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So I got them Was their honey mustard added like oh, no, well, you know, cuz I I don't know I've never from four different types of sandwich Okay, there's a grilled chicken a spicy chicken a regular chicken or nuggets That's the same chicken Yeah Probably grilled grilled was a fine choice. Did you not being paid to say I know this sounds horribly commercial But he just gave us free gift cards cuz he's a nice guy. So we're just trying to thank him. Thank you We also at competing restaurants like Taco Bell and McDonald's I do Yeah What's the chick-fil-a alternative KFC oh KFC. Yeah That would be the most obvious. Yeah, look at a chicken is the alternative. That's there any others. There's no more national fast-food fried chicken chains besides Loco is good National it's it's rich is that's all pop eyes What else there's good chicken There Hermanos away, that's The chicken brothers that undefinable flavor that they okay. You guys about ready. Yes. Yeah Well, then 40 seconds Bird your Bird your way. I want to say the loins girls gonna say gird your loins. That's weird Guys, let's not let's leave that out of it chicken loins 20 seconds Just mentioned different cuts of meat Hey Scott Johnson, could you rely on three? You know what I'd be not only happy to do it, but more than happy to do it five four three two Thanks to everyone who supports Daily Tech News show directly to find out more head to Daily Tech News show dot com slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, Wednesday, September 19th 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from what feels like a local zoo sometimes because we got a snake a cat and two dogs. I'm Scott Johnson Try to steal Sarah and I'm Roger. Yeah, I get a dog and Scott's like, yeah. Well, you know what does what I have a real zoo I have a snake so there Hey folks, we're gonna talk about a couple of new reports out from strategy analytics and e-marketer Showing the shifting sands between smart speakers and ad sales and Amazon and Google and what that might mean for you But let's start with a few tech things you should know Apple has paid back thirteen point two billion euros and back taxes plus one point two billion euros in interest And the EU will now drop its litigation over Apple's tax relationship with Ireland The amount goes into escrow while Ireland pursues an appeal of the decision that it tax break to Apple was indeed illegal Hmm. Thanks for paying us back and what should be a surprise to nobody gear my Rambo at nine to five Mac notes That's some code in the setup app for the beta of iOS twelve point one Contains the string iPad 2018 fall Most people expect Apple to announce new iPads later this year So this is just more confirmation that that's probably gonna happen at this point anything like that I'm like it was an intentional thing. I might be wrong. It just Just don't even care anymore like y'all It's like let's just put some of the code and then someone will pick it up and it'll be a story Yeah, all right, let's talk a little bit more about nostalgia Scott Well, let's do that if you are fond of your childhood or your young adulthood or whenever this happened You might be excited about Sony's new announcement today that a miniature version of the original PlayStation game console is available for pre-order For one hundred dollars hundred euros or nine thousand nine hundred and eighty yen This launch is December 3rd. It's a worldwide launch comes with preloaded games There are 20 titles in total in total they include Final Fantasy 7 which I think is an odd pick Tekken 3 which is the best Tekken so I get that one recent Ridge Racer type 4 The bundle comes with two classic ps1 controllers and like I said 20 total games a lot of them serve first party a few third party If you're like me and you lived through this era very intently like I did You'll know that the initial 3d area era of the ps1 and n64 Don't hold up that well All these years later. They're okay. You're gonna have some nostalgia in some sectors Some people are gonna be really stoked about this, but I'm not sure this has me as excited as something like the super NES or the NES did I will say that as a fond. I used to actually stoke I had my old ps1 until it died and I remember plugging it into my HDTV and being disappointed at how blurry and jaggy and basically I Bendingly horrible everything looked at a and they're probably they'll probably address that with this unit But the thing that I find interesting is that the last generation of 2d sprite-based gaming with the SNES neo-geo whatever works holds up really well Not so what you were saying with the first gen of 3d gaming because they were just starting on the resolution textures were so low Yeah, they they had a kind of a low-poly thing going on They had like you say that kind of crusty ugliness I don't think that's gonna change here because we're talking about a Purist approach to these sorts of things they wanted to look like the original They may have some video settings for widescreen or filling in some blank areas You would normally have with four by three aspect ratio all of that wouldn't surprise me But they're gonna have a hard time convincing me That what we thought looked really cool in 1995 