 Now, we're about to talk about a topic that is very close to my heart. We're going to talk about a sector that has the potential to offer Nigeria much more youth neighbor than any other sector, except maybe for agriculture, all right, and you already know the sector that I'm talking about, I'm talking about the entertainment industry. One industry in Nigeria that practitioners on their own have nurtured to a place where it has become the third fastest growing in the world. I mean, see the advancements of Nollywood, see how the Nigerian music industry has changed how Nigeria is seen across the globe. Our people are beginning to win Grammy Awards and artists are beginning to get recognition all over the world. But back here at home, where are the incentives? Where is the enabling environment for them to flourish here at home? And most times when you look at our artists that are doing very, very well overseas, yes, there may be talents from Nigeria, but it is that influence overseas that has helped them achieve the kind of success that we are talking about. So on the panel with me now, we have some players in the industry. I have on the panel a Capella. Capella is a comedian, an actor, and a fantastic singer as well when he chooses to. I have Rugged Man. Rugged Man is a musician. Once in a while, he shows his face in order. And I think he's also an on-air personality. We have Imebishof A.K.A. Ukun Lagos. You already know him, a comedian, a fantastic actor, and a man who has also had a small stings on the political side of the divide. Of course, I've been your co-host all evening. My name is Okbakasi. Anyways, these are all my friends. So gentlemen, our sector, we have seen administration over administration. We have seen how much the youth of this country have been neglected, you know, in terms of planning. It looks like the country has been designed for a few privileged individuals, to the detriment of all your other creative, young-minded people who can bring a lot of energy to the economy. All right. And here on the program today, just to, you know, fill you in a little on some of the things that we've talked about, we've had people who drafted the manifesto come here to talk about industrial clusters that are in the manifesto. You know, they are talking about development areas where you have tech industries developing alongside other sectors of the economy, everything geared towards moving us from consumption to production. All right. They've talked about what they are going to do in the power sector, you know, to turn things around. The entertainment industry, what do we need that will be that movement can do differently from what has been done? Let me start with Okun. Well, what can be done? A lot can be done. Okay. A lot can be done. You know, the entertainment industry is a bit multifaceted. It's not, we have the genre of arts spanning from music, you know, to tell a drama. A long list, if you begin to reel out all the music, I mean, it's long. But the most outstanding, the most arguably prominent of all of them is the movies and music, stand-up comedy, you know. And now we have a, how do I put it? The skit making. I can put all that on the activity and whatever. Yes. Yes. So what do you guys need? Not like I'm not part of it too. Okay. Not like I'm not part of it. I'm part of you people. Yes. But what do you guys need? That easy, we need funding. Okay. We need basic funding. Yeah. Funding can be, cash is not only the only source of money or the only form of money. Okay. Yeah. We need fiscal funding and also funding by way of putting things in place. Infrastructure. Infrastructure. Intervention. In place. Okay. I'll leave you there so that you can digest properly and find your, because I'm going to ask you, everybody needs funding, actually. Everybody needs funding. Everybody needs funding. Effective, not just funding, effective funding. Good. Yes. I'll come back to you on that aspect. But let me go to the music guy. Let me go to Rugged Man. Rugged Man, you've been in the music industry for a very long time. All right. So if you were to be part of the team that contributed to the Obidati Manifesto and you had to put things in it, all right, seeing where we are and how things have not gone well, what are the areas where you think, okay, you guys touch up. Yeah, touch up here. I'd say, well, this one word that's always been out there for ages now has always been copyright. You know, copyright. If I remember correctly, I'm a member of the executives for the Performing Musicians Employers Association of Nigeria, which is Pee Man. And I know one of the things on ground is the fact that Nigeria loses over $15 trillion to piracy every year. Wow. That is the fact, not bleep bleep. And this is something we've learned like three years ago. And if I remember correctly, when did Nigeria's budget finally get to a trillion? Now imagine if we were like saving that money for the country. You know, imagine what it would do to our budget and to the economy. But apart from piracy, we also need the government to look into telcos and the likes who actually use not just musicians, intellectual property, but also movies and pay us way less than we're supposed to get. Because right now, the sharing formula