 Welcome everyone to Modern Day Debate, we're a neutral platform welcoming everybody from all walks of life. If you're looking for more awesome debates, don't forget to like and subscribe, including tonight's debate on Flat Earth with both of our interlocutors, Flatter Day Saint and Fight the Flat Earth here to help us find some answers. And if you enjoy what either of them have to say tonight, both of our guest links are in the description below. And with that, I'm going to hand it over to Flatter Day Saint for their two-minute opening statement. Ladies and gentlemen, the moment you've all been waiting for, so without further ado, so they call me Flatter Day Saints, my girlfriend calls me Flat Nasty, Craig just calls me Drew. So yeah, I've been a Flat Earther for, I don't know the day, it's been about like four and a half years, something like that. And I've always felt like my whole life has been a lie and that every time I looked up at the sky, I looked like there was a dome, I always had too many questions for the teachers and for authorities and everything. But still, even after being a conspiracy theorist and somebody that doesn't trust the narrative of the news and everything, I still wouldn't even listen to my girl when she's like, I think the earth is flat. I think the earth is flat. And I was like, I don't have time for this. Like, seriously, I really don't have time for this, ridiculous, right? And then one day I watched a video, you know, Eric Dubey's Two and a Proof and something hit me. So like a lot of Flat Earthers I meet, like six months down the road, I'll be like, so what's up, are you a Flat Earther or not? And they're like, I'm on defense. I'm like, dude, that's crazy. I was like, die hard Flat Earther six hours after I found out. I did nothing. I spent days and weeks just studying, watching videos and reading up on it and following it. So I can't speak for anybody else, but like, I love Flat Earth. I will die for Flat Earth. This is my passion. I'm a born again Flat Earther straight up. So, you know, that's how I roll in my neighborhood. All right. Thank you so very much, Flatter Day Saint. And now we're going to hand it over to Fight the Flat Earth for their two minute opening statement. Hey, I'm FTFE. I run the channel FTFE on YouTube where I debunk the absolute batshit crazy nonsense that Flat Earthers come out with. The earth is flat. I'm surprised people even still talk about this, frankly. But hey, it gives me something to do. So there is no evidence to suggest the earth is flat. Absolutely nothing at all. All there is is strawmans and misunderstandings of very basic physics from people that clearly didn't finish high school. I'm not going to be nice. There's nothing to be nice about with such stupidity. I'm here to absolutely destroy in this debate and make Flat Day Saints look like the moron that I absolutely think that he is. Thank you so very much. Fight the Flat Earth. And now we are going to go over to the data presentation of the debate. I'm going to hand it back over for 10 minutes of Flatter Day Saint. Ladies and gentlemen, you have to excuse me. I'm just coming back from a concussion. So I was out for a little while. While I was gone, my channel, Flat Day Saints, and my backup channel, Flat Nasty, FE, Flat Earth Rapper, Simon Dan actually was filling in for me for a week. So I'd like to thank Simon Dan for filling in for me and Mick Toon for filling in on my other channel. You represent Flat Day Saints, Flat Nasty, and the FEMA camp rappers to the fullest. I love you guys. So we're talking about Flat Earth, right? This is a Flat Earth debate. OK, Craig, I'm glad to see you here. I really like you a lot. I've been a big fan of yours. Huge admirer of what you do, what you stand for. I think it's a very noble cause. If I got paid the type of money you get paid from NASA to make children think that we live on a heliocentric cartoon spinning ball that was brought to you by Jesuit Priest in an infinite universe, then I'd probably take the check, too, honestly. I'm pretty broke, so where I come from, we do a lot of things most people wouldn't do for money. But it is what it is. But yeah, I got mad love for Craig, you know what I mean? Even though he doesn't respond to my emails or anything. So yeah, so basically, ever since I was a little kid, I've been wanting to be a Flat Earther, you know? Children think that we live on a heliocentric. I felt like this is my calling. Like this is why I was born in life. I don't think any of you Flat Earthers who are watching this could have lived in a better time. I've heard a lot of people say, why did I have to be born during the apocalypse? Oh, but Mark, the beast is coming. It's like, man, there's nothing new under the sun. Let it come. It's going to be fun, I think. You know what I mean? Get your hot dogs. If you eat me, I don't. And get your marshmallows and roast them because there's going to be a huge fire coming. A firestorm. You know, it ain't just going to get though. So I'm a flat out refuse that mark if it comes. And my mom who, let's say my mom had COVID, right? Metaphorically speaking. And her chart was like this, right? So I told my mom or something came up Flat Earth. I'm like, I told my mom I was going to grow up to be a famous Flat Earth rapper and make a song about Polaris to name it after. But my mom was like up here. And I mean, and I talked to her about Flat Earth. You know, she was all into the, you know, the thing that comes after eight and the thing that comes after 10 conspiracy and everything. So she was a little bit on it, but I started talking to her about Flat Earth, Flat Earth, Flat Earth. I was like, mom, you, you follow a straw or you readers a horoscope thing every day, right? So do you even know how that's made? How they make the horoscope? She didn't know. I've talked to people who've been reading their horoscopes like 20, 30 years, right? They don't know. And I've talked to Christians are like, oh, the horoscopes are bad. We don't mess with that stuff. But in the back of their mind, because their church logo has like a globe ball as their, as their, you know what I mean? So they're representing Jesus Christ and you know, saved through the blood. You know what I mean? I'm not going to quote it pervade them, but you know, you get the picture, but yet they don't believe in the Zeteta cosmogony is really sad. And as a matter of fact, like those are still hard. The people who are saved by Jesus are the hardest people to talk to about flat earth. I always try to hit them with John 312, you know, where Jesus says, if you don't understand earthly things, then you won't understand heavenly things. So I consider heavenly things, things that are like stars, planets, Uranus, the moon, the sun, you know, the ISS, I'm just kidding. No, but all those things that spin around us, I consider those heavenly things. I don't know what, if those aren't heavenly things, then you know, I guess that's up to the interpretation of the person who was thinking about that. So if they don't understand these heavenly things, they're not going to understand their earthly things. You know, it's like, you're going to try to tell me about how to make my roof on my house better and put in windows and make the pain good. All the stuff you need to do, just to have a house, but yet there's no foundation, right? You're just going to put it, you know what I mean? We're just going to build a house. We're just going to build a house on top of a bunch of flat dirt, right? By the way, when they build houses or buildings or anything, they use a plum and a level, you know, the thing with a little water bubble, I'm just saying though. But I guess I've heard from certain people, I'm not going to say any names or anything, but they've read me the dictionary definitional level and they've read me definitions that they've said, they're like, yeah, level means curve. It adheres to the circumference of the earth and everything. So I'll tell people, people like, give me one good reason why you think the earth is flat. So then I tell them, well, water always finds its true level, no matter how big the container is. Yeah, but I said, water can't come, adhere to a spinning ball, right? It'll fly off. Well, there's gravity. I'm like, okay, that's cool. Gravity explains how the water sticks to the bottom of the ocean. No matter what shape that is, concave, convex, whatever, flat, triangular, whatever, water's going to stick to that, adhere to it. But water always finds its true level. Not on the drop of water though, but anything bigger than a drop of water, water is going to find its true level basically. So if you're going to use the argument of like, oh, I can show you water sticking to a ball because you see a drop of water on the back of a ladybug or something. I thought to what you want to believe that's cool. I'm going to dust my bare feet off, wash the blood off my hands. Some people I really care about and I pound my head and pound my head and pound my head against the wall. This one friend I used to have, dude, I punched my hand through a window, dude, it was bleeding everywhere because I was so mad at him. Because after like seven, eight months of talking and showing him hundreds of hours of videos, I would hear him like making fun of me and other people like when I was around but out here. And I was just like, what's up? I don't know, I used to get really angry. I don't want to fight people. I punch walls and everything. I would get so frustrated inside that they couldn't see what I'd seen about the flat earth. Like I was really bashing my head against the wall for a while and I had to kind of step back and just realize that, you know, not everybody's different. I don't know, I've been trying to put my head on what formula is in one, because I separate all people on earth into two categories. You're either a flat earth or you're not, you know? So there's like young creationists, there's Hollywood aliens. Those guys don't get blocked on YouTube. They make real movies by paramount pictures about those type of people, you know, but they try to knock flat earth so hard. There's people that set up channels just to try to make fun of flat earthers like Nathan's duck zoo or Bob's gyroscope, you know what I mean? So like, why would they do that? You know what I mean? It's just, it's weird. Like flat earthers don't go trolling and making up fake names that go in like Glover's chat rooms and stuff. And if you do, then I mean, that's cool, whatever. If you're a flat, I don't think any flat, I don't know any flat earthers with you that though. So we have enough to worry about already. You know, a lot of my family think I'm bad, stuff crazy. My aunt used to be a teacher for like 30 years at elementary school. And so I had her send me all the children's books of Christopher Columbus sailing to America to prove the earth is a globe and he didn't fall off the edge. And I'm like, the question I ask everybody and the main answer I get, why they, why they are so against flat earth and everything. Cause flat earth straight up brings out the worst in people, dude. And I've brought out allegiance to demons, dude. I've seen the demons, dude. I've been punched in the face, talking to somebody about flat earth. I've had, I've been threatened. I've had death threats. You know, I probably like 75 or 80% of the people I used to communicate with family and friends before I became a flat earther, they don't, they don't talk to me at all. You know what I mean? They flat out like, I'll go to their house and they'll be like, tell them I'm not here. So it's like, cause they know, like the first thing out of my mouth is, I'm going to talk about flat earth. You know what I mean? Why would I talk? Why would I talk about anything else? If they're not, if they're not a flat earther and I've already told them and told them, that's all you're going to hear from me, you know, pretty much. So that's how I feel. I could, I can't just be the person who like, the old flat earth is the elephant in the room, dude. And I'm not just going to be like, oh, you know, what did you do on the top snatch or tick bait or whatever those YouTube channels are. You don't mean to talk about post pictures of food or something like that. But, you know, they got everybody distracted. They got everybody wearing grounding inhibitors, you know, you got to rock them J's. They got everybody into what type of food they're eating and everything like that. And people make such big deals out of this stuff. Like women I know with 500 pairs of shoes. Some guys I know have 500 pairs of shoes. That's crazy. I was looking at my closet the other day for a pair of matching shoes. I found like three shoes, none of them matched. I don't care. You know, I only wear shoes if I have to enter a government building. Ha, ha, ha. Nah, but yeah, so I'm really glad that Craig was able to join me here today. Craig's a really good debater. He's one of my favorite. I got a trading card, hopefully autographs, a promulator. Another thing that proves flat earth is just basic. Stars, they circle around Polaris every night. Polaris never moves. Okay, so Polaris never moves. It hasn't ever removed. People will be like, oh, it's moving like this much. Yeah, my lady moves about that much. You know what I mean? She's pretty lazy. She's like Polaris. So I just can't wait to hear what Craig has to say. I love his accent. I can do it pretty well when the time is right. And it's really good to be here. I've never met you before, madam, but it's the pleasure's all mine. Lovely meeting you too. And all right, with that, we are actually going to move into 30 minutes of cross-examination. So thank you very much, Flatter Day Saint, and I'm giving the ball back to fight the flatter. Thank you. That was interesting, I think is the right word maybe. So could you just clarify, summarize your evidence for me? So water, always finding is true level. No matter the size or shape of the container. The Helios say they're what? I don't know, I've read different things they say between 70 and 91% of the earth is water. I don't know, don't quote me on that. But don't quote anybody on that because it changes all the time. If that much of the earth is water, and water always finds a true level, and sea level is the same no matter where on earth you're at, because if it wasn't, you were giving a measurement at the ocean, which would be totally relevant if you lived on a curve. You'd have to get longitude and latitude. You'd have to have two coordinates because there would be, level would be an asinine term. It would make any sense on a ball. There's no true level surface on a ball. So- Well, so that would be perpendicular to the point of gravity. Do me a favor, tell me what level this water is finding here. What level the water is finding? Yeah, that water that's just adhering to the outside surface of that camera there. What level is that water finding? It doesn't appear to be doing anything that you've just said that water, I mean, in fact, show me the container holding that water in place. So are you presenting evidence with this video? Yeah, this is debunking your claim that water can't adhere to the outside of something and that water will always find its level, even though level means perpendicular to the pull of gravity. But please do tell me, oh, you also said that water needs a container. So please do tell me in this video, is the water adhering to the outside surface of the camera? Yes or no? So the question you asked me isn't a yes or no question. So my question, my counter question to you would be, are you presenting a video that you claim to be substantial evidence in your rebuttal to what I said? Okay, so maybe you didn't understand the question. In this video that I am showing you, is the water adhering to the outside of that camera? Yes or no? Let me ask, let me answer your first question. No, no, it's a yes or no question. It's a yes or no question. Is the water adhering to the outside surface of that camera? Yes or no? Okay, so I'm gonna answer your first question, which was, you asked me what level that water is in the picture. You didn't give me a chance to answer the question I'm specifically answering right now, please. Is the water adhering to the outside of the camera? I am cross-examining, so you answer the questions that I specifically asked you. Is the water adhering to the outside of the camera? Yes or no? Then we can move on to another question. That's an interesting point. So I'm gonna go back to the first question because I don't wanna be rude. I don't want you to, I want you to answer the yes or no question. Okay, but you asked the question first. Yeah, okay, we're gonna ignore that right now. My question to you at this point in time, my question to you at this point in time, but shut up, my question to you at this point in time is is the water adhering to the outside of that camera? Yes or no? That is the only question I want answered at this