 Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy ECO and I'm here with the lovely official Miss Jamaica. Hey, what's going on? You all right? So, man, we got a guest today, y'all. You know, I like to, sometimes I like to reach back in my roots, you know, a lot of people don't know me, but this guy knows me. It's been about four people on this podcast that knows me, that have known me, you know, but people evolve, you know, I don't want to leave me back down in Lodide and on that old trailer house. You don't talk about people evolve, man. Hey, man, Charles Colbert is here, Reverend Charles Colbert is here. What's going on, brother? Hey, what's going on, man? How you doing? Man, I'm blessed, man. And highly favored, man. Yeah, yeah, don't get it twisted. I'm highly favored. I know, I see favor on you. And I receive that. So what's been going on, man? So, in case people, what we do here is, in case somebody don't know you and haven't heard of you, just tell us a little bit about yourself. Well, I'm just a little country boy from Linden, Texas. Okay, okay. In the house. In the 59 South. As they asked the question about, is there anything good can come out of NASA? Man, man. Somebody asked the question, anything good come out of East Texas? I say yes. Well, you're getting excited. You say East Texas? Man, that's my thing. I've been bringing people up here from East Texas. Yeah, East Texas, where is that? But you know, we go way back from East Texas, little country boy and went to college in Tyler, TJC. Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out TJC. Yeah, and kind of wowed out there and didn't do what I was supposed to do. Yeah, yeah. And you know, got caught up. As you shoot as a young man, it happens. Yeah, and then. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Got caught up in what? Just clubbing. Clubbing, you know. Come on, man. Drinking. All that type of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, just yelling, yelling, wilding out, you know. And I was going to transfer to, I want to go to Grammar. Let me tell you what happened. One night, it was me and some of my, it was non-Greek, look, I pledged, it was non-Greek. Yeah. We did our little thing down there. Okay. And we had a little frat house. Okay. Yeah, y'all down there, what they call it when they haze them, is that what they call it, baby? Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they don't do it that much as well. They don't do it at all. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, we're getting trouble back there. But anyway, that's when I felt a call on my life. Okay. And a lot of people don't believe in me. God can meet you anywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was drunk. I was high, you know, and we had, you know, women and every all that type of stuff. And and I just, just, just clear. I just heard the Lord say, you know what? You don't you don't need to be doing this. Wow. I just heard him like that. You know better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it didn't, you know, when you first, a lot of people think when you first receive a call or you hear the voice, you know, you change right then. It was a process, not still. Yeah. And so I was planning on going to Gremlin. That's where I wanted to go. Then I just said, when I, when I just felt that I said, no, I said, I need to go somewhere where, where there's no party, no football, no basketball, none of that type of stuff. And then the vibe just popped up. Okay. Okay. And I said, well, let me just go on back. Okay. I went to Dallas. My dad lived here. I didn't meet my father till I was 15. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why you were raised by your mom, by yourself? Yeah. Well, I had my mom and my stepfather. Yeah. And well, really my, and my grandmother, you know, that was really my, my, my roots, my, my mother got pregnant in when she was going to Jarvis. Okay. And, and so that's when she met my, my biological father. Okay. And, and I was, you know, for years, I thought my stepfather was my, my father. She didn't tell, you know, no, no. Okay. And so about, when I think about five or six years old, I was watching, I lived a long ranger down in the woods where I wasn't on 59. I was deep down in the woods. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was, she said, you know, that's where your daddy from. I say, what? And then that's when I guess she just kind of broke down to me. And so I was like, man, I wonder where he had. And, and then my aunt one day, and I was 10, yeah, sophomore, about some more year, my aunt called, she lived out here in Dallas. And I said, you want to meet your father? On your dad's side? Yeah. No, my aunt, my mom's sister. Okay. She called and said, yeah, I was doing my homework, man, in the kitchen. I was like, she said, well, let's talk to your mama. And I said, okay, man, I was excited and stuff. So I guess you gave him the phone number and everything. And I called and man, I was just so excited because you always want to know who you look like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Things like that. My mom's closer. Closer. Yeah, yeah. Because you don't look like your mom. No. Well, you know, I was, no, not really. You know, some people, I was on my grandfather, my mother's father, you know, he was tall, something like that. And then when I met my dad, met this side of the family's brothers, I was like, oh, yeah. I see why. I see how I was cutting up so much cause of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. That's the way how you were raised. You never knew that that was not your father. I mean, you didn't, you weren't lacking. Right. You're, you had a father figure in your life that was a good father figure. You know what I mean? Well, I won't say that we had our issues. We are issues. I'm gonna be real. And that's my testimony. Even your children will have issues with their real parents anyway. So, you know, you're gonna have issues. Yeah, we had issues. It was tough. It was tough because there was a lot of stuff going on. But it made me better, made me appreciate. It gave me fuel to be a better husband and a better father. Yeah. And even when I met my real father, he gave me a great example. He's going to be with the Lord now. He passed on right before Father's Day a few years ago. And, but I learned a lot from him. Did you do the typical, when you met him for the first time, ask him why he wasn't there and all of that sort of stuff? Let me say, I'm trying to, I had that conversation with my kids the other day, not too long ago. But not really. It was like, because I knew the story. It wasn't his fault. My mom, okay, when she found out she got pregnant, he was, okay, he got drafted. You know, he had to go to Vietnam at that time. So, she wrote him a letter and said that, you know, she's pregnant. And he wrote, he was excited. He came. He was, you know, he wanted to come and they said he came and they went out, you know, I guess he was, he was, he always told me, he told me the story and it was always consistent. So, I, you know, I believed both of them and because their stories was the same. They seen each other and like, you know, that was, that was a long time ago. So, I was like, they could say, when he came, when he got the letter and he came back to, to the States, he came to East Texas. He said he was scared of my grandfather because my grandfather was tall. Yeah, he was real quiet. That's the one you got to watch. But he was, he said he was got a nurse. But he took me in the car, took my mom and he said he had me in the lap, in his lap and he was driving and kind of talking. He wanted to marry my mother. And my mom said, no, because she felt that she didn't want him to, she think that he wanted to marry because she's pregnant and she didn't want that. So that, that was the story and so he left. But still, you know, you still kind of want to, like, man was still, but I let nothing, you know, like, I was like, like when I got kids, I'm like, there's nothing going to let me suffer. I don't care what it, what's going to happen. You know, so. Did he know his father? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. His father knew each other. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Most definitely. But he also had a stepfather as well. Okay. But was him and his father close? Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe after you've seen him later, you don't know what happened during the time when he was younger. No, I just go about the stories and some of my uncle, his, I mean, it was a close family just at his, my grandfather and my grandmother, they just didn't work out, you know, and she remarried, he remarried. And so I met all the family, all the stuff. My wife, when we got together, I'd never seen her. She both had her biological parents. So she never had my wife. Okay. Yeah. So, but I didn't. Yeah. So I have like, but I call it a blessing because I had like, I call like four grandmothers. I done seen four grandmothers two biological, you know, from what? Yeah. Two steps. Yeah. And so we all got along uncles and aunties. So it's kind of like, you know, and when my, my wife got into the family, like, well, who's, who's, who's that? She wanted to know how long you've been married now. Oh, 20 years, man. 20 years. You got a, you got a beat by a few, but we come in, we're going to be right there two years. I wish she could be here, but she's, yeah, yeah, we had asked for it first. Yeah, she's, she's getting a master's. She's getting a master's always working again. So we got this counseling thing going. So, so you meet your father, everything, you know, everything is what it is. You know, after you turn 15, you get to, you, you, you, after that, you get out of school, you move to Dallas after college. Yeah. When I got to call T.J.C. Yeah. And then I stayed with him to go to DeVry. That's when y'all started talking. Yeah. No, no, no, no, I was coming when I was 15. I was, I don't know if you remember, but I was leaving Linden and go to Dallas every summer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then sometimes on break. So, so y'all did get to me and y'all, y'all men did that. Oh man. I mean, and he was nervous too, because he said, he thought I was, you know, you're going to dislike him. Yeah. Or, you know, I want to come back or what, man. He was like, why? When he saw all my clothes, I was like ready to get out of Linden. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I want to go to the city, you know, and then met my brother. Yeah. I found I had other brothers and things like that. Yeah. And his sisters on his side? No, no. He, she died. They told me she died when she was a baby. Wow. Wow. So, so now, now fast forward to, fast forward to now being in the ministry. Yeah. Being a pastor. How long have you been at, at that location? Okay. Or, or yeah. Or was it, is that the only location you ever preached at? No, no. Well, I was called into ministry in West Dallas. Okay. He's, he's going to be with the Lord. Superintendent, I'll call him Superintendent Hunter. Okay. That's why I got saved under. Okay. And, and, and learn a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And I was, I was, I was 20, my, my daughter was just, I was 26, 26, 25. You were married? Yeah. I've been married before. Okay. So this is your second marriage? Yeah. He's trying to figure it out. Yeah. At least she was getting married. I was getting locked up. Yeah. Yeah. It's a difference. I had kids too. Right. But it was just, I wasn't thinking about them like that. Yeah. I had a previous marriage, didn't work out, you know, I didn't want to be married to a preacher. That's what she told me. Yeah. There's nothing that I did. It was, it was in a very dark place because I wasn't planning. Who, who planned the marriage? So, y'all met before you got called. Y'all met before you got called to be a preacher. So it kind of threw her off when you told her you was, you was going to turn your life over to God. It kind of turns people's, you know, when you tell people, like I remember when I told my people, I was just family members. I wasn't drinking and smoking. This was 20 some years ago now, almost 30, and they looked at me and laughed so hard, you know, but I'm laughing now, you know what I mean? I thank God for a change. I understand metamorphism. I understand how it is to be changed. And I don't let what people say predict to us. I learned to have some tough skin in Jesus. You got to. I don't really care what people say. I let nothing separate me from the love of God. He over there in Romans. Yeah, because he knew, see, and I love Paul, you know, because, you know, he, like I tell people, he was on his high horse when he got knocked down. Yeah, yeah. You know, he thought all this way to Damascus. And he had an experience, an encounter, and I believe that what made him say that. That's like, it's just like a high fear. I let nothing, you know, it doesn't matter what people say. You got to have tough skin. You got to. You can't, you can't be afraid of what people think. And everybody don't look the same. That's the cold part about it. Even in the Bible, Peter and Paul had two different things going on. So did, uh, Pilemon, you know, even when he was called, you didn't hear much about him. But at the end of the day, he had something going over there in Colossae, and he ever did. He had a little money called Onesimus was his, you know what I mean? Was a runaway slave. Right. Right. When you think about that, you know, you see his ministry. I love people like him and Ananias. Cause Ananias, and I'm not talking about the Ananias in Safari. I'm talking about Ananias, the one that, yeah, the one that just came to Paul. Because you don't hear much about him no more. Just like Onesimus and Pilemon. You don't, you don't hear about him. See, that's me right there. See, I'm here. And I love God, but I got my thing going. And it's between me and him. They came and they served their purpose. And they served their purpose. That's important. You know, and I think you got to look at those people, not just the ones who, you know, most people going to pull a John out, or most people going to pull a James out or somebody like that. But the ones I look at is the ones that you don't barely see or hear about. We didn't know where Ananias come from. Think about that for a minute. That's right. That's right. Where'd he come from? We don't know. Never was told. Or even the person who wrote the book of Hebrews, who they'd say alludes to it, that it was Paul. We don't know. We don't know. But at the end of the day, whoever he was, he was happy. No, that's what this show is about, man. I mean, therapeutically, I feel like what we say, what we say behind these microphones, basically is something that's healing, right? For somebody. And we get, we get feedback, people calling. That's good. And that's the thing about it. I think we should take every opportunity to educate people, to make people laugh, also to, to be with people when the city is hurting. That's important. All the stuff that we're doing is something to give people a place of hope. You understand what I'm saying? And that void can be filled, because there's so much in that, where that void needs to be filled. People don't really even think about it. You're like, well, my cousin said, man, what are you doing up there with the podcast in the store? You don't even call me for clothes no more. You just, you just going on that podcast. I said, because it's for me, and you know how I feel about it. It's a place where people can come. See, you don't know, we done prayed in here already. We've been already doing that for years. That's your ministry. Everybody got different. Every ministry is not behind the pool pit. I tell people that. Yeah, yeah, definitely. You know, and, and so just like Paul said, everybody is, it doesn't matter if you just, it's a pinky, that whole body. Oh yeah. We talked about that last night. It's important. Because I guarantee you, if, if you step on my pinky, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's gonna hurt. It's gonna hurt. And each member serves a purpose and no member is greater than the other. That's right. We all going to get our penny. That's right. Because we all work together. I be tripping, man. You always be like that, man. You say you've changed, but that's something they change. I mean, you know, I think, I think the character has just been perfected when it comes to God. He just, like you said earlier about the money, not only does the money amplify the issue if there's an issue, he'll amplify the money or amplify other things, but the Holy Spirit. It takes you somewhere too. You see what I'm saying? That'll evolve your character, man. In a way to where God can use those things that. Exactly. God turned it to good. You know what I'm saying? You remember what Joseph went through? Yeah, man. What you meant? What you meant? You meant for evil. God turned it to good. I flipped the script and turned it to good. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. And I think a lot of times people get it twisted because they'll try to put you in that box. Like when you go home and you've seen it. People be like, man, they'll come to you. That carnage? Yeah. I seen you at, I seen you at Big T, I think that one time. Yeah, it was a good time. We had a good time. That was probably about eight, nine years ago now. And we chopped it up. It was just like we was in high school. I said, man, that boy still got a good heart. That's all right. The minister part didn't think about none of that. It was just love. You know what I'm saying? That's where it be at when you really, when your spirits connect. You know what I'm saying? You don't be tripping on no hate or ill will or none of that. You're just happy to see somebody that you know that, hey man, that was a good dude. When I used to be in school, we would talk or say something passing or me and Michael's hanging together and you might be with Carlos or one of them boys. Or Dana, man. You know, shout out Dana, man. You better be falling balls talking now and watch out now. You tell him I said that. The whole data. Yeah, yeah, you better be on, you better subscribe and like. What question you got for that? Now remember this guy as a minister, so we don't want to take it easy on it because you're a friend of mine. I want you to do him just like you did Reverend Rodney Taylor when he was here. Give him something that he can, you want to hear the backstory or something. Get with him. Oh my God, okay. So what's up with the church, man? I mean, have anybody ever, I mean, you've seen some things go on in the church. Oh, yeah, yeah. And you know, I tell people all the time, it's a building. The word Ecclesia means to be called out from among them. That's right. We have to teach people to understand that God resides in them, but you do not forsake the seminary yourself. So I get that part. You know what I mean? But we want to make sure, like I told Reverend Rodney Taylor, shout out to Reverend Rodney. He said, man, why don't you come up here and, man, you could come up here and teach that in my place. Man, in the church, I think he in Oak Cliff somewhere. I said, let me tell you something, man. Why don't you bring all those guys here? I shut the store down and yet all of them can come in here and we could just talk about God because I want to take them out of the comfort zone. I want to show them that God's everywhere. Because Jesus, when he, he said, man, the harvest is beautiful, the labels are few. I think we need to try to educate our people more. And I think COVID shook people out of their comfort zone. See, because they had to get out here and deal with it on their own. It was a lot of people that, they had a, even me and you, you had to step and stare at each other for a minute, like we got to deal with these kids and family and our issues now. Yeah. Yeah, we got issues. My wife and I, we say this all the time. You know, we have a counselor said we, we big on marriage, big on marriage, even though I'm a pastor and, and, you know, there's, you know, these different things that you hear about, you know, the after this won't be this. It's whatever God called me to do. That's what I'm going to do. I'm following God. But because I always say this, I don't want to stow, I mean, a mega church and a stowfront marriage. Okay. And I've seen that so in the church where people so want to just be able to manage their, you know, they, but that's, that's flesh. Yeah. You don't want to be a superstar, but I ain't no star but Jesus. All right. But, you know, they sold and they leave their family behind. And that's one thing I said, I'll never do because that's my first ministry. Before I do anything else, that's my first. So my wife and I, we, we started a counseling center. Okay. And now, you know, I'm certified, even though it comes with the territory, I've been doing, you know, counseling, you know, there'd be my members or whatsoever. But we took it to another level where I get certified. Now I certify people that want to empower other couples and get their certification. And now my wife, like I said, she's getting a master's right now. She's already got a bachelor's of Christian counseling. She got more degrees than at the moment. But that's what it takes, man. Because I always tell people that every day struggle, we are all human beings and no matter what, and no matter how someone's relationship or someone look perfect from the outside, whether it be a pastor or just be a great couple that's been together forever. And they're like, Oh my God, it looks so in love. They don't realize that you're going to have your ups and downs, no matter who you are. And it's an everyday struggle because the devil is going to attack you every single day. Every day. And even those mega preachers that have the big, you know, and have the storefront marriages, they started out not like that, but they graduated into that because the everyday struggle defeated them instead of them trying to defeat that every single day. So that's really what it is. That's good stuff, you know. And COVID, like you