is telcos are getting 70 percent. Entertainers, creators are getting 30 percent, which is not supposed to be anywhere in this world. But that's what's happening in Nigeria. So that's part of what I would want the government to look into and reverse that. Okay. So yeah, still have that being processing that for that, because I'm going to also ask questions. I want to go to I want to also expand on what a good man has said. If it's so, it's so heartbreaking that you will see that we do the same thing that other people do. I'll give you an instance on Facebook, YouTube, like reality protection, for instance, there's something that they call the R.O.P.M. Like he said, the share 70, 30. And so the R.O.P.M. means that per view, I make so so so and so. If you look it through Nigeria and other parts of the world. So maybe somebody in U.S. is getting $1.10. We are getting 0.001. So somebody from U.S. can get 100,000 views and make, for instance, $3,000. You can get 3 million views and you don't have $500. And why? Why is it so? Because I mean, what is it that the government will be the one to say to these people because that's private business. Anyways, is it that we get our legislators to put in place measures that will make anybody who is practicing in this space to look at whatever you're doing elsewhere, what is good for the Jews, like we say is good for Uganda. Yeah. So whatever you add there with specific reference, with all due respect. Yes. I think for me, I want the government to put either have a policy that actually makes sure that Nigerians, Nigerian creative content creators get paid the same as the American and the British. Because content is content. Yes. Because one content is content. But as we speak, even the ones getting the 0.001 are getting it because they have people acting as agents between them. And Nigerians are not eligible. But, brotherly, who are the people who make content go viral the most in this world? Nigerians. Nigerians, yes. You understand. So, but we get paid less. So that is one of the major things I would like to talk about. Yeah, and part of it is, I think, because they look at the body language of your government, they are not even serious. If people can ban Twitter and other platforms that are helping the youths project their potential and make money and ban it for no good reason, for like forever, then why do you expect owners of those platforms to now begin to reward your people when the body language of your government shows, okay, I mean, new people, we don't even care about you guys. You know another one. Cable. Yeah. Cable. The cable TV. Cable TV. Let me not mention name because they're not paying or they're not paid for it, but unless they contribute immensely to this fundraiser, then I mentioned the name. But let me not mention the name. Now, there's a certain cable company that increases their tariffs at will in Nigeria. It's like mood swing. But in their own country, when you subscribe for one month, you can pause your subscription and travel for a year, come back and resume. That's in one month. But in Nigeria, if you like, light day, light no deal. UD house, you know, deal. It's reading. So we need the government to check all this and let the people outside, let foreigners respect us. You are only going to be treated the way you want to be treated. That is the truth. Yeah, but I'm not the one that talked to these people. That's why we have to do everything to make sure that we put in a very responsible government that is going to mirror the true nature of the Nigerian people to be perceived by the members of the international community so that that respect can be drawn to us and can be drawn directly to us. If not, we're still going to be like that. How are they going to respect us? How? Okuna, I want to align with you a little because if you look at the history of television in Africa, the first place television came in Africa was Nigeria, all right? And how many years later, other people, you know, had the same experience. But fast forward to 2023, we have a foreign cable company doing way better in Nigeria than elsewhere in Africa. And our own flagship TV is not even doing half as well. It's still depending on government for lifeline. I mean, with all the funds that are injected into the national career every year, when you tune their station, you will be wondering what are we still in the stone age in terms of clarity of the future that you've got, you know, with all the financial, you know, so imagine that that station or that corporation had grown in ways that it should have grown. Will these people come here, dominate and give us the shutter end of the stick? It wouldn't happen. So these are areas I think, you know, and I'm happy at one forum, I was listening to P2B talk about it. He mentioned the national career, radio and television, that there will be serious intervention, you know, they will learn to run independently and be able to because there is no way you will say you have the widest reach and government will always be spoon feeding you. Yeah. They have the widest reach. It doesn't make sense. In the stricter sense of the word widest, they have the widest reach. In the content world, follow-washing translates into money. Yes. Widest