 What they gon' do with me now? I'm still a troke of the town All the assistants, I'm hoakin' them down Reach for the smile And let them know who we got interviewed in today It's P-O-P-E, can nobody do it better than Kelda Pope? It was good Oh wow, what an intro Hey Kel So, we are gonna start this off to honor Black History Month and 50 years of hip hop with a little hip hop trivia Alright, you ready? Alright, cool, cool Alright, name this rapper from Compton who was at one time signed to G-Unit Records The game Mm-hmm Which dynamic female rap duo shared names with seasons that you could find in every kitchen? So and Pepper Mm-hmm Whose debut album was Ematic? Nas In 1994, Biggie Smalls married which R&B artist? St. Evans Which artist was the first to go viral on YouTube? Soldier Boy He's the first to do everything According to him In 2017 of July, hip hop surpassed which genre of music to be the most listened to in the U.S. Is it rock? Yeah, it is rock and roll The album Beware of Dog was released by which artist? Snoop Dogg No it wasn't It wasn't Snoop Dogg? Try again You said Beware of Dog? Mm-hmm DMX Nope No Okay Try again Bawa? Yeah, it was Bawa I forgot It was Bawa Let's put some respect on Bawa then Nothing of Bawa? I think of the durags now Because he's a fake Nah, he is the face on a durag I've been seeing him in a beauty spa But let's not forget Little Bawa I just don't know He's crazy Yeah, he had me in a chokehold During my early childhood years The album Stankonia was released by which hip hop? That's a big hip group Outcast? Yeah, wow Okay, yeah Yeah, I fuck with 18,000 Thanks Which rapper is named after the head of a Catholic church And has amassed over one million total views on YouTube? Head of the Catholic church? Mm-hmm You don't know that one? Nah, you might tell me that one It's crazy because it's you But, okay I was thinking about I was about to say a pope too But Okay, you got all of the right Except for the one that was about you That was about me for real? Yeah It was But then you wasn't picking up What I was putting down So that's cool Let's get right into it though Let's talk about it Where are you from? I'm from Brownsville, Brooklyn Born and raised I'm the first American born out of my family Everybody's from Georgetown, Guyana Mm-hmm Caribbean country next to Brazil Mm-hmm And Venezuela Mm-hmm And since South America y'all Because I know a lot of people They don't really know that Guyana is a part of South America Even though it is considered a Caribbean country So how is that though Being a first born American In your family I would say it was a lot of pressure growing up Because it's like It was like I was the first to do everything You know what I'm saying? I was the first to play football Because I used to play football Mm-hmm First to Be valedictorian in my family Oh, that's lit First to pass up on college And stuff like that Mm-hmm First to do music Because especially like music Nobody really believed in me Yeah Especially coming from a Caribbean household And stuff like that Nobody actually pursued music It was just work, work, work, work, work Right And college and stuff like that Mm-hmm So it was pressure And that's what I was going to ask you about too Because I know that Especially the children of Immigrants when they're first generation There is a lot of pressure to Go into a field that Their parents determine Or are deemed to be more like Lucrative or successful Yeah Like getting into being a doctor Or a lawyer Whatever like that So how was that Wanting to be How long did you know That you wanted to make music Since a kid Like I wouldn't even say Since it's like I had a lesson Like very, very young Okay Because I grew up around it Like my parents is both rosters Mm-hmm So I grew up around Like a lot of like Reggae and culture music Mm-hmm Like a lot of sizzler, Garnet soap, Petitage Um Benny man Mm-hmm Okay Now is that the kind of music That you were making back then? Or No, that's the type of music I was dancing to though Okay, you was dancing to it so Growing up I used to do A lot of like You know what they call A drill dancing now We used to call Don't call it that Yeah, it was like Clubs like sea breeze And the jumble Oh yeah, I remember those Some day raves And all of that Yeah Wait, hold on So People consider Shot to Dance And to be getting The same as getting 30 I mean When we doing this And we you know Cause I feel like It's a clear difference If you feel like It's the same thing Please You need a culture check Not you No Just to the people out there Who thinks so Because I think that there's a clear You know With dancing there are Always like Loop poles And they always intertwine Like some people Come compare getting 30 To bogeying too Yeah Yeah So Little segue But So at what point Did you know That you wanted to Start making like Hip hop Rap music Always Cause like Even when I was Playing football I was making music On top of that One of my best friends In high school Was His brother was a rapper Like Treyab I don't know if you know Treyab Of course I know Treyab So his little brother Was my best friend In high school So from there That just motivated me Even more Like Y'all can do this music Shit Okay Also like I had scholars Such a good college And stuff But it just I just fell out Of love with football And just fell in love With music Cause I had Sean Price Living in my Building also So I used to Hang out with him In summer And I had a shorty there You know what I'm saying And Jav was Jav was just like Yo I'm trying to make music I was so Distracted by the shorty You know what I'm saying And then the following summer Me and Jav linked up Back again And I went to B&H And I bought a whole Recording set And I recorded that Whole entire summer Not you letting One of the ladies Holt the progress Nah She was really a distraction Like Yeah But that's also something That comes with age Cause at the time You probably didn't realize How much of a distraction She probably was Now You can focus up So What did like Those first Those early years Of you making music Look like Was it a lot of trial And error Did you automatically know Yeah a lot of trial And error A lot of like I don't know Cause it was a lot of trial And error But it was It was needed though You know what I'm saying Like it was needed I needed to meet Certain people to know like Alright not to mess What to look out for In the future You know what I'm saying Okay I needed to get played A few times by Certain people You know what I'm saying To know like Alright This ain't gonna happen Again or whatever So what was something Like or one experience That you had That kind of like shaped The way that you Look at the industry Like one of those moments That you feel like We was working with an Engineer At the studio What was the studio We was working at Was it Flux Studio No We started working At a studio In a city called Funkadelic Right Then we went to this Other studio On like Avenue A And 1st Street