 Sirta present Davis Graw Hannah Kittleson Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel for hassled 16 present Thank you, we have a quorum and I will ask for approval of minutes of the last meeting held October 9th, 2006 I Have a motion a second all in favor signify by saying aye Chair votes aye motion passes Then the first item on the agenda is our number 220607 by the city clerk submitting a communication from car policy stating that the police department Leadership is out of control and should be dismissed forthwith Alderman Ryan Thank You mr. Chairman I Believe at this point this council has more important things to discuss than views that are Extreme as such as these So at this point, I would like to call this question without further discussion Thank You I have a motion a second to file and I also have a motion to call the question The motion to call the question is a two-thirds vote. I have a motion a second to call the questions. There's a two-thirds vote Which would be proper to vote on the motion to file with them On the graph could repeat that I believe the motion to file takes precedence. Okay. Thank you We will vote on the motion to file Any discussion under the motion on Hannah did you Thank you Could you call the roll Alderman Serta Warren Berg Serta I Davis I Groth Hannah I Kittleson I Clayunas I Manny Meyer I Montemay or Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel I for hassle Motion passes Thank you. We'll move on to RC number five two six zero five oh six by building use committees Some in the police department building and city hall space list summaries from Zimmerman design group Longman graph Thank you, mr. Chairman. I would also move that that RCA could be accepted in place on file The motion is second to place the RC on file any discussion Hearing none all in favor signify by saying aye. I Chair votes aye motion passes home and Meyer I'm waiting for the next one. Okay So we'll move on RC number 220607 the public protection and safety Who met and referred the resolution to the committee of the whole? Resolution number 180607 by Alderperson Meyer directing that all police department vehicles be moved to the municipal service building Thank you, mr. Chairman, and could we take number seven along with that please do okay I would like to send this to the council with a favorable recommendation I have a motion a second under discussion All in Manhattan, thank you. I Think we're jumping the gun here. We just met with the architect We've given the architect marching orders to get back to us With some schematics to let us know what his two or three scenarios would be given the information He's collected from us and from the police department. I would prefer to wait to see what his renderings are what his Recommendations are before we start making decisions like this Thank you All in reckey. Thank you, mr. Chairman Would have motion to hold in this committee be appropriate this time last week we approved the capital improvements budget Which puts us in nine million dollars. We have a piece of property We finally have something to go upon and I agree with Alderperson Hannah I mean we're jumping the gun here now. We finally got some numbers and some stuff to work with Let's just in my opinion what this stuff sit in place for right now. We can revisit it We can file it we can do whatever we want in the future, but I would just say let's just hold this for right now And see what the future brings the architect Scott is you know some numbers and things to work with now So let's not start throwing any more monkey wrenches into the system. It's just see if we can't get this thing done Thank you all in a sushi Thank You mr. Chairman. I was not in the most recent discussions with Zimmerman But maybe two or three weeks ago. I was at a meeting with Sam Nash and one of the things that he kept saying to us over And over is that we changed the location and we weren't giving him any guidance. He was looking for some guidance So I think that it's not too late this this meeting that we most recently talked about just occurred last week It was maybe two hours ago that finance committee made the recommendation of moving ahead with Zimmerman I really don't think that they Have started any work on this because they wouldn't do so without a contract So I would like to send them a list of things that they should consider I think they're looking for some direction and we have the opportunity tonight to give them a little bit of direction And I think right now we have a motion before us what we would be looking at is moving The maintenance of the police vehicles to the municipal service building What that would mean is that police officers would show up for work. They would go to the new police station They would park their personal car at the new police station They would get into their squad car when the squad car needed service Then they would drive down to the municipal service building to get their car service They would probably drop it off let the mechanic work on it pick up of a different vehicle and then Presume with their normal daily routine Another point of interest is that squad cars are always going down to the municipal service building because that's where they go to get their gas So they're probably going down there once a day It would be a very simple transfer vehicles You drive in after you get your gas or before you get the gas and you switch vehicles so the maintenance guy could fix it