 I want to ask you just that it seems like hatred of the press and antagonism towards the press now is like become about talking, almost like talking about the weather, everyone from every political stripe just loves to shit all over the press, beat up on the press, and this is in a country with a free press, politicians on both sides of the aisle, I could whip it up, whip it up, and I wanted to just get, you know, your take a bit about that and what you make of it and it leaves me very unhappy and very dissatisfied personally I'll speak because there's never been more press, more availability of press, more speech, more different types of speech, but I'm just very frustrated when I see the press as an institution, journalists as an institution being just constantly demonized and hated on in a country that it seems like we've come the full circle, we used to celebrate freedom with the press and all that goes with it, so what do you mean? I think it's very scary, I think it's very bad and it's very scary and look just to be complete, I think the press is to a large extent at fault, I don't think they are innocent here, they have a particularly I'd say the mainstream press has done bad things and is now suffering the consequences but the problem is that now it's a it's a wholesale denunciation of the press and when you have a president of the United States who intimates, suggests that maybe we should shut down certain press outlets, that maybe certain outlets should be sued, I mean that is beyond dangerous, that is that is anti-the-constitution and that is horrifically, horrifically scary, but so now left and right everybody hates the press, I mean Obama did it to Fox, if you remember Obama went after Fox in a way that was again completely inappropriate for the president of the United States, Trump is now doubled up on that, but it's in the culture, we all hate it and the danger is, and this is again this trend towards authoritarianism, remember the first thing authoritarians need is to get rid of the free press and the first thing you know to get rid of the free press is to discredit it, to disqualify it, to make it seem bad and evil and non-objective and horrible and you're not learning anything from it anyway and it's all biased and it's all manipulative and so on, so that that's step one towards authoritarianism is demean the press, put it down, announce it at every opportunity, step two is well we don't need it because you know we the government can provide you with a more objective interpretation of it or we you know we can shut down just some of the press, you see this in Hungary today with Orban who has shut down pretty much every opposition press and his friends and associates own almost every press outlet, so theoretically it's free press, the government doesn't own it but it's all associates of the president who run the press, so that's step two towards authoritarianism and then step three is I just take it all over in Wadans, so it's a very very dangerous trend and I think while it's been going on for a long time and Obama had a lot to do with it, Trump is taking it to a whole new level and you know it's very scary, now I did say the press is partially responsible for it and I think that's true, I think the quality of journalism over the last 30 to 40 years has come down dramatically because of what they're taught at universities, that is if you're taught at universities that objectivity doesn't matter, that objectivity doesn't exist, right, then they come into journalism embracing their bias and be willing to be biased and they don't even try to be objective because there is no such thing as being objective, so I think that everybody now is accepted, they accepted of themselves, Fox is on the so-called right, New York Times is on the left, you know everybody is in their category and they live up to that and they run stories supporting that and they seem to suppress news that doesn't support their side of the issue, so the whole issue is they don't appear in certain news publications because they don't fit a certain narrative and so they're reinforcing this really really bad tendency in the culture and in politics to blame the press for everything, they are unfortunately playing into that by by being that at least to some extent, but I also accept what you said Jonathan which is the fact is that today and and there is more opportunities to access the news than ever before, a greater variety of news, right, you've got broadcast, you've got cable, you've got internet, you've got all kinds of internet, you've got youtube, you've got all kinds of stuff, there's more, if you want to do the research you can figure out, I mean and then you've got all these websites that dedicate themselves to figuring out what is fake news and what is not, to actually telling you, you know, Biden said X, is it true, isn't it, and there's a whole industry now of websites, now some of them are better, some of them are not, but again you can test all those out, so there's massive opportunities here for you as an active individual to figure out, now compare that to when Reagan ran for president and you know, he was facing three networks, that was it, NBC CBS and ABC, no Fox, no CNN, no internet, and no talk radio, so this is the time before Rush Limbaugh, before talk radio, before anybody, so all he was facing was three networks that were clearly left, the New York Times, Washington Post, the print media, which was dominantly left, and he won, so if you're conservative, let's say today, you have a million places you can find news oriented to you, although what you should be looking for objective information, you should be looking across a variety of different news sources, those days you had nothing, nothing, you lost the journal maybe, and even then the editorial page, not the fund page, the fund page has always been pretty left, so I just don't want, I hear this from even objective this, I get very frustrated when I hear people condemning the press, the press, because it's like condemning free people's minds, maybe they're frustrated that the culture is left, that the culture isn't where it is, but condemning the press itself, I think it reminds me of a screen guide for Americans, Iran talked about don't put down business people, don't make them the enemy, don't make them the villain, and I feel the same way about the press, if you have a problem with a particular piece of the press or element of the press, speak out about that, but to condemn the press in a society where there's a free press is delivering ourselves into authoritarian things. I mean I think that's true, although again the one thing I would say is to the extent that the press has abandoned the objectivity, has abandoned trying to be objective, that's what they should be condemned for, and you know so I think more than anything we should be condemning journalism schools, we should condemn the universities and the fact that what they're teaching is lack of objectivity, but it's very hard today, I mean I find it very hard today, somebody who consumes a lot of news, to find what I consider an objective source of information. I have to adjust for biases all the time, I have to read multiple sources to make sure that a story, no matter what the news source, if I read a quote I have to go find original to make sure they haven't taken it out of context. That is sad, that's not good, right, and that I don't think existed 30-40 years ago. I think 30-40 years ago you could trust the quote, you could trust that the journalist was trying to be objective, and I don't think that's true today and that worries me, so I can understand condemning journalism as not being as good as it used to be, but I agree with you that to condemn the press as an institution, and to talk about shutting it down, or to talk about it as the enemy, right, as Trump does all the time, right, the press is the enemy of the people, that is unbelievably dangerous, unbelievable. I personally think it's going to self-correct over the next few decades, I think that like you point out, fact-checking sites, and more importantly, bottom lines, as people see their audiences dwindle, they're going to realize that some of the strategies they've tried in the early days of the internet were bad ideas. Yeah, I hope so. I, you know, on days I'm pessimistic and I think Alex Jones is going to win, but yeah, I certainly hope that real journalism wins out, and objectivity returns, and the fact that there's a discussion and I think this is a good sign, there's a discussion about this issue right now, about objectivity and journalism, you know, I think some of it is coming out of the intellectual dark web, some of it's coming out of other places, even people on the left are now saying, well, wait a minute, you know, journalism sees the veer away from fact. I think there is a chance that we get a swing away from, you know, from just this lack of objectivity and this biased news. Even the internet commentariat is, in effect, like a cloud of mosquitoes attacking the mainstream media, I think that's healthy in its own way, that there, I think a lot of people, and I'm certainly there, get a lot of our news through secondary or, I guess, tertiary sources. 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