In Manhattan Okay I'm not even gonna Say homie name But we was working With this engineer And every You know he was Going to the studio Consistently All the time Spending money You know crazy Recording Recording Recording And he's saying You know He's mixing And mastering And went to A different studio Red Room Studio In Park Slope Which is not open no more You know I Linked over my homie Matic Okay And Matic told me like Yo what is this Like you say you recorded At a professional studio Sounded like you were Recording in your house This shit don't sound good And I'm like What you mean don't sound good Like this shit sounds Great to me He's like Nah man this Ain't even mixed This is horrible So you took out For your paper Yeah And after that I was like Yo it's a dog Right Yeah Dang I feel like that Probably happened I wonder I don't know Like I wonder if That still happens now I feel like One thing is that People are very open With their experiences now And I don't know If there are engineers That would be able to Get away with doing that These days I mean like If you now getting It's like You now getting in You know what I'm saying Cause the thing is Like when you're younger It's easy to get It's easy like To be manipulated And stuff like that So And especially if you Don't really know About the music business And stuff like that Cause it's really a business You know what I'm saying Like forget all the music And all that It's really a business At the end of the day So if you don't know Like your business And what's going on Like you'll get played All the time Cause even people Who in the industry now Who's been in the music Business They'll come out later On and be like Yo I signed a band Contract Oh yeah I'm a very Fundamental as Negan I graduated I be reading shit Like crazy You know what I'm saying You ain't gonna play me You know what I'm saying Right and I think It's also good That you're tuned Into the business side also Because there's so much more To it than just Making music As much as you know As an artist You wanna focus on your craft You do also have to Make sure That people not trying To get over on you While you're making these deals That's why like I'm standing the penit You know that was My whole Mode Like my whole Thing from the jump Standing the penit Always Yeah always Like I don't care What type of deal it is Cause it's like This is me right here This is something that I own You know what I'm saying As a black man I'm owning something Of my own You know my masters And everything And I'm recouping Like everything that I'm putting out I'm recouping back If it's not now In a couple of months Or in a couple of years I'm saying And I feel like Why should I give away Something that's Opening so many doors For me And you know like Helping my family Right off of this music stuff You know what I'm saying Like Oh wow that's really cool I'm able to travel the world Off of this music stuff You know what I'm saying Like I'm able to help my friends And stuff like that You know what I'm saying So Why should I give it away I understand what you're saying Completely I think that if you Have the means to do it And if it's working for you You know If it's not broken I'll fix it But I do know that Also as an independent artist That doesn't have Like as many means Or isn't seeing Those results right away Sometimes Rome wasn't built in a day You know what I'm saying Right It takes time I've seen People Like You know It's people that Oh I almost gave up Bro I never thought about giving up Like this is Anytime I put Like my mind to something That's what it is You know what I'm saying I'm going to type Stand on it Type of negative You know what I'm saying So what motivates you If you never Have that feeling Like what is it That keeps you going Me Like just me Going to Africa With my friend February I'm going to Africa In May For literally Three weeks A full three weeks Okay And I'm like Damn I always thought About going to Africa Now I'm really about To go to Africa Where you going I'm going to I'm going to South Africa West Africa And East Africa I'm going Okay You want to be on an African tour Yeah And I'm I'm flying my videographer Out there You're going to be about To bring back some content You know for the people Okay yeah That's what I was going to ask So what are your plans For while you're out there You're performing You're making videos I'm going to work with Some African artists out there I don't know Who have been Producing for me For the past two years You're from Johannesburg We're about to link up For the first time And you know Okay International collabs We hear for it That's really really dope So talk to me About like Because first of all That's really big That you're saying That you're about to Be an African artist Is this something That you saw for yourself Like Nah Because it's like As being As an independent artist I feel like You can only go As far as like You want to go You know what I'm saying Because like last year I went to Antigua For the first time ever I went through times actually I love Antigua I love it there The first time I went I didn't know a soul Because I'm an Anti-social type of nigga You know what I'm saying Really That's interesting The only person That you really see me Hanging with You know what I'm saying And if you around me It's just like temporary Because I like my own space I like being by myself Like shopping by myself Like traveling by myself Like going to the movies by myself Like doing a lot of shit by myself So for you to be around me I really gotta fuck with you You know what I'm saying So I went to Antigua For the first time ever And um I linked over some people And within the first day I linked over them people I was like yeah These people were going to be around me And they got me On to the radio station Like maybe I saw that Yeah I saw that I was like whoa Yeah so What you gonna talk about it I feel like my energy Is just like Is good enough To really get me To where I want to be at You know what I'm saying I don't need Anybody else like So what I was saying though Before was like Is this something that you saw In the plan But it seems like If that's always how Your energy was Then you Had to have known That you were destined to do Yeah of course I didn't know I was gonna Like be where I'm at Now even be bigger And I've been notice You know what I'm saying That's why I passed Upon them scholarships To play football You know cause I like Music was always That means you have I had Sean Price Living in my building He's the one who gave me My rap name Yeah I'm saying please Hold on cause I definitely Knew like you Used to call yourself Like killer cab Killer cab Then I went from Kev dollars and stuff like that Yeah Please don't need Positive energy It's Pope Kev the Pope I'm saying I used to Roll with Troyeev And stuff like that I used to write for A couple people For a song Oh really I was around the right People you know For me to have the like Level of