 Thanks for coming. Before my presentation, let me do some advertisements. As you can see, this is musical, musical is customary, it really is a distribution made to promote free and open source of work in schools in Taiwan. So there are many educational open source, and of course the government is also inside. This year we have the 12th version. So in this session, I will tell you two and a half successful story in Taiwan. Two and a half, yes. And let me introduce myself first. I am an open source developer and translator promoter in Taiwan, but mainly the translator promoter. I am a tele-translator promoter. And we try to promote free and open source of work in the past because mainly in schools. But sometimes we also promote in enterprise or government. And we have an association in Taiwan. This is just to promote open source. And now I have a company to provide open source solutions to enterprise or to the government. So the first story is done by my company. This is my company. We are both open source company members. We are expert in open source solutions services. The first story is in Iran company, Taiwan. It is actually a small company. We have the population. But the director here supports free software very much. So the background of this story is actually in 2008, they tried once to open the office double. They tried once. And they asked a commercial company, service company to help them. And the service provider gave them a solution. The solution is tell them to use portable. They made a lot of USB sticks with open office portable version. And tell them that you can use this one and you can save your work in this stick and you can take everywhere. Even at your home you can work at home. So you can imagine that it is not an attractive solution, especially to those colleagues in government. So no surprise. But why it failed? Actually in my opinion, I think there are several important reasons about the first time, the first trial, why it failed. The first of course, this project asked users to change their software practice. That is from Microsoft Office to Office, right? This is a very difficult thing. I believe that everyone who ever tried to remember over office or revoke, they were having the same thing. But besides software practice, they also asked them to change their hardware practice. USB stick, right? They made a lot of USB sticks. And tell them that if you want to work with your document, you just plug in your USB stick. But if they forgot to bring the USB stick, they could do nothing. That happens, yes. Because we have never heard some complaint from the users. One day he forgot to bring his USB sticks and he received an ODF file and nothing to do because they didn't install it in the computer. And he had no USB sticks, so he had nothing to do. But actually, the most important reason should be this. Only in the other country, they received a lot of POC files from outside. All the other countries from central government they sent a lot of Microsoft Omega files to them. They are really upset there. Can you see something? So, in 2014, two incidents changed the condition. The first, of course, is UK government, right? I bring everyone here to know this one. In Taiwan, we have a union called Nation of Development, Tuxedo. That's a very high-level union in Taiwan. And I believe that the director in NDC would like to promote ODF for a long time. So this incident is just a chance for him to start migrating. It is very important because just as I have said, if we promote revolts to a union, to a county, to a city, but the whole environment is still not using revolts, that would be total useless. This is the man the director in NDC started to promote. Okay? That's one. And the second incident is, of course, budget. What does that mean? Because even now, even today, even in the county, they are still using Windows XP. Yes, that's true, even today. And they are using Microsoft Office 2013, since they failed to migrate to Microsoft Office just now. But you know, Windows XP stops upgrading, right? Start supporting. So they plan to upgrade the Windows XP to Windows A, but then they found a very tricky thing. Because Office 2003 could not work on Windows 8. That means they need to upgrade both Windows and Office at the same time. Right? That's the choice. If they want to upgrade, then there's no choice. So the total license fee is about $100 million, just for a year and a half. Just for a year and a half. $100 million. But do they really have no choice? No, of course they have no choice, right? So from the beginning of this year, the director of Iran County started to see the game about migrating to open office. Actually, they are still stuck in open office. So they started a project and made a public building. But the comment of the project is to have changing courses, to teach users to use open office. Again, they are using open office. They have no idea about liberal ethics. Okay? I made a project. And during the meeting, I told them that compared to all the other competitors, I must be the only one who really cares about how to migrate liberal office and open office in your day work. All the other competitors, they have a very big computer training community. But they have done nothing about open source. They just want to give you change costs and make money, and that's all. But for us, we are really the one who has been fighting in the open source world for more than 20 years. I'm really the only one who cares about to migrate liberal office into your work. So I got a bit. So the project started from March. And the first thing they asked me, which version should we use? And I recommended them liberal office 4.4. That's the most stable version. In the first step, the first step we have then is to deploy liberal office. We deploy liberal office to the whole company. We tell them that, just install it. You don't need to remove your Microsoft Office. That's okay. Just install liberal office. And after installing the liberal office, when you receive the file with only F, it will automatically open with liberal office. That's the first step. And of course, training costs. In this project, we have 80 training costs for right-of-care and impress. And it's very interesting that in the session, this morning about migrating call 2. The training costs is right-of-care about the impress they have, basic intermediate advance. But in our training