and 96 is gonna look really cool in 2018 Where as you can do that with pixel-based sprites and stuff Development is ongoing for games like that spend any time on on steam or any other Place where you can get indie games hundreds of them are made in that aesthetic and it holds up and it works Both modern and old. I'm not sure about this stuff. So Whoever's excited. I'm jazzed for you if this thing was 49 bucks I'd probably just do it out of obligation to my love of video games, but at 100. I just don't know if it's worth it Well, what's interesting is that most of those games are already out either in some back catalog You can backward compatible the games on ps3 like you can take an old ps1 game and you stick at ps3 play That there I feel jumping on the whole nintendo is having a lot of success with these issuing of retro consoles whether that's the nes or SNES and they seem to be doing well So why don't we try our hand at it and try to make it? Yeah, what's wrong with that? Nothing, but it's nostalgia stuff. Let's make a nostalgia play of our own people probably like that, too No, I it's you know, it makes sense It'll totally make sense But like nintendo they've been reissuing a lot of these games for They don't people don't play them Because I don't know I think there's two different reasons for playing them One is you just want to play them the other is you want the little thing that looks like the original thing, right? Oh, definitely. Definitely. Yeah, and that's what people are going to line up for again I think it's a little pricey for that But why not like we're going to get this gen there's a genesis one that's planned It's a little late right now got announced today. It was being delayed Like there's other stuff on the way Your nostalgia for video games will be well served in 2018 2019. I can promise you that Google is launching emergency location service also known as el s on android and the us virgin islands and t mobile on the mainland with other carriers to follow el s uses gps Wi-Fi mobile towers and sensors to provide a more accurate location to emergency dispatchers works on all versions of android 4.0 or newer And also doesn't require a soft software update by the user. So that's important Especially into if it's an emergency el s is already available on android in 14 other countries Yeah, so it just is able to collect the sensor Data from the phone It does not pass through google servers. That's an important note as well It is only sent if you activate an emergency call 911 here in the us And it has where it has been used in other countries It has proved to be a lifesaver in situations. There's one austrian Hiker I think uh who broke his leg and under the old system. They would have had a 900 square meter Area to look at instead. They had a 32 square meter area and they found him and he's fine now Whereas they might not have found him otherwise. So this is this is a big deal Yeah, I like it. Uh, it seems like everybody, uh, we're we're starting to see incremental services being added To our phones and our devices and our wearables that are a lot more granular now about specific needs Like it's great that we have phones and they're cool that we have a little screen in our pocket And we're basically living in the future But how about we really get in here and make them more smart about your health? They're more smart about emergency services or whatever it may be and this this is a great step toward that I like that a lot Last week the california farm bureau and the far west equipment dealers which represent john deere among others Signed an agreement regarding repairing farm equipment. This was uh commented on by wired today Motherboard or vice particular or yeah, motherboard is vice motherboard had it last week by 2021 according to this agreement Farmers will get access to service manuals product guides onboard diagnostics and some other info these are all things Mostly that the equipment dealers association voluntarily agreed to early this year So they didn't give up anything it's stuff. They'd already said they were going to do In exchange farmers the equipment's owners Agree not to reset immobilizer system and security modules. Those are the copyright protection settings They agree not to reprogram control units or engine control modules Often the thing you need to do to fix something They agree not to change settings that might negatively affect emissions or safety They agree not to download or access source code for proprietary embedded software, which is sometimes Necessary in order to modify your tractor to do something that you want it to Meanwhile, the american farm bureau federation the national corn growers association and the national farmers union are all trying to work with the EFF to petition the u.s copyright office to give farm equipment an exemption from the digital millennium copyright act But taking california, which is by some estimates the largest Uh producer of farmed goods certainly for for nuts and fruits Out of the equation you take a big Influencer out of this and it's going to be much harder for them to prevail Meaning it's going to be harder to repair your tractor in certain instances if you're making you're like a you have a lemon grove in arizona And I think that's a bad