time. Okay, so your first question was, you asked me what level that was. Answer the yes or no question, then we can move on to the level. The question I am asking at this time is is the water adhering to the outside of this camera? Yes or no? Do not answer any other question, that is the question I am asking you. So you're showing me a video that, did you videotape this yourself? Yes or no, yes or no, is the water in this video adhering to the outside of that camera? Yes or no? Well, I mean, you could be showing me a Disney movie. I want a yes or no question. I don't care about anything else. But like, very, very, very carefully. There is a camera inside a sphere of water. Is the water adhering to the outside surface of this camera? Yes or no? I just don't understand the video you're showing me. I don't understand what it is, what's the video of, so. I just explained to you, I just explained to you exactly what it was. Maybe open your ears and I will explain it again. I am showing you. Listen, listen, listen, listen. I am showing, shut up. I am showing you a video of a camera inside a sphere of water. Now, inside the video I am showing you right now, is the water adhering to the outside surface of that camera? Yes or no? I don't even, I don't know what the water is, what water you're referring to in the video. You haven't given me any reference or any specifics of the video. I just explained exactly what it is. You can see the ball of water with the camera inside. I'm gonna answer the question for you because you're obviously too dense to answer a yes or no question. Yes, the water is adhering to the outside surface of that camera, therefore proving that water can stick to the outside of things. Next question, please show me how that water is finding its own level. Well, no, no, I'm gonna answer the first question, which was what level is the water in the video you're showing? I am asking the questions, you do not get to decide what questions you ask, I am cross-examining you right now. The next question I am asking you is, if I answer the questions I wanna answer? No, you answer the questions that I asked you. Now, please tell me, that's how it goes, right? Yes, that's how it goes, now shut up and answer the questions. Now, please tell me what level this water is finding. Okay, so if the ball in the middle of that video that I know you probably videotaped and you and your buddies made that video. Yes, I went to the International Space Station, did this myself. Yeah, the International Secret Society, okay, got you. So, you asked me what level that, what appears to be some type of globular thing in the middle of the screen, is what level is that? I'd have to say that's CGI level, water. It looks like CGI level. We're not going with your claims of it being CGI, I don't care if you think that it's CGI. You aren't qualified to say that things are CGI, so we're going to ignore you making stuff up like that CGI. And we're going to look at the evidence presented as though it is a real piece of evidence. So, in this piece of evidence, where is the water finding its own level? So, do you, I don't know if you know anything about how a courtroom works, Craig, but if this was a courtroom. This is not a courtroom. This is not a courtroom. This is somewhere where we had a format and the format is I am cross-examining you. Therefore, I ask you questions and you answer the questions. Now, the question currently put to you is, what level is this water finding? Well, I told you it's finding its CGI level and it's doing a good job of it. No, I'm not taking me claiming it's CGI. I don't care. I think we're not going to go anywhere from that question. I think we got our answers from both sides. So... So, I'll answer the question then. There is no level that it's finding there. So, water is not going to always find its own level. Debunking pretty much the only point that you made. I do not care if you think this is CGI. I do not care that Moronic Idiot Flat Earthers think that everything shown from any spage agency ever is CGI. That's your problem, not mine. This is a real video. I don't care if you think it's not a real video and this video debunks the claim that water cannot stick to the outside of something and that water always finds its own level. Moving on, the next thing you said is some people have 500 pairs of shoes. Now, you know what? I'm going to fucking give you that one. So, we're going to go to the next bit of evidence that you gave. I say evidence with a mocking tone. The Plaris does not move. Wrong. They absolutely does move at 0.0004 arc seconds per year. On the website, mctune.net forward slash Plaris, you can find documented evidence of Plaris moving throughout the years as sailors had to document the moving positions of the stars so that they could accurately navigate using celestial navigation. In the third century AD, a very famous sailor, a very famous Greek sailor, looked at the point of rotation in the north when he looked at the stars and noted how the north point of rotation was a void, a black void with no stars. Because at that point, Plaris was not at the center. However, now Plaris is roughly in the center, but it moves every single year. In about 20,000 years, it will be the star Vega. Plaris 100% does move. There is documented evidence. Again, you can find that evidence on mctune.net forward slash Plaris. So that debunks your point of the stars being Plaris doesn't move. You didn't give any other evidence, so I don't really know what else I can ask you. What do you say about the Plaris thing? So, you just gave me some made-up number that nobody on earth could ever prove. It's ridiculous. It's documented. Okay, sure it is. Yeah, it's been measured all the time. It's measured at only 6,000 miles per second, right? Because they're able to figure that out, right? Say that again? And also the speed of light stopped me at 186,000 miles per second, right? Because people are able to talk to the light. Yeah? So, like I could show you, I don't know if you ever heard of something called the Flat Earth app where it shows the way. Yeah, that doesn't work. I've debunked that already. It literally cannot predict which way the sun is going to rise. Okay, that's cool. I can show you that video and ask you, which direction is the sun and the moon going? And you go, what is that? What kind of evidence are you showing me? Well, that doesn't matter. I'm just going to talk over you and I'm going to try to be sound forceful and maybe possibly hopefully intimidate you or discombobulate you so you don't know what to say, but like... Yeah, okay, we're talking about Plaris. What evidence have you got that it doesn't move? So I'm focusing back more on your evidence, the video you show me. You never answered my question. You just kind of like... I mean, I was cross-examining you. You're not cross-examining me. What's your question about it, though? You can't cross-examine somebody with a video you show and then not give any source or anything. You're just saying... How do I know that? How do I know that? I know NASA doesn't take out $50 million a day. They get from our tax dollars. I don't care what you think about NASA might do. That is from NASA, that is the source. It's not... Unless you can prove it's the truth, right? You don't have anything to say. I mean, every time I try to talk... What do you think they do with... What do you think they do with $53 million a day? Have really good parties with a bunch of hookers and blow? No, what they do is they have really good parties with a bunch of little boys, bro. Well, that's a fucking horrific thing to say, you piece of shit. Oh, well, you know, it is what it is. NASA's... Yeah, it is what it is. It displays how much of a piece of shit you are, yes. That's cool. Hey, if a piece of shit is not a heliocentric, then I'm a piece of shit all day, bro. You know what I mean? I'd rather be a piece of shit than you. You demonstrate that quite clearly with your own actions. But anyway, the source is the videos from NASA. I do not care if you think it is fake. That does not come into my thinking. You would need to have some qualifications and stuff to prove that it's CGI. It's really not, it's real. I do not care if you say it's CGI. Therefore, it debunks your point. Again, the only two bits of evidence that you gave, and it's not really evidence, it was just claims that you made. You said, water can't stick to the outside of something. I debunked that. You said, water always finds its level. I debunked that. And then you said, Polaris does not move and I debunked that. So... Correct, correct. The video you showed me, let's just say that Israel, and they were actually doing that, right? Yes, let's do that. First of all, there's two things that you totally overlooked. What's that then? Dude, I have all day, so I'll wait till you're quiet to talk. I mean, I don't mind being interrupted, but... Carry on. I'm asking you to... I'm calling the audience to want to hear my voice, Greg. I got a nice voice. I'm a big problem, though. Sure they do. Yeah, carry on. They call me the songbird of my generation. Carry on. Anytime you want to carry on. We're just going to bring you both back to the subject. All right. Yeah, I'm waiting for him to get to it. Greg gets me so discombobulated and my heart rate just goes up. I need my wife to bring me my... Yeah, you get to the point. Okay, so the first thing, Greg, is that... We were talking about water on Earth, right? And so space is not on Earth. No, we weren't. Yeah, I'm assuming they were in outer space when they made that video. We weren't talking about water on Earth. That was not specified at all. You just said water can't stick to the outside of something. Yeah, but I was obviously referring to water sticking to a globe. What do you think I'm referring to water sticking to a camera on the ISS? That's not what I said. Come on. You're trying to make me look dumb, but it's not going to work, bro. You know, I'm not trying to make you look dumb, Greg. I would never do that. Now you are literally moving the goalposts. So, you know, that's fine. If you want to commit fantasies, that's all up to you. Well, the referee is just imagining that the ball was over the line. So we've got to go... We're moving the goalposts. It's a first down. Uh-huh, uh-huh, if you say it. Nah? I didn't hear what you said. I said, if you say so. Well, yeah, you know. Okay, let's look at your claim that water can't stick to Earth as a globe. Well, the Cavendish experiment debunked you there because it clearly shows that mass attracts mass. Water has mass. Earth has a much larger mass. Therefore, according to F equals G, M1, M2 over R squared, the water will be more accelerated towards the Earth and stick to the outside of the globe. That is experimentally verified over and over and over and over. So there's another evidence. And in fact, it's sticking to the outside of the globe. Mass attracts mass. They've never recreated water adhering to a ball, to a spinning ball. Mass attracts mass. Does water have mass, yes or no? I don't know, bro. You tell me. You're the one talking about it. Yes, water has mass. Does the Earth have mass, yes or no? So mass attracts mass. Does the Earth have mass, yes or no? I don't know. Yes, it does. Larger than a drop of water, yes or no? I don't know, Craig. You tell me. Yes, then therefore, according to the Universal Law of Gravitation, FG equals G, M1, M2 over R squared, water can adhere to the outside of our globe Earth. So you just had a bunch of numbers and letters that not only do you not understand, nobody in the audience understands. No, I understand it pretty well, actually. I've derived that myself. In fact, I did the Cavendish experiment myself in the first year of my physics degree. Oh, my God, you're so funny. Okay, so nobody's ever recreated water adhering to a spinning ball. It's ridiculous, but they can recreate... I can show you water sticking to a spinning ball. ...over a bigger disk. You can recreate that on a smaller scale, Craig. I know you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, quantum locking requires a lot of things that do not exist on Earth naturally and is not an explanation for how water would stick to anything. Wait, wait, wait. You completely ignored my point that mass and mass according to... Quantum locking requires a lot of things that they don't have on Earth. They naturally do not occur on Earth like extremely cold temperatures allowing the electrons to flow the way that they do. Quantum locking is irrelevant to the conversation we are having about water adhering to the outside of something. I have given you evidence that water can do it in the form of a scientific experiment known as the Cavendish experiment that absolutely demonstrates how the mass attracts mass according to the universal law of gravitation Fg equals gm1 m2 over r squared. It can be repeated. It can be verified. Go and check out Blue Marble Science who recently built his own and then check out MC Tuner's channel where Blue Marble Science brought that to a conversation to have with Kyle Adams from the Flat Earth Institute of Science. Mass attracts mass. Water has mass. Earth have more mass. Water attracts to Earth. Done. Next. You don't really let me address the points. You contradicted yourself? I did not. Man, bro, you're just going to keep interrupting me. I don't mind, really, but, you know... No, carry on. I'm not going to let you lie by saying I contradicted myself when I did not. All right, guys. We're going to just ping-pong back and forth, get some good sound out there for the audience, send in love out there on the interwebs, and then on Saturdays, St. The Ball is yours. Okay, so, I asked you if they could recreate water adhering to a ball on Earth, right? Then you proceeded to show me a real factual, probably live via satellite happening right now, maybe, image of inside the ISS and there was like a globular thing and you said, is this adhering to an object? So, number one, that thing wasn't... Let me clarify. You did not ask for me to recreate water sticking to the outside of a ball on Earth. To ask that itself is a straw man of my position because on Earth, you cannot take a ball and make water stick to it. Why? Because that water is busy being attracted to the much larger ball known as Earth. So, no, on Earth, you absolutely cannot take a ball and make water adhere to the outside of it the same way that water adheres to the globe Earth. Because the Earth is doing the attracting and is much larger and has much more attraction. However, that does not change the fact that we can demonstrate absolutely that mass will attract mass and do what we say that it does. So, asking for straw mans of things is not a good way to go and makes you look even dumber. Okay. Well, that's cool. I'm not really concerned how either of us look. That's not my thing. By the way, you look great tonight, Craig. But tonight you look extra special sharp, you know. Got your hair cut. You can drag through a head backwards, but please carry on. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I just try to be more like you and less like me every day. Less sea-lyinging. That would be lovely. Sometimes I say, W.W.C.J. What would Craig do? You know what I mean? That's why I got my knuckles tattooed like this. Just like you. Right. So, you know what I mean? I'm not too much examining you. You know, this is what I wrote. Water can stick to a ball. Water is always level. No, it's really not. Some people have 500 pairs of shoes. Maybe. I don't know. And stars don't move. So, I debunked those. I'll tell you what. I'll give you just a minute or so now to present any other points of evidence as I debunked the points that you brought up. Oh, you're giving me a time limit now. So, you're semi... I'm just going to give you just a couple of minutes right now to present another point. Maybe just one more bit of evidence that you've got that the Earth is definitely flat instead of misunderstanding physics and being a douche. So, please, go on two minutes. Give me your best bit of evidence. Oh, Craig. I really appreciate you giving me this time, Craig. You know what I mean? So, back to my point. You contradicted yourself. So, I asked you to demonstrate water adhering to a spin ball on Earth. You couldn't do it. You shouldn't have put your space. You shouldn't have put your space on me or we could prolong this. I have all night. I could go for like 24 hours right now. I'm just saying, though. I know it's later over in your country on the other side of the globe than me. Okay, so you contradicted yourself. I asked you if you could recreate that on Earth. You couldn't, and you even admitted you couldn't because you said the ball, the word recreating it on is too small and water will go to the bigger Earth which we're standing in, right? It's something that's similar to the Flat Earth model with two quantum locking disks going over another larger disk, right? And you said... You said, you can't recreate that with the properties on Earth. So, you were either referring to the properties that they do quantum locking with or from outer space or I don't understand what you're saying because... No, I'm meaning that you have to specifically alter the properties of certain materials to enable the quantum locking. And any kind of quantum locking does not equal a Flat Earth model because there's no such thing. And it does not explain anything that goes on naturally in the world with the observations that we see. So, no. Just saying quantum locking does not rebut any of the things that I've brought up and is not any kind of Flat Earth evidence. Okay, so you said you can't recreate that with stuff on Earth, right? But they're doing it, right? Did you not just listen to the words that I said directly then? Listen, you need to specifically change the properties of material than what they are found in the natural state. Yeah, understand? Is it going in? You've got two ears. Can it go into either of them? Yeah, yeah. Can you change the properties of water and the spinning ball? Even if you change them, however much you wanted to change them, you still couldn't recreate what I asked you, Craig. What I showed you... Why are you asking for straw man's of my position? Straw man? Yeah. To ask for a water to stick to a bull on Earth is a straw man of my position. Really? Okay, so anytime you can't answer something, something you can't recreate because science, you know, observable, testable, repeatable, you can't do that with... Science does not mean you have to recreate it on a smaller scale. That is nothing to do with science. Really? Yes, there is nothing about science ever at all that says you have to be able to recreate something on a smaller scale on Earth. That is a straw man of science in general. Yeah, I'm going to agree with you on that because I believe scientists are scientists, so yeah, you're right, it doesn't... Science, those aren't the things for science, those are the things for evidence. So evidence, observable, repeatable, or observable, testable, repeatable. That's evidence, not science. None of that says make in a smaller form. No science ever says that. No, no, no. Science says that. Everything to do with science and what a model is. There is nothing about science that says you have to be able to recreate something on a smaller scale whilst on Earth. Our position is that that specific thing you are asking would be impossible because the Earth is already attracting both the ball and the water you are trying to pour it on. So do not straw man my position and ask for things that are straw man's of my position. It's a ridiculous way of trying to argue your point because it just shows that you're ignorant of the thing you are trying to debunk. Okay, so if you say what I did was straw man thing, then you did something called globe manning and this is what globe manning is. This is what globe manning is. Anytime you can't explain something, you go, the Earth is too big, it's sticking to the Earth. The curve is too big, we can't see it. Even from 120,000 feet in the sky, we can't see the curve. Both going over the horizon, they disappear, but we can't see the curve because the Earth is too big. Here's an orange, let me get my pocket knife. Let me slice just a T little thing off the top of the orange. Now imagine you're a little molecule on top of that orange. Right, so what you're doing right now is called the fantasy of personal incredulity. Bro, I was just giving you, I was just globe manning you. No, no, no, you are literally saying that you are incredulous about all these things. You can't believe them, therefore they're not true. That is literally the fantasy of personal incredulity. So are you just... I never said I was incredible, you did, but thank you. No, you're incredible, and in fact everyone that's ever loved you was wrong. Well, you know, when I was a baby, I got dropped on my head on the flat ground, you know what I mean? I imagine that's true, yes. Yeah, it is, it was level all the way. Right, so I've done cross-examining you because you didn't bring any evidence saying that quantum locking is a thing does not debunk gravity or anything in any way. Paris does, in fact, move. It's documented. The scientific experiments show that mass attracts mass and water can stick to Earth because Earth's a really, really big mass. I've also shown you literal videos of water not finding its own level and sticking to the outside of things. So I've debunked everything that you brought up as evidence. Even on the ASS, you didn't show me water entering into a ball, though. You showed me water. Want to see water enter into a ball? Want to see water enter into a ball? Here you go. There's water entering into a ball. There's a photo of it. Oh my God. I'm not even, I'm going to throw my Flaturday St. Tataway. You got me on that one. That's a good one. Is that the blue marble you're showing me? No, this is pre-blue marble. This is 1968, one of the earlier Apollo missions. This is the 1972 blue marble, which is a bit of a clearer photo. No. There you go. There's water sticking to the outside of a ball. Let's think about this. If you are allowed... All the stars are all lining up perfectly with their coordinates. The stars behind there... Yeah, so because you don't understand about exposure levels and stuff like that, that's again your problem, more personal incredulity. But I want to quickly go back to your point about quantum locking. So to be able to quantum lock something, you need to seriously reduce the temperature to, you know, as close to absolute zero as possible, right? So if you're allowed to reduce the temperature, hold on, hold on, let me make my point. If you're allowed to reduce the temperature of things so low that it changes the property of things, then I'm going to be able to do that as well. So I can absolutely take a ball and stick water to the outside of it. That water is going to be below zero degrees centigrade, but it's absolutely going to be sticking to the outside of it, changing the properties in the same way that you are changing the properties to allow quantum locking. So if you're allowed to reduce the temperature of things, then you are changing the properties to allow quantum locking. Excuse me. So actually, I know a lot about aperture and exposure. I'm a photographer. Oh, you don't? You're a photographer, Craig? Yes. Are you? I'm a videographer, yes. I'm a videographer and a filmmaker and a video editor. And there is no way that you would be able to have the exposure levels of a camera high enough to be able to make out the details of the Earth whilst also seeing the stars in the background. To be able to see the stars in the background, the Earth would be a white mess. It would just be white and nothing else, because you need to let a lot more light in for that to be able to happen. You need to seriously reduce the levels of light coming in to pick out the details on Earth. And when the levels of light come in at low, it does not show the stars. You said levels. I like it. You know what I mean? You're flat. You know the Earth is flat, Craig. You're just getting that fat check. You know what I mean? Whenever you say yes, yes. NASA pay me greatly. That's why I'm advertising them right there. I know that. It's all good. Hey, you're one of the best gatekeepers they got. You know what I mean? Yeah, cool. Absolutely. I'm a Jesuit Zionist gatekeeper freemason. Exactly. That's right. I know you are. I don't think you're a straight tray. You know what I mean? Right. Are we done with your cross-examining? Because I can go on to some evidence like to see you. Well, Craig, you said that you need to turn the exposure levels down really low to see Earth, right? Because it's too bright. Okay. So how come they want to know? I have two questions now. The first one is why haven't they just taken a picture without the exposure levels with the stars in background? Just so us earthlings can see it look like through the camera. That's the first question. Why do they always turn the exposure levels down to get rid of the stars? Because you can map. You can tell by the coordinates of the stars exactly where the Earth is and debunk them. That's why they never show the stars. They can't. No, there's plenty of times you can see stars in pictures. There's plenty of times. That's a glove that didn't fit, bro. You know what I mean? And on that note, guys, we're going to make some stuff up. We are going to actually move on to fight the Flat Earths 10 minutes of presenting data. So I am handing the ball right back to you, fight planner. Thank you. Right. All I've got to do is be able to demonstrate the Earth rotates in three axes. That demonstrates that both the Earth is a globe and it rotates. So what do we do? Well, let's make some predictions, shall we? Shall we? If the Earth is rotating at 15.04 degrees per hour, as we state, and it is the actual size that we say it is, then that means certain physical effects should be, you know, visible to us. We should be able to notice certain physical effects on things. One of those physical effects in a rotating body is the Coriolis effect. Now, the Coriolis effect will do different things to different items traveling in different ways. One of the things the Coriolis force does is with a pendulum that is swinging freely backwards and forwards, it will force that pendulum's backwards and forwards path off of a straight line path, inducing a drift into the swing of the pendulum. This will change relative to the position on Earth. So if you're at the equator and you set a pendulum swing in, that pendulum is not going to drift. That's what the physics says. When you do the math, that's what the physics says that should happen. If you are at the North Pole, the pendulum would rotate 360 degrees in 24 hours, but it would rotate clockwise. If you were at the South Pole, the pendulum would rotate 360 degrees in 24 hours, but it would rotate anticlockwise. So this means that at different latitudes on the Earth, the drift of the pendulum will be a different amount. So you could make a prediction, for instance. You could say, well, if I'm at a latitude of X in the Northern Hemisphere, that means that the pendulum, according to the physics of a rotating Earth, should drift X amount in a clockwise direction. So how do we test that? Well, you know what we do? We build a big-ass pendulum, which a fantastic gentleman known as the gentleman physicist actually did himself. This is a gentleman physicist. He built a really, really, really big low-tech pendulum in his local high-rise block of flats to test this prediction, right? And he sets it off-swinging. And as you can see, it swings backwards and forwards as they let it go under its own weight, under its own inertia. Backwards and forwards it goes with a little brush on the bottom going through this little ink pad, leaving a trail as it goes. Now, remember what we said, okay? We said that if you're in the Northern Hemisphere, then it's going to rotate clockwise. So what we would expect is to see an angle induced in a clockwise direction. And we also said that based on the latitude, it would drift a certain amount. So what do we do? Well, we let the pendulum swing for as long as possible. The time it will take the pendulum to make a full rotation, T, is 24 hours divided by the sign of the latitude that you're on. This is how you figure out the time that it will take to do a full rotation. So you put the latitude in the north pole, and T is going to be 24 hours. You do it at equator. It's never going to happen, right? So we can use the basic physics and the maths that we understand. And we can make some calculations. So the latitude we are, we can take the arc sign 24 hours over T. And we could figure out our actual latitude as well by looking at what's going on. So we keep 41 minutes past, all right? It lets it swing for 41 minutes, because that's pretty much all the inertia that it's got. It's not going very far anymore. But how do we get T? Well, we measure the angle. Gentleman physicist looks at the angle that has been induced. As you can see, it's been drifting in a clockwise direction. It's no longer straight back and forth. After 46 minutes, it has induced a clockwise drift because he's in the northern hemisphere. The next thing they do is they measure the angle. The clockwise turn means we're in the northern hemisphere, which was one of the predictions that we had of the rotating globe, the size that we say it is. And then we get the angle that you can measure there. You can see it's got 7.89 for 0.688 hours. So let's do a basic bit of math, shall we? And figure out what T is based on that. So the period of rotation T would be 0.688 hours times 360 over 7.88 degrees, which was the angle. And that equals T at this latitude would be 31.4 hours. That means that at the latitude they were at, it would take 31.4 hours to do a 360 rotation if the pendulum was able to keep swinging. But unfortunately, gravity and friction, they stopped the swinging back and forth. So we get the 0.688 hours. Now, using the first formula for the latitude, the latitude equals the arc sign of the 24 hours over 31.4 hours. And we can calculate the latitude that we're at. So based on the data that we gathered from this experiment, the latitude that we would expect to be at is about 49.8 degrees, obviously in the north because it rotated in a clockwise direction. So what is the actual latitude of the gentlemen physicist? Well, the actual attitude of the gentlemen physicist is 48.4, an error of 1.4 degrees, which I think is pretty damn good for the very, very low-tech experiment that he's got going there. But why is this important? Because this can be repeated anywhere on the globe, at any latitude in the northern or southern hemisphere. And you can do that maths and make the prediction. And if it matches the prediction according to science, then that would verify the hypothesis. So if you want to do the flatter fruit of talking about, you know, high school level scientific method, what's my observation? Well, my observation is that the stars are rotating in the way that suggests to me that the earth is rotating. So my hypothesis would be that we're on a rotating earth. Make a prediction. I did that with the clock-wise rotation and being able to predict the latitude. Do the experiment. That's what's happened here. And then you analyze the data. And when you analyze the data following the scientific method, you find out that it verifies the hypothesis of a rotating globe at 15.04 degrees per hour at the size that we say it is. This is 100% evidence that we are on a rotating globe with three axes and that the earth is not flat. I'm done. Thank you so very much. Fight the flat earth for your 10 minutes of data. And we're now going to give it to Flatter Day Saint for his 30 minutes of cross-examination. OK, so I just wanted to point out that you said level four times during your thing. You said he was testing in the flats that he lives in, better level. So, pendulums, right? Ah, pendulums, yeah. We're talking about pendulums here, right? I love pendulums. I love them. You love them. We got to have them. You know what I mean? I got one in the bathroom. You know what I mean? So when I'm sitting down, you know, taking care of business, I got a pendulum right there. Hey, anyways, so the thing with the pendulum is I don't know a lot about pendulums. But what you said, you contradicted yourself a couple of times. You said a lot of globus buzzwords and acted like you were hilarious. You're not hilarious, but you think you're hilarious. So, the first of all, you said the gentleman measured the pendulum in the northern hemisphere. It rotates clockwise. These were your words, right? Yes. You said at the equator, it's never going to happen that way. Then you went on further to say it can be repeated anywhere on earth. So you can do that experiment that you were showing anywhere on earth, the northern hemisphere, or not at the equator. I don't understand. You said three different things. If you do it at the equator and you do the maths, you will find out that it shouldn't rotate. That's the point. When you do the maths to make the prediction, you will be able to predict that at the equator, the pendulum shouldn't drift. And then you would do the experiment and find out that your prediction matches what happened. So when you said anywhere on earth, you invent with an asterisk, silently in a little bubble over your head, you thought anywhere on earth, but the equator, right? No. I just told you, you can do the experiment at the equator. And when you make the prediction based on the maths, you will find that the prediction is that the pendulum should not drift. So you can absolutely do the experiment at the equator with an expected outcome of zero drift. OK, so here's another thing about your little experiment, so you're just going to ignore what I said