 Thank you. I have got a hard drive somewhere, so it's just a case of spending a bit of time cleaning up my computer. All right, we're recording. Cool. So we're here today. Because I'm going to mute anyone that is muted. Just why can't anymore. I don't have the power. I gave it to you. Can you please mute yourself? You're not speaking just to avoid background noise. Perfect. So the reason we're here is because Terrell and Claudia, do you want to give yourself a give a wave? Terrell and Claudia, those who don't know you, who are at campus, lay in France have been dreaming and scheming about creating camp events for children. And it's nice to see a child in parents playing with something that they probably shouldn't be. Yeah, events for kids at camps. And I thought it would be nice if some of the camp coordinators who have done so could share their learnings. And I know that I didn't formally ask you, Claudia, but I'm guessing that you have children coming to your events as well. So maybe, yeah. So maybe if there's time, if Rose doesn't come and you'd be happy to, it would be great to hear some of your learnings from kids events that you've done as well. But we'll kick off with Sylvia, who did an event with children at Campo Di Plano in the summer. And yeah, I'll pass the baton to you, Sylvia, to share how it went, what you did. Hello. So yes, I'm at Campo Di Plano. So we are in, yeah, maybe you know about it already, we're in the South of Spain. And last summer in July we decided to organize a summer camp for kids. It all started because a family of Alfonso, who's the owner of the land, has some kids that were here during the quarantine, basically. And they really enjoyed being on the farm and doing things on the farm and they had some friends over. So basically through them we decided that it would be nice to just have more kids coming and organize something actually arranged and have activities. So we were quite some people. It was me and Bailey from the side of Campo Di Plano. Then it was Yanik and Haku from the side of the Regeneration Academy, which is another project on the farm. And then two people from the family of Alfonso that were mainly taking care of the sleeping and accommodation of the kids and the food and all those, yes, sorry. I'm going to speak a little bit slower. So mainly those two people were focused on the side of the accommodation. The kids were sleeping in tents. We have battle tents and there were three or four kids with tents. And the food was being cooked by an external person that we paid for the, it was a 10 days activity. So the food was being prepared by an external person that we were paying for the time of course, the camp. And let me see. I have some pictures I want to share with you. So I'm just going to talk a bit about the organization, I guess, and the activities that we organized. So these are the tents, maybe you can see. My computer is a bit low. Give it a second. Well, you could probably still see it. These are the tents where the kids were sleeping. And we were starting every day around nine with kind of a check-in with the kids. It was kids from nine to 14 years old. We had 20 kids mainly from Madrid, so from the city. And that was also very interesting to see what happens to kids from the city when they're in the countryside. And yeah, so we were starting the day around nine with basically a check-in in which we're asking the kids to say three words that would describe thoughts that they had in mind on how they felt. And then we would just explain the activities of the day. And as we were many people, it would have been really intense to be constantly involved in the whole program. So there were always two people in each activity. And then the rest could either help as site support, I don't know, bring in snacks at the time of having snacks or making sure that all the materials for the next workshop were ready and things like that. Plus we had two extra hands from two volunteers, 18 years old, that helped us a lot with basically taking care that all the more practical things were ready whenever they needed to be ready. And entertaining the kids in the moments in which we were busy preparing something else and we couldn't be there. These are the tents. They were sleeping outside. We were having a snack in the middle of the morning, then lunch, and then the break after lunch. We were either watching a movie or they would play outside always with a person with them. And then in the afternoon we had more activities. And sometimes we organized also evening games that were a lot of fun. So different activities we did. For example, we started with and on each day, this is the morning check-in. On each day we would have a specific theme. So we had the day of biodiversity, the day of water, the day of soil. So kind of also try and give them a bit of a, yeah, kind of a line that we were following throughout the day and looking, trying to focus also on what they learned during the day related to that topic. So it was a mix of sometimes a bit more educational activities and more theoretical, let's say, and more just games and fun things. We were trying to keep a balance, maybe 50-50. This was on the last day where we organized a theater. So the idea was that they would divide it in groups. They would represent something that happened throughout the week and bringing some learning, but also some funny things tried to introduce a crazy element in the story so that it was also going to be fun for them. So