 Need to figure out how to post to many places at once. Yeah, I know right? I believe we are live Well, I just posted on X which Somebody over the weekend Eileen called it Exeter X X I T T ER Exeter You know Hello everyone. Hi y'alls What's going on? What is happening? This is so super fun for all of you joining us Eileen and I are About to kick off our beta episode of Apple vision show if you have been Along for the ride thus far We we want very much want your feedback in order to figure out what the show is going to be We have lots of our own ideas obviously, but we're hoping that it is a fun collab effort and And we're happy to have you with us All right, shall we begin let's begin did that look pro I thought so Eileen is the one who's who's doing some behind-the-scenes fancy fancy pants stuff. So I'm like looks good to me. I don't know how you did that A little bit of Canva a little bit of motion Worked out. It looked awesome. It looked awesome. I I really do I like where we're gone with all of this So hi everybody Yeah, and I'm Eileen Rivera Look, I didn't even put my last if you're watching on visuals I just put my first lame like Madonna on here. We're got to put my last name, but It's all good. Um, I sometimes wonder too because I always say at Sarah Lane where I'm like I'm at Sarah Lane everywhere But that's not yeah, actually true. I don't have the Sarah Lane Handle on every social network, especially not some of the recent ones. So okay, I don't know I figure everybody can find me. Yeah, they'll find you somehow. They'll find you through the first Sarah Lane and then They'll just yep scope you out even more someone will be like, are you the ballet dancer? I'll say no, that's a different one But you know, it's all good. Hey, you know what you could pretend like you're a ballerina, right? You can be like sure why not I This is a very very non sequitur story as we get into a show about Apple But um back in the day back in the day Eileen, you might have heard the story. So apologies if you have when Black Swan the movie was was You know getting lots of awards and this and that Natalie Portman stunt double was a ballerina named Sarah Lane not me different Sarah Lane and There was some controversy about You know, this is I don't know what 2012 something like that some controversy about how much You know the accolades she had gotten, you know as the stunt double, you know kind of being like well They made it seem like Natalie Portman did a lot more than she actually did and the actual ballerina was you know feeling snubbed kind of thing Anyway, because of that right around kind of like Oscar buzz time There you know, there were there were a lot of articles about this and somehow My my phone number got into the mix to the point where no for about a week or two You know like very early in the morning East Coast time, you know, we're like CNBC, you know was like, you know hoping to get a You know a soundbite or something I was getting these phone calls or people being like can you please speak on the controversy with Natalie Portman about the movie and Boy, I almost lost my mind. Oh my god. Yeah, which I mean and I I would love to meet other Sarah Lane one day. I mean, it's not her fault. It just was Mistaken identity thing and I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that I was at Sarah Lane on Twitter So yeah, just figured that that was who it was Would have it have been bad for me to think if I were you I would have tried to answer at least I would have tried to be interviewed once So I I kind of did try to do that once it was half-hearted I could have tried harder But it was yeah, it was like some CNN hit where I was like Well, I don't you know I mean, where's the satellite office that I'm supposed to go to and they were like, well, let's get back to you That's good. Yeah. Yeah, you know Sort of like well you woke me up. It's five in the morning Pacific time. So yeah, where am I supposed to go? Yeah, again, this is sort of before the days of zoom I think a lot of satellite hits are now happening. But yeah, anyway, so that's my story I love that story every week. We'll have some like, you know Personal inside story that everybody can get to know us a little bit better for that one's awesome Exactly. I mean, there's gotta be another Eileen Rivera out there. Just you know, there is your your life I don't think the other one is that popular, but I know that there's an actress. I think I Don't know. I don't like to Google myself. So I don't really know but when I did one. So I was like, oh Okay, there's an actress another Filipino woman, but she has a good portfolio and a nice website I was like, oh, this is great. Good for her. Oh Maybe I should look into it. Maybe I should look in look into it for the next show We'll see I like the idea that you just say I don't want to Google myself Yeah, I don't really want to either but I do it anyway and then I'm like you do I'm well not in the last week I think I'm just afraid of what I'm gonna see like I don't know I just I am like what not that I have any, you know skeletons in my closet, but I'm just like, I don't know I mean, there were there were days There were days where you know when blogging was kind of in its infancy That I you know, I was very prolific, you know, I'm writing all the time and that stuff Still exists kind of on the internet, but a lot of it. I'm just like, oh my god. That was like so oversharing of you, Sarah Yeah, like what you know like like it's it's okay. I've evolved Many of us have some people are, you know, very prolific writers now and didn't used to be so There's no right or wrong here, but some of that stuff. I'm just like, I'm a little cringy The old Sarah's a little cringy We'll just go ahead and you know, keep that to ourselves Think about all the people that are just like exposing themselves on tiktok and are gonna be like, oh, no I wish I hadn't said that because there are days where I'm like, thank goodness There wasn't all of the social media when I was in my, you know, 20s, right? Yeah, that'd be digging some stuff up now. Where'd you go? What did you do? I don't know What did you wear the wear and the hair like, oh no, but anyway, fluency so much in fluency Yeah, I wish I could have influenced back in the day making that brand deal. But anyway Well, anyway, so Apple vision show here we are Eileen and I we're we're just kind of getting the hang of this So we're so glad to have y'all long for the ride because this is this is a lot of fun And as we for anybody who watched our live stream last week, we you know We we really do want as much feedback as possible. That will help us make the show that you want That said What we want to do is talk all things apple good bad everything in between and so We thought we would start out today and again, we're four days away from getting the apple vision pro headset Which uh, which we are we some people are going to be waiting a little bit longer because Um, their pre-orders sold out quickly, but um, but we are expecting our unit on friday So we'll do like a fun unboxing type thing, but uh, as we as we sort of count on the days to that What what what do you what do you have on your mind Eileen? Well, you know what I just went to the mall this weekend And decided hey, we have an apple store. I'm gonna go in I was actually thinking about, uh head headsets Right. I wanted to try on the uh the air max, right and done that before I we were talking, you know a couple weeks ago about the vision pro and like Sharing and how gross that is. I did look at the air max. I'm like, oh