 So, Lindely, I forgot to say, Sandy Levesque brought some photos of the potholes and stuff. She took some photos with the ruler and stuff so you could see some dimensions and things. So, just say, okay, all right, I just wanted to make sure that you knew what, so, but every so, Jean and Chris and Dave and Denise got to look this up, so, it was nice of her to do. All right, we'll call the meeting to order and first on the agenda is to approve the agenda. Is there any amendments to the agenda this evening or? No. No. Okay, just need a motion to approve the agenda as written. Second. Okay, all in favor? And we have one appointment this evening, so, Sandy has made an appointment to talk about some Gilead Road issues, so, this is, yeah, yeah, you don't have to stand up or anything. Yeah, okay, I'm trying to do this for getting me, and I'm going to be on stage, of course. Oh, sure. I brought some friends. Good. Good, good, good. And including our guest, Ben and Joanne, who arrived from an hour ago from San Fernando, Mexico, to see Gilead. Oh. Yeah. Hopefully you're not freezing. It's a holiday. So, some of our neighbors are away or entertaining guests. Sure. So, Friday morning, I found a packet of envelopes, which I photos rather than I gave to you, and they were taken by my neighbors, Lisa and then LaDelle, and they took it upon themselves to walk the road, count the potholes, measure them, and take photographs. In that one mile stretch of pavement on Gilead Road, they counted over 270 potholes. And those were, all of those were at least three inches deep. We'll see in the photograph. Please sign it. Some of the potholes were seven and eight inches deep. That afternoon, Friday afternoon, this past Friday afternoon, the town crew came and filled in some of the larger potholes, a good number of them. It's much better, but there are still a lot of potholes left and a lot more to do. So, I have three issues, really. I want to discuss. Number one, the potholes. Number two, the overall unacceptable condition of Gilead Road. And number three, how the process works going forward, how the decision is made about what to do next on our road. So, the potholes, I hope that you have all come to Gilead Road and driven on it so you can experience what we have for months, and with months of communication to the town hall as well. It's a dangerous situation in that you have to swerve. You have to do this dance in your vehicle to get beyond the potholes. And you're often approached by another vehicle trying to do the same thing and someone else behind you. If you don't do that, you lose air pressure in your tires. Most of us go get that done regularly, and or you get a flat tire. Well, it is so dangerous that as a pedestrian, I'm particularly concerned. Stephen and I walk Gilead Brook Road almost every day. And last week, one of our close friends, a neighbor, was approaching us in his car and he was doing the dance to get around the potholes. And he kept coming at us, and I thought, surely he's going to stop. But he didn't because he was paying attention to the potholes. We jumped over the shoulder down over the bank and saved our lives. And he apologized profusely. It wasn't his fault. He was just trying to save his vehicle. Gilead is a pretty country road, and it has easy access from Route 12. So we get people who come and park their car at the beginning of the road or in my driveway ask permission just to walk on Gilead. We have cyclists who use it on a regular basis. They come up that route through Tatra Hill and down Gilead. And it's not just Gilead Road. Macintosh Hill comes into Gilead Brook Road. We have a fair amount of traffic. It's not a sleepy road. So I use the term the word unacceptable because it was a long time living with this. And we don't know how much longer we're going to live with this. So that's the other thing. As far back as when Carl Russell was on a select board, the talk started about converting Gilead Brook Road to gravel or dirt. And that has been circulating for some time, and we hear it more and more. I bought our house. We bought our house in 1973, so I blew down Gilead Brook Road for 50 years. In that time, I remember it being repaved once. I don't have the recall of when that was, but it was just one time. So clearly with the amount of traffic on it over all these years, it's in the condition that it's in. So I'm interested in the process. How are these decisions made? My understanding is that the select board has the authority for roads in this town. Am I correct? Yes. And I'm assuming that the chain of command is select board to town manager to road foreman. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. So then when you're looking at the town, I mean, number one, can you tell me how Gilead Road compares to other roads in Bethel? It's because of the flooding, obviously, we're missing. We were missing a chunk of Whittier, but I think that's been corrected. We're still missing a chunk of Cleveland Brook Road, which hopefully will be collected and corrected in the next couple of weeks. But due to the flooding, it's, you know, for a while you weren't at the bottom of the list. You know, I mean, your world wasn't the worst. I hate to say that, but it's true just because of after the flooding. But what I had said to you when I saw you on Gilead was that, yes, we talk internally. Hi, can you just sign in right there? Thank you. I think there's some more chairs. We talked about it internally. A couple of years ago, I worked with Jeff Gilman and we did some work, some ditching to try to get the water off the road. He did a great job and he did some culvert replacement and things like that. And one of the things is that the road base was never done to support paving. It was a thing, I don't know what year it was, that it was paved originally. I never did find out, but I'm sure somebody knows who lives there. It was a situation where I think at the time the state may have felt that paving was the way to go versus gravel roads. So they came in and they paved. We wouldn't do that now. There'd be base, there'd be prep. You do the culverts, you do this, you do that. So instead they just came and paved. And so it's created this situation that you're living now because it was never done properly. And I do understand from speaking to another resident of Gilead that there was an overlay done, which is really just basically going in and kind of fills in the potholes and kind of does a little shim overlay, but it doesn't last because the base isn't right. So what would need to happen to Gilead to make it right is that it would need to do what we just did recently to Christian Hill, which is come in and they... I don't know the right term. I feel like it's like rototilling and they take in all the, you know, grind in all the material and they bring in the base, they make sure all the culverts are done, we ditch, we, you know. And then we come in and then we pave. And so I think that's for to do the stretch of Gilead is just over a half a million dollars. And because Gilead is also a class three road, we don't qualify for a paving grant. Like we did on Christian Hill. So it becomes all out of pocket where we were able to get 200,000. It was 200,000 from the state to help with the cost of Christian Hill. So we kind of had broken it down. Jeff Gillman, W.B. Rogers, you know, had done some work a couple of years ago to help get the water off the road and places so that we were limping along what we had. So I think that like to paint the big picture. So I mean, we feel that everybody's road is important. So the challenge is I, the longest serving select board member. So, but that's only going on my eighth year. So there's many years prior to me, you know, trees. Since I've been here, there's been three town managers. So there's different administration changes that happen. There's different road foreman, you know, so you got to think of how many, how many pieces here. So the challenge that we've had or that I've had since I've been on the board is we, for a very long period of time in this town, that's one of the reasons why I got on the board was we were so busy looking at our taxes, like how inexpensive can we make it for everybody in town to afford to be here, but we never did any futuristic looking. So we didn't look to say, you know, let's put a plan together for all our paved roads or gravel roads or like we've been seeing the last three years here is our water infrastructure has got to the point where the state stepped in and said, if you don't do something, you're going to lose your water license. So there's been so many things over a long period of time that weren't done. And it was more because we were so short term focus rather than long term focus. And short term focus is easy because we can put together, you know, the average select board member might only be here for three years, right? So it's very easy for us to put together a short term fix because we may not be here for the long term. And very seldom do we look at the long term fixes because, you know, we're probably never going to be here. So the challenge we've had and last since I've been here is we're trying to get caught up with, like for instance, water line jobs for so long we've been putting band-aids on things. And what that is, it's a nice, beautiful fix, but it only lasts for a short period of time rather than do it right and let it last longer. So we've been trying in town since I've been on board and Theresa's been here, is we've been trying to do the long term fixes rather than the short term. Yes, we're all going to enjoy maybe our