying to fix things up mid migration Inside the migration flow like maybe modifying your information architecture modifying your site structures, you know No, no, no, no, no just a time re-architecture Got another question here um teams related and uh Oh, wait teams and exchange Uh documents, I don't know we were we were talking earlier Neil. I don't know if you can help with this around the Uh sensitivity labels If that's a space you can answer questions around Not really my thing. Yeah, I don't think we're going to be able to answer this. We may have to go do a little footwork on this, but Loren is asking me a little help. One of my customers needs to put a sensitivity label to all existing files in his teams and exchange office documents. I have activated the auto labeling feature, but I can't see how to force the labeling to all files. He says the users are a mix of E3 and E5 licenses, and it looks like it was posted on May 5th, zero responses from the community. Nobody's touching that one, huh? Well, I do know a guy though. There's a guy. I believe that. There's a guy called, oh crap, here in Salvi, he's a hydro name dropping in here, but he was a beta engineer in the Office 365 space for many years. He's moved to PFE now, which is where I came first, Johnny Microsoft. He was a beta engineer for all of the sensitivity labeling rollout across production, public cloud as well as GCC and GCC High. I just CC you on the issue in Facebook so I could see that. Okay. I'll speak to Heron. I actually have a call with Heron on Wednesday. If I don't get to speak to him before, I'll ask him, he may know, and then we'll see if we can address that one. He's the man though. He's absolutely the man for that stuff. Okay. Who's Hal again? Yeah, Hal. Yeah, probably. It's kind of interesting. So on a Wednesday, by the way, I know you all know, I've kind of left the SharePoint space mainly these days, but I love it. It's been my life for 20 years, and so I kind of stay in touch all the time. Yeah. As much as I can. And I'm still presenting, for example, at the Colab Summit as we talked about last time. And I think one of the things that's been intriguing for me is internally at Microsoft, every Wednesday afternoon at 1 p.m. central, we have a triage call. And that call is all of the PFE's bringing all of their customer issues together with a group of probably 50 or 60 very experienced PFE, MCS folks across the globe, even though it's 7 p.m. central CSG. Is this a 7-1 call that happens regularly, Neil, or something else? Still there, Neil? Might have lost him there. I think he's frozen. I think he's bandwidth constrained. Oh. The cats did it. Hell's cats did it. Yeah, they did. Neil, Neil. We're losing you, Neil. Might want to, Neil, we might need to have you leave and then rejoin. Or cut your video. Yeah, try. Yeah. Well, Neil, oh, good. Now we're going to hear. We've lost everything. Yeah. Yeah, you cut out about two minutes ago. You cut out, so. So here's a question Kevin asked yesterday. We're trying to develop a method of determining when staff would require an E1 license versus an E3. We would like a questionnaire that staff could complete based on the answers that would determine the license. I'm looking for suggestions on signing the correct license to the correct person. How are other companies deciding on the license? Do you need the client apps? Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's a few responses that are on there. And I'll say that, look, I'm aware of some non-public products, some vendors that are doing some things. I know that, well, I know that there's some reporting, some of the analysis that's being done by RENCOR and TIGRAF, two companies that are doing something else. But out of that data, you're getting richer data about who's using what on the system and can help you determine that. But otherwise, I think the default answer is you can do your best and then monitor usage patterns and clean it up after the fact. And it may be that you need to promote some people up. And others would be like, we're just not seeing the usage. And you can push them back down to E1. But I don't know, Neil, unless you're aware of any other official tool sets out there for helping to better to optimize, determining who needs what license type within an organization. I'll put a plug for the office expert, folks. You guys familiar with Office Expert? Over in Germany, they have a system that taps in for this for SharePoint online and the Microsoft 365 workloads. But they can show you usage across workloads. For instance, if you're adopting teams, they can show you teams adoption, how much decline you're seeing in email that's leaving the organization, that sort of stuff. So they've got Ben. What's Ben's last name? Begins with an M. Ben. Well, he's trying to point it. I always have a problem of understanding if you're dealing with a company that's getting the enterprise