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I can hear you through the headphones and everything, but hopefully the mic's good I got louder. Okay. Let me turn it down a bit Sorry, I'm trying to work out this new mic for the audio stuff. So when we do the audio quality Oh Jesus. Yeah, I'm going off trying to get it nice. I Don't know if it sounds better than normal to me What do you guys think is it better worse? Let's get it started and ask them before we I don't know Cuz I can turn it up and I can turn it down sometimes No, I did not get a haircut nor did I shave Full rough neck this week. Yeah It is a big vibrator. It's a big vibrator. It does look very very very phallic I would say but I mean it's a microphone. So that's just kind of how they're shaped It just got a fit in my mouth, buddy. All right, so it looks like everybody's saying it's good So we'll go with it and see how that is good. All right Today's topic you want to you want to say what it is? Yeah, I mean, we're gonna we're gonna bounce around a little bit like always but One of the things that we might start with is just sort of like we keep getting questions on You know, we talk a lot about on various shows And it's certainly a big thing on Instagram and other places of media of like How many different directions the scene is going that we don't like? Yeah, right? And you know, we've so we've spent a bunch of time Talking about like various effects and all that and then people keep suggesting well What if we talked about things that we could do or you know on that level or something lose truck Something constructive perhaps or something that like even someone who's not very connected or whatever on any level could accomplish right and so that like that resonated with me pretty good because it is it is better to talk about constructive things You know then it is to I mean it's important to like discuss the problem. So people know what's going on Right, but then it's like it can it can definitely seem insurmountable It does and right now is a really easy time for it to feel insurmountable when there's so many different Problems coming at cannabis in general for so many different directions as we see it Yeah, and so, you know, I kind of do this thing fairly often on the discord where I'll throw I'll throw out some questions for everybody to see what they want to hear talked about And you know, sometimes people come up with some pretty good some pretty good angles on things on top of that So we might delve into that too, but You know, yeah, how to how to change things where we're at, right? So I think maybe What what's really happening is that anytime, you know People really aren't adapted to fast change Yeah, right. So there's been a lot of changes happening really fast and I think it makes people's heads into some degree And it's happening fast enough that like, you know, I don't know if you think this way Matt But it's almost like every year or two is like a different scene Yeah, especially now where that like that maybe took like five or ten years For like things to like seem dramatically different on any level and it's great big strain changes and stuff like that Yeah, like strain, you know strains that got popular had a longer had a longer like runtime of popularity You know the laws change slower You know pricing and just you know, there's a lot of things that just seemed a little bit more stable And now everything's kind of rapid fire Yeah, right. There's rapid fire change and that makes people uncomfortable, right? Yeah, people are people are talking about there's a bunch of stuff going on like right now on the internet of like You know, the community's trying to figure out like well, who can you partner with all these changes going on? What is ethical? Yeah, what's for the for something that's been black market and illicit and clandestine for so long It's a different time kind of so what is okay and things that weren't okay before that would get you black listed May not be the same today. Yeah, so I mean and some of that is just some of that is just changing culture I mean, you know, I don't want to be like old man yells at cloud, you know or whatever because change is change but sometimes You know, there's different forces now than there used to be right You know and maybe the best way to put it in a nutshell is that like before all the forces Against us were pretty much in prohibition Yeah to a large degree, right? Yeah And I've even been giving this some some some thought because there's people that are getting roasted now for some of the people They're partnering with and stuff like that and they're fighting back and I even think to some degree like maybe the way That people fight back against those people like Matt even for somebody like you who like it used to be very effective to call Somebody out in the community. Yeah You know, I don't know if that's even the most effective path anymore Yeah, I don't think it is and it's hard sometimes for people who have a Past of doing that constantly, you know, you know one way to handle certain situations But I think now it really is a lot of beating your head against a wall Yeah, I mean people are throwing out the names and stuff like that that's going on and you know what it's really exposing is that you know, there's There's never been like this uber ethical time in weed. Yeah, we'd always been full of shady characters You know for a long time it was criminal in various regards You know, and so some people, you know, some people were in it just because they felt like that was silly and they loved weed Yeah, and you know, some people are in it