 For pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021, this meeting will be conducted via remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so in the following manner by emailing steve mccarthy at mccarthy s at mrstma.gov that's m-c-c-a-r-t-h-y-s at mrstma.gov. No personal attendance of members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real-time via technological means. In the event that we are unable to do so for reasons of economic hardship and despite best efforts, we will post on the MRST website an audio or video recording transcript or other comprehensive record of proceedings as soon as possible after the meeting. And with that done, I'll call the meeting to order at 5.03 p.m. and take a roll call of attendance. Dylan? Here. Doug? Here. And I'm here, so we are three here and two absent. Next up on the agenda is public comment and this is general public comment unrelated to anything on the agenda below it on the agenda. So if anyone is here for general public comment, please raise your hand by pressing the raise hand button at the bottom of your screen. And Doug, yes? If I may, while you're waiting for your hands to be raised. Yes. If there are any. I think our preamble regarding the remote means may need to change because the legislature took action. So I think it's a slight change. It's not a big deal, but at the same time it's different than what it was. So mostly heads up to Steve, we've got to find some slightly different language. I think Andy Steinberg at a finance committee meeting the other day had some new language. So that's what made me think of it. I was at a meeting. Okay. All right, great. We should definitely get that updated. Okay. Thanks. All right. Thanks. Thanks, Doug. Thanks, Steve. Okay. If there's no public comment, we'll move on to our licenses in section three. And the first one is special short-term alcohol serving licenses, SST dash 23 dash 18 William transmit to see top of the campus, Inc. July, June 24th, 2023, one to five PM at the fine arts center. And is someone here from UMass? Or is this just a standard short-term service? He's not here, right? We're able to make it today, but it is another one of the standard ones in the fine arts center. Okay. Great. Thanks. Did anyone have any questions or concerns about this one? It looks, yes, Doug. I think the only thing I would just ask, and Steve can break from this because he's had the conversation, is that I presume that the sort of standard bar setup and management is going to be the same as it typically is, which is really, you know, a very contained space and really not an issue for us in that regard. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Great. Thanks. If there are no other questions or comments, is there a motion to approve this license? So moved. Thanks, Doug. Is there a second? Seconded. Thank you, Dylan. Any further discussion? If not, we'll take a vote. Doug. Hi. Dylan. Hi. And I vote aye. That is three to zero with two absent. The license has been approved. Okay. Next up is temporary outdoor dining applications, B-263 Monkey Bar LLC at 63 North Pleasant Street. And Steve, this is like the ones that we had at the last meeting? Yes. So this was just one that didn't quite make it under the deadline last time, so it'll be for the Parklets. Okay. They have been out for the last two years. Okay. And that paperwork was attached? Yes. Yes. Okay. Great. Doesn't anyone have any questions about that? Yes, Doug. I think I just want to confirm and Steve can probably do this because he probably had the conversation. The sort of layout location, et cetera, for B-263 will be the same as in FASS. Identical, yeah. Okay. And you may or may not know this. And I think that last time when Gabrielle Gould was here that she spoke to us a little bit, but there were, we don't know of any issues we've had with these outdoor dining circumstances, no issues like the police have reported or fired or any of those kind of things, traffic safety, any of those kind of questions. I mean, this is a broad question, not specific to the license, but I just wanted to bring it up. No. I have had no complaints raised about it. Seems they've all been well managed and closed pretty early. And I don't believe there's been any problems with them to my knowledge over the last three years at this point. Yeah. I'm kind of hoping they make this opportunity permanent because I think for a town like Amherst, it's ideal because we're quieter in the summer, the weather's good, it's nice to be outside. This would be a really nice, you know, sort of cafe culture thing we can build over time, which we've had. It'd be great to have. Yeah, it would. The legislature has extended for at least another year, so we will see. Yeah. See if anything changes. So I'll move to the application for a temporary outdoor dining and alcohol service for Bistro 63. Okay. Great. Thanks, Doug. Is there a second? Dylan? I'm sorry, I think it might have been a bad service there. Can you second? Yeah, I'll go ahead and second. All right. Thank you so much. Any further discussion? If there's not, we'll take a vote. Doug? Bye. Dylan? Bye. And I vote aye. That is three to zero with two absent and the application is approved for temporary outdoor dining. Okay, great. Next