 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts. Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, so we start out by talking about myself quarantine. For the next few episodes, you'll be hearing me through the phone, I got sick. That's right, I actually got sick. And so I'm doing the right thing by holding myself up in the house and being depressed while Adam, Justin, and Doug get to enjoy the beautiful house up in Tahoe. Then we talk about- Have fun at your expense. Thank you. Then we talk about Amazon at Home Learning and NCI. Okay, so look, here's what's going on right now, right? Economies go into crap, but some businesses are actually succeeding. One of them is online coaching. It's probably crushing right now. A lot of trainers aren't training people in the gym, but they are gonna be training people virtually. We work with a company that provides online coaching certifications, actually certified trainers to do this online. So right now what NCI is offering is a free training webinar with Jason Phillips. And this thing's all about how to build, operate, and scale a six-figure nutrition coaching business. So this is very valuable for all you trainers out there right now that might be out of work. Go check this out, it's totally free, and it'll help you pivot your business during these uncertain times. Here we do, go to ncicertifications.com forward slash mind pump. I talked about fenugreek thyme and ginger tea. That's what I'm using right now to help myself feel better. I'm also using OrganiFy's green juice and immunity. Now OrganiFy makes organic supplements. They are one of our sponsors. And of course, because you're a mind pump listener, you get 20% off. Just go to OrganiFy.com forward slash mind pump, use the code mind pump to get that massive discount. Then we talked about San Francisco on lockdown, but not the weed shops. No way, not our weed. Justin got to talk about George Lucas, his net worth, and the film's box office revenue. I talked about a show on Netflix that I'm watching because again, I'm stuck at home. Love is blind, that sucks. But I do still refuse to watch Westworld. The boys keep trying to push me to do that. Shame, shame your way. Then we talked about whether or not this crisis is going to strengthen or hurt Trump's chances, excuse me, of staying in office. So we speculate whether or not this is gonna make it easier or harder for him to win reelection. We talk about airlines, restaurants, casinos, and how they're all pleading for bailouts. I thought it was funny that casinos are trying to get a bailout. I talked about how being homebound, you can change your workouts and some of the things you can do at home to keep your body progressing, one of them being how you can lift heavy weights for with short rests. We also talk about all day workouts. And then I talked about the conspiracy of whether or not coronavirus was created in the lab or it was, it's natural. Then we got into the fitness questions. The first question was, is a gallon of water a day a real thing or is that just a myth? The next question, are keeping pull-ups a great substitute if I can only do one or two strict pull-ups? The third question, what are our thoughts on combining a therapy practice with personal training, therapy being talk therapy? So talk therapy with personal training, is that a good thing? And the final question, we've discussed the importance of mobility work, but what if somebody is hyper-mobile? Hyper-mobile meaning very, very flexible without a lot of strength. Also, we know that these are crazy uncertain times, but this is also no excuse to let your fitness slip. Obviously you're stuck at home, you're gonna wanna still work out, you wanna maintain your health. So here's what we're doing until the end of March, or maybe longer, but definitely until the end of March, we are putting maps anywhere 50% off. So this is a at-home workout program we designed to be truly effective, requires no equipment, all you need are bands and your body weight. It's half off, it's a full workout, right? So you go online, you click on the portal, you look at the exercises, you know what to do, you know what the workouts look like. Again, it's very effective, it's gonna provide your body with novelty. So if you're used to working out in the gym all the time but your gym is closed, try maps anywhere and you might be surprised, your body might actually improve. So it's not a poor substitute, this might actually be the better substitute. This is how you get the 50% off discount. Go to mapswhite.com and use the code white50, that's W-H-I-T-E-5-0, no space, or the discount. Justin and I, as you can see the notes that we sent over this morning, Sal, like four hours worth of content. Yeah. We didn't realize until recording yesterday without you fucking A how much you talk, dude. Yeah, dude. I feel so much like airspace, dude, it's amazing. Dude, I got all these messages from people, they're all worried that I'm leaving, you know, your five year contract is up. People actually believe that, I love it, dude. No, no. So we should tell the audience what's going on. So I got pretty sick actually, I haven't been this sick in a very long time and because it's a scary time, my symptoms are all, you ready for my symptoms? Really bad cough, low-grade fever, sore throat, all the scary symptoms. So I'm trying to do the right thing and self-quarantine, which means I can't be around you handsome fellows for the next couple of weeks, so we're gonna have to podcast through the phone one like this, so. Yeah, I don't know what to do with this weird boner. I don't know how to deal with it. It's better, though, than me just having to fucking talk to Justin. I tell you what, dude. Jokes are only funny when you say smart shit and then he follows it up with stuff. They're just not the same. Yeah, they're not as punchy without you. Yeah, I need the setup guy. Well, I mean, not a whole lot has changed besides the fact that I'm virtual now. I mean, I podcast naked anyway, so I'm still doing the same thing. Everything else is the same, except I can't really see your guys' faces, which, no, that's kind of sad. You guys are both very handsome. So are you, I mean, obviously, I know you're hopped up on all kinds of drugs and meds right now trying to mend, but how much of the news are you following right now? Oh, I mean, I'm looking at it and I'm reading it. And as of right now, it doesn't seem like it's blowing up in the US. So, you know, it's weird. I think we're gonna find out in a few months if this was a big overreaction or if they did the right thing. I don't know, because it's huge, right? And all the schools are closed for the rest of the year. Yeah, they sit till fall, which was pretty insane, man. I mean, that was crazy. I thought I was just gonna be for a couple of weeks and then it was like business as usual. So, I'm not gonna stream. I don't know, but like I said, I wanna do the right thing and I don't wanna get anybody else sick. I mean, poor Jessica, she got it too. So we're both at home just shutting things down and my dad's bringing us food and herbs and stuff. And, you know, what he does is he drops it off at the door and he leaves. So we open the door and then we go pick it up. So nobody wants to pick it up. So that's the policy right now. You know, obviously, I think the last statistic I read that 18% of Americans are dealing with layoffs already that's happening, that's sweeping the nation. I'm sure that it's going to increase. But there are some companies that are thriving right now, like your door dashes and grub hubs. They seem to be exploding right now. And that's the protocol is you order curbside or you order delivery and then they just drop it off at your house and then let you know, hey, it's at your front doorstep. Well, dude, my mother-in-law, she works for Whole Foods and, you know, they're a grocery store and everybody got raises. I know Amazon is looking to hire something like a thousand more employees because people are gonna be doing things online. So the economy is gonna take a hit, but some segments are gonna be crushing. Fitness space is interesting. The fitness space, I think everybody in the fitness space is freaking out because the gyms are closing. But online coaching, this could present, this could present a huge opportunity for online coaching. 