because they're criminals. Yeah, too You know, and that goes just another criminal shit to do or whatever and some people are in it for repping money And some people learn it for the plant. Everyone wants to say they're in it for the plan Yeah, I mean that's a good thing to say. It's a good talking boy But what people are noticing is by people's associations now, right now you're starting to realize well like where do those ethics lie? Right and so there's and you know, and it's gone back I mean Matt Matt remembers even like when Colorado first went legal There was people in Colorado that should remain nameless that got into battles with buddies of ours About like well, you know go legal. That's the option And if you don't then you're unfair competition and it's not even snitching or ratting to like get you gone Yeah, because you're just untaxed. You're not paying the same dues I am like you're refusing to take the path and so that was like a massive split in the community That was a that was a very big turning point in the community when when it became possible to Snitch people out to med boards and not necessarily the police and at what point is Yeah, we're You know or doxing or they're just just just a variety of pressure tactics to get people off their back because a lot of times You know really what it boils down to is there's people that are making all kinds of choices about their own personal future and their friends, right? and in some cases like when they get exposed they don't want to be exposed because They feel like that might hurt their customer base sure Yeah, I heard seed sales potentially which could hurt their ability to partner with some of these people because they have to be useful To these bigger powers. Yeah and stuff like that, right? And so so there's an aspect now where it's like there's a lot of There's a lot of secret snitching. There's a lot of doxing. There's a lot of like through proxies or whatever and and how so Kind of what's happened is now is like the community has sort of lost the ability to police itself, right? I can't even believe that word, but it's like now people are like, you know, it's acceptable to work with police Yeah, it is, you know like and be like, oh, this you know, and uh Yeah So I mean that that's about as a hundred and eighty degrees see changes. You can possibly imagine. Yeah, right? And so we're again, we're discussing issues now, but really what it boils down to is So I look at it and I I talk about it In my head like I think about this a lot, right where my whole life They've been telling me for in regards to cannabis that it's it's bad for you to have it You can't have it. You can't have it. You can't have it. You can't have it, right? Yeah, and we've all been fighting in this in this community like, you know, the overgrown overgrow was named Right for people that don't know the first real weed forum overgrow was named because the concept was overgrow the government Yes, like if too many people start growing and so many people start disobeying and people refuse to respect the law Then eventually they'll have to change the law so that people keep respect for other laws Yeah, so that was like the whole that was like the whole theory, right was like was You know was overgrow yeah, okay, and so now we have the that comes from Warner or not. I'm sorry Keys not Keys hawker Hoker, you know, one of my friends might chime in. I'm not sure it's old school. Yeah It was that concept it was him and Bernard Mellow yellow the whole thing his big thing was to get a bunch of hemp plants Give them out for free hemp clones and say overgrow the government. Here's how we're gonna do it I'm giving away all the hemp plants before before 1996 when California actually passed Proposition 215, which was the first medical in the country And it was the first place to take it from totally illegal to like a path towards like like you can call it a gray area Do you remember when they used to push for like to get like hundreds of thousands of hippies to move to Wyoming? Yeah, because it was so lightly populated We could probably affect the vote and people were trying to figure out. Well, what state can we actually get some movement? Yeah, right. What state can we actually get something and now we've overgrown to the point where people are looking around at prices And how to survive and all the various things that are happening and then like maybe man We maybe we overgrew a bit too much. Yeah And so that aspect that price dive that worry that we talk about that's caused a lot of people to look around and and Choices are being made. Yeah Right. Yeah, people are mentioning certain choices right now. I mean when we're talking about choices You can go back to even the the roll-up of of how it worked And how the community reacted when we saw things like icy mag and heaven stairway get taken down He was mentioning shebang, you know, that was one of the people that got taken down for Um, I believe running icy mag and heaven stairway somewhere After that when that happened and was that 05? Somewhere, uh, icy mag was laid if a heaven stairway is right about 05 I mean heaven stairway that got like cannabis world and overgrown taken down Yeah, but it's all part of the same bust. It's all part of the same thing when that happened I got scared enough of the internet. I honestly didn't really start poking around again until Social media really came back on in the mid teens. Yeah I was scared off it for a while You know, it makes sense. I got scared off icy mag once the cops seized the servers. I and usually, uh, Yes, your bang is actually there there's paperwork