 It's just me at least until a one can get here. So hopefully I won't babble too much at you It's been a long time since we've seen you guys. I'm really happy to be back Nice bright and sunny day here very cold But I'm glad to get back to Friday date nights So one thing I wanted to talk about today was our year-end stats, which was pretty exciting Let me see if I can get to those hold on a second We ended the year with 42,539 profiles that were taken out of an Undated status, so that was very exciting You guys did great So that is a lot to be proud of and it helps everybody so it helps it helps find duplicates It helps make connections easier, so yay Good job you guys The other thing that I thought might be fun is to Take a look at the section of our free free space page where we talk about what you do When you find a date So let me share this we're going to go into the tube of infinity here again. Hold on a second So, let me see who's here and then we'll jump into that We've got Greg Levois here and Thomas Kainline Tommy book John Tyner Kathy Nava Robin shawls Nancy Wilson So nice to see everybody Ralph Maxa. That is a name. That's a new name for us. I think Ralph I don't think we've seen you up Friday date night before So glad to have you here Well, there's people up here Kathy, do I say Kathy a lush is here a lush you could come in and keep me company Christine Miller from Montana, I don't remember Christine being here before Leah is here Deborah Outland I think that's it so far so really glad to have you guys here. Oh and Jelaine is here too. Yay. Yes, Nancy We're in the tube of infinity I'm gonna click over to our free space page and hopefully that will show up here. It's hard for me to do both Hoping you guys can see that let me check it you somebody tell me can you see it ding me in Discord if you cannot see it So I'm just gonna forge ahead here So I know that we have a lot of new people that have joined in on Friday date night Over the past few months and there's also always lots of questions about what do I do if I did this or if I found this So I'm gonna just walk through this real quick. I did not have time to pull up any sample profiles So I'm just gonna fly away here and you guys go ahead and ask your questions in the chat I can't watch it while I'm doing the screen here Nancy you said you can see it in full screen. Oh, okay Hang on here Yeah, you guys should be able to see the I Can't watch so I'm very sorry. Let me hang on a second. So we'll just walk through this Hang on a second So let me pull up the free space page. You guys can maybe follow along with me now. Where'd it go? You guys can go to this link And It might be easier if you follow along there with what I'm doing or you can just stay here and watch so So what happens if you find a date? Oh is somebody here? She didn't want to hear me sitting here babbling to myself I Glad you're here Mentioned earlier. We're walking through the what do you do if we can find a date fun? Yes So we're thinking maybe go out to dinner or have a glass of what no I'm kidding. It's a good start. Yeah So the most important thing you can do is add your source citation because if you found a date you have to have it We have found it somewhere, right? If it's in the post 1700 era You can use a family tree as a source We don't think that's the best source, but you could still use it at least gives us a hint You can use kind of grade you can use an obituary from a newspaper on newspapers calm Or maybe you found something on us Just the year on a census record or something like that. Just make sure you put a note in there The full citation would be fantastic If you don't know how to do that just let us know where it is Give us a link or at least describe it the best you can and add as much information as you can from your source So that would be very If this is a deceased person you find out they were born say 1859 so you know they're deceased You're of course gonna add the date and the source I repeated that again And then I recommend you go ahead and save your changes after you've added that and Then it's important that you go out and do a search for matches because Without that date in there this guy might have shown up in a list with a hundred other You know John does or whoever you're working on and You never it'll if you've got the data there It's just gonna make it a lot easier to narrow down the the field of profiles, so Go ahead and search you might be able to combine stuff and That might you know get somebody hooked into the big tree too, so that would be fantastic so we'll propose emerges if you find them and then There's that little matches link at the top of the profile See if there are any unmerged matches on this profile because this again the state that you added might help to narrow down the the Ambiguity that that was there when the unmerged match was that so you might be able to clear up that unmerged match And the arborists will thank you for that Let's see just be careful about merging If you're not comfortable with it go to G2G and say I don't feel comfortable merging this And you help me because a lot of these profiles are orphaned So if you go to merge it, it's just emerges just going to go through And you just want to be careful you're saving the right information and actually have a true match Then you can be on your merry way knowing you did a really good thing And when do you have anything to add for these profiles for the DC people? I don't Nothing all covered really well on that page keep talking. I need a drink Yeah, okay exciting to say Okay, okay. Well, then we'll move on Because this is the next part is harder if the person might still be living Or if they're born in an era where you're you know a time period where you're not sure like 1929 