 I used myself as my own biggest science experiment. I moved everything out of my bedroom in my living room, and I made my bedroom, my lab, and it was just my creative outlet. I didn't want to leave the house. I mean, and my jaw was wired shut, my teeth were nubs. Why should you care about glowing skin? Especially if you're a man. Because let's face it, society kind of judges men who take an extra special care or attention on their skin and their looks, because guys are supposed to be rugged and tough and badass, right? So why do we then feel awkward about our skin and skin care? Well, today we're gonna be talking to a pretty badass alpha male who's a former pro baseball player, turn model and actor, about the importance of all natural skin care. His name is Andy Nylo. He joins us from Los Angeles. Andy, how are you, mate? Hey James, I'm good, how are you? I'm doing very well, thank you. And you do have very luscious skin, I have to say. I'm watching the video now. If you're listening on the podcast, you can watch the video version here or you can check out this video on YouTube. You know, Andy's got good skin. And in fact, I met Andy in an event about four or five weeks ago and I noticed that he did have good skin. And look, I used to make fun of David Beckham, you know, the English football player because he was always turning up to these red carpet events with fancy clothes and different haircuts and he had that strong on at one time. And I'm like, that's not a damn alpha male. But you know what? The funny thing is, is that now I take good care of my skin. Like I take pride in the fact that I got good skin. So why should we, Andy, just before we get into this, you know, why should we take good care of our skin as men? You know, you're your own biggest billboard. I mean, when you walk around, it's like, you know, you can make an impression about your health, about the way, the importance of your health and usually your health and how you take care of yourself to, you know, it just shows, you know, that you take care of yourself and you have some type of routine and it speaks volumes about that without even saying a word. So it's the first thing people see and it's just, you know, it makes, usually with me personally, when I had any type of irritation or say a zit or pimple or anything like that, it affected my mood. And when your mood's affected, you deliver an energy that, you know, may or may not be you and that sometimes you meet people for the first time. I want to exude just my, you know, the best energy possible, whether that's business, whether that's personal relationships or just meeting anybody for the first time. I want to exude Andy and Ila to, you know, that 100%. And the way I was able to control that was by counteracting that irritation and those pimples that kept showing up through all natural products and, you know, through one that I created but through several that I created now. But it's just, yeah, it's just, I know, you know, coming from the athletic background and being an athlete, it was difficult to admit that I was doing things like scrubs and wearing masks and, you know, using, you know, cleansers daily to counteract that irritation but now it's my business, it's my baby and it's what I do, it's what I eat, breathe and sleep. And it's, you know, if you can make people feel better about themselves, that's what it's all about and you're going to create a, you know, better energy to all those that you encounter. So, I mean, we're talking about men obviously and you and I are both men but we've got women listeners, women viewers. So this, I don't mean to, you know, say that this isn't for women as well, it's for men and for women but really as men, of course, like I said, we're supposed to be rugged and tough and badass and so there's a little bit of an internal mental struggle, at least there has been with me, over wanting to look good and sort of, you know, how much attention do we pay to our face and how do I groom my perfectly, my perfect beard here or do I just like, ah, I don't care and that's attractive or is the attractiveness actually grooming and taking care of myself? So what are your thoughts on it? No, believe me, I completely agree. Sometimes you want to get that scruff going, you got a sweet beard going. I mean, sometimes I didn't have that. I mean, I had a beard going for as long as our coaches, until our coaches made a shave, you know, during game time and stuff like that. But yeah, it's a total tough, you know, way to look at it, I mean, but the main thing that really I focused on was just what I was most happy with. I didn't really take into account what others thought about me and what, you know, what their opinion was gonna be. I just, it brought out the true me, just being myself and being most comfortable in my skin. If I was, and