example, but but something that's And not having california there for your To negotiate with you or to be a part of your overall pressure. That's a huge ding it's a little It'd be like losing the entire the entirety of california as a population when it comes to other populace issues It seems bad Yeah, it's a very influential voice at the table that will no longer be at the table because it's signed this agreement Which didn't get anything new? Yeah Now, you know The the the equipment dealers that have been trying to combat propaganda about this and saying look You know, this is this is going to let you still work on your equipment It's going to help you do all kinds of things and and those concessions that they I'd already agreed to earlier this year Were steps in the right direction? But having having such a large farm bureau Sort of stop the negotiations mean progress gets stopped and it means that the companies Now have tighter control over farm equipment Then in some cases music the music industry has over the equipment you use to play back music That's true. Well, you know what the future is California is its own country I'm calling her right now and everyone rumbles about it and rumors about it But here's your chance. You got all the farmer influence. You're ready to go split off become your own place It's going to be hard if you get bananas scoppin, okay Or almonds particularly Well, uh amazon is in the news. They want to make it clear No one in california believes the california is going to split off a bit. There's a bunch of crap So anyway case that wasn't clear that scott was joking onward to them. Oh, yes, please keep your emails to yourself I was absolutely kidding Amazon launched the alexis Excuse me. I don't want to say this wrong the a word gadgets toolkit. You know what a word I'm talking about folks To help device makers connect with amazon echo through bluetooth the kit lets devices react to the wake word You know that word sink movements to the echo speech and respond when a timer has expired Or an alarm alarm has been triggered amazon has partnered with toy maker hasbro And bigmouth billy bass maker. Wow. We they make a lot of other stuff But imagine like sinking up the movements of speech from the echo with I mean bigmouth billy bass Is the is the case study for this and it's probably going to be novelty items and toys at least to begin with Did anyone else Think that the billy bass thing was no longer a thing you could even get I was I was a little surprised you can still buy those I never understood why they were funny in the first place Because it's a big fish that sings to you sarah. What is not to love about that? I don't I'm sorry He was slightly lost on me, but that is me. They're here nor there. Uh, it's it's nice to know that hasbro Has some options going forward. Well, I remember the the little lights Uh that amazon made that sync up to video game playing it was a little It was it was a video game It was a game that you could play like a trivia game Basically amazon's opening it up for third parties to make stuff like that So if you're having a hard time imagining what this will be bigmouth billy bass is just one way to imagine how it would work It's a fish that can move its mouth as if it's talking like the echo is Uh, but but there could be some other cool games and and and implementations of this but mostly toys Yeah, well the tron the big central computer and tron. What was the name of that thing? Is it just called the master control unit master? Yeah, was that it? I want a big Face I want a big projected face like that on a wall that will that will talk when my Echo talks and I want it to be in the voice of that like you could get real creative Yeah, master control program program Yeah, mcp not mcu. Right. There's not Presidging the marvel cinematic No, but the idea of being able to do some creative stuff and have some More creative people than me come up with some great great ways to do this could Help amazon continue to be strong in that market because later in the show we're going to talk more about how maybe that's not so true anymore, but Uh, yeah, I I love this idea more more user customization, please Scott and roger. I'm not totally positive. You don't have echo shows, but I know tom does Yeah, think about this on some level if you were asking the echo show which had a video display Something that didn't require video to answer the question What would be the face that you want talking back at you? Leonard Nimoy Oh, wow. All right, but you'd have to synthesize his voice or sample it from old work, right? That's how you didn't get it. Well, and do that you could already do that with the echo show This new skills kit would let you have a 3d mask of Leonard Nimoy on the wall Those lips would move and talk to you. Yeah, that's not creepy at all Very hard to compete with. I'll also vote for Leonard Nimoy. I say batman Which one any of them? I would probably take the I would probably take the uh, is it rock star games that created arkham asylum Is it Rocks, uh, I forgot, but let's say it is batman. Okay. All right. Just be an Computer. Yeah, jen computer generated batman with Kevin The voice of batman i'm all in roger now has my vote. Sorry tom. I've already left to your platform Well, if you