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None, none, you know what they'll want, man Man, I gotta get out And y'all don't forget to like and subscribe Follow us on all social media platforms Thank you very much Aw, hell You know we doin' our thing Aw Man That new introduction Thank you very much But make sure you subscribe to Patreon And all that good stuff And y'all, y'all, all that good stuff Shout out to Mr. Jamaica For changing up the strategy When we comin' to dope We gon' do a midstream, too Yes, sir Man, we got a guy here today, y'all He don't need no introduction, man This guy right here Don't work with so many different people, man Well, you know the man Don't work with Pimp C, you know He here And I don't play by Pimp He here Y'all don't understand, man Lil' Wheel Rap a lot All them boys, man This man that did a lot of different things, man This is a hell of a producer, man Biggie Beast is in the building Hey, hey Man, what's goin' on? Aw, man, it's goin' Man, I know it is, man I love your demeanor, man It's just so nice, man To have you in the building, man You know, I don't know If you watch Boss Talk 101 But if you do You know already how we start, man I'm gonna hand the Paton over to Mr. Jamaica And she starts it off They done checked our little strategy Now niggas is biting our style Niggas, you know what I'm talkin' about here Go ahead Cause I like to know about you As a person before you became The producer Growing up, born and raised in Dallas? No, actually I was born in Pomona, California Pomona! Yeah I've seen Pomona When we driving through I've seen that name Yeah, yeah It's about 30 miles or so East of LA Right, I've seen that Yeah, it's the last city In LA County Before you get to the Inland Empire Okay, okay So how old were you when you left? I was young Six, seven Do you remember anything about it? Yeah, cause we always would go back Back and forth Yeah, cause my mother's My mother's from Pomona Okay She grew up in Pomona She moved to Pomona When she was a baby So grandma and grandpa Still was there So you had to go back and forth Yeah, her whole side of the family Was there Okay, so she moved you out here? Well, my mother and father My mother and father I decided to check Because you know how nowadays A lot of people sit in that seat Mom and dad broke up So they don't really travel together And all of that My parents were together 54 years Awesome My mother passed away Four years ago Oh, I'm sorry Rest in peace Thank you Yeah, so they were together 54 years That's awesome Yours was together For eight years Right But that's a How does that feel for you To see that Because growing up I'm sure you didn't see that Everywhere you were No, I mean it was a blessing But it was normal For me, you know, looking at But yeah, when you All the different brothers and sisters In the neighborhood They didn't necessarily have that Going on So, you know When you reflect back on it As an adult As you get older You know how valuable it was Right Because as a kid You don't really care You don't take notice Of certain things when you're a kid Everything is about you It is It's just the way it is, yeah So were you mad when you had to Move out here That uprooted you I know you're six years old You know You ain't trippin' in seats No, I didn't care Brothers and sisters Yeah, I have a younger brother And an older sister Okay, so you're a middle child I'm a middle child Okay So Mama and dad together Tell me something that your mom Instilled in you as a young child Growing up that's still stuck With you even up to today Stand on it Really? Regardless of whom or what You know, stand on it And the same The same, you know With my father That's what they were about And you know With their lives You know You know, the principle comes first I like that because Some people will say Mom gave me this But dad gave me this But I like the way how you said It was both of them Because it takes unity Because when you married You're not become one So you both have to be On the same accord Especially when you're raising Kids Because so many times In relationships Mom wanted to do it this way And dad wanted to do it this way But I love when I can see a family Who they can agree On how to raise kids the same Yeah, no I asked my dad It was It was sometime after my mom passed I asked my son You know What was it about mama That made her You know Who she was Right And he said Her Unextinguishable Desired to be free And what he was saying Was free from Free from oppression You get what I'm saying Free from all the madness That's been imputed in us Man ever since Ever since Ever since You know what I'm saying We've been over here On these shores Right And so it was Unapologetically black Right You know what I'm saying That was it You know what I'm saying They were aligned in that regard No matter what You know what I'm saying We have to be free And we have And our children have to be free Wow And they have never You know Put the shackles on the minds Of their children You know what I'm saying And they were aligned in that regard Just to put it simple No, I like that And I like the fact That you ask those questions Because I always Speak to a lot of people older Than I am And a lot of people always say That they don't Ask their parents Certain questions Like it's not my place Even though they're older now They feel like You know that's my mom That's my dad It's not my place To ask certain questions But in order for you to grow As an adult Or be able to pass Certain knowledge On to your kids Or not fall in the same traps Of I'm going to be this way Because this is what I saw But not realizing that The reason why Your parents were a certain way Is because They're following their parents And but if you ask Mom What did you like in mom? And I love what he said But then some people would say Well, circumstances is why I ended up with her And I stayed with her But growing up You're not realizing these things You don't know these things Because you're seeing A certain relationship I'm wondering Why is it like that But not asking those questions And I always encourage people If you still have your parent here Ask certain questions Find out why Because you don't want To grow up and be a certain way Especially if it's causing You to not grow As you should Ask these questions Because it can help you Thank God for the time You had to spend with your mother Man, you know I lost my mom When I was 24 Yeah So that was a lot of time That I didn't get to spend With my mom Because I lost her so early Yeah So I tell anybody Just cherish those times That you had Because it could have been You know, it could have been One a lot different So, you know Because you never get your mother's love back Nobody never loved you like mama No, man And that's the whole game for me Like I didn't know it When I didn't I took it for granted When I was really, you know, young But now that I see everybody Is I can't stand to see Somebody misused their mother Or even remotely look As if they're not going to do Right by them I don't even want to be around That type person No doubt about it Man, so I just You know, when I think about Just some of the things that You know, you said Thinking about When you