we had, for example, a beekeeping workshop where a local expert that works with the regenerative honey came to the farm and he showed us the, I'm sorry, how do you say, the beehives. And this was a very incredibly successful experience. The kids that were indeed at the beginning were distracted coming from being in school, wanting to just be outside and do their own thing. If you wanted to have them sitting somewhere listening to you, it was very difficult. And this was a moment which actually had to be calm around bees. You have to wear protections and be quiet and everything. And it really worked nicely and they were all really amazed and trying the honey directly from the beehive. And it was really nice to see them getting really close to something that they were super scared about at the beginning. The most difficult target group, according to me, is the 13-year-old girls because they're very much into TikToks and very just, they don't get surprised about anything. So that was the hardest to get them involved in what we were doing. For example, one day we went to work in the vegetable garden. So we were doing some harvest, we did a game in which they had to recognize the vegetables that we had there. And they knew very little about how vegetables look like. And they could try some of them and they were, one girl specifically was just trying some lettuce and being like, this really tastes really strong. And I was like, yeah, isn't it nice? It really has a nice taste. And she was like, no, actually, I don't like it. It tastes too much. I like the one from the supermarket that you're really confronted with a different reality. But we could really see that throughout the 10 days they were becoming much more comfortable in this new environment and just also finding their own ways to fill up gaps in time in which nothing is really happening, maybe after lunch or finding gains to do. So this was the beekeeping activity. Then as I said, this was the theater, the morning check-ins. Then we did a day dedicated to water. And we talked about rainwater harvesting. So we first did a quiz in which they had to guess how much water we used in our household for, I don't know, showers or flushing the toilet or doing the dishes. And being a quiz, they were also really involved in it. And then the idea was that we built these little houses and they had to build the best rainwater harvesting system. So again, it was also always kind of putting a bit of challenge in it and seeing which teams, which team can collect the most water, which team answers the most questions in the right way. And I feel like that really also gets them engaged. This is a gully on the farm and we went there to look at erosion, basically. So we wanted to show them how erosion looks like. And here you can see in the picture, you don't really see, but you can see different types of soils of amazingly different colors. So we just had them work around and look for stones, also just being outside and looking at the environment and seeing what attracts them. And then they had to dig some erosion control dams and little things to prevent erosion. And again, then we threw some water on it to see which was working the best. And this was also quite fun. Here we were doing the measurement of how much water is flowing through them and how much water is actually staying in there. This is again the theater of the last day. And yeah, let me think if I have anything else. Yeah, then for example, we, because we have the ponds, then one day we went swimming in the ponds and the idea was that they could look for animals there and see what they could find. They found a snake, they found frogs, and at first they were all a bit disgusted to jump in the pond. It's very muddy and everything. And then everybody was playing with algae and mud and just being okay, being there. And then we went there again at night after having a fire outside and they were making jokes and telling jokes. And then we went back to the ponds at night with the hand torches to look again at nightlife in the ponds. And that was also really nice. Yeah, then the day in the garden and then we cooked. We did, we organized a restaurant for all the people on the farm. So we made fresh pasta with the grains from the farm. We made pizza, we made salad and things with vegetables harvested from the garden. And also there it's a lot about being organized in small groups. So we actually were many people involved in everybody doing one different thing with the kids. And then we served dinner to everybody on the farm. They were really proud about what they made. And yeah, this one then, yeah, riding horses, playing with the arch and bow and arrow. We did a kind of a treasure hunt. They had to go throughout the farm and they had different things that had to solve, like make a TikTok. So we tried to make it a bit more in line with what they usually do, make a TikTok in the garden with the vegetables or go and shoot with the bow and arrow to the sign from view or answer some questions about the learnings of the week. That was the activity of the last day. They were just running around in groups throughout the whole farm and trying to solve their tests. And yeah, in the end we had winners and blah, blah, blah. So this is basically it. I don't know if there's specific questions more related about logistics or other things. Thank you. I'd like to ask where the kids came from. Did they pay? What kind of level did they pay? What the age group