 Good to see you back with us on think tech wise this or show a human human architecture, which is the 268th show and You are about YouTube actually changed as of yesterday. They're format So then now they don't show us the accumulated views, but so we're guessing you're in the 14,500 somewhere in that area there and we are Broadcasting live from your host me Martin Dispang from the Waikiki Grand Hotel in Waikiki on a Lulu Hawaii And the Soto Brown back in his tropical exotic Setting just up the hill with dogs and birds everything we want in the tropics high the Soto And we have you met no black back in your Boston, Massachusetts where climate change It's doing weird things and making you feel like you would still be with us, right? Yeah, exactly, but no wildlife unfortunately. Oh, yeah Okay, what are we seeing here a bunch of things obviously all down the world stage there is crazy things going on We keep the fingers crossed that as they call him and this is a sad acronym is the three T's the Trump of the tropics also narrow is not following his idol Trump In trying to argue that he has lost so these days. We're still hoping that will be the case And then our friend Bjarke Ingels can then actually work for Lula as the client, you know It doesn't have to dance with a devil anymore. That's something to look forward to So we need good political leadership. We need to elect them And so we're scratching our heads who's going to be next in the united states And we try to think we keep recruiting here on our island And we have been talking about that because last week as we can see at the very bottom right We came all together in your bishop museum And who else was visiting you the soto that little while ago who we see in the bottom right? Well, we see famous movie star Jason Momoa who came to Bishop Museum with the crew of the mini series that he's working on right now, which is about the life of Kamehameha the first And when he came to visit Bishop Museum, as you can see in the center I got to meet him along with my co-worker crystal who is on the left And there are three very different people in height that you can see Uh, and Jason's a very big man. So Jason towered over all of us there and there's the there's the photograph that proves it There is and we keep thinking maybe we need to nominate him to volunteer to run for president because Someone we had our hopes high up upon is out as we can read here, right? And who is that? Well, we were we've been watching or paying attention to dwayne johnson the rock Because he lived here for a long time and he has talked about his Childhood here and how he went from being evicted from his apartment on the leona street On the leona arms apartments, which we like because they're easy breezy, but in any case He got evicted with his parents and that sent them to california and from then on he has become Probably the biggest movie star in the world at the moment certainly the highest paid He talked about maybe running for president and we thought that that would be very interesting because he'd have a lot of empathy for people without a lot of money But he said he doesn't want to do that Okay Going to the second slide because where does our hopes stem from to get a good president from our islands? Of course, that's berik obama That we were talking about and and this is just basically a collage of many things we're talking about Well, first of all at the bottom there, this is new his new residence Which is on the way out to you Amat when you are here with us You are in kailua and so when you just told an eye jump into our p.i.m. Mobile that we see down there We go the scenic route versus over the poly which I do every day I'm happy to get semi to palaheo, but you know when we have more time We do the scenic route and then we stop by This wooden fence here that wants to make it look rather Nondescript and sort of blending in and sort of local And we keep wondering sort of what's behind because it isn't public yet We can just know from the little things here and there The fence automatically reminded me of our post fossil kindergarten for my hometown a little On top of that one. You can see a bear. However behind that is You just repeated the german wonderland energie vendor meds that's what You with your not lb bank and we tried to do and got recognized for that in the fate of netflix To basically do planet friendliness And so we're not quite sure to what extent berg is doing that behind the fence So I think this has to be a continuous Discussion and investigation But you said one funny thing matt about that you recently saw that That helicopter by the actor mr. Mosley who actually passed away In august who played Basically tc, right? And so the helicopter, you know, they made a remake of that And that one is still flying around and Matt you said, you know while in the past he was saying and down there you see the magnum p i Residents now he can say you see the obama residents down there and as we we call it the p i mobile for funny reasons but also Rick all the right and when we got together I confused him with tc as you see at the second top from the left He he drove one of these so this is always the deja vu for now obama for us swinging by and and checking on him And by the way, once again where you are reporting from the soto here and now is a Is by osipov and osipov Is at the top right. This is what this obama claims To be as he surprised you on that aia convention This is just putting pictures to the words of last week met right because he Talked about the lilias strand being that one of osipov's works However, he could have and should have Maybe said something maybe not else but in addition and they get access to the next slide and what is that? puno Exactly. Yeah, who knows who will have to do with obama Well, that's his alma mater on the one hand and on the other hand Osipov had a bit to do with the puno whole campus as well, right? That's right. And mostly known. It's he's for that chapel there that We just visited on this open house a couple of weekends ago and I shared I was a little