reach should translate into revenue. So they have no reason to be underperforming. Widest reach and the widest well to feel. Yes, I think, of course, it's not just setting up a body or an organization, it has to be effective. The problem we have is that you know, do you know that our stuff today, Nigerians are one of the most users of Facebook and Instagram. Instagram pays for content creation. Facebook pays for content creation. Nigeria is not eligible. To earn money, you have to be linked to another country with everything we are doing. And I'm not sure people in government knows. They are not interested. Everyone is thinking about oil money. For me, I think one office, I think it's time we actually, you know, ask the government to create a minister for entertainment. Yeah. I think it's time for the Nigerian government to create the office of the minister of entertainment. And please, it has to be an entertainer. Even if it's not an entertainer. Even if it's a department. No, no, what I mean, whoever is going to say, and it has to be somebody either an entertainer, yes, somebody who knows about entertainment. It doesn't have to be a musician. It can even be an entertainer lawyer. Round plug in round hole. Yes. So that, yes, we want a round plug in a round hole. We don't want somebody carpenter to come and run entertainers. And then you are wondering why it's not working. Because look at what has happened to sports. Because sometimes when we talk about sports, let us not forget that sports is also entertainment. It's a form of entertainment. Because look at what the EPL is doing for England. All right. The Arabs are spending so much money acquiring clubs. Imagine if it was happening in Nigeria that Arabs are going to buy Nigerian clubs. What it would do for foreign exchange earning and how it will strengthen the Naira. Look at places like Brazil, for instance. Some equivalent of states in Brazil, what they generate from selling players abroad is more than so many states in Nigeria combined. Clubs that produce people like Neema, people like the young boy who plays for Asuna, Martinelli, and all these people. Machirano, Tvers, that was in Argentina. You can just name them. Imagine that the ministry of sports is living up to its expectation that you have people who understand sports and they are not just using that ministry to settle political hangers on. Because it looks like anything that has to do with the Nigerian youths, they just leave it for one person. Okay, we don't give you anything. We never give this money to anybody. I mean, go stay for sports. And demand for the Naira 70. Yes, yes. But they need youths. Yes. He never run before. He never jump before. He never play football for in whole life. He never even go watch matches before. You understand? They will give him sports to handle. Okay. You know? They bring all manner of characters. So imagine that government had taken all this sector seriously and let Nigeria create the enabling environment. Because I remember having the opportunity to contribute to a government document in one of the states. And at the time, we looked at the state and in every local government, they had stadium. But that we are useless because youths will not, if you go to those stadiums, they are like, they are bush. Niger white location. Yes. All manner of revtiles reside there and having revtile Olympics is supposed to be a sports facility of a local government. So part of the recommendation is go around the entire state, all the stadium in that state, rehabilitate, put modern sport equipment, put uninterrupted power, put Wi-Fi. What are they doing with local government funds? If you have a stadium, if you have all the stadium in a state fully equipped with light 24 hours and uninterrupted internet, now what will happen is that it becomes a hub in the local government for young people to go and take advantage of light because there is 24 hour light there. Even if they don't have in their homes, they can sit in the standard, read their book and do their assignment when there is no light in the village. If because there is uninterrupted Wi-Fi, somebody can buy laptop for someone in the village and they can go there and browse the internet and you never can tell the kind of talent that can develop just in the place. And while at it, while playing, doing that, they are playing sports because there are sports facilities. So it becomes a place where talent is developed. And guess what? It wouldn't need to run on state funds. To generate money on its own. There are people in the community who their CSR or who their give back to society will be, okay, I'll provide data as part of, because people are sponsoring football tournaments in villages. So if facilities are there, somebody like me can come back to my village and I say, okay, I'll donate internet facility. I'll make sure for one year I'll be the one taking care of it. And before, you know, another person will say the year after you, the year after you, endless. It won't cause government to die. Another person will say light. Even if you don't have power, I will provide diesel or I'll provide generator. These things will be kept functional. Then amongst themselves, you will employ youths to run it. And