said, COVID, it exposed a lot of things. It did. Right now, I mean, our business have went up and we're talking about the church right now, but I'm talking about the marriages and our counseling. I mean, we get calls every day because now people is trying to see who they really are when they got married. Yeah. You know, they haven't been, they've been at home for like about a year now and they're working from home and now they got to face each other. Yeah, yeah. You know, and the kids and all that other stuff. Yeah, you got to have a personal relationship. You got to be deeply rooted. The one thing I like about you is the fact that you say you all are counseling and I know that you all love God. And so many people counsel, but they don't know God. And I try to tell people all the time God is your counsel when you get caught up in the wrong situation because if a counselor don't believe and he don't understand God, you know what I mean? Right. No, I don't think I want to be counseled by you. No, yeah. I'm being real, but it's a lot of them out here and people are telling everybody about mental illness and they want to tell everybody you got to get counseling and they don't put God in it. And I can't play with that when it comes to what God has brought me through. So when I see you and you're talking about, and she'll tell you how I am, if you come on here talking about your counselor or you go to a counselor, who do we believe in? Yeah. Because I don't believe her. Now, I ain't telling me you got to do what I do. Right. But I'm just telling you, I don't get out with just anybody talking to me and putting things in my spirit. Yeah. You got to be very, very careful and have some discernment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we've just been blessed where, you know, people have been calling all over DFW. Yeah. And right now, like I said, my wife and I, we've been doing it for a couple of years now. And so when they call, they're like, you know, we're really just like your spirit. Yeah. And everyone that said that, you know, we saved their marriage. Wow. But God said, we just helped them. He just helped. Well, my wife and I said, we always tell them, we're just the coaches. Y'all the players, y'all in the game, we just cheering y'all on the sideline and trying to navigate and guide y'all. You're just the vessel that God's a uses. Right. Yeah. Amen. Amen to this. But it's so crazy the way how, yes, pandemic has affected all people because it had to slow everybody down. This world is designed not by God to go so fast. Everybody's moving so fast that they forget about the most important things, which is the family, the us time, building relationships, having, you know, because at the end of the day, if you lose your job for you, what do you have? People are so, I'm going to school. I'm going to work. I'm doing this and doing it and not, and by the time you turn around, your kids are grown. You didn't spend that much time with them. And I've always said, I didn't realize these things till I lost my dad. Because when I lost my dad, I started to think about what is it about him that I remember? And I was blessed to always, I was a tomboy, so I went hunting with him, fishing with him, all of that my brothers didn't. But I was the one who wanted to do everything with him. And I remember all of these things that I did with him. And so I started thinking about, okay, I want my kids to think of me that way, think of us that way to be able to say, oh, we did this together, we did that together, because we spent that time. But we're raised here in the States to say, okay, create a good life for your kids, work, work, work, make all this money so that you can have some relief for them. That's monetary stuff. At the end of the day, they can lose all of that when you die. The thing you said that was important was designed not by God. Not by God. So that's the part was what you got to get. You got to understand, I always say you got to understand the difference between the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. If you don't understand how to discern that, then you can get lost quickly in the sauce. Because a lot of people, they get lost in error, because there's an erotic spirit out there that teaches people the wrong way, that project God the wrong way. The Bible says for such a false apostles, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel for Satan himself is changing to an angel of light. No great thing if his ministers be transformed also. So we know that this stuff is happening. We know that people are put in places to try to take away from the things that God would have us to do. So we have to be focused enough to understand the spirit of truth. If we don't have that, then we're not connected. Exactly. See, even if you're in the Word, you can be misled. When you look at Romans chapter 10, he said they had a zeal for God, but not according to the knowledge. You see what I'm saying? A lot of people have zeal. You can have a zeal for God and be really thinking you're doing something the right way for God and totally be off base. Solomon said in Proverbs, it's called ignorant zeal. See? So zeal is good, but you got to know how to... Yeah, these people thought they was really connected to God. And they wasn't. And I think... When I think about that, I think about you're growing up, whether in a church or in a building, and you raise a certain way and you have that love for God because that's what you... They placed an end to it. They told you about it. Mama told you about it. But as a kid... But you never got it for yourself. But Mama told you about it. Right. But as a kid, like I'm only talking about me personally, I was not sitting down studying and getting a revelation with God through his Word. I was just listening to the church, listening to the preacher, and getting bits and pieces here and there, but until you can pick up that book for yourself and study it and really realize what God is saying to you and what he was saying to them, whether it be to the... Paul was saying to the Ephesians, to the Colossians, you know. And then try to relate it to today's society, to your life, then you're not gonna really have the knowledge. Exactly. You're gonna have the zeal because you know what's wrong from right, what's good and bad. You're gonna have that zeal and love for God, but you won't have the knowledge to back up your everyday life. And that's a bad thing because the Bible says my people are destroyed for the lack of knowledge. That's true. So that's not a good thing. That's a bad thing because at the end of the day, you can be destroyed for not knowing who you are and your Lord and Savior. Exactly. Exactly. It's important. It's important. If your life depended on it, if you knew you weren't gonna have nothing to eat for the next seven days, you wouldn't be sitting here acting like you were good. You'll be trying to get nephrenic to find something to eat. And a lot of Bible, because this thing is not tangible but spiritual, it confuses them. Yeah, yeah. You see what I'm saying? They tapped into that spiritual side, yeah. And people don't realize, you know, there is a spiritual side. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what you feed the most is what's gonna show itself the most. So if you're just feeding your flesh, that's all you're doing. So when things like this, a pandemic comes, you're all like out of bag, out of balance and everything. But when you are feeding your spirit and you know that God said, these things, these signs and things are gonna come, then you know, you don't, you don't have not given us the spirit of fear. Right. You know, so. Exactly. You're gonna have fear because we are human. You know, even Jesus, when he was at the garden to get sent to me, because he was walking in human flesh as well, as he was 100% God, 100% man. But in the flesh, he said, he fear came over. All right. Because when he said, Lord, let this cup be passed, that was fear talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then he transferred his fear to faith. Amen. Because he said, nevertheless. Amen. Not in my way, so when we as believers, understand, you know, sometimes fear will come in, but just for that second, but you got to learn how to transfer that into faith. Amen. You got to move from fear to faith because I know everybody was afraid of this pandemic because it was the unknown. Nobody knows that. No church is closing. Well, you know, I come out without, I had my mask on, I wouldn't let my family go out. I come out without, I had my mask on, I wouldn't let my family go out. It was just me. I go out and get the food and come back. Same here. Yeah. I ain't trying to hear that. You know, I don't know what this is. Let me take the first hand. Real men did. Now, if y'all got a man that didn't go out there, now let's just talk about that for a minute. If y'all got a man that he didn't go out there and y'all had to go out there and get that food during the pandemic, you might ought to check your mate. Checkmate. You know what I'm saying? Listen to what I just said. All my listeners. Because that really means something. I remember when I was little and we were standing right there behind Michael Mama House right there with some trailers back there. You remember that? And we stayed right there in them trailers and I remember, you know, we didn't have no food. And Willie Melvin. That was his name. He didn't go now. Him and my mama had hitched up and that old boy went out there, boy, and he went and got us some stuff. He walked to the store. He had to walk to Pigley Wiggler or something. You know that old Pigley Wiggler down there by Ellen Bruns. He walked down there. He come back with them sacks, man. He walked and he came back and that's what a man does. That's what he does. A man pulls a get up and go out there and figure it out, man. It's a proverb that also said that a man, a slothful man, is told to go out there and he say, there's a lion out there. Yeah, he won't even raise his hand up to it. You know, talk about this stuff in proverb. Because you can be slothful when it comes to us as men. There's a difference. And I know a lot of times I've been told everybody they can do this and they can do that. And that's the devil too. A lot of times they projecting these things sour people and it's not right. You know what I mean? And as men of God, we supposed to say something. We can't be like Adam. You gotta say something. You gotta say something. And that's how big his problem. Men will not say something a lot of times. I've seen that happen. You've seen it too. Oh, man. They won't say nothing. They just said it in a living room. Everything. So how many times a week do y'all do Bible study at your church? Uh-oh. She's gonna get it. She's gonna get it. She's gonna get you. Yeah, no problem. To my before and after. Post. How many times? Yeah. Well, okay. Wednesday night in the Word. Right now we're doing virtual Bible study. And now what we're doing, my wife, you know, to keep everybody connected because we are back in person worship. We came back June, the third