disappointed because I missed the easy breeziness That I was hoping and there was fully aced and neon lit and so the Model picture at the bottom left is by Dean Sakamoto and his students in Yale back then and he they built that supposedly venturi effect double roof, but I didn't see it in action, unfortunately, so Don't know why that happened But something that isn't there anymore Is on the right side and that is what the other Puna who attended who we have with us vividly remembers and obama can right explained this to us the solo and Unmute yourself for that reason if you're still muted. Yes Well, so what we see on the right hand side is what was called the winny units And that was the complex of classrooms that was used for the first second and third third and fourth grades at puno Built in the early 1950s and demolished in recent times. Unfortunately It was a very innovative and very interesting Place and I went to school there second third and fourth grade from 1962 to 1965 I remember it very fondly a lot of people do it was very well designed. It had a lot of space It was not air conditioned. It was Specifically designed and placed to take advantage of the weather that was normally in place. It was The classrooms were all open on one side. They were sliding doors. They were covered lanais. Each classroom had its own backyard Very innovative for the time Very attractive very appealing. I liked it as a kid. And I'm sorry. It's no longer there Orak Obama did not attend classes there because by the time he started at puno ho when he was in fifth grade Fifth grade was in another building So he never got to personally enjoy this but he does admire asapoff as we know Even if he didn't get to go to school in the winning units All right, and this is also a model that's sitting out there and actually Cook or cookie a library which another sad story which we don't get into now But maybe well, probably we should at some other point that puno ho is thinking of tearing down That is an earnest hurrah mid-century modern marvel just like that studio location I'm broadcasting from and the model and the the layout reminds me couldn't that have been a banish architecting project matt actually quite right. Yeah, I mean Certainly certainly from glintur banish's days in the 50s and 60s Yeah, and the whole school building effort Would have been very much in keeping with with that's the spirit of that Yeah, absolutely And don't we now imagine of how little the soda looked like back in the days when he wasn't there Is that a wish we can make come true? I think if you just I think if he just shaved the beard off we would have a perfect image like he has an age today I'm sure next slide to share that with everyone There Okay, well that's me in in third and fourth grade in the winnie units when I was a school student there And on the right hand side, you can see the what I was talking about behind us Is the sliding doors of that you could normally keep open onto the covered line eyes of each one of those classrooms and again We didn't have air conditioning in those days. So we were just air conditioned by the trade winds Very rarely were those doors ever closed It was only pretty much if it was a very stormy day and the wind was blowing the rain in and most of the time that didn't happen So I realize now in retrospect how lucky I was to be going to school in a building like that where there was just as we like to say it was completely easy breezy and Hurrah for as a puff and and everybody who thought like that back in the day We should probably include this in our to come address code address code show Because again, you're wearing a Climately pretty, you know Appropriate a lower shirt I'm assumed they made you guys literally and figuratively speaking wear long pants But you didn't have to have to wear shoes. So that's you know, pretty fair I did not wear shoes until seventh grade. That's when they first started requiring shoes In those days So a lot of kids wore no footwear at all. So I was barefoot most of the time They should probably be reminded of that tradition at some point. Yeah, I That's why I still don't like to wear shoes because I never wore them growing up But what means what means shoes? So though, was it where slippers also outlawed? Yeah, they were so you either could wear shoes or you could be barefoot and Uh, so it was just no I never even thought about wearing shoes to school any footwear There you go And next slide if I would have been as fortunate as you to solo and would have been gone to my school of architecture Not ever since the 90s when that horrible homo piece of cake Has been happening there but prior to that And this is again, uh, we talked about that last week, but here are the images show quotes This is when urin utzon was Working in the portables that are just as easy breezy. So here he is on the right side and um Coming full circle back a bottom left to obama Because this is uh, where he resided at the bottom left show quotes erig if we can get closer to that one In the punahoa circle apartments just across the street on baritania where he lived with his grandmother And this is a very clever design where after that privacy securing opaque Bell straight on the lanai There is that window system that has a top part at fixed glaze gives you all the view but to stay cool You got that lower jealousy part, which is really quite inventive And again, I could see being you know out of the office of banage architect Even these days if that is fair to say matt Yeah, no, actually our house in kailua has exactly the same arrangement. It's Uh, you know, the upper part is fixed in the lower part of jollacies works very very well When you when you don't build a screened in or a glassed-in porch I'm glad you mentioned that because that points out the critical difference because you were sharing with us Although it has this good feature. It's damn hot in there. And that's why it's a single-story building With a Non or very little insulated roof that the sun hits down on all the time and that is the beauty of multi-story as calls it stacked lanais