right now and he's he's in trial So yeah, he did get busted. Unfortunately That he got busted with the server And and cops don't tend to give servers back when they take them either. So a lot of people need to keep that in mind But you know, so there's an aspect of You know, people are asking well, what can we do to change things positively? Yeah, right? Um, and you know, there's an aspect where there I'm not I'm not big on mentioning names on the show or whatever There's a bunch of comments going on but obviously like there's a lot of stuff going on recently On ig and and you know, people are talking about like associations that people are doing Yeah, right. Well, you know, you can you can vote with your wallet Yeah, they're gonna try to hide their work and off in different brands and different this and different that You can figure out who they are and you can not spend your money on them Yeah, right. They essentially need an enormous amount of consumer money to stay afloat Always they're all doing this because they think this is the best money play for themselves So the way to hurt them is to is to deny that money play Yeah, right is the you know, you can so, you know, maybe maybe I'll continue my thought or whatever So my whole life they can't have it. You can't have it. You can't have it, right? And now we're at this point where they're like, man, this thing's kind of cool I mean, we'll take it from here Yeah, so to me the fight hasn't changed really the fight has just shifted we used to fight for access and acceptance Yeah, right. That was the big fight access acceptance and the ability to do that without getting in trouble Just because it's the plant that's fucking stupid. Yeah, so now we're kind of getting there Yeah, we've made we've made way faster Like expansion on access and and safety and the ability to use it And I think within a number of years a lot of these like piss testing for jobs will go away I think there was something announced today about that, right in the news I'm not sure actually but it's gonna go away. It's gonna go away soon because so many states are led making it legal It's just gonna you know, and then wide varieties of people are going to be able to start using it without penalty Yeah, it has something to do with jobs not being able to discriminate in legal states where there's medical cannabis And yeah, they're not allowed to discriminate against legal cannabis if I remember correctly So so here's the gig when as it shifts from like safety and freedom and access Right and the right to do so now it's going to shift to like who controls it who sells it to you like who You know like that really who controls it That's the fight and it probably will be a fight that we're battling but what people have to remember it's dark days right now and It's like a lot of people that are like deeply in the cannabis industry are hurting pretty bad Yeah, which is why I think it's causing some of these desperate moves Yes, right is that when it comes down to it, there's people that like they want to survive They want to make money and if they have to deal with the devil they will Right, but I would like to throw out there that um You know when it comes down to it that we are winning Right, it's just that the fight has shifted You know like we were fight, huh? Who's we that's winning? Well, I mean in the sense that like, you know imagine 15 years ago If you thought that like 38 or 40 states in in in America would allow recreational or medical camps Right like there's more access for more people now than ever before Yeah, right So we're not happy with the direction the scene is going But that's because our previous goal. We were all pretty united on We want this thing to be available and accessible and not get people in trouble And we want to be able to smoke and share weed Yeah And now it's gone into like this economic thing where People are like when you think about I don't want to say corporations because that's just like a group of people or whatever But when you think about big business say They're gonna want to control it They're gonna want to patent it. They're gonna want to make it look at all the recreational stuff going on It's not exactly legal It's more like highly regulated tightly taxed and controlled Yes, you know nothing Nothing Decriminalized about it. Yeah, I mean if I want to grow a bunch of vegetables or tomatoes or fruit or anything like that in my backyard I can do that. I can grow as many tomatoes as I want. I can cross tomatoes Every person on this on this thing that I I could send them tomato seeds Yeah, you can send them thousands of tomatoes. Yeah, we could all we could all trade and share and post pictures of our hybrids And are this and are that and everything else and it would be free. No one would give a shit That's legal. Mm-hmm. What we have is like so what we have going on right now is that You know, if you have a six-plant limit for in your state You basically can't breed Yeah, you can't keep mom stock You can't have a normal amount of plants that a person even a hobbyist and this spirit to me this is where the the term legal legalization was bastardized and A lot of uneducated because like even when I was 15 even when I was 15 I knew that once corporations got their hands dug in deep enough to be able to take over immediately That's when they're going to flip the bill even as a 15 year old kid. I realized that's how the world works That's how corporations work. That's what happened But I did not expect them to push it under the guise of legalization because even today Any any average citizen who doesn't grow but smokes and