agreements, if they're under EAA, they're getting all the E5, right? They're either getting E3 or E5 for Microsoft 365, right? So with E5, you're getting what? AITP and PBX in the cloud. Maybe what else are you really getting between those two of a license standpoint? Between which SKUs? E3 and E5. So Cloud App Security. AITP and Cloud App Security, and then PBX in the cloud. Well, it gives you a lot of additional enhancements to the Azure AD. AIP, threat protection, PIM, all that kind of stuff as well. Yeah. Yeah, the premium Azure AD. It doesn't give you anything extra in the share partner line in TeamSpace, that's for sure. No. I'm sorry, I just looked over and saw Hal's new background. You just saw that? He's had that on for like 10 minutes. Been using the working screen. That's hilarious. That's what I'm saying when he's like, Hal's playing with his cats. I was looking over another screen. Here's a great question for you. Again, I know you guys will appreciate. Christopher asks, is there any solution from Office or Microsoft 365 for faxing to a user's mailbox? Isn't that more of an Outlook Exchange thing? Somebody's got to have a fax gateway, though. There are plenty of public fax gateways right there. Yeah, fax from my Outbox. Easy. E-fax. Yeah, E-fax. I've been using them since they launched in what, 97, 88? As soon as they saw that fax machines were going down the tubes, man, they launched. Well, for what it's worth, you can still, if you've got an old-fashioned fax modem, you can still out of Windows 10. And for that matter, Outlook, you can still send faxes the old-fashioned way. My doctor's office still uses a fax machine. Well, that's the point. There's a bunch of people making jokes and stuff on there. And somebody says, so the folks saying why fax in the 2020s, I work for an organization with a lot of right fax hanging around why we're in pharma and interact with a lot of doctors. Faxes are analog and not bound to HIPAA regulation. Of course, I kind of went, huh? Because then somebody answered below, hi, Joe, the moment incoming faxes converted into an email, is that not been covered by HIPAA? Yes. Yes. Yes. Exactly. But you know, fax still works fax to fax, but I still have a warm spot in my heart for that. My first tech company, 9192, I ran a service for the company. I maintained it, made sure it was running. I was a product called Broker Fax and tapped into our old Paradox databases and would send out thousands of faxes on all the machines and phone lines every evening. And I helped run that service until it was bought by a competitor. So I threw a link out in the chat window, linked to Microsoft Docs setting up incoming faxing in exchange online. It's not it. Let's get back over here. It used to be a company, I think, it were called Brooktrout, weren't they? Yes. Brooktrout modems. Yeah, they built a fax and worked as you put in a machine. That was a complete fax board. Several different fax machines all on the board. Yeah. Yeah, them and right fax. Actually, the third, fourth award category that I had that the NDP award category had was printing and imaging. And the imaging part was specifically for fax. The fax features in Outlook and Windows 10 solved a lot of problems back in those days along those lines. It's interesting. Actually, let me throw another little quick story out to you. That's actually kind of an interesting little. I have I always apply for and I still do for Ignite's and bills and things like that. But if they ever put out a call for volunteer staffing, I always volunteer it. And back in 2010, I actually was picked to go to Germany for that was TechEd 2010 Europe. Oh, cool. And I was brought over and where they put me was the their idea of imaging was the Microsoft Development Toolkit, the MDT, kind of a different form of imaging. And I kind of looked, got there and looked at a blank stare and said, you know, I've never seen this before. And I said, oh, well, anyway, it turned out very nicely, though, because really the first day and a half I had it out swag and then paid real close attention to the demos. And at night, I went home and stuffed it onto my notebook and played with it a while. And before I was done, I actually gave a demo or two, which I thought was pretty cool. That is cool. Yeah, I was just going to make my other my fax connection. I was almost three years there in the Microsoft Partner Solution Center, building 25. I was a purple badge on campus for those that I won't get into the longer story of what that was. But I was a vendor with an office on Microsoft Campus in Redmond while they had those purple badges. And I shared an office with somebody from COFAX. So there you go. Cool. There's still a lot of the companies like that. They're still doing a lot of business primarily in the insurance and health care. Yeah. Well, law offices too used to be really, really heavy users of fax along the court