up is the new Common Victuals License application, corner covered LLC at 314 College Street. And is this a new business? This is a new business, correct? This is a new business. Yep. So Kai Herzig has been allowed to speak. So Kai, if you want to introduce the business and your application. Hi, everyone. I'm Kai Herzig from the corner covered. We're hoping to be in business soon. We're down at 314 College Street and it's a classic American style diner. Great. Oh, this is where Kelly's used to be? Yeah, it was previously Kelly's. I bought it from Steve about three months ago. Okay, great. Wonderful. Someone's there. Any questions on this application? Yes, Doug? I just have a couple real quick. I noticed that you're doing Sunday through Saturday, excuse me, Tuesday through Sunday, so no Mondays. And also that you noted that you wanted to do the BYOB with table service. So I think there's a couple things I want to ask about that kind of combination is that, is the idea you're thinking that with a 6 a.m. to 2 p.m. timeframe that you might on a weekend, like a Saturday or Sunday, you might get a something that wants to have a Bloody Mary or something like, you know, they might not a Bloody Mary, they might bring something in with their with their quote unquote brunch, or are you thinking more it's the lunch crowd that might want to have a beer on a Saturday afternoon or something like that? What's your expectation around that and what's your thoughts about managing it so you can kind of make sure that doesn't, you know, that it works well for you as well as for the patrons and that, you know, were BYOB or not? So we did have some patrons from Kelly's restaurant. I had visited there several times before they closed who showed interest in having like a mimosa or a michelada for like Saturday brunch, Sunday brunch. But we were leaning more towards the idea that we do a pop-up later, maybe bi-weekly, and then having the pop-up some people may like to bring wine or beer in to have with it. So that's more why we were leaning towards the BYOB because we didn't think it would make sense to get a full beer and wine license since it would only be like once every other week. Right. That's great. And I think just the other question is sort of, you know, are you anticipating, you know, sort of a fairly low volume of people participating so that your management and observation of those patrons that do bring their own beverages? I mean, I guess what I'm really trying to ask is sort of what's your thought about how you're going to manage that, what you're going to tell your white staff, what kind of training and expertise do you want to share with them so that they kind of keep an eye on the situation if you're not there? The white staff will be certified, but we're not going to advertise that we offer BYOB, but if somebody does happen to come in, we would like to offer the service. So we're not expecting a large turnout for beer and wine. Great. That's appreciated. I, you know, I think once they find out, you know, Amherst Lickers is literally walking distance. I'm familiar with the neighborhood because it's near where I live in town. So that's why I'm asking maybe all the questions because I'm curious. I'm certainly, you know, thinking about the sort of proximity of both Amherst Lickers and I'm throwing a blank at the other place. It's a good house. Thank you. It's right there within walking distance. So anyway, just curious about what your expectations are. So thank you for that and I appreciate that. And I hope you have the best of luck in the new location for you. Thank you so much. Great. Great. Any further questions about this application? If not, is there a motion to approve the Common Vic? So moved. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thanks, Dylan. Any further discussion? If not, we'll take a vote. Doug? Aye. Dylan? Aye. And I vote aye. That is three to zero with two absent and the license is approved. Thank you so much for coming in and, you know, good luck with everything. Thank you so much again. Okay. Thanks. Bye-bye. Thank you. Bye. Okay. So now, next up is the spoke. And we're going to do, we have both the, these would both been continued from last time. And we have the new license application for the spoke live. And then the change of manager application. Marianne, I have a disclosure on this one. A disclosure. Oh, okay. Yep. A few years back, I lived, I've been roommates with Colin Hughes as an applicant. I think that was pre-COVID, I think sometime around 2017, 2018, around that time. Certainly, I have no financial relationship with them. I can be unbiased in this application. Okay. All right. Great. Is that satisfactory for everyone? Is that due, Steve? Yeah. I think we can note that down and note you feel that does not present a conflict of interest. Okay. Great. Okay. So welcome to Chattanooga and Ms. Bodine. How do you go down? Bodine? Bodine. Bodine. Thank you. I'm the attorney. Okay. Great. Yeah. I remember you from last time you were here. Can I say something real quick? I just want to say I do have our two managers are logged in as well. It's Colin Hughes and Rich Lupold. I'm not sure how they're logged in, but if you can, if you want to give them access in case you'd like them