road or that culvert we put in, but we're trying to do the long term and just run around and put fires out in town. The big, so we put these plans together of this, you know, the prioritizing of our roads and usually what it is the prioritizing of roads is only paved roads. So for so long you'll have an engineering firm that'll come in and put together a paved road inventory and they'll tell you like this one's in poor condition or this one's in good condition and how many years can we get before we need to put money into those roads. One thing we learned is we never did one for gravel roads and a majority of our roads are gravel roads in this town. So as a lot of you have probably seen you drive on a gravel road, it's been graded a thousand times and all the material is gone. You see big rocks that are popping out. So we've started the last couple years of starting a gravel road inventory of, you know, X amount of years before we need to put new gravel on roads. So we're trying to put the processes in place again so that we can be successful in the future. But some of the other challenges we have is just like what happened in July which happened in the spring of 2019 which just about every four and a half years that happens in Bethel is we get these events. So, and they cost a lot of money. So we're trying to balance the normal, the normal workings of the town with our budgets. We're trying to balance that with futuristic projects. And when we're talking about the futuristic projects of towns we're trying to see what is our best bang for our buck so can we get grant money from the state to do with this road. So like for instance, like we just finished up Christian Hill job which had been a three year or so job planning to get a grant from the state so that then we have good match money so it's not 100% funded by the town. And we've done likewise on phase one and two of the water line as well as we're in the process of Sand Hill. So there's a bunch of these. The challenge that we have sometimes with some of the other roads is they're not, they don't come with any type of grant opportunities. So those become 100% funded by the town. Where some other ones might have grant opportunities. So what we do is we, or not we, Therese does a good job of just throwing any time a grant possibility comes out she writes a grant for it. And we talked about a little bit at town meeting day this year. And the last couple of years we've been really, really fortunate to get a lot of grants for Bethel. Big dollar grants. So like Sand Hill, this was many baggings and we were able to get Bernie Sanders office to give us $600,000 for that road. We were able to get the Christian Hill grant for anybody that knows in the, there's a Pleasant Street sidewalk pedestrian grant that we're working on there. So we've been pretty lucky we get these grants, that offset so we don't have to have these big spikes on our tax rates. So we're trying to keep that a nice bell shaped curve so we don't have to go ask for a bunch of money every couple of years. It might be helpful to talk about ERAC. Yeah. Disadvantaged that we can't get a grant to fix scaling from roads. Is that what I'm hearing? Well, it definitely does not help the situation of us prioritizing that road more because first we prioritize the grant road. So can we get money to offset that? So it's not 100% funded. And then we have a capital improvements fund that we add money into every year so that we can, over the long term, so let's say we're not going to do any paving in town this year, but we still set aside, say, $100,000 so that we can offset those grant opportunities when they arise. I'm not just talking about road construction. Not a lot of it. But I do know about project management. And so when you have something that is big, taxes your resources, taxes your finances, has a timeline on it, one of the things you can do is break it down into pieces. Which is exactly what we did. That's why we had Jeff do some work to do the culverts, do some of this. Exactly. What could we tackle? You're right. So if you have to look at the whole expanse of it, this one half million dollar project, could you say we'll do a third this year, a third in 2025, a third in 2026? Is that a possibility? I don't know. I'm not sure how to, if you would, how would it work when you cut in it here? Is there just something to do one? Because you don't want to get water under that. For the size of the project it's best, on Gilead anyways, it's a mile piece of road, so it's best to do the whole mile at a time. We'll get ourselves in line, be a bigger priority. We don't qualify for grant support. I don't think there's anything. I mean, for example, and we're not saying never, I just can't tell you when right now, but I will tell you this. So we just received, so my estimate is we're at about $1.3 million in damages from the July flood. So the town, because you did these great things, like you did change some zoning regulations, so we're on the hook for our ERAF, which is our share of what we get from FEMA. FEMA does not pay the whole vote. We pay 12.5% of the damages. So when we did this in, after the 2019 flood, what we did was we started budgeting for, you know, 40 plus thousand each year to pay our share of the ERAF off. Like, we were all similar. I believe some of you were here when we talked about Pinello Bridge, which will happen to the tune of $1.1 million. And so that's going out. That will be constructed hopefully next season. So we've been saving and we finally have all of our ERAF paid off just now, like this fiscal year for 2019. So now we'll budget for to pay off this share of the ERAF. But one of the things that we are going to do this winter is to now, in a way, and I hate to say this for anyone who was affected, but in a way the flood were ahead. It helped us because we did a lot of work in 2019. We did a lot of work or doing a lot of work now. And some of it is not the same areas that blew out. So what our goal is this winter, Chris, myself, Ryan Slack, Morgan AJ, to look at the roads and say, okay, these are all the roads we fixed, touched, whatever, during 2019 and 2023 what's left. And then create a priority which is obviously, you know, Gilead, it's a priority to us. We drive it. We know how bad it is. And to set, you know, the priority of by how many people live there, what sort of traffic. I mean, you obviously have, you know, a lot of people that live there and like you said, you have connections to go to different places within the town and it connects someone to Rochester, coming up Gilead. So that's the plan. So I can't give you a date. But I can certainly keep you informed of, you know, as we go through the schedule, you know, to let you know, you know, where, where you're at. Because right now I don't know and I don't want to tell you, promise you we're going to do it next year when that's, you know, may not be true. And if we get another flood event, it's definitely not going to be true. So I wouldn't, I can't tell you anything that's not true. We may have more natural disasters. I mean, that's what the predictions call for. So that just keeps pushing us back. Well, what happens is, but because we do have capital road money and we do, we do qualify for certain grants in sections, like if you're hydrologically connected, if you're near the river, I did get a BRIC grant because Jeff Gilman had brought to my attention that there was a structure at the base of Winterberry kind of right in that area. So I did get a federal grant and they're out now. You may have seen them boring doing some borings. They're out now doing engineering plans for that. And then we'll do hopefully construction to replace that. So we do get money sections, but as far as someone to come in and say, we'll give you 200,000 towards paving, you know, that's not going to happen. But we have money in the capital fund. We did, the select board did put some of the American Rescue Plan, the majority of the money they put into the road fund. I mean, well, they did some and obviously sewer and to update sewer and water. So, yeah, so there's, I just can't give you a timeline and I just, I'm not comfortable telling you. You would grind up the black top or whatever you do with it and convert it to dirt. Is that a rumor? No, I mean, we talk about it kind of, we talk about it because it's one of those situations that we, if we did that, if we turned it to, because it's just so bad, it's beyond saving. If we ground it into the material, added more material and then we could leave it for a year or two and then pave. But we also understand very clearly that when some people bought their homes, they bought on pavement, not under. And I'm personally very sensitive to that. But we have talked about it just because it's so bad. If we can't do it all, but if we could take it to dirt and add material and make some corrections and then leave it for a couple of years to pave it, do it in stages. You know, I don't know. And I'm not sure that's the right answer either. Someone, maybe you can answer that better for Sandy. Those right answers. So I think what the challenge we have right now with Gilead Road itself is, it didn't get its proper maintenance schedule. So when a road is paved, for instance, so let's say everything is good with the base and you pave it. So in Vermont, about every 11 years is the life cycle of pavement. So that doesn't necessarily mean that the 11th year is the year that you start to pave. It might be year seven. So there's a lot of really things that you should be doing, but most municipalities, including ours, can't