confidence That I have now I'm like yo Ain't nobody stopping me Like you could be Whatever you want to be Right so With all of the people That you're affiliated with And all the things That you've done so far Do you feel like Where you are And your career right now Measures up to What you've done Yeah Yeah Because everything Is God's plan Like you know Even if I got a plan God got a bigger plan Right Because if it doesn't happen Now It ain't gonna happen It's not gonna happen On your time man And I'm so happy That Like I'm happy That you said that Because I don't feel like Enough people Really understand That concept Like Things don't always It would come with Growth though You know what I'm saying Like how you was Boiled up And like Cause I'm from Bronzeville I try to get away From Bronzeville As much as I can That's why I travel So much Cause like I'm selling weed too now Allegedly Allegedly So it's like I ain't saying no difference Bro like I used to look up to you Now you're looking up to me Like bro like What's going on here You know what I'm saying Right So when Let's say like You're super super big Are you moving out of New York Yeah I'm I'm pretty much like Back at Coastal New York L.A. Yeah I knew So you would move there Permanently To L.A. Yeah To L.A. by Coastal Um Honestly I would move to Connecticut So why Because It's 50 minutes from New York Out the way Out the way Um Would you I feel like L.A. is just like New York With palm trees And it's a Biggest state Yeah That's what it is I actually don't like The New York to L.A. pipeline Just based on Recent More recent events I What do you feel like Cause rappers Yeah Make it out of L.A. that often I mean Me and my boy Yeah Let's make it out I feel like It's just the energy I feel like No I'm not gonna work No I'm knocking on it Real talk I feel like I'm not a flashy nigga I'm saying I'm fly as fuck But I'm not a flashy nigga I'm a humble dude You know what I'm saying I know who to Who to be around I know You know my Stomp I know who to be at You know I've been to L.A. Enough Like in 2020 You know what I'm saying Like Last year I've been to L.A. Like you know So I know You know the laid land Yeah So do you think That a lot of times Like when situations Like that unfold Is by way of People not being aware Of their surroundings Yeah And I feel like People began too comfortable You know what I'm saying Like Yeah you may be This type of person But you're not from them Bro like You know what I'm saying You may be around These type of niggas But you're not from them Right You're not protection From these people But these niggas Can still backdoor you Because you're not from them You know what I'm saying Like you really got to remember You're not from them Right And you said something Also you said Like you're Fly between Out of flashy niggas Yeah Where do you think Is the balance Because I think that In the hip hop community Especially like Being flashy To change the clothes All of that Is very like Sensationalized I'm not a Jury type of niggas Because like I feel like Females don't look a jury Niggas look a jury Niggas want to rob you When they see you got Jury in That's the fact I'm not a law Females don't look at Oh he dressed nice So he look good He got a nice smile And the thing that like What I know about females Like once you get A girl to make Our contact with you Then she took Once you look She took my I completely disagree That's how females bag Dudes I completely disagree Once they make That our contact with you I completely disagree I'm very big on our contact And I don't feel like I use it as a device To bag niggas That's one Two When it comes to The jury I'm not a law I look at a chain I don't like When it's like A bunch of them I feel like that's excessive But I don't look at A nice little Nice little piece So you So a niggas with jury You think he got money Oh no I definitely Niggas be wearing A niggas jury You never know When you see it But I'm saying When you see a niggas jury I feel like It's a little curiosity Comes to my mind Like who is this Sometimes you could tell Like by the piece That they trying to be too flashy I don't like niggas That's too flashy But I feel like with me Like when it comes to women I'm more I'm a little more Looking at like How can you inspire me You know what I'm saying I don't look at like Cause Oh man Alright I hear you But like I really hate when people Try to make it seem Like a parent Isn't it like In order for you to No real time Cause Keep it on honey with you Like I like dating older women Okay You know what I'm saying Like cougar old Or like just older Cougar Nils You know what I'm saying Why Not saying it wrong But like why What about it That's just How we grew up on Like from even high school I was dating older women I was 16 Dan somebody I was like 23 Yeah that's not okay But I hear you So I feel like I'm sorry But I feel like We always kind of like Gloss over Like when men talk About like How young they were Like Fucking with women Grown women I think that's kind of messed up Because If it was the other way Cause It would still be fucked up I don't think so Because I see a lot of Younger women Dating older guys And women Praise that type of shit No Depending on the type Of women that you're Talking to That's praise I personally feel Like when you're talking to a 16-year-old Is not talking to her For anything other than Manipulate That's just straight out Cause you Cause you just said 16 You said 16 I'm going based on what you Said You said 16 And a woman was 23 But look at it like this Right For example A freshman coming into High school They in a senior god That's like 18 You don't think that's Kind of like Messed up With a female Like I'm saying Like as you When you're younger It's easy to manipulate Like I was saying That's literally what I said I feel like it's For manipulation I was condoning that I was condoning that Cause you didn't know any better But I But I say that to say I feel like When it comes to men Dating older women It's always kind of like Yeah, I've been doing this Since I was young Like when I was 16 I was messing With a woman who was X, Y, and Z And it's like Okay, you might have Been doing that But that doesn't make it Okay Like that's still Very much It's not okay But this should be I know Before we was born You know what I'm saying? Listen, I know Our past was even worse Oh, I know So, you know I definitely know Cause shit Don't get me started Cause I know Even in my family It's a whole lot A whole lot of Back then But I think that I just say it to say That you know There are people who are Watching That may be like Oh, yeah Well, maybe it's okay That I'm 16 The people that's Watching that's Going against it Those are probably The same people Who don't shit Pass nobody nowadays Cause they go I'm against it And those be the same People that be doing You know what I'm saying? I don't put Shit past nobody Shots fired For real? I am definitely Talking against it What you