sometimes that's going scruff and with the beard and hair disheveled and stuff like that. It's just whatever I'm feeling that day, but for the most part, when I'm locked in, when I'm ready to go, it's when I'm happy with my parents, when I'm clean-cut and I'm just ready for that meeting with that date, whatever it may be. It's just, I wanna bring my best essence out and that, that one's good, yeah. So, Andy, you used to be a baseball player and now you're a model and an actor and now you've created this skincare line, which we'll talk about in a little bit called Alature and Naturals, but you actually were in an accident and you had some scarring, which kind of was the impetus or the catalyst for you becoming really interested in skin care in general, right? So just tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, absolutely. So, March 20th, 2011, I was crossing Melrose and I was hit by a westbound heading SUV and then hit into the eastbound lane and run over by a tow to Tundra. Wow. Gattered my jaw from the middle of my chin just beneath my left ear. Had two titanium plates inserted, woke up an ICU at Cedar Sinai, bone-exposed to the bottom of my mouth, bottom of my chin. It was just, it could have been worse. I broke seven ribs, collapsed lung. Wow. And so, I'd done things like walk the runway for Calvin Klein, Levi's, Under Armour, Oakley. I mean, you name it, but that all that had taken away was really, it rocked my world. I mean, it was hard to look in the mirror. I mean, I went to older grocery stores. I looked unrecognizable, I really did. So I just got a product through my research, just a greeting by ingredient. I would study spa treatments. I also just added a couple things in there that I'd never even seen used topically, a couple of ingredients that I'd never seen used in skincare products and I still haven't. But I just, I used myself as my own biggest science experiment. I moved everything out of my bedroom and my living room and I made my bedroom, my lab and it was just my creative outlet. And so yeah, I mean, it's fast forward 18 months later. We're in 39 countries and it's going really well. I mean, it's, it's, it's my purpose. You know, it's why I'm here. I'm not here to be a model or an actor. I'm here to just help others, hopefully feel better about themselves. It had been in similar situations. So when you got out of the hospital after that horrific, those horrific injuries, you had noticeable scarring then like around where your chin is and your, and your face. Cause as I'm looking at you now, I don't see anything. I mean, there's still this guy right here. It's about an inch and a half long, but it used to be felt like three inches. I mean, it would look like a railroad track cause it was just an emergency room seriously sewing up that, that wound that was, it was huge. And I had a lot of abrasions. I still have some scarring on my right side from point of impact and road rash and stuff like that. But it's, I really took this down to a science. I mean, every single minute of every day, you know, it was, you know, kind of like, how am I going to beat this thing? I didn't, I didn't want to leave the house. I mean, and my jaw was wired shut. My teeth were nubs. You know, I was really banged up and I'm extremely lucky to be here, but I just, there's so much information out there. And I, you know, ingredient by ingredient, I put together something that, that helped accelerate the process. You know, a lot of the stuff that I was eating internally, a lot of my smoothies helped as well. But, you know, I hit it from both sides internally, externally, and I really feel like that helped accelerate the healing process and the skin cell growth. I just, I mean, I was every single day for that whole, you know, and it led into my just obsession, obsession with it, with it now, just from nutrition, skin care, everything. So, that's what I eat, breathe, and sleep. Well, we're talking to Andy Nylo, who's the creator of a company called Allatura Naturals. You can check it out at allaturn naturals.com. So let's get into a few practical tips here that our listener or viewer can implement to try and get luscious skin. Or if there's someone's got scarring, how to improve, you know, or reduce the visible signs of maybe an unsightly scar, how do we do this, whether it's topical stuff that we put on our skin, or whether it's through the foods or the liquids that we digest, like what's gonna give us the best skin? Give us an action plan, Andy. Absolutely. So, I'm big on three things. Exfoliate, nourish, and then moisturize. So when I say that, you know, I use a mild exfoliant myself and my product, the Kaolin Clay, but I also combine that with French Green Clay, Russell Clay, and Pyrofilite Clay, which is a little over 70%, which is of silica, which is a building block and