systems. Yeah. So did you do that? Go ahead. No, go ahead, Mike. No, I was going to say, reminiscing about the old software, though, I mean, I just found out that a software I used to use when I first became a technician back in. Oh, crap. The late 80s is still being used today. LapLink. LapLink is still being used today. I am amazed by that. I mean, remember the two parallel cables plugging into one machine and another machine? Yeah, that was great. Holy cow. That was the Centronics port too. Fascinating. So when you mentioned cofax, I used to work before, well, before Microsoft, I worked for Computer Science Corporation. Before then, I worked for a small document management company back in the 1998, 1999 era. And I used to write driver-level software to take captures from cofax firmware-based scanners like super high-speed scanning engines that would scan like a page every half a second. Like, you just literally load a bunch of documents in. It was just go. And I would take the software. And I was writing code that would grab the image, do OCR on the image using lead tools to capture that stuff, and then add that content to databases and make it searchable, and then make the image retrievable globally for all the companies. And we actually worked for a company. Our company actually had a kind of a document management. I don't know what you would call it these days. It was like a group of people in an office running 25 scanners scanning tens or hundreds of thousands of documents a day. And my software was doing the OCR work. Well, I know I was invoking APRs and someone else's software was doing the OCR work, let's be honest. But stuffing that all into SQL and making it searchable and making it retrievable. And I worked for some pretty huge companies, Home Depot, Viking, who became the staples of the day. And it was, I loved. I've never really done software development that I could say I owned it from start to finish. I've been a part of a development cycle. I can write code. I'm questioning my ability to write code these days because it's been a while, but that was fabulous. Working with those of a cofax was a big customer of ours. Cofax was a customer that we worked with on their driver engines. How do we speed up the scanning capability? How do we work with that? And maybe even ignore the lead tools API piece and go direct to cofax for the OCR stuff. It was, I actually really, really, that was when I was, how old was I? 30, maybe. So 20 some years ago. I loved it. Neil, you got to see Sean sure he's flirting with you. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. That's why I always write code, is it? Oh, that's why I always write code in the dark. There's safety in that, yeah. I have my family keyboard on my screen, and that's all I need. How's it, Neil? I was just gonna say that my first, what are my first jobs? That wasn't manual labor, but it was close to it. Was when I was 18, 19 years old, was serving document subpoenas and walking around with this massive scanner the size of a small suitcase and rolling into law firms and doctor's offices and then sitting there taking these huge thick files which have paper clips and staples and everything and I'd have to remove it, copy, staple, restaple, reattach it exactly the way it was, do that all day long, every day. That job sucked. I know. Yeah. Sounds like it. The other part of the job I did was, so we had like physical paper, right? That we would scan an OCR and make it all indexable. The other part of the job was we had this concept of cold, right? Remember computer output to laser disk? Worm drive. Oh my God. We would, yeah, we're going back in the day right now. I feel like taking a tinge in the back of my head, Neil. I would take the CSV, the text, that whatever the file format was and have to write code that would render that in a visible form on a computer screen and allow it to be zoomed in and zoomed out, like changed, like it was nuts. I learned my coding the hard way. It was fun though. It was fun though. Wow. Yeah. Life lessons. Well, gentlemen, we're at the end of the hour. I bet. Well, I appreciate for anybody that has stuck through this, congrats to you if you've been watching this. Yeah. We're seeing some old men reminisce. Yeah, really. I think we owe you something. But hopefully there was something useful there. Of course, I'll have here the next day, day and a half, I'll have both recordings merged together, posted to YouTube. As I do every time I'll go, I'll have that on Buckley Planet, my blog. I'll have a blog post up with a link list of all of the topics and the non-topics that we discuss. And you should have some fun, Sean complains again about something or other. Christian and Sean share our t-shirts, that kind of stuff. But as well as all the serious topics, so to make it really easy to jump and find the relevant topics for you. And of course, Mike dropped off, but