it looks a little dirty, but I do I just want to feel how heavy it is anyway go into the store and There's it's a friday evening other people have better plans than to go the apple store uh, not me and The there were more employees than customers. This is the first time in a while that I've seen that and Bless them bless the apple employees, but I swear I would walk one inch. I do you need anything? Um, I'm just going over there. Oh, just let me know if you need anything walk another inch. Hey, do you need anything? um Yeah, I just I just want to go there. Usually I don't get bothered Usually I can't get anyone to help me because it's too busy and I'm just like just need to buy these headphones That was not the case and it felt like they were like hi hi and the eyes were like, oh my god There's a body in this place and I could talk to someone because I'm so bored And I swear five people talked to me and I was just trying to get to the airbags and I put it on And he's like, hey, I can't remember his name, but he's like, hey, I'm so-and-so. Wow. What are you here for? I'm like, um, these right here these headphones. Anyway, I just felt like What movie am I in right now? Why does everybody need to talk to me? I'm just going one place I'll raise my hand. Maybe it's the introvert in me. That's like, don't talk to me Don't talk to me until I need something you mentioned that this was over the weekend I mean were you there like right when the mall opened? No, this was at night. So this was like Seven ish In fact, I think the storm. I mean, I think they closed at like nine So, you know, it's towards the end of the evening and I gotta say the energy of all the apple employees was there They were not just kind of like not looking down not looking at you. No, no, no, no I don't know. Is there like a rota they need to talk to x amount of customers on a day, you know I don't know what it was. It just I don't know I felt like I was in a movie like hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. I was like, yeah We were like, okay a lot, you know having worked in retail When I was in college, um, which I was not good at at all Because I'm not the person like if someone's like no, leave me alone. I'm like, okay I will never talk to you again until you come to the cash register and want to buy something you know, but um, but but obviously The apple employees, I think as you're describing are trained to you know, just make sure that nobody ever has a question that's not answered You know trying to be helpful trying to be helpful I've always found that uh, my apple store experiences or at least I don't know in the last Decade plus or pretty seamless. I walk in there. I've got a reason, you know, I'm not going into apple stores to browse These days because I just kind of have everything I need unless I want something very specifically You know, maybe I'm maybe I want to look at, uh, you know, like a A certain display to to make sure that it is the thing that I'm going to buy online later Um, but for the most part unless it's like a genius bar thing where I'm trying to get something fixed Which is oh boy. Do I have a few of those stories? I kind of like go in Someone will come up to me and be like, what do you need? I'm like new iphone. They're like great How many gigs got it terabyte? Okay, and here's your credit card and you're on file. Bye That's the best. That's the best Truthfully, I was trying to vlog and I was just trying to get some like shots, you know And maybe like show it in our show at some point And I just all of a sudden because they kept coming at me. I was like, um, okay. I put my phone away That was like Feeling self-conscious like should I not be filming? I think it's okay, but it just felt weird. Yeah I mean you wouldn't be the first person who was well, uh, the uh the only apple store I've had a couple apple store experiences not bad ones, but um My my the most recent one was actually An apple store that doesn't exist anymore in san francisco's union square Now it it does exist in a different part of union square. And if you if you're not familiar, it's uh, just a it's a big Retail part of kind of the downtown area of san francisco. You have a lot of high-end stores You know, you have sacks fifth avenue and gucci and the apple store and this and that and I was down there Um when I say down there because I used to live north of there, uh, probably I don't know a year ago and Um I was doing some work and I had some time to kill Before I got back in my car to go home and I was like, ah, you know, maybe I'll just like walk around I'll go to the apple store and I walked by it and I was like, where is the apple store? now this particular apple store is significant because This was one of the apple stores for sure that people were, you know, lining up around the block three times over To get iPhones back on the day, right? It's like that store the palo alto store, which is closer to apple headquarters um A little bit south of san francisco But I mean this was this was a pretty big store and I you know, I I was I felt like Kind of like what you're talking about like am I in a movie like what happened to the apple store? You know and I looked it up on my phone. I was like, oh, okay It's over on the other side of unions were okay. We're all we're all good But yeah, I spent I spent some time in that store. I will say spend some time in that store, but um But yeah, uh things change and maybe Your experience this last weekend Was a bit of a lull because apple Assumes that a lot of people will be coming in to try out the vision pro next weekend I guess I should go again Well, I mean, yeah, yes or no. I mean We'll already have one but I actually do want to kind of figure out how that experience is Yeah, you know so we can tell other folks Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I know I guess uh to to to circle back Hopefully if you are interested you go to the apple store and you try out the apple vision pro and let us know what you think Because I'm definitely going to have my opinions I'm still a little wary of I I you know pre-show is telling sarah. I was watching all the videos a little propagandist videos But you know, they made it look amazing. They made it look really cool Uh, even like the dad in his kitchen doing his stuff than his daughter runs in. He's like, what do you need, you know um making it look really personal, but um, yeah I think I think trying it, uh, if you're not really in the market is is still something that I think people should do Just to kind of like understand the technology. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. Uh apple has pushed um Very heavily, you know, how much content you'll be able to consume Using the vision pro now. I'm not going to sit here and say that that's not a great idea and that it won't be You know, widely adopted Right now If someone said hey, do you want the vision pro to watch your favorite disney plus movie? I'd be like no, I'll just do that in my living room Right, you know, why do I need to do maybe if I was on a plane or otherwise You know, I was I was traveling like the whole travel part of this. I'm like Well, I mean, it's not an insignificant thing to pack But that that could that could That could you know move the needle a bit, but at the same time That's a very expensive device to just think about for you know, like a once in a while travel Exactly exactly. I mean, I'm excited to see the you know, um, the opportunities Moving forward that's something like this so the device could lend us as a human as a people, but uh There's always got to be something, right? Uh, there's always going to be something pushing Uh consumerism into the future and maybe this is it. I don't know. We'll see but uh, I am excited to see what it's like Uh, I I don't know yet. Sarah should I be wearing it on our first show or you be wearing it on our first show? I don't know how that's gonna work But I feel like I've gotten some requests. You got to wear it the entire show whoever has it wear it and I'm like, okay, we have the opportunity to And you know, again just based on how we're we're going, you know, how we're doing the show live right now If we air play what someone has seen And use that as a source Then everyone else could potentially see that we have to play around with that a little bit over the next week We do. Um, well weekend, uh, could we don't get it until friday? But uh, yeah, no, I I I'm excited about it. I really am I think that there's a lot of I don't want to say naysaying There's a lot, you know, a lot of folks just being like, I don't know. I don't know if apple's got a hit with this one I don't know, you know Developers don't see all that excited apple talks about, you know, all the apps that you're going to have Uh, you know on hand as soon as you get a vision pro and you know and and put it on your head And that's all true. Many of those are ios or ipad apps Some of those are vision os uh specific apps In fact, um I read something earlier today that zoom, um, which is kind of the it's like the Kleenex of of of of um Of of Kleenex, you know when you talk about like doing something virtually on zoom Even though it could be a variety of other platforms But uh zoom is going to have um an apple vision pro app uh starting day one, um and You know the idea making Well zoom wants it to be like, you know So collaboration is better than ever for people who are remote because no one's going back to the office Which I think is very smart. I I think you know zoom doing something like this Um out of the gate makes a lot of sense and I think you know if that if that makes people feel like Gosh, it's almost like we're in a conference room together after all of this time because I know There are a lot of teams who are still wondering about that. This is perhaps one way to do that. There are others Um, I also, you know read that mark zuckerberg obviously ceo of meta said very excited about the vision pro just making this You know this whole segment of tech make more sense, you know It's it's helping us feel like we were on to something, you know competition is good I mean, I guess that's what they have to say, but yeah Yeah, and I mean good for zoom getting into this, you know first First wave and then they'll probably adapt and make it better But you know, I I know you're not going to see say I'm using the headset. You're not necessarily going to see me doing this Right, but you're going to see like a persona of me. I guess which was I've seen that looks a little Strange, but I guess that's what people on zoom would be seeing or or not They could see like a wallpaper or whatever, but Yeah, I mean, uh Maybe we should try it We we're gonna try we're gonna try all the apps basically we're gonna try zoom And I want to know like what I see versus what you see in vice versa when we do this because this yeah We just got to you know, I think um I think there will be obvious Uh use cases of the Apple vision pro that are gonna be you know set it apart, but I don't know without seeing it yet I don't I don't quite know what that is. So I'm gonna, you know Hesitate in my praise of all of it until we see it Uh, and then yeah, and you know again, it's like listen, we're doing the show Which is which again is not just about the vision pro It just happens to be timed so that this is you know, kind of a big deal for us as we're getting the show off the ground Apple vision show is all things apple but vision pro clearly one of those things But I you know, I feel the same way as you it's I I really like I mean I know apple wants to call it spatial audio many people to say vr or spatial reality People say vr or ar or augmented or you know, there are so many buzzwords buzz terms And I don't really think A lot of that matters all that much like whatever call whatever you want, but you put this on Does it make your life better? Do you say wow? This is so cool. I can't imagine going back That's how I felt with the quest when I really used it. Yes. Oh, wow Yeah, because I was sort of like, I mean vr was around for years and I just was like, yeah It's not really my thing, you know, it was it was touted very much as like a gaming device Um, not the quest specifically, but just you know vr Hardware in general, you know, you know where I'm like, well, I mean I like tetris But I'm not like I'm not I'm not gaming all that often So like maybe this just sort of isn't for me Then I tried it and I was like, oh, this is really cool But again, we're talking something that was you know in the three hundred dollar range Not the 3,500 dollar range. Yeah, so if some you know if apple's like, hey, you're never gonna You know watch a movie and love it as much as this. I'm like, I don't know I think you got to give me more than that Right, so yeah, we'll we'll have to we'll have to try out the apps And I think there are going to be a lot of apps that maybe aren't Developed specifically for vision os That that are you know, let's say, um, you know an iPad app that just runs well that the developer hasn't opted out to put into the The vision pro app store that people go this is amazing. It's so great You know and the developer didn't even have to do anything. It just works I just don't know what those are yet. I don't know either Yeah, it's hard to predict the future and lots of people love to do it But until you have it in your hands, I really you know I can't wait though. I can't wait. I don't mind making a fool out of myself doing I don't either We can we can be fools together We can be fools together, but as we look forward to The next week it's going to be it's going to be a big week for apple, you know The a few people have already tried out the vision pro, but most have not art You know us included so right we're going to have a lot a lot more informed opinions real soon Um, but until then I know uh that uh last week Apple had celebrated the max 40th anniversary 40 years. Happy birthday to mac How many mac devices have you owned over the years? I feel like I've I've used And owned so many and then I found on wikipedia. Look at this chart. It's crazy Those of you listening to audio on wikipedia. There is a timeline and it looks like that is crazy Like a like a gantt chart of all of the different max Uh And let's see like I can just keep scrolling to the left Until you get to today, but like this is a lot of different iterations and I have to say I feel like I've lived through most of them and used quite a handful of them I don't even remember honestly which one was my first one. I mean I had the clam show book, you know one point um, I always had a mac I believe Either through school and then eventually owning my own, but when I looked at this chart, um, and uh, wow like That's a lot. It's a good reminder of yeah, like how far we've come and and and pardon me The fact that apple is still trying to figure out like okay. What do people want? Exactly Let's you know, let's give them six options and sort of see what people buy What's uh, funny about this is when you said like how many max have you owned? I'm like, uh, so many But I I wasn't an early adopter Especially like