trying to say? No, let me stop Okay Alright, I hear you So We're going to change It up a little bit We are celebrating 50 years of hip hop Like I said There's been So many big moments Especially with the Grammys that just Passed They honored Old What are like Some of like Your top Or even like One of your top Like hip hop moments That comes to mind Mmm That's a few Mmm-hmm That's a few Um I'm a big Kanye Fan Like Dahor Kanye fan Mmm-hmm So um Anything that Kanye does I feel like That's just History It's just Historical It's just guys Just like I feel I'm with him I'm with him I feel like I feel like Once I get a big enough platform And where my name is You know Where it needs to be at I'm on the same shit On the same shit he on Hell yeah Where Wait across the board Like the way he handles His relationships Because What he's saying is right We're the real Jews We're God's You know Children We're real Hebrews You know We're like All of that is real stuff Mmm-hmm I'm saying They're not real Jews Mmm-hmm I'm saying Like What I'm saying Like What I'm saying Might offend people Whatever But bro We gotta hit us You know what I'm saying Like This need to be heard This need to be said Yeah And I feel like A lot of rappers Ain't saying this Because they're attached To those people And they In contracts With those people And they don't want to lose it I'm independent I don't got nothing You know I don't got nothing With those people And the reason they're quiet Is because People want to be As politically correct As possible They're coming out the next day And apologizing So while you even said it In the first place You're not standing up That's what they did to Um What's it called Who was it? Kyrie They did it to a lot of people And he I don't even think That he really did too much And they really like That's why That's why I'm not even mad That he left the next Like You know what I'm saying Because I feel like They disrespected him Mmm-hmm He didn't even really Say enough about the movie He just retweeted it Are you a person that separates An artist from their work They're an artist From their personal life? It depends Because if you talking about R. Kelly then Nah I'm actually Like I don't want to sound Like the wrong way When I say I'm surprised That you say that But I am surprised That you say that Because a lot of people Still be broadening For Mr. Kelly Um I'm not one of them I'm not I'm not with that I'm not one of them I won't lie Sometimes I have to catch myself Because I forget Like when the song come on I'm not with that A step in the name of love I might forget But then I get myself together Real quick Because me I'm big on like If we not messing with somebody I'm not messing with them Like for example You know I think it was Oh matter of fact Remember when When us black people Was going against Gucci The brand? Yeah Yeah for the monkey The monkey shirt And us black people Still wearing Gucci I'm one of those people Who ain't wearing Gucci I'm saying You see this whole Balenciaga thing Yep I ain't wearing Balenciaga Okay Like all this whole Remember when Doja Cat Said something like that Doja Cat Doja Cat Was one of my favorite artists At the time What When it came out That she was like Frightening with the white People Right I haven't listened to Doja Cat Since then And she was one of my favorite artists See I'm a little hypocritical Because I think it depends on What the person did Nah Cause it I feel like us Black people as a whole Once we say something I feel like we always trying to Oh Try to accept people back in Oh they invited And they don't Be accepting us If you guys Want to come right So you're absolutely right Why we Inviting these people To our cook out Like They not inviting us To know Bar misfits They are inviting us To know Like Why we Condoning To Get an Oscar Do you know where the Oscar came from? It started from a black man A black film maker That's where the Oscar started from It didn't start from no You know what I'm saying But they appropriated The Grammys Bruh I don't even care to win a Grammy Don't even get me started on the Grammys Because Why would they You know Love to everybody That won a Grammy Congratulations to everybody Shout out to everybody But Harry Styles Winning the Grammy Was not in my bingo car For the Grammys Of 2023 But we gotta Really check it out Every year Us black people Always get upset about this Like How many more How many more times A white person Gotta win For you to realize Like yo You gonna be upset Next year too We just gotta Understand the world That we're living in And be Fuck it for real We just gotta Remember like Yo We gotta Create our own Create our own shit You know what I'm saying Like E.T. ain't for us It's via calm now You know what I'm saying Cause They don't even show music On there no more There's a bunch of Tyler Perry movies Like Maybe you could be The face of the next Black platform Yeah I will Shout out to Token Town Black owned business You know what I'm saying That's why I'm really About to be on Kanyaymo I'm about to create My own everything I'm saying just For my people I love that for you I love that for you Okay So Let's hop right back Into your artistry Like I said before Over 1.1 million Views On your YouTube channel I don't know if you know that That's really really dope How do you feel about that How do you feel about the way That you're received Online I feel great I feel great Because I remember I remember I remember me And Jav used to Talk about like You know Certain milestones You know And like Certain things you Want to accomplish And stuff like that And then now Was like We accomplished Even You know We had this on the list You know what I'm saying It's like Damn we did this I didn't even know I got I didn't even know I had a million Views like Until you told me Yeah You know what I'm saying So it's like Damn Like where Over a million actually I feel great Like For a negative Like Like When I look In my When my music Is getting streamed at I'm like Damn My music Okay I got an antique And people You giving jets at her You know what I'm saying Like yo I know your music Like People really know my music Especially coming from Brownsville Going across the world Meeting people who Know your music Right That's dope That's really really dope So Who Who would you say Is like Your If you have one Like your targeted audience I feel like everybody Okay Everybody I don't Like Tunes into you more The most Um I'll say From 25 To like 40 Okay That means you talking Every shit Yeah I feel like that Because Those are the people That started with me When I was like 18, 19 And they're growing With me Oh That's interesting So you feel like Your fan base Has They Pretty much The same from So when you were 18 With you That's dope I think that's very important Because There are a lot of artists That start making music And then As time goes on They lose their fans They either Change up their sound Or they start doing Something different That