want to be further impressed have I got the story for you David anderson of ride berg technology as a co-author of a paper posted to ar xiv Describing an alternative to conventional antenna. Okay, it uses vapor cells filled with a gas of cesium atoms That are excited above their ground state Which makes them sensitive to radio waves and then as a user you can zap them with a laser light and saturate them In a way that makes other laser beams pass through radio waves affect the process and cause the second laser beam To flicker then measuring the flickers receives the signal and since it's all optical It won't get fried by solar flares or other electromagnetic interference Yeah, so the upshot of this right is that you have an antenna that is more resistant to interference Uh, potentially could be smaller although right now the equipment you need to do to have to to operate backup systems Makes it really really bulky So eventually this thing is going to end up in ships and cars before it ends up in your phone But maybe someday I mean atomic clocks in the fifties were super big and now we can have them in our bedside table clocks So this could be this could improve reception quite a bit Which we haven't made a lot of progress with in the last several decades Big big stuff. Thank you. David Anderson. Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com Okay, we got two studies to talk about today strategy analytics Estimates google's home mini is now topping the charts shipping 2.3 million units in q2 worldwide Making it the most popular smart speaker model number Amazon's echo dot is number two just behind with 2.2 million and 18 percent of the market That's followed by the amazon echo itself Ali Baba's team all genie is in number four and google home. The full google home is number five Also an e-marketer study projects that amazon's ad business is on the rise It's one of the fastest growing ad businesses out there 4.6 billion dollars making it If this estimate is correct the third biggest digital ad platform in the u.s amazon would still only take 4.15 of the market that nudges it in front of microsoft's 4.05 percent Well behind facebook's 20.5 percent or google's 37.14 percent and just to round out the five oath Good ol oath horizons oath yahoo and aol back there in fifth 3.32 percent, which is probably Uh why not far behind microsoft really but yes a small fraction of the market so amazon's on the rise uh Shooting into google's space with ads google on the rise shooting into one of amazon's spaces in smart speakers granted The ad business way more lucrative at this point than the smart speaker business, but i found the parallel interesting here Yeah, uh What's it? Yeah, what's interesting is it was i was saying this pre-show or earlier when we were prepping the show it's just fun to see this juxtaposition of Uh one company who is known for ads as their primary method of revenue to start to make such big inroads in the in the uh this home market of Speakers smart speakers and that sort of thing in a relatively short amount of time I mean it is google it's a big name they expected to do well, but I'm a little surprised by it I kind of thought amazon had that locked down and so to see them swoop in and and take a bunch of market shares Interesting and then on the other hand seeing a company like amazon inch their way above Behemoths like microsoft in the ad race is super interesting The one big difference here is this puts them nowhere near google in terms of ad revenue But it's no small feat for a store that you know used to sell books and that was it Yeah, don't forget when we're talking about amazon ad sales. Yeah, we're talking about twitch Or you know, we're talking about uh platform ads And and and things like that there are there are some of those that that show up on on actual amazon.com for certain But whenever you're out and about and you see that ad space That has your amazon purchases in it. That's part of this too. So It's not it's it's the businesses. They own Comicsology good reads audible etc in addition to good old-fashioned amazon the store Yeah, yeah before the show I I made a comment, you know, you guys sort of set us there I you don't know what you're talking about But yeah, I was saying when we talk about smart speakers and at ces almost a year ago now it was all about google home Assistance being built into a variety of Of speakers and products and that was a huge push. So it's not surprising that there Is is is is more of that but google home many actually being The the highest shipper of just smart speaker worldwide Units tells me okay. Well, you know people really want these and they want the cheapest one Yeah, I well what you had said is you only ever hear people talking about amazon and and and I was that your Now I hear plenty of people talking about google, but I I still I still do feel that way And I think it's a half of it is because of yes the a that shall not be named It's it's become sort of ubiquitous. It's our q-tip or our Kleenex kind of thing It's like oh, it means, you know a smart speaker, right? Yeah, but but but in reality It's actually it's actually google and certainly other companies who are making inroads amazon is not is is is going to Their their market share will continue