kept talking You said something about Instilling something in a child Or the blackness I thought about that song That song Wake up, jump down my bed I'm in a two-man cell With my homie love half dead You know how they start You know, the sun start off When they If I had a doubt For this little kid I'm a dead You're right You know what I mean Don't start like that Yeah Yeah If I had a What'd he say If I had a doubt For this little African Give up my life For this little kid This is something like I'm a dead mother You're right It didn't come out Just like that I'll never forget that Because it made me know that We was in a different place Then with the music You know what I mean Like We stood for It was a different time Where a man stood For something in that music That was being created During that time Even though it was talking About the chronic Or whatever It might have been talking About There was something in there That made you feel good About being a brother Yeah It wasn't And it wasn't called Conscious rap back then Either It was just the way we felt Public enemy We come off something That was different And I think that's Something that I would love To see come back into A trendy way Into what we deal With today What about you Yeah Most definitely You know In that era You were talking about The early 90s You know The late 80s That's right That's exactly right It was a reflection Of what was going on In the community That's right As it always is I think art reflects life Yeah Right And so back then More so than now And it was a more It was more of a Of a consciousness Or an awareness man That, hey man You were black That's right And that we were In this community Man in there We were in this struggle Man with the Whether it was the police Brutality You know Whatever it was It was a constant You were constantly reminded Of course You know Every day In various ways That man Hey man That we are In a struggle Yeah You know what I mean And I don't think You know That wasn't a bad thing I think I think people Sometimes want to You know Be comfortable But don't really Want to be free There are deals Yeah King spoke on that About the churches When he was in the Birmingham jail He talked about the fact Of how You know How the clergy Was accepting things You know just as they were Just to get You know get along Get along Wasn't trying to change Anything Wasn't helping our Communities And I think that's Still something that Blurs out today In society I don't feel like It's changed I feel like we still Our leadership You look at black leadership It's a joke a lot of times Where is it at They're like mannequins When you look at That you know You go in the store The mannequin has on what you Would like to buy But the mannequin can't walk The mannequin can't talk They look like they're in power Yeah But there is no power When it comes down to The way they are Versus the white constituencies Let's be real Yeah You see what I'm saying So you don't really You don't see that That come together Like that You see George Floyd That happened They went down Everybody in the world Say we're going to change But when you go back Into a lot of these Different places We still have precipitated Racism Sometimes blatant racism Yeah It's still something That I still feel like We have a long way to go When it comes down To standing together For anything I'm just being real That's me You know 100% You know Anybody whose Eyes are halfway open Yeah Is aware of that And I think Like I said Many times We just want to be We turn a blind eye We live in a la la land You know Just to be Comfortable You know what I'm saying I want to deal with that Man That ain't how it is Man I'm over here Doing my thing You know A lot of people say that And just not understand Man Whenever Man It doesn't matter If any Brothers and sisters Are saying Anywhere In the community Just because I may not Be going through That particular struggle At that particular time Man That doesn't extricate me Man from the experiences Of black people You get what I'm saying That's real You know We all in the same Both together Man People would laugh at me And I didn't mean to cut you No People would laugh at me When I You know People would start Dying on drugs Fitting all And all that Whatever the case may be Rise from our people Our young people That says We're on drugs And people look at Like Oh, he's just on drugs You know what I mean Or she's just on drugs But you have Million and billionaires That came up Off of our race That's in position That won't even come together And speak on the subject Yeah I'm being real Yeah And I'm sitting up here Looking at it And I did a whole I did a whole interview I mean a whole Remember that little Thing I did Where I went viral Because I was talking about it Before boss talk I was just standing up Talking saying That What he had, bro? You see these people You see them taking pictures Together Where Rolex is together Hanging out together But when people start To dial around them They can't even come together And speak on it Yeah They should have A podcast Or something Where they come together Strong black men And say something But it seems as if It's something that They're benefiting off Yeah I don't want to hear that I ain't gonna go there But I was telling Telling us some folks The other day Right You know We look at things On an individual level Like I was saying Like you know This is not What's affecting me At the moment so Man See this is the thing About it You go from coast to coast New York To LA And all points in between Wherever you have A black community Right You have the same Problems Right Regardless where you are I'm talking about Young folks That don't live in close proximity To one another Folks that You know Haven't grown up together So these folks The only you know Connection The common strand Is that we're black folks You know what I mean And so that speaks That right there Says that Hey man This is not an individual thing Man this is an institutional Thing It's a systemic thing That's right And so once we You know That's not rocket science Right And so once we Realize that part Then we have to say Well why is it that way When we start to really unpack Those parts of it Right The why of it Right That's when we start to Really identify The root of the problem And the societal forces That constantly Act upon You know what I'm saying Black folks And the black family In order to perpetuate the Problem And so when we deal with That That's the part Black folks don't want To deal with Because at some point Man you don't have to Look around And you don't have to Point your finger at That's real Brothers and sisters Man they're scared to do that They don't want to Want to deal with it So we keep pointing The finger at each other That's right Man We leave y'all out there For a little bit baby You still with us You know we talking That we got the fish up Now Or we got the fish up Over here now You know I got this Brother here You talking that Black talk When he did It just It pulls it out of me You know what I'm saying Because I'm going to be Honest with you I really You know I speak a lot Got to keep the balance Right So let's talk about The music a little bit Man You come