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Oh by the way guys We have a rocket Origin did hey, I mean let's tell you the story of blue origin a little bit Jeff Bezos the CEO and founder of Amazon comm Huge space nut, right? Yeah, I mean he owns blue origin as well He also went to the bottom of the sea and pulled up some of the old f1 engines from Saturn 5 Yeah, right. So I mean on his own dime. He's just doing this cuz space nerd hardcore space nerd Yeah, and he's had origin for didn't they start before ever? Yeah So I believe space blue origin is older than SpaceX and here you've got SpaceX going up They've got you know, they're under whatever generation of rocket. They've got you know plan Mars plans being announced later this this month I mean a whole bunch of really cool things, but you never heard anything anything out of blue origin Maybe you'd hear. Oh, we think they did a test firing of something and then two thousand Yeah, and then there you go. Yeah, so and then fairly recently We started hearing more about them with United launch Alliance They announced that their BE4 engine was gonna be the main power plant for Vulcan to the dismay of aero jet rocket died and You're like, okay. I guess they're working on engines I guess yeah, and then they're like, oh by the way, we've got this vehicle we're gonna fly it and it's gonna be reusable and we're gonna land it and We're like, all right Well, maybe that'll happen someday in the future and then like two weeks later like and here's footage of that Like oh by the way That came out of nowhere. All right, cool. And then they did it a couple more times and we're like, all right that that's really awesome and then Then they started live webcasting it and it just kids been kind of growing and then Recently we got an email anyone who you can sign up to blue origin updates and everyone It was like what Thursday morning Wednesday morning something like that got this email from Jeff Bezos. Yeah, basically saying hey Here's what we're gonna do And space Mike you did a space pod on this. You want to describe what they're gonna do with their next? new shepherd vehicle Well with my space pod that I did For this week, which I put out on Wednesday, which you guys should walk I actually was focusing more on their next and the final flight of their current new Shepherd rocket And I wanted to kind of hold off on the whole new Glenn announcement for the show today But with this there was actually an email update last week where Jeff Bezos was describing what they're going to be doing with the fifth Flight of new Shepherd with that they might destroy the rocket when they try to do an in-flight escape test is what they're calling it Where they're going to be launching or rather firing a solid rocket motor that is built into the capsule of the new Shepherd System the new Shepherd capsule. I suppose and they're going to be firing that during maximum dynamic pressure and they Suspect that the the rocket the new Shepherd rocket will be destroyed when they do that But if it survives great But in any case they are planning on flying that rocket for the last time until they roll out another new Shepherd rocket to continue with Their tests were at and eventually to continue with or rather to begin their Suborbital tourist market But with this whole new Glenn announcement the announcement that came this week They announced what their next big plan is going to be and Jeff Bezos has alluded to in the past that they are going to have a Orbital rocket and it wasn't until I believe like a month or two ago that we even Started hearing what they internally were calling it or at least their nickname for it which they were calling very big brother and From the pictures that we saw that Jeff Bezos put out earlier, which you know We're kind of low-deaf quality pictures, you know quick animation there But it would he described it as being a much larger rocket with a new Shepherd rocket as the upper stage And just from the size of what those old pictures looked like it looked like it would be You know something that would be on the size of like a Delta 2 rocket or maybe even around the same Size in diameters as a Falcon 9 rocket although not as tall and then he puts out this update this week But that actually shows what they're planning on doing with their new Glenn rocket that they previously were calling very big brother And this is pretty insane. It's 23 feet in diameter, which is about seven little over seven meters in diameter That is a really fat rocket and it's going to be one of the widest ones It's going to be wider than the Falcon 9 It's going to be wider than the Delta 4 just the main core stage And it's almost as big as a Saturn 5 rocket and this thing was let me see again. It was 313 feet tall which I can't remember what the conversion for that is off the top of my head Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah a little a little over 95 meters but in any case that's a pretty tall rocket and pretty wide and to and they're going to be using this thing There we go for those of you who couldn't hear Dada just informed me that the Saturn 5 was 333 Feet tall, so just about 20 feet short of what the Saturn 5 was and with this they're going to be doing the whole reusable Landing that they have been previously been doing with the new Shepard rocket and that SpaceX has been doing with their Falcon 9 And it's really exciting. We have animations here that show how they're going to be doing this And I really like the way that the landing legs are built into the kind of engine skirt if you will for this and Really excited about it because it's going to have it could potentially have three stages to it The first stage would be powered by their BE4 engines and the second stage would be powered by a vacuum Optimized BE4 engine, which just means that the way that the engine bell is shaped in the way that they Combust their their fuels