or you know the 1940s I Try to go out and see if I can find an obituary from them Which always feels just a little funny because you know, I don't want to be morbid and Go. Oh good. They're dead. I can add their obituary. I don't want to do that But it's it's helpful to go ahead and search a lot of times you'll be able to find them on find a grave And sometimes they'll have an obituary listed there, which is helpful for making sure they're connected to the right family or whatever If you do happen to find them for example in the 1940 census and you see their birthday, you know They were born in 1935 or whatever. They're still a good possibility. They're living But you can go ahead and add the date and the source and then You're gonna run into a problem then So because if you save it you're gonna get that error message about It you know, this is gonna cause an orphaned Profile that that is private and we know those are always difficult to handle but go ahead and add the date in the source Or if you can't find a date, but you're pretty sure they're still living click the still living indicator in the death date field Add a note to why you think they're still living and I think anyone it went with this changed recently when they click the save button and that banner comes up That says you might be creating an orphan private profile. They can still click save anyway, right? I believe so. I think I think you can still do that If you guys have run into that just comment in there and let us know what your results were because it I think it changed a couple times Recently and I don't recall what the outcome is Anyway, regardless of what happens You want to make sure you add a note to the profile to let us know, you know Where you found the date or if you couldn't but why you think they're still living and Then this is very important if you're gonna create a private profile. It's very important that you add The wiki tree admin category if there's no manager on the profile If there's a manager on the profile, no problem So, you know, we don't we don't need to worry about those that will just be on their watch list And it will just go private, which is fine And you don't have to adopt these by the way, I know some of you have and that's fine But I won't always be able to know whether or not you were the original profile manager You adopted it because you wanted to keep it or whatever So it really is helpful if you just put the wiki tree admin category on and leave it orphaned if you can Let's see So of course you're gonna want to save and the banner that pops up. I'm pretty sure you get a save anyway on So how are we doing anybody have any questions so far? So far so good. Okay So if you can't find a date What do you do? Well, you can either make an estimate Estimated dates are not the best But sometimes they come pretty close I'm gonna pop over here to the estimated dates help page. Is that showing up on the screen a one? Yep, good Okay, so the rule of thumb is Women were often around age 20 or so when they married and had their first child and men are often around age 25 Or often around age 25 Or you can look at when they got married and usually within the first year or so a Child would be born. So those are good rules of thumbs The thing to keep in mind is that you could be way off because if it's the youngest child in the family The mom could have been 30 Or the husband, you know, if you're basing it off the father's Birthday oftentimes the husbands could have been 10 or 15 years older than the mother. So it's a it's kind of a, you know Luck of the draw on these estimated dates, but it is often helpful for you know trying to find duplicates at least So, you know another thing you could do is Estimated date and put it into the search criteria if you were doing a search for duplicates and um And what was I gonna say? If you're doing a search for duplicates and you put the name in you could use an estimated date in the search field And see if you can find some other profiles that match for it that way But you know, you can go ahead and add an estimated date to the Profile just make sure that you add this template I'm trying to highlight it to make it easier to see Um, because that way it gets put into a category that people work on for profiles with estimated dates And it also alerts anybody who's looking at the profile that the date could be way off So just be careful with that when you're estimating dates. Um, we know that they help sometimes and sometimes they don't And of course, you don't want to estimate dates based on other estimated dates because that can just go haywire really fast Oh, let's see If you encounter a profile or like a whole family or group of profiles that came in on a jedcom And you can't find anything. They're probably just too recent to track down sources for Just add a note to the profile You can put it in a research note or just make sure that it's available to the team so we can take a look at it and um Let us know what your thoughts are the more you tell us the better Um, and that way we can go out and take a look sometimes these profiles should have been set to private And if somebody's account was closed, they should have been deleted because if if a person has private profiles on their Watchlist and they close their account their private profiles should be deleted and and sometimes or back in the day That didn't happen, but it should have but it was all manual. So it there were a lot of them that were missed um So we just want to go ahead and some of those more recent ones Um, and I see a one had to disappear She said she messaged me that her internet is misbehaving But anyway, those those private Profiles or that should have been private that are open without dates that should have been