100%. It's the time, it's, if you haven't, I mean, we've talked about this on the show for some time. I mean, it's what united the three of us trainers over five years ago was kind of seeing the writing on the wall that we're moving more into this, you know, virtual social media space and that we needed to establish ourselves there. And that's kind of part of the reason why we're at, we're at. I feel like now everybody in that space is kind of being forced to figure things out. But you're seeing, I'm seeing some really cool positive stuff. There's some trainers that are getting creative. Did you see what NCI is doing? I know, I don't know how much you're up on our news with them. No, I was just gonna, I was just gonna ask you about that because NCI does online, all online coaching certification. So I would assume that they are probably, if they're not crushing, they're going to crush, right? Because all these trainers are gonna be looking for online certifications so they can continue to service their clients. Are they doing it, what's going on with them? So they're offering a free webinar right now, how to scale your, scale a six-figure business. Wow. Virtually online for trainers. And it's a free webinar they're offering for our listeners. So that's really cool. It's on our partner link and I'm at the intro dugger. You will actually put it in there so people can go after it. But that's really cool. And so I think we're gonna see, I think a lot of people are freaked out in our space right now, but I think you're gonna start to see, some people start to figure things out. I'm already seeing some trainers. I mean, we have a lot of people in our community that own Prime, Prime Pro, anywhere, these are all at home, equipment free type programs. They're teaching their clients now, virtually that. So that's working out really well. Yeah, these webinars I've seen people kind of pop up with. It's a pretty cool thing too. So if you were thinking about going to a certification, I know right now they're kind of stopping that in terms of meeting and groups, but they're offering a webinar, a live streaming version of it instead for a lower price. And so it's like, you could still get the valuable education of it. I know that NCI I think was also looking into that because they were gonna come to our facility in San Jose. And I think that they're gonna be pivoting to something like that to offer as well. Oh, that's awesome. But I wanted to tell the audience just my experience, even this morning talking to you guys, because I've been at home sick and just whatever feeling bad about myself. And you guys are up at the house up in Trent. He's so nice up in the beautiful snow with a nice studio up there. And then you guys are like, oh, we're gonna be up here for another week, Sal. I'm like, you son of a, like, you guys even tell me. You guys are gonna be up there for another week. So I get on the phone. Cause I'm all, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm all inflamed and pissed off and you know, sick or whatever. So I'm like, why didn't you guys tell me? And you guys are like, look, we don't want to be around you. Yeah. We didn't know how to tell you. It's like, I don't want your shit, bro. But it made perfect sense. I was like, oh yeah. It's, it's, it's shut me up real fast. Yeah, it's not like we don't want to include you, dude, that's ridiculous. This sucks about you here, man. No, what's it like? What's the like up there? Is it, cause I know down here, it seems like, you know, normal life around here in San Jose, it doesn't seem to, I'll tell you what, I went to the doctors the other day because they were going to prescribe me some antibiotics because I was doing phone appointment with a doctor and they thought, you know, just in case I had, you know, if I get bronchitis, they prescribe me some antibiotics. So I went to the doctor's office, the pharmacy or whatever. And, you know, I'm not, you know, here's a funny thing too. I'm a hypochondriac anyway. So you can imagine what this is doing to my psyche. No, it was the worst possible person in the group, I think. I was like, oh no, our ambassador of health is down. Bro, so I had on, so check this out, right? So I go to the, I go to Kaiser or whatever. You didn't get suited, you did not get suited up, did you? Bro, is there a pics? You have to show pics. Bro, I had, I had on latex gloves. I had on this like mask, like, you know, when you go, when you do gardening, you know, that's the only mask I had, right? So I had a big garden. I had my hoodie over my head, you know, under any, under any other circumstances, people would have never let me in the building. I would have robbed the place. And I was in there waiting for my medicine, sweating my dick off because my stupid mask, those masks are not very comfortable, man. My face was all sweaty. And so anyway, I'm in there and this dude walks in with this like Darth Vader looking homemade mask, which looked crazy. Yeah. And he comes up to me and he goes, yeah. And I'm looking at the guy and I'm like, this guy has a weirdo, right? Anyway, he walks up to me and he goes, hey, where'd you get your mask? Dude, that's really cool. I like the way you're wearing it. I'm like, oh, shit, I'm, I'm the other weirdo. Weirdos unite, yeah. But it, well, so, so I've been doing a few things to treat kind of how I feel. So my, my, my Godfather is a, and yes, he's an actual Godfather, not like the Godfather in the movies. People will be thinking, yeah, whatever. But he, he's an herbalist. So he recommended that I take, he sent me some ginger capsules, some fenugreek and thyme capsules. I guess the fenugreek and thyme are expectorants. So they thin the mucus to help you, you know, get it out. Ginger is antiviral, anti-inflammatory. And so I make this tea with it and I drink it. And then I've been crushing the organified grain juice and immunity three times a day. So we'll see what happens here. But I'm still, still down and out. It's been what, five days now? Yeah, I got a bunch of shit. Did you see my story on the organified juice? I got a bunch of shit from people. People can't take it from me. No, what happened? People can't take a joke. Somebody asked me like, what do you do with limited supplies of food right now? What are you eating? They said rock star, gummies, and looking in green juice for balance from working. No, it's funny about it, dude, because we went to the grocery store and there's like nothing there. So it's like your choices are limited. We're eating like processed meat and stuff because that was like, all that was there. And so we've been down in the green juice, like crazy trying to just bounce it out. That's the healthiest thing we're getting in right now. It's crazy. Yeah, there's like some frozen vegetables, but not enough, you know, too. We've been trying to eat that, but like, yeah, this has been totally helping us. This is all like this, that part right there, man-made panic and scarcity. There's no reason for that kind of scarcity right now. People are just freaking out. Did you see the post that Barstool did? Like, I think it was yesterday, the day before, of the asshole that had like, you know, one of those big Mercedes vans now, Sprinter vans, is that what they're called? The one that we drove to the airport the other day, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But completely empty. It didn't have seats in it or anything like that. Filled to the top of fucking toilet paper, just driving around from store to store, stocking up. They're gonna be slinging it for like 10 bucks a roll, you know what I mean? It's the dumbest thing ever. It's not like we're gonna go out, we're gonna run out of toilet paper. It's like gold. Yeah, like, silly. I have one of those little bidets you attach to your toilet seat. Yeah. So I'm sad, man. If I run out of toilet paper- You went all Euro on us, huh? Yeah, all right. Y'all just be spraying it down and then just air-dry or whatever. Justin volunteered to wash my ass, so I'm good, so I hose him down every night. What are friends for? What a nice guy. Yeah, I don't know what I'm here for, dude. You can get it out of the hair and everything. I need a power washer for that. Well, you know what? Listen, there's no short, so here's the deal. There's no shortage. You know what I've been doing since I've been sick? Because I have, you know, I got food here at home that I'm saving too, but I'm like, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna door-dash. Every freaking restaurant is available for door-dash. Yeah. I've been ordering- I've been keeping like a king right now. Well, you know what, too, you know, a lot of, I think we've been trying to encourage, I've been trying to encourage people to do that to support your local businesses, too. Yeah. Because you're- Oh yeah. Makes perfect sense. Yeah, if you're a mom-paw shop right now that is used to having your restaurant doors open and you rely on foot traffic every day coming in and out of there, you know, a lot of these people, they're hurting worse than anybody else, so I mean, that's a big concern is taking, and that's a simple thing that we can do, right? Instead of freaking out over the grocery stores, I mean, order out for right now. Order out and support your local business. You know what I was speculating about, too, because