 Big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E.C.O., don't worry about the lovely, amazing official, Miss Jamaica, what's going on? None, none, you know my dad, all gone. Man, we got my favorite guy, man. This guy right here, man, this is the second time he's been on the show. I'm feeling real good about it, too. Man, this guy right here, man, y'all know him from acting, you know him from singing. You know this guy here from being on Balls Talk 101. Yes. Yeah, my boy Columbus Charleston, the building. What's up, Pop? What? O-Triple O-Triple O-G. Man. Man, thank you so much, man. What's cracking? Yeah, it makes you get up to that mic, right? Yeah, what to do? Daddy, what to do? What to do? What to do? What to do? What to do? What to do again? I'm like some people I know. That must be a man about that. It's true, it's true, it's true, a lot of people they talk, but they don't walk, you know. Ooh, I love these Jamaicans out there. Have you acted Jamaican part, no? No, well, I was, you know, you guys are from Atlanta, and when I moved to Atlanta in 2000, I think it was like 14, 15, 14, I lived with Block, Big Block, Russell Spencer, Big Block. And he married Chris Kelly, you know, his wife. Chris Kelly was big, he signed her, he moved from Jamaica, moved a family out here, I mean, out to Atlanta. Like he just held it all the way down for them, you know what I'm saying? Chris Kelly's the wonderful artist, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? And living with them, that's my sis, like, period point blank. So you got to adopt the accent. Yeah, and her from her dad, and her brother, and her mom, and like everything. Did you learn any recipes? Did you know how to cook? No, they don't tell you nothing. They're not doing nothing. They want you to come back. Chris Kelly will make a punch, and she'll be like, this is the rum punch, the rum punch. I'm like, I was just looking, trying to see, she's like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. That punch will get that a F you up. Every time. Yeah, yeah. So what's been going on, man, with the projects, man? What do we got to look forward to from Columbus? Let me tell you, man, God has been truly good. Out of my 15 years being in this business, I finally got invited to Essence Fest. Wow. And it was awesome. I heard it was awesome this year. It was awesome, and I got to, like, you know, see my movie with our people. And, man, I got to tell you, I like. What movie was it? It's called Remember Me. I remember that. You talked about that on the last show. Yeah, Lettuce and myself, and Janet Hubert, and Wendy Raquel Williams, and Vanessa Calloway. How did everybody receive it? I mean, what? How did everybody receive it? It was powerful. So, like, we had a Q&A afterwards, and there was one lady at the last second. You know, it was all of us on the panel, and this was in the private room. She rose her hand, and they were about to close out, and she goes, so what are we doing? So what now? What's next? I mean, like, what are we doing? We're there, like, when is the movie coming out, base? I thought that's what they meant. What's she meant? Nope. What did she mean? What are we doing as a people? That's dope. That's dope. What are we doing next? How are we going to do this? How are we making a change? And I was like, pfft. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody was like, pfft. Nobody had an answer? No. I mean, I had an answer. I said, we start with art. I said, we start with art, because art has all, if you go back to the Nazis, when Gerbils, he was the, he sent out that propaganda, and one of the biggest ways of propaganda that the Nazi party used was film, if you really know your history. Right? So the propaganda, Gerbils was using film to propagate the agenda. So what is our agenda? What is our agenda? We need to come together. To unify. Right. Come together as a people. Not just us as a people, humanity. Right. Right. So, you know, the stories of slaves. I'm tired of hearing about these slaves. I'm tired. I'm over slaves. Because I ain't going to slave to nothing. So why I want to watch slaves? You know, there's a whole thing going on about board apes right now. Like, why would I want to be a board ape when they've called me a nigger and called me a ape my whole life? That doesn't make no sense to me. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, that's, through media, we can propagate an agenda that unifies the world. That's what I think. I don't, you know, but I may can't read it all, but I know this much. When you use film, television, music, it's a unifying language. It is, but I always say with film, I think we need to, you know, come out with, because the society we were in, just like we were talking about earlier, TV tend to try to put whatever sells. And right now it's reality shows. And reality shows is showing a lot of the fights, the cat, the cursing, all of that. I hate it. I hate it as well. Because that, to me, that's not unifying anybody. So creating film that actually showing love, showing unity, showing a household filled with a mom and dad and how, you know, how to treat each other. Yes, you can show some arguments because it's reality. We are going to argue. We are going to, you know, but showing coming back together at the end of the day. I agree. Because kids are watching this or adults are watching this and they don't know because a lot of people are raised in broken homes. So they don't know how to emulate a good household because they've never been in one. So by seeing it on TV because we emulate what we see and what we hear. But we were watching the Cosby show. Me. Right. Okay. And I swear that was my mom and that was my dad. Exactly. Me too. Period. Same way. Yeah. I mean, but yeah, then your hero, your guy, your dad touching on doing, I mean, let's call a spade a spade. Right. This wasn't no grand conspiracy. Cosby was touching up young girls taking advantage of them. Right. You know what I mean? Sprinkle, sprinkle, sprinkle. But that didn't happen. That didn't come out till later on. So as a child, so as a child watching those things, you didn't know that as a child. No. So that didn't actually. I watched the documentary, right? Right. And I was like, let me see what, let me see what's going on. And while