to speak, I think, I don't know, Steven, are you the one running that? Yeah, Chatt, I can see Rich here and we can save him. They're together. Rich and Colin are sitting at the bar with each other. So if you just let him in, they'll be able to do their separate things that they need to do. Okay. Do we want to bring them in for the first, wait until the change of manager? Because those are the change of managers, right? Yeah. One of them is, they're both on the same computer and one of them is the manager for this application. One of them is the proposed manager for the other application. Okay. Okay. All right. Great. Doug? Do we have to formally open the hearing? It was continued from last time. Do we need to? Right. So I think we're fine, right? I think we are fine. Yeah. Okay. Hi, Rich and hi, Connor or Colin? Colin. Colin. Colin. Hi. Welcome. Thanks. Thank you. Okay. So who is going to introduce this application? Because I think we've just opened it and then we continued it from a while back. I think, I'm the attorney for the applicant, but I think I'm going to let, I'm going to let Chad do most of the talking since he's done most of the legwork on the application. Basically, they're applying for a new license to open a nightclub space on Pre Street in the building that where the laundromat and where Old Town Tavern were. There's a ZVA permit underway for that. And in, in an opening that nightclub space, they're going to need to change the manager of the spoke, existing spoke to be a new person so that they'll have one manager for each venue. Oh, okay. Okay. So that's why there's sort of two applications before you. And as I said, I'm thinking I'm going to, if that's okay, I'm going to hand it over to Chad for the, for the rest. What's the order of operations? Are we doing the change of manager of the existing space first? Are we doing the new application? We're doing the new application first and the change of manager. Gotcha. Okay. Okay. All right. So Chad, hi. Go ahead. Hi. Hi. So as, as Christy said, what we're seeking to do in the, in the one through 11 Pre Street building. So in the, this is kind of a two-part thing and why we're here. The current spoke building that exists, which is at 33 to 37 East Pleasant Street, which has originally had the spoke since 1984. We, as you guys have, we visited you before for twice of extension of premises. We've, we've moved in, in 2018, we moved into Southern Pizza. 2020, we moved into Amherst Copy. And at the time of moving into the Amherst Copy space, we created a sort of a two-section part of the, of the bar. One half of it is what you would consider your traditional pub or tavern. The other half of it is what you would consider to be a nightclub. And so that other half operates Thursday through Sunday only, occasionally on Sunday nights, Monday, sometimes on Mondays, depending on long weekends. Obviously, it's a student-based bar where you live and die by the university schedule as many businesses in our town do. It's been a great success. As, as you guys well know, unfortunately during COVID, we didn't see growth. We actually start quite the opposite. We saw a couple of our establishments go away. And so we've taken the opportunity to utilize the space in the back that used to be Old Town Tavern and Charlie's before that in conjunction with the, what was the general cleaners in the laundromat and utilize the entire space, 6,000 square feet. I think it's actually 5,500 square feet, technically. And so what we're looking to do is take the other half of the current front building, the nightclub section of it, out of that section, out of that building and move that concept into the building next door and be able to have a larger pub tavern in the front building and a larger space for the nightclub in the back building, giving us two different concepts and two different buildings, different management styles, different, you know, everything. Same theme, same, same owners, same employees, same way we manage, like we have since 2017. Essentially, nothing's going to change. We're going to operate the same way we have, but it is a detached building from the current one. So obviously we have to seek a liquor license for that space, which is why we are here today to do so. The manager of that space that we're proposing, Colin Hughes, has been with us since we took over the original spoke in 2017. He was there for years before that with the original owner. So Colin is as experienced as anyone we have in that space. We have had no issues. Like I said, we've grown three times in that space. I don't think the letter is here from Chief Livingston, but we have a letter on, you know, speaking on our behalf from him. We have support from Amherst Fire. In the seven years I've owned that business, we have not had a single ABCC violation. I believe that we sort of were the precedent to set the requirements for the standards you guys use on some of your stuff, like scanner systems, and how doors operate. And we've continued to do that way flawlessly. We've had, like I said, we've had no incidences. We're not perfect. We try to be as best as possible. There's certainly been issues that we've dealt with, but we've had no violations. We pride ourselves on that. We try to be the standard