the takeout is still doing really well that I wonder how many people have signed up to become an Uber driver. Like, if they've actually added, you know, new people into the system just to get some extra cash, like, while everybody's sort of on lockdown. I don't know if anybody's taking Uber right now. Would you- I don't know. That sounds like something- No, people aren't. Yeah. Because even in San Francisco, they allow that as one of the businesses to still be open. Yeah. Oh, yeah? Do you know what else happened in San Francisco? What? Oh, tell me, dude. So they put them down. They basically shut everything down, right? And initially, they shut down the weed shops. So they said, you know, yeah, no weed dispensaries keep those closed, and there was an uproar. What are we supposed to do inside? Yeah. Yeah. So it's one of the, they consider it one of the necessary, you know, businesses. So great. So you have the grocery stores, you have the parties. Don't take our weed, man. Yeah. And yeah, and you can get weeds. That was my one mistake. We left up in here in such a hurry. I got up here and at one point, Justin and I were sitting out, dude, wait till you get up, well, if you get up here at one point. The snow out here, I mean, we're probably in a good four to five feet. Dude, it's waist, if not up into the torso high. Yeah. And we were- Wow. At one point, him and I, we went out to, you know, cause he's got the kids coming tomorrow. So we went out to start building them a, you know, a little, what, a sled slide, whatever thing, right? So a man made one, right? So we're out there. A sled slide? Yes. Sled slide. You know what the fuck I meant, right? Yeah. It's like a toboggan run. Yeah. You know, it's like, yeah. So we're at- Cool running. Which was the fucking, that was our workout yesterday. Just walking through waist deep snow and then shoveling it and making this all for the kids. But then we're sitting there chilling. And I mean, it's just absolutely beautiful. You don't see another person in sight anywhere. It's completely desolate out here. But I didn't have, I said the only thing I was missing was a joint to smoke and totally left up here. So this is gonna, this was my unscheduled, my unscheduled break from marijuana had just happened. I didn't mean for it to happen. So- Well, you might want to stick to edibles and keep your lungs healthy there, Adam. Yeah. I know you, but you were telling me that like a week or two ago, but I don't know. If it's going to take me, it's going to take me, man. You know, I think- I think- You're so dangerous. Yeah. I know, right? He's on the wild side. Right. Well, we've definitely been getting caught up on our movies. I got Adam to order the Star Wars, the latest one that came out, and we didn't even make it all the way through. So we were kind of talking about that, that kind of spark conversation about, you know, how well the franchise was actually doing and, you know, all the numbers with George Lucas, because basically he sold the entire franchise for like 4.1 billion. I guess his net worth now is like 6.5. And it looks like the pivot now with Disney is to focus all on the streaming service. So Mandalorian crushed, and all of the latest like Star Wars have actually taken a hit, especially the last one, like got really low box office numbers. So they're kind of scrambling to kind of readjust and make it all like more focused on just the TV version of Star Wars. Well, you have to tell Sal what this started, what it was was a high conversation last night. Justin gave passed out edibles, and the reason why we didn't finish, We're not completely off. We didn't finish. We just completely lied back two seconds ago. Well, smoking, you know, it's different, right? So we're sitting there and we're watching the new Star Wars. And, you know, Justin, being the Star Wars nerd that he is, it's always like filling me in on like the backstory of, you know, this was JJ Abrams decision to do this and know he worked together, you know, all the stuff that you have to be a total geek to know. Everybody's getting really annoyed. And then I go, you know, if he did this, why did he give up all the rides? And of course, you know, he got paid $4 billion. And so it started this big debate or discussion between the three of us about, you know, at what point do you sell out something that's your baby like that, right? And like, how much do you have to be worth already to say no to a billion dollars? And so we were all speculating like, I said, if he was only a hundred millionaire before that getting $4 billion is still life changing for that person. But if you're already a billionaire accepting $4 million to give away your kid, right? Would you do it? Yeah. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. It would have to be an exorbitant amount, I think, especially for something like that. But I think, I think screaming is, it's gotta be blowing up right now. I mean, Netflix has gotta be crushing too. Cause I'm over here watching this stupid shit ever. Have you guys watched Love is Blind on Netflix? Did you see the meme? Tell me, I've watched it immediately, right? So have you, tell me you've watched the, or seen the meme going around for it? No, I didn't. Okay, so have you watched all of it or how far are you into it? Yeah, dude, I watched the whole damn thing. Okay, so you know what, she's Brazilian, right? The Brazilian girl, blonde. Yeah, that's a cute crazy girl. Yeah, yeah, the crazy. So she goes crazy in the kitchen and freaking out on him on that rant. And he's just like sitting in the bed like, listen to her. So there's a meme going around or it's like a, I don't know if you call it a meme because it's actually a video clip of somebody but they split it like a meme showing her and it's showing like girls that have memorized that whole scene and they're reenacting it to their boyfriends. Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah, like practicing that line. It's how bad it's kind of, we're fucking, yeah, we're reenacting Love is Blind fucking. What a trivialized show, right? Like they're just, oh, we're just gonna get married. I have no idea who you are, but that's the end goal, right? And then they treat it like- It's so easy, what's we're married. Yeah, and then while they're doing it, they're like, this is the biggest decision of my life. I'm like, then why are you on a show? Yeah, yeah. To pick who's gonna, yeah, but I'll tell you what, because I've been at home watching just garbage. I still refuse to watch Westworld, so I'm not gonna watch that. I don't know what's wrong with you. Like Sal, dude, like if I have any intervention, I'm gonna have it about this. Because you guys pushed me so hard. I know. Come on, man. Like, dude, every time we go traveling- You gotta do the takeaway close. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. We should have learned from that a long time ago. Well, we gave up. I think it just reunited this conversation because we watched the third one again and we were watching it, you know, going, why does Sal not like this? It's just so, so like- You can't be a science nerd and not like it. It's just got so many layers too. I just like when they take that much time to really string all these different stories together and make it like super epic, so. Hey, I know that Doug doesn't like when we get too political on the show, but I feel like it's a must we have to talk about. Feel like, fuck Doug is what you're saying. Well, no, I just, I like, I know you're sitting around watching it as much as we're watching right now and I know we all have both hardcore conservative, liberal friends, down the middle, libertarian friends. We, I think that you're probably getting as much as I'm getting between everyone like that. What is your take on how Trump is going to navigate to this? And do you think it's possible that he still gets reelected? Do you think he still wins out of this? Yeah, the odds that a president gets, that a current president gets unseated during a national emergency is extremely low. That's almost never happens. If you guys remember September 11th, before that, Bush had terrible approval ratings. Nobody liked that. Now, but the argument, the argument to that and that I've heard already that I'm gonna challenge you on is that people say that that's because, the reason why his approval went right, because he did something, right? Everybody wanted us, everybody wanted us to rally and say, fuck you and come after him. And that was kind of his response and that's what won over everybody. What I feel like what's happening right now with Trump is his approval rating really going up. Is this, I feel like more people are talking shit about how he handled it. And is it too early to tell? Yeah, no, I don't think it says, cause when in times of uncertainty, you don't