if you ask them if weed is legal They're going to tell you yes 99% of the time going to tell you yes And they don't even know what's happening to the real grower side of the aspect that there's nothing legal about They're making it legal in the sense to possess or whatever, but you still have to go to approved stores And buy it from approved vendors And as we both know that invites corruption at all these different levels, you know, and so strangely And this might be like from a capitalist perspective This might be one of the first cases that I know of of this where it's like The legalization of something led to a massive drop in quality and a massive increase in price Yeah, I don't know about the massive increase in price with the drop in quality. That's a hard one You know, well, I mean there's think about how many people are buying like 70 and 80 dollar eighths Yeah Right and think about how expensive all that stuff is now Yeah, and I mean there's there's plenty of cheap too, but it's like the taxes I mean I saw that thing where you know, they broke down like how much an eighth is and like the farmer gets three bucks And the tax man gets 21 bucks And the and the and the dispo gets 20 bucks and then the Freckin, you know dispensary gets 40 bucks and you end up paying 80 bucks. Yeah You know, it's it's that that is preposterous. There's like three layers there. There's the government There's the distribution and there's the store And they're all You know pillaging because they can't I paid attention when I was a kid I watched that movie Robin Hood And I remember there was a sheriff of Nottingham and I remember they would Bug people for money and I kept that with me growing up and I was like, wow, this tax thing's a scam, isn't it? Like at some level at some level the way it works now This is we've all been conditioned to think that this is what we need to do and I agree to have society people need to pitch in But I mean I what I what I think has happened is like You know, it's it's one of those things where anytime they any kind of vice becomes more acceptable They want to give money to cops in schools Yes, obviously like they're just like, well, you know, here's funding for various groups Right, and so we're gonna tax the shit out of this vice or whatever it might be We're gonna have to ease the other voting half And you know, they they made taxes based probably on like a much higher pound price than people are getting Yeah in that regard so You know, so it's not really so that's really what's happened is like in the 215 era Anybody could grow whatever they wanted and if they had a medical card and they grew good enough weed They could walk into a medical dispensary and they could make a deal Yeah, and that allowed a wide variety of things to proliferate I mean one of the one of the aspects of the person that's getting shit talked a bunch this week Um, is that not only are people upset at like the the associations that he's making, right? Um, but he but you know a lot of the genetics that people you know He sold his genetics for high dollar and they were and there was nurse reaction And there was a lot of disease and viroid involved a lot of viroid Which we will be doing a show september 8th about the hop late and viroid and everything you'd ever want to know inside out We're gonna try to cover. Yeah, and because it's it's it's the new You know without all it takes is poor practices At a facility and especially at a nursery And not and a lack of care and spending on testing and you can nuke You can spend so many gardens and get infected Yeah, we've had friends who have lost whole collections time and time again Because of this virus because it's not really or viroid because it's not easy to clean And that's you know, that's that's a that's a that's a product to be honest of legalization But without proper regulation Yes You know, um, you know, I mean on a certain level it's like, uh You know using using razor blades on multiple plants is sort of like using tattoo needles on multiple customers Or junkies share needles. It's the same whatever whatever. It's it's the same gig It's like unless it's sterilized in between or use a fresh one for the next like it's it's gotta be kind of that kind of of Environment now. Yeah, because it's written it, you know, and so There's an important another reason To not forget to buy seeds. We should not let the seed industry die Damn it. So yeah, I mean, that's that's another thing is that Maybe one. I don't know my comments have totally frozen. I haven't seen my I haven't seen any new comments in a bit So if people are typing stuff in it's like for the last five minutes. It's just not done jack So I apologize if I'm not seeing anything um, but You know, there's it used to be that uh That's 215 era and sort of the grain market era Um allowed a lot of capitalistic activity allowed a lot of small businesses a lot a lot of garage size growers independent breeders You know various types, uh, you know pretty low bar to entry Yeah, you know and now that that's all getting now that that's all getting like, you know, legalized or whatever else It's barring entry to a lot of people. Yeah. Oh, wow. It just totally disappeared. I know I tried to turn it off and on But it didn't really work. It didn't really work now. It's just you and me just talking to each other. That's even We could we could stop it and I can edit this back in To the audio one. I mean it's a bummer enough to see people's comments Yeah, I'd like to see people's comments too. So I'm going to restart this and we'll resume Okay restart. I guess I'll see you in a second. See you in a sec