I think it would really give Zimmerman some Guidance if we said don't worry about the maintenance component maintenance can be done down at the municipal service building And that's what we're trying to accomplish tonight is giving them some direction Thank you Alumin vice president Serta Thank You mr. Chairman. I was wondering if older persons who should could share what meeting John Sabin ash where you gained information concerning What meeting that was that John Sabin ash and you were able to meet with him This was a couple of weeks ago. There were some other older people there I think Older person fair hassle is there. I'm not sure was that a public meeting. I Don't think it was a quorum of any site any type it was It would just would be really helpful for the rest of the elder persons to be privy to that information as well considering this issue And secondly, I don't know if chief Kirk would like to respond to see to the feasibility of this in terms of Your officer going down to the municipal building and switching cars if that's even feasible Chief Thank You mr. Chair We discussed this several different times we discussed it in building use committee There's a real concern that we have we would ask that the fleet maintenance be maintained at the police garage There was I believe the Document number eight Speaks of keeping them the mechanics at the police garage and things of this nature if you're gonna have a police garage We believe that the mechanic should be at our garage the Round trip from our new police station on 23rd Street to the Department of Public Works would be 3.3 miles, but it's not necessarily in the mileage even though it is it's not necessarily in the mileage It's the officers downtime. I also have my fleet mechanic Dave Daniels here tonight that he could explain some of the concerns If you if you wish to ask him The downtime is a real concern to us The way we operate right now and some of this may be a repeat to many of you the way we operate right now as we Park the vehicles in the garage Anytime someone needs a vehicle there. They're there and they're ready and they're accessible if we have an emergency We have officers who frequently come out of the station CID or things of this nature who then grab a vehicle whichever vehicles available and then go to the scene or wherever They need to go When the officers come in to the station Dave Daniels the fleet mechanic that takes the opportunity to take a look at those vehicles to Make the minor changes Every day I see in the garage that some vehicles are down for this service or that service it's it's Efficient the way we have when I first started on the road back in 1977 We would be given a key for car number eight car number nine and you waited until that car arrived Not anymore you get a key you go out you find whatever vehicles available and you go and you get on the road You start handling complaints immediately. I think you're concerned about you taking a very efficient system One that we took years to develop to make sure people get on the road and when you come in Mechanic you take a look at that car if there's something that needs to be taken care of you take care of it If they can while they're in the station to take a trip down to public works though It's feasible and if you decide that this is what you want to do I think we're gonna have some downtime we can do this other cities have done this I don't think if in fact you're gonna build us a garage When dealing with public works one of the main concerns that we had was a lift and as the expense of a Not a mechanic so a floor standing lift versus one one that's sunken in the ground a Ground lift I think that's what they call so there isn't a whole lot of savings that you're going to see here If you're gonna have a garage at the police department, which I believe you are gonna have a garage there So I think these number six and number seven relate to number eight because the last time we discussed a lot of this at building Use we proceeded with number eight because I believed I thought these number six and number seven were done And they were gonna be pushed aside The issue Would be a separate Question under item number eight so the real question we're talking about in Thank You mr. Chairman no the the resolution is to move the mechanic Service building where all the other mechanics service the other City vehicles the police vehicles will be stored at the new police station in their new garage I Right Just maintenance Thank You all women Ryan Thank You mr. Chairman This was discussed in building use as chief Kirk had said and at that point it was discussed in depth and and pretty much Decided agreed that there was no cost savings. There was no greater efficiency by moving the Vehicle maintenance to the municipal building We would still have to have the same mechanic The at the new municipal service building there would have to be a brick or a Cement partition built for security of the of the vehicle maintenance bay The the police mechanic at this point uses all of his own tools on the police vehicles If there wasn't that security there he definitely is not going to bring his his tools which he furnishes Down to the municipal service building For them to sit in the wide open and for anybody To have access to The the security of the vehicles themselves At the municipal service building You know, there are a lot of things in police vehicles that aren't in the rest of the municipal fleet