together is optimized for Without being inside of the atmosphere But again, I just really I'm really excited about this announcement and really excited to see You know what other sort of information they're going to reveal to us I would not be surprised based on you know how the information came out with their new Shepard rocket that they've already been Doing quite a bit of testing and we might see some you know physical hardware very soon, so It's really exciting. It is exciting stuff Animations you saw we're not official blue origin animations. There's actually a citizen and tomorrow It's at Lee Tobias and who may I forgot to put the banner at the bottom of them So I'm a terrible human being but created those and said hey if you want to use them the show you totally can That's based on the imagery that so purely based on the One or two pictures that blue origin has given up so they could be wrong But it kind of gives you an idea as to what the rocket may look like. I thought that was really really awesome So thank you for making those It's going to be exciting and huge I didn't think to grab the the graphic that had I should have the graphic that has all the rocket side-by-side showing how Absolutely enormous this thing is it's going to be huge, but going backwards a step back to New Shepard New Shepard is going to be awesome because that webcast Jeff Bezos said they're going to webcast that and they are expecting a Rapid unscheduled disassembly actually I guess that would be a rapid scheduled disassembly Right yeah, yeah of their first stage During the abort so they're going to do that one of the things one of the reasons capsules are awesome when they sit on top Of a rocket is if something happens to the rocket you can safely jettison now I say safely it is not going to be a fun ride No, but you can you can jettison that rocket. I'm sorry you can jettison the capsule off of the rocket And and move to safety Yes, the hardest part of that is going to be during max Q the area of maximum maximum dynamic pressure That's where you're moving just fast enough through just thick enough air where it's putting the most amount of strain on The vehicle itself and so you don't want to have any weird Variations in the aerodynamic structure of the rocket because you're putting all of this force on the rocket So what they're going to do is they're going to put a huge amount of additional aerodynamic strain on it by then In issue issuing the abort command So they're going to be in max Q in that maximum aerodynamic Envelope and they're going to say abort and they're going to take the top of the rocket and jettison it off and that Aerodynamic uncertainty underneath it is likely going to rip apart the first stage. Yes, so now that that's what's expected in the email Jeff Bezos said however a Few of the Monte Carlo runs where they run the data over and over and over again in different scenarios a few of these runs show It's technically possible That we could recover the first stage It's a low probability, but it's technically it could happen So one of two amazing epic awesome things is going to happen first You're gonna he see this giant explosion in the air at like like like Mach 1 With his vehicle just ripping itself to shreds as the capsule moves to safety that is going to be awesome Or to the vehicle is going to be able to survive that and safely land back on their Landing pad while the capsule goes to safety Which is also going to be absolutely awesome because then they can take it They could be like this is this is a masterpiece of awesomeness. We're gonna put it in a museum This is an engineering gone kind of right. Yeah, so I actually I mean that we should take Like virtual bets. I'm in the it's gonna rip itself apart bet. Okay. Yeah, I think I'll join you in the rip itself Yeah, I don't think it's gonna survive because this is this isn't a board at the worst possible moment space Mike There is one one other option as to how it might play out He said that if somehow it did survive the the abort itself and they weren't able to restart the engine to safely land and put it on Display, but there'll be enough fuel left over inside of the tanks that when it does come crashing down Then it'll have it's a rapid scheduled disassembly. That one would be unscheduled. I think that would be a scheduled disassembly is during the Max-Q Automatically, I think an unscheduled disassembly would be it's smashing into the ground it you know More an unscheduled Conflagration When do I get to see the scheduled reassembly? Okay, so that's the origin we don't like they could for all we know They have another vehicle in their hangar ready to go and they'll just they'll blow up the landing pad and be like that Was cool. Hey, we're gonna launch tomorrow again on an upgraded vehicle that you know takes all the lessons learned from the first one and Makes it even more awesome. I have no idea. Maybe they do maybe they don't I have no I have no clue what they've got. Yeah, so it's going to be an exciting webcast They're going to webcast it live and I think we said this on a previous show, but again I I guarantee there was a team inside of Blue Origin that fought to allow them to webcast these and so whoever Champion that inside of Blue Origin because there was a you know a small I'm sure there was a small group of people. There was someone who champ whoever championed that. Thank you Thank you from not just the citizens of tomorrow, but all the space nerds around the world Thank you for doing that because this is going to be awesome and we are super super excited for this particular Launch and launch and landing possible landing or disassembly whatever that is Then they come out with as Space Launch Mike mentioned the new Glenn announcement now I felt like a stupid stupid space nerd when he announced new Glenn and here's why I Never realized until he announced new Glenn That new Shepard was named after Alan