collagen. So I add that to, with things like the first six-hour milk and grass-fed colostrum, L-ascorbic acid, which is a high potency form of vitamin C, which crosses the dermis, a very potent topical cleanser, sodium alginate, organic cow powder, American ginseng and freshwater pearl powder, which helps mildly bleach out sunspots, whatever type of abrasions or scarring that you've had. I mean, say if you have a freshly, a fresh wound, I would wait until it closes and then start to gently exfoliate that area and then nourish that exfoliated area with a good moisturizing agent, like say cacao butter. Okay, so let's go back. I'm gonna stop you there because I'm already a little bit confused. So let's just deal, you said exfoliate, nourish and moisturize, okay? So let's deal with exfoliate first. Like what's the first thing we do? How do we exfoliate? So there are really good scrubs out there. There are really good masks out there that are just a couple simple ingredients that you can just gently exfoliate skin cells. So a lot of dead skin cells are just on the surface of our skin that never fade away. That we wanna exfoliate, say a couple times a week, just to generate new skin cell growth and brighten up our complexion with that freshly exfoliated skin. So you can do that through a scrub or a mask. I do both, but a couple times a week, you don't wanna overdo it because it's just that if you over exfoliate, it can become very irritating to the skin. So what are these things called? Like can you go into a riot aid or any kind of pharmacy and find these things called a skin exfoliator? Is that what it's called? A facial scrub is, I wouldn't go to riot aid or Target. I mean, you can find some decent ones there, I guess, but I would go to your local natural health food store. Whole Foods is great, but Trader Joe's probably has something a little cleaner than, say, a riot aid or Target or a drugstore. But anything that is really dissect the ingredients, the less the better, the more natural the better. If it's from the earth, I wanna put it on my face and I think it's gonna, or my skin, my dermis. Your skin's your largest organ, so you wanna feed it. You wanna treat it almost like another mouth. I mean, I'm very big on staying away from chemicals and synthetic man-made products or ingredients in my products. Yeah, yeah. Well, we're gonna talk about your line in a second now that two are naturals, but in general, the first tip is to exfoliate and buy a scrub, right? And a facial scrub. Preferably going to a natural health store like Whole Foods or Trader Joe's. We're looking for the more natural, the better. Stay away from chemicals. I'm assuming that you have a face scrub in your line, which we'll, do you? Do you have a face? Well, we're working on it. We should have it in by, I would say June, May or June. Yeah. Coming soon to Allatura Naturals is the exfoliate and the scrub. Okay, so I, that's good to know only two times a month. It's funny, you know, because I have a- No, two times a week. Two times a week, I'm sorry. That's what I meant, yeah. It's funny, you know, I went to the Sundance Film Festival about three years ago. I actually went again recently, you know, last week, but I went three years ago and they hand out all these free gifts there. And one of the gifts that I got was this face scrub. And I kept it in my New York apartment because I have a New York apartment. And I was back in New York a couple days, a couple of weeks ago, rather, and I was going through my old pantry and I found this scrub. And I was like, damn, I haven't exfoliated in like two years, I should do this thing. And I exfoliated and afterwards, man, I felt so good. It was like, my skin just felt so soft. And like, it was weird. It was like, damn it, what the hell did I just do for two years of not exfoliating and all of a sudden I exfoliated. I was like, oh, that's as smooth as a baby's bottom, you know? Absolutely, it just feels better. It's, you feel more alive. I mean, you're waking up, you're really getting that circulation flowing into the surface of the skin as well. So like, that just, you know, helps brighten up and make your face look more vibrant. It really makes me feel all around more vibrant as well. So yeah, it's just a good way to wake up and to use part of your skincare routine. Okay, so first one is exfoliate. Number two, you said nourish. So how are we nourishing? So it's part of, say, using a good nutrient dense mask with things with hopefully superfood extracts or good, you know, nourishing essential oils, growth factor rich ingredients. You know, there are starting to become more and more products out there that are legit. There are some great, all-natural brands. Again, I'm big on not using products with a lot of synthetic ingredients or chemicals. So I mean, there are really