You know, namely the computers and shotguns Etc. Etc It just did not seem to make any sense whatsoever to to move Maintenance to the municipal building There was no cost savings there was a definitely a a loss and department efficiency and So therefore, I don't you know, I don't see why it should even be a valid discussion at this point Thank you. Thank you lemon Ryan I'm gonna get all the room on tomorrow Thank you chairman Vander wheel But the resolution of Alderman Meyer makes it very clear that it's the maintenance the resolution Doesn't correspond with the explanation on the committee of the whole but the resolution is very clear that it is the maintenance And we all know how we all feel and we have heard all the reasons and one of the reasons for the savings of money would be the Construction the initial construction of the floor space on the 23rd Street So I don't know that we need to go over this again and again. I would like to call the question We all know where we stand. Let's vote Christian was called in a second and we need a two-thirds vote on the calling of the question. So I'll ask for a roll call Bird Certain no because this is for just for clarification favorable recommendation To counsel right now. This is just to call the question if we should vote on it or not without any more discussion And I'll change to yes Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Myer Montemay or I Radke Ryan Susha van der Wiel Brassel 16 motion passes so the question has been called there will be no more discussion on the motion and Then I will ask for a roll call on the motion which was to send The RC number 2240 607 and RC number 2250 607 to come a council with a favorable recommendation on Under discussion Alderman graph. I'm just a clarification of one other thing is that Um, I is this on the motion. I just made a file. All right, correct All right on the motion. It's being recommended to council that it's a favorable report But it's still a debatable question when it hits council floor. All right And the motion that I just made home and born or clarified. Thank you, mr. Chairman So we're voting we're voting on sending this to council With a favorable Report to move the maintenance to the police department. Is that where we're voting on? The public works. I'm sorry to public works. Yes to move it to public works Just the maintenance to public works Okay, correct. Thank you Okay, I'll insert on with the roll call Boren Berg Sir, no Davis. No Grop Hannah no Kittleson no Clowness. Hi Manny no Meyer I Montemay or I Ratky Ryan Susha, hi Vanderwillie. No We're hassle. Hi motion fails Motion passes Nine eyes eight nose and I thought for two-thirds you need 11 Well, the motion was no, yes the motion that we just voted on would be a majority Okay, so what was the nine yet nine yeses, okay? Motion passes Thank you moving on to Number eight on the agenda's RC number 240 or 607 by building use committee who met and made the following following recommendations To keep the mechanics with the police department when the police department moves to the North 23rd Street location To have the police station would be built slab on grade with a butler garage eight to ten thousand square feet The fitness room would be included in the new police station with it housed in the garage if possible And give the architect the opportunity to increase the square footage of the police garage up to 20,000 square feet Alderman graph. Thank you Mr. Chairman I'd like to take these points at a time Because the first one is keep the mechanics with the police department. That was the recommendation of the building use committee and Based on what we just voted on I Could ask for it to be voted on again, but I think it would come out probably the same way so I'll ask that that Recommendation be placed on file Motion a second to place the first recommendation of the RC and file all on favor Signify by saying aye Chair votes aye motion passes Okay, then I would make a motion that the police station would be built slam on grade with a butler garage eight to ten thousand square feet Motion a second is there any discussion? Holden Ryan Thank You mr. Chairman First of all, I I think we need Some direction from the architect. We have a 2.7 acre site On that 2.7 acres. We're supposed to fit a police department The garage Parking ingress egress access etc Slab on grade We're building on a landfill. We're building on unstable ground to build slab on grade Are we actually going to save any money? We need to reinforce slab because it is unstable ground a lot more concrete costs a lot more mesh costs Are we going to be able to fit? the Size of the facility that we're going to require Along with the garage Along with everything else on this site, or are we going to have a site? Where we have a slab on grade building? We have a garage We have parking for the police vehicles Indoors and probably outdoors. We're going to have to have it because we're not going to have enough space according to this to put them indoors Where are The police officers going to park Are they going to be able are we're going to have a lot big enough for them to fit in or are they going to be parking on North? 