costs, we mainly focus on right-of-care. And the students is from all the units in the schools. Not only the unit in the government, but also from the high schools and the elementary school. The employees there, teachers there, even nurses there, to do our training costs. The main topic of our training course is this. About the correct concept of making a document. Why do I say this? When we try to convert Microsoft files or XML files to the ODF file, we know that the successful rate is not high, but then we found that almost 90% of these problem-making files were because they used very ridiculous ways to make that document. Again, an example is this. Have you ever seen a file with tables, but the table was made of a lot of text blocks? Have you ever seen? Oh, you've seen that? A lot of text blocks, you know? Really? So when this file convert to ODF, of course, in a mess, right? Another example is that once you receive a phone, he asks us why he couldn't edit anything in his table. A lot of people are strange. Why can't you edit in the table? And finally, we got the file from him. Ah, he draw the tables with the graphic to, you know, in the document. Draw the tables. He didn't create the tables. He draw the tables himself, one by one. Oh, he couldn't edit, but he had no idea. So the topic of the training course is about telling the correct concept about making a document. If you have correct concept, no matter you're using Microsoft Office or Libre Office, you could do that since correctly. And we found that if you do that correctly, the convert successful rate is raised a lot. Okay? So I remember in the community that we also talked about the converting problem. Actually, we found that almost 90% of the problems. And in the project, we also got help from the government. The director really supported free software, and he would come to the class, a certain season in the office. He would come to class and tell all the colleagues in this class telling not why they want to migrate to the Libre Office because of the project problem, because of the central government ODF migrating, and he would, every class would come. Then, this is very interesting. They have an order to all the units, telling not you can only send ODF or PDF only. If you want others to edit, you send ODF. If you don't want others to edit, you send PDF. And they will publish every day who's still using Microsoft Office, publish the unit name, every. If we don't have the help from the director of the unit, the people there will still use Microsoft, right? But this really happens. And what we have then is to help it to convert some old Excel files, especially for accounting units. They will have a lot of functions that will help them to convert, and sometimes we don't convert, but once we receive a file, and he also uses incorrect way to make the document. So I just sent an original file back. I didn't recover from them. I just tell them, OK, this original file has several problems. If you really want to know what problem you really want to learn, we can go visit your unit and tell you part of that. We didn't just convert for them and send back. No, we tell them that we found out you have such problems, and we would like to go visit you and tell you what problem is. OK, so we also answer questions that sometimes we will promote the office and other friends open source of work. For example, sometimes we will each of these escape in the course of the press, yes. OK, now the current status. The first thing to say is that, this is part of the National Development Council. They made the OBL become the National Standard Format in Taiwan. And it has become a national policy to use OBL, but from this year, they focused on OBL itself, not the legalities. They tell people that you can use anything you like, as long as you give me OBL file. But then they will find that if they use the Microsoft Office to generate OBL file, OBL file, it will be in a mess. Really. So their goal is to fully migrate OBL to the legal office in 2017. But compared to the central government, the ERA County is really a migrant repatriation, not only OBL. And now I believe that it is very successful now. OK, so now the main comparison of the user, the main comparison is about OBL does not have enough enjoy of iOS editors. iPhone 1 enjoy office in enjoy, but in iOS, I didn't find a public office editor. So if you have information please, just tell me. So that's the current status of the ERA County in Taiwan. OK, then the second story is the core topic. That is not done by my company, but this is our partner. OBL is also very good company. And this company founded by a very senior company member. And they learn Esper in open office, in the legal office, OSSII. And Kotlin is a very big company in Taiwan. The employee should be more than 10,000. More than 10,000. And here is the LCD Baylight Module. OK, the background is still, of course, the budget problem, because according to Microsoft's request, the license fee they need to pay is almost earning in a whole year. As I just told you, just an ERA County, a small county, they will cost $100 million. And for them, almost, it's in the whole year. So from the 2010, they started to think about this. And OSSII started to help them since then. First step they do is to clarify what they really need. This is a very classical, isn't it, popular, EA content access, but how many people use access? Right? How far do I need to pay access? Since only less than one person really uses. And also, in the operating lines, they just need to run some automatic tools. They even don't need the windows, you know? So they're starting to clarify what they really need. And then OSSII started to help them to eventually plan how to migrate. That's also a very important step, because they really basically are almost all the units in the company to understand what they really need. And they started to plan in such a big company what they really need. And then finally they come out with a solution. I will talk about that later. Of course there are training courses, but they just gradually change the use of practice, not one time. Not one time. Gradually. And OSSII developed an OS office, not directly from Libre Office, but mainly solved some problems about Chinese characters and the performance. So when dealing with Chinese, this OS OS office is much suitable for them. But the China branches, they use WPS. Do