into this game How old was you When you first started To produce man Let me see And how did you Even get into it I was in my late 20s Man I was about 20 Right back Yeah that's the late I want to say I was about 27, 28 Really So who inspired you Why you just What happened It's a strange story I'll tell you the story So my brother My little brother Right He was rapping Right And we were looking for beats Right I didn't know anything About music Yeah I didn't know nothing about it You know what I'm saying This was in the late 90s Yeah Very like round In 98 Yeah For show Right And so I knew a brother Brother By the name of Q I don't know Q He had a Company called Mouthpiece Entertainment Okay Real good brother Man You know We were building I can't even remember How I ran into Q But anyway But anyway So I started The clip Okay From old clip You know what I'm saying I know a few Q's I don't know which one That might be I might even know it And so real good brother Solid brother Man We started I started managing Okay Right And him and a couple A couple of his artists Right You know Just he said Hey man Music business Other than things So I you know Got up to speed Started reading And this and that And so You know I was managing My brother He plugged me in I was managing Q them And I was You know In my brother At the same time So he plugged me in With his brother Name Spliff Okay No Spliff I know Spliff D Producer No And You know Spliff was making beats Well I wouldn't Bought some beats from Spliff For my brother first Okay And I ended up managing Spliff Cool And you know The business just didn't Work out You know Sometimes Yeah That's life Man So now I bought You know Some equipment I had all this equipment In the house Man I went back there Started fucking with it One day I said Had a knack for it So when you First started When did you know you had some Well I always was a love of music Okay Me too Me too Had an ear for music I didn't know As far as creating music Of course You know In elementary school In middle school I played instruments But you know Nothing of It wasn't never Yeah I actually played the saxophone In middle school Yeah I played the sax You were the latest man In the middle school I wasn't I wasn't dedicated to it Okay It was just something I had to do Right Yeah And so You know I went back there And I just Started messing with it Learned the equipment You know Learned You know Read all the manuals You know My thing was I've always been a reader Man Yeah Yeah You know So I You know I absorb information All of it So that was My Then Started messing with it Man Just kind of And then things started hitting Okay So Who was the first big person When you say big And they weren't big at the time Probably But who was the first one That you nailed it With a good beat That went somewhere This brother I was I produced for this brother Out of Compton Okay His name was Fudge Okay And he had Had a Let me see Let me make sure I'm nailing it on The right person As far as I remember Man, this was a long time Yeah, yeah, yeah It was Fudge, right? And so he had done a song With rapping forte Okay And I produced that song And that song He did a song rapping forte Rapping forte You know, this was in Early, early, early 2000s Man, it may have been Right around Man, I'm rapping forte It don't make me none Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun You remember rapping forte You see it there with Sheldon, man Yeah, yeah And so that was the first You know Named a known artist You know what I mean I had worked with what was rapping It was Fudge His brother named Fudge And rapping forte Man It was rapping forte The rapping forte That did that song I just was talking about Yeah, yeah, yeah So he was that rapping forte So you knew you had something, didn't you? Yeah Yeah So you felt good about it Yeah I got me with it Yeah, but you know I knew I had I knew I had something Producing for my brother Okay Because my brother had something Okay My brother, my brother Wrapped his ass off, right He just, you know He just kind of never just You know, he just You know, just eased out of it What was your brother's rap name? Uh, what was his rap name, man Man, don't give me the line Man, I can't remember You didn't know he was a rap To me, my brother I always used to talk to him Yeah, he stopped by his real name Yeah, yeah But you knew he was like Man, I was making so many Good beats for him It's all for your brother Yeah, man, matter of fact Uh, you know When he was still in high school Rapper, I tried to You know, wanted to try to sign him Yeah, this was back in the 90s, man Yeah, when he was in high school Really? Yeah, we was the same in high school That's hard, man That's the difference What year was that? Uh, see, my brother Graduated, I think in 97 So it had to be somewhere around 96 Ooh, that's a That day Boy, that boy was rapping back then His car faced him Yeah What? My brother was cold, man He had to be That roster, boy, that's that That's that real stunt now And rapper right there People don't realize that Yeah Just to leave deep in on that At that time Yeah Deep in it So when you think about like So when you look at the music Right now in Dallas How do you How do you And we don't jump in It doesn't even jump out of it How do you feel about it From producing the songs You did for Tom Tom Lil' Will, whatever Uh, uh, and just Dallas now How do you look at it? Uh, you know, it's always There's always been talent here Yeah You know, and I think, um You just talking about the music itself Yeah, the music itself And the music The music The business of it The music and the business of it We are in an independent Whatever stage And a lot of people sit right there Where you at And I'm afraid to some point A lot of them are still trying To make their way A lot of times A lot of them look the part And are dibbing and dabbing And other things to make the budget To even deal with the music That they're entertaining with You know, so it's just like How do you feel about where it deals Versus the 360 deals You've seen countless stuff happen You know, I think that, uh One of the things that is, uh Handicap Okay Um, you know, the rapper Scene or the rap, you know In Dallas Okay, okay As far as the business is, uh You know, it's the lack of unity In the conflict Okay In the hate, right Because, you know, I think Like I was speaking on like When the Dougie and the bus In that era And the Boogie, right You know, once, uh, you know Little Will, you know Started taking off And, um, you know Folks started hating, man On the breath You know what I mean Like from a standpoint Ah, man, that's that Boogie music And that ain't what we You know, it was just A lot of that going on Right, you're hearing that In the, you know Folks are putting On dance, man We gangsters We G's and all that Yeah, instead of looking at it Like, hey man This is a brother That has a song, right That's catching on Nationally That's bringing attention To the city You know what I'm saying Support the brother When the attention comes To the city Now you can bask In the spotlight Now you can get a look Because now You know what I'm saying Because of the Because of what he's done In the songs That are getting