good potent superfoods, say for instance, cacao butter. I'm also big on bee products, royal jelly, beeswax, good raw honey. These are things we can create at home. There are a lot of good brands out there as well, but that's how I got started with it, was basically just doing my research, finding potent ingredients, buying them one by one and then just kind of just mixing them up in my bathroom, just seeing what I could come up with. But one thing that was consistent with all of it was just undeniable results with just, you know, I think beeswax and manuka honey are the so healing to the dermis. And it's just- So you were saying we actually buy these, like cacao butter, oil, manuka honey, raw honey, and we just stick it on our face? Well, you could, I mean, you mix them together as a paste. Right. You can also just apply directly. I would buy, I mean, cacao butter usually comes in a chunk and I just would use it, use my body temperature to kind of get it smooth a little bit so it would apply. And I would just apply directly on my face, on my scarring and now cacao butter is like one of my main ingredients in all my products. I mean, that's incredibly, incredibly antioxidant or rich stuff, but also loaded with good essential fatty acids. It's just, yeah, cacao butter, the chocolate pot in general is something that fascinates me. So to be clear, you started by saying, you know, you're using nutrient dense masks. So, like when you say mask, you're actually saying you get a mask and you put all these ingredients on. I mean, I'm sure I'm sounding like an idiot asking you this, but I'm sure the average person doesn't really know how to do it. I've never put on a mask with cucumbers or whatever, like that. I've never done that stuff, so I don't know. But are you literally saying go out to a store and buy essential oils, buy cacao butter, buy beeswax, buy manuka honey, buy raw honey and mix it all together and then into one concoction and put it on the inside of a mask and then stick that mask on your face? Well, that's what I meant by just nourishing that freshly exfoliated skin. I mean, believe me, there are products out there that do that for you, so you don't have to sit at your kitchen or in your bathroom and try to mix up cacao butter, beeswax, but that's what I did. I mean, I love doing that stuff. I still do it, but obviously I'm a moisturizer and night cream professionally formulated because I started taking a while, but out of convenience, they're really good moisturizing. They're really good skin serums and that's what we want to apply. I mean, because we're constantly absorbing toxins and we're constantly getting depleted of our minerals as we age and that's just accelerating the aging process in general. So it's on us to replenish that skin with really good essential fatty acids and just serums and screws. So if we don't want to buy all those ingredients ingredients separately, which 99% of the people listening, I'm sure are probably on the same wavelength. I don't want to do that. Maybe some people do. Maybe that's fun little Sunday afternoon. You know, but it's not for me. It doesn't sound like fun to me, but I want to get all the benefits of that. Like I'm willing to put it on my face, but what's the easy way to do that and how often do we do that? Like how do I, what's the easiest, simplest, most time efficient way for me to put cacao butter, well beeswax, manuka honey, raw honey on my face and how often should I do it? Finding a good brand that you trust with very, with no chemicals, they're out there. It's becoming good thing that it's, there's more of a movement now. I'm starting to see more and more of it. A good brand of what though? Like what's it called? A good brand of what? Let's see. There would be. No, but like what's it called? What's the, is it like a good brand? Is it literally called, is that what it's called? Well, I mean, they're skin nourishing masks. They're skin nourishing serums. They're skin nourishing moisturizing agents, night creams. I would, I mean, for, for nourishing the skin, I mean, I just, I use my, my product. I mean, it's, I don't want to sound like I'm here just to promote my product, but I mean, that's, that's what I use. No, no, no, that's okay. But just in general, the terminology for, for the, the nourishing is, is it a moisturizer or is it literally, is it literally called like a skin nourishing mask or is it called a skin nourishing serum? I would say skin nourishing serum, facial serum. Okay. Yeah. Facial serum. That's, that's probably a good way to, to go. And they're out there. There's some really good ones with, you know, good cell turnover, you know, ingredients like, you know, coquette's hand, uber-quinole. I mean, there's, yeah, there's a lot of good potent. Well, look, thank you for being humble enough to not want to push