23rd Street or North 23rd Street and the access road and Superior Avenue Maybe they'll park over in the park and save Pick and save parking lots. I think a lot of this needs to be Looked at I think we need some true guidance rather than just saying Let's let's squash this thing on this lot and save ourselves some money Truthfully my belief In order to be efficient the reason we bought this lot the reason that we we That I went along with buying this property was under the belief that we would excavate the Garbage out of this property the the fill and Build a 20,000 square foot garage and then go up from there 20,000 square feet 20 20 60 two stories with a garage underneath it now all of a sudden we're Building a slab on grade building With an 8 to 10,000 square foot garage With a huge reinforced slab. Are we really going to be saving money doing this? Think another thing we need to look at which I don't know if this committee Has looked into it. We have a lot of contractors a lot of material suppliers in this county that We could probably contract with for buying a lot of materials at cost or even better In order to keep our costs down in order to build the police department facility that they should have At this point I I think to say okay, we're going to pass this out of the council We're going to build an 8 to 10,000 square foot garage Now we're going to take the mechanic put them down at the municipal building When people are pulling in to get their cars fueled up We'll just have the mechanic run out and you know heck like he's NASCAR check the car over so they can get back in and get back On the road You can be the pit crew. I think this is ridiculous so at this point Please at this point until Until we we know what we're talking about until we know what we're doing I've built commercial properties in the past and the first thing that I always do is I take a piece of notebook paper and I make a drawing it scribbles and I take this piece of paper Based on the size of the lot I have and I figure okay. I can build a building this big I put my gas pumps here. I can do parking here. I can do this and that and I give it to an architect and Several tens of thousands of dollars later and several months later. You may end up with a property And it looks like that scribbled piece of paper basically with a lot more expense But we need to give our architects some direction here and we need to consult with our police department and Ask them what they need rather than us deciding what they need So at this point I Do not believe that we should recommend to the council that we build a 8 to 10,000 square foot garage with a Butler building style. Thank you. Thank you element Ryan Over many thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe it's also premature to make sucker such a recommendation I don't for one without knowing anything about building costs I don't know why it would be cheaper to have a Butler building there as opposed to simply excavating another six feet and With your foundation and such having to go down probably four feet anyway So I need to see dollars and cents and with that I think we'll have Some very helpful information at this point. I have no sense that it's cheaper to go with the recommendation. It's currently printed Thank you. All the money element Hannah. Yes The architect knows that we're looking for 60,000 square foot the architect knows what sort of parking we're looking for Let's just give the architect a chance to come back to us with concrete ideas so we can move ahead You know, I've had the privilege of Being on a board that that oversaw large projects similar nature to this and You really need to just back off and let the architect do what they're paid to do and that's give you good information And give you some ideas. I think we're jumping the gun Thank you. I'm Hannah On the sushi Thank you, Mr. Chairman when I'm looking at these four points I think number two and number four are somewhat redundant perhaps we could combine them point number two says the police station would be built Slab on grade with a butler garage of 8 to 10,000 square feet and point number four says give the architect the Opportunity to increase the square footage of the police garage up to 20,000 square feet I think you're kind of contradicting yourself Perhaps the person who made the motion would would agree that one proposal that Zimmerman submits to the council will include police station built on slab built slab on grade with a butler garage of a minimum of 8,000 square feet I think a proposal like that might make everybody happy because then it's up to the Architect if he wants to go more than 8,000 square feet. It's my understanding. He's coming back with a couple proposals Anyway, this would just give him some guidance of what the building use committee was looking for Thank you lemon Susha Thank You mr. Chairman First of all in response to what some of alderman Ryan had to say The 2.7 2.72 acres up there is a hundred and eighteen thousand four hundred and eighty three point two square feet It's comes out to be forty three thousand five hundred and sixty square square feet per acre And I'm getting this off of a council document ten forty five Also in answer to alderman Manny's question At one of the building use committees Mr. Sabin ash When I brought up the idea of the butler building he said that if he was to build that underground It would be a hundred and two dollars a square foot and if we're looking at a twenty thousand square foot garage. That's two million $40,000 and With calling To get some information on butler buildings I was told that you can build a butler building for 25 to 30 30 dollars a square foot and So if you're if you're going to build a if you're going to build