traction That's causing attention To be on the city Support that movement, man And then do your thing Because now you're going To be able to Now you're out of the darkness Right, now you're into the light Somebody can recognize What you're doing too Whereas if no one Ever brought did anything To bring attention to the city To the rap scene in the city You know, you would have Been floundering in obscurity How did How did I did You get what I'm saying But when you think about The dougie time The movement When you did that song And you made that beat Because the beat You know, it's a slammin' beat Don't, don't, don't You, you, you held You held on wheels back then And now probably even worse But you killed that Like, like Did you know that That was going to be a song That they were going to dance to? No, I didn't know it You just basically made a nice song With a nice beat No, well, I'll tell you what happened Little, I remember I remember it like it was yesterday Little Will, Rude Boy Spain, I think it was I think it was just them, right Oh, they came through the studio one night May have been some other folks in the studio But I know they were in the studio, right Say, man, we got this song You know, dougie man, this thing is Because they had it It was, it was They already had a version of it That was starting to gain traction in the clubs Right Before you, before you Yeah, yeah, they so And so they said, man, we need you to You know, do your thing, right And so Spain I remember Spain in the studio I said, man, what is the dougie? You get what I'm saying? And they, Spain started hitting it He started hitting the thing You know, hitting the thing I can't do it, but you know My daughter didn't do it But Spain was hitting it He was hitting it, right And I said, you know So I'm looking at it And you know, I'm getting the vibe of it Okay, let's do it, right And so we did it But I didn't really understand Because I hadn't seen it in the club Yeah Right, I hadn't seen what they had seen In the club, right And you know, I wasn't You know, they were, you know They were in the clubs You know, kicking it And doing that thing, right And so one night We all went out to the club I'm talking about a whole bunch of us, man Went out to the club It was a, it was a good club It was a club off of 635 Closed to the Galleria But there was a mall Like across the highway Rockerfella was at the club I don't know Rockerfella I never went to that one I can tell you that It was right off there Off of 635 Out of 635 By Preston and all that Yeah, right over there, right And so, you know We go to the club Man, the club is packed Man, they run the Dougie Man, the club went up My God, damn Is this your beat at this time? Yeah, yeah And then right after that They ran Busted Wide Open Oh, tell them Man, the club even went up further You know what I'm saying? Busted Wide Open was Man, eat, man You did that one too? Yeah Yeah, we did those back to back Right, and so And so then I got it And they were running those songs Like they played them And then they played them Played a couple other songs And they were looping right back Man, they, man These folks were Man, these folks were going Crazy in the club Then I understood it I understood it So you have to see it to get it Yeah, because you know Like when you, you know In the process of making the music You know, really Like if you don't really You know, you don't really get it You know, you just like Yeah, okay Did that motivate you To be like, hey We need to get back in the studio Like right now I mean, you know It was a whole lot of things Because just to be honest That wasn't really The type of music I was making You get what I'm saying? That's what you gotta do Like we were, like so So when we had, you came through Like we were together It was, you know My record company Addiction Records We were together Yeah You get what I'm saying? Like we were all You know, all clicked up So that's what That's what type of music we were doing Yeah, we were doing gangsta shit Was that Before that You was Was when you were dealing with Rap a lot more, right? Yeah No, I didn't start dealing With Rap a lot Until after that Until after that So before that As a matter of fact You know, there's a project That we put out With Addiction Records Called The Other Side of the Game We put that out in 05 You know what I'm saying? It's me and the homie Mr. Mac T on the cover Those are the homies Yeah, yeah You know what I'm saying? It was gangsta Yeah, you know What that's all about So, you know Those are the homies So that's the kind of music We were doing We were in the studio All day, every day You know what I'm saying? Making that So, you know And then also You know, I worked with Tom Tom of course That was before or after Yeah, all this stuff was before You worked with Tom Tom Before my Dougie? Yeah, before I worked with I did Cotton Mouth Like Cotton Mouth That album called King Kong Cotton You remember that album? Yeah Man, I produced that whole album Except for one song Wow What song did you do For Tom Tom pre Pre My Dougie stage You know, I did a lot of Mixtape stuff for him But I did the song on You know, on the Either Get Eight album Called Hustle Okay, okay So you was all the way in Yeah, and then I did Some stuff for For Luchy You did some Luchy So you could You could switch it up You're switching it up Matter of fact I met Little Will Through Cotton Mouth Okay It was on I did a song for Cotton I produced a song For Cotton Mouth And remember His little nephew A young pig, right? Okay It was called Elbows Out the Window Wow With Charlie Boy on it Okay I produced that And they shot a video And I met all them I met Rube And I met Rube Boy I can't remember Little Will Was at the Video shoot But I know I met Rube Boy At the At the Video shoot For Elbows Out the Window That's how I met them I met them Through Cotton Mouth So after Little Will You started Switching up your style Or being more versatile Because you said you were I'll go ahead No, because you said you were Only mainly doing Gangsta beats Yeah And then once you met him You started Switching it up to the dance Yeah, you know, yeah That's hard That's hard Yeah, and then After So the Dougie Then I did Right in that time I did another song For Little O That blew up Called Bet you can't do it Bet you can't do it Bet you can't do it On the thing Yeah, yeah, yeah I did that For Little O Right And then And then right after that Is where Matter of fact I connected What became My manager International Red At Rappelot Yeah And I connected Through I connected up with him Through ESG You know what I'm saying Me and ESG Had gotten cool And was solid And so I asked ESG I said man I'm looking for management You know what I'm saying I said man Turn me on to somebody So somebody is solid Right And he said well you know Buns manager man Because ESG and Bun Are real tight That's right And so he called up You know Red boy You know And so this was Around the time They had the What was that The O's on awards In Houston Right So Red boy and them Said hey man Come on down Me and the homies Went on down there Plugged in With the whole Rappelot thing And Dead went Dead went Man You said those on I thought about Beverly