want more uncertainty. You don't wanna try anything new. You wanna stay with what you have. It's human psychology. And anytime you go throughout all history, anytime there's a crazy national, you know, emergency, unless it was caused by the president that was in charge, they don't want, nobody wants to get rid of them. And then here's the deal. Trump consistently gets rated highly when it comes to the economy. And with the economy now, likely gonna be going into recession. Good luck trying to get him unseated. He's already talked about giving, did you guys hear about it? He said that they're talking about giving Americans like $1,000 a month. Like a check, yeah, in the mail room. Yeah, for what's going on right now. I actually just read that. That's confirmed, isn't it? I thought what I read said that it's definitely happening. Something like that. They're gonna be pumping trillions of dollars into the economy to try and keep it from crashing. I don't see him getting unseated right now with all this uncertainty, with all this fear. But who knows, dude, because the elections later on this year, who knows what it's gonna look like. But right now it's just, it's a lot of fear. It's a lot of, let's all do the stuff just in case, or let's prevent scary things from happening. I mean, who knows. Well, you got airlines and restaurants and casinos that are pleading for bailouts right now, similar to how banks were pleading for it back in 08. What gets me worried is that if all these massive mega industries end up needing bailout, I can't see us not falling into a recession. At least not a mini one, if not a big one. Yeah, and who's giving the money to them? It comes from us. Right, right, that's what I'm saying. I think it's funny that casinos want to bail out. I know, that's ridiculous. Please help us, we need to stay in business. We need to steal more money, yeah. I'm sure there's a lot of pissed off people when I screw you. You guys have taken enough of my money already. I did hear on a positive note in regards to the thing we were talking about with toilet paper and grocery stores that, that was just the initial wave of most of us Americans being idiots. And the grocery stores are already catching back up and I hear that that's gonna be all restocked. And most of these people that wouldn't botch it for the next fucking nine months aren't gonna need to go to the grocery store for the next month or two. So it'll be everyone, everyone that is kind of panicking if you went there like we did the other things and all we had was like, you're the toilet paper king. We get it. Yeah, I know, my mother-in-law said that. She said that it's, every day it's less and less busy. They're getting a lot of phone calls still, she said, but she said people are starting to calm down. You can't find certain medicines. Like you go try and find like Tylenol or ibuprofen and it's gone. Like what are people doing to buying like 15 bottles? I know, oh my God, probably. It's so weird seeing what people are doing out there. It's crazy. But what's weird to me though is like we don't have a shortage of any of that. Like, and that's all stuff that you normally could get delivered. I mean, I don't understand. It doesn't make sense to me why, I don't know. But obviously when something like this happens, a lot of people don't act very rational. And there were, yeah, I guess if this strings out and like nobody's getting paid and it's like at some point, like how do they pay for their food and all that kind of stuff, but. Well, I'm getting a lot of. And I'm getting a lot of DMs from people who are, you know, doing their workouts at home and finding new ways of training their body. I had one girl DM me and she said that, you know, she's like, well, I've been working at at home now for the last week because, you know, my gym closed and she's like, and I'm, she's like, my appetite is up. Why am I hungrier? And I'm like, it sounds like you needed the change in your body's trying to build muscle. I'm getting a lot of messages like that where people are actually noticing improvements in their physique because they were forced, you know, it's like, you know how it is, you get stuck in your routine so much because you go to the gym all the time. But now that you're forced, you have to improvise. But that improvisation gave you the novelty and the change that your body needed. And I've been seeing a lot of that. Do you remember when we, I just and I were just actually speculating about this, right? So we, a maps anywhere has been like our redheaded stepchild forever. I mean, it's been one of those programs that we were, when we finished it, we were most proud of and thought the thought that we put into that program reminds me of kind of like prime. There's just, it's got so many different elements to it that we thought through that is so unique to an at home program, especially for somebody who actually still wants to build and literally change it. It's not like a maintain or oh, if it's just for people that are scared to lift heavy weights. No, it's like, we remember we made it in three different levels to intensify it. And you know, we had, when we first launched it, we had a, you know, a smaller wave of people came through than we are having come through right now. And the response that we got was incredible. It was just that not a lot of people jumped on it because they didn't feel like they wanted to or they needed to or it wasn't a program for them. Now what I'm seeing is people going through it and we're starting to get those responses from that small community that we originally had when we launched it. So it's pretty cool to see that because I think that program for a long time, just. It didn't get enough love. No, definitely not. It's cool to see it. But you remember when we wrote it, right? I remember when we wrote it, I remember all the obviously every time we wrote a program we've always been proud of what we've created, but Maps Anywhere was up there with the way we felt about Maps Prime just as far as the creativity and thought for all levels of fitness that would be potentially wanting to work at home with no equipment. Yeah, we tried to ninja corrective exercises in there and ways to address postural issues, all kinds of things. That's an isometrics in it. Yeah. I mean, we just weaved it all in that program. We put a lot of thought in that program. So it's cool to see people using that right now. Yeah. And then there are a lot of people who have like your basic set up home gym like barbell, dumbbell, adjustable bench and maybe a place to do squats or whatever. If you got that, you could pretty much do anything. You know, you could do any of our almost any of our Maps programs, you know whether it's power lift or anabolic you can even do aesthetic and split strong. You just have to modify some of the exercises. You're pretty set. There's a few techniques you could do too if you wanna like if you're used to working out with like a million or one different machines or whatever, but now you're at home and you just have your barbell and your dumbbells or whatever. There's a few things you could do to change things up that doesn't require you to try a million different exercises. One thing, and I was thinking about this this morning a combination that oftentimes doesn't get done is heavy weight with short rest periods. A lot of people, we never think to do heavy weight with short rest. It's always heavy weight long rest periods but I've actually done this in the past where I've taken a heavy, you know like a heavy squat or a deadlift and I'll do like one or two reps and I'll rest 30 seconds and then I'll do another one or two reps and then I'll rest 30 seconds. I'll do another one. It's a very different feeling. So if you're listening and you have your basic gym set up with weights that's one way you could try working out. Almost no one ever almost never talks about doing heavy weights with short rest periods because and that's not the standard protocol but in terms of novelty, there's definitely some value. I've got some great pressure. You take like 80%, 75, 80% of your max. I love doing this with deadlift and it's a similar feel as like cluster setting. I just, it's a cool way to work out where you set the weight up like that with about 80% of what you can handle load and then you just do singles with 30 second to 45 second rest periods in between. It's great. Did you see to remember, you know back when you talked about the all day workout and like you're experimenting with that I've had a lot of messages of people are like, well, you know, I'm pretty much confined to my house and I wanna experiment with this and give it a try. And so like just revisiting that episode and I was directing people to that, how you did that and stuff and spread it out throughout your day. It's