afford to do that. So as I think you had said, 1973. Which was a prerequisite for us in buying a house on a paved road. So we know it was done then. So we're thinking, you know, 50 years, I mean, in 50 years, we probably should have had maintained it four times since then, right? And we were talking twice. So the pavement structure right now is in a situation that it's beyond pothole patching, unfortunately. So, and when I say that is, you know, the last couple of years, Theresa and I have been working to say, you know, here are our most problematic roads that we have. And Gilead has been on that list. And what can we do until we can do it properly? So like to be able to get the money, to be able to do Gilead Road is, you know, can we just get by it? Like pothole patching it, one thing that I had brought up to Theresa was just not knowing anybody on the road or if I wasn't in town is, and somebody just asked me, I'd say, what about taking it back to dirt? Just because that way you can maintenance the dirt much easier than you can maintenance potholes that I understand. Well, the thing right now is like, so what would happen, what would have happened 10 years ago in this town is we would right now, we would take the very poor condition that that pavement's in and we'd probably go spend about $100,000 on that road to give it a nice, beautiful, thin coat of new asphalt and everybody is going to be super happy for the first year and a half. But then what's going to happen is that pavement that's underneath it is already not structurally sound that instantly over one year you're going to start seeing all the cracking and it's all going to start breaking up again. And we've done that. If for anybody that's been on Camp Brook Road for years, that's all we've done up on Camp Brook Road. We pave over bad pavement over bad pavement and we've spent hundreds, you know, millions of dollars up there on that road. So the easy button is we can make it beautiful for $100,000, but we're only going to get maybe two years of life out of that. So we're going to spend $100,000 worth of money for about two years that we're going to get out of this. Which, you know, that's then money that we don't have towards something else. So how can we get by? And I personally was one of the three individuals that went on Pothole Patch, the 1.1 miles on Friday. So, and I usually help the guys out once a year because they don't have all the proper equipment and I loaned them equipment and tools to do it. And I can tell you that being in the pavement industry that the road is beyond pothole patching. And what I say that is, you know, the pavement has to be able to bind structurally with something else around it to make the potholes not come back. So we did the best we can. It'll probably last you to the winner, because in the springtime it's going to be pothole again. What's the difference between Gillian Brook and Christian Hill? I mean, population? No, Christian Hill was a class two road, so we qualified for a paving grant. And because Rock of Ages is up there, it had never really held up well, so there was a lot of wheel ruts, you know, in the pavement. But it was, that's the big deal, because it qualified for a paving grant, so that's why we did it, because we were in the cycle. You could generally get a paving grant about every three years. And we were looking at Camp Brook, Christian Hill, and we felt like, all right, Christian Hill was less than a mile. Let's just do it and get it done. And then the next paving grant, we would focus on Camp Brook. But that's the difference. And since I've been here, and I know, Therese, two of the big things that it's challenging to have discussions when you are being 100% transparent, because we believe in transparency. So when we give you information, sometimes you're going to be like, oh, we don't like that information. But at least we're being truthful with it. So when we sit down and we look at these plans, we're thinking how can we make Gillian the best that it can for the next probably five or six years? Because in the map, road map of things of what we think we might be able to have for monies available, we're looking like five or six years out for being able to correct the road the way it should be corrected. And that's why we've thrown out some things like last year we threw out, potentially taking it back down to dirt, which wasn't very popular, because we were in the same situation where it was right before our winter time and we were thinking we got a pothole patch. Again, they're just going to come back again next year, which they did, you know. And so we were just talking again, like we're talking five or six years looking at our financial capabilities of doing that without having to go to the voters and saying, you know, because if we did this overnight, like we'd have to go to the voters and say we need 20 cents on the tax rate for next year, which everybody's going to tell us that we need to vacate our seats if we tried that. So... I understand this right now. There are a stench I can live on, Trump Road up in the backwoods of the Gilead. And I've been fortunate, in most instances, to be a resident up there for about 40 years, and I've seen the entire cycle from what Sandy was talking about, about the initial paving of the road, and yada-yada. And everything that you're pushing out, I understand fully in that the original sub-base there is trash. It's not worth anything. And, however, the difficulty is, is that that piece of road is an essential entryway into the Gilead. Anytime the ruts on the gravel won't get too bad, however, on the base section, you're on a lock. You need special equipment to pack it down and all that. The question is right now, it is my understanding, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, that we're looking at essentially a three to five year effort here in order to be able to garner our resources to make the Gilead road be revamped up to what one would call a good specification. Is that correct? I just want to say that I have not sat down and done all the numbers now that we had the damage that I just calculated on Friday that it was about 1.3 million for this flood. So I don't want to say three to five years, it could be sooner. I don't want to say without me having done the math, but just to be fair, okay. Chris just said five to six years. Whatever the situation may be is that it's down the road. However, we as residents of the Gilead have to live with this on a daily basis. Now the question that I toss back at you, let's say that we're talking that extended time interval to have that road corrected. What concerns us closely is the fact that we would like to have the general maintenance of the road upgraded from once a year or twice a year with the patching to perhaps a more comprehensive way of looking at it that ensures the safety not only of the vehicular traffic, but the pedestrians that are on the road. And I can back Sandy up with respect to the potholes. Somebody's walking down the road you're trying to dodge a pothole and you know, by the bend there's somebody in the middle of the road that's like whoa not a good situation. I feel like this time it's just to finish up and I would like to have some sort of progressive plan from you to take care of the difficulties over the span until we can get that road totally revamped. That is my principal suggestion and my principal concern. Thank you. I think that's a fair. I feel like it was done a little better this time than usual because there was a roller to go over the potholes after they were filled whereas I think usually they were to flatten it and so I had higher hopes after this patch than usual. Yes, Jean. I think Gillie it is kind of like the canary in the coal mine in that you're bringing to our attention something that has been a growing problem for 50 years. Or more. It's called deferred maintenance and you're up against something that none of us have planned for and that is the increasing demands upon town budgets because of the increasing frequency of major storms and etc. For even since Chris has come on board the capacity to maintain quote a reasonable tax load seems to be outstripped so that situations like Gillie which are not alone in a town of Bethel just continue to be put off and put off and put off so my question for you is as citizens of Bethel would you be open to some sort of tax increase whatever going to the citizens and saying we're 50 years behind on the maintenance of Gillied and a whole bunch of other things we have to get caught up so that we can then keep up so the question and this is a question that comes up before the select board every single time we meet how much will the citizens support financially when it comes to taxes bond issues etc. etc. and so part of me wants to say I understand and I see what's going on I also hear I'm almost the newest kid up here but as we uncover systemic structural issues like this when how can we approach how would you suggest we approach the citizens to say we got some problems and because you're going to keep getting robbed by storms I don't think they're going to let up in frequent I think they're going to continue to increase in frequency and severity will never get caught up if we're just relying on all of our capital improvement money now went into match grants to fix floods this is my question of you I don't expect an answer we take care of our water we take care of our sewage we look to the town to help us take care of our roads I don't disagree with you at all I'm just trying to I'm trying to get my head around the