in the scholastic Era of my life The the iMac, you know the colorful iMac that I don't know launched in like 99 98, you know that it was the you know, it's still quite large. Yeah, you had yellow and teal and you know And it was um, very popular, you know with college students and dorms I I never had one of those one of my cousins did and I was sort of like Whatever max, you know, I'm I'm more of a windows person and I think You know back in the day you and I worked at some of the same companies You would go to the office. You have a windows machine at your cube You use it and then you go home. Yeah, maybe you have a computer at home But you know it was I I never had a mac at home I had you know another windows machine That I used or or where I didn't you know at the end of the day and the first time that I owned my own mac was the original mac book pro And I think I bought that in well, maybe it wasn't the original but it was it was one of the first um Because it was there were mac books and then the mac book pro was introduced I think this was 2005 Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Let me go back to this chart go back to the chart. I lean and find it but um it was it was like Such like a crazy purchase because I was just sort of like I felt like a little bit of an imposter because for so many years I was familiar with the mac os, you know, and I I wasn't like not into max, but I had I had shied away for so long because I'm like, yeah mac people are just like all they talk about is max You know, and I'm just you know, I'm more sort of like a free thinker You know, what about linux and um, and yeah once I got the The uh that first mac book pro. I was like, all right, we're done here and I've I've I still have several windows machines just to play around with but I've been mac all the time since Looks like 2006. Am I right here? 2006. Yeah, that's that yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I said 2000. Yeah, I think 2006 might have that might have been it Yeah, because I ended up taking that thing Uh, which was I mean, I don't even know what happened to that machine. Um, it Not in my possession anymore, but um, I I traveled with that like wall backpacking for a while time And it was it was the most precious cargo Oh, gosh, I was so worried that thing was going to be stolen the entire time. Uh, never was never was So it's amazing how much lighter they become because I remember having I think I had like A power book and I was trying to look up Where that is and then obviously mac books and and on and on I generally had more of a laptop versus Uh, a desktop although I did have a tower at one point Uh, when I worked at revision three, I had a tower because I was doing a ton of editing and and it just it Worked so much better. Um, but now I'm back. I'm back with my uh, 14 inch mac book pro 2021 one terabyte Been pretty happy with it all these good machine. Good machine. So that would be an m1 Yep. Yep. Um, my mac book air is also an m1. It was it was the first Kind of m1, you know, that you could get as a as a laptop. Um, that um Is technically a dts computer, uh, but it's still in my possession, you know, I use it daily And uh, it was the first laptop that when I did just kind of I don't know Something that was labor intensive like Logic pro, uh You know, whatever. Um, yeah, something something where it's like, all right, the fan's gonna wind up and you know We're gonna we're we're gonna put this thing to the test. I was like, wow, no fan. How about that? It's my little like like I'm like laptop. Are you alive? Are you actually running like what it's yeah, I was like it was like you don't really think it's going to Matter and you get used to it just not being loud But I I'm using a mac mini for the show that we're recording right now It's just it's just the setup that I have, you know, and this guy You know, if I were to uh fire up logic right now, it'd be like You know and like like you might see a spinning wheel here and there like it can do it But it's struggling a little bit, you know when I do too many things at once So gosh the m1 um and you know Kudos to all you folks who have later versions of it But that was like I remember telling people like it's like it's dead However, it's also alive It really it's really kind of cool Those are the kinds of like advancements that really to me Helped your lifestyle because now you're not feeling like it's working so hard And you have to work harder to keep up. It's more of like yeah, we're all quiet. We're all calm and Go on your merry way, you know exactly exactly there are a few people i'm looking at our chat and iPad pro main computer these days and two windows machines for work stuff like I have not made that switch. I mean I have my ipad pro Uh, and I use my uh laptop as more of like a Mac mini like a docked machine, you know Uh, and then when I'm just kind of all around the house. I've got my ipad pro Uh, no keyboard yet, but I mean I I have keyboards. I have this, you know This keyboard sure but it's interesting how people have adapted to ipad pros Uh like willy here. So um, and there's more than one In the chat right now talking about ipad pro main computers like wow yeah, I I remember back, uh in the earlier days of ipad launched in 2010 and you know, I've Because again, I was doing shows and talking about uh everything apple, you know, I had Pretty much, you know every time that apple would introduce like here's a new ipad. Here's the ipad mini. Here's the you know ipad air try to all of those out and there were I feel like there was like There was a wave of people being like, okay I'm going to not use my you know any of my actual machines I'm only going to use my ipad as my main computer. Can I do it? You know people who are like tech journalists or you know, otherwise very much into tech and people had great solutions. Um, and I have uh, Quite a few friends to this day who are like, yeah when I'm home I'm I'm not Opening a laptop. I'm not sitting on a desktop computer. I mean, unless you know, unless it's like a like a hardcore gaming thing Yeah, you know, I'm just got my ipad. Yeah, maybe I've got a bluetooth keyboard all good and it's like Really? I've never quite gotten there Yeah, right unless I'm just passively doing something Um, but I'm also, you know, I've got My iphone with me. I almost never use this Unless I'm away from my own wi-fi at home Because I have a laptop and I have a desktop and Even though there's nothing wrong with you know, I mean you can do lots of things on mobile devices I'm like, I want my keyboard and maybe I'm just old school I'm kind of generally the same for important like I'm logging into a specific website that has You know, like I don't know health insurance or what? You know, like I want to get in there and do it on my laptop versus kind of yeah Yeah, feel like you're like, okay, we're about to do something significant here And I think it's because I'm just not there yet where I have truly sunk all of my like necessities like last pass last pass to my Chrome on my ipad and so but it just feels weird too. Sometimes it's just it doesn't feel Right to do some of only some only a few things on my iPad pro now. I love going on amazon and all that, you know that You know these it's bad. I'm like, oh look at it. I can walk and sit in my couch and let me oh, you know what? This is this seems like a good product. I should buy that Been there in fact, there are a couple of those boxes on my front stoop right now I was like that was way too easy Okay Now there are people out there kevin