was? Yeah, so it was mainly kids from Madrid. That's, as I said, it's because we kind of had a connection already from kids of the family of the landowner. So it was friends of them and then friends of friends. So that was basically the way it was promoted from 9 to 14 years old. And they paid 450 euros. It was 450 euros for the 10 days. And that also included insurance. So we got an insurance for accidents and everything. What was the other question? Oh, I think you've covered it very well. Thank you. Where they came from, who they were, what they pay. Yes, yeah. There's another one here in the chat from Seb. How did the children get to camp? If you mean physically, they took a train, most of them. And then we picked them up at a train station. Some other kids came with their parents that drove them here. What did you learn from your first camp? What do you plan on improving? Improving many things, but also learning that you just have to be very flexible in a way. It helped a lot that, as I said, we were many people. So that whenever I was busy with the activity, we had organized and we were two people running the activity. There was always somebody else that was kind of doing their own thing, but ready to jump in in the moment of need of, I don't know, we don't have any water, drinking water, and we are in the fields or we need more snacks because the kids are really hungry or things like that. So that's really, sorry. Just to quantify that a bit more, how many children were there in Turtle? Twenty. And we were one, two, three, four people organizing and running activities, and then two extra people that were mainly focusing on the accommodation of food. Okay, thank you. Any specific insurance? As I said, we got an insurance and yeah, you basically, I guess, that's how it works all over the world. You say for how many people you need the insurance, what age they are, for how many days, if it's day and night or on the day. And so depending on that, the prices change. Can I ask whether it was primarily a kind of educational awareness raising event or was there any element of fundraising for use of money at the camp? Basically, the money we received was pleaded up amongst, as I said, the Regeneration Academy, which was the other two people that were working with us, and then camp. And the money that went to camp went back into paying my salary and paying activities at camp. And the same for the Regeneration Academy. So it basically was covering costs and then having a bit of extra to pay for activities. Would you do it again? That's the question we asked each other every day at the end of the day when we were absolutely destroyed. But we said once a year, yes. Because it was very intense. The kids can drive you crazy sometimes. You have 20 kids in the same room screaming, everybody talking about different thing, everybody wanting to do something different. But it was also a lot of fun. And yeah, for me personally, it was really nice to see what I was saying to basically how they got acquainted with the countryside and how they kind of changed their attitude towards things around them and just got a bit wilder. It was nice to see. So we said, yeah, once a year, we can do it. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of effort. It's a lot of being focused that nothing happens. They're all good and everything. Sylvia, how do you think it would work with like half of the number, like eight to 10 kids? I mean, we're thinking about in Camp Versailles, I don't think we can handle 20 kids, at least not for another couple of years. But we were thinking of maybe doing smaller program week to 10 days, but more like for eight to 10 kids with very similar, in fact, the things we were thinking of are right in line with what you guys did and the activities and the mixing of education with fun. But I was just curious what you might think of having a smaller group. Yeah, I think it could definitely work. It's easier for you indeed. We were actually thinking at the beginning to have just 15 kids, but we got more requests. And then one by one was like, okay, 16 is okay, 17 is okay, again, then in the end it was 20. And it worked out, okay, we were a bit worried at the beginning to be able to manage so many kids, also specifically in activities like the cooking, in which we had tons of different things to do. And when you have a big group, how space-wise it's also difficult. So I think 10 kids would be good. In terms of covering the costs, then maybe you have a bit more trouble when you have less kids, basically. But I think activities-wise, it can be really nice. And it was one week or 10 days, did you say? Yeah, 10 days. There's a question from Seb about how you marketed the camp to the parents. What was it called? Yeah, indeed, that was something we talked about a lot. And in the end, we just called it summer camp. And in the description, we basically put that it was a mix of educational and being in nature, and basically, yeah, mainly kind of like for kids, for being in nature and learning about it. So not only playing games, but also this more educational side and being on a farm also. That was the plus. So you're actually outside in nature, in a place that you're not used to. Yeah. I don't know if you're interested, I can share with you, for example, the flyer we had. I don't know if there's any other resource. And we did it in English as well. That was the thing. So it was all Spanish kids. But yeah, we decided to do it in English. And also