then. You're just going to ignore what I said then. You're just moving on from that. No, no, we'll go back to that then. OK, so things you're talking about at the equator, they're just speculation. You've never done it. That guy's probably never done it. And you're just doing a bunch of numbers. It's been done many, many times all over the world. I mean, you could say that's cool. You know what I mean? Well, Disney did a lot of things, too, on film all over the world, but that don't mean it's real. You know? Mm-hmm. I can show you a Mickey Mouse cartoon, bro. You can look up the experiment yourself. This experiment has been done all over the world. Yeah. OK, so there's pendulums in museums all over the world, literally all over the world. And if you doubt me, if you doubt me, instead of just going, I don't believe you, the appropriate thing would be to go and do the test yourself instead of just going, I don't believe it's been done. That's just denialism and makes you look dumb, er. Yeah. OK, so I can also go to a museum and see, you know, like a dinosaur skull or anything. That doesn't mean it's real, bro. That's just made out of resin. Dinosaurs are definitely real. Yeah. That's what it's about. OK, so non-sequitur, let's stick to the evidence I brought up. I did not once mention dinosaurs. You're the one that brought it up, Craig. You're the one that brought up dinosaurs. No, I didn't. You dipshit, please carry on. Oh, Craig. Craig, I'm going to put a nickel in the nickel jar every time you cuss. I'm going to be a rich man. Fuck you. Carry on. Craig, that was a quarter. The F-word's a quarter. Remember that. Send a love to both of you guys, and then keep the questions flying. Yeah. When he says that, he doesn't really mean it. Every time we talk on the phone, he works chopping it up, talking about whatever sports team won this. I would rather cheesecake my nipples and have a conversation with you in private. Oh, Craig. Come on, bro. Please carry on. Please carry on cross-examining my evidence. Bro, you told me to get you wanted a Flatter-day Saint Act. Please carry on cross-examining my evidence. Any burning desire questions? Send the cameras on them and act like we don't talk. Okay, so the experiment after 41 minutes ran out of inertia, Craig. Uh-huh. That would mean from the time he did his, the first pull on that thing until the time it stopped, whatever he did, bro. That's like a retarded experiment anyway. That does improve a globe or flat, but every swing of that thing is a little bit different. Each one is a little bit different because it eventually is slowed down. None of them were ever the same. The equal time of swing. Each one was off by a fraction of a second. Do you see what I'm saying, though? None of them were ever the same. The time of each swing will remain the same. That's not true because you said after 41 minutes, the inertia slowed it down. The time of each swing will remain the same. The distance that the swing carries on will not be the same. Okay, then that means the time in the swing is not the same if the distance is not the same. No, the time is the same, but the distance isn't the same. So it takes the same amount of time to do a shorter distance. The coroner's force will be applied perpendicularly along the swing all the way in equal force. I want to say that you're not understanding what I'm saying, but you understand exactly what I'm saying. You're just good at thwarting me, right? And so I'm going to stick to the point. You're talking to yourself. Okay, yeah. That's what my mom says all the time. I mean, that I'm my worst enemy. Each swing is going to be different just by fraction of a second. You contradicted yourself for like the 911s in the open time, Craig, by saying you didn't. Each swing is different. Each swing is different, Craig. Each swing is different until it slows down. Yeah, and the coroner's force will be applied exactly the same along the entire length of however long each swing is. Okay. When you do the mass of the experiment, the distance of each swing doesn't matter. The coroner's force will still be applied in the same manner however long the swing is, meaning that the same drift will be applied, whether it's swinging this far or this far. You do the maths yourself, which a lot of people have explained that. I can take you a bit deeper into it. I can take you a bit deeper into the mass if you like. Shut up. I can take you a bit deeper into the mass if you like, but that's probably as pointless as doing it to my cat. But when you do the mass, you can see that the distance of each swing, which however long you function as a coroner is sufficient. The ocean is not equal to the centre. And water does not change. The amount of chore consonant forces being applied to induce the drift on the pendulum. Craig, nobody in the audience wants you doing it to your cat, Э Box. I think that's against the law. Your experiment about seen the whole point. Basically what you're saying is the whole point of that experiment was to prove choreolas. Am I correct? Is that what you're saying? Earth can only be a rotating globe because it demonstrates the curve and rotation in three axes. That's the only way that the mass works. The only way that the mass works is that the Earth is rotating in three axes at 15.04 degrees per hour and it is the size that we say is that it's the only way that the mass works to be able to make those accurate predictions, which always turn out right. Okay, so you're saying the whole point of that was to measure Coriolis. So how come Coriolis doesn't affect anything else? It does. You know what, that doesn't prove Coriolis. I'm going to make a prediction here. You're about to strawman Coriolis. Please carry on. Okay, so that's what you showed didn't predict anything or prove anything. It demonstrated exactly that the Earth is rotating globe. Just saying it didn't. Wait, let me be clear here. Your debunk is nuh-uh. So a jet that's breaking the sound barrier or flying it like, what is it, like 820 miles per hour or whatever breaking the sound barrier wouldn't have to take Coriolis into effect, but that little thing that's going that slow is affected by Coriolis. Which one of the two things I'm about to mention has a jet engine attached to it? A jet or a pendulum? Okay, so something that's going faster would be affected way more than something that's going slower. No, no, no. Listen, listen. What does an engine do? It means it's not ballistic, it's powered, right? Which part of the pendulum has an engine that is providing a constant force to counter Coriolis? Could you please describe to me which part of a pendulum that is? It wouldn't matter if it had an engine or not, Greg. Yes, it does, because the engine provides a force which is much, much, much, much, much, much greater than any Coriolis force, meaning that for a jet engine traveling, a jet traveling at several hundred miles per hour with a jet engine creating incredible amounts of thrust, the Coriolis force is practically negligible. So the Earth, according to you guys spins roughly around a thousand miles per hour? No. No, okay. You cannot, no, you're not, you cannot spin in miles per hour. That is a linear velocity. Please tell me how many miles per hour an engine spins in. Well, it have RPM. Yeah, not miles per hour. You cannot rotate in miles per hour. That is a linear velocity. The Earth rotates at 15.04 degrees per hour or 0.000694 RPM. That means that at the equator, only there is a linear velocity of approximately 1,040 miles per hour. Now, quick question for you. At the poles, what would the linear velocity of Earth be? If the Earth is a rotating globe? I don't know. Why don't you just tell me? Think about it. Think about it. At the equator, the largest part of the circumference, right, the largest bit of the globe, right, the 15.04 degrees per hour means that the surface area is the largest part of the globe. That doesn't make sense. If a globe is a perfect sphere, there is no larger part. Because the Earth is rotating that way. So, you know, this is the part that has to travel the furthest on the outside of the equator. That is the part that has to travel the furthest to rotate 15.04 degrees per hour, which means that the equator only, that's 1,000 miles an hour. Now, if that's the outside, the poles would be right in the middle. So, at the poles, what do you think the linear velocity of Earth would be? Well, when you say things like poles and linear in rotation and traveling, the answer is zero. The answer is zero miles per hour. The Earth at the poles is traveling zero miles per hour. The Earth at the equator has a linear velocity of approximately 1,040 miles per hour. No, the Earth is not spinning in miles per hour because that's not possible. Yeah, I know it's not possible, Craig. I mean- Yeah, because you literally can't spin in miles per hour, physics says no. If you go to the right, go to the right one, you just said it wasn't possible. I rest my case. What you lose then? Because your case had nothing in it. Maybe some con- You just said that it's not real, though. You just said it's impossible. Because you cannot spin in miles per hour, that is an impossibility. Those things do not correlate. One does not describe the other. So, you rotate in miles per hour, not spin, is that what you're saying? No, you do not rotate in miles per hour. You have a linear velocity in miles per hour. Hmm. This is like explaining physics to a goldfish. Yeah, well, okay, so how do you- how come other like physicists and scientists say that Earth is spinning at such and such miles per hour? You're saying- Nobody, no physicist or scientist in the world ever says that the Earth spins at 1,000 miles per hour. That is flatter for us being too dumb to understand the difference between linear and rotational velocities. It's interesting. So everything you're describing, poles, the rotation would all necessitate that you're coming at it from a place of a linear measurement. Because if space is infinite and it goes in all directions, we wouldn't have- we wouldn't have the stars making a perfect circle in time-lapse photography every night over players. I mean with players in the middle. 100% we would. Okay, so- I can show you it on an actual model if you like. Yeah, so listen, that would be like me being on a roller coaster with a GoPro glued to a basketball and I'm spinning the basketball on my finger while I'm on a roller coaster. We would never see the same thing from every second we look down it would be something different. We would never be able to have the same thing. So I didn't bring up any of that in in in my evidence but I will respond to your nonsense with no you're completely wrong. I'm not surprised. Polaris is in alignment with Earth's axis of rotation which means because if this is the ball of Earth spinning and Polaris is over here no matter where the Earth is spinning from Polaris will still be a point up here that is not moving and if you're at the poles it will be directly in the middle with everything rotating around it exactly like that. It's Polaris is in alignment with the axis of rotation of Earth and the thing about these stars at night is all the stars in the sky that you can see with your naked eye and even with a camera really are pretty damn close to us in a you know cosmic sense. They are in our section of the galaxy rotating around the center of the galaxy with us. So the relative position of the stars to us will change very very little over time unless you are looking far enough with decent equipment to look at different galaxies and stuff that are a lot further away but most of the stars that we see in the night sky are damn close to us in the galactic sense and rotating around the center of the galaxy with us. Polaris in particular is in alignment with our axis of rotation. What we see is exactly what we expect to see. You not understanding that is a you problem. Interesting as I'm watching you talking I'm trying to read your eyes I'm thinking in my mind I'm like does this guy really believe what he says or is he just facts or facts. Like I don't know it's a toss-up sometimes I feel like you know what your saying is not true but you're getting the check but then other times I'm like cool yeah whatever you say dude whatever they do. I'm just gonna check that lucky NASA show money it pays me to talk to idiots like you. You know when I was in elementary school and the teacher told us I don't think you ever went to elementary school please don't lie to me. Yeah so the teacher told us we live on a spinning ball. You never met a teacher in your life stop lying to me. In fact I'm pretty sure that you were home schooled by a particularly retarded hamster of some kind. Yeah I think I think it was you Craig didn't you home school me. Yes because I'm clearly a hamster. Yeah I know. And so I'm sending hearts to both interlocutors and we're going back round and flat. Craig is the man dude I love Craig. Craig almost makes me want to be a glober like I'm this close to being a glober. I mean you are a glober. Everybody's a glober because the flat earth doesn't exist anyone that thinks the earth is flat as a fucking idiot. Hey that's another effort buddy and I'm putting quarters in the jar. I'm going to be rich by the time this is over Craig and I'm going to buy you an ice cream. You put your own quarters in a jar will not make you rich it's just moving your quarters from one place to another. Hey Craig do you like COVID-19 flavored ice cream? That's my favorite I'll beat you. So we are going to go right back to flat earth sending hearts to both you guys having fun though. Okay it's my turn. And so we're about halfway through your cross-examination of fight the flat earths 10 minutes of data. Okay I got him on the ropes right now and I mean his coach is about to pull the towel in dude. You know what I mean? Yeah they used to call Craig Rocky Balboa back in high school. So Craig every you told me a really good story about galaxies and stuff that no human being that's not a 33rd degree Freemason who has been indoctrinated into the high level of the of the luminosity. Yeah let's just be clear I didn't bring any of that up in my evidence please stick to my evidence. No I'm just saying it I'm telling it like it is. So you're you're talking to cross exam in my evidence so my evidence was specifically about the pendulum and how the drift induced demonstrates that the earth is in fact a rotating globe could you please stick to that is that possible? I know one topic is probably hard for your ADHD riddle brain to deal with but please do try. Well the thing is you said if I could stick to that my body's almost all water and so I'm trying to stick to it but you know the gravity arrow that's just pulling me back down Craig. So you brought up a lot of cool stuff about stuff that no normal person would ever be able to know. I didn't I only brought up stuff about the pendulum. No you brought up stuff about galaxies and um. No no no you brought that up and I responded to you remember my evidence the 10 minutes where I presented evidence I talked specifically about the pendulum this is your I know trying to pay attention to rules is difficult for you but this is your time to respond to the evidence I specifically brought up in my 10 minute presentation where I only talked about the pendulum. So but that was you that wasn't evidence of anything. I don't know if the earth is in fact a rotating globe. Just saying it's not does not change the fact that it was. Okay well answer me this if the room that that guy was in let's say was like one of those rooms in a really nice hotel that spins around in one hour while they're eating let's say it was a room like that right. So that room was spinning the opposite direction of earth's rotation would that pendulum be affected by that or would it we've still gotten the same results. The counter rotation would induce a different force into it. Okay and would you would you'd have to say that into account when you're doing your maths. Okay so would wind take an account to maybe altering the way that thing moved to possibly. Yeah but there's not usually many much wind in you know a high rise building to be fair. There's usually doors and windows and you know walls and stuff. I know you might live in a dump store or something I'm not sure so maybe you're not accustomed with like a ceiling and stuff that keep the wind out but. Yeah I live in the hood you know what I mean it's pretty bad right here. All I'm on is a solid flat foundation I don't even have a roof on my head really. Okay so would would possibly a train going by or heavy stomping on the floor or anything like that affect the pendulum too. No really so if you started stomping on the floor during that experiment it wouldn't affect the pendulum. Yeah that pendulum is attached to the ceiling a long long long way above them at the top of the stairwell so stamping their feet at the bottom is not going to affect that. Would an