that Amherst needs to rise to. So again, we're seeking approval from you guys for a liquor license in that back building. And there's nothing different there that we would do in the front building. Actually, the way we're going to create it will be a much easier building to manage, frankly. So we're pretty excited for it. That's all I got. Thanks, Chad. Any questions for Chad about the application? I've got just one quick question here. I know you guys do the front spoke. You guys do popcorn for food. What are you guys going to have available to patrons in the new nightclub space? Same thing. We'll meet the requirements per obviously when we deal with Rob Moore and his department and all the things that we have to put in place to meet the requirements for any conditions they have. We'll do that. The popcorn is the exact same thing we do in the front building is what we'll take to the back of the building. This is an application for what's known as general license. So there's no requirement for food to be served with this type of a license. There is a local regulation that requires snacks be available for free if there isn't a full kitchen. Yep. Yes. Stephen made me aware of that. We like I said, we'll operate that the exact same way that we are currently operating the front building for those purposes. Okay. Thank you. Great. Thanks. Let's see. Any questions, Doug? Sorry, it looked like I'm staring at the ceiling, but what I'm really doing is pulling up the application. I was trying to get to the floor plan for the new space. So I'm seeing correctly mostly what we're looking at is that the if I'm sort of reading the chart, right, the space that was Charlie's then became Old Town, that line share of that space is going to be the sort of active space for a split. If you look, if you look at the the drawing, you'll see what looks like a retaining wall in the middle of the building. Yeah, that is if you if you're familiar with the building and all we do, there's one old firewall that is a is a concrete cinderblock wall that goes up through the ceiling. That's the only wall that'll remain. That's sort of in the middle of where the general cleaners were. So it's a little bit bigger that nightclub space that you're referring to that open room is larger than what it was for Charlie's and Old Town Tavern. It would be that room plus half of the general cleaners would make up the front part of that building. Okay. And from that wall back will make up what you would consider to be the employee based space and then the two bathrooms. Right. Right. Okay. That's 2,900 feet of open space in that larger room. How much did you say again? 2,900 square feet of open space in that larger room? No, I think in quite frankly, I think for the kind of activity you're talking about, that's that's a better space. You know, having a little more room is actually better for everybody in that regard. You better sidelines that are, you know, putting in more patriots, quite frankly, you know, and that's what you're going to do is sort of easier to manage. To be honest with you, our end goal after this, assuming that all this is approved by you guys and then the zoning board alike, the next plan, and I'm going to work on it immediately after this space is done is to go back and revisit the front building. I'm working with my same architect who did the drawing for me on this one. We're working with him to redesign that front building with the hopes of over the next nine months to get permitting and visit you guys for any requirements we have to redo the entire layout of that building as well. Because to be honest, we've done three expansions in that building. We don't love the layout of it. It's not easily manageable for us, but we were forced to do it in the way we had to do it. And so our plan for 2023 is to get into the new space, get that up and running, and then look to the summer of 2024 to revisit the existing building and completely gut that redo the layout similar to this one, keeping it a pub tavern theme because we want two separate themes under the same brand we've created and redo it so that it makes it more manageable for those purposes. I mean, right now we've got five exit doors. We staff a person at each one of those exit doors that are not allowed to leave their space in addition to two people extra at the front door or floaters from a management perspective and an employee perspective. It's caused us to have a lot of employees and put a lot of eyes on every nook and cranny which we do. And obviously the objective would be to recreate that layout as well to make it more manageable for the same purposes of what we're doing here. So that's our goal in the next year and a half. Great. Thank you. Great. Thanks. Any further questions? If not, is there a, hold on, I'm going to get this up here for a second. I might just maybe. Oh, we have to close the hearing. Colin could introduce himself and we should also make sure to take public comment too. Oh, okay. Do we close it? Okay. Is there anyone here for public comment on this? Oh, there's. Yeah, so you can just raise your hand with the button at the bottom of the screen or press star nine on the phone and we can, we can bring you up to the front to speak. I can introduce myself in the