develop, you unlock development. Well, it's true. You were talking about Rocketman. You mentioned an office, like a ministry or a paracetamol or something that will handle entertainment. It ought to be run by a real entertainer, not a phantom entertainer. It is okay. But I think the real problem that we have, the real thing that we need to do is to have a mental and ethical and attitudinal renaissance. That's what we need. In terms of leadership. I believe that's part of what's happening right now. Every set of national rights. That's where we are. That's why we are doing this. That's why we're here. That's why we're here. That's why we're here. It should be because if you don't get the foundations right, every other thing that you are putting on top is a disaster waiting to happen. Yes. All right, gentlemen, we'll take a break. We'll take a short break. When we come back, we'll continue to talk about the entertainment sector, the way forward with Obidachi. It may be shop, Okun Legos. He's still here. Rocketman is pretty much here. But Akapella is on standby. He's doing something else. So in place of Akapella, we'll have Folly Boone. Folly Boone is a comedian, an actor. Yes. And a newly married young man. Yes. I have to add that. Yes. It's an accomplishment. To be married in Nigeria is no joke. Okay. Let me start. Folly Boone, since you just joined us, let me go straight to you. Lots of young people today are interested in the entertainment space because there are no jobs. No jobs. You know, no jobs. U-turn employment is at an all-time high. Okay. You have been in the acting industry and the stand-up comedy industry. What are the challenges that a young person out of school or never been to school that decides to choose this career path? What are the challenges they are likely to encounter? Because sometimes when we highlight some of these problems, then we can begin to see clearly how we can find solutions in your own personal experience. Yes. So I think that as an industry, we can talk about what you're likely to face without talking about the struggles the industry in itself is going through. Okay. Because if there's a platform and a structure that is sustainable, then you can expand and make room for those coming in. And when you come in, you enjoy good value based on the structure that you've seen on the ground. And the industry has facets, it has angles. I will speak first of all from the movie and the comedy. I think for music, shout out to them. They've been able to do a good job, not so much. I mean, not so much, but compared to, I'm saying compared to the film industry and stand-up comedy, I think that the fact that if I put up a song that is not mine or my video is on YouTube, it is flagged down. That's a plus. Yes. Take it all. Good business. Yes. Take it all. Leave it. That is a major plus. But you know one of the major reasons? Yeah. It's not being flagged down because of a Nigerian structure. Yeah. But at least it's coming to come. Why is it being flagged down? Sorry. It's somebody else's music. It's copyright. And that's because the original owner probably released that music using an international platform and they monitor every source that is playing from. Interesting. So I'm saying... So we need our own Nigerian structure. Yes. So, but my point is, I don't care where it's coming from. The desert flag down. Yes. I need that extra information. And that will serve as some level of checkmate as to how your content is being assessed. Yes. Now, comedy videos, I stand to be corrected. They are the most shared, silly viewed content on the internet in the world. Nigerian comedy. The owners don't get any. Dang. It's sad. I'm a victim. I'm a victim. I'm nobody slapping you down. Both is nationally or local. Nobody is helping you. So it's back to the same topic down. If there's a structure where the industry, and this is not even, it's not, I don't know, it's not a foreign theme. It can be local, but it's well done. Because I'm aware that in Kenya, if you're caught doing piracy, it's a big crime. You can go, it's not five years. It should be a big crime. It's a big deal. But here, it's been normalized, you know, where you go to buy your content. You buy it, you know, in traffic. There was even a time that, there was even a time, you remember, there was even a time musicians were paying marketers to pirate their sites. Yes, I pay, let me say, because that's how they, you know, from experience. That, you know, you create your song, you pay someone to pirate it. And that's how they, you know, at the time. But, you know, right now it's still happening. Because some musicians still pay some DJ space. Just like in acting today, some actors still pay producers to feature them in movies. I know, boss, you know, this job here, it just gets to a point where you tell yourself that you no longer dance because my teacher in school will say, you get a point in your life where you don't dance because you don't have to dance. You dance because you enjoy dancing. Yes. But before I go too far, you have established the fact that, yes, the structure has to be there to make the industry more robust for the young ones to come in. You have not really addressed that question of what would likely be the