earthquake affect it? An earthquake could probably not the building down. Builders designed in America weren't at that age weren't particularly well designed to counter earthquakes but there was no earthquake during the experiment. No I know I've seen buildings fall from just planes hitting them I mean it's a bad thing. Ah do not do not go there I am telling you right now keep your fucking mouth shut about that all right. Do not go to ground zero. Do not do not. We are gonna please one subject at a time always open to other suggestions for debates but sendin' hearts out there did you have a Friday sink that you have a specific question that you thought about his data? Yeah so I'm just giving examples of things that would have thrown the pendulum's data off right? It would you wouldn't have had this. I mean you say they weren't I don't know that they were I don't even think that experiment proves anything. Do the experiment yourself if like instead of asking stupid questions about things that you're trying to make up that could affect it do the experiment yourself all right do it yourself don't just ask some questions do it yourself do the maths or find an adult that can do the maths for you make a prediction based on where you are and do the experiment yourself. I'm not that smart right I didn't go to school that's what you said look I'm playing I'm playing with my crayons right I'm not that smart so I'm coming from the perspective of a little kid right so imagine if I was a little kid and I'm asking you logical questions because they're logical questions in there they're they're they have merit right just because you say they're stupid yeah they are okay so that's your opinion but I'm still asking him and I'm not insulting you but yeah as I told you then the pivot point of the pendulum is at the top of the flight of stairs they're at the bottom stamping their feet isn't going to affect that at all when neighbor's stuff going past outside there was not an earthquake during the experiment and if you are unsure the best way to do that would be to do the experiment multiple times and get an average of your data. Yeah so you didn't show where that thing was hooked up you're just all I'm going off of this video I can provide you the video that will show where it is hooked up so if that if that were the case that it would affect something like that the rotation of the earth as you as you suppose then if I were to spin a nickel or a quarter from the cluster the rotation of the earth would affect the spin of that quarter would you not agree with me Craig no it would not affect the spin of that quarter but it affected the pendulum right yeah but the quarter is not attached to a pivot point swinging backwards and forwards in a straight line path is it they would affect anything Craig you are you are so it would not affect anything the coriola the coriola's effect affect things that are traveling in a straight line path on a rotating body inducing a drift into that straight line based on the difference in rotational velocity of where it is the linear velocity of where it is on earth. The earth is traveling in a straight line you're saying no you said it would affect anything traveling on a straight line yes as in anything on earth traveling in a straight line not the earth is traveling in a straight line you have two ears and one mouth please use them in an appropriate fashion. Okay so if you said it would affect anything traveling a straight line what if it wasn't traveling in a straight line what if it was doing giant donuts around I don't know the state of Utah then what would it affect it then? The coriola's force will apply depending well it would always if the norman hemisphere will always apply a clockwise rotation depending on which way it's going so straight the line north and south that will always give it directly to the going from the quater north it would always induce a right you know it make it go ahead of the earth's rotation but say you're traveling from you know the west to the east what the coriola's force is going to try and do there is actually in because you're traveling against the rotation it's going to try and force whatever is traveling upwards or downwards depending on which way it's going east to west to west to east but because you can't go down because the ground's there and you can't go up because of gravity it pushes the rotation round to a clockwise direction so whichever direction that you are going in the northern hemisphere you're always going to have a clockwise direction induced on you. So that let's just say for argument's sake that you're right about the experiment which is it's just like okay you say it's that because you don't understand it that's fine no I know I know I mean I pretty much I come here just to get schooled by you and get educated by you you know and sometimes I'm so I'm hard-headed and I need you to cuss at me for me to really learn it helps me to understand you know it helps break through that blood-brain barrier I got okay so has this guy done the experiments in the northern hemisphere the equator and the southern hemisphere has he done the experiments going east to west as you said they would be different than what I know. Irrelevant he doesn't have to do the experiment all over the place experiment has been done all over the place and again if you doubt it you can do the experiment yourself wherever you choose to do it so instead of asking stupid questions like what has it been done here hasn't been done here do it your fucking self why would I why would I do a globe ball experiment I'm not trying to prove anything about the globe because this will demonstrate if the earth is flat or if it is a globe it will tell you one way or the other that experiment wouldn't it wouldn't make a difference if it's flat or a ball would still probably do the same thing bro that doesn't prove anything oh there's no there's absolutely no reason on a flat non-rotating earth that you would be able to calculate the drift of a pendulum based on the latitude there is zero reason that would happen on the flat earth so no this would not happen on the flat earth this can only happen on a rotating globe so that is the two choices you have flat non-rotating or rotating globe which does the experiment lean towards rotating globe that's okay so you can see whatever you want but I mean you could say that the the experiment leads towards a pyramid shape that you know but it doesn't it leads towards rotating globe why are you saying nonsense stuff okay so if the earth is flat this experiment would give nothing if the earth was flattened on rotating wherever you did this experiment on earth you would not get a drift induced okay so your experiment is just inertia something going back and forth and it eventually stops after 41 minutes so just just in that alone it does improve that doesn't prove anything because you're having it's swinging at a different distance every single time until it stops and as I explained that makes no difference to the choreons for supply really yeah because you say it doesn't no because the math says it doesn't the math yes I don't know math could talk well absolutely it can okay you're just too dumb to hear it well you know I'm not going to put a nickel in the sweater jar because dumb is not really a cuss word but you really oh sorry you're too much of a fucking idiot to understand it how does that I thought we were friends Craig I don't know no I would rather like crawl across broken glass and drag my testicles through it than be anywhere near you you know what I think I noticed a lot of LED lights since it began you need to get grounded you ever go outside barefoot Craig it'll alleviate your migraines in your beginning seriously I used to get headaches all the time and I would take my phone and I would go outside and stand on the like dirt yeah cool so about the evidence I brought up you've got a couple of minutes more to try and debunk it what was just talking about the earth you know yeah but I didn't know that going out there in in my 10 minutes of presentation did I once mentioned going outside barefoot no but I just think you'd be a lot less angry and you probably wouldn't cuss as much you know if you if you just went outside and got grounded it would really level you out no pun intended you know I mean Craig I'm gonna wait until you've got a question about my evidence if like let's say at the end of this debate God forbid you had a heart attack because your blood pressure is so high and you get so high strong over these debates then I would feel like I I feel like I was like how come I didn't say anything to help alleviate his stress you I mean those were definitely words but I don't think you managed a single sentence there do you want to try again yeah so try tonight after the debate to go outside and stand for like an hour or two in the earth and if you can find a big tree yes I didn't bring up any big trees in my evidence sorry no I'm just just for your health I was just saying it might help you you know so you're not so angry and everything and so guys we're gonna keep it to the topics I do heart you both again spicy though we do like a little bit of spice you got one more minute and then we're going to go into open dialogue okay so um what if you were to perform that pendulum experiment on the international space station what if dawn bed it would be very different results you would what would the results be I'm not sure I'd have to do the math oh you'd be able to do the math on that one right yeah I know and I know the speed and stuff of the international space station so bunch of math that I'd have to do but yeah I mean I don't know I probably take a like 20 30 minutes to do the math to figure it out but yeah it's it's traveling 8.46 percent faster than a speeding bullet no so I guess it's traveling um about almost 17 to 25 faster than the speed of sound right yeah cool again I didn't bring up the ISS once so just say a little bit you shouldn't be in my presentation I didn't I'm sorry but did you have an injury as a child that prevents you from converting short term to long term memory and actually on that note we're just gonna keep the love right on the debate topic and we're gonna go into 30 minutes of open dialogue before we move into the Q&A the ball is now both of your guys all right you can now move on to a different topic I'm I know you've been dying to say something else stupid so uh go on you first okay so people don't notice a notice earth rotating they don't notice the curvature that you're talking about they don't notice that to people earth looks flat the horizon looks like it's horizontal and so if we were never pulled this stuff we would automatically assume like those dumb people before 1492 that the earth was flat and stationary a linear non-moving non-rotating surface and the sky rotating so why would they assume that because that's what every person observes no it's not it's not what we observe we don't really observe as a sailor I can 100% to show you I can 100% assure you that my observations of the earth are not as a flat non-rotating body when you are at sea you can clearly see that you want a rotating globe so no the observations of everybody does not give you the conclusion that the earth is flat and non-rotating please do not make assumptions for the eight billion people on earth that are more intelligent than you so you said you were a sailor how long were you a seaman for Craig long enough interesting that's cool yes okay so you said when you're out with your other seaman buddies out on the boat um that you can you notice the rotation of the earth being on water uh yeah it's very very clear when you're um at sea looking at the sky and the horizon that you're on a rotating globe what what about that's the assumption that I would draw from what I saw and it's the assumption that many many many other sailors would draw from what they see when they are uh when they are at sea no not everybody on earth would immediately make the assumption that your earth is flattened on rotating maybe people with extremely low IQs like you would make that assumption but please do not push your stupidity onto everybody else hmm yeah so um as a kid we were all told that we live on a cartoon ball and nobody nobody told me ever I lived on a cartoon ball well you just well you were born just knowing that earth is a spinning ball right Craig that you were born knowing that nobody is told we live on a cartoon ball so wouldn't they show us a globe in the classroom yeah it's not a cartoon is it it's not a cartoon okay it's a model it's a it's a toy it's a toy no it's not a globe is a toy it's it's not the globes in the globes in classroom are specifically for education it's only ornamental ones that say that it's not for uh education or anything I can assure you that the globe that was in my science class um was a very expensive globe from the 1960 specifically designed for education interesting yeah so um um someone else says interesting that I know of I wonder who else says interesting that I know of you just said it twice so I know that through the next hole and seeing the light at the backboard at 17 feet off the water the earth is flat if he's holding it up at 23 feet high and we're seeing the light well that's because you're curved so I should only be able to see it when it's at 17 feet okay go ahead and drive down there and we can you're gonna hold the light there Enrique how high is your light I mean I you know it's just um there's we don't see you Enrique lift up your lift up your light way above your head interesting interesting interesting it definitely definitely interesting sorry it's just you kept saying interesting and it reminded me of that what were you babbling about that was a cool little clip where'd you get out from geronism the flat earther nice do you watch his baby truth or show I'd rather cheese great my nipples they do talk about me a lot on there though do they yeah quite a lot him dirth and conspiracy castle can't you know I live in their head rent free it's um it's very empty and cold that's right you're good I mean you're a good person to talk about you know you know you're a good dude and uh you have a really nice voice um if you say so if people talk about you Craig it's just because they're jealous of you you know take their insults as compliments Craig because I practically killed the flat earth and it really pisses them off you came back you were like um Nightmare on Elm Street part four because like didn't the flat earth die a long time ago like in 1492 yeah it's it's been dead for a long time which makes it even more amazing the ebrewish went backwards for people like you um anyway so so any evidence any evidence the earth is flat anything that we can talk about well like I said it's observably flat and it's observably non-rotating it's not though I disagree okay but to anybody's common sense that's what they see when they look on the ocean it's flat I disagree and so does practically everyone that I know well I don't know who you know but I know you know some hard-hating people up there you know um but I I I don't think that's true Craig because I've experienced growing up on earth and I see what everybody else sees you know are you sure you grew up yeah I I mean I could I try to grow up to be like you you know what I mean wwcj what would Craig do you know in no seriousness did you never have any children that lived um well I think I must have lost oxygen for like nine minutes and 11 seconds I I agree anyway about this flat earth evidence have you got any you're taking me back to ground zero okay so I don't want to have sweet old flat verse round earth send in love to both of you and the thing is I'm not really debating that it's round I actually agree that it's round like a dish you know like so like the clock on the wall have you got any evidence that the earth is flat you can talk about what evidence that water is level cool level means to conform to the curvature of the liquid parts of earth surface so interesting so you just proved my point so it curves to the liquid part of earth surface regardless of the surface like this or like that or flat right what I'm not gonna show you the liquid parts of earth surface you can see them here and they appear to be curving so level would mean conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of earth surface the curvature as you see there makes it a sphere so level would be you know that curve there all right Craig I hate to do this to you but you brought the picture back up so I'm gonna bring that picture so you said that they have to turn their exposure down otherwise the earth will be too bright if they wanted to have the stars in background that's funny because on earth I don't need to turn my exposure down to catch the moon with the stars behind it from earth yeah but you won't be able to get much detail in the moon the only way to be able to get a lot of detail