Sunday in June of 2020. And so, but when we came back, we're still in phase one because we opened up in phases. We just have Sunday morning worship where we all come back from 10 to 11 to 90 minutes of worship. And then Wednesday night, is the Wednesday night in the Word, is on virtual. But now my wife is now doing a women's group, a books Bible study. So that's on Thursday. And I'm bringing back Men Monday, where I have all the men. Yeah, yeah. And we do. We call it like locker room talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We also mentor young adults, trying to navigate the older men and trying to help the younger men and send vice versa. So you can say we have a corporate Bible study where everybody get fed on Wednesdays. And then we have something for everybody. The women have theirs on Thursday with my wife and then the men on Mondays. The one thing I've always said about the pandemic, yes, you know, I'm sorry for all the lives that were lost during the pandemic, because that is a tragedy. But the thing that I do love about the pandemic is the fact that there are more Bible studies being held in today's society. Because I've always said that church, when you go to Sunday church, you know, the building and so forth, that people go there and they sit down and listen to this preacher preach. But a lot of them, it's like a motivational speech. They're not really getting fed the word as they should be. As in, when they go back home and they need to know themselves how to study this Bible, how to study the word, not all, because I usually always hate when people come to me and say, oh, my pastor said such and such and such and my pastor said such and such. And I'm like, okay, what did you get from what you read? Oh, no, my pastor said such and such and such. I'm like, did you read it yourself? Did you get an understanding for yourself? And I always feel like they're not all churches do this, but a lot of them do. They're leading them to follow that person, which is, yes, that's a shepherd, but at the same time, lead them to when a pandemic, if they were teaching them how to study this word themselves, and not so depend on them. That's right. Then when this pandemic hit, it wouldn't be such devastation in their own hearts. I agree with you. You understand what I mean? I definitely understand, because that's why I try to teach them, I'm people, you know, it can't always depend on me because you can't always get the pastor. That's right. But I've heard pastors say that, you know, and this is a funny thing, and I do understand that, but I'm like flipping on everybody. They said, okay, if you check on Bible study days, you have, okay, you have 200 people in the church on Wednesday for Bible study, you might have 20 people or 10 people turned up. That's right. That's right. But I'm like, okay, so why don't you flip it? Sunday, everybody come out ready to hear them. Let's trick them and have Bible study on that Sunday. So I'm teaching in aspect. What it is, I mean, you know, this is one thing, and it's another, you know, like I said, the pandemic was hard because a lot of people lost jobs, like lost loved ones and things, but also a good thing came out of the pandemic is to use our God-given creativity. So I don't, you know, hey, we have Bible study anytime. I sometimes I'm able to do it on a Saturday. You know, sometimes, you know, try to break out of that norm and that traditional part. But yeah, that is true. That's why I always call Wednesday night believers night. Amen. The believers would come. Yeah. Because they want their words. Sunday was not enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they want to get, you know, guess, you know, Sundays, because we've been trained in our mind that Sunday is just today. So everybody come. It's tradition. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. A lot of people need to get out of that tradition of doing way of, you know, serving the Lord. I believe that's, I mean, it's easy for you to say that now that you, yeah, you know, but when you was 20, you didn't say that. I know, I didn't say that. So I think sometimes we'd be so hard on these youngsters. And I remember when I was 20. Somebody had to open up. I ain't had it come from down that hill with that Bible. If Alvin come with that Bible, I was going to put my beer up and I was going to wait till he left. And he'd be talking. I'm like, man, I can't wait till he leaves. I can get this joint or this blunt. I'm under. You see what I'm saying? But then we get older. I ain't gonna say how old we get a little older. And we decide we going to be Christians, you know what I'm saying? But we ain't going to think about all of the stuff that we went through. And I think that's something we got to do in order to help people. We got to meet them where they at. We got to be able to understand how to create a bridge instead of a wall. And we got to help these young people to see that it's okay. You where you at? But God can get you right there. You know what I mean? I really think that. Well, you know what it was going to take is us being real. Yeah, yeah. 100, you know. That's where you came from. You see how I call it? You say 100. Yeah, 100. Yeah, I do it all. But we got to. Yeah, you got to be real. You got to be transparent. Yeah, that's what I want to transparent. I don't mind. Y'all keep saying transparent. Mine's algorithm. But y'all go all single tracks. You got to know the algorithm. Y'all, you got to be so transparent. I hear you. Because people relate to you more when you, when you not act like you're all the way up in and that you, you know, you started out here. But you have to know, like, for me, God has changed my life. Whereas I'm not so anal. No, not about that part. And I'm not so anal. Like I see you doing something wrong or I see and I'm coming to you and say, Hey, the Bible says XYZ or I'm talking to you and so forth. And because I love you as I see you as a brother in Christ and I love you. I want you to change right now. I want you to do what I'm saying because I know that what I'm telling you is the truth and it's good for you. But I've realized that planting the seed and leave it alone and let God do his work because we don't know what God has in store for you and what you have to go through before. Because I've realized that whatever you say to a person, don't think that they even subconsciously, they still hear you. They may not realize that they've heard you, but subconsciously they have. And whenever it's time for God to bring that back to their remembrance, it could be 10 years down the line. They will bring it back. Well, you're looking at it. You're looking at these two. When you say, you think about it. That's why I say with my kids, that's why I tell people in my church, leave the young people alone. Because, listen, just because they writing those or texting themselves, it's the word. When the word go out. I love to give my child identity. Shout out to Anthony. R.I.P. Anthony V. Shout out to Anthony V. She took me to Ebenezer and she sung. Are you with the Ebenezer? Yeah, down in Lowdown. She took me to Ebenezer and she sung loud. And everybody was looking at us and that was so embarrassing. Shout out to Anthony V. Wallace, man. She took me up there, man. And everybody, all of them, you know, all them hounds and loves and Hodges, them new ones right there, boy. Back in the day, they give it to you. But let me tell you, the Bible is right. Train up a child in the way you should go. And they won't depart from it. So, you know, we had some detours. Yeah, yeah. You know, you had your... Yeah, yeah, bump in the road. But when it came and that light came, it brought back everything. And I remember the whole spirit came back and brought the stuff when we was young. You know what I'm saying? So that's why it's so very important to train up the child. Just like he always say, he said, Anthony V or anybody would say this and say that because he was listening. He might not, he might be waiting for them to leave so he can go back and talk and drink. But he can repeat everything that they said back then because you were listening. Yeah, let me ask you a question. Is it Reverend Charles Colbert? Just Pastor Colbert. Pastor Colbert. Let me ask you a question, man. So have you ever... Your John Mark and Barnabas moment ever happened? You ever had issues with anybody? You know, John Mark and Barnabas had issues with Paul and they went back home. That was his sister's son. You know what I mean? Oh, John Mark. Oh, John Mark didn't want to act right. And so have you ever had that type of situation to work? And I just want to be real for a minute because we can't be... I mean, where you went another way because you and this person just couldn't figure it out. We got to say that for it. I come from a different side. I'm always flipping and moving around because I want to help somebody. Somebody might have gotten with somebody and went through those situations. Because I look at the Bible as a way of, okay, if it happened with John Mark and Barnabas and if it happened with Paul and him and they went different ways and later on they linked back up. Well, Barnabas didn't. But John Mark, in 2 Timothy, he'd say, hey, tell him to come because he's good for the ministry. Have it been a John Mark, Barnabas, Paul moment? You see what I'm saying? It's not good. Is that a good question? You supposed to be like, hey, that's a good question. Yeah. That's a good question. Yeah. No, with me, we got disagreements. You know, we have disagreements, but it's how you disagree. Okay. And a lot of people think just because you're Christian and you don't have these issues. Yeah, you don't have these issues. Yeah. You have issues, you know, especially when you got denominations. Already. You know, that costs. One denomination says, well, I want you to do this and I want you to believe this. Yeah, I don't want you to wear no dress and I don't want you to wear no makeup. I can help you a little bit. You need some help. Don't come up here. You wear a hat whenever you're praying. Not even that. I'm just saying these are different. We don't listen to music. We smoke cigarettes outside. You know, all that. Let's go. So you have your disagree, but you got to understand, we're still part of the body of Christ. So we got to be careful with that. Okay. The Bible said, and I think I taught on this a few weeks, he said, if it is possible, follow peace with all men. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. No man should see the Lord. Talk about it. If. But see, that's the key word. If, which means it may not be possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it wasn't part of it. Try to have peace. Yeah, but it. See, a lot of people skip that word. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I saw that in there, I like came on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So you're going to have to learn how to handle disagreements, conflicts. That's it. But do it the way God, God. Because we are, we still. People don't. You know what the funny thing is? Go ahead, man. Um, when everything that I've seen, it's always because of tradition, the way how people think, the way how people do. Right. And or somebody said to me once, a long time, it gave me this analogy of it. You say your mom always, you know, fried chicken in, in, in a skillet, in a certain type of skillet. You've always been doing that. Cast out. Cast out. Cast out. I don't cast out. Yeah. And you're like, okay, when you got older, you got your own place, I'm, I'm going to go buy a cast iron skillet to do the same thing. But you never ever asked her why she would fry that chicken in the cast iron. Mm-hmm. It is. But you just did it. And it passed down from generation to generation doing it, but nobody really asked why. So the same thing with these denominations and all of that. Um, could I grew up Anglican? But, um, and people passed it down, saying that you better be Anglican so you can't go to no other denominations or whatever. But, and they could follow in these traditions and not realize where the religions came from, where the denominations came from, and all of that till I was blessed to go to a Christian college. And they do Bible history. Yeah. And when I started seeing where all of this stem from stem from, I'm like, oh, that's man made. I'm like, I don't worship man made stuff. I'm like, and that was even before we even spoke about certain things. I just got that in history class. And ever since that, I was like, oh no, I'm not Anglican. I'm not any of these different denominations, my follow of Christ. And I love him. And that's all it is. The Bible says that you Paul say you're in Christ. He never said you're even a Christian. That's what he would say. If any man be in Christ, he starts to say that, you know, let this same mind be in you. That was in Christ Jesus. You know, you see what I'm saying? It's a way that you can love God and it might not look like everybody else is doing it too. I mean, but they still love God. You know what I mean? But when we were reading, sorry, when we were reading Corinthians the other day with Paul, I realized that division was some even back then in the Bible. And we know division comes from Satan. He comes right and division. Tradition can be a part of division because of all of these different traditions that's passed down from generation this sec this sector. That's what killed Jesus. Yeah, yeah. You see, even with racism, that's a division. That's a tradition that's passed down from generation to generation that nobody is willing to change. Some have, but not everybody. Well, the thing you got to understand when you say that division, that's how the first Corinthians chapter one and 10 and he goes on into that. But the division came, but then it goes into chapter two and they start seeing why because they started looking at Paul and looking at a policy trying to compare the two and be a carnal carnal. He said, are you not yet babes? And then as they done that, when they got over to chapter three, he starts to tell them about how to build a wise master builder. You know, and basically he was a wise master builder Paul said. But he said, Paul is would come and he would build on that foundation. But he said, you had to be very careful how you build on that foundation. And when he said that, now you got to think about what he's doing. He says that some build gold, some build silver, precious, no stone, precious wood, hail stubble. I'm paraphrasing, but at the end of the day, when it said that he says that all the work would be tried and a lot would be burned, but they work would be burned themselves. They themselves would be saved. See, this is stuff that we don't, we got to look at it and understand that there's a way you might be doing this and doing that. It might not even be worth nothing, but God still got you. Ain't that good? I mean, you got to be honest. Because I'm so glad. I know I had some stuff in there that had to be burnt on out. But you will not know these things until you studied the Bible for yourself. Show yourself for proof. Exactly. Well, let me take it up a notch. You know, what about the Hebrew Israelites, the guys that we met in Chicago when I seen them out there chatting and the people who've come to me and you've seen the people that come to me? What do you think about that and as far as the belief system of the fact that we are the Hebrew Israelites, the black people are the Hebrew Israelites, and we the true Hebrews? Where do you go when people come to you with that? Because I know they do. Yes, some come to me. What do you say? I mean, to me personally, I do believe that we came from Abraham, the Hebrews. I believe that, you know, that's my personal opinion. Of course, as you should. I mean, if you want to be, why not? You know, that's a game changer. Right. We all came from Abraham if we are what we read the other day. And if you be at errors, but it don't really matter. That's the part that I want to get to is it don't really matter though. The reason I say that because, well, it did matter to them because they flipped and made them white. But at the end of the day, it don't really matter, you know, because Gentile, you know, Jew or any of that pretty much didn't mean anything. When it's all said and done, okay, this is what I tell people, like the Jews, you know, we, they were God's people. It still is. As we were Gentiles. No, I don't know about that. You just said we were Hebrew. I mean, when we were Hebrew. You confused with me. No, I'm a Hebrew. I'm a Jew, too. I know, I know. But what I'm saying is, that's what got Nick Cannon kicked off a while ago. No, I'm not going there. I'm not going, I'm not going that way. No, I'm not going that way. What I'm saying is, is that because they didn't want to follow the, you know, believe Jesus. Yeah, yeah. And give this a bit of a, I'm just talking biblically. Yeah. And so that's when Paul came and said, there's no Jew. Yeah. There's no Greek. Me or no FEMA? Yeah, no. Because when it's all said and done, when we leave this earth, to me, what I read and what I believe, I don't believe Jesus is going to say, because you've been a Baptist, because you've been a church of Christ, you've been this, you've been that. He just said, well done. Yeah, yeah. Now good and faithful servant. That's all I want to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how I get these titles. I get it. You're not going to say bishop, Reverend, you're going to say what they call you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're so easy. Yeah. But see, here's the thing. I want to go back to that question again, because I really, I mean, that question is really geared toward the fact of someone that may be being manipulated or misled in the feeling like because they are Hebrews and these people don't believe in Jesus, see the Hebrews. If you go and look at it, a lot of the guys that's saying that, they only believe in the Old Covenant. And it goes back to the fact of, and it's nothing new because it was people, even the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Sadducees didn't believe in anything, really, about the resurrection, but the Pharisees and the scribes, they believed in the Old Covenant and the Old Covenant alone. They didn't believe Jesus was a Messiah. So it's nothing new. Yeah. It's the same thing, really. And so there's a, I think there's a, a zeal for God, but not according to the knowledge once again. It's the same exact thing. Right, right. So that's all I was asking because I was just asking because it's a lot of hurrah going on with that right now. And there's a lot of people being pulled away from Christianity. And, and I've gotten those calls, you know that. And, and people have said, how can you believe? I said, look, I'm riding with Jesus now. She says, oh no, I'm talking to the people in Minnesota. And they say, I said, look, I'm riding with Jesus. Have you, do you know him? And the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his suffering. Do you know him like that? See, a lot of people don't know. And then when somebody comes to him with a little knowledge, they can mislead them. But somebody like me, they can't come. When they come with fancy words, that's really what it is. Well, you entice them words, but just the whole covenant on hold. If you stop before Jesus and you don't believe in the resurrection and you don't believe that Jesus has came, you turn back into that same situation that is Ishmael. Yeah. Thinking that he was the chosen one. Right. Or, or, or, heck, maybe even Esau. Right, right. You know, God didn't come through those, but they had children. Exactly. But you know what? The Bible, if we can see it every day, we see it on New Orleans, it's fulfilling itself. Yeah. It's fulfilling itself. Yeah, I agree with that. So many people have been deceived, like when Paul wrote the letter, he said, who, who, who fooled you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, who bewitched you. Who bewitched you. That's it right there. Who bewitched you. Yeah. Like you said, with the, with all the stuff that's going on. Yeah, yeah. You know, you, well, you was raised, but see, but it goes back to what you were saying. They never had them for themselves. Right. They never asked where they never went deeper in their life and what he came to do, or in the word. Yeah. And so if you know the word, you just see all this stuff is just, the Bible is just fulfilling itself. We shouldn't be shocked of anything that's going on. Amen. You really shouldn't. What do you say to that young person? I asked you this question. What, what, what would the, the coordinate COVID of you, you would you buy 49? Yeah. 49 pushing. 50 May second. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What would you say to the 21 year old Charles Colby? Man, I thought it was funny. I was thinking about that. You know, you had a child. You get to talk to him sitting right there. You know, he ain't going to listen to you. He's going to look at you like, what? In fact, I'm trying to tell my name, say I got a Charles Colby, Jr. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, I want, I got a couple of things I want to say about that too. Okay. Okay. But, but I'm going to let you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I would just tell them, get some wisdom. Yeah. Catch wisdom. Keep it simple. Yeah. Just get wisdom. But right. Because if, if I had the wisdom at 25, 21 that I have now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, listen to, no, because I did listen. I did. I hung around with my grandfather. He was a good dude. And all the old people I did. Yeah. But there was certain things that I just, I busted moves too quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and, and then just, I wish I would have just been God more. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in my twenties. Yeah. You know, I'd like to say I was pretty good dude, but I was still a rascal. He used to laugh at me. No, I was a rascal. He had him coaxed. Charles, uh, you know, them coals. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I used to cathecoal. I used to mic, cause. Shout out to cathecoal. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Oh, you cry. But yeah, that's, that's good stuff. But, I just wisdom. Yeah. Yeah. I just wish, uh, good wisdom. When it comes with time, though, wisdom comes with time and, and going through things. So even when a young person, and you hear them talking, they sound so wise, but they haven't been through anything. Right, right, right. You know that, like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and that's the thing is, uh, yeah, you do have to go through. Like, uh, I would say this is some things I try to protect and guard my kids from, but they got to carry their own cross. Exactly. You know, I think, but if, but it's still, but if I can just get some of our young men and young ladies to get, just catch a hold of some of the wisdom, you know, that can save some time, some years off their life. Yeah. And it has, I have seen some, uh, where we have the, what we call, um, young men of valor. Yeah. Where we, we take and mentor young men. We have some great young men at our church and grow up and done some great things. And I saw some of them. They caught a hold to it and are doing good things. I think it's important, man, to, to, to cherish those moments for sure. You know what I mean for is when you dealing with these, these, these circumstances, situations, have you, I mean, how many, uh, how many times do you, do you get those calls at night, man? Do you get those calls at night? Very seldom. Okay. Okay. What you're coming with? What just calls of people, you know, uh, had going through it, you know, being, being at the people that's depending on you. It's, you know, you know, uh, uh, I tell most pastors that come in here, you know, the good shepherd is willing to lay down his life for the sheep. See, see, there's some Highlands now. Don't play with me now. I'm watching, I'm reading, I'm listening, and I'm sinking deep into the word. And the Highland, when the wolf coming, he's going for it, but the good shepherd, he'll stay with him. He willing to lay down his life for those sheep. Go after the one and leave the 99 behind. He'll do whatever for those sheep. Yeah. Now, what I mean by, uh, seldom, um, I get calls. Okay. No, you tell my, when you said late at night. No, you think I'm not a woman, man? You talking about a woman, man? What the heck, Ron? This man mind is way over there. I don't talk about no woman, man. No, I was talking about, uh, you know, uh, it's very, it gotta be like a 9-1-1. I had a couple of 9-1-1. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some serious, serious business going on. Some things going on with kids. Yeah, yeah, that's serious, that's serious. But yeah, I get a lot of calls all the time. All the time, just, you know, like, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you make yourself available. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, cause you have some churches that you cannot reach the preacher at all. You might reach the secretary, the secretary, secretary, or, you know what I mean? Yeah, I know. But no, you know, we, we're small, man. So I'm, I'm touchable, you know. Everybody know how to, you know. But that, but I love people. I say, if you get close to me, I don't know if you smell. I smell like sheep. Cause I'm a shepherd. I know that's right. Cause I love my sheep. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I get down there with them. You know, I sometimes, you know, like some of the brothers, and I know it. I'm getting older. They say, you don't need to be doing this. But I can't help it cause it's who I am. I get, I get dirty. Well, I think. You know what I'm saying? If it's, if it's feeding, we have outreach ministry. I mean, feeding, whatever it is. I'm involved. Yeah. I pray. Yeah. That's a good question. You know something, something fast, don't pray. Yeah. Well, I'm asking. Do you, are you guys doing stuff in the community? I didn't even ask you that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You guys, when COVID hit y'all, y'all, y'all fell back. Did y'all fall back? No, no, ministry never stopped. I mean, did y'all, y'all didn't go out to the people and started trying to help the people who was going through it when the, when the ice was on the ground? Let me tell you something. Did you help anybody? Let me tell you something. We gotta think on Matthew 25 alive. All right. Outreach. That's all we try to do is do Jesus' message. When he said I was hungry, you fed me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was naked, you clothed me. Yeah. When I was in prison, you visited me. Okay. Ministry don't stop. We don't make excuses. We make adjustments. Now, if I don't ask this question, people are going to get mad at me because I always like that. You know it's a deep one. Oh, okay. We could get into that money now. We could get into that bag. You know, Judas Iscariot carried the bag. Now, let's talk for a minute here. You remember my bag? Yeah, I want to know about the money part of it. Okay. I mean, are we really, really, you know, I'm different type of guy. When I look at Barnabas and the way that the ministry was in the New Testament, he made sure that was balanced. Yeah. Is your ministry balanced over there? Are you making sure everybody is, nobody is going without that, that everybody is, you know, pretty much I'm not going to manipulate these people. Yeah. No, I don't. You understand what I just said? I don't believe in being slick. Yeah. Nobody speaks of that. Yeah. Because that's all I have to ask that because my fans, they know I'm tough on these, all the ministers that come through, I have to ask them about that because in the New Covenant, it touches on a lot of things, but tithing is one that's a really old Covenant teaching to where it says you will be cursed with a curse. And some people teach people that they curse today. So we have to be careful. I believe that you should be given from your heart. That's what I feel. I mean, the woman gave too much, she gave all that she had, really more than a tenth when you think about it. Based on your relationship and your love for God, that you're going to give. I don't pressure people give, especially now, as I always say. The way things are going. I say, hey, those of you that the pandemic doesn't hit hard, don't worry, we got you. There you go. But those that have been blessed, come on, because that's how we're able to bless others. No, I get it, I get it. You got to be blessed to be able to be a blessing. How can you bless somebody if you're not blessed? If you're broken. Come on, I'm just going to be real. Yeah, no, you're right. But the thing is, just you say, you got to be a proper balance. And so, yes, we have what we call our, we have an outreach center. Okay. We have clothes, you can come. We have IGs or anything. Do you have to sign an application to get your bills based? Be honest now. No, no, we're not that mad. Come on, you got to put. That's what brother called me to say. We had to sign an application. That's what happened. No, I can't speak for nobody else. Just saying this happened. I just know what we tried. I'm just saying this happened. I know a lot of this happened. And my people say, hey, we gave everything we had to them. When it came down to, we needed help. We couldn't get no. Yeah, hey, I've heard of that. I've heard that. So these are discussions that they sometimes can be. That's why some people like to only go to a smaller church. They don't want to make a mega church because they run into those problems. Well, but at the end of the day, I think a little bit of the small churches do things too. I'm sure they do. I'm not for to sit there and play with y'all. You know what I'm saying? Because I know already, I went over to a guy's house. I got kicked out of his little small church because I told him, you know, that he needed to go to work. I said, for man, don't work. He should not eat. And they keep, he kicked me out. He kicked me out. He kicked me out. He kicked me out. I like to get kicked out because I ask a lot of questions. I get up and say something. If I don't agree, I'm kind of disruptive. I ain't going to lie to you. But at the end of the day. You're going to be to the side. That's the first time. That's the first time. You know what? You know the rules. The second time, I'm going to expose you with one somebody with me. I was about to say you got to have somebody with you. And the third time, I'm in there with, hey, man, y'all let me tell you this. But no, I think, and that's scripture. But I think that when you, it's not an easy job. No, it's not easy. When you say I'm called to be something of a leader, and I'm very hard on leadership. You know that. We're going to take, God said to the prophet, he said this and he ain't said nothing. I'm all over that thing and he's equal 13. But I'm being real with you. I think that a lot of times we're so busy trying to act like everybody doing the right thing that we letting people be misled. So I think certain people are called, just like Paul, just like John said, they started off with us. You see what I'm saying? Many are called, but few are chosen. Correct. But the thing I just want to say is that ministry didn't die out for us being in the defense of the gospel. Did you hear what I just said? Paul did it. John did it. James just was talking about you. James would say stuff to you or to me. But I'm telling you, Paul, and when you look at Jesus did it, he would call you out about things that was contrary to God. And I think we can't sleep on that. And I think it's a place for that. It may not be your ministry. It may be mine. So everybody has a thing that God gives them. It may be something that frustrates your grace and you have to say something about it. So it's a good thing. That's why you do think about it. I mean, God always did it. I mean, think about it. He used Paul. Paul, his nature was different than Peter. Correct. For sure. You know, they all had different. And so that's why we need everybody. Yeah. That's why we don't need all this fighting. We need to be together and come together as the body of Christ. Amen. But like you said, yeah, it's not an easy job. I always say it's one job that I wouldn't recommend, but it's one job I wouldn't give up. There it is. But I like the fact that they had so many different personalities because when we as individuals read the Bible, we can identify with, oh, I'm a Paul or I'm a Peter. Yeah. Or even earlier when you said Jesus, when he was on earth, he was man. So he showed weakness in some areas. He showed the things he showed how a human should be here on earth in following his footsteps that he didn't act like, oh, I'm so perfect and I'm so this and I'm so that. And I'm untouchable. You know what I mean? We have not a high priest that cannot be touched by the feelings of our infirmities because he knows exactly when, when I was in a dark place in my life, that's the one thing that it was my faith that got me, man. It was my faith where I knew the will of God and what I was going through was not his will. So that's where