meantime, if you'd like. Okay. Yep, Colin. So I'm Colin Hughes. As Chad mentioned, I've been working with him since him and Kara Fabry took over the spoke back in 2017 and I worked with the previous owners prior to that when I was in undergrad at UMass. I have been managing for them here and looking to take on the license of the new spot and expand management that way. And then in coordination with Rick here, we've been helping to co-run everything that we can and looking to take over both facilities as needed. And Colin has a tremendous background in this industry. So he's done an amazing job working for us, which of course is why we're putting him in the position. We're hoping to put him in. Great. Sounds good. Well, I don't see anyone here for public comment. Did you notice anyone? Nope. I'm not seeing any hands raised. Okay. In that case, do we close, is there a motion to close the hearing and then take a vote? Is there a motion to close the hearing? I'll move to close the hearing. Thanks, Doug. Is there a second? I'll second it. Thank you, Dylan. I'll take a vote, Doug. Hi. Dylan. Hi. And I vote aye. That is three to zero with two absent. The hearing is now closed. And is there any discussion among the commissioners about this? Yeah. Yeah. I'll just say I live right in the area of Spoke. And I think Colin and Rich have been kind of managing Spoke for a little while now. And I think they've done a great job. So I think they're good picks for these roles. And I definitely support both of these motions. Fantastic. So in that case, is there a motion to approve the license for the Spoke live? So I will make a motion to approve the license for the new license for the Spoke live, contingent upon the, I don't know what to say this now, contingent upon getting the appropriate zoning and other clearances necessary to fully open. Fantastic. Thank you, Dylan. I would maybe advise to revise that motion because I think that would hold the license commissions. Well, maybe just thinking about, because I think that would hold the license commissions approval until the zoning process is complete. If I can chime in just for a second. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and I was assistant town council for the town of Amherst, there was an issue came up about whether or not you needed to have a zoning permit before you get a liquor license approved and which came first, the chicken or the egg. If you approve the liquor license and they don't get the zoning relief, then the liquor license goes poof automatically. So, but we determined out when Alan Seawall was town council, we determined that it was okay to run them not dependent on each other because of the way that they actually function. So you could check with your own council on that if you want, but by approving this license doesn't mean that they can just open up and start serving liquor. They will still need to have approval from the ZBA and from the building commissioner and all that in order to actually functionally open. But in order to keep the license going through the process and getting it in through the ABCC approval portion, it would be better if it wasn't contingent. If that makes any sense to y'all? Yeah, I think that's perfectly fine. I was just, I was, you know, we sometimes will make things contingent just so that we make sure that, you know, the final steps get completed mostly. Yeah. And mostly it's around things that are our own process like, you know, sign off by the police chief, that kind of thing on other kinds of licenses. I think the only concern I would have is if the, like the hours of operation you have on your liquor license conflict with what ultimately gets approved by the zoning board. But again, I think the more restrictive is what's going to prevail in that circumstance if they don't match up. So again, I'm happy to alter the motion to be just an approval of the new liquor license. And I also just asked Chad if you could just put the hours and confirm the hours of the record you'd be seeking. Yeah, we're going to seek hours of operation on Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays only with occasionally on Sundays. Obviously, it's hard to determine what Sundays that those are going to be. So does it make more sense to just say Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, Steven, or you know what I'm saying? It's hard to predict the general Sundays. Certainly can't serve those. That doesn't include the hours, but I don't believe that would be a pocket license if it's not open every Sunday. Okay. So I would say Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. Yeah. What times? We will open to the public. Our plan is open to public about 7 p.m. Okay. So 7 to 1. I mean, we're obviously we're Amherst, Townwide is 1 1 a.m. that you know, that's normal. Okay. So Thursday through Sunday 1 and 7 p.m. to 1 a.m. Yeah. Yes. Correct. Okay. Thanks, Chad. So has the motion been made? Is there? Motion's been made. We didn't make this one. All right. Is there a second? Second. Thanks Dylan. Any further discussion about this? If not, we'll take a vote. Doug. Hi. Dylan. Hi. And I vote aye. That is three to zero with two absent. The new liquor license for the spoke live has been approved. Thank you. And yes. Thank you. I'll make a motion to for the approval of the change of manager to at the spoke to Colin Hughes. No. So Colin. Do we want to open a hearing on that one or? Oh yeah. Let's should we open the hearing on that one? Yeah. So okay. So this is this is we're all wrapped up with the first the first application here. Okay. And I guess we will move on to the other the change of manager for the other one. And okay. So is there a motion to open the hearing on the change in manager for the spoke not the spoke? Thank you. Doug. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Thanks Dylan. We'll take a vote. Doug. Hi. Dylan. Hi. And I vote aye. That is three to zero is two absent. The change of manager hearing is open. So now I thought we did both simultaneously in the last hearing. So sorry about that. Oh no, we actually did them. We did them separately. I think we did them separately. Anyway, so okay. So there's going to be a new manager and this is for the Collin is going to the spoke live. Correct. And Rich is going to be at the original spoke. Correct. Okay. So really no change because Rich has been with us with me personally and Kara longer than Colin has. He we used to own the the O's in Sunderland which was the former seven O's and and Rich had been with us for many years there and came with us over to Amherst when we opened the new space. So he's been with us a long time. He's managed for us a very long time. He co manages with Colin and really there's there's really no change other than to be honest with you just the name on the license. That's all there is to it. Okay. Great. Everyone had a chance to look over the change of manager application. Are there any questions? Concerns? No. Okay. Nobody here to testify before anybody would like to make public comment. You can just press the raise hand button or star nine on your phone. No. Okay. In that case, was there a motion to close the hearing? So moved. Thank you Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thank you Dylan. We'll take a vote. Dylan? Die. Doug? Die. And Ivo that is three to zero with two absent. The hearing is now closed. Is there any further discussion about this change of manager application? If not, is there a motion to approve the change of manager application? So moved. Thank you Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thank you Dylan. Any further discussion? Hearing none, we'll take a vote. Doug? Die. Dylan? Die. And I vote aye. That is three to zero with two absent. The change of manager application is approved. Thank you so much everyone for coming in and best of luck with your exciting adventures. Thank you. Can I make a comment to the board on future applications, not by us but by the general public? Uh huh. Other applicants, potential applicants? Of course. Of course, yeah. My law to speak is all I'm asking. Yes. All I would like to say is as time evolves and more people come before you as a fellow bar owner in this town, we really would love to see more places come into Amherst. And so I really want to encourage you guys as a licensed commission to really look at and encourage some new businesses to come on board. I think there's a great misconception in this community that if you don't build it, they won't come and that's not the reality. We are a student based population and there is 41,000 students in Amherst. There's a lot of people that work for the university that used to be a great flourishing community and I think that's going away. And I think as businesses want to come into this community, I as a person who owns the business that has alcohol based business, I love to see more places come in. So I know White Lion and some of these other businesses that are applying and opening are a great thing for our community. And I think as a licensed commission that, you know, I'd love to see you guys. We really encouraging of some of these businesses. Obviously, if you want to be strict, we certainly don't ever want underage drinking or any of that type of nonsense to come into this community. We want to be a respected community, but we definitely need to get more development going on in this town and encourage it to come into Amherst because it's really lacking and we need more of it. We need more spaces. So thank you guys for your time and I appreciate it. All right. Thank you. Thanks Chad. Bye guys. Miss Boudin, bye. Bye Colin and Rich. All right. Okay. So next up is, okay, we're on discussion topics. Actually, Steve, you know, did we could just continue that hearing for change of manager from last time? Did we need to open it again? Yeah, we may not have had to Sorry, Doug, actually, but yeah. Sorry. I just realized that I just, it was just so opening and reopening and continuing and it was a little, sorry about that. Anyway, safe and sorry, you can walk through a door that's already open, but you can't walk through one that's closed. So, I suppose. Yeah. Okay. So discussion topics, residential rental property by law. So Mandy, Joe, Henneke could not be with us here tonight. She has the CRC at the same time, but she sent along three scenarios. If we want to talk about them tonight, three potential scenarios for what we might happen. Dylan? Yeah, I just wanted to, I put it out there. I'm definitely talking