in the moon would be to change the exposure so the less light is coming in you can pick out more details on the surface of the moon if you have the exposure set high enough to clearly see the stars then the moon will just be a big white blob with a couple of dark patches on that's what happens don't tell me you're a photographer because that's another lie okay so how come we don't have any pictures of the earth with the stars of just the natural picture that we get of the giant of the giant bright earth it's too bright to see any water there's no pictures of that Craig there's no pictures of what of how you describe the earth as being too bright to see the water if you want to have the stars in the background so you have to turn on the exposure where's the pictures with the exposure not turned down just the natural pictures uh it's probably loads of them just go and look but the cameras in space that are taking photos of earth are probably not set up to have bad exposure levels none of this is evidence that the earth is flat you're not understanding how cameras work and asking why there isn't photos or something that is not evidence that the excuse me that the earth is flat excuse me i don't need to present evidence is something that's obvious Craig yes you do yes you do we are here for debate a debate requires you to present evidence you have failed spectacularly so far so i'm going to give you one more chance do you have any evidence that the earth is flat yeah sea level you said water adheres to this to the earth's spherical surface right so i didn't argue that i was saying water will adhere to whatever the bottom of the container is but i'm not talking about the bottom of the container Craig i'm talking about the top of the water sea level you know the term that they use all over earth to determine how high a plane is or how high a building is or how high a mountain is and many other things too many other interesting scientific things what are you babbling all about you just say Babylon i'm not a Babylonian bro so you're saying water sticks to the surface of this spherical earth that adheres to right and i'm not just saying whatever shape the bottom of the ocean is whether it's a level or a curve or a curve that's been leveled this that and the other i'm not talking about the bottom of the ocean i'm talking about the surface of water you have a point to maybe so it's level that's why they have the term sea level so it's not called sea that's not that's not why they have the term sea level oh yeah okay sea level is just a mean you know a mean position above the surface of the earth and it literally means conforming to the curvature of the surface of liquid parts of our surface and sea level is going to be perpendicular to the center of earth wherever it is now here is the photo again but this is a picture of the negative that it appears on you can see this negative itself in a museum it's not CGI of any kind it's a real photograph stop misunderstanding how photos are made and making up nonsense okay so i'm looking at the picture you just showed me you said that's a real photo it's not CGI so you're saying the the words in red that says where's your CGI now are actually written on the earth and they're oh you're fucking moron that's obviously put on it you said that's a real picture real picture we have some writing on top of it the picture itself is not CGI you complete another fucking moron well you said that picture i'm i'm taking yeah okay we get it you're dumb you're playing a dumb character that makes you even more dumb do you have any evidence here if it's flat i do like getting spicy but we're just send it back to flatter day saint just gotta ask the question it's okay i'm i'm used to being talked to like that you know i am surprised i have learned i've learned disabilities and stuff like that so actually when you install me credger actually makes fun of the handicap i i'm just making fun of you i'm specifically making fun of you yeah but i represent the handicap people you know you represent nobody you nobody would want to be associated with you nobody on the planet would want to be associated we're just gonna go back to the ideas but heart you both yeah i'm i'm waiting for him to give some evidence that the earth is flat it's all right i don't know why you gotta bring up steven hawkins for man just because he didn't want you didn't bring up steven hawkins once i am specifically insulting you because you are a fucking moron please get to some evidence all the other flatterers call me the steven hawkins of the flat earth world though like you know i mean i'm steven ever done you've got any yeah so you said that it adheres to the surface of the earth but the surface of water is always level water doesn't bend kreg no matter how many times i mean doesn't make a disagree disagree water is always curved there is not a single time ever where water is flat that's weird why do they call it level then i'm just wondering why would they call it because level means level means conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of earth surface curvature curvature the liquid parts of earth surface this surface that is curved the curvature level is curved according to the earth when you are specifically talking about the earth level means curve that's why get it so when you're talking about the earth level means curve but when people say they need to use a level to measure something are they talking about something in outer space because you said level level is very different to the adjective word level so did you not do english at high school no what am i talking about of course you didn't fucking go to high school yeah so in outer space levels level but on earth level means curve right am i correct no matter no you're just making stuff up no the tool is not the same as the adjective of the word level hmm no and i do you know what an adjective is do you know what an adjective is what a what is batman an adjective i thought you said batman i'm like why you gotta bring up batman for just because i like to dress up like him so where did you fucking get batman from jesus christ you said i like to dress up like batman i don't do that i thought that you said you have a strange accent bro i just miss a dress up as batman and we are going back to the flat earth but yeah i know i've been waiting for him to give some evidence and he just keeps saying level uh the you know water's level and i've agreed with him that water's level but level means conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of earth's surface which is clearly curved as i've shown in the images of the earth being curved so am i to make the correct assumption that that is the limit of your evidence for the earth being flat so you haven't really read the revised version of the Oxford dictionary but it actually says level is uh water conforming to the curvature of their surface and going back to being level so you have i i don't know level always means curved when it's talking about the earth's surface can you move on from this point because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about so do you have anything else i don't have an idea what i'm talking about about level meaning level you don't know what level is so Craig you're doing double speaking to gaelian dialect bro so you say um your ignorance of what i'm talking about does not mean that it's double speak so Craig you sound really intelligent to people that are under the spell of heliocentric religion bro yeah cool evidence you got any yeah the word level it's level yeah yeah but level levels curve so it's fine level does not equal flat you're absolutely okay so if it's cold outside if you go to mctune.net forward slash level you will find over 45 citations confirming that level when talking about the shape of the earth means curve in fact according to surveyors the true level is the curve of the earth what is that is that all the information from mctoon's basement or where where where where can i find this at mctoon's house mctune.net forward slash level uh reiki wants to debate me yourself you can please shut up with your ignorance in the chat it's the guy that always eats skittles mc right down his website yeah mc tune so let me hold on let me go to mctune.net forward slash level and you will find 45 citations may be more that the curve uh the level means conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of earth's surface or something along those lines showing that level is in fact curved so do you have another point we have debunked that one okay okay so let me write down the name so that's spelled m c f l a t t y that's mctune's channel right y o u r e a d i p s h i t great you you talk so fast i i you know i have cerebral palsy and epilepsy so my hands are all shaking and everything like that it's hard for me to write down these yeah sure whatever cool um you know more being a piece of shit brilliant well done you know what i mean all right so let's i'm going to show you evidence that the earth is curved then if you've got no evidence that the earth isn't curved okay so uh with that picture yeah but uh this is the back and forward conversation and so far you've given nothing whilst i've tried uh to give you a chance to present evidence all you've done is be a dipshit so what we're going to do is i'm going to show you something now and we're going to have a quick discussion about that Amy how long is the 30 minute back and forth so we have about 14 more minutes about halfway done a little bit more i do apologize to the audience for i'm subjecting you to this more on so um oh craig is craig craig craig i love you uh i do not love you uh do do do so um here is a video by reds rhetoric um he is looking across the lake where where he lives across the water in florida and uh he's taken this lovely lovely image uh you can see of these buildings um for some reason the bottom of them appears to be to be missing it's very interesting so what reds does is he blinks between the image that he took being far away with part of the building is missing with an image of the same buildings taking much closer up now uh as you can see as it blinks out approximately a third of the buildings seem to disappear from the bottom um and as you can see the actual squishing and distortion is very very minimal uh so the bottoms of those buildings there there's two things we can conclude from this either those buildings somehow magically appeared underwater and somebody needs to send help for all those people or there is something blocking the view of those buildings i hypothesize that that is the curvature of the earth and you know what measurements verify my hypothesis so this is more evidence that the earth is curved and not flat what do you say to that i'm going to get something stupid you're showing me um two different pictures of different buildings right now you flash from one you the same i'm showing you the same pictures of the same buildings anything so the picture with the like the more blown out picture that's that's more brighter uh one of the buildings has like a white uh jet as a pyramid on the top yeah and that's to the right um it's slightly off angle uh if you can see the building you do um it's sorry let me mute the sound my bad so you can see that the pyramid's here the front uh that's that building right up in the middle there um and then as it blinks to the side you can just see it you know it's more over there um so behind that building two totally different buildings that you can see the bit shut up and let me talk the building in the middle is hiding that building behind it with the pyramid you can just see the start of the pyramid to the right of the building in the middle the picture taken further away is slightly more of an angle to the left allowing you to see it more closely no two totally different pictures it's not two different pictures it is of the same place at a slightly different angle but you can literally link up the top of the buildings that building to the on the right with the pyramid shape you want in the um one closer up is behind the building in the middle so the one when it's taken further away is an angle more to the left they are the same buildings going not just makes you look stupid so let's just for argument say they were even though they all look like totally different buildings that they are the same okay so the both of those pictures are taken from the same place right in the same distance no no they're not one is taken closer one is taken oh my god do you not listen to anything that is ever said what what do you mean what were you talking about fuck sake you're talking about the pictures right not the people and i explained to you how one is far away and one is close and so we got 10 more minutes guys and then we are going to move into our q&a section yeah um can i just quickly say people in the chat that are like oh why are you being so rude to this person um that's because you probably haven't encountered this person before he is one of the most horrific horrible piece of the shit that i have ever met in my life and the way i'm treating him is actually nice compared to what he deserves um you'll be charged Craig guilty is charged and i'm sending love to both ear locketers joining us on our round versus flat air debate i got mad love for Craig you know what i mean i do not have love for you and like i said anyone who has ever loved you is wrong when when Craig when Craig calls me a turd or you know the f-word or whatever he really means that he loves me just like when he says level he really means curved if i call you a turd if i if i've got to a third i have to sincerely apologize can i just take a second if i've called you a turd flatter day saints then i from the bottom of my heart give my most heartfelt apology to every turd on the planet for associating them with you i got that 1491 flat on my fingers so Craig every day for you is opposite day so when you say one thing it really means the other it's like groundhog day so just ignoring the evidence i just showed of the curvature of the earth then just just moving on from that huh so you showed me two different pictures and it had nothing to anything about curvature it's two pictures of the same buildings taken one close and one far away showing that when you are taken far away a third of the buildings is covered by the f-ing ocean there's another quarter in the swear jar for your Craig i'm going to be rich by the end of the show i'm going to split the money with you though but wait what we're talking okay so if you were to put a like a flat piece of paper up to the line of this the sea level or the sea curve whatever you call it it would be flat and i by saying flat i don't mean curved i mean flat like yeah nobody thinks that flat means curved um and with a low field with a low field of view like that um i mean that's probably what like two or three miles across that you're seeing there um you would not expect to see very much of a curve at all in fact two or three miles would be like you know one sixty ninth of a degree so you would not expect to see hardly any deviation in fact there would probably be more deviation in the flat sheet of paper than there would in that horizon you said 69 that's cool got about five more minutes guys if you have either of you have your burning desire questions for each other round versus flat earth now's the time Craig uh for my next rap song i'm gonna do another i'm doing another flat nasty song on my youtube channel flatter days every rapper in the world has just found me and said please stop doing rap no i'm climbing my way up to the top of the flat earth rap charts bro cool story bro yeah so anyways um would you do the introduction because normally i go ladies and gentlemen welcome to the flat you know so on so would you would you be willing to don't have a freaking thousand subscribers what the hell is going on and heels who was that Craig who was that oh you hit me with a bat that i like that hey would you would you be willing to wear the batman suit and to introduce me like for my next song i'd be honored and all right if there isn't any more questions we are about to switch into our Q and A format so feel free to tag me at modern day debate or Amy Newman in chat so i can get your burning desire questions for either of our interlocutors and super chats are turned on so we're going to be going for 40 minutes more and if you have that question right in your heart that you want read out loud feel free to send those in but five dollar super chat from caucasian sensation flatty cakes a triangle has side of one mile by 5200 feet by 1760 yards what are the internal angles of the triangle um so i believe that's a three coordinate mouth problem i believe the first one would be 911 inches by 320 centimeters by 846 millimeters if i'm not i might be off by a little bit but the numbers are there and the mouth is good continue and five dollar super chat from