your brand. But I want you to push it now because it sounds like it's a one-stop shop and I want it because I don't want to be going to Whole Foods looking for skin nourishing, facial. Yeah. Yeah. Nuka honey things. Just tell me what yours is so I can get it. Well, yeah, I mean, it's, that's, that's what I, that's the reason why I did it is cause out of convenience, I mean, I've never seen it. There aren't any other things like it right now in, in the stores. So that's why it's, it's going really well. But I mean, that's, that's what I wanted to do. I mean, things like colostrum, things like the, the pearl powder. I mean, it's just, it does, there's everything in there as an absolute purpose. I want to create that circulation to the surface of the skin and really create that blood flow and, and then feed that freshly exfoliated skin with the growth factor rich ingredients like colostrum, which is loaded with IGF-1 growth factors. It really helps that, that skin care or skin, the skin cells repair itself and helps that cell, cell turn over and just, yeah, I mean, so that's what I do the mask for, you know, a few times a week, a couple of times a week. And then I just moisturize that area afterwards with my moisturizer. Okay, so, so they were looking at, we exfoliate first, which we don't, we're not using your brand because it isn't out yet. You don't have an exfoliated, well, hang on a second, I've accidentally, I just turned on your, I've heard that plenty of times. Yeah, that's your website. I just went onto the allatourinaturals.com website and there is a handsome face there and the, so we're looking here and if I go to store, your product, which is the second part, is called the, is it called the Claim Mask? Is that what it is? The Claim Mask? Is that the one that's got all of the things that you just talked about? Yes, yes, so I would, so a good brand that I would recommend is Acure for the scrub. So the first thing we were talking about, A-C-U-R-E, extremely affordable. A-C-U-R-E. A-C-U-R-E, that killer scrub. Okay. And so ideally what I would do is do the scrub, do my mask and then I follow up with my moisturizer. That's to, you know, condition the moisturizer. When you say the word mask, are you talking about actually like a mask like Batman or are you talking about just putting on products? Cause I don't understand the terminology. It's clay powder and then I add an emulsifying agent, whether it's Bulgarian rose water, apple cider vinegar, really acts like an astringent, excuse me. So it's not actually a mask? It's not actually a mask like Batman would wear. No, no, this is a, it's something you apply to the face and neck and it drives and it does, you know, take over your whole, you know, your whole face almost like a mask or like you said a Batman mask, but it's, yeah, it dries and then you, I just hop in the shower and just rinse it off. But it's, you know, it's great to really, you know, just feel those capillaries circulate underneath the eyes. A lot of people get, you know, under eye bags and, you know, dark circles. This is a good way to really get that area circulated. And, you know, for years, you know, I pull all nighters all the time with my company and stuff like that. And I used to work in nighttime in the service industry and I wouldn't get much sleep. I swear that really helped. Because I say diligent with that routine and just, you know, getting that area constantly circulated. I don't have bags. And I swear that because of that. Okay, so we're exfoliating with a Q-R-A scrub, A-C-U-R-E scrub. And then we're nourishing with your brand, the Allatura Clay Mask, right? That's what I do, yeah. And then third, we're moisturizing with what? I use my moisturizer. It's just, it's 95.4% certified organic. I mean, I created, I know exactly what's in it. Sourced every ingredient. But it's, you know, I added different botanical ingredients, essential oils, things like German blue camomile, Australian sandalwood, sea buckthorn oil, ylang ylang, boiled jelly, cacao butter, beeswax, I mean, everything in there. It's just, it's an all star in its own, right? I studied a lot of the brands that would use these ingredients as their heroes. But I just thought it would be just, I just wanted to see what it would feel like on my skin if I would combine all these big expensive oils and extracts and it costs a lot. But I just, I had, you know, had no intention of creating a business at the time. I just, and I, you know, was just creating it for myself. So. Is that the Allatura Night Cream? Is that what you call it? That is, that was my followup product to my moisturizer, my moisturizer. What's the moisturizer it's called? Allatura moisturizer, is it? That's it right there, yep. Okay. So I got a question for you. I had a guest on my show, a guy called Ben Greenfield, Ben Greenfield