Hal, Sean, Neil, of course, thanks a lot for joining. And if you'd like to continue to ask questions, post it to the Watch Party, up on Office 365 Community on Facebook. And we'll be monitoring as we do go through and look at new questions that have been asked over the last week. We'll be back again at 8 a.m. Pacific next week. And, oh, and gentlemen, I guess I should say they're right here. And it'll be 6, 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. Pacific every Monday, except for July 27th, that will be the end. So we won't be, well, we might take a pause because I won't be here. Yeah, so I'm gonna be selfish and take a vacation day. We're gonna go to the lake and get jet skis. Gotcha, Christian, I'd like to add something if you don't mind. Yeah. So one of the things I'm working on, as you know, I moved to Azure these days, but I'm very much working on as part of our Azure Fast Track Program, helping customers migrate to Office 365 from on-prem in a way that kind of merges and benefits both Azure side and Office 365 side so that we complement each other. Especially SharePoint on-prem lift and shift to IaaS, perhaps, and then considering refactoring to SPO. So I'd like to ask, if you don't mind, and if obviously our audience doesn't mind, that's the most important thing. Just a couple of minutes next time, just to go through a few things that we do, a few things that we offer, and some of the opportunities are out there, because this is not an internally, well, it's internally driven Microsoft program, but it's open to our customers can engage directly. They don't need to have a TAM. They don't need to have a partner. They don't need to have anybody engaged. They can just go for it. Is there a size requirement? There is a little size requirement, not in terms of seats, but from an Azure perspective, the only things we ask for, we ask for four key things. Do you have a project? Do you have a timeline, which kind of go hand in hand? Is there sponsorship within your business to make this happen? And there's an expectation, although this is a little fluid right now and I am very flexible on this, of around about $5,000 a month ACR revenue after 12 months of project go live. Doesn't have to be day one, right? So that's what we're aiming for, $5,000 a month. Think of it as a stake in the sand, because with many of our customers, we are very much, sometimes it's like the first project is gonna deliver a few hundred dollars, maybe a thousand a month, but that's gonna be the springboard for what's gonna happen next. So we're being very fluid on that. It's very open to that discussion. So, and like I say, from my perspective, joining this team, I have my management buy-in to fully pilot SharePoint on-prem. I has lift and shift migrations with ASR or Azure Migrate or wherever your chosen tool is. And then once you get into Azure thinking about how do we refact to that and make the best use of SharePoint online, make the best use of Office 365 services and try and take, lift what you have because when I think about data center migrations, we have a number of customers who are very much, I had one customer who literally had to be out of their data center by June 1st. The power, literally a power was being pulled. You're gone. I hope they were virtualized. They were, and I got them out by June, I got them out by May 30th. It was like a deadline. So it was pretty cool that we did that, but I think other people can benefit that, think about COLOs and I think about the partners that we work with in this space. I have, and I'm gonna mention one right now and Christian, hold your hand if you don't want me to mention a partner name. No, go for it. Think about Rackspace, right? They host a lot of stuff. They do a really, really great job of hosting content and hosting machines and hosting things for people. They have also been an absolutely fabulous partner to Azure Fast Track in terms of lift and shift. When it's become time for customers to move on and do something different. They want to consume services. So I don't want to make it a sales pitch because that's not what it is. We don't charge at all in my team. We just help. So it'd be nice to kind of just set that here's what we can do for you, perspective. Yeah, that's okay with you guys. Oh, feel free, yeah. I mean, you know how this thing flows. So we'll have time, you know, both hours next week and feel free to talk about it. Well, I mean, since it's the recording I'll be posted, maybe you just want to do it like in the morning session or either one, it's fine. Cool. Cool. Or I can do you a five minute segue, just recall it and send you the recording and you can just plug it in whenever you want. We could do that as well, either way. Yeah. Okay, sounds good. All right, gentlemen, thanks so much and we'll talk to you next Monday. Thanks for hosting. Thanks, y'all. See you soon. See you. Take care guys. Bye bye. Bye bye.