corina she says i love this channel heart heart heart send in hearts right back to you and then caucasian sensation ask once again for five dollars this one is for Amy why do you do this to yourself lol this kind of abuse is only fun to us crazy people i'm having a blast but i'm sending love right back out to you caucasian sensation because we are just addicted to some debates all right five dollar super chat from tim prior just join in any flat evidence this time we're more of trying to debunk something they don't understand is that to me or uh is that to cred that sounds general statement on how dumb you are he's asking generally is there any flat evidence flat earth evidence this time or are you just trying to debunk something you don't understand spicy so i didn't i didn't understand the globe model my whole life until i became a flat earth or and then i understood that it's fake it's cartoon trickery it's witchcraft and they got the veil over your guys's eye do you guys know and you're pretending not to know or you have your you've got the veil under your eye and the skills haven't fallen after eyes yet so you know it is what it is there's no rhyme or reason why anybody's a flat earth or not i could there's no you can't predict it it's like craig the things that he's gonna call me you never know what's gonna fly out of his mouth i'm just ducking and dodging but craig if i want an accent should i send an axe at you if i want an accent would that be correct sir and another five dollar super chat from a JDT turbo show us an experiment following the scientific method that shows us evidence of a flat earth question mark bonus points for knowing what the scientific method is oh yeah so um electromagnetic wake um second law thermodynamics entropy adjacent and um uh non-linear i think that should do it i think i gave him a couple extra bonus ones there five dollar super chat again uh a two dollar super chat from JD turbo how did Adam and Eve's three sons have kids who's Adam and Eve is he referring to somebody like that i would know might have been hinting biblically but i don't want to read into that myself we're gonna get us back with Caucasian sensation for five dollars flatty patty you're a pro at BSing you're way through conversations your tactics won't work on craig but it's fun watching you squirm well craig has me up against the ropes you know i threw in the towel a long time ago but my coach who likes to yell adrian wouldn't let me throw in the towel you know i mean craig a craig roughs me up last time i had a altercation with craig i ended up in a uh in a kelma um for a week um but uh that was hereditary horrendous but thank you for asking i'm doing fine though thank you five dollars super chat from the craw daddy 029 flatter day do you accept that apocalyptic meteors are real not any specific event just in general i don't even accept that i'm real you know me no i'm i'm real you know i mean um craig's real meteors i i believe that um this is what i believe or i can't prove it but i believe that when you see shooting stars if it's not some type of government uh aircraft what they are is they're uh they're demons fallen angels that are trying to hold on to the firmament to listen to the celestial being speaking the the tongues of angels and then since they're not fixed they get tired they fall back down that's why disney you know pushes so hard to wish on that shooting star hollywood bowvard it's got the star they want you to worship one of the most mainly idiotic things i have ever heard at no point in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it and we're going to just keep is a good movie good one good one we are moving on to a another five dollar super chat from jd turbo thank you so much for your support jd's in the house jd s fight the flat earth can you spin your chair at 15 degrees an hour be careful yes and not fly off of your chair here we go i am going to spin on my chair the exact same speed that you're rotating ready i'm doing it i'm doing it right now i better hold on i'm still doing it correct doing it he's doing it he's doing it wow five dollar super chat from sunflower flatter day 15 miles per hour is relatively slow right if you were to spin 15 miles per hour in your desk chair you might die rpm is what matters for spinning objects did she say rm uh yes he did the group rm rpm ah rotations per minute now you're speaking my language i studied science engineering at uh no you didn't know yeah i actually was a runner up for a member no you weren't the 320 stop talking nonsense and all that note yeah um the only person who died is when they spin in their chair going 15 miles per hour is people that dress up as batman i'm just saying no peep the halo over the head i mean everyone's got a bat costume it's just the fact that everybody has a bat suit i mean yeah it's a fact right everybody's got it well if you don't have a bat suit how do you dress up as batman you fucking idiot we are getting to the real questions today we're coming back job for you i'm going to be rich i'm telling you round versus flat as we go into another five dollar super chat from fat man flatter day saints go back and listening to listen to your opening statement when you're sober and see how incoherent it was he's never going to be sober breaking the fighting words and any comment or yeah so uh hi my name is flatter day saints and i'm an alcoholic i just wanted to say that uh politics make sorry you said it's shit wrong yeah so um since we're speaking about this rotation and you're showing a picture of nathan thompson fine-looking fellow there and young good-looking chap nathan thompson once said that the only people that feel the earth spinning are people that are drunk shorts out to nathan thompson more spice coming our way five dollar super chat from tim prier omg how delusional are you he did not bring up dinosaurs ding dong talking about dinosaurs i used to love dinosaurs when i was a kid till i found out their fate none of the none of the um dinosaur skeletons and any museums are actually real they're made up of resin that has that uh has actually ground up mice and um frog bones as part of their resignation and if you look on their website they get it they pay a lot of money for these um resin um skeletons of dinosaurs they'll even say that none of the real dinosaur bones are for the public to look at they're behind lock and key only for smithsonian employees to look at only no civilians are allowed to look at them that also sounds like another juicy modern day debate and we're gonna bring it on back around to the round and the flat with a twenty dollar super chat from farin salas thank you so very much for the support fds since any video evidence ever shown in support of globe evidence is cgi what characteristic should we look for or observe to determine it is cgi should we also assume you debating tonight is just a cgi version of you bro when you look at me you cgi joe you know what i mean because i'm a soldier ha ha feel me oh we're gonna keep on moving thank you so very much farin salas for the support we are sending you hugs but a five dollar super chat from steve 64 64 flatterday saint could let's move in sea level mean the same as height stage or point interesting so they are references to something that you can measure on a linear measurement so no matter how so the height point whatever the you know all the buzzwords he just said whatever those are all those are all measurements not from ground level because that could differ anywhere right but from sea level so they don't call it ground level because obviously the ground differentiates in everywhere right you see mountains you see valleys yada yada yada nothing called ground level as far as like their measurements when they're the distance of an airplane or the distance how high a mountain is or a building it's all measured at sea level because sea level not on the bottom of the ocean like kreg always likes to bring up but on the top where the water lays flat and stationary you have a truly level surface anywhere in the world sea level is the same anywhere on earth survey says no two dollar super chat from k lewis loser of debate is the chat for being so humorless well i'm sending love out to chat and everyone out there in the interwebs thank you so much for joining us tonight and thank you so much k lewis for your super chat and all right five dollar super chat from holy smalls bless you fight the flat earth you are the patron saint of self punishment we can just pretend that i asked a very important question if you want yep so um this i was actually in the past life i was evil i was like a horrific evil being in a past life and this is my penance that's true he was he's he also in this life too hey man no one wants to talk shut up don't try and get involved in my joke no one wants to hear your stupidness you're taking the peace out of it and no one's asking you to talk to me five dollar super chat from fat man fight the flat earth you said he's someone dumb who's playing dumb which makes you more dumb is the insult of the year and dumb means smart because level means curve black means white and bad means good and sick means ill right gotcha yeah sure oh and i'm a quick shank in the chat i'm horrible to nathan thompson because you know he deserves nothing more than being horrible to he shouts at kids and beats his dog five dollar super chat from urges flat too big dumb movie for all three oh here we go here's the icebreaker of tonight star wars sequels or prequels uh the prequels i don't think the prequels were terrible movies um i personally enjoy movies about uh you know blockades of trade routes um but the sequels let's just say disney killed star wars i think the people who produce star wars in disney should be put to death slowly no one cares what you think no one cares whatever you have to say literally nobody cares what you think not one person on the planet has any any care about anything you've got to say i just want to say for the record modern day debate is okay with disney being alive anyway as we move along we only have it looks like a few more super chats so we'll move into the regular chats for the remainder of the time but if you want your burning desire question read before the debate is over send those super chats in to move them right to the front of the line but five dollars from holy smalls fight the flat earth i know you're scottish but do you have to keep talking to sheep oh thank you yes uh i i i'm i'm obviously clearly scottish um that's a joke from a previous debate so it's a bit of an inside joke two dollar super chat from johnny rock you going to flatter the fast fl at flattoberfest you go into oh god fast in sc sub to dirth it flat i think that's free uh for you Friday same you go into flattoberfest um no unfortunately uh i'm not gonna be able to make it you know um i actually have my uh my madurna my second madurna scheduled for that day so i don't want to be late for my madurna my madurna i never meant to hurt you i gotta go get my madurna though that's my top priority you know it's not about me it's about protecting people around me so unfortunately i my madurna takes a precedence of the flattoberfest but thank you thank you for asking i appreciate the offer and a five dollar super chat from caucasian sensation so as an addict in recovery you're pretend drinking eating bananas with the peel on and chewing on crayons is an attempted scapegoat for your idiocy uh oh the spice is coming craig i think that wouldn't for you addressing you craig i'll let you handle this one is that for craig you're retired well i will say this it was for whoever was drinking and eating bananas with the peel on we're gonna put it with of course the thing is even monkeys understand that they should peel bananas and all right with that we're gonna move into some questions from mark read what's up mark fight the flat earth is that true do you get money from nasa herpaderp yeah of course i get what's called my monthly shell check um and because my channel is very close to 50 000 i get my monthly bonus um and also i've been invited to take part in the annual um break dancing competition that we hold on the secret nasa moon base um mc toons actually the referee this year because he's been told he's not allowed to enter anymore because he's too good and no one else stands a chance from michael watch i think this was going out during your intro flatter day saints with the spice when will he present evidence yeah so the whole time i was waiting for craig to present evidence he never really did he showed me a bunch of cgi and said a lot of uh globes buzzed words and he thinks he's hilarious he's not hilarious but people like craig who think they're hilarious really aren't hilarious at all and so we had you know maybe he'll present evidence one had the same question from alan so looking for any evidence there moving on to mark read what the actual mark does this have to do with flat earth shoes is that true i believe so i don't know as you can see homie i'm no mask no shoes no nervous i don't i don't know if you're asking me questions about shoes i'm probably the wrong person i don't wear them so you know i'm not equipped to answer that question i think they're allowed to hey nobody's getting grabbed so the reason he doesn't wear shoes is simply because he's unaware of how to tie shoelaces and question from debt rusty garter rail bear how is the wooder adhering to the camera with no gravity so gravity isn't causing it no one asked if the gravity was causing it the claim was that water could not adhere to the outside of anything and i debunked that claim um however gravity uh is demonstrated via every experiment ever that demonstrates gravity is real like the camondish experiment the shahelion experiment the eddington experiment 1919 pound replica experiment and all the lago institutions um so yeah what about if you threw a magnet and stuck to a fridge does that demonstrate gravity too i'm sorry i all i heard there was derp derp derp derp question from kassandra how do you know it's cgi what methodology did you use to empirically demonstrate that claim um i didn't what i asked craig was for him to demonstrate it and where the where the source came from he couldn't i said it's a massive that it could be cgi you know but i think the last picture of the globe where it had red writing on it i don't think that's cgi not just because craig said it but it looks real and i could tell if something's real and that globe looked real with the red writing that was definitely not cgi so craig won on that one we got a bunch of more super chats coming in thank you guys so much for the support ten dollars from dave fear amy last time harold spewed misinformation on covid cancer and viruses don't spread at what point do you stop dangerous mince info that could get people killed all in the name of neutrality and i will say we do want to stick to the topic i apologize if it looked like anything was going through we do want to it's a balancing act we want to let everybody finish their statement and what they're saying but we also want to follow youtube's to us thank you youtube over lords as well as we want to keep things on topic just because that's what the audience came here to see and so sending love thank you so much dave fear and moving right along five dollar super chat from andrew rounds it must be the balding head of yours that lets you fit in so much truth is that is that to me i mean i do have a receding hairline but that's what happens when you get to 38 and talk to flatterers every day frankly i'm surprised about any hair there craig i thought you've been 33 your whole life i'm sorry i i do not speak more on you're gonna have to try english i'm just saying though nope nope sorry i'm just getting more on i do not speak more on try english i thought you were 33 bro that's what you told me last time right nope nope i'm just hearing derp derpy derp derp every time dollar super chat from harold flatter day saint that's me oh my my my lordy it was just like the comment before is now commenting on this well if you get where i can put it in the craig jaw the cus john i'll be rich but it's about this i'm trying to think how to please do you have any evidence that nasa is spending their budget on anything other than space and science equipment we'll put it that way any any any evidence of any larger conspiracy um so the main thing i like about nasa and what they do with their money if they were real is like this is the the one thing about nasa and iss that makes me believe it's real sometimes i'm like dude it's gotta be real because they pee in the in this machine and it filters their urine and then they drink it as coffee the next day and i'm like if that doesn't scream reality to you then nothing else will so my i if i were glober which i almost am because that once a p machine gets modified one either well you know i mean the p machine's gonna bring me back