their fan base I mean I want to say It's bad to go in Like Different lanes And try different genres And you know You said it is bad Oh yeah No no I agree I don't think so My new record I'm about to put out Is more like Exercising my vocals Like you know my vocals Okay Let me find out Kev got vocals Um You have a video On your YouTube channel For Ain't a thing It says that it's Premiering October 5th Oh yeah yeah What's that about That's a whole Like That's being independent As you Like With me When I shoot videos I don't just shoot one video I probably should like Two of them You know cause like I'm always prepared Always prepared So I like You see it on YouTube But I still got like Four other videos On my laptop Ready to be uploaded Yeah I was thinking I'm like October 5th is so OD Like I feel like And that's That builds anticipation That's a lot of anticipation Cause anything Is gonna be on the next project That I'm putting out Okay In August So So how long do you Be holding your stuff for Cause the video Like there's a thumbnail Everything which means The video was done Right Yeah So how long do you Start putting it out When the Like See I work I'm not signed to a label Cause I got my own label Right But I work like a label So before a label Put out an artist Or put out You know Push an artist They They start preparing You know they shoot videos They have press runs Lined up And stuff lined up So I have All of that stuff Lined up So when I'm ready to release It's just like It's ready to go Okay Interesting So something else That you can have on your YouTube Is your I believe it's your later song But Shout out to Spence Shout out to Spence Set the tone Set the tone Yeah I like it The visuals is good The songs is good So that's crazy Because I was in Antigua Right And Spence was like I was trying to get Spence To come out to LA Cause I shoot all my videos In LA With my videographer out there And he was like Damn so I can't get out There's gonna be too busy So I'm like How can we shoot this video Can you come to Antigua He's like Nah man come to Miami So I was already in Antigua For my stay Cause I was staying out there For a whole month So I booked the flight Went to Miami And then went back to Antigua I just went to Miami Just to shoot the video First of all I think it's so crazy That you said the first time That you went to Antigua You didn't know anybody And then you went from Not knowing anybody To staying there for a whole month I ended up going back Three times after that That's crazy Two more times after that So you really love it there I love it there too But like that's really Like that's dope And I can tell they really fuck with you Just based on the stuff That I've seen that you post too It was fire bro See I haven't Oh you played Mass Of course I'm a West Indian Well yeah So wait So that wasn't your first time For some playing carnival? Yeah No I wasn't Have you been doing it Since you was young? Yeah like Kitty Carnival Yeah? Oh wow yeah I haven't played Mass I want to try And only like carnival Outside of the United States That I've been to So far as caribana In Canada I haven't experienced a Caribbean carnival yet So definitely looking forward You shouldn't miss like Really? I'm gonna be out there this year Okay See I haven't been out there For carnival I've been out there When I was younger But not for carnival So I might That might be you on my My list Yeah I know It's beautiful Oh I got stories But it's not about me So you did that collab With Shata You also as you said You're affiliated with Troy I'm not affiliated with Troy I have no more No no I'm not I'm just straight up Kept the Pope East 98 music That's me You're not affiliated As in like I don't fuck with each other No more I haven't spoke to Troy I haven't like Couple years And the way We stopped speaking Was um Alright so I told you I used to work with Casino Like you know I helped him With his first record I went to his listening Party In Brooklyn They were steaming and stuff I went there We took a picture And You know he ain't like that Because I guess He was beefing at the time Whatever so He was like ah you know We weren't cool no more I was like cool How do you feel about that though Like I feel like in this industry A lot of people are You know it's very easy To bump shoulders With a lot of people in the industry So how do you feel about Like niggas that you don't fuck with Fucking with niggas that You fuck with And all that Within the industry See I don't feel I don't feel no type of way Because I don't really roll with Too much people So I don't gotta worry About the people that I fuck with Fucking with people I don't fuck with I'm a very likeable person You know what I'm saying I'm a very likeable person So Yeah Ain't nobody that Don't really fuck with me Cause you know like Now there's people who Won't do songs with With certain people Just based on You took a picture I'm not like that I'm not like that Okay So With I guess following that You were also in New York City Which is Troy Adams movie Yeah Um What What How was that experience Like you about to get into Your acting bag It was cool You know It was cool But we actually shot That movie in 2016 And it just released It just released Yeah So I kinda forgot That whole movie I forgot about it Like for real for real Cause I was like I'm hearing what you're saying But I was watching the movie I had to wait to End of credits to see To see who I was playing Cause I forgot The character I was playing In the movie Damn it was that long Yeah it was that long ago Word So what you think Like would you take up Acting? Did you like the experience Because after that I was in a couple Web series and stuff Like that after And now I watched a lot of Movies on Tubi I'm not gonna lie Tubi be having a good movie People making fun of Tubi And stuff like that But it inspired me You know what I'm saying Like Not even just in women Just anything in general It has to inspire me You know what I'm saying So right now I'm really Like I've been on the phone With my videographer Like yo You know what I'm saying The bag is there Let's start making the movie Let's shoot a movie That's what I was about to say From an actor standpoint Or from like You trying to get Your director producer I'm really trying to Cause like Once the music Is where I wanna be And it's all sudden done Cause I wanna be About 40 Making music You know what I'm saying So I wanna really Like get into the Behind the scenes And directing stuff I'm saying because Not just movies I wanna direct You know commercials And you know TV shows And stuff like that And even like You might laugh But I wanna direct porn You know what I'm saying Cause it's a Billion dollar business Billion dollar company And people Just And the thing about me Like You ever watch porn And you just gotta Keep going to like Page 2 Page 3 Page 4 Just to find out What you wanna see A good one year Right So I'ma type in a negative I'm gonna make Shit that people