systemic structural ongoing 50-year-old issue that has been plaguing you for years without getting the attention you deserve I don't have an answer just that we're going to be we're going to do we need to increase to the capital equipment appropriation it's hard to say how much you can support there's a gentleman in the back I was just responding to a message in the chat and that's what Lindley asked if it could be upgraded to a class 2 and I told her yes it would probably have to happen after the $500,000 plus repair because that's $500,000 now I don't know what that's going to be in a few years but that's a great question and that was actually one that Lindley the select board member just messaged me so it's something to look into is why not we can reclassify roads so we would have to bring it to a certain standard but since Jeff did the culverts there's a possibility definitely to look into because then you're right it makes a lot of sense and I hadn't even considered it so it makes sense to try and I think the real issue that we had with Gilead was you know like Jean was saying we're going to have more storms that we're going to have to deal with but there was never really a formal plan in place in the town so now we're trying to play catch up and catch up means we have to prioritize things maybe we wouldn't normally but at the same time we keep it's like whack-a-mole we feel so good like hey we got this done and then two other things pop up and we're kind of in that right now so we're even starting to plan for storms that haven't happened but the challenge that we had a few years ago is we had Christian Hill Sand Hill Gilead and the bottom half which are the four main concerns roads that we had to deal with and then we got to kind of just categorize those into what can we get for matching money so we get our best bang for a buck and safety-wise so we start looking at at that time Christian Hill had the most major issues because they're literally the wheel ruts were like this deep to the point where we're having trouble doing winter maintenance and things like that plus we were able to get a grant Sand Hill we were able to kind of do the same thing like we did some of the money it was in there to do the water line piece and we were able to get grant through Senator Sanders so those two kind of took care of themselves so the next two that we've been working on has been Gilead and the lower when I say the lower portion of Camp Brook it's like the lower mile and a half portion of Camp Brook which both roads are about in the similar situations where they need to be taken back down to dirt and redone and both of those roads right now we have no matching funds to do anything with so it's a hundred percent hit that we're trying to figure out so and these are the challenges is one time years ago Camp Brook Road was a federally funded highway at some point the federal government came to the town and said would you like to have this road and we said yes which was not a very good thing because now we have to take on a hundred percent of all the maintenance on that road now when natural disasters happen they often will chip in and pay like right now we have some culverts that have failed up there most of the time they will come in and they will pay a hundred percent to fix things like that but they don't give us money necessarily to go up there and say we want to pave or fix this portion of the road and Gilead is kind of the same thing where you have to be careful when you start talking about like pavement is nice I like to pave everything because I work for paving industry right so we want to pave everything so if you hear the paving guy say maybe paving is not the right thing then it's probably pretty bad so you have to be careful when you want to move something from dirt to pavement because how are you going to fund that going forward a lot of your paved roads are funded through class grants so that's the only way towns can function with that is we get a lot of times we'll get 70, 30 money or 80, 20 money where we only have to put in 20 or 30 percent to pave that road Gilead the way that it was for whatever reason when they paved decided to pave that road is it's not a road that even offers class grants for us to pave it so it's kind of what was the decision at that time and was it the right decision I mean it's nice to have a paved road but then if we knew that there wasn't going to be great opportunities then we should have had a longer standing plan to fund it ourselves right every year we chip you know put so much money aside so that we can maintain that road and we don't have that so now we're kind of we're way behind the eight ball here and we're trying to do the best that we can but I like the idea of looking to see if once we do the upgrade if we could make it an upgrade to make it a class two that makes a lot of sense and the other thing too is just to give you the full financial picture since I've told you about the 1.3 million in damage and we're going to eat 12.5 percent of that the other thing is on Camp Brook we had two culverts fail major culverts fail one is being taken care of by Federal Highway the other one is not the first estimate I was given was between six and eight hundred thousand dollars and I cried a little inside because I know I didn't have that kind of money but we're working with the state and we have secured some material looks like they're going to allow us to transfer two hundred thousand dollar structures grant that I had for pee vine where the temporary bridge is to move it there I got culvert from the state from Rochester grad so you're trying to piece it all together you know it doesn't help your cause but I definitely like the I love the idea of seeing if we could make it class two when we do an upgrade and I like you know Stan's idea of let's even if okay so we can't do it for a while how much money do we need to set aside each year for pay patching you know is it five grand ten grand and to get you to where you need to be so it's safe but I sorry I saw your hand up and I saw Spencer's hand up my questions are a little not random but they're just like in different categories how typical is it to even pay the third class road I think it's unusual I'm not sure that's kind of what I was thinking how difficult is it to upgrade a third class road to a second class I don't know and so I'm going to look because there's a standard I know for some roads like an a-76 standard I would assume something like that that the state puts out but I'm going to research it and look because if we've done culverts if we do ditching and we're going to redo the road I don't know what we would what's a little extra we would need to do to make it a class too so that's a great question so I'm going to find out because now I want to and then the other question is and you've alluded to the you know the foggy past of no one that really knows it was great to get it to pay 50 years or more but why and why just that much it may have had to do with how much how far the money would go could be but the question then arises now is as this conversation has been rolling on tonight is would you just be planning to pave the part that is paved and leave the rest as is yes what and why and but yet without a rationale of why did it only go so far I mean I don't even know what the development is on that road other than to know there's a long flat and then it goes up into the splits off but there's there's an agricultural you know the further back of course it's agricultural and that may be just fine for everybody that lives there but maybe there's an extension of road that should or could be paved the reason I say no right now just monetarily because if we're looking at 500,000 now I don't know what that's going to be but I don't know what that's going to be and then we finally get to it so that makes me a little nervous but once we have more information about you know class three versus two what's the you know I have to look at the codes and standards that we sign for the state to see what that would be I don't know it's a good question to ask my understanding was at the time the state came in and paid but at the time my understanding what I've heard and you know could be just rumored into you Wendo was that the state thought it was the next you know best thing and that they could come in and put it down and it would last forever but you know that's just what I heard from someone I don't know you know for sure what the what the thought process was or honestly even if there was one because it doesn't make sense of course in anticipation of paving so you know my head is filled with paving and proper underlay it was never done before when it was paved so I'm very much like Gilead Brook Road except it's just my drive and they had to go down 18 inches which was kind of astounding in just somebody's yard to see that much really that much so I don't know if it's even on a road but what it tells me I'm really glad I'm doing it because I don't have to worry about it but I would I would suggest that if the rest of the unpaid road got redone with hard pack instead of calling it dirt road it's really not it's a hard pack road is what you really want to be talking about once you do that it's not it's not permanent as it permanent or impervious to movement but if you put it down with a geotextile at the bottom and you drain it properly and contour it it's a whole lot better than the unpaid road right now I mean it's what was done what gets done every year on that unpaid road is just it's version of patching that as well so that the