Fitness. He's a good friend of mine. He has a cool podcast, Ben Greenfield Fitness. And I told him a few years ago that I was using moisturizers and I was just telling, you know, I was just getting whatever moisturizers from the store or whatever and putting it on my face. He's like, dude, don't put that shit on your face. I'm like, what are you talking about? He said, it's full of chemicals, it's full of parabens. You know, he basically said, never put on your skin what you wouldn't put in your mouth. Absolutely. And I was like, damn, that's, I've never heard of that before because I'm thinking like, well, and then I started looking at the moisturizer and it was, you know, the moisture, is it Nutrigena, these big things? That's what you're using? Yeah, I think I was using Nutrigena and they use like these big Hollywood stars to promote their products. I think they've got, I don't want to say it's Jennifer Aniston, but there's someone, there's some, you know, Hollywood actress or star that says, use Nutrigena and all this kind of stuff. So I'm putting this stuff on my face, thinking, great, my skin's going to be looking good and whatever. And then I took the time to look on the back of it and look at the ingredients. And it's like, holy hell, there's like, names of things I couldn't even pronounce with so many chemicals and parabens and all this kind of stuff. And what Ben Greenfield told me to do, he said, throw that shit out, just put on, put extra virgin olive oil on your face or use coconut oil. I'm like, what? What are you talking about putting olive oil on my face? And he's like, dude, trust me. And the best thing about it is that Italian women want to lick it off your face. And I'm like, yeah, that's what he said. Yeah, that's what he said. And I was like, that's good enough for me. I'm going to go and buy some olive oil now and find me an Italian woman who wants to lick it off my face. I'm like, sold. That's the best marketing ever. And I'll tell you what happened. I was in San Francisco at the time. And I was staying there. It was July of 2013. And I was staying with a mate of mine, Maneesh Satie, who's a good friend of mine, the creator of a company called Pavloch, that I'm an angel of history. And anyway, the first time I tried this, I put the olive oil on my face. And Maneesh said, come on, man, we're going to this party up the road. And I'm like, okay, so I put this olive oil, I soaked my face in it. And we're in the back of an Uber, going to this party. He looked at me and he goes, what the, what the hell is on your face? I'm like, what? He goes, you're a grease ball. You've got it. And so what I realized is that I just put way too much of this olive oil stuff on my face, right? And so I went to this party and these people are looking at me funny. And I went to the bathroom finally and I was like, Jesus, I had to wipe it all off. Subsequently after that, I would just dab a little bit of this olive oil and put it on my face. And then after that, I moved on to coconut oil because I was told coconut oil was pretty good as well. So what I've done now, I haven't used a moisturizing product since then, since Ben Greenfield told me that, I've only used olive oil or coconut oil. Now, coconut oil, I think clogs your skin up just a little bit. And the olive oil, I think is the best thing. The only thing with olive oil is that you have to put it on like 30 minutes before you go out because you do look a little bit shiny and it takes a little while for it to soak into your skin. But since I've been doing that, I've been very comfortable in feeling like I'm getting the good, great benefits of moisturizing my skin. Am I right? Is that correct? Absolutely. And olive oil is one of the central carriers in every one of my products. And it's going to be because of that reason. It's a, I'm actually using ozonated olive oil which helps oxygenate your skin cells in my activated oil blend that's coming out here in about a month. But yeah, olive oil is, that's my carrier. That's probably my central ingredient, my number one central ingredient percentage-wise in my moisturizer because of that reason. It's great. Coconut oil, maybe I would throw it in a body lotion, maybe, but I don't think I would. And I would definitely not use it on the face for that reason that it clogs. But it's okay, I mean, it's better than using Neutrogena, anything is. I mean, like yourself, I use Clean and Clear, she's Neutrogena, Clear Assault, I mean, so dove. I mean, you name it. All the heavily marketed brands with that celebrity presence that I would read about and see in magazines. Oh, Alex Rodriguez is using Clinique. And I went out and I bought Alex, or that moisturizer that he was using just because of that. And who knows, maybe down the road, I'll be able to afford somebody like that. But I don't