I turned up the documentary, I'm like, I was like, oh, hell no. Like all these women. So why do I, my mom used to say all your teachers can't be lying on you, Keith. My middle name, Keith. Yeah. So they were like, he talking in class, he cracking jokes he's doing. He acting up. And then all my teachers used to call, you know what I mean? Had my mom. All your teachers can't be lying on you. Lying on you. I tell my kids that. All your teachers can't be lying on you. All of them. I'll give you one, but you ain't give all of them. All of them. Everybody's saying the same damn thing about you. It's gotta be some truth to it. That's what I'm saying. So that's funny. When I watched the documentary, I was like, and he was telling real stories and then other people were chiming in. And I was like, man, that's not, and that's one of the things that I pride myself on in my career, that women feel comfortable working with me. That's been me. You know what I mean? Like I never want to, I never, I was raised by women. I never wanted women to feel uncomfortable, even if we were doing something sexually boom in the scene or whatever. Like we're here to work. Yeah. I mean, and I always made that clear. I know the fact you're talking about that because one thing I remember, I wanted to say last time I didn't get a chance to ask you, but I've seen a lot of actors and actresses who, you know, co-hosts on the show and so forth. Always after the show, they always end up in a relationship. Whether there might be another relationship somewhere around or whatever, but they always end up together somehow. How hard is it to keep your relationship professional being in a, being, you know, playing a role where the other person might be right. I had to learn a real hard lesson early. A lot of people don't learn. I had to learn a real hard lesson early that a lot of people don't learn. So, you know, when I was choreographing and creative directing for Brittany Spears, you know what I mean, we, we smashed. What? You hit Brittany? I smashed. Once, once. Exactly. That's not a big deal. That's not a big deal. We don't talk about body counts. I'm just saying. Damn, she wanted those girls. That kind of body. That kind of body. She got the bill with the motion. I ain't got the body. It was Brittany. Brittany Spears. Hey, bro. That's dope. Like that. Many people can't say that. No. So you, so you, so you didn't keep it professional. Right. You know, once you went back, no, once you go black, you don't suppose to go back. No. No. Yeah, silly. She went back. What? That'd be so silly. Dang. What? This is Brittany, man. So how do you keep it professional? After that, if we're going to be serious, it messed up a lot because my girlfriend was a dancer. And that's why, you know, I was like low-key cheated on my girlfriend. Wait, Brittany. You know what I'm saying? And I just, on that Rome trip, you know what I mean? I'm just saying this because it's facts. Like, man. I was young, man. He was young. Man, I'm about to be 40 next month. At the end of the day, they were young. I know. So many times I see it though. I see it. That's his first scene. He got in there. No. Okay, but that was then. Was it easier? No, but I'm saying I learned a hard lesson. Don't shit where you eat. That's dope. That's the truth. So even if you're... So even if I'm not... When I'm doing a movie... So you're not going to get caught in that moment ever again? Hell no. I'm not... By the way... What do you think about when you kissing them? Well, okay. Let me tell you a secret story. So me and Megan grew up together. Me and Megan grew up, right? Okay, I remember that. Correct. You said that, but... Yeah. Well, I had to take three shots of tequila. You said that? Yeah, I told you. That's real talk. And she did, too. Because we were... That's my sister, like... But I'm out. That's not lily. I don't work for marriage. You couldn't even tell y'all was... But imagine having a lead with somebody that... You couldn't tell y'all was, you know, having drinks before the scenes. We was in a bar. What you mean? Yeah, but... Exactly. They were. I just thought about that. There you go. That scene, y'all. That was where it happened. That damn show. Y'all was dancing and everything. They were dancing in a bar. But I had what you mean. Damn show was. They didn't kiss no more after they did it. No, we didn't kiss no more. Damn show did it. Damn, man. No, one kiss. But we got nominated. Man in dope, though, man. We got nominated for MTV Movie Awards, Best Kiss, 2008 Movie Awards. Wow. That's crazy. But have you ever been in a scene where you were with an actress that you probably even admire or thought she was the bomb and end up in a, what should I say, sexual scene? I mean, in real, you mean like making art turn into life? Or what are you talking about? Yeah, like, okay. So you're in a scene and you like her, not like or like her like that, but you think she's fine, whatever. And you're making love in the movie. How can you keep it where it's just... Okay, so that's a great question. Let me answer that. So the way I work as a director, I'm like a very... I have the ability as an actor to create chemistry with anybody. Okay. Right? I can create chemistry with anybody. But also, I'm also strategic about where the camera angles are. What's happening? What's with lighting? Well, this is all choreography. Okay. This is not... That's real. I'm saying we're not, you don't have time. I'm trying to follow love with you. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to do a scene. Get the scene done. Get on out of here. I'm trying to get home. You know what I'm saying? Like, let's knock this out. You know what I'm saying? When they say action, I'm going to make you feel like I love you. That's your job. That's my job. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I'm going to touch on you right. Love on you right. But then, boom, when we say cut, boom, I'm trying to get up out of here. That's crazy though. That's so weird. But just to turn that off, because you know, they say your mind and your heart is two different things and you're in a moment. Now there's times, I've never been, I've never fallen, well, that's a lot. One. You're on the story, man. Okay. Tell me who. Give it up. Give it up. It took, it took, it took three seasons. Okay. But Shonda Rhimes had given me a co-star. I mean, I like, I love it just. I'm like, man, you got Guillermo here smashing. You got Darby out here smashing. Yeah, I mean, everybody in IPO getting, getting, getting, getting some cut. Except Harrison, and I'm like, the f***. You hasn't got to get something somewhere. You got to leave that out. I said, what in the, and finally she gave me one. And, you know, it was interesting how it, how it went down, but her, I'm not going to say no names. Okay. She, she, you know me, she gave me one. Yeah. Okay. And then I was like, I won. That's real talk, man. Do you think it's cause she made you wait that it was the right one? Cause, you know, I'm going to tell you the first time I was ever in a scene where I was like, yo, I was like, yo, because I didn't want to meet. I'm very, I'm a method actor. I remember you told me that. Yeah. So I didn't want to see her until I saw her. And when you seen her, you like, I was like, okay, they killed me with this. You got me going to amnesty in a national man. Wow. So we, you know, that I really did garner a real relationship with her. And that's the kind of the only time. Yeah. I'm going to keep it, keep it above. Yeah. Because it's hard because I see it all the time and I'm like, I know it's hard, but you know, it's possible because I know other people who have been in like leading roles and did scenes like that and still went home to her, you know, wise or significant. But you got to realize this. And, you know, not yet. Pete, you got to realize if you're every day pretending, see, this is why I don't play gay roles, right? Because I don't want to, that's not, I don't want to be in that world. I can't, I can't do that. I'm not gay. Do you know what I'm saying? Some actors have the ability to do that. I don't. So, you know what I mean? Me either. So, but when you create chemistry with a leading woman and you guys are, you know, the script is, you're going on a journey, not only a journey in the scriptural way. Emotional. You know, you're going on a process on production. Right? You guys, you know, you're on a movie set with somebody for three months. You got to, it's a grind, it's a war, it's a battle. And then, boom, you're actually creating this chemistry and this vibe that actually turns you, you know, so that is all, it's not, you know, that's what happened with Mr. Mr. Right. You feel me? Right. Angelina, Angelina. Exactly, exactly. That's the biggest one. Yeah, but, and you know what I'm saying, but just because this is where you get intoxic relationships because just because you do a movie and you guys are creating some chemistry, you know, it even goes down to friendships. You think some people are your friends just because you made a movie with them for 68 days, they're not your friends. Right. You just created your into mental illness and I know you deal with that depression and all of that and I know a lot of people out here especially because of COVID and everything that people go through dealing with it. I love the fact that a lot of people are coming out talking about it, but there's a lot of people who still need healing, people need to, because even after the show, you sat down with one of our co-hosts trying to talk to him and you know, you're still going through and he's still going through stuff. Just go forward, the thing, the way how you react. The reacting to... To a different situation because I know before you would always reacting rage or, you know, act out. So where does that stem from? Did I say this on the last one? Because I'm now, now it's once a week, but before I was doing two times a week. Therapy. Yeah. And it was important. That's awesome because you're growing, you're getting better. Right. I don't have, you know, I had to go get all my diagnosis right. Like, I want to know what's wrong. I got to get up under the hood. Right. You know what I'm saying? See what we're doing. So what was the word started? I think childhood, you know, not think. It's childhood, you know, when you're raised in trauma, you know, trauma, drama, whether it's from your mama or anybody else. Just do something else. I knew what's coming. I love this guy there. So, you know what I'm saying? I think, you know, you carry that into adulthood when it's unchecked. You know what I mean? And, you don't know what really anybody's going through. You don't know what they experience, abuse. I was never molested by a man, but, you know, I was molested by females. An older female. That was babysitting me. Yeah. When I was a kid. So, you know what I mean? Sexualized me. You know what I mean? Too soon. You know what I mean? But, really, my thing was anxiety. And, anxiety and PTSD is tough. Yeah. And people think that PTSD is only from people who have been in the military or something like that. No, war is war is war is war. Mm-hmm. Trauma is trauma is trauma. Trauma, whether you've seen your man in battle get blown up or you see your boy get shot in the street. Yeah. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Same thing. Mm-hmm. Same thing. We just don't get on uniforms. So, you were reacting from all of that and just didn't know? Right. I mean, you know, I knew that I would have my issues, but it was like, you know, like, let's get down to the bottom of it because I need to, I'm being called to a new level. Right. Right. So, it's like, I have to make sure that I'm ready for that next level. So, how many years were you going through all of that before you started finding no, before you started finding help, before you start, because you have to be the one who say, I need help. Nobody else can see that. Nobody said I need help. I was like, I need to talk to somebody that understands. Right. Because my, my stories are not, my shares are like not regularly. Like, I need to get it there. It's like you, like, the one, that guy that I met the first time I've ever seen you at the, at that Palladium Ballroom in Dallas, Texas when you was angry as hell at night and you being the actor and just that, who I thought you was, that didn't, I never seen you as an angry person until that night. I'm just being real when they miss what you money, you know, anybody gets mad when you miss what money. But we wouldn't know seeing you, we didn't