about this later personally. Okay. I don't know if we want to wait for a couple more board members and when I can pay a little bit more attention to the meeting and less to the road. Right. So do we want to just put this off until next time? And or maybe I did, I did want to pass along. I did discuss this with Rob, the building commissioner. And he, you know, he said that there could be some other situations in which this would come up with two. One thing he mentioned was if there's a property that has a suspended rental permit and then ownership changes, that could be a time that there could be an appeal, but he thought that, you know, it'd be important to clarify that the board wouldn't necessarily be, you know, second guessing code decisions, but could make the, you know, decisions of, you know, the more the, the more the softer side of it, I guess, you know, how, how, you know, how do we advance the goals of the bylaw? How do we, you know, try to improve the quality of the rental stock and Amherst and, you know, if somebody, a landlord comes and wants to appeal his suspension and maybe has a plan as to how he can, how he or she can, you know, improve that. And, you know, the board, you know, feels that that might be practical, you know, situations like that, you know, we can have a human element and how the board can work with people to improve the property rather than looking, you know, kind of trying to, to, you know, second guess the cold, hard code decisions, which, you know, themselves, the tickets would be going to district court of therapy anyway, not the license commission. So this would really just be about the rental permit itself, which of course may be affected by code violations, but wouldn't directly be a consequence of, of, would directly be affected by them. But he said he would be happy to attend the next meeting if you would all like. We could discuss this further. Yes, I think that's a great idea. Why don't we maybe put this on hold until the next meeting. Think about the questions. Doug, did you have anything to say and then get Rob in on this? No, I think that's that's good. I think that being a fuller board, it's going to be better because this is kind of discussion we need to all have, I think, and delay. It's great to get the update. It's great to get some feedback from Mandy and the commissioner, on what they're thinking is about the process of appeal. So, you know, but I think it's, it's fine to wait if that's all right. Yeah, it's fine with me and Dylan won't be driving and maybe Gaston and Halle will be here. Yeah. So, okay, so we will do that on our next meeting, which is, is that May already? May 4th, yes. On May 4th, okay. We'll talk about it on May 4th. So, I guess that upcoming meetings and agendas May 4th. Yes, so. Presidential rental property by law. Yes, and we will invite Rob. Okay. And we also do have two applications coming through the pipeline. We have White Lion did secure and that is a brewery that'll be going in the bottom floor of the former high horse and they will be potentially, or they'll be applying, they do have, they have secured a farmer brewery permit from the state and that enables them to apply for a pouring license, which is similar to what Amherst Farm Winery used to have. If you're a farmer brewery or farmer winery, you can apply for a pouring license to serve only your own products on site. And that's something that is approved by the town. Well, the farm brewery license is approved by the state, but that is not, does not come out of the liquor license quota. And we also do have a change of manager for the town Cherry Hill Golf Course. Okay. I believe the, it's looking like the White Lion will probably not be able to be noticed for the 4th, but probably the 20th, but I would expect the change of manager to be next meeting. Okay, great. And speaking of changing managers, what about that Garcia's? Didn't somebody come in about Garcia's? Yes. Garcia's, I have not heard anything. I will follow up with them again. Okay. That would be all right. Yeah, done. If I may, I'm just sort of curious talking about the White Lion. Are they looking to serve food as part of that? They are. I think it'll be kind of a pub style thing. They do have a kitchen. Okay. Just curious mostly, but you know. And being a farmer brewery, they will be brewing on site. I believe they have another brewery in Springfield, but they will be doing some brewing in Amherst as well. Yeah, I don't know about you guys. I've been to their spot in Springfield. It's pretty nice. They've got, they do food there. The food was good. So, hoping they'll do that up here too, but I guess we'll see once they apply. Great. Okay. Anything else? Oh, topics not reasonably anticipated, 48 hours prior to the meeting. Any topics about anything? I have none. No. Dylan or Doug? I have nothing. Good. No. Okay. I guess Garcia's was my topic. Okay. All right. So if that's done, then is there a motion to adjourn? So move. Thanks, Doug. Is there a second? Second that. Okay. Thank you, Dylan. We'll take a vote. Doug. Hi. Dylan. Hi. And I vote aye. That is three to zero with two absent. We're adjourned at 543 p.m. Thanks everybody. Thanks, Steve. See you all on in May. See you in May. See you in May. Thank you. Bye.