m3 laptop in heaven. I'm jealous. All right, kevin Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, I I think the Yeah, I you know the the m series of max. I mean I I can't say enough good things about the the air, you know and again that it's it's still first gen m1 um That I use as my main laptop when I'm not, you know sitting right here Love it Absolutely great, but um, I am kind of jealous of folks who have who have gone beyond I just don't need any laptop right now Yeah, no, I don't either I mean, I think a really good topic for us too is to talk about, you know Why you should upgrade to certain devices or why not or you know, even through just our own lens Like right now we're both like we don't need to upgrade even though I would love the faster speeds I would love for it to hum Like a What do we have we have like a do we have like a Mercedes and the new m3s are like Ferraris is that m? Is that the analogy I don't know or are we even are we even more down? Are we some car person? Please weigh in until I know, you know, I'm like, are are we like the s-class Mercedes? This is probably pretty cool too, but Yeah Little rich for my blood, but we were we were talking about this exact same thing last week It's like yeah when you were saying, you know apple watch maybe getting a little long in the tooth and I'm like, yeah, I mean You you'll notice a difference, you know with with with the new one um And at the same time I I really just And we all have members of our family less technical folks in our lives Friends from high school whoever it may be who you know will come to us and be like, oh you work in tech. What do I buy? What do I get? Do I need this and? um I mean more often than not. I'm like, well, what are you doing? what do you you know do you Did your laptop fall into a lake and will no longer boot up then you need a new one You know and I can definitely point you you know in the direction of a few things You know depending on your budget, but I I never feel like Any of us should upgrade to something just because it's cool Listen, if you've got the money to spare and you want cool things go. Congratulations to you right, but but for for most people Right, I think it's like let's talk about how this will work How this will make your life easier and I think that's you know, what the end of the day That's what we're all doing most of the time is like let's make this as easy as possible Whatever we're doing Now series four here. I'm wearing my series four. It is quite old and I find now that if I don't wear it If I wear it every other day, this will go long This will go a whole day sad, but I you know me Yes, it's time to upgrade now if you're further along than me Maybe you don't need to because wow, I hung on I hung on to the series four for a very long time And it's worked up until like the last couple months it's it's been kind of thinking Yeah, uh Let's let let let's part ways. I think it's telling me uh ever so ever so softly I think we need part ways And you know and if that's the case and you're like, hey, this is you know the series nine I know I know it's like nine. Yeah, like it's like, you know, I got the seven I'm like, well, I don't need a like, you know, this feels you know, I wear it all day every day um Even sometimes in the shower when I forget that's how much I wear it, uh, which nothing bad has ever happened I guess it gets clean, but um But yeah, if you if you have reasons for you know, like here's the one two three reasons that this is going to be better Uh, this has functionality that the you know, older version doesn't have I'm not even talking about watches specifically But just yeah, all of the anything. Yeah, yeah, then then that's you know, that's where it becomes fun And that's where I think it's like, you know, you set aside some money you get yourself something nice And then you know, you can feel good about your purchase Exactly exactly Um, I saw this here question for us. Do either of you listen to lossless audio I'm not quite sure. Is that just related to our conversation on the mac or on logic? Maybe Well, I think so this question is from mr. Portney. I I I think you're probably talking about apple music Like um lossless audio, um that that's certainly Yeah, if I was exporting something from logic, I could export as lossless um, I personally uh, don't Pay a whole lot of attention to whether something's lossless or not unless uh for a job That's part of you know, the expectations of you know, the file that I have to give somebody else But Eileen, I think you know, you and I both listen to a lot of music um often, you know, you know with our earbuds doing our thing and I you know, and I I listen to You know, unless I'm on a walk with my dog the majority of everything that I'm listening to on apple music or apple podcasts Is in my car You know, I use carplay and you know, that's just you know, it's you know, the you know Terrestrial radio or it's something that you know, I want to I want to play specifically and I'm not like That picky about what something sounds like Particularly a podcast, you know, when you're listening to us right now It's like I mean how much bass do you want us to have? If you have like a great sound system awesome go nuts But otherwise it's like, you know, we're we're just talking there's some music here and there You know, maybe some sound effects music a little bit different, but um, I am I'm not a huge And I I don't want to use the word snob in a way that makes it sound, you know, like if you care about, um Lost audio or, you know, great audio that like, you know that you shouldn't care. Um, I just don't care that much Yeah, yeah, I don't know that I I think I have noticed when it's happening. Uh, but it's not like I seek it out If that makes sense and um, I'm happy to explore more of whether or not I should I just I just haven't so, um But I I love people that are really into sound quality and can, you know, uh Tell me why I need to I mean, I'm still very much. Um We talked about this before but, you know, when you're listening to spatial audio, I'm a little bit like It depends on the song. So I'm not I'm not like it needs I need to have that so I don't think I'm Uh, not wanting to experience something new and something better in quality. I just I I I just I see what's available and that's how I listen to it, you know, and as long as it's, um As long as I can hear it as long as it sounds great then Yeah, and I I think maybe, um, you know, and Uh, the person who broach this question, um, you know, maybe it has a little bit more to do with Uh music libraries that you own, you know, some people, uh Myself not included because I just like I don't need hard drive space or physical space Getting, you know, I just I've gotten rid of all of that except some vinyl records that I still hold on to Everything else is just I'm just subscribing To streaming audio and I'm good with that. That's not for everybody Totally understand. Um, and I think when when you've built a Library, I mean not just music, you know music movies, whatever it might be Um, uh, a lot of that sound quality really does make a difference Not only because you want like the best quality possible But also storage space, you know, that that also factors into it. And so that's a whole conversation to have as well We've been buying a little bit more vinyl these days. Have you? Yeah Yeah, you know, um, some of the packaging is gorgeous the the actual album Depending on, you know, they're colorful Um, but they sound, you know, it sounds It sounds a bit retro, which is kind of