rest of it could stay unpaid but yet be far superior to what exists now absolutely and that's what we ended up doing on you know Christian Hill was going down and looking to see if we needed any under drain and all that so definitely sorry there's something wrong with the alarm so it beeps when the door goes off and gets the burglary alarm so you do that you start underneath and definitely take all that into consideration do you need perforated pipe do you need you know under drain what is it you need to keep the key is once you build it keep the water off the road so it doesn't sit on it and deteriorate since you had your hand up a while ago we don't know we haven't addressed what our daily day is going to be like and you guys just came was that like a big deal that you guys came was that like something that you had months and months and months just to come to Gilead to do what you did the other time Friday no we always knew we were going to patch Gilead before snow it just you know once before snow and the next time maybe what next day right and so the point I'm making is that day to day schedule that you have to us is unacceptable so we're going to have to figure something out because all we're talking about here is a big long-term project which I get obviously takes planning you're talking about three years to do Kristen Hill of course I had a client there this spring before you guys did that I had to go visit that I wish that Gilead was even 10% of how good Kristen Hill was before you ended up redoing it three years ago he said hey we gotta redo it it's like our road is not even close to how that was before you did so there's one thing so I'm just trying to figure out how the other thing I know is that I got there in 94 and there was an amazingly payment you know as he said just an overlay or whatever he's called it lasted a lot longer than a year and a half really it did it lasted maybe 8 or 10 years $100,000 that could take us for another 6, 7, 8 years I don't know I know you know more about payment than me but I remember the day maybe he did that and it was great and the other thing is I'm just curious about why that when you came Friday did a great job just passing it up even some flat surfaces that were you know like 10 foot sections it was like outrageous I'm just wondering why we can't get some attention like that a little more I think that what Slavko suggested is a good idea which is to kind of look at the plan to set aside it's perfect timing for the conversation because we'll be going into budget season which is to look at it and say ok if we can't do the big fix then we're going to need to be out there doing a better job and how much money is that going to cost and set that aside to put it in a schedule so I completely agree with you and I think that was a great idea I just didn't know you had it in you I just didn't know you had it in you I just didn't know you had it in you I had the right equipment and somebody who really knew the business wow I think the challenge is the challenge we have is we try to do as much as we can with as little people to keep tax rates down so we have a three person public works department and I would say on a normal year that is probably one less person than you probably need you probably need one more person to get all the things you need done in town but then no excuses again we're going to triple it with what's happened since July and almost every day since July one, two or all three of our public works individuals are aiding a contractor in town trying to do something to get one of these roads done so a lot of our time has been going to that I will say nothing against them but they're definitely most towns if they're going to go pothole patching they just grab some patch, throw it in a hole it probably heaves over like this it's a big bump or something it's just something quick fix and it kind of is a big deal because it doesn't sound like a lot so every year I go help the guys at the end of the year pothole patch so we did Sand Hill and Camp Brook Road and and Christian Hill last year I helped them they don't have all the right tools and so it kind of is a little bit of a big deal like we did so yeah so I was able to get equipment donated so that we could do it and then I did most of the looting and rolling so it is probably a little nicer than normal not to say that the guys didn't do as much as they did but it's just pothole patching when you get to the pothole patching on your road it's usually kind of like okay we got like a year or two and then we're like redoing this thing because once it gets to that point the road is pretty worn and I wish we had a better a better plan we're going there tomorrow or next spring but we really got to take a look at the budget and figure out where we can do it and what makes most sense and again it's tricky we really want to go there but we also want to just not get back to the way in town we're just putting out fires and if we go put 100 grand down in Gilead and then it does hold for seven years and we're like okay we'll go somewhere else right and then we're going to get back in seven years we're going to be like oh my god these polls are back and we're going to be like yeah we saved no money so we're trying to do it the right way it's so with the current grand list within reason $21,000 is one penny on the tax rate one cent on the tax rate is about or one percent to one cent is about is about one cent is about $21,000 I'm sorry what well the appraisal will not make any difference make any difference in the town's revenue because how that's calculated is you take the town's budget and you divide it by the number of dollars that there are in appraised values whether that's today's appraisal or ten years ago's appraisal what it does is just kind of resets the baseline for the town some people that either did a bunch of work in the last 15 years to their house probably will see their value go up a little higher then their counterpart and then some people that maybe haven't done anything with their house might see theirs go down a little bit but it just reestablishes that baseline doesn't mean that we have an extra influx of cash and it doesn't mean necessarily that your taxes go up either it's just a new baseline that we well now we're going to have to do every six or seven years I guess with the new government I think it's unless anybody else has but I just want to say before Julie speaks that I think this has been a good discussion, a good exchange you can see that there's a depth of feeling almost as deep as the potholes and I know that you know how we feel and you know tax issue is not that's another question we don't know what it might be but we've got to explore everything I think and I hope you'll keep us informed let us know if we can help yes, no definitely and I really appreciate all the so I have to go ahead and say it was great and something about to look at what it's going to take to become class two because I don't know for sure and find out but certainly there's no reason that we can't budget for more pothole patching it's not the long term fix but it makes it safer for pedestrians better for driving but certainly once we work on the schedule my goal for the winter is I want a schedule so that if you lived on Avid Road or Mackintosh or whatever you could there would be a plan so obviously that would change if it was a disaster but at least I could say to you okay Sandy I'm going to get to your road here and you know and Joe I'm going to get to your road here you know maybe it's years apart but at least we have an idea so that when the road crew starts when they say April they're ordering they're ordering what they need so that once the snow is gone they're going to roll out and start doing they'll know where they're headed maybe divide the town which is what we do every time at floods I take a marker drive a line and put it into four quadrants and then we start going that way and try to work at it but do appreciate your patience and I'm so sorry I had such a close call and I'm sure Spencer was scared to death so I'm sorry that I know I'm so sorry that happened best friends I'm sorry Joe I know there was something when I was out there pothole fashion on Friday it was a white SUV from Massachusetts that went by me and almost hit me when I was out there fixing the potholes and they were a full lion I mean they didn't even slow down anybody that drove by us on Friday knew that we were probably in the middle of the road most of the time so there was no room to like kind of like get around you and this person didn't even break they just I mean they hit the shoulder and went around almost giving up for the day at that point I slowed down and everybody was working on it and it rained behind the truck because they didn't want me to I just want to say they were doing a great job filling those potholes I was very happy about the whole situation because it was really bad it was and we'd been out and when Sandy had called originally I sent the road foreman out and he went out he sent me some pictures we talked about it so behind the scenes it was a conversation I've also been up there because of Gilead and other things so I travel that road myself and you know looking at Pinello bridge and so you'll have some big construction this year hopefully fingers crossed we're finally going to get that bridge built why huh well because if you remember a bunch of you know people were in support of that no people were in support of that I know is that really a priority well it was for the homeowner we tried multiple options including