to erode as long as there are other smart speakers that do things and the google voice assistant certainly at least on chrome is is Better than anything that Yeah The a name has given me or siri either the interesting thing for me as a user of these kinds of devices and I do like them Um, but I found that I don't use them for the things. I think amazon and even google thought I might use them for more I use them mostly for music And quick questions about simple stuff Like a couple of podcasts like it's really it's mostly an audio kind of experience that I have with these devices And so sound matters to me the idea of only having a mini google home mini or a Dot from amazon and that's all you've got seems crazy to me, but the numbers bear that out like what people are clearly using these for are Only are or is accomplished with the smaller devices Well the google home mini sounds Way better than the echo dot I mean the dot is really meant to be plugged into another speaker the mini speaker is not bad I mean, it's not audio file quality, but it's it's pretty good Yeah, if it's pretty good, then that may be the next way I go like I am starting to feel that feeling of This is irrational But I have this feeling of like well, what are these what are these google home people know that I don't know How come that's picked up? I just set one up uh this weekend at the new place and it was super easy to set up And boy as a google play music subscriber. Was it nice to be like oh my playlists are there They're not there on the echo That's nice, although it's because one walled garden versus another right that I happen to be in My google photos are really hard to get over into the amazon and the amazon photos will be hard to get over in the google etc So none of this is helping that but yeah, it's it's interesting to see I think there's a couple of things to keep in mind here One is when you're the market leader like amazon you're bound to lose market share because they were so far ahead of the market The echo has been out for years now. The other thing is google gave away A lot of homes. I don't know how much of a difference that makes here But because the dot and the mini are so close. I have to believe that is the reason it's in front Not that people have picked it yet. I'm not saying they won't but they there were there were a lot of giveaways A lot of if you buy the smartphone you get a free home mini There were a lot of pop-ups where they were just giving away home minis So that makes up a significant enough amount given the fact that these are only 0.1 billion away from each other 0.1 million away from each other and And you know if if google continues to to to gain market share then that's really smart on their part Yeah, these are shipping numbers. It's not necessarily someone who was like I want the mini that's what I've done I've done all my research and that's the one that I want get it for free get used to the ecosystem Then you're more inclined to buy a sound bar, you know that works with it later on And then it doesn't matter so much that it might not be the best audio quality before we move on I want to throw this out and and this is as much to the audience to write in with their opinions as to hear you guys It is interesting that we see google Competing directly with amazon in a market that doesn't include apple or microsoft, right? That we see amazon moving up towards a market. I know their numbers low now But they're they're rising very fast into a market that was been dominated by facebook and google for for several years now We all talk about how there's too many silos, right? There's too many monopolies But these companies are competing with each other It's not that amazon has the retail market and nobody else stays in it And it's not that google has the ad market and nobody else gets in it We're seeing a form of competition. How how important do you think that is? Does it does it make a difference in when we're talking about sort of the antitrust? Yeah, or even just on a personal level that these companies are too big aspect of stuff Well, it does. I mean it makes a huge difference to me like i'm i'm thrilled every time google It's usually google it feels like but i'm always thrilled every time google swoops in and goes Ah a new market that we didn't exactly innovate in but we're now going to Or we didn't invent but now we're going to innovate within it and i get excited because what it means is apple as an example Had to work harder to keep people faithful to their platform the same goes for This like i would i would really like to see amazon respond to these kind of numbers in some really meaningful cool way and I don't think there's ever a problem with that the only time it comes kind of a problem Is when somebody comes in like google and they just soak it all up to the point that they are now Untouchable and you're not really competing with them at all and you might say that's true in the ad space Although i don't know facebook may have something to say about that But yeah competition's good man always Makes people innovate Sarah do you have any thoughts on that? Sorry guys you cut out uh very briefly. Oh, sorry. Okay. No worries. I didn't mean to put you on the spot Didn't realize you were having a little tech