nice. Not that I'm always looking for the retro stuff You know how like I feel like Gen Z these days are going back and getting digital cameras I'm like, uh, you have your phone and it's so much complete. Why do you have to go and Get film processed and stuff like that unless you're you know a film Student but people are doing that they're going back to remember Remember when you were you had your digital camera or film camera and you had to go get it processed Like that's a thing. That's a trend and I'm like, uh No, I live that and I was so happy when everything Worked really well on my phone. I'm good. I don't need to go back there but you know a friend of mine, uh, recently went to Sedona in arizona. I've never been um, and you know, uh Uh, they uh he and his wife what I think they kind of did like a like a spa weekend kind of thing But also, you know went to the Grand Canyon and you know did like cool stuff And I saw some photos and I was like wow Those photos are amazing. That was with your iphone and he goes now now I bought the um, it's called the um The fuji film x100 v He you know sent me a link and I was like, you know It's a you know, it's a digital camera. Yeah, it's not like, you know old super old school. It's fairly new But like yeah, he was like it's a standalone camera and I was like, okay I love this first of all your pictures look awesome. So, you know gray cam but like And and you've got your iphone and this and how do you you know, and he said well I don't have both of them, you know in my pockets at all times But on sort of like what I would consider special occasions. I like to have the dedicated You know camera thing that just does the camera thing You know, there's no instagram notifications. There's no dm. There's no email It just does the one thing now people have been telling me this for years like oh, it's so nice To just have something that does the one thing or even to the point where it's like I'll take my iphone out, but it's on airplane mode, you know, so I can only use it as a camera I've never gotten to that point. I feel like I get it Psychologically, I get why it's cool to do that And helpful and maybe freeing But I I don't know. I'm still just connected all the time. I I don't know where it's at I have that fuji camera and do you yeah, and it was and and admittedly I don't use it as much and I even took it With us to our trip to soul and I didn't use it as much. I ended up using my phone more and I wanted to learn Better photography skills with it and I bought it 2018 maybe amazing all the version of that camera and so it's nice to have But I have to say on my person like having it in my purse plus my phone like grabbing it out Instead of my my phone is so quick and if we're moving really quick I don't I don't know. I just kind of forgot about it sometimes and it felt heavy with me I'm just not like an avid photographer outside of my phone, but I still have it and um I don't know. I keep seeing more people using it and I'm getting inspired again to kind of like, okay, let me try But I'm you know, so yeah, I was I was wanting to just learn the art of photography a little bit better Like how to use the macro zooms just all of that stuff Uh, and I and I got a little good primer with it, but I didn't really follow through But I have it so um as I am like, oh, I never want to do the digital photo again I did buy But this was like five years ago and now I'm like wait Do I still feel that way and sometimes I'm like, maybe I do but maybe I'm just being influenced by everything I see on like Instagram or whatever, but you know This is probably you know at at some point we'll have to do just like a super photography based series of shows. I mean one episode wouldn't be enough but um This is something that I I've been thinking about a lot lately because just got a new iPhone So I'm you know, I'm still trying to figure out like, okay, what do I really want on my home screen, you know I it's so easy to just like back up from iCloud and then it just looks the same but I have newer hardware It's like sometimes it's nice to reimagine, you know the experience and I for the longest time on my home screen I had you know a folder that I had I don't know 10 to 15 apps inside the folder called photography And I didn't use all of them every day But I I painstakingly would you know do post-processing using variety of apps like hypstematic Oh my gosh. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it was all like I think A lot of this had to do with like the early days of Instagram And being like, okay. Well Instagram has built-in filters and you know, some people sort of chuckle about You know that whole thing like oh, you know, whatever picture you took you can just make it look better with very little effort And I was like, well, that's true But there are also a lot of other apps where you can go like way deeper And really have fun with it and learn a little something in the process and you know, not like I'm like world's greatest photographer I'm very much not but I I spent a lot more time tinkering around and I don't exactly know when I stopped doing that. I think Part of it was because the iphone's own Camera slash post-processing just got good enough that some of those apps were sort of rendered invalid But uh, but yeah, maybe it's uh, maybe it's worth Worth another look and you and I both we know quite a few people who Really really care about the stuff and would have a lot to say about it So we can pull them and and share with the group There's also something to be said about the no hashtag no filter, you know, when you're like, uh, I like it really natural Um beatmaster 80 says I guess you think differently about a shot when using a real camera quote unquote real Instead of a phone Yes Yeah, maybe you feel a little bit more artistic I don't know or um You know with the window depending on how you are Viewing your shot before you take the photo is definitely in the viewfinder If you're doing that versus just seeing it on the because I have a screen on the back Of the Fuji so I could see it without looking the viewfinder, but it also gives you the option of only looking through the viewfinder Ah, yeah, mm-hmm. You want that? Oh, I did not mean to do the heart there. Um and uh So so so yeah, or maybe you just want to relive the old days Relive those old days. Yeah. I mean, I think it's It's sort of when someone's like, well, you know, if you're like really serious, then you want a real camera It's like the iphone, you know, and to some extent, you know the ipad and Whatever, it's like the best camera you have is the one that's on you or you know, whatever that's saying is it's like it's all Pretty good at this point, you know, if you're if you're taking some like rando photo, you know out of nowhere and you know, you got Your phone on you and you snap it and kind of going I'll just you know, look at it later That that's often what I do It's sort of like I'm just going to take a snap and I'll think about it later Maybe it doesn't go anywhere. Maybe it never is shared with anybody. It's you know I'm not always trying to be like world's best photographer But there is something to be said about being like, well, but I've got this other camera Because I want to take it a little bit more seriously So yeah, you know, I mean apps help you with that as well Okay, so we're going back. Mr. Portney said I asked because this is going back to the lossless conversation I asked because I was curious about where you stood as far as audio quality goes I'm just curious if tech people are also