Because then you shade each other and by the way again All these single-story things, you know are quite questionable and you know these days of growth population to crazy in the world and land scarcity, which is one of the reasons of The dilemma we have as housing here. So we should actually go Into multi-stories and not do single-story kindergartens. Even, you know, these not anymore but urban kindergartens Former presidents shouldn't maybe reside in a deli beachfront single-story buildings, right and schools should be multi-story Because obama remembers that visit vividly. He grew up in an easy breezy stacked lanai just across the school And bottom right, we have another fine example of the evolution of that Which is not far away from that one. And that's your buddy from your mit master's degree days, uh, this is bunded canister con and and genus lee having done their finest Howley loft in the molly ealy area that is just doing that it's just doing everything right So this way we want to segue from suburban sprawl single-story to What we should all do these days urban multi-story And that gets us finally back to you in boston and next slide And as we promised you share with us the gensheim building now in full scope Yeah, so I mean, this is a completely different scale of building, of course, but I would say, you know from the kind of The approach and the thinking behind it is not so different from it. It's really about trying to Work from very basic principles of of day lighting and natural ventilation And and and then, you know, this is a this is an office building It was the head at the time it was the headquarters building for the gensheim corporation which was In its day one of the most kind of kind of avant garde pharmaceutical companies really working on developing very unique cures to very special diseases and And so the building was basically it's as you can see it's this sort of yellow dot here and it was a In a master plan for an area in cambridge called kendall square, which was kind of it's presumed or assumed to be the Kind of the next frontier back in the early 2000s of the sort of pharmaceutical biotech revolution and The building was actually master planned according to a very I would say sort of typical american approach to Building floor plates, you know, sort of having really big like 40 000 square foot cross floor area floor plates and so forth and we thought at the time that This was far too large to properly daylight and to ventilate for You know people who work in this building on a regular basis and so the the at the time It was a design competition that we we entered in and our approach was basically to say we need to punch a big hole in the middle of this And figure out ways over 13 stories to bring daylight really deep down into the interior of the building And so it's essentially I mean at its core. It's a it's a sort of doughnut shaped building That has at the top a glass roof over that's over it and then what are called heliostats Which are a series of mirrors And filters that kind of track the sunlight over the course of the day and reflect it down through a fine kind of filter at the ceiling And then inside of this atrium space are chandeliers, which are whose intention is really to catch that daylight and then Through the sort of natural ventilation that comes up through the bottom of the building move and sort of Change their position over the day and then kind of move the daylight through the space Over the course of the hours in the day so that you get not just kind of static day lighting on the interior but a very animated and active daylight and Again, the idea is you know, you have a thousand people working in this building that you kind of connect each one of them To a kind of a natural phenomenon so that you're in a controlled space You're in an interior space of a building But you're very much you feel very much connected to to breezes and to to moving daylight in a way that I think makes the interior of the building quite quite special And we can jump to the next slide, which is again is illustrating what you just said at biochlamatic people and plenty of friendly architecture starts on the urban scale already And then you just start to refine it As your talk at our school was called integrating Right. I mean, I think in this case Yeah, I mean if this were if this happened to be a master plan in germany They wouldn't have even conceived of blocks that large because you couldn't buy law You couldn't even you couldn't even develop us a building that broad So we basically took that idea and brought it to the building scale and said, okay Let's put a series of building volumes here that Are reflective of what you know, it's can be properly daylit and properly ventilated And we'll just string them together, right as a is an ensemble And if we go to the next slide, you see this being illustrated here in a in a bunch of diagrams, which I also don't want to just talk about What we see or the information that's behind but also the means and method methods and the techniques That always in your deliverables As one like to call that towards the emerging generation It's very process based, right? So it's it's not like everything is set in stone or as I keep saying the old From Günther where the line just doesn't stop where it eventually stops, right? That the line projects out Meaning the line doesn't quite know yet where it's supposed to end, right? Which I think is sort of metaphorical for that kind of process thinking, right? That's always trying to optimize and I was sharing I think this sort of childhood memory of mine where Günther and his partner Manfred Zabatke were in on prime time tv National Tel Aviv talking about a just completed building and they were thinking, hey this top part of there They might go back and tweak it and twist it, you know Get the shit out of any client and certainly probably institutional You're just talking about that you're just got off a meeting with a federal german government who want nothing but Play to the rules that have been established forever, right? So