deleted We can just take care of those and get rid of them because they they really shouldn't be out there without the living person being aware of that So we need to have managers for them And a lot of times what I do is if I can find one of the family members in that group that is being managed by a member Then I'll message them and say would you mind taking this group and then we don't have to delete them, but A lot of times we do I don't like doing that though It just kind of makes a mess that messes up people's changes log and It's not fine All right, we're gonna have a moment of silence now while I read comments I hope a one can get back in Uh, let's see Kathy is telling rolf that uh, they moved here because Where did you move to Kathy? I'm not going to go all the way back in here It looks like we're all having an old home week here where everybody's introducing each other. That's awesome Aowens or uh, gelene said is a good reminder about finding matches Yeah, that's a big thing with the undated profiles because they just You guys know if you search for matches you end up with these long lists and a number of them don't have Dates I like to just go through my watch list and Do the find matches just to find profiles that don't have dates That's very gratifying Oh, what else? Um, gelene said there's no warning and I'm thinking you're talking about when you add Or when a profile is going to go private Without a manager and yeah, there there should be a warning I think that there was there were some adjustments that were made a while back where um, jamie had Done something to accommodate what we were doing here that allowed us to save a profile and Not have to have a date in there or something and it got switched around a couple times So now I can't remember where we're at with that But give it a try and if you have trouble with it just message us in discord On the friday date night channel and if i'm around i will pop in there and answer your question or help you See what we can figure out together Uh, let's see Just make sure you get the category on there. That's very important This is all on the on this um friday date night Space page so that I I hope I've answered all the questions there that are real critical So if I if there's something I've missed I would love to hear it because I'd rather have it out there So you guys always have something you can go to um Nick cathey said if the if find a grave Has the birth year and the death year with a picture of the headstone Do we mark the uncertain button or note it in the bio research notes? I don't ever take any of those as certain Unless there's a death record or a birth record because I've seen too many headstones that were incorrect And you can sometimes tell you know if the person died in like 1898 And their headstone it looks so nice and crisp and new. You know, it's a new headstone and the person who Bought the headstone may pat it off by a year or so. So I don't mark them certain You can just leave that blank. You don't have to mark it certain or uncertain Unless, you know, you're on a find a grave and there is no Source there or headstone or anything. I you could just leave it unmarked Let's see even if it's a duplicate you can add something to usually What did I miss? That's what Nancy said I'm not sure what you're referring to Nancy Um, let's see And oh and sue said that the warning was there the other yesterday When she went to try and save a profile with That was going private. So that's good. That's good to know And sue did it did it give you a save anyway link that you or button that you could click Because that would be fantastic Um, any other questions I I am really terrible at sitting here talking to myself So I'll just sit here and read your comments and twiddle my thumbs, you know Okay, so sue did say that there was a button for save anyway So just go ahead and save it make sure you have the category on there though If you find yourself forgetting to put the category on you message us on the discord channel So that we can still find it you'll have to give us the link and we can get that squared away But please add the category Um, sue wants to know if we can use an info from an obituary on find a grave Does it have to be labeled more than just as regular find a grave source? A lot of times when I use find a grave as a source, I will put I I always use the citation down at the bottom of the memorial They have a really nice citation right up down there written up down there if you haven't seen it Um, I think up at the top of the memorial There's a link that says view source and if you click that it take pops you down to the bottom They have a nice little formatted block of citation there, which is great. So I'll I'll pop that in Um, I edit it to add our find a grave template if you don't know what that is We can share that on discord um and Then I'll sometimes I'll just put a little note after the citation I'll put it in italics or whatever and I'll just say does not have a headstone Or something like contains obituary that's not cited or you know something like that And I found also if you do find a find a grave that has the obituary on it sometimes you can just highlight a section of text in the obituary that has like unique Words or names in it and do a google search and sometimes the obituary will pop up You'll get you'll find the website in the google search And you can go ahead and make a citation yourself. So that's always handy Oh, let's see Nancy I could talk about the weather or my dogs the weather is very cold. We're having a cold snap So we're in the single digits and I've been there all week. So the dogs are incredibly bored They've been so bored. They've been antagonizing each other just kind of you know poke poke and then they run around