issue there Um, but we can go ahead and move on for that. But let us know what you guys think Is it like doesn't matter? They're still too big or like scott like hey, that's real competition and we like it Feedback at dailytechnewshow.com Well, thanks everybody who participates in our sub reddits We can always hear you submit stories and put on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups Slash daily tech news show. Well the mail bag keeps on coming in. What's in it today? Oh, well, you know, we got a lot of uh feedback on our discussion yesterday, which Almost seemed a little silly at the time, but it's smart microwaves and the idea of what you could do with with home appliances Now that we're getting used to the idea of talking to them as we we a lot more than we were a couple of years ago Even breggle had a great microwave. It's more assistant potential use case from that discussion yesterday says Some frozen meals have instructions like defrost at 30 power and then stir then cook on high for one minute What if a company like amazon via whole foods, which of course amazon owns now sold a frozen meal Where you just say Cook that turkey dinner and then it knows all those steps to take and prompts you by voice to maybe stir or flip over Or whatever else is needed. You wouldn't have to read the directions Yeah, I hadn't thought about that part of it like the things where you have to stop halfway and stir The echo could tell you hey, uh, time time to stir. I've you know, stop the microwave and go go over and do that So yeah, that's kind of cool. I would I'm I'm not afraid of Not even complicated recipes but a recipe that has multiple steps But it does require a fair amount of okay, if I haven't done it before now Now what do I do to have somebody who's basically my My my cooking teacher be like and now you do this. Okay. Got it. Right. Yes. I've got that prepared I knew I was going to have to do that ahead of time But the timing of it is actually um, not just for microwaves, but cooking in general love that idea I like that a lot. My wife got we got our sous vide for our anniversary and uh She loves the wireless aspect part of it So we could go to a movie or something something's cooked for an hour and a half And she wants it to end at an hour 45 and she can remotely do that with her phone Like she's super into that kind of stuff That's different than having your voice assistant talk you through something But I think more and more this stuff's going to come together in that way and She is she for one would love that sort of integration So 100 behind them Yeah, more of these use cases that we hear about the more. I think, you know, it gets the juices flowing. Oh, yeah sous vide juices if you will thanks to scott johnson for being with us Uh, helping us get through this Wonderful show on this wonderful wednesday scott. What's been going on? 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It's a green screen for years There it is Now it's all it's all out in the open And behind it is the thing that I put on the green screen the book show Do you see The wool the wool pulled over the eyes Wool pulled over the eyes pulled the wool and that was something I I was I thought of after the Our po show yesterday Why is that a thing? Is it just because if you put wool over your eyes, you can't see through the wool Yeah, but wouldn't you notice that right away and not be fooled? Like because the the phrase means he pulled the wool over your eyes meaning he fooled you, right? But but but like but why is it wool rather than over my eyes? I'd be like, hey Out of my eyes, you're not fooling anybody You you could pull some silk over my eyes and I still wouldn't see it Yeah, I just I just don't know where that term comes from originally Well, suppose I'm just reading I'm I'm going The phrase itself is of 19th century american origin the earliest example of it in print that this person found Is it gettysburg newspaper at the people's press november 1935 quote? We are glad that to find among them leading vanites At least one man whose conscious will not print meant him to quote go the whole hog. Unquote. What? This isn't making any sense to me So that's I found it Someone from the woolen wigs formally won judges specifically, right? So if you pull the wig over you pull the wig down over their face Yeah, oh, so it's like it's it's someone fooling a judge into letting them go when they committed a crime As if their their wig had fallen down in front of their eyes and they couldn't see the justice and the wig was made of wool Yeah, yeah, yes. Okay. That sounds like a very hot wig Oh, it was a very hot. It was a very chilly period in american colonial history All right, that's probably why they need all the powder and I get in All that leaded power made everyone smart Will it make me sweat did it? Smart and sweaty Can't can't win them all that mercury, you know, what would make your thoughts fast like mercury? Um, uh, what are we gonna call this episode? Let's see. There is a o deer o h space d e e r e clever There's also a harvest from a walled field Uh deer right to repair Uh, apple makes Ireland a bit greener even though I don't think they're not yeah No, they didn't pay the money to Ireland. So that one doesn't work, so um, where's there