faith kicks in. See, that's why you got to really know your heaven. I was just in my car and I was just crying and I just told the Lord, I said, Lord, I know this is not your will. But one thing I do know, I know that you know exactly how I feel. That gives me comfort. So when you were going through that, was that after you were saved in a pastor or before? I wasn't a pastor. But I was saved. But have you cried since you've been a pastor? Yeah. Because I cried the other day. Man, I was on the couch. I was about to cry that. I talked about it. I had two questions for you. I had two questions for you. I was crying on the couch. You got it in the back. I don't know the way to me. See, one of my questions, let me start with the easier one first before I get to the harder one. The easier one is going back to the counseling part. You and your wife counsel and counsel married couples. But I know you're a human being. So when you're going through your own issues during this time, do you ever say to the people you're counseling? Well, at this moment, I can't counsel you because I'm not at the right place in my mind to do this for you. So we have someone else to step in. How does that work? I probably couldn't be doing that. I mean, you just pay. I mean, we haven't, because I thank God that we haven't had, I mean, because of my wife and I, personal issues or anything like that. Thank God we haven't had experience in that yet. But we've had situations where we had to say, well, you know what? That's kind of, we've got to refer you to somebody. And it helped. And they understood. And so I think your question was, who counseled a counselor? Count a baby like that. You have to sort of kind of know because, you know, sometimes you can even, you can even help yourself, but sometimes you need that time to step back and regroup. And not have people constantly calling you or sometimes something that you have to go and do it with your wife and, you know, no disruption. It's called sabbatical. Well, I take a sabbatical. I guess I'm different because I'm so caught up in the fact that the Holy Spirit is so real that I feel like he knocks everything out no matter what it is. When you step up for God and you're doing it for God, I feel like he intervenes in those moments. Because if I went by what I felt in my emotions and what I was going through, I wouldn't do a lot of things that I do. I have to get past those things a lot of times. You know, he told them not to think of what they say when they're coming in that moment. Y'all read that point, didn't you? Oh, you're talking about, let me see you. Like when you speaking to somebody and anytime you go to speak to somebody, God need to be the one leading that conversation. Oh yeah, you let the words in my mouth and meditation in my heart build something. So what I'm saying is, if I'm going looking at my issues, that was a lot of times I wouldn't speak. Oh yeah, so it was your time. You understand where I'm coming from? So I can't, I have to step up and speak when it's time for me to speak. Oh yeah, if you're talking about that. Now I'm talking about if somebody has an issue and they're coming to me, I got to put my issues to the side. I'm just being real. Right, well yeah, because you've been called. You've been called. I'm trying to get, but we're both, you know what I'm saying? No, we're talking, it's a whole conversation. I think I'm trying to. Go ahead, go ahead. Because I see both, what you're saying, I see both sides because you are right. I mean, there's many times even I had to step up to the podium. I'm hurting. I'm grieving. But then that's when God, he's with me. That's what my grandmother always said, he's not going to let you fall in love. He'll never leave, you know what I'm saying? And the Holy, that's when I, that Holy Spirit, you know what? Let's see, that's what you're saying. You depend on, that's when the Holy Spirit come because I'm out of myself. And I've seen, there it is. But then there are times where I do like Jesus, even Jesus, when he did ministry and virtue came out of his body, he had to go to the hills. He had to go to the mountain. He had to get away from the crowd to regroup and refresh. So that's what I'm saying. I get what you were coming from with your perspective. I see it, I see it. I see it, it's just. And you got to because I can't bleed on the people. But if you follow what I'm saying, even I tell my leaders that we're, I mean, you know, when you're hurting, that's why they need grief recovery because I can't afford you bleeding all over everybody. If you don't take care of your issues, you might be hurting and grieving. Let's just try to work through that. And even myself. And thank God that I haven't had to the point where, and I thank God it was grace that, where I do have to just, I have to just get away. If it is, it's just for a moment. But I remember I had to go when I lost my father-in-law. It happened. And two days later, while I'm preparing at the wake, get a call that one of the most important men in my life was my grandfather, my mom called me. I was in the bathroom, getting ready to go to the wake for my father-in-law, who, how I succeeded him because he founded the church. And that's how I became the pastor. What year was that? Great man of God, 2007. Okay, keep going. And that was great man of God. So here I am. I've got these emotions. He's gone. Then two days later, my grandfather gone. Then at the funeral, I had to, you know, be with my wife, be with family. I'm dealing with the church family. We all grieving. I'm grieving. And at the same time, I'm thinking about my grandmother, my mother, and then I'm looking at the casket. Because I know my brother Felix, you know, he's an Air Force captain here at that time. I think he was in Florida. Nobody wanted me to drive all the way to East Texas, by myself, dealing with, you know, I'm gonna be driving. So while I had to go bury my father-in-law at the same time, my mind is, and then come back that Sunday, that was on Saturday, Friday, with my father-in-law to live Saturday, go to Linden, then come back Sunday to preach. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a lot. Oh, it's a lot. So I have a second question. Okay, okay. Has there ever been a time in your life, since you've been a pastor, that you have caught yourself, or almost caught yourself like stepping out of character? Where example Kirk Franklin, when he cussed out his son, and he was taken out of character. Not to say in that exact example, but have you ever caught yourself, stepping out of character, and how did you deal with it? Okay, that's a great question. Yes, I have. I mean, did you cuss like Franklin? Did you really let it rip like that? Man, let me tell you something. I mean, you can answer that question, but I keep telling people, I love Kirk Franklin music. I can sing, smile, even if you hurt, you smile. And we have the same views on what you're about to say. But you know what I'm about to say. Yeah, we have the same views. I think people commended him for doing what he did, discipline his 30-some-year-old son. But I think the conversation needs to be had that he didn't address that situation right. The language he used should have been used. And if I done it, I need to be pulled up on that. And if the world's saying, yeah, it's cool, he should have did it with his son, and I did the same thing that you and the flesh, because we're trying to better our character. And when Satan, that's a deal between, not me and my son, but me and Satan, where he done pulled me out of my situation of me being a God-fearing man, and me, evil communication corrupts good manner. We know that's what the script should say. He knows that. So I think a lot of times, people was big up in the whole situation when correction is so needed. Right. Yeah, I'm not afraid to answer that question. You be cussing all the time? No, I think I'm not. No, not that Kirk, frankly, did. I mean, you know, not to that degree, but you know, I've done some things that, you know, that I shouldn't. I'm not saying there's no big sin. You might give an example. Putting him all the way out there. What do you do? What do you do? It's just that, you know, when God tell me to do something that I didn't do, or just my temper did get on, I shouldn't have gone off on him like that. Yeah, like I did. You know, not that I cussed, but I did go off. I'm just telling you, we're, you know, that's why it's so important with the whole script. We're leaking every day. That's why I always say, and I tell my congregation is Christians, believers ought to be the most humble people in the world. See, don't get, when you, I don't never want to get to the point where I'm just walking around like a peacock in my stuff. That's right, because that's the reason why I asked the question, because transparency is key, and you want people to know that you have to pull yourself up. We're going to slip sometimes, but you have to bring yourself back. Yeah, yeah, and it's just, and that's why you do the fruit of the spirit. See, and that's what keeps me going, because it lists all of, you know, the fruit of the spirit, Elvis, all of that. And you got to find out which one, every one has something. My is patience. Yeah, mine is. That I got to keep striving for. Long self-love, joy, peace. Yeah. Yeah, all of them. Self-control. Yeah. So temperance. Yeah, so when I step out, you know, that's what keeps me humble. And I just said, Lord, I'm sorry, that's what David was known as a man after God's on heart. Dave was quick to repent. I mean, he's the only one that ever had that title. Wouldn't you love that title that God would put that on you that he's a man after my own heart, after all that David did? Yeah, yeah. After all that he did. But one thing about David, and I believe God put that title on him is because he was quick to repent. Only you, only you have done this too. Not, you know, you were the thing about the person. Create a clean heart, renew a right spirit. But he said, oh, you, oh Lord, I did this to you, even though he did it to somebody else. He felt that he did it to God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he said, blot out my transgressions. Yeah. You know, and so, but yeah, I mean, we're not perfect, but we're striving, you know, and you got to have character, integrity, make mistakes. Yeah. And I'm quick to tell you, I'm probably going to make some more. Oh, most definitely. My thing is just to make sure that you don't be cursing people out. You know what I'm saying? And Kurt Franklin, shout out to Kurt, man. I need to get you on the show, but I'm going to tell you in your face, you know, basically that, that, that we got to pull each other up. That's what good brothers supposed to do. That's what it is, brothers in Christ, when you- I ain't seen nobody pulling them up. The world was like, yeah, you should have, no, y'all wanted to see that. Yeah, that's right, yeah. Because y'all can relate to that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You relate to that because you talk like that. That's what you do that. And so you think