a 20,000 square foot garage at 30 dollars a square foot. That's $600,000 or a potential savings of 1.4 million dollars Now of course you do you you can build a butler building any way you want it You can make it a little more fancy such as Lutheran High School and Christian High School Fosse paint company has a metal building Their energy efficient They're very easily expandable So it's not like we're Building a dump for a garage auto all of the auto dealers are almost all of them in Sheboygan County Have a metal building for the service part of their of their dealerships And what we're going to do with the police department is we're going to be parking vehicles in that in that metal building And so I see no problem with building a metal building And I really don't even see a problem of a twenty thousand square foot garage if it can be built for $600,000 rather than over two million dollars. Thank you. Thank you. I'm born I'm going to go through the lights and then I'll get you on the graph Thank You. Mr. Chairman Regarding the This recommendation and the other two From the building use committee. That's why we're giving these to the committee of the whole We're giving these to the committee of the whole so that they can be referred to the council so that The architect can have those because he's looking for information on what we see could be possibilities And I'm sure he's not going to take just these recommendations I'm sure he's going to work in whatever he can because he's often stated that tell me what price you have and tell me What size you want? I'll show you the different buildings I can build and and I'll give you some information on that and that's one of the things we were looking for and To get back to Alderman Susha's Item these were two separate motions that were made because the first one was to build a slab on grade with The butler garage eight to ten thousand square feet and then other changes were made and Recommendations that maybe the fitness room should go in there and maybe there should be other things added to that garage And that's why we said give the architect the opportunity to increase the square footage of the police garage up to 20,000 so that in case He saw better ways to utilize this space in the station as compared to the garage He couldn't make recommendations that maybe the fitness center should be part of the garage and maybe something else should be part of the garage and He would need more space So that's why we gave him the opportunity or we will be giving him the opportunity if these these pasts to To add to it or make his own recommendations Thank you, Alderman Graf. Alderman Cleveness Thank you, Jim. My recommendation would maybe be to say But build a slab on grade butler garage from 10,000 to 20,000 square feet. So you've got a span there Because then you're including a minimum and a maximum as far as giving more direction to the architect again It's just an idea. I think you know with your All of them graph also. I think that he may need some leeway to put in what he needs to put in Thank you Remember hassle. Thank you, mr. Chair. I can agree that I the situation is getting ridiculous I mean in the last two months, I've read quotes in the paper from mr. Seven I saying that just tell me what you need and I'll build it I've met with him and talked with him individually and he said the same exact thing give me some direction Tell me what you want and I'll build it. So yes, this is a ridiculous situation So I think this committee and ultimately the council need to send some direction Even if it's not the perfect direction because I would expect no matter what we send to mr. Seven my expectation would be That he would come back with our idea with numbers next to it And if he's the expert that we hope he is he would come back with other ideas that are even better Then that if it doesn't fit he may have a better idea if there's a better price a better way to go at it I would expect he would come back as the expert as we anointed him to do such a thing So in as far as what the needs are for the department. I thought we did that three years ago with the Kimi report So the needs should be pretty clear out there I don't think we should be sitting around asking anymore unless that report is useless and it was Poorly made I think we have the information in a general sense and we should be able to move on. Thank you Thank you. I'll never hassle I'll move on to mirror Thank You chairman van der Reel. I agree with Alderman for hassled and Alderman graph Mr. Seven ashes asked for some direction. This is giving him some direction He will put some ideas together and of course those ideas can always be changed We know that he is the architect. We will look at what he plans. He needs some direction We can't just let this die. We have to say yes to him with some Instructions to go ahead. So I think we should vote on this and remember whatever We have nine million dollars. He can build a fabulous station for nine million dollars And anything less than nine million dollars means we won't have to borrow that much Which we won't have to pay back that much which we can maybe get some more policemen on the street So let's vote. I call the question Questions been called So we will vote well, is there a second? There's the questions we call there's a second so we'll vote on calling the question with Two-thirds to pass it Alderman Serta if you could call the roll Born Bird no Serta no Davis no graph