know because I don't want to put that money into my ingredients, not my marketing. I love letting the customer speak, using that as word of mouth as my marketing. That's all we've done so far. Yeah, I'm just looking online, I'm looking at the celebrities that these big brands use. There's an actress called Haydn Penitere, I don't know. Who does she use? Neutrogena, she uses Neutrogena. Who's, what's another big brand that we can have a look at, which celebrities? Tristlaid's Neutrogena, what's another big one? Johnson and Johnson owns, okay. Let's do Avino. Avino, they claim to be all natural. They're another big one that I just have. Avino Skincare, let's have a look here, Avino. Yeah, okay, Skincare, hey. Jennifer Aniston, there you go. Really? Jennifer Aniston, yeah, look, Avino, A-V-E-E-N-O. Healthy looking radiance, helps reduce the look of brown spots in just four weeks. Beautiful skin, and it's got a big picture of the Hollywood actress Jennifer Aniston, formally. And they're huge, and good for them. I'm all about ingredient decks and just toxicity. And like Ben Greenfield said, me and him are aligned. I mean, I'm at the point, I've been using all natural products for years now. If I were to use something like that, I would go through a full on detox, let alone the irritation that I would experience, but I would be in a fog. And something like that that you put on your face and that you apply so close to your brain, I just, it scares me, I don't want any part of that. Well, I'm clicking on Avino, it says our ingredients, and they say ingredients are carefully selected from nature and uniquely formulated through the power of science to deliver visible benefits for skin and hair. And then it lists these things. But I'm assuming, I can't see it here, but I'm assuming that this is gonna have a lot of chemicals and parabens on it, right? I don't know about parabens. I would be, I would guarantee I've read the back. I mean, they have, I wanna say they're full of steroids. I gotta be careful. I don't wanna get in trouble, but I know for a fact, I mean, they probably have, they gotta have somewhere, I don't know if they have the ingredients listed somewhere between 20 and 30 ingredients. You know, when you get to that point, it's just all about minimizing cost. And, you know, you're so mass produced, and that just becomes untraceable to me. I mean, my mind, I mean, you just gotta narrow down that cost because you're distributing to the Walgreens, to the targets, and that's where they are. And, you know, they're owned by the big names, you know, the Estee Lauders. You know, it's understandable. I don't wanna... Yeah, but here's the thing. When I was talking to Ben Greenfield about this issue, my, I was getting my testosterone levels checked, and my testosterone levels were down a bit. And he said to me, one of the things that you should do, James, is stop putting that shit on your face. Right? Don't moisturize it. I was using a little bit of hairspray at the time as well. He's like, dude, stop spraying that crap on your hair as well because you're just spraying chemicals onto your body. And I'd never thought to even look at the ingredients until he told me, I looked at the ingredients and I just completely changed my bathroom habits. Like now I have all natural products. I use Dr. Bonner's... Is it Dr. Bronner's or Dr. Bronner's? Do you use the peppermint? Yeah, the peppermint stuff, yeah. It's different. Yeah, it's like shower gel. So instead of using a soap bar, like from Dove or whatever, I now use the Dr. Bronner's, which is excellent. It comes in a really big, heavy bottle. You can actually buy it on Amazon. And it's all just natural oil. So I clean myself, I shower, I shampoo using that stuff now. And you just feel a lot cleaner and a lot nicer. And I'm not putting any chemicals on my body. So for you the listener, whether you're male, female, whatever, taking care of your skin is important. But what's most important is that you're not putting chemicals that are lowering your testosterone levels, secretly messing with your libido, messing with your hormones. And like your bathroom is a chemical plant if you don't have natural products in there. Right, Andy? No, absolutely. You do not want to escort those toxins into your bloodstream. And it's actually, the thing is, it is more easier to escort those toxins into our bloodstream than it is to eat them. I mean, so it's just, because we digest with our gut activity and stuff like that. Sometimes certain toxins aren't absorbed. And sometimes certain toxins are. But when we put stuff onto our skin, it is, it's escorted much quicker to our bloodstream than it is if we already even eat it. So just got to be very careful with what we put everywhere. Like you said, our scalp, our face, our body. Check the ingredient list. Read those