and make us crazy Nothing else very exciting though They're they're just kind of chilling out like the rest of us because it's so cold outside They'll go out for five minutes and then come back in So I get all my exercise these days Getting up to let the dogs out let them back in Ah Let's see what Kay says I found where find a grave has a bio copied from some local history It may name the history and you can find that as another source. Yes. I agree. I've seen that before too Sometimes the find a grave memorial managers are really good about putting in where they found the information I love it when they put the deaths death record on there. That's always handy And hi, Charles Platt from Macon, Georgia. Welcome I hope you guys are staying warm down there. I think you've had some terrible weather too Junior is here. She said I'm doing a surname direct ancestor list for my stories I'm finding that it also helps me merge children with the same parents. It is filling in the blanks connectathon should be much easier absolutely So that that's great. I love getting people connected. It's just so satisfying to connect them in and then their branch just goes like that And happy new year sue. Welcome Um, let's see Well, I've never seen that before John said he found a burial slip that tells how deep the grave was I've never seen that wow Nancy I think the wiki tree source or extension would work for friday date night. You're just looking for sources So it should I started using that quite a lot. I love when you find And I'll I'll pop up the the apps page here while I'm talking When you find a source for example on I'm terrible at doing this and talking at the same time When you find a source like on ancestry Let me turn my screen again The wiki tree sourcer app will Let you search for a number of them over on find a grave. So let's see There we go again you guys So here if you go to help apps Here's joey. Hi, joey Um, just scroll down and you'll find the wiki tree sourcer app That rob paving made for us It's really handy Um He's got it all written out instructions how to install it how to use it. It's just super Um, I have it installed up here. Of course this page isn't going to allow me to do anything, but Um Go to the help colon apps page and you can also find that under the find menu And uh, it will let you search for sources based on the profile that you're looking at And I'll let you look at a number of different places. You can look at family search Um ancestry I'm going to draw a blank on the other ones at the moment There's a couple of different places where you can go based on the information in your profile that you're working on and it Will help you find all kinds of stuff. So it's really good. We really appreciate rob creating that for us Uh, what what else is going on here? My new year celebration was very quiet. It was my husband and I and our son Um, we had wanted to have some neighbors over but it seemed like everybody had been exposed to covet So we just tucked in and had some nice little appetizers and uh, a few beverages and watched the ball drop and then went to bed But it was fun We enjoyed each other's company I hope everybody else had a really nice happy happy really nice new year's celebration too Let's see Had weather and all four seasons charles plat said in georgia. I've heard about that. You guys got hit kind of hard with some stuff down there Uh, june john, I found I can't read Found a few the same way as also was able to tell someone where their child was buried when they went to bury her father Went back for a second mural because of it That's awesome Yes, nancy said find my past is oops Wrong one find my past is another one you can access through sorcerer And lauren welcome lauren. I didn't see you earlier wiki tree sorcerer is the best thing since slice bread. I do agree with that Um, I did not know this k said beware of any 1900 us census On family search because many of those are broken. How are they broken k? Um, is it just the families aren't grouped or they don't they go to the wrong family? I'm not sure what you mean by that. Give us more info Uh, let's see June said she had a quiet time at home celebrating with her husband and her dog nancy I already talked to nancy outside of here. She knew she had a quiet new year's celebration so That's about it guys Unless k is going to tell me something about the 1900 census K I have an idea Oh, they have taken the head of household and put your details on each household member So they split it sounds like they split up the listing Or the wrong details around the household members is what i'm getting Could you share more about that in our channel, please in their friday date night channel? Oh john and john had cake on new year's day Well, happy birthday to your brother. That's great What a what a day to have a birthday. Did he win prizes? Did your parents win prizes when he was born? All right, I have nothing else you guys I'm sure that we would all like to dive in there and get dating I decided to try some earlier today and I the first one I picked ended up Being somebody that I need to really sort out because it's either conflated or One of the sources is wrong about his birth location So it's like the first one. I don't even get to date much. I just I found a date for his wife And now I've got to go in and sort him out. So It'll still be interesting All right, you guys it's been great. I'm sorry that you had to listen to me ramble And I hope that you have a wonderful weekend Uh, we will see you on discord bring all your questions and your helpful comments And uh, I guess we'll see you in two weeks After oh by the way after the connectathon, which is next weekend. I can't believe it. It's coming up really fast So have a good weekend. I'll see you