Julia Beverly She was on here I had her on here A few months back It's just Something how the south Move man So give me that I got to get the pimp store Right quick Like how was it When you met pimp Yeah Like how was it Working with pimp And he being a producer And you being a producer How was the How did y'all jive KLC told the store On here on How it was working with it For him Being a producer How was it for you Being a producer Working with pimp Man it was a beautiful Thing man So I only worked with pimp One time Like actually worked with him In the studio one time And that was like Three months before he passed Wow And so what happened was Now this is before This was Let me see Pimp passed December 2007 This was in October September or October 2007 Right Gator man The homie My nigga right there So you know Shout out Gator man You did what you do on Gator man Man you know the ball Play is out Man stop Don't do it Don't do it I produced like four or five songs Don't you know that Mark Man that's I'm serious Man look here man Okay let me go on Just run I'm a ball player baby Going hard to the hole Man yeah That one No I produced I produced the one with Zero The one with flip call Phone call I produced the one G's around my neck Yeah yeah I produced that Bad That was the homie Gator, Quint Fox Anyone man That was the homie Killing it man that's hard So okay So let me go on I just know that the boy had Somebody deep behind me That produced it Cause that nigga I used to love to see that Boy bring that Man Gator man listen So check this out right So the Pimp C song Was actually Gator's song Okay That he did with Pimp C Okay Cause this is before I was It was the action one That they did together The one that came out Yeah But the only thing happened Was they added E-40 to it Okay So let me So here's the story Right We get in the studio This is an 07 Right I didn't hook up With Rabelot to 08 Okay Right So Gator was like Man you know I'm doing a song With Pimp man You know come through the studio Pimp came through the studio Pimp laid his verse down You know Pimp was a fool man What he do What he do Pimp was being pissed You know what I'm saying So we worked And man to make it so bad That we had footage That's footage of the whole thing Somewhere man I don't know where it is Some character man Somebody got it Somebody I don't know what happened Lost it I got it But that's footage Somewhere the whole thing Right And so Pimp came through We kicked it You know we kicked it What did he say to you Give me something that he said He said Biggie man You know man You a cold mother fucker on the boys Man You know what I'm saying You know what I'm saying I didn't make you feel that I feel I'm saying that man Come on man That was a salute man That was me man To tell you the truth So me and Pimp That connect I say Man I got some more Because he had a show that night You know what I'm saying Somewhere out here And so I said Hey man I got some more stuff man That you need to put your Ears on man I think you're going to You're going to feel I said I said man So we exchanged numbers Okay And I said Well hey man I'm going to be down in Houston In a couple of You know In a month or so Whatever Handle some business We were Getting some distribution Together for the For the project We had put out Me and Dixon Reckards Never put out Okay And so anyway We go down to Houston Start raining man You know how it be raining Yeah it do be raining It rains a lot We were supposed to hook up With Pimp I had called Pimp Pimp was out in Port Arthur Yeah He said man Just come on out here right But then it started raining I said man you know Catch you on the rebound man It's rain man This and that But your shit man It wasn't no rebound man Pimp was gone man Wow About a month A month and a half So late after that Man So that's crazy But I know Everybody got these stories man And you know That was a thing Moving forward You know I ended up You know having managed You know Red Doing my management Plugging in with Rappelot Yeah Right when I plug in with Rappelot The first So at the time Red was managing Mike Jones And Bunn Shout out Mike Jones And me Shout out Bunn B So I was the You know he was managing He was Mike Jones So you were the producer In the midst of that Yeah and so the first The first piece of work I did When I got to Houston Was on Mike Jones Album The Voice Okay I did a song called Swagger Right Really And so then They're working on this Pimp C The Naked Solar Sweet Jones Yeah Yeah We gotta You know we gotta Get you involved in this Right And I said And I called Gator I said Hey man look They're working on a Pimp C album I said They're not clearing Anything They got to do with Pimp C Man If you want to I put it on the table With Jay now And let Jay Them know That we got a song Right Cool Right So you know I ran it down To Jay and Red And then I said Hey look I got a song I let them hear it Gator hadn't laid a verse On it yet Gator hadn't even laid It was just Pimp's verse on it Right You know He's still trying To get it That's the night That's the night That's the night That's the night Yeah We need that And he said And so Man let me tell the whole story Man I got I told me a point So when I first met Jay Right The first Jay Asked me Jay said Say Biggie Who is the coldest rapper Out of Dallas I said Gator man Hey You should have called That's the body I said Gator man I said Gator man Right He said Let me hear something And so we, Jay had just bought the studio over there. They called the takeover studio. He had just bought that, right? We sitting up in there and I played Gator. Jay vibing. He vibing to it, man. I can't even remember what songs it was, right? It was jamming though, because I know how Gator gonna do it. This is what Jay said. Jay, look at me. He said, Gator, man. Gator, man, right? And he said, man, so I get a call, man, about two in the morning, a few days. So, you know, Jay, Jay operate late at night, right? Get a call and say, man, he said, man, he said, man, Biggie, I need you to get Gator man down here immediately. Jay gon' do it, boy, Jay gon' do it, he gon' hold it down, man. So, you know, I called Gator, I said, hey, man, Jay wanted me with you, right? What Gator say? You know, because I had already told Gator. You know, he vibed to it. No, I told Gator, like when I at first, you know, hooked in with management over there. I said, man, as soon as I, you know, get some room, man, get something for you, man. I said, man, I'm pulling you. Yeah, yeah. I'ma pull you in. That's a real friend too. I said, I'ma grab you, homie. I said, as soon as I, you know, get in, whatever, man, I got you. You know what I'm saying? So the first opportunity that came to the table, man, I, shh. Gator, man. Hey, man, the first time I met Jay, he was the first, well, actually the second time, the first time I met him was out on the street. Yeah. But the first time we had to sit down in the studio. You put that Gator man on. The first, man, I love Gator, man. But I had this CD, I had Gator's music on me. At all time. Man, yeah. Cause I said, man, they ain't got to hear this, right? And so, you can't remember what song. I can't remember. It was so late. I remember that Facts of Life, man. I remember a lot of stuff. I think I want to say it was the Texas album though. Yeah, yeah. It was either the Texas album or Children of the Corner both up. Yeah. It was one of those, you know, the ball player. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Gator, you know, Gator came on down to, you know, went on to the compound, met with Jay. Man. Man, hey, man, Jay, man, Jay was a fan of Gator man's music, man. Loved his music. He loved his music, man. Everybody over there did. That's hard, man. Everybody. And so, that's when you, so Gator, so Jay said that now Gator hadn't had a verse. His verse wasn't on the Pimp C song, right? Jay told you, he said, hey, look at Gator. He said, man, look, man, look, put that heat on this motherfucker. And we going to pull gasoline on that fire, man. We going to blow you up. That's what, that's what. That's the way he told. Man, Jay, so Gator went, did his verse. You know that song, Sister Nighting. Yeah, come on, man. So Gator came, did that verse, man. I brought it back to Jay. I said, yeah, Gator got the verse. We let Jay hear that motherfucker, man. Jay said, man, you know what I'm saying? And they, he said, man, who you think? We said, we need somebody else on the song. I said, well, you know, Pimp said, you know, gangsta party like E-40, make them bring the yellow tape. I said, let's put 40 on it before they, and they put it out. And then, you know, they, you know, they started communicating with Gator. And Gator, Gator, Gator was on. Gator was a couple of rap a lot. I remember that. I remember that's when I was, I was really proud of him when I seen him make that move with him. I remember that time. I wanna say them other boys was doing a thing during that time to them. It was some old, that nigga, she just loved me. Damn D. It was during that time. I produced Damn Ds. It was during that time. Yeah, I produced like six songs on Damn D's album. Yeah. Damn D shot out. Yeah. Yeah, that's when that was that time when I felt like Gator was dealing with that rap a lot thing. Yeah, I was right around that same time. Right around that same time. I was proud of him, man. Real proud of him. No, Gator did his thing. And they, you know, you know, brothers over rap a lot, man. J-Nem had a lot of respect. Gotta have a lot of respect for Gator. No, Gator's staying true, though. You know what I'm saying? He's staying like a real dude when you meet him every time. He's the same solid dude. Yeah, no matter what. That's what stuck out to me. Me and him running the same circles a lot of time just to run into each other like we did. It was always mutual respect and just seeing him out. You know, I liked the way he moved. And even, you know, even like Quinn Fox, man. Like Quinn Fox is on, he's actually on the Swagger Right song. Yeah. That's Quinn Fox on the hook. You got, I got my Swagger Right. I got my Swagger Right. They thought that I was broke now. I'm looking down on the right. You know, have it go. But that's Quinn Fox. Man, cause those are the homies. Like we actually managed Quinn Fox now. Me and my business partner, Ken. That's what I'm saying. And Ken is, you know, Jay. You like to manage. Yeah. He likes the business part. He let a business part. So, yeah, we manage Quinn Fox. We manage a couple of producers. Well, we'll get into that. What did you do for Bunn? Cause you, you, you was over there with Bunn in my, you mentioned Mike Jones. Yeah. Did you do, what did you do for Bunn? So the first song I did for Bunn, every album since, well, from Trillo G, I produced on Trillo G. I produced on Return of the Trill and Bunn B Day. Wow. And we, me and Bunn have a lot of stuff in the vault. Really? Y'all still to this day? Yeah, we got, man. Come on now. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard, man. So we've, we've, the first song I did for Bunn was Speak Easy. Okay. That's with Bunn Twister and Cedric the Entertainer on the hook. How was, how was it? How was Bunn when it come down to going to this? Cause I've heard stories. DJ Byrne one told me that he, he, when you go in it's not a game. He don't do what he got to do with it. It's gonna be over. Bunn keep bankers, I was in the studio, man. It's not in that long. It's business, man. It's, you know what I'm saying? Bunn are coming in, Bunn. Okay. Do his thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Bunn is all business, man. That's hard. You've always heard that. Yeah, I like that. Bunn is all business, no, no, no playing, you know, but Bunn is a, Bunn is a solid dude, man. Yeah. Bunn is one of those brothers, man. You know, the rare brothers that you find in the industry that are, you know what I'm saying? Grounded and, you know, just all around, just a good brother, man. You know what I'm saying? So. Yeah, when I met him, I never forget it. I always tell the story. He, we was in Vegas. I've met him a couple of times in Vegas actually, but he stuck, I had all my kids with me the same photo that I got now. And they grow on two of them. And one of them about to get out. And then the other one, he's still, he's 15, but he's getting out in a few years too. And Bunn seen us all in Vegas. And my kids, my daughter wanted, she was a big Bunn B fan. Shout out to Chastity and she was like, Dad, can I take a picture with Bunn B? And she was running around, he's like, hold on just a minute, you know. And we was talking and then he took pictures with all my kids actually. And once he took pictures with him, I told him, man, you'll stand up guy. And when I told him that, I said, you're a real one, man. He said, no, you're real brother. You the only one in here that got your whole, you know, your whole family with you. He picked it out quick. He's seen it. He's a family man himself. And he's seen that. And he was like, he brought your whole, you got your wife and all your kids are with you. I was in what, by 2010, 2010, 2010, 2010. It was around that 2011 period. Bunn is a man stand up dude, man. Every man, listen, everybody over at Rappelot is a stand up. Jack stand up, stand up dude. Red stand up. Everybody over there, my business partner, you know what I'm saying? Ken, that's one of the Jays right here. Stand up. Man, come on, man, to the bone gristle, man. Wow. That's hard, man. You can set your watch on them reliably, man. These folks are, man, I'm talking about it, man. Straight lace. All the way. That's hard. I like it, man. I love to hear that, bro, because we, and Jay would have to be with the way that he held it down for the culture all these years. You know what I mean? He held it down, bro. Like, a lot of time people be talking, man, but those errors, man, those errors we were just talking about, about the black unity and about the way that he was a person that stood in the midst of that too. You remember Willie D, the way he was rapping on them songs back in the 90s. And you know Scarface, man. He never seen a man cry until you seen a man die. And Bushwick, but at the end of the day, you could tell the strategy was real. And then you hear Jay speak on those, yeah. Oh, yeah, you know. And he would speak on those, it meant something to him. And I'm gonna tell you how, you know, look here, man. Jay, I remember when Rappelot was making