carcinogenic, those government-recognized carcinogen lists that are on who stirrates the isopropyl alcohols, the parabens, the artificial colors, fragrances, sodium wool, sulfate. That's another one. It's just, there's so many beautiful essential oils out there and just superfood, nutrient-dense ingredients. It may be a little messy. So like you said, you want to maybe do it a little earlier before you head out. So you're not wiping your forehead at night at dinner, or whatever. But it's worth it because you're going to feel better. And the libido is going to be a lot more enhanced. The endocrine levels, and like you said, messing with our hormones, that's the one thing that really, really scares me. And it's all over your body every day because that's one thing that we're doing. Sometimes daily showering and we're just escorting all those toxins and just synthetic ingredients into our system. It's just going to wreak havoc on us. So if you're a guy watching or listening, if the threat of parabens and chemicals on your body is not enough, then maybe I can inspire you to exfoliate and scrub and moisturize by saying that women are going to want to lick your face. That's a good enough reason, right? I'm listening right now who's so tough. I'm like, I'm not doing moisture. I don't moisturize. I don't put freaking moisturizer on my face. I'm not exfoliating. And then you go, well, chicks love it. You know what? If you're as handsome as Andy, women appreciate a man who's well groomed. It's like, take good care of yourself. Plus, in the same time, you're going to be making sure you're going to be raising your testosterone levels because your testosterone levels won't be lowered because of all the crap that you're putting on your body. And you're going to look good doing it. So there you go. David Beckham, I'm a big fan now all of a sudden. You know, I used to make fun of him. But now I'm like, oh, he was onto something right at the beginning. All right, well, Andy, thanks so much, mate. And to the listener and viewer, just check out Andy's website. Go to allatouranaturals.com. I'm going to spell it for you. A-L-I-T-U-R-A naturals.com. Andy suggests, you can't get one of his exfoliating products because he hasn't cut a good amount on the market yet. But you use, he suggests, how do you pronounce it? Accure, Accure? Accure is great, A-C-U-R-E, so a cure. And yeah, they're everywhere, they're extremely affordable. I don't know how they do that, but yeah, it's a very good price point. And it's a great ingredient deck, a very good ingredient roster, and yeah, that's what I use. OK, so the Accure Scrub and the Acura Scrub, and then you can go to allatouranaturals.com and grab Andy's mask, which is the Allatura Clay Mask, which you would put on your face to nourish. And how many times a week would you do that, Andy? I've worked my way up to every other day, but I've worked my way up there because I've been doing it for years. So I would recommend doing a mask once or twice at night. It's very stimulating, but it's a lot better than going to, say, a med spa and doing things like chemical peels and microgerms, which have unpredictable down time. So once a night? So nightly, yeah. And then moisturize... Well, no, once or twice a week. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I didn't want to. One or two times a week, and then the moisturize with the Allatura moisturizer, which you can get from Allatura Naturals. And how often would you do that? Do you do that in the morning and the night, or just the night? Daily in the morning, after the shower. After the shower, and yeah, it's... And it's very, very, very, very good. Yeah, it's... And it's a lot of food-grade ingredients in there. It's bottled in maroon glass. UV rays can't penetrate it. It's preserved by the bottle, not by toxins. I don't use any preservatives. Okay, and if all else fails, if you don't do that for whatever reason, put some extra virgin olive oil on your face. Just a little dab. Just a little dab. Not too much, because you'll look like me in San Francisco and you're looking like a shiny beast. It's not a good look. Andy Nylo is his name. Thank you so much for joining us, Andy. Hey, James, thanks so much for having me. It's been great. If you enjoyed this episode, you got a lot out of it. Please do send me a tweet now at at James Swanwick. Just a reminder, you can follow me on social media at James Swanwick. If you're watching on YouTube, I'm gonna put up where you can follow me. I'm on Snapchat these days, doing a lot more Snapchats, which is the same thing at James Swanwick. If you're listening on the podcast, you wanna see the video version of this and just see the beautiful glowing skin of Andy Nylo go to youtube.com James Swanwick and you can see that there. 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