like just a kind of a cool fun thing to do if you're more of an advanced lifter. Dude, if you're stuck at home, I tell you what, instead of doing a one hour workout once a day right now while you're stuck at home take your one hour workout and divide it up and do three 20 minute workouts and split them up and watch what happens. It's remarkable. Splitting up a workout like that can really produce some pretty significant results. And if you're at home anyway, instead of watching things like love is blind, try working out throughout the day that way and the results are pretty, I did that like you said, Justin, I did that with free weights, but you could do that with body weight exercises too where instead of doing it all at once, you would at AM, PM and here's the other thing too. And this is for mental health. When you listen to experts talk about how you, to best survive a stressful situation, they'll always tell you to break up the day into chunks. So, if you're stuck at home for a week, then you wanna break it down day by day and then you wanna break it down. Okay, I'm gonna get to lunch. Okay, I'm gonna get to dinner. And the one of the great ways to do that, especially if you're a fitness fanatic, is you wake up in the morning, you do a 20 minute workout. Okay, my next 20 minute workout is at noon. So I'm just gonna get, just gonna do stuff and wait until then. And then here's my 20 minute workout and then okay, I got my next one at six o'clock tonight and it breaks up your day and it should help with the stress of isolation of being stuck at home, so. No, I plan to do that while we're up here. I think it's perfect cause we have it. Did you see, by the way, did you see Justin's platform coming together? I'm so angry right now, I swear to God. You guys are up there. I have to reinforce it for all your crazy deads, bro. Oh, it's gorgeous. It's that gym we have set up in there looks amazing. I can't wait to go up there and try it out. Have you guys seen the herd of the conspiracy theories around the coronavirus, by the way? Oh my God, it's just enlighten us. I've heard some, I wanna hear what you're hearing. Well, that it's man made for one, right? Yeah, so that's the big one, right? Cause there's this laboratory in Wuhan where the virus came out of that apparently they study viruses and they've got like 1,500 viruses there that they would ever and people are saying, oh, it was created by Chinese scientists or it was a man made or whatever. Well, anyway, they actually studied the virus and there was a, I can't remember who did it but it was a company that actually took the virus, studied it and they analyzed it. And so let me read it to you. It says here, they analyzed the public genome sequence data from the coronavirus, the one that we're talking about right now, SARS-CoV-2, and they found no evidence that the virus was man made and a laboratory. So they said they confirmed it was natural. Yeah, I don't know what to believe. I thought I, did you see the, if you haven't seen this, you should watch it. I thought it was interesting. One of our listeners and people in the forum shared a video. It was a link to a YouTube link. I'll have Jackie share it in the show notes but it was on our forum. If you haven't watched it, you should watch it. According to that video, it came from pigs. And according to that video and it's live, it's clips of them discussing and talking about it four months ago. So it's really, yeah, no, it's wild. You should listen to it. Yes. I thought it was from bats. Exactly, that's the bats. And then there was a Ardvark type creature that they said that they had tested that had the coronavirus in around Woonhawn in that wet market area. So I don't know, man, I don't know what to believe. You know what's weird is that doesn't it say, doesn't it say in the Bible to avoid eating pigs? Am I tripping? No, I don't know. I don't know if it says to avoid eating pigs. I think pork has been, I know some religions don't eat pork. Yeah, I know that, but it's weird. And I know they carry a lot of disease and I'm wondering if that's why it's in so many religions. Because we had the swine flu, H1N1 swine flu killed a lot of people worldwide, infected millions of people. That was a nasty one. And geez, if this virus came from pigs too, that's interesting. Yeah, well, but then we had what? The other one came from birds, right? Oh, that's true. Yeah, so we had the bovine one. Yes, right? The mad cow disease. Well, that kills my conspiracy. Thanks, guys. Sorry, dude. Yeah, because I love it. Hey, so be honest, what did it feel like listening to the podcast just today without yourself on it? Was it awful? Did you want to punch your... Did it feel awful or what? It was hard for me to listen to. Yeah, it was awful. No, no, no. You know what? It was actually a little emotional for me because I haven't missed an episode with you guys since early, early days. There's only one other episode that I wasn't on, and that was way back. And I don't know what episode number that was. It was before 100. So, but I also felt a tremendous sense of gratitude for you guys to be able to do that and keep things running. You know, mind pumps not going to slow down. I know a lot of people look forward to listening to us and we have a responsibility right now to help entertain people, take people's minds off of, you know, the seriousness of things and inform people on fitness and health. And so, you know, I was... And plus I'm sick, you know, and you're sick, you get a little emotional and weird, so... Yeah, go read the reviews. That always helps. Yeah, it was a... Yeah, yeah, that always makes me feel better, right? Go back and read the old iTunes review. It was a very interesting feeling because you're right, it has... Early on, we tried this out like really, really early on in the first, like, I don't know, I wanna say the first 100 episodes when we each were gone one time and that was different and weird back then. It was really weird now. You forget, and for me, it reminds me of, you know, playing sports with somebody you grew up playing with for years and then all of a sudden having to either play without them or with different players on the team. That's what it felt like. It felt like... Yeah, timing, rhythm, you know, it's totally different when you don't have the full team there for sure. Yeah, yeah, but I really appreciate you guys for holding it down. It was like, I haven't been knocked down like this in a long time and, you know, and again, just to do the right thing, it's, I don't wanna be around. I mean, you got a baby at home, Adam and Justin, you have two little ones and, you know, Doug's really cool. This kind of, Rachel's pretty pissed too right now. This is gonna fuck her Ambassador Health t-shirt launch that she was doing, so. Oh, hey, listen. I don't think it's gonna sell anything right now. You're taking on the diseases of the world. That's how I'm spinning it, you know what I mean? Listen, Ambassador of Health doesn't mean I'm immune. It's all about the bounce back, right? But although, although maybe it will serve us if we find out you did have the coronavirus and you survived, maybe T-shirt sales would do well. Yeah. Sal's got the antibodies. I'm gonna sort of extract this from you. I'm just gonna say you can harvest my antibodies. I'm just trying to figure out how we could spend this and actually come up out of this situation and I survived so we can continue to pay our team and keep going here, so hopefully make it out. It is weird though right now, there's like so many people who have the same thing that I had, like again, it's, here's the truth. The odd, the high odds are that if you're sick, you probably don't have the coronavirus. It's far more likely that you have another virus because there's, you know, right now there's millions of people in America with really bad cold viruses. There's way more people with the flu. So, and I'm not saying this to make people, you know, not go to the doctor if they have symptoms. I'm just saying, like the paranoia and fear can really fuck with you, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, because the odds are I was probably exposed to a cold or the flu and that's what I ended up getting. And, you know, even the doctor I went to, you know, said the same thing and is like, no, you're, the odds are you don't have that. You know, I didn't travel internationally. I, you know, I didn't do anything like that. I mean, aside from the bat soup that I had the other day, there's nothing else that. Okay, damn it, so. Yeah, so, but yeah, it's important. We got to keep ourselves sane because this is a weird time, man. And if we sit around and freak out, we're going to hurt ourselves, you know what I'm saying? Oh, I'm going to win everything. MAPS QUAL! Today's quals brought to you by MAPS Anabolic. 