that's cool, but that's not cool. We trying to be better at what we say. Exactly. We're trying to season our conversation. That was a time just here lately, a year or so ago, where I was cussing like a sailor, but I'm working on me. You see what I'm saying? And so with me saying that, I'm working on me. Then I'm not going to applaud that. And it's a sensitive subject to some who's dealing with that too. Right, yeah. So basically, I'm saying, yeah, I got to change. We got to change. We got to change. So you want to stay away from certain things. To be better. Yeah, we got to. But you see how I look on, and this is my new perspective. I always say when you see people and they are acting out of character or someone like his son is coming at him in a certain way to pull him out, I don't look at it as that's my son coming at me. I'm looking at the devil coming at me. Because the devil is going to, and you can't fight it physically. So you're cussing this man out is not going to help because you are selling out the care of Frank Lenny. In the flesh right now. And it's a spiritual. Part two. Well, that's that's why the word says we are not wrestling. We're placing blood. See, my fight is not with you. My fight is not with my husband. My fight is not with my wife. My fight is not with my children. But people don't recognize that. But it's not even just I don't recognize that it's it happens in a quick of just instance like that. Just like if I pinch you, you're going to jump because you react without thinking. And that's what people do. When somebody come at you, you react without thinking. But but you have to train your mind to think anything that comes at you that is out of character. That is not Godlike. Right. But do you remember what I said earlier? But you remember what I said earlier? Which one? Whatever you feed the most. That's what's going to come out in that situation. I believe it. My grandma, you said, whatever in you come out like. So you're saying So wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let me stop you right good. So you're saying that Kirk Franklin is feeding. No, no, you just said that. No, no, you said it. You said it. You said it. You said you feeding it. So it came out. So you're saying it's been it's been brewing. Hey, it could be like, okay, one time one time my grandma moved somewhere and I was shocked to hear this person cuss. Oh, yeah. Steve Harvey talks about that. Why he was at church here. He went by the church cuss. And my grandmother told me she wasn't shocked at all. She said, whatever in you, you're going to come out. It's just simple like that. And that is true. That's the dollar that I said wisdom told. I told you I don't grow up my grandmother. But if you think about it, what's in you is going to come out. It's going to come out. That's why they always say I don't want to pretend for so long. Yes, right. Because eventually you're going to show your true colors. You're going to show your true colors. Jesus said that. You're always going to return to yourself. That's why when you're dating, I tell them when I talked about singles or something, y'all just lying on the first date. Everybody lying. Everybody lying on the first date. But you're soon going to return. Amen. So top three artists all the time did or lie. Any genre? Oh, any genre. Oh, that's. Only three. I came up with a book of bread. Everybody always. That's the same reaction everybody give me. Top three artists of all time. Because, you know, we know so many people that you love meaning like listening to. It's hard to really put it down to just three. That's what it means. That don't matter to me. I know what my rules is. This is the boss talk 101. Okay, that's a good one. Who is your number one? Jesus. Come on with it. Number one. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to think of any genre. Any genre. It can be any genre. You can say kids. You know kids back in the day with the tone and all. I was well. Okay. I'll tell you what. You go. Y'all know your memory in junior high. It can be any genre. I'm going to have to say, I don't know if you remember back in junior high. But did I win $100 for it? Michael Jackson. I knew it. Yeah, he was a Michael Jackson. I was Michael Jackson back then. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that man. Yeah, yeah. That boy, do you still got moves? Oh, oh, oh. That boy still go. Okay, shout out. Y'all want to bring him back. It's going to cause money now. Nobody going to be coming down there with you. We got to get these jackets out. But yeah, I was going to say Michael Jackson. Because I was growing up. I mean, we go spirits too. And then also my favorite one is, and I really do like her music. It is Tamela Mann. Tamela Mann. Have you met her? She out here in Dallas. Well, I haven't met a person, but I've seen her out. Okay. Church service. She out in the church. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Tamela Mann. I love her singing. And of course, the Clark sisters. The Clark sisters. Did you watch the movie? Yeah, I watched the movie. So, give me a three. Give me a three. Oh, no, I can't do that. So, you didn't hear me talk. I got to give you a talk. You just throwing out names. We need you to go watch it. So, you won't park in there. You won't park in there. You said Michael. Okay. Hit him still. You're number one. So, who was your number two? Tamela Mann was your number two? Tamela Mann was your number two. Well, I don't want to put it that high. Okay. Oh, dang man. So, who was your number two? The Clark sisters. Clark sisters. Okay. That's a good one. Who is number three? So, Clark sisters is above Tamela Mann. Okay. Wow. Tamela Mann can sing that song too. She's so good. She got that one song. That's the one song. That's the one song. She hold that mic like this. Take me to. I love. Oh, man, it's just so old. Woo. One more. Just one more. Just give it to her. That's how I just say it. You said Tupac earlier. You're going to give it the number three project to Clark? Clark was a band. He was prophetic. When I was young, me and my mama had beef. Yeah. Ain't nobody did a dear mama's. I thought you like Willie D. I like Willie D. back in the days. Yeah, when I was in the streets, man. You know what I'm saying? Now, it's Pimp C. That was my greatest album for me. Yeah, I remember being at the track meeting in Dangerfield. I'll never forget it. And that tell me something good came on, man. Oh, yeah. And it changed my life. You know what I'm saying? I had to get that song. I don't know what that is. See, oh, no danger here. You're walking that little stretch. So there's a little stretch to get up there to the... Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I see, man. You know, I thank God for you. I thank you for coming on the show, man. You know, that's when we winding down. I mean, we like say, we stream on Apple, Spotify. We spit. We on Google podcasting, Stitcher. We definitely are. We going to put it out to the masses. I hope everybody enjoyed the show tonight. And I hope everybody hit that like button. Like and subscribe on YouTube, man. Subscribe on YouTube. OK. And follow us on Instagram, man. Yeah. Bostock Podcast 101. Let's just stop right quick, man. Tell us the church where you at, how people can reach you, and all that good stuff. All right. Appreciate it. Yeah, the Greater Truvine Church. Greater Truvine Church. We're located in the heart of the Soto 538 Reunion Road, the Soto. You can go to our website, www.gtvchurch.org. We also have our community center. If you need any help, clothes, tallertries, we're located in the Soto. Call us at 972-230-9001. Our services are Sunday morning, in person, or on our Facebook page and YouTube, the Greater Truvine Church, the Soto. 10 a.m. every Sunday, then Bible study, Wednesday night in the Word, on Wednesday night at 7 p.m. on our Facebook page. Man. Man, we love the fact that you came through. We love you. Oh, man. But I'm honored to be here. We love you. I'm honored to be here. We love you. I'm honored to be here. You're much success. Hey, man, we don't spend a lot of time together, but we know we all right. We Facebook friends. That's right. I see people don't realize that. We old, so we Facebook friends. Young folks on Instagram. Man, Mr. Cole, but here is Facebook friends. Been Facebook friends for years. You know what I'm saying? I know our daughter told us that Facebook is Oh, yeah. That's our daughter. That's our daughter. Well, let's shout out to all the Facebook people. We here, baby. We still holding on. Yeah, we're in my space. I guess that was our grandparents. Say, man, but thank you so much for coming on the show. Oh, man, you're welcome. I'm honored to be here. Anytime you have something going on, would you please let us know if it's something we can help with clothes or whatever. That's what we do. We own store for a rich or if it's something we need to show up on or if it's somebody that you feel like need to be on the show that can get a word out through the masses. This channel is here for you, man. Oh, man, go ahead, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just appreciate you for taking the time out to come and bless our listeners with a true word. You know what I mean? And to see somebody who went to grade school with me and to see God still got us here because a lot of it's not here anymore. Yeah, I know. And a lot of my best friend, Mike, you know he's not here anymore. So we can go on and on about that. And I remember that night that happened. I was there. Yeah, you were down there. I was there. I was just saw him at the football game. Yeah. He was at the game and we were just talking about we were going to see each other and get back to Dallas. He was in Garland or something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I spent a night at my grandmother's house, woke up the next morning and they told me, and I said, man, that's crazy, man. That just tore me up. Yeah, man. I never forget him. You know we were together every day. Yeah, yeah. And you know, his son is my godson. Michael Hudson. His bird shout out to Michael Hudson, Jr. You know, you've all been coming to see me last weekend, but you didn't come. But it's cool, though. You're still my guy, man. So yeah, he's got kids now, man. And you know, just to have those conversations with him and and and Darius, I talked to him a few weeks ago. You know, I just try to stay near it. I go see bird and vibe to whenever I'm in town. Just love our people, man. Yeah. Just oh yeah, we should be good, though. The thing I say, man, is thank you. Thank you so much for coming on the show. You're welcome. Anytime. Like I said, if I need you to holler at you. Yeah, just holler at me. If you need anything ministry. Yeah, yeah. Whatever we need to do. Just just let me know. What show? We're just trying to, you know, just try to do Jesus ministry. That's why we call it Matthew 25 alive. Amen. Amen. Trying to make that word off that page come alive. There it is. Got to make it come alive. Have to. Really, man. So, hey, man, this is another great segment of Boss Talk 101. And we out.