Wanna see It's just like I know it sounds different You never heard of it I mean like No I definitely I hear you I understand where You're coming from I think that For me It's just like How do you Separate Your craft Like I guess as Like Setting this up From a different standpoint Than you would Usually as a consumer So I think that's why Like I laugh Because it's like I'm just picturing you like Alright well I'll arch it back a little bit Alright Trying to get Like trying to get the angles And stuff like I just think that's It's so crazy but I hope that you do If you do it I hope you do it well I will I will Good luck with that Yeah Okay so You also really You released A few Different videos Over the course Of the last couple of years I want to ask you About How you go about Selecting the girls That's in your videos Do you Do you choose them? Yeah yeah I do everything Okay because I feel like There's a lack of representation In the girls That are in your videos Yeah Which video Which video Have you seen? I've seen like At least like Your last few different ones There was one I think it might have been Heart-Froze And it was like A bluish pinkish light Is that the one That had a bluish pinkish light And it was a main girl And I couldn't tell Like what it was giving But yeah It was a lot of light skin And this is not me Saying anything to you Specifically It's to a bigger point Because I think that A lot of times We get into conversations About colorism In the industry And I wanted to ask you To see if it was intentional Because sometimes I really don't think Because I can't agree on that Because Come up My video come up I think we had like Six different models in there And Four of those models were Like You know Same skin tone as yours My video heart-froze So these same skin Tone as yours Yeah And really I'm about to drop You said it's love She's a little darkening Yeah I'm saying Okay This is not me Trying to like Put you on the spot Anything But you said I should like Put you know Caucasian females In my videos I am not saying that Not that there's anything Against it But I think that I did that before too But I think that Like My skin tone Isn't really like Like I feel like You can always I love dark skin Representation Especially like Coming from Artists I think I'm not a type of dude See With me I don't look at skin tone Because we're all human At the end of the day And I feel like When you say Dark skin, light skin, brown skin Whatever That's just to keep it segregated And it's not But that's why I ask you And that's just to keep us like Oh I don't fuck with you Because you light skin Or you like But that's why I ask you Because it's very easy To draw up a narrative of I don't see a lot of representation In your music video So this is something That you're doing on purpose So that's the reason why I ask you Is it intentional And are you the one that Selects the people for your videos So there's not me coming for you At all I'm really asking you Out of curiosity Okay cool Just making sure Because at the end of the day It's like However you take it You know what I'm saying And it's not to say I took it in you It was something that I observed And I know that it's an On-going conversation So As somebody who is In the seat You gotta look at it like We all got mouths right And what our mouths Are meant to do Talk So that's what people are going to do People always going to talk People always going to talk And I'm going to just keep You know Keep letting them talk If they're not talking You ain't doing nothing Right And this is not to say People are talking I don't know if people are talking I would love people to talk I just wanted to ask you I would love people to talk Because you know Once you're talking You look Okay I hear that So You said In one of your interviews That as an artist You have to put in Footwork Instead of just relying on Like the digital And the socials Of course You know I'm saying Like Yeah You may get the internet Whatever But When it's time to do them shows Is people really going to show up Right I'm saying When they hear your record Can they put a face to the record Right So how do you go about Getting that footwork And making sure That you're represented Outside of the digital Like with this new record You said it's love Billboards is going to be out You know Billboards and top school And stuff like that You know Flyers And stuff like that Stickers on the train With the QR codes Okay So like promotion Marketing All that kind of stuff You got to hit the streets Like you got to hit the streets The streets still there What about like In-person performances You perform a lot Hell yeah Hell yeah You like it Of course I do I love Like Even though I'm an Anti-social type of dude When I'm performing I'm interacting with the people I'm more social Like You'll get me to talk You'll get me to smile And stuff like that Like Like one of the shows That I do every year Is at Ruggers University Mm-hmm That's like One of the biggest shows I usually do Every year And Bro When me and Jav Yeah, Jav was talking about that It's this record That me and Jav got We put out I think 2017 2018 Call Where Were You Mm-hmm Last year When we performed that song He give out to me too And people that was there These motherfuckers Had their phones out They was repeating The words Oh, I love that Yo, this song came out Five years ago Mm-hmm You know what I'm saying? And it was lit So is that one of those moments Where you like, damn Like, we really doing this shit Like, I couldn't imagine It's not Like, yeah, we really doing it It's like, yo People really fucking with it People really fucking with it And yo This was meant Like, this is where All the hard work And trial and tribulations Is for like You know what I'm saying? This is what comes with it Mm-hmm Do you have like I guess we kind of Touched on this already Because you want to get Into your directing You want to expand Your brand outside of music Yeah Um How, how, what's in your like If you had to come up With like a five-year plan Or something that you see yourself doing Five years from now What would it be? Um Cause you say You didn't want to make music When you're 35 or 40 I don't know how old you are Right now I'm 27 I'll be 28 Okay So that's Like the five years Is coming close to that So how So how do you plan on like Wrapping up The music chapter And tapping into it? I'm going to continue to make music But just not as often And consistent as I am now Mm-hmm I will be like More behind the scenes I'll be helping other artists Cause I'm going to sign Some artists too Cause I'm on my own label I'm going to sign some artists And um Sign some producers Okay You know Um Java's like Java's my bro As much as I can Okay So let's talk about that real quick Um As somebody who's looking to sign Artists and producers What's something that You would look for In an artist or producer that you Sign Um You got to be like Serious about it You know what I'm saying Like