challenge of a young person who's coming. So do I leave that to? You know, he's not a young person. I would like to say that, Christian. Let's give it a go. Thank you. Thank you. Let me speak for you now. Let me answer for the music, please. Thank you. I will keep it to myself. So I think that first of all, what are you bringing into the industry? I always say this, you know, I actually, you know, young people like myself, this Christian, what are you bringing into the industry? You see Anukum, you like him, you want to be like him. You see a funny bone, you see, you know, a capella. No, you do sing now. Okay. So what are you bringing into the industry? So first thing is, if you're bringing in value, if you're bringing in value, if you're bringing in something new, if you're bringing in, you know, creativity, something that, you know, would spur and make us even think further, I think you would thrive, you know, as someone who is young in the industry. But if you're coming into, to tap, to recreate, to further stretch, to photocopy, to photocopy, to rewrite or to review what it's there already, your lifespan setting would, you know, would, you know, have, you know, have leave you. But I haven't said that is the fact that if there's a structure and I'm, I am happy for social media and what's, you know, is doing now in, you know, in my industry or in our industry, even though I think that it's not, it needs to be, you know, checkmated, but I like that young people are finding their level on their own, where if you're funny, you can make it, you don't need to bug my phone to help you from your house. You can create a content, first of all, that's what you're selling and what you're saying is fact and true. You're not misquoting anybody. You're not abusing anybody's brand or goods because you have the space on the internet where fans can appreciate you from the comfort of your home directly. So basically what government should do to encourage those who can do that is better internet penetration. Thank you. Electricity has to get into all the nukes and cronies and internet has to penetrate everywhere so that young people can unleash. And then, and then also help, you know, we have, we have bodies, we have like the actors guild, we have like the PMAN performing musicians. The government also has to come into that in one way or the other to check what they have on ground on their own and then find out what they need to work. And when I say this, I want to say this because when I just mentioned PMAN, I say, ah, now let me tell you something that a lot of people do not know. Back in the days, I used to think PMAN was just a place for old reggae artists and dreadlocks. But until the current PMAN president, Peter Oka, called me and told me his plans. Now let me quickly tell you, real quickly, what he did was he brought banks, he's brought hospitals, he's brought insurance companies. So what he's doing for registered members right now is once you register, you get health insurance, life insurance, you get a pension plan. There's even access to small loans, access to small loans. And also he has this thing he's working on now when you have your music, when you come to register your music for release, it gets encoded. Same thing they do with iTunes and Kodoo. It gets encoded. So once you want, these are the reasons why the banks are there. When you now register your music, it gets encoded. It's linked to your account that you opened with the bank. I don't want to mention the name, you open with the bank. So now basically what happens is when you do your split sheet, okay, Bakasi is the CEO of the record label, he gets 40%. You are the artist, you get 20%. I mix and master, I get 10. He produced, he gets. So if you're all registered members, you all have your accounts and everything is linked. Once that split sheet is done, it's put in the system. Anywhere it's downloaded or streamed your music, your money goes straight into your account. No middleman. That's what PMAN is working on now. Fantastic. This is one of the things. It's what you have to note. That highlights the importance of every entertainer belonging to an umbrella association because all these advantages that come with it. I get it because I remember about the trustees of the Nigerian Actors Guild and I understand that some actors are yet to become members of the guild. Now in other climbs, you can't even climb the stage if you're not a member of a guild. You understand. You can't go to America today and expect that you're going to show your face in any movie. If you're not a member of their sag, you can't do that. But in Nigeria, anybody can stroll from Kotonu, land here, and they are shooting the movie. They say, you come and act, Mr. Okke, and you're there. Suddenly, you're on stage. Some of our practitioners don't see any reason. We need to strengthen our guilds because some of these structures, when we create and strengthen them, becomes organs of negotiation with government and other foreign partners. So even when government begins to formulate policies, these are the people that they can sit with and say, okay, let's talk to your sector. It's not every time they will have to look at individual actors who sometimes when they go