 the Deputy President himself, saying that we want to discuss hope for children and Kenyans. Kwa Sebabu wa Takamu kono God fathas, akona God the father. Let me start with you and routine, what do you think about that statement by the deputy. As a young man when I see the deputy saying that I am left... I am happy in a way, what do I mean? Because young men in Kenya, or let us say the youth, Letm say the youth, maybe general. The youth, we have for such a long time, tried to have economic empowerment. We eat social, political and economic. Now where we sit right now, our politics is always local. It's always machinations of the big five communities. So if you end up, you don't come from any of them, you and your, you and your politics and whatever you go nowhere. He is trying to change the narrative and he is bringing about the hustlers and the dynasty. Now in doing that to some extent as youth, I would urge them to take advantage of the situation, what do I mean? Every electioneering period we are used as pawns, as ladders for people to go where they want to go. Now every other side, the other side is saying don't take the wheelbarrows and water view and he is saying I am giving wheelbarrows, what do they have to offer? Now if the youth sit or stand at a better position they need to do one thing, that is take the opportunity right now. Everyone is fighting for the youth. Now it is always about their interest. We need, and I am going to be selfish tonight, we need to be selfish as well because we want to be empowered. Be it political, be it economically. So we need to see who between the two sides will take us to where we want to go. Now it doesn't mean you follow them blindly because they have for so long used and dumped us. They have said used, used and abused us. Now it is time for us to check where, because politics is all about interest, where is my interest going to lie. So you see opportunity, I do what the deputy president is doing. Yes I do, as a youth, yes I do because you can tell finally we are trying to, for the first time the youth and women thanks to the 2-3 gender role are coming to the table. These are two groups that have always been marginalized. Let me come to you George. What do you think about the deputy? Do you concur with him? What is your stand? Do you see opportunity in what the deputy president does? Thank you Ram. In as much as I also concur with Nudin, but my question is when we are talking about Hasla, are you supposed to propagate the same narrative also the people that you are supposed to empower so that they should not be Haslas because when you are talking about Hasla and you are giving them the wheel burrows, I admit it is good because it is going to empower somebody. But you see you should not keep these people that you are reminding them that they are Haslas. You should now make them know that you are a Hasla as the deputy president says that he was a Hasla which I admit that he was a Hasla, but now that is not a Hasla at the moment because it is not a Hasla at the moment. Now I need to see him do something better. You are saying he should not maintain this status quo that he should empower people to be better not just to remain as Haslas. You should do that. I would have loved when I see now the deputy president saying that because I was a Hasla, I have made it, I am now going to make somebody not to be the same Hasla I was, but now to do something greater than what he did before. So I accept what Nudini is saying that it is empowering some people, but until when will we empower people on the basics, the things that we know, yes they will put something on the table, but they are not going to make something great. I love one thing that there is nothing for us without us. So when you are talking about Hasla, we have hustled up to a given level. Now we need greater things. Not that we are told that we are leaders of tomorrow, and that tomorrow is not even coming. Somebody is making me, when I was a Bodaboda rider, this person is still confirming to me that I should be a Bodaboda rider by giving me another motorbike. Let me respond. Let me respond. Yes. Away from the wheelbarrow, the wrecks and the Bodaboda that is giving out, the opportunity I am talking about is simple. Under article 100 of the constitution talks about representation in parliament, women, youth, people living in disabilities and marginalized communities. Now, like I was saying, the women and the youth have always, for the longest time ever, they have always been marginalized. What do I mean? When you come to party primaries, normally they can't pay the party fees. That's number one for nomination, let's say. And then number two, they never get a fair chance for the nominations. Number three, when they decide they want to nominate someone to represent the youth, they send someone who is 45, 50, 60 years. How is that person and I? We are technically in two different worlds. You see, so what I am saying, he says a hustler. Fine. Now, how did he become a hustler? He was a hustler, right? He came from someone. Yes. Then how did he get where he is? He used someone. Let me quote a member of parliament from Nyeri, Gunjiri Wambugo. He said this and I quote, When he, that is the deputy president, William Bruto, was a hustler in university, he was not given amkokoteni by President Mui. He was given land. Why can't he give these people land so that they can become like him today? End of quote. Is this the form of empowerment that Kenyan is addressing what the member of parliament has said? Let me tell you something. He was given, they say, a car and land. He is given out to Liberals. That is what he has to offer. He is not Mui. That is what he is saying. So what I am saying, whatever you want, the empowerment you want, will never be handed over to us. You are saying he is not Mui. This is what he cannot offer as a deputy president. Listen