a buyout and but the owners were not interested that was after the 2019 flood and so some things happened and I was not the town manager at the time and um but we did try a buyout we tried a process and they had a lot of support from people on the road to get it done I'm sure nobody had any idea that it was going to be 1.1 million but um I figure Armageddon and that bridge is going to be solid so we may not connect on either side but the bridge will be there and we'll be starting our well we'll be starting our budgeting pieces here soon usually the end of October 1st November is when we start talking budget so we will you know at one point we will be talking about the public works budget which usually carries you know definitely keep keep up to speed with what's going on there the other thing just so that you know I mean as you know as a citizen voter of the town you do have the right to petition things to be put on to um the town meeting morning so um it can be you know anything but in your case it could be you know paving Gilead you know or something with a certain dollar amount so those you know you have the right to do that and I believe it's just 1% of the it's like 20 signatures that you'd get or something like that but not even the deep ones and I worry about Sandy walking um Bennett and Tom walk the road I just think it's really a disservice and I'm scared for my neighbors for driving on the road it's a scary place to be well not even but it's been very scary but it is yes I understand we've spoken up about it and we still don't have popular feelings no that's a problem right well and true and I had seen Sandy a little while ago and I'm on Gilead I was there for another reason meeting with another family about different issue with them and Jeff Gilman and um you know what happened was obviously the flood so when the flooding happened in July the 7th and then again on the 10th and then the continue rain um and and I said to her and I mean I didn't disrespect by it I was in a priority at that point when we were missing chunks of other roads and had other issues so we knew it and we weren't ignoring it it was just it was you're putting the fingers in the dam basically but I appreciate what you're saying and you're right I've driven it and I've walked sections of it and we need to do better so there's a couple people with hands up Brian was one and then someone behind that you noticed the potholes in the dirt right too we haven't seen a grader since well we've seen a grader but not the town's grader since right yeah no I had um Gary Slack did a great job up there WB Rogers did some work for us they did Christian Hill and Troutbrook and obviously um you know I know what they're doing so yep maybe you wrote this past weekend or a week and thank you so much it was too bad that you can't do it that way every time I feel like it's such a waste of time and money tax money wherever it comes from when you do those short little fixes because literally it's always on a rainy day and they don't last right well I think that's a good that's an excellent point about making sure that we have the equipment we need even if we rent it for the time and as far as taxes like are we willing to pay more in our taxes to help get the road properly you know things come up as you say and who's to say if they do raise our taxes specifically for our road are we going to see that money put in the proper place right exactly if the currently money like that isn't a one line it goes to like the capital road or capital you know expense so you're right unless it was a line item specifically earmarked for you that said you know it's going to Gilead but it's a lot great information and I'm so glad that you all came and so it's going to help because I do keep track of the budget obviously all year and I plan for next year's budget all the time people come in and what's going on and so we'll have a better idea of what it looks like and that's why I really believe we need a capital road plan so we have an idea about resources and they are limited and but to make the best and we hope and when we do set aside the capital road money there is a well there has been a plan now that will show what year we think certain things use the big stuff I mean if it's a small road usually it's not on there but the big stuff like we'll see you know San Hill or Christian Hill or so the hope would be when we're doing this that we'd see kind of a placeholder where we think it's going to land when we're doing that in our plan this year seeing about class two because boy that would alleviate that stuff and it's a 80-20 split which is a lot better than what we're looking at right now so but thank you I'm so glad you all came thank you very much yes yes you too yeah yeah do you have um do we have can you give me your email oh okay I'll then I'll talk to Sandy okay and she'll let you know alright that sounds good but thank you for coming take care nice to see you I mean we didn't have a whole lot tonight I didn't think that we needed to keep the time in so we'll just switch over to um if there's any public comment so anything that's not on the agenda that anybody may want to add on what's the update on the what's the update on the upper Gilead Pass Andrews they did some trimming and dumped a couple of them yeah they need to come back something happened that day oh I know what happened they were up there and they had their equipment up there and I actually have a meeting with them tomorrow morning to figure out what the rest of their schedule is um Richard the water operator was on vacation and we had a water leak so they had to pull off which was not the plan to come and dig on um that they were and of course we couldn't find the shut off and some ladies basement is flooding so they pulled off and um to come out and do that and then we ended up getting a little further in our FEMA process and they had to go back out to Findley but um I'm glad you mentioned that because we we no they need to come back and finish and you're totally right Brian so I'm gonna because I meet with them in the morning to figure out the schedule for yeah when I found out I called and they were up there I was like so or water something yeah so they definitely need to get back and we're setting up we also ended up getting some more work dumped in our plate from FEMA than we anticipated so because we're running to finish but we're fighting people for contractors because you know Jeff Gilman is you know got his stuff and he's you know going gangbusters he's still got the West Quadrant plus he's going to rebuild Cleveland Brook we've got Derek Aldriguetti won a couple bids so you're trying to keep everybody going but thank you for reminding me but that's why they pulled off that day otherwise would be done oh sorry about that yeah take care Brian I don't know if there's anyone online Gene today is Indigenous People's Day and I would like to acknowledge that we are currently living and governing a community that lives on what one time was Abenaki land and they never gave permission for anybody to come and take it over and I would request that we ask the inclusion and equity and inclusion committee to in consultation with Mrs. Koi Band of the Abenaki to propose a recognition statement that we might use at a certain town of Benz so Christie is online representing the equity and inclusion committee tonight did you hear that Christie hi Christie whoops we just lost you hang on is it us Jamie or her we're looking okay Christie can hear us so hang on Christie we're looking we might have technical just as you started speaking poor Christie hey God Jamie's trying to fix it Christie hmm but I saw your response Christie wrote in the chat that she would take it back to the equity inclusion committee let me quote her directly because I can read the chat Christie said I can hear you when Lisa's we can hear you okay Christie said I did hear the request of Jean and we'll share with the EIC so it's just our speaker it's us so Jean says thumbs up sorry Christie has acknowledged we're going to do hand signals the rest of the night or I guess I'll read the chat so Doug Marshall's on and Lylea did anybody have anything else for public comment besides Jean and Brian so we'll just move forward if somebody does have something you can always type it in the comment piece of the chat next we didn't have a whole lot on the meeting tonight so the just update in the July flood event stuff so I did we were able to get for the culvert that the second culvert that failed on Camp Brook that Federal Highway is not going to pay for we did I spoke to Ryan Slack and he came in and said hey over at State Groud and Rochester we got a 10 foot culvert with collars and I'm like hmm so I called Chris Bump and then he spoke to Chris Bump and then we made a requisition and so we're going to get that material on the State they said it's a quote-unquote temporary and when we dig it up we need to give it back and have it removed gently but I don't know when that will be but which decade we have to return it could be a while but I have to work with Chris Bump tomorrow to try to make the request to transfer my grant from Gilead on the brain now, Pevine to the Camp Brook so to see what that is we're still looking for a contractor Chris Bump and I talked about it and we are going out to bid on the upper section so I want to talk to him tomorrow because part of me was thinking maybe we should see if the upper contractor wants to do it if we have the material they could come in they could do it because timing is of the essence here because if they're