audio files. I believe they are We just may not be the two strongest Examples, but I do believe that there are quite a few tech people that are also audio files Very much so I mean Eileen and I talking about spatial audio You know, we I think we're both sort of on the on the same page where it's like sometimes cool sometimes like And some people really care about it, you know the way that you care about, you know stereo sound and I don't know I've I think that uh as and this probably has a lot to do with Just being in various apartments where I had to some years ago just Downgrade, you know hardcore from a very cool like 5.1 surround sound thing that I had with these real nice speakers that you know I was very proud of and you know, I knew how everything worked But I simply didn't have room for them anymore. So I sold them And uh and now it's like I'm like soundbar. We're good or even like no soundbar Long as I can hear everything. We're good. Now. That's maybe my own laziness and also just not wanting to like spend a ton of money building that from scratch again Yeah, but uh, yeah, I think we we're all we have various levels of like Being an audio file. I think I am one But not like not I I'm not going to pretend like I'm a super hardcore audio file Yeah, you don't have to I mean There's plenty of people that we could lean on for that and you know I want to know why I should be more of a hardcore audio file. Maybe I'll never be but I remember when mp3s were All the ridge and you you would have like the you know a certain Subset of people being like but it's such crappy quality, right, right. Yeah, but it's free It's fine. It's free. It sounds like the song Oh, have you listened to cd quality prior to that? Have you listened? I don't I don't know Anyone's wrong. No one's wrong here. But yes, we all we all have uh, our ears are of uh, various uh, I don't know delicate qualities, I guess Yeah, I mean that's why I wanted to try the uh, the max the uh air max at the apple star if we're bringing it all the way back So I'm like it was kind of important to try and find something that you know or why I also wanted to know why Lots of people were wearing these and um, you know, love the sound and that was you know, it's a bit pricey But from what I understand the sound is amazing and it was when I was listening. I was like, oh, this is pretty good. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I mean over the ear headphones are I mean Some some people have no problem wearing them just all day every day It's a look for sure um, I feel like it's it's too much for me on any given day, but um Uh, but yeah, I mean a nice set of um Earbuds Earphones headphones, whatever it is It does, you know, it's also comfort, you know, it's sound quality But also just does this feel good does this feel like something I want to be wearing all the time Speaking of uh earbuds my mom. I was talking to her over the weekend and she uh, just recently got the airpod pros airpods pro And she had a set of job bras, which she got because I used to use job bras and I was like, these are great Yeah, you don't buy anything from apple like it's they're wonderful and hers. Um Uh, I don't know they they went the way of the dodo for whatever reason as she was like, all right I need new ones. I'm gonna go go ahead and get the airpods and she was like, they're so great and I'm like, why Why are they so great because I agree with you, but I don't totally understand why I like them I think That it's it has less to do with audio quality even though the audio quality is is good And they don't fall out of my ears, which is a plus but it's just it just hooks into You know everything ios and watchos and the things that i'm doing It feels more seamless than something that's a third party thing, which I think apple is hoping that uh, we all think Well, these are job bras that i'm wearing right now and they're They're pretty good. They actually you know once I connected it always connects now So i'm not i'm not you know Yeah Missing my my pros died recently and I haven't replaced them. Uh, I actually have some beats Uh courtesy of my husband But for this, I just I still have these they're they're not that expensive But you know they work and I can hear you just fine And the music sounds good too when i'm playing it, but there you go. There you go. Yeah, I used to um my To go back to my job bras that I haven't used in some time because I lost them in my most recent move But um, I used to love the job bra companion app You know, you could you could do all sorts of you know Kind of fancy footwork with exactly how you wanted your audio to be like Do you want things to be like super bass heavy or like fool around with the trouble or you know that kind of stuff? I um, yeah, I I I will definitely not push uh air pods on anybody unless They're just sort of like, I don't know what I've never had bluetooth earbuds before. What should I get? I'd be like, well That might work out nicely for you, but you have options You do you do have options different price points different options and there you go. You know as long as they work Um, should we get to mail? Let's do it. Yeah We we got I mean we we've gotten quite a few emails and we will uh, Definitely try to highlight as many of them as possible on future shows, but today Eileen, uh, what came in from tim? Tim says first well, should we just give ourselves a pat on the back? Thank you Tim for saying first you two are the perfect duo for the new show. Thank you so much He's very excited His suggestion is maybe have shows that focus on a particular feature or reason Uh for an apple device such as the new anti-theft feature, which i'm like, oh, yeah, I love that idea What is it? Why is it important? How do you enable it? I mean we could talk a whole show about that and security We're gonna have a security guest and you know kind of go through the whole motion And even just activated it on our own phones and what works and story I mean, I've lost my phone in the past, but we should probably save that, you know For a show. I love that idea. He also says also shows that talk Why you should we talked about this why you should upgrade to a new device and programs and access that make your life easier That's the point of the show You get us You get us you totally get us. Thank you. Thank you Um, but yeah, I I did mark that uh as like, oh, yeah, we should go through like a security show. I was thinking, you know I was out the other day. I was like, you know, I have been using apple maps more than I ever have before and it's because I get the notification That tells me you're you know, oh, you're gonna go home You're not that far and I just click the notification. I'm in apple maps instead of google maps or ways Um, yeah, so I think there are just like there's a ton of different things that we can talk about Uh on a on on our show that is hopefully helpful to you guys out there And if there's other things that you want us to talk about we will definitely talk about audio We'll definitely talk about photography Uh in in upcoming episodes Even to like how how apple podcasts have changed, you know Over the years and just like the how it's offered to the consumer What works and what doesn't work and how's it compared to like, you know Other places that you would get uh your favorite podcasts So, I don't know there's just a multitude of ways and I think that It's super important that everybody knows this isn't just about the apple vision pro No, it's it's it's all things apple. I mean we're talking about I was about to say 40 