to being a glober they're they're sipping that that astronaut piss is coffee it uh i understand in some countries and in some galaxies it's actually a uh a very very fine shot in it you know when it goes when space coffee goes into outer space and the zero gravity it turns into a low type of wine so you don't need the toilet anymore why because your body has reabsorbed all of what was contained in your bladder that you would consider waste but it's not waste or your body would there's no way it would reabsorb it sorry nathan what was that i i don't know why nathan oakley interrupted there my bad i do apologize oh you know nathan you know nathan are your friends with him kreg are your friends with nathan oakley hey guys do you want to hear a funny story while we're all chatting here that i'm taking a first grade earth nathan that is not appropriate and a two dollar super chat from i think fight the flat earth should get a cut for great moderation good job out there right i do try he's the judge jury of the executioner can you put me in my place five dollar super chat from andrew rouse fds's balding head your hairline is great fight the flatter oh thank you it's not though i really do have a receding hairline all right move in right back on to regular questions but keep on sending those super chats in rolling rock ask is he eating the banana with the skin on so we're going back to bananas ladies and gentlemen yep he is because he doesn't understand things that monkeys understand we all come from monkeys right kreg one day all the monkeys that are in the zoo shall become human at a 15 degree rotation that's called the monkey olas effect tell me question from iron horse it's stupid where's earth if not in space where's space if not in earth i'm just saying though you're saying nonsense like normal kassandra asks gas doesn't fall tell that to the sulfur hexafluoride carbon dioxide argon freon radon and more uh-huh what about tomorrow on i'll tell it to moron too oh wait i'm sorry um it appears that nathan tomsen has something else to say special platter and drug discussion we got 140 000 members in there the group was just deleted a few minutes ago oh we know and that was very funny and a two dollar super chat from j d t turbo flatter have you used a telescope he doesn't know how to do that i didn't know how to do so i've used an icon p1000 i actually i abused an icon p1000 like it was a like it was like it was a little boy making rainbows in a man's basement i abused it i'm just saying on to youtube why did cavin ish have to move his cat but the moon was okay to just stay in the sky pulling on his experiment well uh the cat was moved um because it was literally trying to get into the shed where the equipment was held however the moon would have exerted the same force to the entire apparatus meaning that the net result would have been zero and you could still do everything that you were trying to do even with the moon and any other gravitational bodies pulling on the apparatus with the same force across the entire thing uh the fact that the moon has a gravitational influence um gave zero um distortions to the cavendish experiment question from iron horse gravity loses against the tiny vacuum force of a siphon hose what chance against the entire universe uh is that who's that towards uh they didn't tag i mean gravity doesn't lose against a siphon hose in fact a siphon works because of gravity that's that's literally what's causing it causing the siphon in effect is gravity so um and i don't understand their their problem i mean if they're trying to straw man gravity then that's wonderful but it means very little well said craig very well said to shut up moron to say the least question from liz what up liz flatter day saint how would you be able to predict the lunar and solar eclipses on the earth model hmm maybe by using a flatter solar cycle that's just a guess though i'm no geologist after all two dollar super chat from joey oakley flatter day sir flatter day saint deep derp derpy derp derp question mark select music to my ears i swear it's like a moat salt symphony can you say it again so i can bask in that sentence glow please i need a little more light shed upon me thank you i like to think on modern day debate we are getting to the true questions that are burning for people that was a good question so thank you so very much joey it does appear that flatter for santos bonacci would like a quick word when i was a young boy i grew up on the farm i'm a country boy and um i used to fuck the cows that and the pigs i used to fuck the pigs and the cows would come and i would pat them and and look into their eyes i'm sorry i didn't want to say that i'm my bad it's a weird job for you craig i'm going to be rich craig question from the dark cloud and see ask for a glober to provide you with one photo of a round earth that isn't a fake composite image they cannot do it i'm i've done three during this debate so i don't know what he's talking about follow up in the opposite direction what is a composite photo fake um they think that any vid any picture is just a fake composite done in photoshop and isn't real except you know like this one which was taken with a hassle-blad camera you know a physical camera of a 50 millimeter lens and the negatives exist which i showed earlier why do you got to be so negative craig shut your face question from you i talk to me like that you bro i mean i nothing but love you stupid flatter day saints can the flat earth model predict planetary alliance the flatter there's don't have a flat earth model correct there's don't claim a flat flat flat earth model question from my yaki man fight the flat earth well if we can change the properties of materials like super cold then i can get water to stick to a spinning ball on earth yeah that was one of the points i made earlier actually freeze the water it's going to stick to whatever you want hey you know craig uh when water goes from frozen to salt uh to liquid it's 33 degrees i'm just saying though you know i mean did you not hear team then was that team skeptic whatever happened to him did he fall did he get that uh that uh what's going around that delta i heard he got covid i hope he's okay next next one five dollar super from dave fear why did you dodge the question neutrality more important than people's lives is this fox news which was back into in response to dave fears ten dollar question i would say i apologize if you thought i was dodging the question i really am trying to find a middle ground i would rather not have those subjects actually being brought up uh to be truthful we should be sticking on to round versus flat earth because any other subject especially let's just say a to s breaking subject we just love you youtube and we're sending love to the entire youtube community and any let's just say opinion views can be sent to modern day debate at gmail dot com so that they can be defended properly which is where we should handle any we'll just call them spicy views but thank you so much dave fear for your support and moving right back into the questions we have a little bit under 10 minutes so if you want yours moved up to the front send it in now from my ackman again fight the flat earth well if we can change the properties of materials like super cold then i can get water that we read that under here we go zemo is he talking about fractals there we go he doesn't know what fractals are your feet are making me feel slightly ill in fact your toes look mutated ill ill actually means uh well though right because every day is groundhog day for you craig hey that's another quarter of the swear jar craig you're making me a freaking out of here bud question from wit twit globe manning question mark ender winging globe manning question mark yeah he's just making up when you hear the word globe manning remember i said it first i coined that phrase you know what i mean i'm that guy man five dollar super chat from steve did either of you come to this debate in good faith all i've heard for the last hour and a half are insults and childish means let me let me be clear i i i did i did i'm talking i don't mean it's one at a time it just freaks me so mad he gets why i'm afraid they say it's can you just it's good boy i'd start shaking and everything yeah flat day saints just so um i wasn't originally going to be just um debate in this pile of human excellence on the screen now i was supposed to be debating um someone called john um but unfortunately he's gone missing in action and flat day saints would uh decided he would like to display his idiocy instead um he is a horrific human being um he is an absolutely horrific piece of shit who makes fun of 9 11 victims and disabled people uh and deserves every bit of um derogatory input i've given towards him i think i was too i think i was too nice to this piece of shit in human form i only make fun of steven hawkins kreg but you know everybody does he's something nobody cares what you've got to say literally nobody cares what you've got to say correct correct come on we're sending love to both of our interlocutors here for coming on modern day debate two dollar super chats uh from exposing reality says bring back flatter day saints for we'll say uh no just don't do that for a debate about something's about other topics that he's interested in so we're just going to say flatter day saint if you'd like feel free to tag modern day debate but we are doing a round versus flat eighth eighth flat earth debate sending love back to exposing reality for your two dollar super chat we're going to read a few more but it's i'm a play in fun from youtube where's the compelling evidence of what nasa tells us the millions and millions of videos and photos and experiments and uh the hundreds and thousands of bits of equipment they have designed and produced over the years um the the 20 plus years of experience in space thanks to the iss the knowledge of going to the moon uh all the experiments that we got from there plus all the future space missions that are coming up um just because you don't like it doesn't change it can i can i say one bit of am here's some evidence that actually it's for the globe right the peggy witson was in outer space for 666 days so if anything if you don't believe in the globe believe in that at least please the 666 days please she did it for the kids for the kids i'm just saying though another two dollar super chat from caucasian sensation amy i believe you skipped my five dollar super chat to you uh if it's the one at the very beginning i think i got it but i'll read it again five dollars from the caucasian sensation this one is for amy why do you do this to yourself lol the kind of abuse is only fun to us crazy people and let me tell you caucasian sensation i think i'm one of those crazy people right with you i just love the back and forth and i enjoy the spice out here on modern day debate but i'm sending even more hearts to you caucasian sensation thank you and everyone out there super chats chats or just viewers for sticking around having fun with us we're gonna go for a few more minutes guys but it has been it's been fun craig it's truly been an honor to uh debate with you even though you clearly won the debate i mean i don't even know what i'm i i frankly couldn't care less about anything that comes out of your mouth i only you know frankly i didn't want to debate you because i couldn't detest a person like more than i detest you and maybe nathan thompson uh i literally came here to insult you poke fun at you and show everyone what a stupid absolute dipshit you are and i think i did that quite well don't ever talk to me or send me emails craig i don't believe you you just say i said don't talk to me and we're gonna interrupt both just one more word please no i don't want to hear anything you've got to say don't fucking talk nine hundred and nine hundred and eleven more words then we're gonna ask a question from daryl frost fight the flat earth different things i was talking about a model needs to work on all scales so model equal theory and you can get a ball wet on earth if you subtract earth gravity yeah none of that makes any sense you can subtract gravity so i mean um and scale models don't have to work on all scales that's simply not what a model is don't be dumb craig i actually heard you were doing some modeling shut up i don't want to hear anything you say you could send me the pictures craig it's fine i said shut up seriously just stop talking no craig don't do that din asks if you use a telescope to look at the moon you can see it's a globe clearly wouldn't you say the same for earth yes i'm tougher than you joe the toe i'm tougher than you sorry i'm just responding to more than anybody craig's a monster trust me you don't want to get on craig's bad side you moronic dribble just shut up and this is going to be sending a shout out to our discord who often has after shows after the debate i think they were finding out right uh while i was looking up the first time but check that out the link is in the description to go for even more awesome debate fun two dollar super chat from a j d t turbo fight the flat earth versus nathan oakley please oh my well i've i've gone on to his show and ruined his stupid ass once already um when he said that the uh fallacy of affirming the cons consequence is when you ask the question if like a dipshit however nathan is far too much of a coward to step outside of his echo chamber and mute button i would heavily suggest that you go and watch mc toon's recent video where i explained all about how much of a coward nathan oakley actually is it's called earth flat me scared so craig when you say uh his echo no one wants to hear what you're talking about there's actually a lot more questions to go through but we have been packing in so much fun that we're going to bring this to our end right now but we have had a blast i want to thank both of our interlocutors fight the flat earth and flatter day saint for joining us and if you liked what either of our guests had to say both of their links are in the description below along with our discord which is where we will be heading after the show so don't forget to like and subscribe everyone and with that i'm going to head it over to fight the flat earth where can people find you and what are your final thoughts just search on youtube ftfe you'll find this ugly mug all over the place um thank you very much for having me on i always enjoy ruining a flatty when and allowing everybody to see the complete and our ridiculous dumb shit the flatter for spout out there stupid face holes um i will be holding a brief after show on my channel which has um been going for the past few hours anyway thanks to brainy beaver uh so i'm going to quickly pop over there and say hello to everybody uh and then you can come back to my channel tomorrow for the new episode of flurfs are idiots titled flat earther becomes a child predator thank you so very much of fight the flat earth and we always will give shoutouts to aftershows so feel free to link your aftershows and we'll get that in the description just like that fight the flat earth it's going to have an aftershock look fantastic right after this you're going to be changing your name to fight the flatter day saint i'm going to hand it to you flatter day saints thank you so much for joining us where can people find you and what are your final thoughts sorry i had a mouthful of crayon i couldn't find my purple crayon though but anyways um yeah so like i said i'm not a flat earth debater um low-key flat smacker but i'm a flat earth rapper so um if you guys want to see some good flat earth rap videos um i'm not a mumble rapper i'm a flat earth rapper go to my channel flatter day saints at caps at youtube and check out flat nasty check out my song co vagina check out marty day saints check out shinebox and uh check out my one of me dropping like today or tomorrow so you know just your i'm just your everyday average flat earth rapper nothing special about me nothing is here shows over you may all go home now thank you so very much i want to thank you all for joining us on modern day debate we are a neutral platform welcoming everybody from all walks of life if you're looking for more awesome debates in the future don't forget to like and subscribe including tonight's debate on flat earth i want to thank our two interlocutors flatter day saint and fight the flat earth for joining us tonight and once again if you like anything that either of our guests said their links are in the description below along with our discord which is where we will be heading after the show along with any other aftershows with that i'm amy newman with modern day debate we hope you continue to have great conversations discussions and debates good night everybody until next time don't forget your water i'm gonna jump off thanks very much guys have a good one kreg i know you didn't mean any of that got a lot of