this I just want to point out again That's this sort of collage way of working and again that that's how you guys That's how Günther and Stefan at that time already won over my hometown Over all the hot shots of helmet yams and mario botas and you name them and I work for my professor Peter schweiger And we're all too uptight and I think that's another connection here having been building a Harley on semi school and color hail over the weekend I'm scotty one of the Native Hawaiian local guys. We're basically getting impatient with us. Um, you know trainees and saying hey, we're in hawaii Uh, you're too uptight. We do the dang lose here and that was about doing the shaka and threading the aids, you know for The lashing so I think you this is also very in a way, you know very much As you know what we should do here more and being less uptight and strict but more I think the style too is very much. I mean, you know, german competitions try very hard to lock down as many variables as possible You know before you win right to make sure that and I think what we're trying to argue here is that You know the fundamentals the kind of core concepts of a building need to be defined early And those are the things that don't change but everything else is very is actually quite flexible, right? I mean you have to work within budgets and schedules and all these things But like at the end of the day, you can't lose sight of the act the sort of the As they would say in german the basically hey, uh, what's actually the most essential parts of a building? Yeah, and then you can solve things very in many many ways, right according to many different factors. Yeah And next slide illustrates That the after your talk in the q and a you addressed this here when I was asking What do we do without a matias, which is matias schuller the founder of transfer law? And you basically advise the emerging generation and saying well the the principles the essential Principles they're not rocket science and they're universal And then where you are in the world you've got to address them then differently But and then you can come in with matias and fine tune and squeeze out the most here and there But the fundamentals and this is again You see the complexity of that Uh while you know formalists put put all this effort into Dressing it up and you know put a little bit more makeup here and there While same and I would say more efforts rightly so goes into all this sort of performance based You know Features that Yeah, then these diagrams show how they work and with each other and the Synchronicity and the complexity of that right? Exactly, and I don't think that you know the formal doesn't have to be at the expense of The kind of essential performative characteristics of the building, but what you find very often is that Um, it it is it has a beauty into itself as well, right? I mean we find the moments where we can play around with Shapes and things like that But at the end of the day if you have a formal concept in a kind of an environmental concept that are completely at odds with One another you can't ever bring that to any kind of resolution And uh, yeah, that's I think very much at the heart of what we're trying to communicate And next slide which might probably be the last one because then believe or not We're at the end again of another exciting 28 minutes to be continued But this is addressing another question that people in the audience had and saying well These models do you make them for the sake of model making and your answer was and will be repeated here now as No, I mean this is these this is a mod these are models all of these models are things that They're at the first instance Part of how we understand the building, right? We can't even begin to kind of understand it ourselves internally before we build these let alone kind of Elaborate that for a client and so ultimately they become tools to talk with a client. But in the first instance, they're really about how we Understand what we're what we're talking about and and how we can react to it, right? I mean we need these as a way to Um analyze our thinking and be critical about it um And and so yeah, and you know, you can look at these things in photographs and then digital versions, but I think they They're always deceptive in that regard, right? You're always working with a two-dimensional projection of a three-dimensional object And a model is the only way that you actually begin to really understand the the entirety of the thing Yeah And again these days we all I mean have the computer and the computer is seduces one as an illusion of reality and models are sort of a Bonsai version of the real deal Three-dimensionality and you see the real Issues, but on the right side you also see how you guys start out And these are not vain The myth of the napkin sketch, right that you very you said you're very Skeptical to as I am there is hardly ever if at all This big idea. I mean there is an idea at the beginning, but then you know you start to Process that and transform that and you know your kind of multimedia approach of working on it Basically helps to just enrich to work with all the tools. They're available versus just one by Yeah, yeah, these are just some great sketches by an architect in our office martin martin verminghausen who just he was always able to kind of Bring it bring it down to the point, right like Regardless of how how many different shifts and changes in the box there were It's fundamentally a box with this kind of garden inside of it, right? And I think he was always able to catch that In his sketches down. Yeah All right, and it's a great appetizer for more to come next week. So Look forward to see you Again all um and us and so until then please stay equally people and planet friendly Have a good week. Bye. Bye Thank you so much for watching think tech hawaii If you like what we do, please like us and click the subscribe button on youtube and the follow button on vimeo You can also follow us on facebook instagram twitter and linked in and donate to us at think tech hawaii.com Mahalo