Hannah no Kittleson no Clowness. Hi Manny no Meyer Montemay or I Racky Ryan no, Susha. Hi Vanderbilt no for hassle Eight so motion fails to call the question. Thank you. I still have a lot of people to talk. So maybe that's a good thing President Berg Thank you, sir. The awkward issue here is we have 8.8 million dollars for the architect to design a police station The last scenario we had where he he just had a rough sketch of what 8.8 million dollars didn't include a garage I think for me whatever we do It still is going to be completely up to him to work within that 8.8 million dollar parameter It may be out of that that we will have some add-ons and I think I see Perhaps they differently. I see the 8.8 million dollars is perhaps a starting point Where are we at and what can we get for that and then is that reasonable in terms of assuring us a Station that will have longevity of longer than if you would 20 or 30 years I don't think we're going to be having Italian marvel But I sure don't want something that's going to look like the green warehouse either and I think in that regard We really need to see what he can give to us in terms of square footage What kind of compromises there are that exist in terms of building materials? I think older man Ryan raises an excellent part point is that He is the architect is there are there unique advantages in the long run to having an excavated basement for storage versus a but we're building and you know, whatever we do I'm going to vote for this because I see this simply as being recommendations And I think he will answer them if he thinks this is not a good idea I think he has the professional qualifications and the due diligence to tell us if this is an idea that can or can't work And I think this for me if we file this We don't have the discussion If we act on it, it just simply means that we bring this forward It's a discussion point and if he really says thank you very much for your ideas But you folks are kind of like the 16 blind people around the elephant in practical reality This doesn't seem to fit with how typically police stations are designed. We've had the conversation and we can move on. So Thank You President Berg, Vice President Serta. Thank you, Mr. Chairman I do understand where older person Berg's coming from given this issue I think what we're trying to do is micro manage now our architect We've already set an amount in order to build the building I think we do need to allow him to do his job like older person Hannah had reiterated To be specific on what we think we need in terms. We've gave him an outline Have him come back and present the information I've noticed that it's been reiterated over and over again when we come to make decisions that we have this flexibility in place That the decisions we make like for example with our budget This is just for preliminary But our departments were told that they needed to adhere to that budget. Where's the flexibility in that? I just seen it last week Monday. We were told again if we're going to increase the cost of our police station We can just go back and borrow. I think that's just a false assumption that we're giving this council We've already set the amount that the architect can build for us Let us let him do his job because in that case we can just open it up to anything We could ask the department to come up here and give their recommendations concerning the specific spaces How they they see things fit and deemed for their department Again, I think we should just allow the architect to do its job his job, and we've already done that. We've set the amount So I'll be voting against these specific things. Thank you, Vice President sir. Oh Lemon-born. Thank you, Mr. Chairman Could could I ask Chief Kirk a question? It's just something not necessarily on these exact items But it does have to do with how what we're going to build in the police department or is that coming up later? Chief Kirk Could you come up for some questions? Please? And then I ask if anybody else has any questions for Chief Kirk To to ask him now so we don't have to keep on having them come up chief when I went on my Right along a couple weeks ago. I noticed that where we brought in some some defendants that we they were put in a room Are those considered to be in a real rooms or are those considered to be holding cells and I and I have to say I Definitely very definitely can see the need for at least interview rooms for males females Juveniles because when the people that we brought in we had two males and a female and I believe they had to take the female over to the Detective division to deter and detain her because there wasn't enough room. So I guess my question is Are those considered to be? just interview rooms are those considered to be holding cells and What's your recommendation as far as the new police department in that regard? I? Thank you very much Aldrin Boran The value of of riding along is Sighted right here. It's it's very very valuable Sometimes when I speak or when others speak I refer to our those interview rooms as holding cells They are not they are not meant to be I don't want holding cells in my new police department They fall under a different statute completely. We don't want holding cells yet We refer to them as holding cells and they're really interview rooms We want a room that we can put someone in to detain them or hold them But it's really meant for a temporary Custody type of a situation where you then