 Hello and welcome back. This time we are in Bodo in Norway, so very up north in Norway, we came back from Micheli in Finland not too while ago and yesterday we did the same workshop as we did in Micheli, so the construction assessment workshop where we tried to figure out with the stakeholders here around in Bodo, what does a circular construction sector mean for them? but also how we could improve it. I think what was very interesting here, again a bit like Micheli so Micheli, if I remember well, is 2,300 square kilometers for 55,000 inhabitants Here we have more or less the same number of inhabitants, but we have 1,300 square kilometers Again, this is almost 10 times the size of Brussels, but it's just one neighborhood or one municipality of Brussels and again surprising, they have an airport, they have a big, well, two waste management companies they have composting, they have a number of infrastructure for a city of that size, which for me are very surprising For instance, here behind you can see the new library, that's where we held the meeting yesterday and it was just new, just around the corner over there there is the new concert hall and they also have a new town hall, which is also very, well, very beautiful, to be honest so it's great to come to these new places to figure out that when we talk about small cities, because 55,000 in my book is small I'm still surprised how advanced, how developed they are, in terms of infrastructure, in terms of circular economy progress and in terms of will to progress Anyhow, what was so different with Bodo? Well, I think what was very new for me, it was that despite the large square meters, the large area of Bodo there was no extraction happening, you know, in Finland, in Mikkele there was a lot of wood extraction there were some other extractions over here, there was little to no extraction there was some gravel of low quality that was extracted in terms of manufacture as well, there is almost nothing, there is a bit of concrete happening, a bit of asphalt happening some EPS happening, but nothing much On the used side, of course, there are a number of buildings and there is a number of construction that are happening in terms of roads, in terms of building, in terms of other type of infrastructure so this is rather typical of any city and that means that most of the materials are imported in the city In terms of waste management, well, as I said, there is two waste companies here there is one private one public and most of the construction and demolition waste pass through them, some of the construction and demolition waste are recycled by how you call it, contractors and building companies the rest is treated at the two waste treatment plants and most of them are already sorted on the on the building sites then the concrete and some others are crushed and reused, well, recycled locally others are sent away what was also very interesting is that a lot of waste is exported as well to other places so let me just show you how the sector looks compared to the one of Micheli that's how the sector looks, as I mentioned before, there is little to no extraction here there are a couple of manufacturing companies but not too many of those and then in the use phase you see a number of things, of course, because a number of things are constructed and we had a lot of information in terms of waste some of the of the waste over here is wood waste, this is incinerated and then some other bits over here are landfill, but landfill is mainly gypsum and then contaminated soil, contaminated concrete, nothing else and then, as I mentioned here, down below you can see the exports and the exports are mostly some parts of manufacturing and then a percentage of the waste that is not treated here so again, it's exciting to come to these new places to learn from different contexts we get to also understand that when we when we preach about circular construction sectors or circular solutions that means completely different things based on the context of the city if you have no extraction, if you have no manufacturing then do you start building new companies here that take care of this waste or that try to reduce importing because they have a lot of resources out here in the case of Norway because the wages are so high perhaps this is not so interesting for the economy here, I don't know anyhow that is what we learned so far from the Bodo case, we're gonna come back in a couple of months in June to have a yearly annual meeting of the project, so I'm really looking forward to see their progress towards it and some of the very exciting things for us that Bodo wants to develop is a 3D modeling tool where we will be able to see flows, stocks, but also some perhaps energy use greenhouse gas emissions and SDGs account, well the SDGs might also be visualized there so I hope we're gonna have a fit integration between our circular assessment method and their visualization and this could be used by others, that's it for now, next up is Sevilla and then Copenhagen, so I'll try to catch up with you later in these places, cheers