going to tear the upper one out I can't have mine you know torn out so we still have a couple other repairs to do there I haven't seen the hydraulic study yet that the federal highway wanted I did not request one but they did to do a culvert I was just going to go in and replace it and call it a day but they have called out a four footer so I did reach out to contact today to see if they have one because I ordered one for Perum I don't know if it arrived last week it should have if not early this week and it took it's going to take three weeks to get it I'm like a four foot culvert yes the problem is the inventories well overall inventories have been low ever since COVID just because of workforce limitations and then with the flood like all the culverts have been like two foot and under you can still get but above two foot they're hard to get so we I need to get so I still need to have that culvert replaced actually I get the hydraulic study tomorrow have a bank armament some work around Jim Ford and that will be covered by federal highway but I need to get it you know that I'm trying to sort out with Chris Bump as well so the rest of the flood work is coming along some of it obviously we haven't started yet we haven't started Abbott old Route 12 Fish Hill but Woodland is just about wrapped up I think Chris just needs a final rating and some old material there Jeff's going gang busters on the west section and then he's what is he hoping to be at Cleveland Brook in two weeks yeah Woodland done Louisville, Whittier, Ringe, Brink those are mostly done they're they're working on the upper part of Brink they were working on today they're this week and then next week will be Dunham Sugar Hill and Campbell kind of and then the west pieces will be done I'm still trying to work on the other contractor to come in to start doing some of the Pevine Sand Hill old Route 12 stuff Abbott waiting on their response Colvert for the yes yep that will get a new Colvert yep and we have it already so we're just waiting on that so I mean it I think the I think the work is getting done at an okay pace it's kind of nice in a way because if they all decided to work at the same time it would make it impossible for me to be in four different places at the same time plus do my own job so I think it's a comfortable pace for me to keep ahead but you know starting to get right up against mother nature at some point it's going to say I mean there are some areas that we're a little nervous about right now just because of lead time for materials and not having a contractor line up and that's where it's tricky to like you know where we should have our guys out there doing grading and doing all these last final fall prep stuff instead they are okay they're going to go to Purim and help with that installation and this day they're over here helping this person so that's kind of where that's kind of where we're just we're stuck right now and you know we're only whatever five weeks away from mother nature saying we're done for the year so well we did make a decision about your road which is we have the road crews out there now they're you guys passed on it doing the bigger fix so what we're doing is they are reinstalling a berm they're not concerned about the slide section so they're reinstalling a berm and rebuilding a couple sections we're going to ask to work we're going to try to we're going to work with Dylan McCullough to do to do the culvert because he has big enough piece to do Purim and then once they're done there we need to go to Findlay because he has a big enough machine there's a big enough chunk out of the road and doing some work out there I don't know the status yet I'll know in the morning but that's where we're headed with that and Purim, hopefully the fingers crossed the guys didn't tell me but the culvert came in last week is what I'm hoping for because I'd like to see them do that next week I don't know well I know that the AJ sorry Brain Cramp has been in touch with John Deere they were ordering the block so they were going to kind of let us know when they had the parts and they actually were only going to have it in the shop for a much shorter time so we were thinking it was going to be out of commission for a month and that's not the case so maybe a week and the challenges right now hopefully it can go in November and the challenges that we're having just in the industry right now even at my work if something breaks down it's overnighted we have the next day morning we have the next day and right now things break down because inventories are so low can't get it or it might be a week my company is usually really fast about getting stuff so then you got to think when you get down to the town level or some of the private levels it takes longer and longer to get the parts we don't have the kind of money they have but it's really ugly you even look at just simple automobile parts you don't have to get them like no idea when you're going to get it so it's some of them are six months to a year they're challenging especially anything big John Deere, Cat, any of those big pieces right now are tough to get so we have a meeting myself AJ and Morgan I did a schedule today the days we have left this month what do we have left for work we have taken Morgan out of the mix for this week there are three days left because I'm pretty sure he'll be working with Dan but they're bringing their list so what do they have that I don't know about so that we can go through the rest of the month and then every day they have a schedule would that be advisable yes and we've talked about I actually don't know, I can't remember we go through this every year but we're going to revise the personnel policy that they've got to make a make a plan and I can't remember what the they came back sooner than the prior road cruise so I can't remember if we decided on after Columbus Day or what honestly I don't know and I think some of that can just be done as needed if you need to switch earlier then money from the fed so it's not like it's going to hurt our budget because you're working with other contractors on female work exactly no and that's all the work sheets done for labor so there's money currently and you could see it in your budget where I wrote you know there's female money in there well the challenge thing too is it's not just it's them wanting to work that fifth day and it sounds weird but you know some of them have Friday day jobs lined up they do, yeah they go work with somebody else for the day I know they worked last Friday because they were out pot hole patching with me but you're right at least so I know one of them had a gig that he does on Fridays and the other one I think is maybe not every Friday but it's fairly regular so but again like I said I have to talk to them because we have this conversation every year about when they're coming back and we may have decided on Columbus and I just frankly I've got no clue I think right now with the amount of work that we have I would say listen we got to get you back working five days I'll talk to them tomorrow because I don't know what their plan is for their because we do have when the grader is up and running we got like we talked about today we have a bunch of grading that needs to get done we have the last minute stuff before winter that we always chasing some pot hole patching and trimming this there's a lot of flood work that's not done I mean it's not days and days in single places but yeah it is absolutely and we talked about that and that was my thing and I wrote it in the notice as we discussed which was pick a quadrant and stay there until it's done and then move and go that way that way this is all tied up and then you move on and I have a feel I mean they have a normal rotation of how they grade and my guess is they already do that but we'll find out tomorrow when I meet with them so then we'll talk to them about when they come back because I'm sure they have said and frankly I don't I have no idea I'd be lying if I told you I did but that's the update on the flood stuff and then changing you don't want to work Christmas morning? actually you know I didn't even catch it Pam did she was before the sign was taken out in the accident she was going to put the letters up to it and she said she always she does three months in advance you know so she was like Trice I'm sure you don't want to meet on Christmas so the select board needs to adjust and then it also dawned on me as I'd forgotten I haven't know what on my calendar but in one meeting in November we're not going to be able to do here because of window dressers so probably just meet at the town office something that day and what you always did before but yeah so Christmas my suggestion was move it to the 18th so you did two you know packed back just but I don't know what you all have for plans Lindley's given the thumbs up November 2nd on a Thursday is that going to count as a select board meeting or is that just a special meeting it's a special select board meeting it covers both bases but it does not take the place of any other meeting I didn't think it did but I just for inquiring minds out there inquiring minds want to know so you do not need minutes at the visit I'm the 7th I really don't want to hide yeah no no it's fine it's fine I have to double check I actually think it may have to be I don't know which part has to be recorded I have to double check but David the town attorney will be with us he will be there so we will no so everything will be done according to Hoyle as they say no no one said anything except for Lindley she said