Shepard He said that he and then I saw new Glenn. I'm like, why would they call it? Oh my god. I'm an idiot I Legitimately I should have known better as a space nerd and I felt so stupid Apparently Dada saying I'm not alone. You aren't alone. I didn't think about that either. I I so I figured it out I feel less dumb now But yeah Yeah, some of some people are like really in the chat room. Yeah, I mean the naming convention wasn't readily apparent Shepard has a tendency to Shepard new things and yeah, you know, you could have got the very next one could have been new pioneer It very you know just new colonists space Kyle says I had the exact same reaction I know easily could have gone Shepard was not inherently Yeah, so as space Mike said new Shepard is one Gynormous rocket it is nearly Saturn 5 size this thing the new Glenn. I'm sorry new Glenn You should I'm sorry. I'm sorry new Glenn new Glenn New New Shepard. Yeah, no new Glenn is a ginormous rocket. It's going to be awesome And it's gonna fly according to blue origin by the end of the decade. So they've got what four years left That's not a lot of time. I Just want to throw this out in four years I just want to throw this out there because they also revealed the name of their upcoming rocket Yes, new Glenn as well. Wait, hang on before we do that. I want to draw a parallel here Okay, so sure new Shepard is their suborbital vehicle. Yep Alan Shepard suborbital flights. Yeah new Glenn. Oh Thank you data. So here we go actually here. Here's here's a graphic, right? So they can kind of see I Believe I can't really read it from here, but I think is new Shepard on there The new Shepard is not on there anywhere Left is Antares. Yeah, I'd be it'd be like way to the left to give you an idea the size of what they're flying right now Yeah, they kind of kept way way way way to the left like all the way to the left So if I'm looking at this correctly from left to right, you've got Antares So use arian 5 atlas 5 delta 4 falcon 9 falcon heavy delta 4 heavy Vulcan, okay? Sorry, I can't really see Screens are this one so Vulcan falcon 9 falcon heavy delta 4 heavy and now we start getting into new Glenn sizes Right and then and you look to the far right the the rocket that took humans to the moon the Saturn 5 That's all the way right. So you look at the three-stage new Glenn. It's nearly as tall as a Saturn 5 Yeah, it's it's Enormous that is going to be an epic rocket of epic epicness. The first stage is taller than there. It's longer Here's the thing with that new Glenn new Shepard suborbital vehicle Alan Shepard suborbital flight new Glenn is Not a suborbital vehicle. It is an orbital vehicle. Yes John Glenn First or first American to orbit. They did announce they teased a third vehicle a new Armstrong We were to follow that same convention we can deduce and this is just us Speculating they've never they've not said anything we can deduce that Jeff Bezos agrees with tomorrow and Dave Mastin To go to the moon first. He's part. He should be wearing a moon first shirt probably Jeff Bezos I would like to see you wear a moon first shirt that would confirm my theory But Louis confirmed. Hey, right It sounds like if I were to extrapolate their naming conventions with rockets New Armstrong may be a lunar type of architecture It might be it may not be however It's the other way to look at that. Yeah, is that Neil Armstrong was not only the first American but the first human on another celestial body That's true. You don't have to look at it specifically as the moon Her say you don't you don't New Glenn rocket could send stuff to the moon It could send a lot of the the teams competing in the Google Lunar X Prize. It could send a lot of their hardware I mean, it's capable enough or at least according to the specifications that they've put out citizen 383 or 38916 says so if Elon becomes the first man on Mars will Bezos name a new rocket new Musk Maybe that would be kind of hilarious It doesn't seem like Jeff Bezos views there was an interview and I don't want to put words in his mouth But you were reading about a recent interview. Yeah, it seems like Jeff Bezos is not actually wasn't an interview It was when he he won the Highland Prize sure and he was gonna he's gonna give that money back into the program So Basically, he seems to think that his big competition isn't SpaceX. It's not United Launch Alliance It's not Ariane. No, which a lot of people were I'm sure confused by until he put out his next sentence What did anyone know who's big competition is? Gravity with gravity every day. That's his competition is gravity and and I thought that was a great quote And you know, he's just he's just working to do these really cool amazing space thing So I am super duper excited for new Glenn and the timeline given right three to four years or so seems Potentially viable. I mean, we don't have really insight into that reasonable. It's really it's a reasonable time frame New Armstrong he didn't get a timeline. He didn't give any data on it outside of that's a future story, but that's exciting stuff Yeah, so we've gone from over the course of this year 2016 just this year not caring at all about Blue Origin and thinking yeah, they're just dorking around with engines to oh My god, they're doing awesome things And I'm super excited. I just I cannot wait to see what the future brings We have got so many awesome announcements coming from Blue Origin from SpaceX Sierra Nevada continues to try and do great things with Dream chaser. I've got massive space systems coming back on the show Hopefully he'll be able to talk about some cool stuff and Virgin Galactic is flying again Virgin Galactic is flying again. By the way, we've got the CEO Virgin Galactic coming on the show later this year as well Our president of Virgin Galactic President of Virgin Galactic coming on the show later this year. So Awesome things. I know this is such a really exciting time