know. No, no. So, so like, like, just keep it a buck. Like I was, I was, I'm a gang member. That's crazy, man. You know what I'm saying? So I grew up fighting. I fought Black boys, Black boys, Bloods, Crips, my own people. That's how you resolve your issues. We, we, we, we line it up. You know what I mean? That's the only way I knew. Do you know what I mean? Line it up That's it. That's it. You know what I'm saying? I'll operate only by code. I wasn't just some wild maniac walking with the street. But I'm like, I'm about to be 40 September 19. And, you know, I'm trying to do some amazing things for not only our people, but for Homo sapiens for us. You know what I'm saying? And so, you know, we can't be proud of, you know, at a certain point, everybody, everybody watching, you know what I mean? What's the word? You can't be a victim to your past. Exactly. Like, just because you were grown up in the projects, and you had to do this, you had to do that, change your, change your reality. Because you don't realize, and I was just saying somebody this earlier, I say you don't realize that everything that you go through and how you react to things, and yes, you push people away and you're angry and you just can't deal with anybody. You, as much as you don't have any movement, and all of a sudden they start acting out and acting like that, and you don't want to pass down your trauma to your children. So if you don't, you have to create change. It's called breaking generational curses. Exactly. And that's what we're in the business of. I think our generation is the one that's breaking it, right? Exactly. If you go back to like when J. Edgar Hoover dropped crack in the hood, you know what I'm saying? When he dropped crack in the hood, broke up black families. Yeah. He was out here strung out. Mama's out here crack babies being born. You know what I'm saying? No. It changed up the whole. He just that changed up our ecosystem right there. Yeah. I mean, now we have a chance to change it. I believe I believe we should change it. And I, you know, and that's also, you know, I'm not being trying to be too opinionated on this, but I'm saying these women on IG, you know what I mean? I got to like represent. You got daughters. Yeah. What you training them to do. So you're training daughters to be thoughty. Yeah. That's what we're doing. Thoughty Tiana. A lot of, a lot of them. Thoughty Tiana. But again, it's a generation. That's right. You exactly right. But you got to think about this. It's a generation that we're in. Whereas they're trying to make money. They're trying to get paid off of views and all of that. Not all of them. No, but listen, but listen, but what I'm saying is that. You know, hold on, hold on. I'm not letting this slide. You are not watching that person. You're watching the person that is showing all the skin and talking about it whatever. And all of that. The person who is taking care of her family. Right. But the person who is trying to do all of the what you represent. The person who is trying to do all the right things, you're not watching her. You're not giving her views. You're not trying to help her. You understand what I mean? I feel you on that. So that's why even like with TV shows, reality shows sell because that's what everybody's watching. You want to flip it on it? I'm going to flip it on. Okay. So they're good. So all these chicks, who they going and they messing with. NBA players, actors, celebrities, blah, blah, blah, playboys. Right. Like myself. Okay. Right. Boom. Then what happens when the UPS driver, that's, you know what I mean? Just want to love you. Just want to, just want to build a family with you. Right. He's not in the tax bracket. He can't help me. He can't, he can't do it. He ain't in the tax. What about the nigga that manages little Caesars? He can't, he can't do it. He can't do it. I mean, the nigga that been managing Papadose for 10 years, got a little, got a little pension. He got the right type of girl. No. No he don't. No. See, because no. So broke niggas came They came though. Bro, niggas can't cheat cause peel. They do it all the time too. It's over. It's over. They do it. They do it. It's over. They do it. It's over. Yeah, the sale, to me, the selling point is already out there. I'm talking about when you, when you, when you pay a, you're a celebrity or you have some kind of stack, you get a, look at, look at, look at that. Yeah. Yeah. What's that? Older. Older. Older. Older one. The new one. The new one. He got it too. He been back to back. Back to back. Back to back. The only one I've seen really come out of that situation, okay. And he really gone crazy but he got it. Kind of. Kind of. That's the only one he made. He the only one that made it out. And he moved with it. He's still kissing it. But he was crazy enough to go in there. You got to be on a certain mindset to go into that, that whole family and come out like that. Well, I'm going to speak highly of them and I'm going to be real because Chris. But they build a brand. They build. Chris, I love you, Chris, have you seen it? Chris, Chloe, Kim, Courtney, Kylie, Kendall, all of them, those are my girls. You know what I'm saying? Like. They're business gurus. Yeah. And they, and they really all try to make great. Wow. So what did our mama's teach us? That's dope. That's dope. So how are we going to talk? They created that job. We can't talk down. We can't talk down. We can't talk down. Nothing. My mama didn't teach me how to have a billion dollars by the right time I was 21. Man, that's dope. Do you know what I mean? They did. She did her job. Do you know what I mean? She did her job. She did her job. So, you know, but yeah, you know, we grew up all in this, like, it's interesting to see like, we're talking about all these kind of flies, like making good and myself. And, you know, Raven Simone and Kerry Washington. No, no, I'm talking about the you are talking about Hollywood, okay? When we was coming up together. You know, Raven Simone, Lindsey Lohan, you know, Sam Brittany, you know, we were the Hollywood, you know, Hollywood kids. Right. Yeah. I mean, and it's interesting to have the ability to be, to make life changing. I mean, earth changing. To give back. Decision, yes, it's always about giving back and that's why I started my