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And the truth is, no, most people don't quite need that much and, you know, the exact ratio per pound of body weight and muscle and how you exercise varies per person. And, you know, we can go down the rabbit hole of unpacking how overstated that statement can be. But what I have found from training clients for so many years is a majority of people just don't drink enough water. They drink sodas and other forms of liquid and just could, the advice of getting them to drink more water, I think, is overall, in general, very good advice. Yeah, I think that was the main thing, is that we all recognized how little our clients, like, would consume water and how dehydration was pretty much a common occurrence for a lot of people because they would, even in their workouts, if they're profusively sweating or, you know, and they're not rehydrating and they're not really planning ahead of time with their hydration, you know, can definitely get away from it. And even ourselves, have you guys ever, I mean, have you, do you remember the first time that you were like, oh, let me track my water? You know, because that's another one of those areas I think that everybody thinks they get plenty of. Well, I remember when you were going through your first, like, competing in your first show, that was the main thing, like, point you brought up. I was like, I can't believe how much water I can consume and should be consuming. It just goes right through, right to myself. Yeah, it's general advice, right? It's not specific, because if you get real specific, of course, it's gonna be different from person to person. And some people, it's actually dangerous to recommend that much water, right? Some people with certain kidney issues and heart issues, they might, they might, drinking too much water might actually cause problems. But for most people, the reason why you'll hear that piece of advice is because if you are drinking a gallon of water a day, you're not drinking soda, you're not drinking juice, you're probably not eating as much because what tends to happen is that we, sometimes we eat out of a compulsion and instead of eating out of compulsion, now we're drinking, also dehydration or lack of water can cause us to wanna eat more. Here's some of the effects that I've noticed from drinking, you know, making sure that clients drink a lot of water. One of the biggest ones is skin. People notice improvements in their skin, especially my female clients, they'll tell the day after and start drinking that much water. Yeah, I've noticed a lot, yeah. Joint pain is another one. I mean, one of the ways that you could, you could kind of gauge your own water intake if you wanna be a little bit more specific is by the color of your urine. A light yellow is what you're aiming for. If it's clear, if it's like your, yeah. If you're peeing water, then if it's clear like water, then you're probably drinking too much. And if it's really dark yellow or really, really strong yellow, then you're not drinking enough. So you want it to be kind of a light yellow, but I think this is general good advice. It's just you can definitely pick it apart, you know, when you go down to the specifics, but in my experience, I think like you, Adam, I've only ever had positive reactions from clients who I've encouraged to drink this much water. Because what they end up doing is they'll get their gallon of water or whatever and they'll put it in one container and then they'll monitor it throughout the day. So they'll take it with them throughout the day. And it just, it structures things. It puts things in good structure. And people who end up doing that, my clients who do that, almost every single one of them comes back and says, besides, you know, the fact that they go to more often, right? Which, hey, here's a side effect of that. Your steps go up. Well, that's so what we, we speak to behavior all the time. And I think that that's, this is another one of those areas where I see positive behavioral changes when I tell people that advice too. It's not just the science that supports, oh, we should be drinking more water for dehydration. Forget all that. Just it creates good habits and behavior for a lot of clients that I've told, hey, target a gallon. And I don't know if that's because it is. They're so focused on trying to get their gallon, their mind's not thinking about going over and grabbing snacks. Or I don't know if it's because they're drinking more water than they ever drank before and now they're peeing every 30 minutes to an hour too. I mean, it's probably a combination of all those things. But at the end of the day, I think it's generally good advice. And I can't stand when I see the science community that tries to shit on tips like that because it reminds me again of the, hey, when people used to say don't eat past six or 7 p.m. And then we come out and we argue the science because we know that if you eat a thousand calories spread out through the day or all beyond seven or before seven, it's not any different for us from your metabolism. But as far as good habits, it is a big difference because people tend to make bad choices after 7 p.m. at night. And same thing, if you're not focused on drinking that gallon of water all day long, you tend to make other choices besides drinking the water. What a great, what a phenomenal example you just gave Adam. That's such a great example because it's 100% true, right? Like, you know, don't eat after 7 p.m. Not because food magically turns into body fat after 7 p.m. But because after 7 p.m. you tend to eat foods that are, you know, bad choices. And if you're drinking a gallon of water every day, you're probably, this is the big one for me. You're probably not drinking other stuff. I mean, I've actually had, I can't tell you how many clients I've had who, yeah, I can't tell you how many clients I've had who've told me that they didn't like the taste of water. The first time I heard that, I remember it was like, I was like, have you guys heard that? I've heard that too, yeah. They have to have flavor. Oh, it's crazy. I remember the first time I heard it, I think it was like a year into personal training and it blew my mind. And then I kept hearing it. People are like, well, water, it doesn't taste good. You need to have something in it. And then I realized most people drink, you know, half of their fluids come from something that has flavor, whether it's a soda, a tea, you know, a crystal light juice, something like that. So if you're drinking a gallon of just water, you're eliminating that. And that's a behavioral change. So 100%, I agree with you, Adam. I don't think, sure, if we break down the science, probably not, but if you follow, if you were to take a group of people, let me put it this way, if you were to take, you know, 100 people and divide them into two and one side, we don't tell them to drink a gallon of water a day. And the other side we do, at the end of that, you're gonna find just better behaviors with the group that drinks the gallon of water because it encourages that. So that's really what it all boils down to. So, you know, do you necessarily need a gallon of water every single day? No, probably not. You know, some people need far less. Some people need more. But at the end of the day, when you promote that and encourage that and do that yourself, it's an easy way to positively influence your behaviors, which will influence your body fat percentage and your health in the long term. Next question is from Maritza3212. Are keeping pull-ups a good substitute if I can only do one or two strict pull-ups? You may have any value. Who picked this question? You picked this question. Yeah, man, you know why? There was actually like a recent interview and article with Greg Glassman actually like renouncing, like if he had to go back and sort of create, recreate CrossFit, he would have eliminated the keeping pull-up. But I mean, his argument for it was kind of weak. It was like, he was saying that it would naturally occur after you get really good at pull-ups and you were trying to do more of them, you'd naturally kind of get this sort of keeping momentum as you went to keep going, trying to get more reps. But for the most part, I mean, it's been proven it's very harsh in shearing. The shearing forces alone that you're putting on your shoulder is really very damaging. Yeah, okay, so I can't even believe people still do these. So keeping pull-ups have value for gymnast. That's it. Yeah, gymnasts need to learn how to do this. So it's not, the exercise itself, if it's done with perfect form, good stability, good control, just like any other exercise, it's probably safe. But here's the thing, a keeping pull-up requires more skill to do safely than a regular pull-up does. So it makes zero sense that you