there, they probably don't know because we are creative. Sometimes we are busy creating that we don't even understand the remains of these things. But officers of an association somehow need to be trained to understand this one. Which brings me back to the creation of the office of the Minister of Entertainment. Yes, because the one has to live with all these people. Now that takes me to Okon, the question I want to ask, because you have been in government a little. I've been in government, okay. Yes, so you've been in government. So as you mean you are one sitting on that desk as director in charge of acting or director in charge of the creative department or the entertainment industry. And you have to advise like when you were there to advise a governor on what and what to do to make the sector more viable for the citizens in the state. What will your kind of advice be? I've been in that position as well before. I used to be the senior special assistant on entertainment industry matters before. How did you fair? But I'm asking you now. How did you fair? It's a tough place to be. It's an education like no other. But I'm moderating now so I'm asking you now. You know, there is a very tall order if your principal, the interest of your principal does not align. I know that. But regardless of the interest of your principal here, I'm not asking. I know that and I know that that can be a very big challenge because if the man that you're working for and that is not on the leader of things to do, it becomes a challenge. But still, that does not stop you from putting together your intention, your ambition, things that you think can be done. So what would your advice be? Like I said, entertainment. Entertainment has like music. We have all those aspects to have all of them. Don't list again. I'm trying to manage my time. How can you bring a topic that needs to be exhausted in one hour and then you want me to do magic? Do you think I have a magic wand here? You think we're all magicians? You have to communicate effectively and you have to start somehow, maybe with a preamble before you get to the middle, then you get it to a conclusion. I don't want to spend my time on preamble. But it's okay. You don't want to explain it. You want me to summarize it in how many minutes? Look at you. Brother Manson, I will listen. First of all, nobody has monopoly of knowledge. Yes. I don't have monopoly of knowledge and I don't even intend to because I know that it is impossible to do so. Now, if I am in that position, I know I don't know all. Okay. I will definitely harness. I will call it. I will synthesize mine. I will synthesize Ceri Braumine. Who are going to help? That's right. Okay. Good. Good. Good. Good. It's done. Like in the music industry right now that something has been done. Okay. I mean, it's a right step in the right direction. It's an excellent thing to do. And then you get it done. Make sure that, okay, fine, your principal breathes life on. You're very correct. I'll give you an idea of some of the things that I did, you know, because I had to learn on the job. Okay. I was in the entertainment industry and they suddenly snapped me up and said, okay, come on and work. All right. Fortunately, we have the benefit of education. All of us here. You don't even agree with me. Oh, sorry. Okay. Go ahead. I thought you were. Sorry. You do what you thought. I just wanted to help you. Okay. Okay. Okay. You will not know what I'm talking about. Okay. Who is the entertainer? Yeah. Okay. The entertainer, the professional entertainer is a person who puts his either humor or music or whatever poetic expertise into work. In creating happiness. In exchange for Naira and Kobo. So that is it. Now, first of all, you who is an entertainer, you need reorientation. You who is an entertainer, what is your purpose? Are you getting into the entertainment industry for the intrinsic or extrinsic value of entertainment? Intrinsic as in, are you getting into entertainment to entertain for the main purpose of entertainment or you're getting into it as a means to an end? Or rather, are you getting into it as an end in itself or you're getting into it as a means to an end? It is terrible for one to say, okay, fine. I want to be an entertainer just because I cannot pay my bills. I believe that people who are doing skits now, those are the people who are cashing out. I think I want to be an entertainer. I want to do skits now just because of that. Okay, okay, after this show, you know why? Because you want you to just tell us what you would do if you were sitting with your governor. I'm the first of all, I would tell them, like, okay, in movies. You know, they do like place where they fear the governor. Okay. There is something they call interministerial and direct labor committee and jobs in my own state, where they can gather like three or four people because I say, okay, fine, no, all right, renovate a particular primary school in your own area. Then funds are released to that. There are young and up and coming content producers, my content creators. And then what is smaller? How do you call it? Movies. Small films, movies that they got, small films, low budget films. Why don't you just gather these producers, one, two, three, four