you can't be Threatening the fence You can't be like Yo I'm in the streets Making music If you're making music Like you got to be Making music You know what I'm saying Cause that's how a lot of Rappers get killed You know they're making music But they still want to be in the streets Like you can't You got to pick one Yeah You know what I'm saying Or like You got to like Dang that's Okay So that I think that also kind of Limits the kind of people That you're looking for too Cause not everybody's Going to just be willing To just give that up Not because They don't want to But sometimes they It's a little tough I mean Why wouldn't you want to Give it up The only thing you gain From the streets Is death of Jim Like why wouldn't you Want to get that up I think that's coming Like it's just Common sense I feel like I think But you know what they say About common sense Yeah it ain't very common It's not And I feel like Reason why I feel like I'm so passionate And it's so like So serious about my music Cause Growing up in Brownsville I've seen certain things That I wasn't supposed to see At a young age Right You know what I'm saying Like I've seen somebody Get robbed at gunpoint At seven years old You know what I'm saying Like I've seen You know abuse At a very young age That's why I don't drink I never drank a day Never drank alcohol I was wondering So that Like just little things You know that just traumatized Me forever Just make me You know the stronger You know the person I am now Like I ain't for that I ain't doing that And I hate seeing people Get taken advantage of So if I'm starting an artist You gotta just like You gotta have some type of Knowledge and brains Of like what you're getting into Like this is a business You know what I'm saying And I think that it's important To have people Who have that experience And understanding Of like Just how things are And have real life situations That have shaped who they are now Because some people lack That life experience So you can't really pour into people When you don't have much to do You don't have much to take from I guess So I think that that also Goes to the point of You may really be The right person for this So something else That we didn't touch on yet Is that you're walking In the LA Fashion Week Aren't you? Yeah, I actually Postponed that Yeah, I'm actually gonna Walk in New York Fashion Week Okay, so perfect Because I was gonna ask you Because New York Fashion Week Obviously is here What are you walking in? What you doing? I don't want to reveal that As yet Well, I mean realistically speaking I'm walking with the modern experience For the LA Fashion Week I'm gonna be doing that But New York, I'm not sure as yet If you haven't figured that out as yet I know that they've started Doing cast and quotes I'm really looking forward to seeing The looks I know a lot of people Are gonna be popping out in New York I love when people come to New York And dress how they think But not to cut you off though Shout out to my cousin He has a brand called Side USA He's gonna come up I'm saying I don't have it on right now But shout out to him And shout out to Plug Road T My bro up in Rhode Island I'm wearing All the design I'm wearing It's right here And stuff like that Shout out to him Shout out to him You definitely be shown what loves You show love to the community I know you do like Turkey drives Back to school drives All of that, why not What's the importance of that to you? Nobody comes back to Brownsville And do it So why shouldn't I do it You know what I'm saying Like I know how to make money You know what I'm saying So the money that I'm making Why not You know Put it towards something good That could help the people out You know what I'm saying Because growing up You know I may have been You know Fortunate to have No face and stuff like that And you know Nicest clothing and stuff But there's some people Who don't got that You know And fortunate enough To have that So you know I'll be the extra help You know I think that's very commendable Yeah Because a lot of people Definitely use the money That they get For the flashy stuff And a lot of times I mean there's something wrong with that You know what I'm saying No I don't think That's exactly what I was about to say I don't think that There's anything wrong But I think that There should also be something To show for it Not to say anybody's entitled To the money that These artists are making But even if it's like Invest in money Having properties Something like Like a lot of the money That these artists are making Though it's not even They're money Like Yeah you see You see an artist's sound For such and such But They gotta They gotta recoup that money They will back Yeah It's just an investment You know what I'm saying Yeah but that's That goes for a certain Category That goes for the signed ones But there are also Independent ones That make money And still don't really Be doing shit with it But that's needed here And right there Yeah So You said something Interesting and Role with me You said I stick around Even when you fire Something like that I thought that was real Crazy That's love right there That's love right there Yeah like So you You get real comfortable With the ladies Yeah cause like Even though I'm a hopeless Romantic type of dude You know what I'm saying I love to love I like nice stuff I like treating women You know Nice and stuff like that You know I like With me I like giving people Experience they never have before You know what I'm saying So Anybody who ever met me They would never forget me Even like Exes from like Years ago They still contact me Like you know Remember that Could you give them Experience they never have before You know what I'm saying And I feel like that's what A lot of like Men lack nowadays They just want to Oh I'm trying to fuck Or something Something like bro If you get a show Who's comfortable with you She'll do anything for you You know what I'm saying So what's the most memorable Thing you did for Somebody that you was dating His name is somebody I was dating So We'll be in 2023 2021 I had a home girl You know That we used to Kick it back in the days or whatever And you know We reconnected She was in the A And we reconnected And I'm like Y'all I ain't see you in a minute You know let's think up She's like Let's think up I'm like Let's go to Mexico Why It just ran She got flew out to Mexico No no Listen to the story I was like Let's go to Mexico right As the time Reached to go to Mexico A week before She had hit me She was like Yo Kev I got some bad news To tell you I'm like What's up She's like Yo I'm at the passport place Right now And they told me They can't expedite my passport I'm like What? I'm like Yo I booked this flight The day we started back Talking Which was two months ago You had time To go to the post office You had time To go to the post office To get your passport Right I was like Yo You ain't going to spoil the trip You know what I mean I'm going