was a food one. I just saw There's green shelf life three days. No, there was another one It was just here. Let's do someone delete it. Does that happen? Yeah, I Suppose you could delete it if you were the one that um So, yeah, Leonard or Leonard Nimoy or batman for your face assistant face It'd be kind of cool Get on it. I kind of like that gravelly voice gotta be it has to be kevin conroy batman though That's my only caveat. Nobody else. Uh, no, no, uh, christian bale Oh, none of the action none of the live guys. It's gotta be the cartoon guy. He has to take a shower now Is that your christian bale? That's awesome. That's that's how he does batman. He talks like Like he has like a terrible sore throat I need a lozenge He's This is Chloro septic So, yeah, uh, I like, um Oh dear or dear right to repair Oh dear. Oh dear. That's my with an exclamation point. All right. Oh dear Oh dear Hold the dear Well, I hope you enjoyed my visual gag And those of you listening to audio, I hope you understand Well, I visualize it. No, it's a it's a real incentive To uh, to We don't get anything out of it if you do watch the video I guess on on youtube we do the video is just free Hmm free vid well, you know, we uh Heather frank and I who is my co-host on have such a good day. We We originally uh had video is like, okay. Well, it's Not going to be anything super special, but we'll make it a patreon perk And over time we realized No, it's just not really the way to go the way to go is to to make everything free and you know add extras as perks and For you know by us basically putting video behind a paywall Even though we thought it was An easy paywall, um for somebody to to get on board with It it's not really the way things work these days and it just hindered us from being able to share it with the work Yeah, you know, it's funny too. Um Good day internet is behind the paywall, right? Uh, it's it's bonus material, but it's not d r m'd so A lot of times people complain like well, I don't like that. It's behind a paywall. It's like you're paying to get access to it but honestly It's not Paywalled in the sense of the new york times where you just can't read the article unless you're allowed behind the paywall You know what I mean? Yeah For a wall street journal or something like that. So there there should be like it should be like it's a it's a very loose pay fence I know somebody inside that could slip one out. No problem. It's the it's on the it's uh, it's the honor system But tom saying is basically everybody rm. Yeah pirate daily pirate a good day internet. That's what he's saying Yeah, thank you scott. That's exactly what I the message I wanted people to to take You guys pirates can be pretty cool. Sometimes they're not that cool But sometimes they are no, I never understood why Pirates and ninjas became such a such a genial thing Because like pirates went around and stole their people's stuff and killed people who didn't you know acquiesce And ninjas were assassins like yeah Yeah, I think I think a ninja you're just impressed by if you're a good ninja, it's like well, then you're You're you're able to to escape the rest of us. That's pretty cool Pirates can be bullies I think I agree. That's yeah, that's that sort of swashbuckling. You know hardy-hard Isn't this cute thing is yeah, it's hard hard to understand how that happened In the future, do people romanticize carjackers? Oh carjacking such a well that is that that is it that is being a pirate It's not on the sea But you could Those nostalgic days when people used to carjack carjacking yeah I love those I love those old movies that tell tales of the high roads Scott you could it could be a new comic the lovable carjackers Yeah, that would go well with anyone who's been carjacked. I think right. Yeah Because you always laugh at it afterwards, right? Honestly, uh people in In that if there was anyone alive that was a victim of like old-fashioned pirates in the caribbean They wouldn't think those movies are very funny there, would they? And victims of you know pirates there's actual pirates going on and off the coast of africa as well Like do you think you could even be around this is just a small example And I'm not getting in any detail here, but if you were at a party And monica lawinsky's in there and you said, oh, I love your blue dress to somebody else totally random She can't that's not that is a it's a trigger word for her no matter what you do, right You can't say blue dress in her presence without her going. Oh But what if you really liked the other person's blue dress? But that's my whole point. It's kind of like watching you say I like your dress and you Have somebody if you knew somebody who had their Who had a relative who had their head cut off in a war or something this is an awful example But let's say you did and then you all sat down to watch the halloween episode of the simpsons where Homer's head gets Lopped off How is that triggering for those people even if they're still it might be and that's the point It's not about you having to avoid things. It's about you being respectful of What experience does somebody might have been through and taking the time to care about them and find out like Hey, is this going to bother you because if so, you know, right you should