a transition from, I wanna say, they were making a transition in a distribution or whatever the case was from Asylum to Universal. So, you know, in that transition, you know, everything is, you know, everything is kind of, you know, kind of held up until everything gets situated, man. And Jay didn't have to do this. You know what I'm saying? I remember we in the studio one day, I'm in the studio doing my thing. I can't remember what album we were working on. Jay came to me, man. Jay said, hey, Biggie, let me rap to you. It was going on. Jay, he said, hey, man, you know, everything is in transition right now. You know what I'm saying? He said, this is what we're doing. This is what's going on. And he said, you know, as soon as we get all that situated, you know what I'm saying? We're gonna get everything, you know what I'm saying? Everything straightened. We're gonna, you know, keep on pushing. But you know, just in the fact that, you know, that's a small, there's a small thing, but Jay didn't have to come tell me that. No, no, he didn't have to. You get what I'm saying? No. And you know what I'm saying? But that's just a testament to the type of brother he is, man. Yeah, yeah. I remember, man, you know, Jay had bought some property out there in Louisiana. Somewhere, it was a little South of Shreveport, somewhere, you know what I'm saying? It was, you know, a family retreat, man. I don't know, 50, 100 acres of something he had bought out there and he was building a family retreat out there, right? We go out there, man, and I'll tell you out there, man, Jay, you know, as well as Jay is, right? You know, I'll be, come on, we ain't got to even, you know. He got it. Jay did it, right? He got it. So, man, out there rapping, man, we just sitting out there just rapping in the woods. Jay said, man, he had built him a nice house out there, right? He said, man, I don't even sleep in the house, man. I said, man, when you sleep at Jay, he said, man, I sleep in the dead stand. Didn't he act just like me? That's real. I'm a country dude, though. He just, he just doing it because he like, he probably like being outside. He like being outside in nature, man. That's real. You know, just real, man. I've always, every time, man, I would, you know, be in the studio with him or whatever, with him, man. You know, just sit there and rap to him, man. Jay, what was it like when you began, man? What was it? You know, what was it? You know, just soaking up games. He always pouring out, man. He always, Jay loves to see black folks winning, man. Wow. That's all. You get what I'm saying? No, and you can tell, man. Like I said, I love it because I know already he represented Southman, and he's serious about it. He was serious about it. Always hear the stories you tell. The book respect, and you know, all the stuff that he's done, you know, I always followed behind and just love the movement, being an older cat, just watching it from the beginning all the way to now to see what he developed and how he developed it. Just extraordinary, even from Master P and all of the different people that say they've seen him and they had something to look up to. It's the same way with all of us, if you're down here looking at what he had to go through and how he accomplished, what he accomplished. You know what I'm saying? And the same thing, go with Bunn, the same thing. They went through their ups and downs, whatever, would jive or whoever, but still stood true to the end, to, you know, till PMC passed away, to the music, to the culture. And I think that's real big, you know what I mean? And then, like, how was it working with Tum Tum? Have you worked with him anymore since that, though? I've been in Tum, man, listen. Me and Tum, you know, but- I was in the, let her know, I was in the video with Tum Tum. It's coming out, too. I met Tum Tum through the Roe Music at my boy, man. I worked with The Roe, you know, I did something on The Roe's second album. Did you? Did the single, M.I.A. Man, you done touched a little bit of everything. Man, come on, man. I've been around these parts, man. Who haven't you worked with in Dallas that you want to work with? Did you work with Chief? No, I haven't worked with Chief. You didn't work with Big Chief? No, I haven't worked with Big Chief. I think Big Chief kind of stayed with Misty. Yes, not with Misty. I mean, we kind of, like, we kind of just, I would say that we kind of missed each other. You know what I'm saying? Like, we just, you know, you know, ass shit it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he wasn't into that boogie movement anyway, though. But no, I wasn't, you know, that's a deal. But you know, Chief is a, you know, he's a, you know, legend around these parts. He's a very much a legend. I'm about to get him back on the show, too. I got to call him up. I'll, you don't know I'm gonna keep him always. I got to miss with him. No, Chief is, man, I, you know, Chief is definitely, you can't really talk about, you can't, no, I can't really, you can't talk about Dallas Hip Hop, man. A Dallas rap without talking about Chief. You can't do it. You can't do it without talking about Tom Tuck and Puggy Lucci. All of them. Pimpster, remember Pimpster? Yeah, you really, I mean, you got a bunch of people who did a bunch of things. A lot of times, Pooka Leroy, Pooka Leroy get left out a lot of time. And I'm gonna be honest with you, he did his thing. He was, I seen him on one on six in park as far as the movement go. So he had a, he had a situation where he was in the midst of everything as well. So you've had some dope people from this city to do some dope thing. Don't forget about Quinn Black. Quinn Black. Yeah, don't forget about all these people, man. You don't have a Nemesis, which started it out for me. Snake, Snake, Snake, Neil. Joe Mack, Joe Mack is the homie. Listen, when that, when that beat, Snake did that beat. Yeah. With that, with that. Last night. Woo! Yeah. Woo! That last night. I worked with Snake. Snake has mixed a lot of stuff that we've done. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Constantly, Snake, good dude. Yeah. 100, you know what I'm saying? Snake always, you know, always. I got it. Bobo Luchiano. Bobo. That's so tight. That's my dude, we talk about daily. But top three producers of all time did our live. Number one. Dr. Dre. Boy, little Dre. I said, this is the first Dre we done got. It should have been, it shouldn't be. Cause I tell them niggas all the time about this song. I gotta say this, Waller. And beat King told me, you know, they don't even think that was the hardest one. It was that, you can find me in the club, bought a fuller book. 50 cent in the club. That was the hardest beat without even 50 cents saying one word on that beat. And I tell people, when it first, when you first heard it, can you remember when you first heard that song? Yeah. Come on. You what you say when you heard that beat? Hard, man. It's the whole song. The beat. But you know, the thing about, I think the thing, you know, I work with Nocturnal. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I've done a couple of songs from Nocturnal. You know, that was Dre's protege. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, I don't think, put it like this. And I'm not, you know, judging anybody. Go ahead. But I think that, you know, how people recognize and view Dre's production tells you how, how- The respect level? No, not even the respect level, but people's, what do you call it? People's aptitude. Okay, okay. For music production. Because they don't, you see, the thing about Dre is this. Dre has mastered, you know what I'm saying? The sonics of production, not only that, but putting the right thing with the right thing, making a hit. Dre is a master at that. The thing about Dre is, like Dre is sitting in the studio, Nocturnal was telling me, I was talking to Nocturnal when we were working together, right? He was saying, man, Dre is sitting in the studio for five, six hours, just EQ and a snare. Wow. You know what I'm saying? The sonics of it. And when you really listen to Dre's production, right? You can hear it, man. Dre, like when you listen to Dre's mixes, right? I want to just get super technical on it, right? Dre carves out a hole in the middle of the mix and sets the vocals right in the middle. And everything, every instrument is breathing on its own. Wow. And when you hear it all together, it creates just a certain effect. Just an effect that affects you a certain kind of way, but it's the symphony of it. And Dre is a master at that. And nobody, I don't know of anybody as master at that. Number two. Like Dre. I would say, I'll say, man, for me, Battlecat. Okay, Battlecat. We never heard that one. Battlecat is cold. What has he done? Everything. You know what I'm saying? He's a maker, man. I don't know. Callie is active. Battlecat has done all the east side of stuff, most of it anyway. I remember Snoop in the past. Nipsey? No, no, the youngest of the died. Or he's not a youngster. He used to be with Snoop. I don't want anybody to get the wrong idea about me. Not Nate, though. No, no. I'm a gangster. That whole go home. I can't remember. What's that dude's name? What is that dude's name, man? The little dude. You know what I'm talking about, man. I don't want anybody. I know the song. I know that song. But Battlecat produced that song, right? Let me ask you this. I'll say Battlecat. Who do you think number three is? I got to get this out of you before I get you out of here. I would say that three is the hardest. It's always the hardest one. He's got to call it. There's so many. There's so many. Who do you think? Narrow it down. To be honest, man, I would have to, and man, you know, I, man, I got to throw Mike Dean in there, man. Okay, okay. And I don't even know if that's the right order, but I got to throw Mike Dean, man. Mike Dean. Mike Dean, go hard. Man, Mike Dean. Man, out of the young people, who do you see that you like younger than yourself? Producers. Producers, wise. Metro Boomi. Metro Boomin. Boy, what's the boy? He's down there with, like the honorable C-note. Okay. What's the dude, man? Producers, produces a lot of stuff. Tag is on a, something on the beat. Mustard on the beat? Mustard on the beat. That's what I'm saying. Mustard is cold too. I like mustard. But I'm not thinking about mustard. I'm thinking about mustard. Man, I said mustard. Mike Real made it. It's so many different producers, but them young niggas are serious. Man, I salute all those youngsters, man. To tell you the truth, because they're doing that thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Double A, man. Double A is a hard producer. Double A, what did he produce? Double A did a lot of NBA young boys stuff. And then I had Tago on here just here recently. And Ziggy made it. Ziggy made it. Ziggy made it is producers for Yellow Beesie. Then right now, Lodeezy's son. Oh, okay. Ziggy made it go hard. He produced for Gunna Meazie. He just did one for, Did he do for Kodak Black? Yeah, he just did one for Kodak. What did he do for Yellow? What did he do for Yellow? Man, it's a bunch of them. I'd have to pull it up, but I know we go over them every time when I interview them. I have them in there. I was just trying to, yeah. You be listen to a lot of Yellow. You hear his tag. It always says Ziggy made it. Ziggy made it. Yellow, Yellow, that's my homie, man. Matter of fact, I'll tell you a story about Yellow, man. Well, I don't know. I think it was the first time he met Bun. He and him and Bun got together in the studio. You know, me and Yellow went down to Houston together. Really? Bun had called me and said, hey, man, it's time to go back into the studio, man, we work it, right? And Yellow was coming through the studio real tough. And I was like, man, Yellow, you wanna go down to Houston, fuck around in the studio with Bun? Like, yeah, shit, we wrote this before, you know, this before. Before the. Because the way I met Yellow, he was over there at the time working with DJ Deuce. Okay. This is when he put the country rap tunes out. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, man, you said, you the homie, homie, and they said, you the homie, you know what I'm saying? Me and Yellow, you know what I'm saying? You know, mobbed down to Houston, got in the studio, Bun and Bun connected. They connected. And then, you know, but Yellow was already making moves because Yellow was real cool. You know, Yellow was real cool because we had got in the studio with Sauce Walker in there. Yeah. Down there. And you know, Yellow was in with those boys. And I ain't know those cats, you know what I'm saying? Wow. But they was, you know, Yellow's the homie. Yeah. I always loved his music. I say it all the time. Yellow is another. As far as when I first heard him Trap and Design and all that, that was one of them thing. I'm in the stove, man. Stop playing. Yeah. Yellow is another dude, man. Yellow has always been 100, man. That's hard. Always, man. Yellow is a solid dude, man. Wow. You know what I'm saying? I had never seen anything flawed in that brother, man. You know what I'm saying? Yellow is always kept going on. You hanging out in the studio with DJ Deuce. So you know if they flaw. And just in real life, man, you know, but just a testament to the character of Yellow, Beazey, right? I remember, hell, man, he did a show at the House of Blues. And this is after, you know, he had blown up, right? Man, this brother had all these acts from Dallas. And reached in to all of them, reached out to all of them, brought them on that stage, let them get out with money bag, yo, or whoever else he had out there. You remember that? No, I don't remember. But I know, I know. That's a hard thing to do in the midst of your success, to be honest with you. I got to ask you this before you get out here. How can people get a hold of you if they're trying to get a hold of you? You can get at me, you know. Hit me on Instagram, man. Okay. It's a biggie beat. Man, it's a biggie beat. Y'all know what it is, man. Stop playing. Y'all heard the tags, man. Check it, man. Hey, man. Man, thank you for coming on the show. We love you, bro. Now, this ain't the last time, is it? No, no, no. You're gonna come back whenever you hang out with me. You're gonna do some co-hosting with me. Hey, man, as long as we breathing. Check it, man. Hey, man, it's been another great segment, man. A boss talk 101 when a boss is taught. And we out.