would teach a keeping pull-up to somebody who can't do 10 really good strict pull-ups. It makes no sense. You need to have the strength and the stability to be able to do regular pull-ups first. Then you need to have good shoulder mobility. You have to have good technique. You have to have all those prerequisites before you mess around with this ballistic swinging style pull-up that CrossFit popularized for some reason. Other than that, it has no value. It has zero values. And it's not a great way to get better at pull-ups. No, I can list five other better ways. Here, let's try this. Well, I was just thinking about this. You know, Doug, take this. I don't know why. I don't think we've actually done this. I think maybe because we think it's so basic. But if we get questions like this still, this is something we should address on the YouTube channel because I think one of the best things that you can do with someone who can't do a full pull-up, was just helping a client with this the other day, is you just take a band and wrap it around the pull-up bar and then put one of your knees in it. And however difficult five pull-ups is for you, you would base that off of how much strength or how strong of a rubber band you use to assist you. Well, you can even do and totally simulate one of those gravatron versions where you could take the band and then string it across where the hooks are for the bar. And so that way, too, you could stand on top of it and get that assisted help. So there's other ways to do it to be able to kind of get you to grade up to that where you could do it without any sort of assist. Yes, that's how I like to have people do it. I'll hook the band where the hooks are for the barbell. I've actually never done that, but that's a good idea. Yeah, it's an easier way to do it if they have those available. If you're looking for good bands, by the way, Rubber Bandits, one of the best brands of bands that we've... And we have them available on our website to very high-quality bands. So that's one of the best ways to do it. Here's another thing you could do. You could practice body rows. So body rows are where you pull your body to the bar, except you're kind of laying underneath it so you're more horizontal. And then finally, this is an easy practice. This is one of the most effective ways I've ever had somebody improve their strength at doing pull-ups. If you can only do one or two pull-ups, do one pull-up four or five times a day every day. Every day, walk by a pull-up bar, do one pull-up, and then do it again in a couple hours. And that constant frequency, well, first off, instead of just doing one pull-up, now you're doing four or five, you're just spreading it out throughout the day, but the strength gains that come from doing that are incredible. You noticed in a couple of weeks, if you stay true to that and you actually make the effort to do five single pull-ups, if you can only do one pull-up, let's say, and you make the effort to do five single pull-ups every single day, in two weeks, you'll see a huge improvement, huge. Oh, huge, you should get it. On average, I've seen clients add two or three pull-ups to their strength within a couple of weeks from doing that. And then, look, considering the circumstances, the current circumstances, yeah, yeah. You got a pull-up bar you could put in your doorway and you're at home, you're not doing shit anyway, walk by the pull-up bar, do one pull-up, and then go about your day and then maybe an hour or two later, do it again. You know, do that three or four times and watch what happens, but a keeping pull-up, terrible. No. Terrible way to do that. Just seeing that question, I was like, oh, we need to bring this up. I need to evangelize and save all the remaining crossfitters out there. Yeah. Next question is from Taylor Kinkel. What are your thoughts on combining a therapy practice with personal training? So are they, no, I'm assuming they're referring to, like therapy therapy, like talk therapy? Yeah. Oh, talk therapy or physical therapy? No, no, no, more like mental therapy. So are they actually a therapist? I think so. I mean, if you're actually a therapist, I think that's, well, let's be honest, we've talked about this at Nozom. I think it's a great combo. I think the majority of our job is that. Yeah. Oh, it's huge. I would be, that's such a, gosh, if you had a studio or a gym and you were a personal trainer, here's this. If you're a trainer, one of the most effective things you could do to make yourself just really, really good at your job is to have people that you're connected to that can augment what you do. So for example, you'd have like a chiropractor, a massage therapist, friends, people that you trust, right? People that do a good job. And another person would be a therapist. 80% of someone's fitness success is mental and psychological, especially when it comes to nutrition. When it comes to nutrition, I mean, it's almost all psychological. So, and I've done this before. I've worked with clients who've worked with therapists. And then what I do with the therapist is I then work with the therapist. So I'll give you a great example of how this provided me with a lot of value. So I had one client, this is a great example. I had one client who, she had a lot of body image issues and so we're working out in the gym and she went and sought out help from a therapist. This was the first time I'd ever worked with a therapist with a client. And anytime one of my clients would see someone else, if they informed me of it, cause she told me this, I said, you know, I would always ask if I could contact them so that I could talk to them about, you know, what would be appropriate and inappropriate in terms of my training. So I wanted to make sure that we work together rather than against each other. So I called this therapist and I said, hey, I'm working with so and so. I'm her trainer. And she let me know that she's working with you. Is there anything that you, you think I should look out for or whatever? And she said, yeah, she said, you know, don't refer to sculpting or shaping the body or anything that has to do with how her body looks. If you could just, just focus on function, that would be great because a real strong trigger for her is, you know, getting approval for how she looks. So, and it was, and it was so phenomenal. It was great to work with the therapist. So then I could change how I communicated fitness to this client and it became so effective. So gosh, if you could combine the two, that was, that's such a, I almost can't think of a better combination. Yeah. I mean, I even had an example of just, I had somebody that was morbidly obese that had a therapist in conjunction with training with me. And it was so nice to work with because it was, it was addressing a lot of like the root issues of what really, you know, the habits and behaviors that were resulting in that direction that I could then avoid like, like certain things like that, like you mentioned triggers and things to then work with them with their nutrition, but also like more keep them coming back to the gym and keep like slowly kind of progressing them appropriately. Well, I, I attribute, I attribute most of my early success as a trainer to this side. I think that, and I didn't, I don't know this is me looking back now, but I mean, I was in lots of counseling growing up with the childhood that I had. So we had a ton of therapy and counseling one-on-one, both family. And I think a lot of the skills on communicating that I learned from the therapist talking to me or talking to my parents or talking to me and my siblings are the tools that I had when I first started because I wasn't a great trainer. I didn't have a ton of national certifications. I didn't have a lot of experience. I didn't finish my kinesis degree. So I didn't, I don't think by any means was that my strength or what carried a lot of my success? For sure it was my ability to communicate and help people on the therapeutic side more than I think the actual, you know, fitness and nutrition side. So I don't know. I don't, I think without it, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. And so like you said, so I don't think I could think of a better practice to potentially partner with to accelerate your fitness training growth. Well, I'll tell you what, if you look at, if you were to examine a trainer and, you know, through the years, obviously as they become more experienced, they become, you know, better and better and better at helping people achieve permanent success. Now, where is that coming from? Is it because the trainer is learning a ton more about exercise or is it because the trainer is learning a ton more about their ability to communicate this side of it? You know, now, if you're a trainer, of course, stay in your lane. I'm not