to what I am saying. What I am saying is, he will never empower you fully. Nobody in that political class will empower you fully. The youth are the only ones who can empower themselves. And if an opportunity arises where you can strike gold and get where you want to go, you use it. What do I mean? He is bound to try and converse himself with young people. Now, this is the time I ask my fellow young men and women, wake up from the slumber you are in, because the only way you can change the situation is if you go for those positions. If we maintain electing the same people, things will never change. You need to wake up and challenge for the positions. He wants to open an opportunity for you to take. Why not take it? I am speaking of opportunities that are being taken. The National Assembly Minority Whip, that is Honourable Jeanette Mohamed. He spoke yesterday and he said, and I quote, Ruto is running a dangerous narrative of hustler that intends to divide this country into the haves and they have nots. Grouping the hustlers is in preparation of anaki in the country. That's what he said. Now, in your view, do you agree with Honourable Jeanette and how divisive can it be if one is called a hustler and another is called as part of a dynasty? Is it divisive in any way? It is very divisive. Because when you categorize some people to be hustlers and then some people will take themselves that, because they are not categorized as hustlers, they are the haves. Those who are in there, high ends. But how does that divide Kenyans in what sense? Ram, this is going to let some people be so much, you know, when we have a soldier and we have a civilian and we have a soldier who is armed, then we have a civilian who is not armed. And you realize that the civilian has got some rights that are in feed. This person is going to be so much agile to an extent that this person does not think about the other person is armed. Now, look at the narrative of the hustlers and those who are not hustlers. It is going to create a vacuum and this vacuum to some extent will create a given form of anaki where there is going to be widespread lawlessness where those who do not have are seeing the ones who have watu anawa nyanyasa. Look at something like that. So they are going to be so much instigated to an extent that we are not going to see that development. Like I said, in my area of work as a social auditor, I want to see a country where people are united, where we don't have the narrative of asla, we don't have the narrative of dynasty. So what narrative do you want us to have? The narrative that I want us to have is to have a country that is united without divisive politics. Does being called asla divide Kenyans in your view? To be honest, it does. Let me tell you something. You see, he is moving using the famous quote when the poor have nothing to eat, they turn on the rich. And that to some extent is dangerous because we, God forbid, might go the Rwanda way, which is not good. What I believe in, we need to have better policies. Let's not forget that he's still in government. He's a deputy president, right? He's the president, see? Yes, yes. So let us not forget that. Then number two, let us not allow ourselves to be hoodwinked or blindfolded from the fact that Jubilee has not delivered. And we are not asking the serious questions like the stanias, like the laptops and what have you. The pomp and color manifesto they launched. Now we are busy talking about the asla and the dynasty. We need to move from that. And how do you move from that? That is when the youth of this country become accountable. You need to ask yourself, this person, let's say person X, he's been there for 20, 30 years. Then wakes up one more and tells you oh, I have the grand plan to change your life. He doesn't have any plan. So we need to change the narrative from we are leaders of tomorrow. Ram, there's no tomorrow without today. And there's no today without now. So you need to agree that first you are a leader today and now for you to become a leader tomorrow. We need to take the leadership of the country. And how do you do that? By becoming part and parcel of the decision making of the country. You change from being the meal and the menu and becoming an equal partner on the table so that you help in steering the country forward and offer alternative leadership. And if, like I told you, there is an opportunity, both sides are fighting for the young men and women. We are back to YK-92. What we need to do as young men, we need to change from YK-92, which was for Kano, YK youth for Kenya. That is the only way to go forward. But we already have mutes that are in parliament. We have Kenya young parliamentarians. We have so many caucuses or other groupings that are there in parliament. Do you believe that Honorable Ruto is the alternative that you're talking about? I'm not sure. What do you think? Thank you Ram. There is one thing I love with the law students and also lawyers. They don't want to be caught on the wrong. He just realized that. No, but he said he's not your meaning that there is a possibility he could be. Ram, he just realized that. And he could not be. That the narrative of Hasla was going to radicalize a given group. Agrapoi was deviating from what he said. Now, Ram, what is happening is inasmuch as we say that there are youths in the parliament, those are not youths. They are just youthful parliamentarians, but they are not youths. What do you mean? When you talk about youth, the constitution... They are youths, my brother. Those are youthful members in the parliament. My friend here will tell you that the constitution spells what a youth should be. I want us to take a look at this man here, what he said. That is a member of the parliament for Kiharu, Ndindi Nyoro. Something took place during the weekend that took the country by storm. Let's take a look at this.