to cancel your flight Or whatever Let the money go down the drain Because it's money You'll get it back Right Money's easy to make But it's hard to keep Right So I'm like Fuck it So You know I'm talking with my mom I was like Are you really going to Go to Mexico by yourself I know you go everywhere By yourself From Mexico though So My mom was like Ask one of your friends I was like Bro I posted on Instagram I was like What? So My DM was Filt Filt I can imagine Everybody want to get Food out I messaged the person The last person that Damn me Whatever I messaged her Right She could She could She could vouch for this I'm going to say her name My name is drama queen She a rapper too She makes music She's from the BX Okay Right And You know I was like She kind of turned me off In the beginning though Because she lied about her age You know Femos is Like to lie about the age I had to I had to learn that You know what I'm saying I'm like What's the point in lying about your age I was going to know anyway Like Yeah for the flight Yeah Lie like She wasn't legal or just lied Bro She was 33 And she told me she was 27 I'm like Ain't nothing wrong with being 23 But I feel like That's not even ever Like Why lie about that You know what I'm saying So You know She's never been through that before So I'm like You've never been through that before Like this is regular You know Fly girls are on time So it's like I've never had this before I'm like Alright So First time for everything So When we got to Mexico And she's And she's seen where we were staying at She was like Yo Who are you like Like How did you just randomly You know Just want to fly me out Because we stayed in this big ass villa In Cancun And she was just like Yo How are you like Why are you just randomly Flying girls out and stuff Like What kind of money Nah yeah What do you do You don't just rock Like you got to do something Yeah you doing something On the side You know And she had a great time But the thing what I told her I'm like Yo This is just a trip You know what I'm saying Don't think anything Is coming We ain't having sex Ain't nothing coming from You just go Experience I swear Like not to say I was waiting for you to finish But I was I wanted to see That it's had A lot of time Like does Being fluid out No Entitled I'm not I'm not entitled to smash No We just We just going for the Experience The vibe Like you've never been to Mexico I've never been to Mexico First time I think these niggas Need to take notes Because they They get real Entitled When it comes to the trip I'm running out of yacht Shorty never been on the Yacht We in the middle Of the fucking ocean You know Yeah You smash But You know How many other people smash Before I mean before you I'm saying Nothing special about that Yeah I guess Like a lot I think it's the money Like niggas feel like Since they're putting out Something I'm kind of older now So if there's no connection I don't really care to smash I'm saying Because I don't just Have regular sex Like I'm a freaky ass nigga You feel me So You got to have Some type of connection With a girl's body You know Right But then you Be flying random girls Out though For the experience bro But you can't travel with everybody The same way you can't be Fucking on everybody You can't travel with everybody Alright so If shit ain't working Nah I just Go book a hotel somewhere else You can stay in this spot Go Need my own space That's very respectful That's very respectful Yo Because niggas really be I need my own space So If I ain't feeling you You like this spot You stay here I go Go somewhere else Simple I ain't going Big money Poppin everywhere That's what it's giving That's what it's giving It's not big money It's just about I feel like Peace bro You know I like peace More than anything You know what I'm saying Because money don't bring you happiness You can have money All the money in the world And you can be unhappy As a motherfucker Absolutely But Peace does not buy A new hotel room So that's why I'm saying Like It gives big money Because So You finding your own other spot And you know I'ma stay I'ma stay No I think that like Some niggas really be mad grimy Like okay well then You can get out And that's why I said That's very respectful Yo These niggas be ruthless out here I'm telling you I've heard stories That's why I really don't be like I'm not really with the whole Fluid out antics Especially if It's not somebody that I'm already like Heavily talking to her In a relationship with Because I just can't trust It's not even a flu out there Cause like When I traveled places by myself I end up meeting people there You know what I'm saying Like I went to Miami The first time I ever went to Miami Was like 2016 The first day I went out there I met a shorty by the bus stop Who lives in Orlando Cause she was coming to Miami To find a She was moving to Miami So she was going to the strip To find a job Right I met at the bus stop And That first day She stayed with me The entire 10 days I was in Miami Oh wow Just from that one You know Meeting at the bus stop Who's Bob's Even when I went to Mexico The shorty I flew out She missed her flight The first day I met a shorty Who was from DC That night When she missed her flight We kicked it You know what I'm saying Like So you meet people Like you know I'm a likeable person So I'm going to meet people Regardless Okay You're really a people person Kev the Pope For the people Please only positive energy That's what I give It seems like You live up to your name So Is there anything else I know we have to wrap up But Is there anything else That you would like to cover Talk on Before we wrap up New single coming out You said it's love Mm-hmm New project coming Under the summer Love heartbreaks and melodies Are you already working on that? It's already done Yo You really be just keeping Stuff Real quick What does that Bob give? R&B And pop Do you think that It's like a summer project Because I feel like in the summer Like we like We love a good summer jam You really can't Just Say this song is for the summer My song is for Oh yeah No That's not what I'm saying But I'm saying Like does it give Summer Bob Yeah Okay Cause I was going to say Like example Bryson When he dropped outside After the summertime I was very disappointed Because I still listen To the song But it's one of those Like it gives Like a summer Bob Man Jav got a collab project Coming soon A collab project A collab project Oh love that for y'all Can you work on that For a little bit Therapy session Jav Project is out Yes Go stream that Yeah Okay You doing your thing Well I appreciate you For coming Looking forward to the things You got coming for us This year Shout out to your social So that the people Know where to find you Instagram Facebook YouTube Everything is the same K-E-V-T-H-E-P-O-P-E Kevin Pope That's my name Old platform Stream platform Same thing Kevin Pope Alright Make sure y'all stream that And we are out y'all Thank you for tuning in