year old max neither of us had max 40 years ago, but But yeah, it is a cornucopia of all things apple And as we go into what is going to be a very interesting year for the company, you know for for, you know better or worse We we have so much to talk about yeah, whether it is like you said tim, you know certain, uh, you know lifestyle Choices where uh, we can make the most of the gadgets that we have the software that we have Um, you know how we can upgrade those things you mentioned maps. Eileen. I'm with you. I mean apple maps works great You didn't used to I mean it used to be it wasn't that long ago. We're like, I'd be like, I'm so sorry I'm late you guys. I used apple maps And everyone would go Sarah come on, you know Why are you doing that? Yeah, like it took me like a really weird way like down a dusty road I mean, it wasn't that long ago that it was like, yeah, it's like apples like joke map app Nobody uses that and now it's great It yeah, I mean nothing's nothing's totally perfect, but um But it's it's certainly something that I I use now without even thinking twice Muted you but I heard you I heard you Don't call me. I need to disturb on on my phone Let's learn in the show put you that I actually thought about that and I was like, oh, nobody's gonna call me Um, I actually didn't do it either. Um, so I guess you're more popular than I am at least today Uh, because nobody has called me. Um, or even texted. Thanks a lot friends But um Yeah, you didn't want that spam call that I just got I'm pretty sure it was now probably not um and for anybody who's uh Watching the video version of the show and I know many of you just prefer audio and that's great We we uh, we we want to give you whatever whatever works for you But um, I'm gonna have to figure out um how uh because the sun is now coming in To my my room when we started it looked very different than how it looks now I sort of look like I'm about to like ascend into heaven And uh, I don't know well, uh, I'll have to put up a tarp or something Just because of the time of day that we're recording this But I don't know if you're if you're watching the video version Then it's just a fun little thing that you know about my western facing office There you go. I was gonna say something and then I'm like no most people are listening, right? Maybe not I mean you can see me. It's not like I've disappeared. I just look sort of you know, yeah like over Oversunged I've been over heavens the heavens are summoning. That's right. Oh, we need we need some help You know, uh, or they're or they're blessing you I'm like, I'm not ready I have so much more work to do on earth. Come on Give me a minute Oh goodness. Well, listen with with all of that Hopefully uh, all of y'all um, and thank you To everybody who is listening who is watching who is doing either of those things After the fact on demand who has given us really good feedback for the show Giving us words of encouragement To hold a friend. Um, that counts for so so much We're we're you know, we're getting the show off the ground. So This is this is what we would consider our official beta show We get uh, the vision pro had said uh in four days from now And then our official official What we would call episode one, uh, will be a week from now And we're we're gonna make the show that you want. Um, so you let us know what you want and we'll keep doing it Please please please and you know last week. I said I hadn't set up that email Email set up sarah It's at the work Feedback at applevisionshow.com. There you go. All right. Email us Do it do it. Hey, we we love uh, we love accolades. We also will uh, we will take criticism You know, we'll take it all uh feedback at applevisionshow.com. Yes, write us early and often Appreciate that and thank you in advance Thanks guys. Thanks for listening. See you next week. See you next week I don't have the fireworks going here There. Nope. Nope. Not doing it. Just The hearts Maybe oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you just had all you need is love. You had to want it I didn't want the fireworks. I was like, no the heart The heart your iPhone's like No, it's not New Year's Eve Eileen. Come on Oh man, all right, that will be the end of the audio and there we have it. Yeah, I somebody asked about the rippling of what I'm like I didn't notice that until somebody mentioned that. Do you have a do you have a fan on your ceiling? No Because that's what it looks like to me. It just looks like like a little bit of like just I don't know Like there's air moving around in your room. It's not A big deal, but yeah, I don't know what that is How about yeah, it wasn't there last week. It stopped. No, I could I could still see it. It just oh, yeah Yeah, I don't know. I don't think it was there last week. Thank you for Pointing it out everybody, but we'll figure it out. Also. I got to figure out how to play audio It wasn't working earlier. Oh, I had this joke too. Oops. I forgot Well, this is for our people who have have stuck around but like look at this You can you guys read this this person on The person on twitter I wonder if the vision pros eyesight feature will work at night If so, my favorite new activity will be walking into the pitch black bedroom with only my glowing eyes to terrify your partner Oh, yeah, yeah, I should do that Um, yeah, yeah good stuff I um Yeah that yeah That whole the whole pass-through thing will be really interesting to to play around with because um You know, I mentioned that I really like my quest and I do um, but the pass-through feature is like it's Use well, it's not useless. I shouldn't say that because someone's gonna be like now it isn't here's why it isn't But it's mostly just so like right before I start doing a thing You know like yeah doing a workout video or you know Whatever I make sure that I have my boundary set up Yeah, just so I don't like run into the wall or hit my dog. Yeah, you know Yeah, but again, that's vr, uh the the the the pass-through capability of being able to see Real life and for you know people to be able to see your eyes, you know Going both ways That does change things somewhat. I mean I I remember what This was like a couple years ago. It was like the height of the pandemic where I was just like running out of options to Yeah, uh keep myself occupied. So I was like, okay, so I'm gonna like exercise like in the driveway and uh, you know like vr exercise where it's like, yeah, I can't see the world and like it's it's Discouraged from doing anything like that outside because it's just like too many elements like yeah What if a bird flies into your face or I don't know whatever it is, you know, it's dangerous, but I was like why I'm standing here on a yoga mat. No one's around The whole world is shut down. I'm gonna do this outside It was fine Nobody nobody said anything right or nobody did anybody saw me I mean maybe somebody saw me and they were like, oh poor sara. She's really bored, but I thought it was fun I'm like, yeah fresh air. Come on. What's not to love? Oh my god, all right guys, I'm gonna I think I'll end the stream unless you had other words Nope. Nope. Nope. Uh, I think this was real fun And thanks to everybody for being part of it and remember you remember to email speed back at I was about to say daily technician feedback at apple vision at show dot com We'll be looking for those emails. I tried to address as many comments as I could While we were talking when they made sense. So, you know, there were so many good comments and and whatnot. So Anyway, all right guys All right, we see you later