NFT company. It's important that we educate people in the NFTs. It's growing. It's growing. It's coming, people are getting smarter. The space is bare, it's a bare market right now in the crypto space, but if people just trust. It was a big drop off after you left my show. Yeah. It was. Yeah, Elon Musk came on the thing and said, what the hell? Yeah, Twitter. He went in there. It happened. Yeah, it was a big drop. But I want to ask you something. And what was the drop? He just said it was like the crypto plump, like it went down. Okay, cause I was telling the truth. So boom, like Luna dropped. Boom, when Luna went down, people were trying to kill theyself. Yeah. It went crazy, right? Boom, Luna went down. And then this dude did this ridiculous NFT project. And it was just ridiculous to me. You know what I'm saying? No real utilities. Yeah, if I don't know how much you guys know about what a utility is like. So for example, I'm dropping these orcas soon, coming soon. I wish I had my phone. But they're like, they have a utility chest and it opens in all your utilities. So what are we dropping through there? Movies, TV, music, events, right? Oh, you want to hear boss talk? We can drop y'all through there. Right. Yeah, I mean, y'all want to boom, boom, boom. But now, so let's say for example, you guys are doing a boss talk. You know, for me, how many lists do you have? Let me just ask you that. 60,000. 60 some thousand. How many? 60,000. 61,000. It's still growing, yeah. Okay, so now let's say, you said to your listeners, we're doing a big boss talk one-on-one. You're allowed to come to the venue. Yeah, that's what we've been talking about. That's $250. I'm giving you the play right now. That's exactly what it is. So it's $250, right? Now let's say out of your 60,000, half of them engage, 30,000. Let's say 25,000. Right, at 250,000, 25,000, do the number, that's 6.25 million. That's right. Right. We've been talking about that. That's what I'm saying. So when you start thinking outside, you know what I mean? But also, but putting Bunny back in, it's not about just getting money. That's what the community is scared of when they deal with celebrities and uneducated people in the space. Yeah. Is them just coming in, snatch and grab, go and leave it. You know what I mean? That happens a lot. That's what they're doing. Because they ain't nothing like, you know what I mean? I don't want to drop names. I don't want to stop them. No, it doesn't happen. I know, I see it as obvious. So I'm trying to build an ecosystem in which we hold and we put our money back into the blockchain. Our blockchain continuously, it's like that, like have you ever seen those water fountains? Like you're like, those big water fountains. Yeah, the one we said in front of them. Yeah, those big, it's just recycled water. Yeah, it is. That's right. They're not wasting water. That's just recycling the same water. Right. It's just in the thing. Yeah. And that's what we're doing. I wanted to ask you something. And this is totally our base, but Will Smith came out since me and you had our show. Aw. And he apologized. I apologized. And I said, I knew you had a problem with it. I knew, I said, man, cause I'm just gonna like this. I'm just gonna say it. I knew you weren't with it. But hold on. But did you know? It was ridiculous. It was not with it. I knew you weren't with it. But did you know that Tony Rock said, not Tony, Chris Rock said, I don't want no apologies. He wasn't ready for it. He wasn't ready for it. I gotta say it on my Dave Chappelle voice. It's crazy. It was ridiculous. Do you believe him? Could you believe him? He said, just wait. He's ridiculous. Some of them, Will Smith my hero, independent state. Welcome to Earth. It messed you up. Messed me up. Did you believe he was sincere with his apology? Do you believe he was sincere with his apology? Oh, you think somebody co-hurst him into saying it? I think Will's lost. I don't know what's going on with him. He's been through a lot. I don't know. Like, it just, it was a sad day for me. I know he was upset. And I wasn't upset. And I was just like, dude, I was like, I'm like, you didn't have to, like, y'all gotta do, y'all gotta, you could do a normal apology. You could apologize in part. Like now you, oh, I wanna say, you know. He stopped. He stopped. I can't even do it. I can't do it. You didn't wanna do it. I can't do it. I was so sad. It was tough. Did you watch it? His apology? Yeah. I did. I felt it. And I felt that. I'm sorry for smacking it in your face. And the part that I felt the most, the part that I felt the most is when- Apologize to the guy that did the show, who's Oscar it was, and I really, I didn't mean it. Yeah, yeah. Well, the guy was nice. But he was sorry to even his parents. He said, I apologize on his own. Oh, I didn't see the full apology. No, you're kidding. I just got the clips. She's got that. I said to shut it down. No, I didn't get the full. He said he, because it didn't only affect Chris Rock, it affect his mom, his brother, because he said he was in a good relationship with his brother. They were awesome relationships. Oh, Tony and Tony. Yeah, yeah, Tony and my boys. But their relationship is now done because of it. Yeah, but I mean, you got, when you smack somebody in public on an Oscar stage, that's a relationship killer. I suppose to, I think I've seen relationships end over spades. But Will Smith, because of who he is. I've seen relationships end over re-nics, so I think. But because of Will Smith and who he is, there's always gonna be a comeback from it. Yeah, he can come back, but he gotta disappear for a second. That's why he's been off social media for a while, till the apology. I had a chill, bro. I had a chill. You got a chill right now, bro. I had a chill, like everybody goes through it. You know what I mean? But he just was bigger than me. You know what I'm saying? But he went out the way. I would never walk on stage and smack another black man in front of the company. He was going through it. Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't care. We can catch the fade outside in the backstage. We can catch the fade by the trailer, line it up, whatever. Because one of the questions that he answered. But I'm not walking on stage and smacking nobody. Because one of the questions he answered in this apology because what he was doing, he was actually answering some of the questions that people had. And one of the questions, because everybody felt like Jada sort of pushed him on there because of the look that she had on her face. But she was like. I'm so sick and tired of Will and Jada right now. Let's bring him Jada. It's time for Jada and it's time for Willow. I need Jada and Will to sit down at STFU. And that's my opinion. And you heard it here first. I don't care what anybody think about it. I want to go back to your counseling sessions because you didn't actually finish that statement because you said you were going through counseling. You reduced to once a week. So what have you learned about yourself during that time that you've been in there and what are you doing? I lived and I was living in a state of fear. I was afraid of success. I was afraid of let down, afraid of disappointment, afraid, afraid, fear, fear. And fear is crippling, unaddressed, unchecked. Exactly. That was a big thing. How did you overcome it? Or how are you working to overcome it? Mindfulness, right? Mindfulness, meditation is big. I mean, meditation is like quiet. I do a body scan. You gotta take your time in the morning. Instead of the first thing you do when you're getting on IG, might wake up and meditate. I mean, and really check in with yourself. Check in with your body, check in with your mind, check in with your soul. And that's been, it's been invaluable. That's been my skill set. Cause I know that a person who's always had, cause everybody has anger issues in them and it just takes somebody saying one thing to really pop off. So I'm serious. So exactly. People can't, that's when you. So how can you learn to regret that? People gotta start eliminating triggers. I can't be, you know, I had to start, once I start taking off triggers, nothing affects me. Now you can say whatever you want. I ain't tripping. But until you do something dirty, dirty, then that nigga gonna come out. And they don't want that nigga. But that's real. But, you know what I mean? As far as like normal stuff, you know what I mean? You know, as a businessman, as a CEO, as a producer, as a leader of men and women, I have to take that responsibility. And it's the first time that I've actually had to like step into the position. Awesome. You know what I mean? And that with great responsibility, you know what I mean? And it really... Accountability, really. It's like we ain't playing out here. Because all the things that you've been through, you know. And it's not just about me though, like it's a lot of people. They don't watch you because people hold you at a certain esteem and that's what the people do for actors or musicians or whatever. Anybody on TV, when we grow up as kids and we're watching you, we hold you up here. Although people don't think about you as another human being. You make mistakes. You do this. They hold you up here. So when they see you do crazy stuff, it sort of like, it crushes them. Right, but I don't do crazy things. It just reported that way. I mean, I catch fakes. I've caught fakes, you know what I mean? So let me... So since you say that. These are known, people have seen you. They've laid your career out before everybody. And really, I'm being real. They've looked at your career. You've been like an open book to us. Yeah. That you was honest with us. Yeah. You went through whatever you went openly. So they really couldn't come at him a certain way. No. Because he was an open book. But as you say that, because we've had some friends. I do not beat women. That is like, let's check that off a little bit. I catch fakes with, I catch fakes if I have to catch a fake. Line it up when I have to line it up. You know what I'm saying? Oh, bang, I'll cut somebody out if I have to cuss them out. It's always for a reason. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's everybody that beat the Karen's. It's the Karen's. And there's male Karen's. I don't know what you call them. Ken's? What do we call them? Ken's, Mitchell's, Mitch's. I don't know what you call a male Karen. That, oh, they gonna boom bang bang bang. Then you bomb. And then, oh, what are you doing? He's out of control. Somebody stop this guy. How many times you heard that? I'm gonna sue you. I'm gonna sue you. I haven't heard that. I just get to, I just get to serve somebody. You don't hear it. You just get the paperwork. So, Mike, when Mike was on that airplane, he said that guy didn't sue him. Mike Tyson, wouldn't it? Oh, yeah. He let him make it. He let him make it. But boy, Mike gave him some blows. When Mike was, Mike is a chill dude. Mike would be like, hey, like, you know, oh, Mike, you know, you might, oh, Mike, what's up here? So, you know, it's like, you know, it's from my, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like, I'm trying to, I don't want to do it like this. Now, new Mike is like, he smoked blunt. I mean, smoked joint. Oh, yeah. He's going in. You know, come on, this is crazy when we don't look at it. Because, you know, when we start from the beginning, you know, like, you know, they come in that, they come in that. But don't think I want to fuck somebody up. Oh, he can say, his interviews be crazy. Like, I see like, dude, you seen him in the interview? I'm a lack, I'm an older man, but I don't think. Mike will fuck you up. Mike, check you in the interview. Have you seen his pocket? You've been on it. You're going on, Mike. Hell no, Mike. Have you seen him do this? Like, he be like, no, because I don't, but you know, he told, I seen him do booze. He liked it. I seen him do. He checked booze. He checked booze. But what's his booze? Yeah, he checked booze. It's been a few of them. He'll check everybody. He didn't check to do the eye-match you make yet. Nobody, Mike is a, Mike and I talk Christen. He made all his money back. Like, not all of it. But he made all his money back. He chilled. He don't want to, nobody made it. But did you come into his spain? He's like, he'll check you up. Like, you would tell him. He's like Columbus, I used to be a killer Columbus. These guys, these guys, all these guys around here, they were praying to me. Yeah? I was like, wow. I was like, this is Nick. Mike Corrigan. Mike Corrigan. Everybody's