of them, give them startup grants. Okay, I mean non-refundable. Okay. And then see to the extent that they can use those grants. And then have a money drink that will measure that. Those grants are re-injected and get recycled. Thank you. You manage to escape with one point, one point grants. All right, time is no longer our friend. Before we round up, before we leave here, fortunately, the man that I've been waiting for since to join us on this panel, he's here with us. Charles, you know, Jay Charles is an actor, a director, and in fact, a Tespian that I have so much respect for. Charles, you're welcome. Thank you. Yes, we've all contributed now that you're here, just for you to put the icing on the cake. The Obida team movement, with all the effort and the support that Nigerians are giving them, when they become president and vice president respectively, what intervention can they give to Norley Wood to turn it around, to be able to create more jobs? Because youth labor, youth labor is one aspect of our lives that we have to do something quickly so that we put so many people, get so many people working. And Nigeria is blessed with talent. What will be your recommendation to the administration? Okay, great. It gets the backdrop of the fact that, I think you already alluded to that, the fact that Norley Wood is probably, aside government, the highest employer of direct and indirect labor, it would be, I mean, sheer foolhardiness for any government to neglect as they always do, a sector like that. So I would expect that the Obida team government do not make the mistake that past administrations have made, particularly the administration that has shown the industry perhaps more love than any other, which would be the genital administration. And that is bringing cash, hundreds of millions of Naira giving me to some, maybe party faithfuls, maybe some loyalists, hangers on and say, we want to use this money to develop the industry. No, that money would, as it did, end up in the hands of a few persons. Probably just look out for a few practitioners, put some in their hands so that they too would not make noise. And the rest becomes history. I would advise that they don't make that mistake. What each time we talk of assistance for the industry, people think what we need the most is cash. That is not true. For instance, we can visit the extant laws, particularly those that speak to piracy. Today, if someone is convicted for piracy in Nigeria, the penalty is 50,000 Naira. So I can't, I said, why not just, you know, pile up some hundreds of billions somewhere. I mean, you can't even drop one billion at a time, they don't let you, they don't leave you. I can do the rift where I do not so. But if the laws are made in a way that they are deterrent, in a way that before you commit the crime, you think, is this worth it? That is one. Two is that an industry like ours is too large, too critical to Nigeria's economy, to be left in the hands of just party feed fools. People who know nothing about the business. I don't think about it. Maybe he saw accountants somewhere without your respect. I don't have any in the base accountants. An engineer in the wrong position is wrong. Wait a minute, you know that man supported us so much. During the campaign, administrators don't finish. Tell it to somebody. There is this position in this industry. I'm putting. And the man who just been there, you know, like they say, round pegs in a square. At the end of the day, it is safe, safe. I would expect that they look out for those people who are knowledgeable about the business that we do. And who have done the business successfully over time, very important. Perhaps Nigeria is the only place where you don't reckon with people that have done a particular trade when it comes to administering medicine for the sickness of that trade. And in addition, because we are running out of time, in addition to remove some bottlenecks that hind that creativity, you know, example, we know that in Nigeria today, if you make some movies, exposing some parts of our history that government does not want to hear is not going to be censored or allowed to serve Nigeria. So we need to remove those bottlenecks very important to unlock creativity. Unlock creativity. Yeah, tell it as it is. For instance, again, too, there is a document that the industry came together to prepare with that we believe. Even if it may not be the be all and end all. But this is a document that can be a good starting point for us, which is what we can be. We've been on that for ages. Why can't we have that be a past so that we at least have something that regulates the industry? You cannot have an unregulated industry. I hope that one day that industry will make a response with the kind of money you met, you know, huge growth that has happened in Hollywood in the past 10, 15 years. Without assistance. Without assistance. I imagine what it will be like. Gentlemen, gentlemen, I have to run because we have a needed shadow for this program. Thank you very much for your time. Charles Roggetman and Fonny Boone, Akapella and maybe Shop. You guys, we are amazing. All right, we'll take a break again. Don't go anywhere. It's the Global Fundraising Telethon and we are still here.