that was the extra learning for them. Some kids were complaining about it a lot, also because all of us that were actually giving activities speak Spanish. Sometimes it was a bit awkward to try and speak English, and we're like, just say it in Spanish. But yeah, so we organized this, otherwise this extra layer of learning. Any other questions? Yeah, kids summer camp connecting with nature could be a title. Yeah, I'm, I think it definitely can be. Of course, it depends. I think it depends on who are the the parents directly yourself to. Yeah. If you have, as we had like some entry points, we kind of knew which kind of people were talking with. So if you know that they're interesting in its connection with nature, perfect. If they're more into the horseback riding and archery, then maybe find some other way of marketing. Engaging in. Right. Can I ask a couple of questions, Sylvia? Yeah, too. One about the logistics of, I think you mentioned it, but I didn't quite get it, where they were staying and what they needed in terms of facilities to stay in and bathrooms and showers, all that sort of stuff as well. And then the other was just, yeah, I suppose the age group that you chose, like nine to 12, just wondering, would you have considered doing it with younger kids or what other issues would come up then around slightly younger kids? Yes. So the accommodation, they were staying in tents, but they were next to a house. So actually, all of the use of the kitchen, toilets, showers, everything, it was in the house. So basically the tents were just for sleeping. And then for the age, it was nine to 14. And we actually thought it was a bit too much of an age gap. Especially the nine-year-old kids, they were mainly like the sister or the brother of an older kid in the group. But yeah, they were a bit on a different level, both on what they wanted to do, what they liked or what they knew about things and the way of engaging. So yeah, I would say maybe 10, 11, 10 to 14. It was really, I feel like the nine-year-olds were the biggest gap that you could see. And maybe sometimes finding activities that can work with such a broad range, you have either the 14-year-old getting bored or the nine-year-old not understanding what's going on. But yeah, maybe 10 to 14. And maybe also sometimes you can just sleep the month and just add different activities for different age groups. Would you be able to share the flyer that you used and also do you have a schedule written down for the activities that you did? Yeah, I think it's going to be complicated. Now my computer is really slow and I see that if I try to open the drive everything's going to collapse. But I can just say that to me or Ingo and then we can pass it on. Yeah, and I think the schedule, it's a really nice tool that we use because we try to make it extremely detailed. Also with the names of who is responsible exactly for each activity. So yeah, I think that was a nice, then of course, as I said, things change when you adapt. But having and knowing that there's these people that's going to be doing this from this time to this time, that helps a lot. So yeah, I will send it to you Ashley and then you can share it with the rest. Are there any other questions? Who here is thinking about organising kids events at their camps? I mean, I'm guessing that's why you're all here. Are there any specific questions that you have that you'd like to ask other people in the group or just have more of an open discussion about what you're thinking and planning and the vague ideas that you have formed already about how it could work for you? I think it would be interesting to hear. In the Gambia the level of income is quite low and so we would be probably aiming and we do intend to run such camps. We would probably be aiming for the international school and where parents can probably afford it. But we would mix that in with kids from a local area and the mixing of kids from different backgrounds we have found in the summer camps we've had. We've run already to be very interesting. We've run a climate change camp. We've run a kind of entrepreneur type camp for young, slightly older adolescents. And we're very fortunate in having a number of lodges close to the sea so that we can use the accommodation authority there without having to hire the accommodation charge. And I think having sufficient people is one of the really important things. It's a real struggle. I actually sympathise with Campo and Altiplano because I know just how much hard work it is. Well done. I'll just type in here. Sorry, just on the subject of bringing people from the local community into these things because sometimes yeah if you're in Gambia or like me in South Africa there's quite a large disparity between people's income. And I think for us especially, and I'm sure it's the same for you, Sandele curetry, it's important to have the lower income groups of children attending these events as well. And the way we've kind of done it in the past is by having sponsorship from municipalities, local municipalities, and just directly contacting them saying we've got this event going on. We think it's beneficial to so many people in your community. Would you like to sponsor a child to come to our event? And through that they'll be able to have this incredible educational experience of how to restore the land. And that's one way we've been doing it, and also sending out a similar kind of concept note to these from as we would to the municipalities to also