like, everybody's looking around. Like, Mike is going in on this. I love his, I love his podcast. No, Hot Boxing is amazing. He killed it. Listen, just like your podcast, like Boss Talk. 101. You guys bringing in the, bringing in the heat. You know, critical conversation. We having a good time too. You know, critical conversations about critical points. Yeah. Staying poignant. Yeah. Being a voice. Educating our community. You guys are the leaders of the space. You know, you're just coming. Coming everyday people. No, but, but, but. God is, God. God is doing it. But God, man, I just pray that, you know, he keeps a hedge of protection around. How are you Stephen? You know what I mean? Man, you my God, OC. Yeah, yeah. You motivated us to keep going a lot of the causes of the way you reach out. And like, you just embraced us. That's organic. Like, we know you, you give us confirmation. It's certain ones that give us confirmation. Like we got to keep this thing going. You got to keep it going. You one of those guys, bro. Listen, y'all. Boss Talk 101. And just for you. I'ma sing. This year. I did a little, I wrote a country record. What? I don't have my guitar on. So I was like. That's fine. Okay. Up and down, left and right. As long as you and me tonight and forever. So all that I'm asking you is what's a man to do? Hey, those hands are really high. Tire, ribbon in the sky. That I got you. So what's a man to do? Hey, lay back in the shade. No, I got it made. Cause I got you. So what's a man to do? It was a man to do. I can write. I like that. Tire ribbon in the, ooh, I like it. When is it coming out? We busting, we busting moves right now. When is it coming? It needs to hurry up and come out. Oh, we didn't need to hurry up. It needs to hurry up. It needs to hurry up. So when is the project gonna be fully released? Do you really have a date? Or are you still working on different EP's? Well, everything I do now I have to be binary and I'm doing a lot of things. And when you do a lot of things, people get confused about what's what. So I wanna, Orca, my organization, representing community association, the Orcas, which the Orcas, which is organization representing community association, you know, that a lot of these things are gonna be birthed through. That's what I thought you were probably gonna do is put it on at Orca. Yep, put it. We're gonna just start dropping stuff through, or like Snoop, people don't know, like Snoop got records. You know what I mean? So if they wanna hear it, they can't just go on any streaming platform. They gotta be a part of the holder. They gotta be one of these. You gotta be one of these. You see that? You can show the camera. The Orcas coming soon, baby. Isn't that what she told us about Snoop's song that they took them off of streaming platforms to put them in NFT? Yes. That's what they did. That's what they did. That's exactly, and my project manager is the same project manager. So you don't wanna reinvent the wheel. Right. Follow the ones that did it right. Trust the ones that do it right. Listen to your advisors. Even if you have a company and all, I'm saying this to all the young entrepreneurs out there. Build yourself a team that you can trust, just because you're the entrepreneur, just because you're the CEO or whatever. Listen to your people. And you'll have people, the elder priestess, eldest priestesses, those are the ones that'll get you up through there. One thing I wanna say, hold on. Hold on, I've been wanting to ask this question because last time whenever we interviewed you, a fan reached out and was like, you didn't ask about this, you know how I do it. Oh yeah, yeah, what? So you did scandal, but you were let off of scandal. Why did they let you off of scandal? Well, it was weird because they weren't gonna fire me. We finished the season three. I was up, I was probably about to be making like, probably about to be making like half a million to like 750 a week. Right. But my ex-wife at the time, I kicked her out of my house. And she waited, waited, waited, and then came up with some headline. She made the story up that I threatened to kill her and kill my daughter, which the bit was not, was absolutely false. Wow. And so, but the network, ABC and Disney, they knew it wasn't true because they know my whole entire life. Right. You know what I mean? So can't act like I, that's not real. So they was like no more headlines. So I dipped to Arizona. I like, I wanted to get out the way. She went in there with her home girl, tore up my house, did all this kind of crazy stuff, and then another headline came up. And Shonda was like, we just told you, we got you, but not one more headline. We're gonna have to let you go. Wow. But that wasn't even you. That wasn't even you. That was them. But that's how it went down. Wow. And you didn't even do anything. That's the way it being in politics, kind of like, whatever, you know. Yeah, because when I looked it up, it made everything seem like it was all you. Like you just did this and you were out of control. Like have you ever seen, like, I challenge all listeners, viewers, have you ever seen a face of a woman beat up and abused by Columbus Short? No. You could search, scour the internet. We ain't never seen, but yeah, I'm a wife. I'm an abuser. Don't you think these girls will be out here? Boom, post some pictures of me ever. Yeah, that's what you mean. Oh yeah, you see, right? Your picture surf is back up all the time, oh Chris, all the time. Then we're gonna go away. Then you know, then we're gonna go away. You know what I mean? Which is certain, if it happens for real, Evelyn with Chad Ocho Sinko lost his whole career. Yeah? Whole career. No, most definitely. Do I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like that's not a game. Right, where's way? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? People be losing their whole careers behind it. No, it's 100% true. But now these girls know they gotta knock that stuff off, man. They don't realize what they're doing. Stop whining on me. If you really get beat up, if you really get hit, all right. But I know people that are really abused, like people, women be putting hands on, paws on it. Yeah, they ain't doing both ways. And then they push it to the line and then they gotta get it off. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You gotta get it off of it. And then boom, they got caught up in a twist. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Just that quick. Just that quick. But it's the same woman who used kids as pawns. Yes. You know what I mean? Oh, pretty sure. You can't see this child on this, cause they wanna be in that relationship with you. But they don't realize it hurt them more than that. Did you have your first marriage? You said what? Did you have a daughter? He had a daughter. From my first man, I got married when I was 19. Yeah. It's Jaylin, who's at USC film school right now. And now he has two boys with his wife. Yeah, my current wife right now. I have Denzel and Liam. Yeah, I see them. I love them. I love them. Yeah, your kids are beautiful. Yeah, they beautiful. Man, love it, man. And then Ayala, you know, I had with my ex, the ex-wife. So, boom, they used kids as pawns. Yes. And, you know. I don't hate that. And it's unfortunate. You know, I think, you know, once the time gets right and I get in a real better position, I wanna start a 501C3 that supports men's, that wanna, men that wanna just be that. Like, why is it so difficult to be a dad? That would be awesome. Like, why do we have the faith to be a father? Because I don't wanna be with you. Yeah. Oh, just because I don't wanna be with you, I'm a bad dad. And why do you have to lose so many years with your kid just because you wanna be a good dad? Because I've heard men say, you know what? Yeah, that's him. He's like, I don't wanna deal with this drama. So, guess what? I'm gonna set my daughter for like four or five years before she moved with me. At 14, she came with me because her mother was basically playing. Going through issues. Games. Right. And I was like, I'm not gonna deal with that. We don't got time. Yeah. And I just went to work and took care of them. You lost so many years with that child. Yeah, and it's gonna take a reconciliation period and a reunification period. But I'm down to do that. Like, you know, I had to literally stop thinking about my daughter because it was making me sick. Yeah. I was missing her. So, I've been missing her since she's two years old. She's 10 now, you know what I'm saying? I haven't seen her in eight years. Damn. Wow. But Jamie told me, you know. Just wait. Just wait. It's gonna be all right. It's gonna be all right. They coming around. That's what he always says. He always says, when they get of age, when they can leave their mom and just reach out, they're gonna reach out. Yeah. Cause they know that anger that they're spewing it, the kid sees it, they know it's there. But they create a whole narrative and a whole memory of things that aren't true. Like, think about it. When you're two years old. And you've heard that child. Yeah, you know, you don't know what, and they're hearing all this stuff from their parent, the other parent that your dad just, or he's sick, or he's gone, or he doesn't watch you. Or he just saw the family over you. Oh yeah, oh yeah, they use that. That's the game they play. Yeah, and people don't realize it's like child abuse. It is. Because you're abusing of child's mentally before they even can figure out their own thoughts. It's something about the way you raise your child. I've seen somewhere, Tyler Perry, he got a seven year old and he will not talk to him about racism. Don't talk to him about it. Won't let him, I don't agree with that. You live in this world where it's there. I don't agree with that. But that's what he, that's what he's, that's big right now, TLD. He doesn't want to scar that child and put premeditated bruises in the child. I don't agree with that either. No, but you need to know how people see you when you come outside. But he's feeling like not every person, but not every person who is a different color of you see you like that. No, but you need to know that that's out with you. It's out of you. It's out of you. It's not racism, it is racism because we are one race. Homo sapiens are one race. We are one race. Cause when the sky crack open and the Zeta reticulants are the reptilian or whatever alien species want to come and be like, bomb, but we back. Yeah, I mean, we've been here, whatever is cracking, everybody going to be looking around. You don't remember when Reagan said that? Yeah. We are going to be looking around, holding hands, the independence debt. So, yeah, I mean, but we, you know, the being a, being prejudiced and a bigot against someone for the color of their skin or their nationality, it's just ridiculous. It is. I've experienced it my whole life, but I, you know, and I saw it on the other side. Yeah. Cause I traveled the world. I gotta go in a minute. Okay, so tell me one more thing. Okay, so upcoming films that you can talk about, tell us what's coming up for you. I just finished, I mean, remember me's coming out September on Hulu? Remember me, me, Lettucey, Wendy Wachail, well, Janet Huber, Keith Robinson, oh, Silverstone, Silverthroat, Keith, oh gee, Keith, it's Keith. Who else in it? Corbin Blue, it's amazing cast, Vanessa. Amazing cast, that's coming out and then we got, I just finished a movie called Life Without Hope, but I think we're on, I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's, man, I just saw a scene yesterday. I was like, oh, this might be something. That's gonna be a hit. Yeah, so I'm cracking with that. Directed by Leo Ritten and directed by Leo Sullivan. And, you know, I got a lot of stuff cracking, coming down the pike home. Listen, man, we love you. I can't talk about every single guy. I know, I know, that's why I said whatever you can talk about. I love you, listen, bro, we love you. I know, I know, I know, man. You my guy and wherever I'm at, I'm looking for you, man. I love you. Real talk, man, every time it's a blessing, man. We out here in LA, kicking in with Columbus short, man. Hey, man, thank you. I love, I'll talk 101, I'm gonna support them and watch this. Copy this, a year from now, they're gonna be one of the number one podcasts in the nation and the world. Let's go. We receiving, man. We receiving, I'll take that. Thank you, let's go. Thank you, man, thank you, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, where the bosses talk. And we out. There we go.