look away and have them go like Oh, no, that's cartoon. It won't bother me at all. Or yeah, you know, I know it seems weird, but could we not? You know, it's just there are some some sort of like ha ha funny things that you hear all the time that sometimes I'm like like a um your mom joke Those can be really funny or they can be Really mean and it depends on who you're talking to and I think where people get all Crazy is when they're like, so I can't say anything. It's like no just But if somebody's mother passed away six months ago, that's not a joke It's not that that the joke itself is off limits It's that hey, this joke can be funny or it can be hurtful find out what situation you're in first Yeah, and yeah, and if you know if you don't know, she's pregnant. Don't ask Exactly. Thank you. I mean it really is all about context Right and that's the thing is it's not about Use that the problem isn't you specifically is like you need to understand the context and that Contacts will constantly change depending on depending on the setting that you're in Right You don't say that a synonym is wrong because one version of the word means something and one doesn't you just You know, yeah, and you know worrying about someone's, you know, emotional health is is Generally considered a positive thing. It's not like Part of it. I think part of what bugs me about a lot of these debates is it's it's very kind of Conceited because you know, the argument isn't necessarily about you. It's just being sensitive to someone's You know needs and it's just it gets turned in this weird Me versus you argument that doesn't need to exist right it even something as simple as Okay, you know Roger just named His new daughter, right? So it's like you have to be careful if you were like, oh, you know what name? I don't like this name The name of your daughter. Yeah, you got 10 people in a room and it's like Well, no, of course, you don't know who that might offend maybe zero people But maybe one or two so just Really think about just be aware just yeah, and and pirates fall under that as well. Yes. There you go Bring it up back around. Yeah You know, you might know a lot of nice pirates, but We don't all they're not all jacks parents. Some of us Kind of crappy the internet told me to talk like this all day. I hope it's no hook hand is No hand at all. Yeah, that's not a thing with that. That's just a dangerous poking device now now There are people who actually wedge for hands See tom's right See Can't say anything these days. Can you think that's part of the problem is Our advice like read the room is much more difficult on the internet Where it's like, oh, it's not just the four of us talking It's 50 000 other people that might be out there and that becomes much more difficult And and it's our job to think of that as broadcasters in this little podcast arena But it's also the job of every person on twitter And a lot of people like but I don't want a job on twitter. I just want to say what I think Yeah, okay That's that makes sense. It makes sense to me Right. Yeah I still like a good pirate But but but but when I think of pirates, I think of like cool outfits. Yeah, you know what a patch style Yeah, what I don't like are pie rats Yeah, rats are bad rats far away from my pie. You know, you know, tom, that's what mincemeat pie is rat pie No, no, it's not it's not true It might be somewhere Oh, he says I don't even think I would eat that I'll never eat mincemeat pie again I probably will I probably Of course you will it happens. We all know it'll be it'll be at a nertacular event And they'll bring up rat mincemeat pie and I'll be like sure give me a slice. Yeah It's fine Love a good rat. Hmm. What's it misseasoned with? I literally have to go feed a snake with a rat today. Oh, see, okay, see that's I know But it's the frozen rat Rubbing it in Oh Okay, so that you're not what yeah, okay. I don't have to put a live rat and watch him die. No, I don't You know, we never did that plus that's dangerous over rat tarino There was there was a science class. I this was like a long time ago elementary school where and it was You know, there was a snake I don't know what a constrictor or some big snake where it was like python Some maybe it was a python. I don't know it was teacher's snake that lived there in the classroom with us And you know, we you know, we yeah, there were there were mice and rats that It was sort of part of our curriculum to Watch watch it and then sort of talk about our feelings And I think that there's actually a lot of value to that But it was really traumatic and you could like opt out if you know, you got your parents to be like Sarah will not be participating and then you like go stand on the basketball court for 10 minutes And then it'd be like, okay, it's over come on back in You know, same thing with dissecting frogs and all sorts of stuff. It's like it's really valuable to understand The analogy and yeah, and you know everything but But yeah traumatic Folks, what's not traumatic is if you are an audio listener and you can keep hearing us talk if you're a video Watcher, however, it is over for today, but we'll be back tomorrow. We promise we wouldn't abandon you Audio folks stick around. 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