saying you're a therapist, but it's your ability to communicate with your client, which is, you know, more on this side than it is on the personal training side. I mean, I would say 10 years later as a trainer, I definitely knew more about exercise, but most of my bat more, the value that I was bringing 10 years later, a lot of it came from the experience of how to communicate to my clients and work them through some of these issues. So therapy, what a great combination with personal training. In fact, when I had my personal training studio, that was someone I was constantly looking for to work in my studio. I never was able to find anybody, unfortunately, who would rent space in my studio, but that was always number one. It was like, okay, if I could find a good therapist who specializes in working with, you know, nutrition, eating disorders, body image issues, that kind of stuff, oh my God, that would be so valuable, so. Next question is from Kuchina, Carolina. You guys have discussed the importance of mobility work, but what should you do if your lifts are affected by hypermobility? So hypermobility refers to, it's like you're hyper flexible and you lack stability. Okay, so someone might read the term hypermobility and think that's a good thing, like, oh, you're super mobile. No, okay, so when we use the term mobility, we're referring to your ability to move through a full range of motion with strength, control, and stability. Your ability to move through a wide range of motion without strength, control, and stability. That's problematic. That's like a baby, right? So if you take a baby, you know, you could, a baby can, they can put their foot next to their head. You could do all kinds of stuff with a baby. They're super, super flexible, but they're not stable, that's why a baby doesn't look flight. They would hurt themselves, right? So how do you work around that? Okay, believe it or not, you actually have to shorten your range of motion. So when I've trained people who, and this is not very common, by the way, it's usually the opposite. Usually when you work with most people, they're tight, but I've had a few clients that were hypermobile and what you do is, so let's say the average client, I'm trying to push range of motion, trying to get better mobility. With someone with hypermobility, I'm having them squat to parallel. I'm having them, you know, shoulder press, stop before full range of motion, hold that tension, slow the reps down. I'm trying to create strength within short ranges of motion. Once they have that strength in that short range of motion, then I lengthen it a little bit and then I build strength there and then I lengthen it again and I build strength there. So what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to add strength to their full range of motion, but I'm doing it incrementally. Hope that makes sense. Yeah, no, that definitely does. I've had clients too that were dancers or like a cheerleader who had like real hypermobility and just getting the control was everything. And so to then really mess and manipulate the tempo was really a helpful tool to go through like lunges or squats or anything overhead press, but I'm doing it with a very slow tempo, especially on the eccentric and control, and then also stopping and having them hold isometric poses. I was just gonna say isometrics make their future. That was a big part of the protocol for the majority of these workouts was a lot of isometric, very specific angles that I felt like we're trying to get that natural strength curve to then respond and then to really gain access to that and stabilize the entire body. So also like having that split stance was something I worked with a lot to then add load to and be able to hold and sustain positions. Well, I don't know which one of you picked this question, but definitely with what we've been talking about with maps anywhere, to me, this is an incredible program for a person like this. Because of the isometric component, the stability component, the laying a good strong stable foundation with body weight movement type exercises first, it's much safer for you to do it there and build good strength to set you up to then load bars later on. So I think a really good place for somebody that has like this crazy dexterity like that or flexibility and mobility, but they lack the actual strength through the full range of motion, maps anywhere is a phenomenal program for that. Totally, and you see this is more common in females. You see this in women more often. Typically the way this presents itself is you have a girl who's really flexible and she has a really strong anterior pelvic tilt causes low back pain. And so, they're like, oh, I got to stretch more. Like don't stretch. That's the last thing you want to do is static stretching. What you want to do is get your body into good positions that feel good and then create tension in them. That's what we're talking about is creating that tension in each position. So think about connecting through your range of motion by flexing the muscle. And here's how you know you have hypermobility issues besides the fact that maybe you have some pain. You have trouble connecting. So you'll get into a position and you'll see, like, again, I've trained people like this. Well, they'll do a squat and it's like they'll fit in a squat. It's just like their joints are supporting them. They're not their muscle. Slow everything way to hell down. Normally we recommend people do anywhere between three to four seconds on a negative. I'll take somebody with hypermobility and I'll have them do 10, 15 seconds negative. Like you are going slow. We are going to go light. We're going to connect to this entire range of motion. And then build muscle. Of course, as you build muscle and strength, you'll find that you're going to be far more stable. You're not going to have as much pain in those areas. And it's way down the road that you're actually going to train in really full ranges of motion. So, and I want to make a point of this because we communicate so often about training in full ranges of motion. And that's because hypermobility is a rare. So we're talking to the general population. But if you have hypermobility, don't train in your full range of motion. Your full range of motion is dangerous. You're not trying to squat as far as you can and do your flies as deep as you can. Because you're so mobile, you're going to hurt your shoulders or your hips or your knees. You need to train in a shortened range of motion. This is one of the few times you'll hear me say that. You need to train in a shortened range of motion and your reps build that tension. Once you feel comfortable with that new strength, then you can test it a little further. But don't test your full range of motion. That's way down the line when you've built lots of strength and stability. Well, I can hear it right now though. There's a lot of people probably going like, am I hypermobile then? And I think the answer is, if you don't know you are, you're probably not. Yeah, if you're like Lucy, Gumbi, if you're those people that can sit on the floor, on the floor with that runner, what's that called? Herdler stretch. Or you just sit in a squat, like Lucy, Goosey, if you kind of, it's typically somebody who's weak and hyper flexible. So like you could totally touch your toes, like no problem. You could sit, like I said, Herdler stretch. If you find yourself most comfortable in these weird awkward positions on the floor, again, this is more common for females. And you don't have a lot of strength, then that's probably you. Other than that, it's not super common. Dancers, you find this sometimes in dancers, although I will say that certain dancers, they're hypermobili- Yeah, they're strong. A lot of dancers are strong through that range of motion because they've been dancing. Yeah, I was gonna say, exactly. You know where I've seen this too? Sometimes people who do a lot of yoga, but they don't maintain tension in the yoga poses. They do like these long stretches. That's right. But to be honest with you, most of the times I've seen this, this is people who just, they're just like that. They're just born that way. Yeah, born that way, yeah. They don't even work out. They just come hire me and I do an assessment with them and I'm like, holy cow, you're ridiculously flexible. So we have some hypermobility issues. We're just lacking strength. And with that, make sure you go to mindpumpfree.com, download some of our guides, books, and resources. They're all totally free. You can also find the three of us on Instagram. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin. You can find me at Mind Pump Allen Adam and Pump Adam. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at mindpumpmedia.com. 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