it was okay with her well then you're easy that's right it would be great you're okay or you don't know you're giving me the blank stare I'm like I'm not coming down but the 18th you think is okay I think so does that work for you? yeah for now yeah I think we're that's alright alright I'll let Pam know she said she was the one who figured it out yeah town managers report just in there that two rivers is working on a stormwater grant for us so those were the ones that we got in the stormwater management plan through the better connections grant process and since we're trying to get infrastructure done before the state repays this is obviously a big piece of this include the town town municipal parking lot which obviously needs to be repaved as well so it makes sense to kind of dig it up and do the stormwater process the other thing that the energy committee had asked prior was when we do that at least put a conduit in the ground in case you ever wanted a charging station so that way the conduit's there which makes sense to me as long as it's a conduit gotta be Dave I don't know where's it gonna go they asked me to have it put there is two conduits going do you know where I don't know exactly where but I probably could be close I bet we'll find them then we'll find out if they're already there I didn't think they're three inch so I don't know if that's big enough oh god yes well then good they had asked that we put it from one of the poles the blinking one they just said could you put it from one of the not the light poles but the electric poles could you put it from one of them over so I don't know it's what they asked me so anyways when it comes time it's a question not a statement Dave I'll ask you and we'll figure out where the two conduits are and then we just want to make sure we're in the ground so I don't want to go back and cut up new pavement I think we said before if we were to put one in the municipal parking line it would have to be on this left side corner here because that was where the power would come in and I don't know where the existing conduits are we'll connect it to master them away there's the underground box on the other end of the street it's where you would go with a new conduit it's on the other side of the parking lot so it's it's just something to think about but anyways the application came out it's due in December Rita messaged me and said is this something you're interested in I said yes but I can't do it and she was like no problem we'll do it so I sent her all the information because DNK did a so we want to do Falcon Drive municipal parking lot and then there was like a soil separator that would go right up here by the park and then there was a moose right there so I just want to look at it to see what we could qualify for that would be more of the infrastructure done before they pave I will suggest they look really hard at what kind of a charging station they want because you can go anywhere from a $3,000 unit to a $150,000 unit that place up at Randolph center is crazy I'm not planning on putting one in in the next couple of years but what I don't want is to look like a buffoon later because we're cutting up pavement I think you have to assume that you're going to put in that level one is out nobody's ever going to use the level one charger just like the parking right there's a million level one chargers that nobody's ever going to have the patience or the time to plug into so I think if you're going to run a conduit you have to make sure that the conduit's big enough oh okay that's how it works I believe level three is 110 volt you're not going to have one of those because they've got 10 of them down here I think when we talk before that and I've never seen anybody ever plugged in definitely but anyways it's just what we talked about was we said over the winter we would look at the better connection stuff and to make some decisions about what you want to do about parking and infrastructure because we're making a run for it knowing that if they're going to save in 2026 there's some stuff we have to get done not cosmetic but underground before they come and so that would be a big piece of it would be stormwater and there's funding so so we'll have to so that'll be a project that you guys agreed to work on over the winter was looking at the Bethel connection out from and see what we're going to do next I would check with Maplewood I think it is up there at 66 okay to see how much money they're making because that's the one you used right do you pay with a credit card? like how do you pay? we pay with a credit card I wasn't sure I didn't know well we did that until our our unit came for the house and the units don't come with every car when you buy it you have to free mountain is supplying it now so there may be people in electric and need some place to go even if it's a level 3 alright so we can get across that bridge I just think that that's worth exploring whether or not a level 3 ultimately at the end of the day pays for itself even though it's way more expensive because level 1 whichever whichever the high speed is whichever the high speed is is the one that I would suggest that we at least look at because that's the one that's going to be most useful especially for people in this town who aren't going to be staying there for 8 hours you had to use a level 2 because you don't have a Tesla and a level 1 was only a Tesla plug I believe yeah there's two cords that come out of every charger one is a level 1 one is a level 2 because the only cars that get to level 1 is the Tesla plug but that's changing no Ford is changing to Tesla's plug but the plug's not changing whatever I was able to charge my car in 45 minutes which is way faster than the one at home which is a 220 line so I don't know what the level is how long does it take you to charge at home couple hours it's overnight I don't have time to explain it to you but it's very complicated these home chargers I put a couple in it depends on how much power you have in your home because I did have a guy and he has a Tesla but it's three hours because he only has 50 amps that he can give me for his charger oh I got it so I have to program the charger so that it doesn't try to charge it 100 amps so it blows the mail we've got we've got 50 amps going into the charger at home so your charger is derated time wise that makes sense yeah try the power grid on Finley when he plugs in his car only at night at any rate I just suggest since those are people buy that unless you decide as a municipal municipality you want to give it away there's a lot more if they're charging the Green Mountain power has a bunch and they have them inside the building which the employees get the user free but the ones you can see are charged you have to pay for those Green Mountain power has them right down here yeah cool I agree with you that somebody should do some leg work I am just saying I do not want to install one I have no desire to install one in the next two years all I'm saying is if we dig up the parking lot we need to plan for one there's no other clause output do it in a lotto so that they they could get but there would also be some evening hours or early morning hours where somebody could go charge that's a good thing it's out of the way it's a parking lot that's not being used by the public I can think of five different reasons that would be the perfect place that's a good idea that's all I'm doing do it in the ground do it only between certain hours oh cool I have no idea so that's it for the town management report a lot of meetings this week tomorrow reading with the road for the morning 9 a.m. Richard and I are here for our first project meeting for our phase 2 water project we have a meeting on Wednesday with Mike Maynard about Sand Hill trying to wrap up some details on that and then Campbrook another meeting on Friday with them hopefully we're opening bids on the 16th or 17th so do the big big culvert that's going out through Federal Highway so it's meeting meetings this week other than that I think that's it you're welcome okay meeting minutes from the 25th good to me right just need a motion to approve the meeting minutes from September 25th second okay all in favor I just want to say one thing and it has nothing to do with me wrong but the next day I always look at real estate for sale and after Greg Martin came and did his thing with Tessie's building his contingent yeah and I haven't I haven't seen Pam yet to ask her I don't know how to I was just going to ask the realtor if I saw or if Pam did but I haven't seen her so I don't know what to do which means he knew that it was there when he came here I believe he did and the only thing I wonder the only thing to give somebody a little bit of grace would be to say perhaps they're buying a contingent that he turns it into an apartment I don't know right we find out I'll let you know yeah I'm sorry we'll send the listers in oh that's right we don't have any what Dave? I made a mistake level one is the little one okay well hey we'll send the listers in oh that's right we don't have any lists that's right so in the packet was the board of civil authority made a tax appeal decision that has been given to the party that appealed and they have put us I believe on notice that they're going to go to a state appraiser which is fine as is they're right and that's a not a problem anything else come before the board hey you're in none anything else that just need a motion to adjourn thank you everybody thank you see you later thanks for the help with the sign I appreciate it see you later Lylee