 If we are more on board I think we can discuss and share more and see how we can improve the welfare of the players because the more numbers we have the better for the organization. We have a couple of challenges that I think the player goes through and I can say the main one is the clubs not honoring the contras for the players because a player signs for the club and at the end of the day or at the end of the month he doesn't receive anything from the club whereby the clubs goes against the contras of the player. That is the main challenge because remember this is the profession of this player. He pays bills through earning through football. He looks after the family through football. He looks after his maybe extended family through football friends you see and also kids going to school through football. If you end up not paying the player you are doing more harm to the player and it doesn't look so well for Kenyan football because it derave the development of the player because we have so many up coming players and they can see that those players that are ahead of them whom they always see like role models that are going through hell in life then it doesn't motivate them anymore to play football because most of the club doesn't have even medical cover for the players because football is a risky game. Anytime you get a knock at times it's a slight knock at times you get that maybe a knock that can keep you out of the game maybe for a couple of months and if you are in a club that doesn't have a medical cover then it's a challenge for you because on top of that the club is not paying you man so where can you go and maybe get the treatment. So we have so many challenges and it affects the performance of the player because once you are not settled you can give your best to the game and in general it derails or dilutes the competitiveness of the game and it lowers the football standards in this country. The challenges we always go through is that most of the time these players have signed the contracts with the club whereby at all means you have to honour the contract but when the club goes on not maybe paying the player role is coming to see that if you can help to make sure that the welfare of the player is looked into but most of the challenges we always get is that football in this country is run I can say by cartels because even the players themselves at times they are not sincere or they honest about themselves because I believe in a certain team you always work as a group. If you speak one language it's much easier for us to help you and maybe having two or three guys because what always happens with these big clubs or most of the clubs if we have an issue about the players maybe they haven't been paying for a couple of months and when we come in what the clubs always do they single out maybe those senior players or keep players. I can say keep players and maybe they give them something small you see so the players end up not talking one language. If you wanted to help as a group it becomes to an individual now and the challenge is that you know this legal cases when it comes to us or we represent them to the various bodies that deal to the cases it doesn't go that fast and remember this player has to be playing football because he is running two footballs so it can take long so what we always do is most of the times when the case comes up we always talk to the club so that we see how the player and the club can solve the issues without maybe going more so in the legal way because even like here in Kenya maybe the body that sits listens to the cases at times you represent the case and you are told that maybe the next sitting is after three months then what happens and at times they end up not sitting so it's a big challenge for us but my suggestion was that maybe I can say the body that can solve this issue or can minimize this challenge is the federation because we have these issues of club licensing. Ya it's a challenge worldwide but I can say more so in Africa more so in Africa because we like doing things in African way you see sometimes we want to do something and we'll get a message that this is African so we have that tag of this is Africa but I always say it's about the passion and the intention if you want to change something if you want to bring change in football you see and these are body that I can say they have structures in place they have mechanism in place to make sure that they fight for the rights of the players they have really tried and at the moment I can say we are bit relieved like they signed fifth pro division after they signed an agreement MOU with calf whereby if something happens to the players maybe they say you have an issue with mother united players and they come to us we try to intervene and if the various post that this is the case doesn't cooperate with us then we can go straight to FIFA through fifth pro and through calf and then put in our case to FIFA and then maybe FIFA can respond to the issue that has been brought into the picture so I can say we have made a little bit milestone but rum was never built on a single day so slowly by slowly I think we just get things right I think they have helped us in facilitating the activities we have been doing to make sure that we do the activities to the players you see like the Google training we have done because all in all it needs some finance moving around in something so they always give us a small grant to make sure that these activities happen and make sure that we can get to the players and represent them in various capacities so they come in handy and also they share with us a lot of information whereby we can well the things we can do to improve the welfare of the players the challenges we face so I can say for them they have a big help to us I think it will be a game changer because it has all the requirements it has all the issues that affect the players and I think if the Federation can make sure that the clubs play by the rules of the club licensing I think we can solve almost 90% of the challenges we have because they document itself it has everything to be in place for the club because I can't see you here by a club grant without a physical address a player looking for the maybe secretary or for the chairman for the president and we don't have any office his office may be in the car so it's a big challenge but for us we always pray that it is something that is going to happen again and the Federation can make it more seriously for the clubs to make sure that it is implemented it will be a replay for the players because I believe if we can even have like two teams playing in the Kenyan Premiering let it be two teams because they are the ones who have the requirements for the club licensing it requires for the teams to have playing fields how many teams in Kenya they don't have the playing fields exactly we have like only 5 teams out of 20 top teams they don't have home grounds so if we can practice implementing the rules and regulations I believe it works towards the wealth of the players and believe me if that's in place we'll just see the improvement of football in this country but before it's done out of 10 I'll give it 5 out of 10 you know at times you have to give credit to a view since the coming in of nikuwenda is a generation I think we have seen a couple of improvements and like before because it's just that at toward the end we had challenges whereby the Mount Kenya gave almost two workovers but previously we saw many workovers in the top level team not traveling and that made the AKPL to come maybe to form a body to come and run the league which was something good and it gave us an edge over other leagues around the continent and also we had our women national team they have played the african cup of nations and we have also our senior team at the moment they are going to YouTube to play after the cup of nations so we have seen some improvement a lot of development and that's just a start we need more and if we need we need to see our national team performing well it starts from the clubs you see so to the clubs we have seen little things to be desired so we need a lot of things to be done and I just think that we need so those guys who have passion for football to run these clubs because most of the club managers they are not into football they are after maybe some agendas behind football because as a president of the club you can't see your players going for almost 4-5 months without salary and they say I'm the president of the club you want your club to perform it can't happen and at the moment most of the teams doesn't have sponsorship how can we have the corporates on board do we have the numbers in the stadiums do we have those mechanisms in place to make sure that we are marketing well this sport we are marketing I will give an example to my team madari I will use it as madari we give madari most of the air time so that most of the fans know that madari is playing no we are not doing that and I will say that we need to give the sports back to the community like madari United let's find somewhere to play madari so that madari if madari is playing a home game everything no business madari when madari is playing we have funds in the stadium we have money we have finance but we are doing nothing if I want to sell my shoes I have to advertise I have to market my shoes so that I get the willing buy who can give me good money so at the moment we are doing so little and if you want to improve you have to do so I always have hopes and I always pray to God that he gives me longer life because I believe one day I will be the change our football just needs someone who has passion who has good intention with the upcoming players because as a person as a player I don't want the coming generation to go through what I went through because I have gone through a lot ok we always have challenges but we have gone through a lot that I want I wouldn't want any upcoming player to go through we have so many soba guys around you can come sit down share ideas and come up with a way you can run football in this country as an organization we have our long term plans we have our short term plans we have our long term plans at the moment we are just focusing on a player to make sure that a player is well looked into his welfare and he gets what he is playing for in the field so at the moment we are just focusing on a player but we also have long term plans we are growing every single day every single year so we believe in this project for the players the door is always open for anyone to come in coming former players current players they come in share ideas and I believe if football if a young football is in good hands we can go places because we have talent we have future players at the moment I will tell you two things if you have talent in sports let's say ok young situma let's assume he is talented in football take football seriously and also take academy seriously they in our country they all go along so if you are in school give your best in sports give your best because at the moment I believe things will be better and as sports we have it's a business it's giving out big money I'm living through sports has made me the way I am it's feeding my family my extended family and the way I am I think it's through sports so for him it's just this clean hard work and pray to God all will be well