you know what WPS is? It is also open suite developed by China's developers. But it should not be developed from Libre Office, I believe. But that's very popular in China. So they even forced them to use WPS in China. I think the hybrid solution is combined with Microsoft Windows, Ubuntu Linux, OS Office, and they also keep some work in Excel in case they receive files from outside. But not many. Maybe about less than 10% I believe. Microsoft Results. In 2012, when actually now when they started, you know, they started the cross funding and all the rest of the usage. They passed. Everybody getting Windows, instead of Microsoft. So this is two simple story. The key factors in this case, I believe, the most important is, of course, the support and determination from the spirit unit, from their boss, from the director in the government. That's the most important. And the second, right people, right? If they don't want, if they don't ask for the really health fund, for the community, just from the commercial company, that would be just like Sub-8. We are really the ones who knows how to migrate and how to face the problems. This is also a very important factor to migrate. Using an unified version, it will simplify and avoid many problems caused by universal difference. But they have a problem, and we don't need to ask. For the version we use, 4.4 or 5 or 5.4.1, we just use unified version. Then it will upgrade, maybe half a year or once a year. It will upgrade but not very frequently. Because for users, they just use those features. They don't need to upgrade too frequently. Now, the challenge is in Taiwan, of course, about the Chinese characters. And I believe, later it will have a session about Japanese vertical writing. His problem will also have the same problem, vertical writing. But all ex-office, he solves some of the issues. But you'll have many to deal with. But this is even more important. And I think it may be, it can be key factor. What's that? Audio generated by Microsoft causes a lot of problems. And in the session, by the CEO of Microsoft Taiwan, he animated that he really added a lot of things in his generated audio file. But he said he has no choice because audio is lack of those features. He taught people that Microsoft has a lot to improve the LF. That's what he said. Actually, this is not the labor office issue, but we still need to use that. So maybe I will try to let the Taiwan government to sponsor or to support the development teams in Taiwan to try to deal with this problem. And of course, back to upstream. And I also try to do them to support TDF, to cover TDF. So this is the whole success story. Because we are still moving. But please tell the world, Taiwan is now migrating to audio and the labor office. Thank you. Do you have any question about Taiwan's experience? So I have a topic with questions now. This is my writing, my research. This is OX office. So you said it's derived from labor office. Is there a reason why, or maybe just a timing thing we can't upstream some of those improvements? Yeah, there was some patch upstream. But for example, for some patch that formed sorting. Yeah, in the labor office, in the labor office in Chinese version, the Chinese form will be in the bottom of the list. But they will try to put it in the top of the list. So that Chinese user could easily find the fault. But such patch may not be suitable for committing to upstream. But maybe we could just make that a minor little consideration. Yeah, that's true. Of course, I'd like to tell the government in Taiwan to try to cooperate with PDF and other government. And then we can push the government even more, even further, so they won't get back anymore. Okay. You said Microsoft was extending the ODF files. Yes. That in itself is perfectly allowed, although if you're standardizing on ODF, it may be best to standardize on clean ODF without the extensions. Because the labor office also saves extensions in ODF files. So if you want to have the highest interoperability, you should exchange clean ODF files without the extensions. Unless you really need some of the extensions. But it would be better to save without extensions. But that's an option in the save dialogue. In the save options. I believe that we may need the developers to try to solve this problem. Okay, I will try to tell them. But that's saved from the Microsoft office. So when opening with people office, do we have the option to ignore the extensions? Yeah. Okay, I'll try to. I have a really good question. One of the things I've tried to do is to clarify what we've extended inside of ODF we've published. So we have the key pages, etc. that try to promise the list and have the mitts and all that. So we're very open about that. I would guess that you'll be surprised that Microsoft doesn't do something similar to explain exactly how they extend the ODF and so forth. But if there's anything that we can contact, etc. I think that would be really helpful so that we can see how both pieces offer our extended ODF. And then if there are commonalities and say, okay, those are maybe prime candidates to be included in the experiment of the ODF. It is something that's basically is only cable being extended as an extension. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This one, right? Yeah, it works. It really works. It just took a few days later, almost nobody sent using files. It works. Really. It's very important for them to do this. We can say to force them using the office. Though, we didn't publish tell them that we still they will keep Microsoft off, of course. But Microsoft 2003 could not save ODF, you know. So you have no choice but to use your office. That's all. Actually, before before I started my company I also had the project like what I have said. We have worked to promote open source and free software in Taiwan schools for more than 10 years. Okay. Before I had my own job but I still have them to make this distribution and I also have we have many teachers supporting us and their computer classroom is full of physical even more tedious new but we have worked on promoting in schools for more than 10 years and from last year I started my own company to promote in government and in Paris. Yes. I believe that in Asia right now maybe only Taiwan have a project to promote open source in schools. To spread this to all other countries back in Indonesia and Japan Okay. Thank you.