interview you are absolutely right. These are not holding cells I don't want holding cells. I do not these are for permanent lock-up. We don't want that And I appreciate you riding along because you make the point exactly clear in the sense that many times I refer to them as holding cells that are not Thank you. Thank you. Is there any other questions for Chief Kirk? Thank you, Chief Moving on to Alderman Davis. I Think we should get this recommendation out of the committee here and make it get in front of the council As vague as it is in the least direction that we can tell Sabin ash what to do with you know, I agree with everything here You know you set your parameters here eight to twenty thousand square feet and I look at up at a butler building Which is a great idea, you know a fitness room everything's in all except for the first article You know where we're shooting ourselves in the foot, but Let's get them out of the committee at the wall get them in front of the council Thank you, Alderman Davis Ormond Kilsen thank you, Mr. Chair I guess I just have to go back here to I believe it was a building use committee meeting We had July 31st when mr. Sabin ash was here and he gave us this direction here He told us what he could build for sixty thousand plus square feet and he gave us a price to me It was just really as plain as the nose on your face what he could do He was I strong he was waiting for the direction of course from us I think he still had probably has this knows what he can do for us We need to give him that direction the price has been changed now I understand and I understand that but we were told we could bond for more if we need it I think we need to give him that flexibility to go ahead Please design something for us and and see where it where it falls in that sixty thousand square foot range Thank you, Alderman Kilsen Alderman recce Thank You mr. Chair I mean the one thing the one question I keep hearing that's really driving me crazy every day of the week With the people I come in contact with is are you ever going to build a police station? That's if I can help it. Yes, 50 years ago. It was what I hoped it would be built but that became the job of this council and I'd like to have something that we can show the public And this would help it's just tonight. It's just a recommendation. It's an idea We need something to get the ball rolling here because otherwise We'll sit here bickering about this for another century before we start building a police station enough is enough They should have been out of downstairs, and I said this before and I'll say it again They should have been on it or 50 years ago It's time to get this ball rolling give mr. Sabin has something to work with let's just get this thing moving if we have to look at more later on We can look at more later on but the point is we need to get it going and we need to get it going now We need to have ideas this doesn't mean this is gonna be the final Proposal he's gonna come in here with several ideas, and we're gonna have to pick and choose and everything else That's all coming up yet But the point is we got to start someplace, and we've got no place to start at this point in time And with that I'll call the question Well, we're not gonna vote on the call the question again. There's there's no more light so Um So we'll have the vote Home and graph thank you, mr.. Chairman because of our our discussion that we just had and Because the the other two points are again recommendations can I modify the motion to include all three of the points that we Send to counsel to recommend to mr. Savanash If my second would agree to that no Okay Okay, I have a new motion on the amended motion on the floor in a second to include all the points and Before we vote throughout this discussion one thing came to my mind that I think Tonight is one of the reasons why we haven't built the police station yet. It's really hard to get 16 people to agree on One on one thing it's just difficult, but with that I will ask for roll call vote Alderman Serta This roll call is on the amendment Okay, we're not doing question just on the amendment, okay Alamon graph could use your mic, thank you The amendment would be to include the other two points with the police station would be built slam on grade with a butler garage 10,000 square feet And would also include the fitness room right those two the fitness room and and the architect the Opportunity to increase the square footage of the police crash up to 20,000 feet Square feet Everybody understands the motion The amendment Okay, Alderman Serta if you could do roll call on the amendment. Okay, born Burke Serta I Davis Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vander wheel hi for hassle 11 motion passes Now we'll do a roll call vote on the motion Then RC be put upon its passage Motion a second Alderman or vice president Serta could you do a roll call? born Berg Serta no Davis Groth Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vander wheel no for hassle 10 for eyes motion passes Thank you Moving on and number nine the next meeting will be October 30th Alderman graph Thank You mr. Chairman and that that meeting is going to be regarding What I think you know better than me it was about um It was budget a budget review budget review and the storm water feet fine. They're so clear. Thank you Thank you. I'm in graph. I have a motion a second adjourn all in favor signify by saying aye Triple tie motion passes