 Okay, I have assembled before you, this is out by the way, my, sorry about that, I have assembled before you my pathetic collection of humbrew disc retainer picking supplies. All of which are fails. This recent obsession with disc retainer started with this cursed Chinese lock sent by Bill, Bosnian Bill as part of the traveling lock box. After many hours of futzing with it, I've concluded that it is superior to me in every way having to do with lock security. Now, I'm doing this video to try to ask for some help from somebody, anybody, maybe Solomon, maybe Bill, maybe Wizwazel, maybe Kokomo, I don't know. Here are the tools that I have put together over the last, almost a year that I've been trying this. I have various pick type things. The one on the right is a key from another one of these Chinese locks that I thinned down and just left a little end, decent feedback. This is one, it's kind of square, it sort of works, this little handle that I can use for different things. I've got this one, which is a piece of brass, silver soldered onto a little rod, but I think it's too thin. Then I've got this one, which is also a piece of brass, silver soldered or brazed onto a piece of metal. This one has great feedback, grabs the disc great, but I can't always get it to slide into the little spaces, I can't always get it out so I lose my sets and the shaft takes up a little too much room. Then I saw Kokomo's video and I made one of these, not as well as he did, but this gets around in there great, but I can't get good purchase on the discs with this thing so maybe I need to make it out of some thicker material or something else, I don't know, I don't have calipers here, I've got that. So those are the pick type things that I've tried, I've also tried wires and stuff and had no luck with that. Then for tension, this one actually provides great tension, hangs on pretty well, it's a piece of 1 eighth by 1 quarter inch steel bar that I've bent and milled some of the material out and serrated it so there's lots of rum in there, so get it in there and actually got enough room to get a tool and decent leverage, but it seems to, I've got enough serrations I can grab just the discs I want, but it seems to take up too much room in the key way. So then I tried one of these things, sort of a flat tension bar and I made a couple different ends on it, I even tried making little, I don't know if you can see on this one, but I tried making little grooves on the end, come on now, to try to grab the discs better. This just kept slipping out and getting in the way, it kind of crossed over the key way too badly. This seems to be a winner actually, this tension bar. This is a piece of 1 eighth inch square steel stock that I have bent, a 90 degree angle and I cut a little slot notch in the corner, which predictably is not too bad. There you can see the notch, ok, that grabs onto the corner of the wheel, the end profile is kind of like this, so I removed material to leave room for the pick wire and then I left the corners. So basically I've relieved a little more than 50% of this side and then there's a little notch here and I made it at the other end, same idea, but a little bit longer to reach inside some of these key ways, but same idea, lots of filing in and so forth. This seems to work really well except it bungs up the discs a little, the brass discs a little bit, but yeah. So I can post video of myself struggling through these locks, but oh yeah, here's the other one that I made, this stupid thing. This gets pretty good purchase, but having a tool this long doesn't work very well. So I really don't want to have to go buy a stupid tool, it probably doesn't work either, but I don't know, I've seen you guys do some pretty cool stuff with homebrew, maybe you got some suggestions, so thought this would have potential, but not so much. Anyway, if anyone has any ideas I'd really appreciate it, and anyhow, but yeah that's all I got. So anyway this is Alex, thanks for your help, have fun, and keep it legal, cheers.