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Okay, the next thing is public comment. Is anyone here for public comment? And this is just general public comment unrelated to anything that is on the agenda later down on the agenda. If you have general public comment, please raise your hand or pressing the hand button at the bottom of the screen. No public comment, okay. Great, so we'll move on to licenses. A, special short-term alcohol-serving licenses. The first one is SST-22-66, Michelle Kehan, Wein and Malt Hitchcock Center, October 6th, 3 p.m. to 6 p.m. Everybody get a chance to look at the paperwork that Steve sent along. So is anyone here from that license? I believe Casey is here, yep. Casey, okay. Yeah, I'm here. Oh, hi, great, welcome. So could you introduce us to this? Sure, yeah, so my name's Casey Beebe. I'm the operations manager at Hitchcock Center. So we are doing a new fundraising event at our own site, which is a new and exciting thing for us. And part of, so it sounds like the date was maybe wrong on that, it's October 16th, or I don't know if that was just a one was missing, but October, okay, October 16th. And the model, it's gonna be a catered meal. It'll be a ticketed 21 plus event with a fixed time of three to six on a Sunday afternoon. We have several different vendors, local brewers. So we have White Lion Brewery, Blackbridge Vineyards, Kars Cider House, and I'm blanking on the, I'll look it. And so we are hoping that part of the ticket would be, so we'll be, I don't know how many details you actually want or just the details that relate to alcohol, but I can, we're mostly interested in where the sales are gonna happen on the spot and your age verification. Yes, so we will have a check-in and we will card, we will card everyone and they'll get bracelets. You know, not that anyone could be there without a bracelet, but so we'll have bracelets that we can quickly see. Thank you. So we do have a fenced garden teaching area and so the different vendors would be throughout that fenced garden area. We would, so as people check-in, they would get carded, they would get a bracelet, they would then move to the next table that would sell the tickets, sort of tickets for that they would then take to each vendor if they wanted to buy a drink. And so each of the vendors, all are tip certified themselves, but we will be buying the alcohol from them, which I guess was part of sort of making this fit within to what was allowed and what was good work. And we also have a staff person who's tip certified, who will be sort of just a general monitor. So all alcohol sales would happen within that fenced area and then, I don't know if people have been to our site, but we don't really have neighbors, we're up on a hill surrounded in the woods, but we will have, as you can see sort of signage, that wouldn't allow people to kind of take alcohol into the driveway or into the parking lot or back onto the trail system. So it would be limited to that fenced garden area and the place where we'll be serving dinner, which was under a tent in our yard, as well as an indoor space. Yeah. Okay, that sounds, that sounds good. Do you all have, yeah, or questions? Yeah, do you guys have any questions about this? Anything that, any comments? Concerns? No? Okay. Is there a motion to approve? So moved. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Dylan. Any further discussion? Nope. Okay. Well, then let's take a vote. Dylan. Hi. Doug. Hi. Hallie. Hi. Gaston. Hi. And I vote, I, five to zero, the short-term license is approved. Thank you so much for coming in. Thank you. Best of luck with your event. Yeah, I'll put those right. All right. Thanks. Bye-bye. Okay. So next up is, hold on, let me get it right here. Are we under the UMass ones or is this Gabrielle's? So Gabrielle, not only is she at the block party now, that license is quite ready with everything. So I think we will have to take to our next meeting, which will still be before the event. Okay. Mr. Plotkin is here for his application. Okay, great. So SST dash 22 dash 68, Jeremy Barker Plotkin Simple Gips Farm, a wine and malt license, September 17th, 10 to five. And this is kind of the harvest festival, right? That's correct. Can you guys hear me? Okay. Yeah, great. I can hear you. Super. So how is this going to work? Let us know. This is our harvest festival, which is just a big celebration of the fall harvest and kind of the fact that we're here as a farm and kind of available to the community. It is going to be an all ages event, but we'll be carding people and giving them a wristband for them to be able to buy a beer ticket. So, and the whole area is kind of enclosed. There's a gate in, I think I gave you guys a map that shows, it's kind of like a raspberry, raspberry bushes on one side, there'll be a snow fence and then a stream and there's a fence on the other side. So there are gates and there's entry, but it is an enclosed area. And yeah, we're going to be serving food. We're going to have craft vendors there. So it'll be a, and kids activities and whatnot, but the alcohol part itself will have one place where people are buying, we're having beer from Almond Brewing Company and Cider from Cars Cider and Jonathan from Cars Cider will be serving, but he's going to be kind of acting as a independent contractor to serve both of those products and will invoice us for the cider. We're buying the beer and then you'll invoice us for the cider that how much he sells at the end of it. Yeah, and what other details are you interested in, I guess? I think, and did you cover the age verification? Yeah, we'll be carting people. Right, okay, great. And so Jonathan's tip certified, I'm tip certified as well. Okay, great, I think I saw that. Any questions, Doug? Just a quick one. Candice, have in the past, are you, is it pretty much the same sort of setup and operation that you did in the past? Yeah, yeah, we've done it several times in the past. Great, thank you. Thank you. Any other questions or comments, Dylan? Hey, this is for this Saturday, correct? 10 a.m. to five? Yeah, that's correct. Yep. Okay, anybody else comments? No. If nothing else, then is there a motion to approve the short-term license? So moved. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thanks, Dylan. Any further discussion? If not, then we'll take a vote. Doug? Hi. Hallie? Hi. Gaston? Hi. Dylan? Hi. And I vote aye, five to zero. The short-term license is approved. Thanks so much for coming in and I hope the festival goes really well. Thanks. Thank you all. Okay. So next up is the bunch of licenses for you. Oh, these are in different places. UMass. So the finance area. Yes. And I will. Okay. Oh, they're in several different places. I don't think I noticed when I made the agenda that the Tillis Performance Hall is just the lobby of the Fine Arts Center. So not as many places as we thought. But Bill Trispin from UMass is here and he did send me along one request. There was one with the, he, the date was entered wrong on SST 2239. It was actually on October 12th, not October 11th. So the board entertains that. We can change that. Okay. Hi everyone. Oh, hi. How are you? Good, how are you guys all doing? Good. How are you doing? Doing good. Thank you. Yeah. Nice to see you again. So just. Yeah. This series is for the Fine Arts Center 2022-23 season. It's their concession stand that they do either in a lobby of the Fine Arts Center or the lobby of the auditorium on day one. On day 23, there's 14 events at the Fine Arts Center and six over at the auditorium. And each one there'll be snacks provided for sale in addition to the alcoholic beverages and non-alcoholic beverages. And just being, you know, catering staff and catering managers on duty to monitor and tip-signifying bartenders at each other. So, could I answer any questions that you guys have about them or for me? Okay. Thank you so much. So I think everyone got a representative sample of the licenses. Is that correct Steve? But not all of them. Yes. Yes. I'm happy to show any of them on the screen if people have particular questions, but I did include one example from each of the sites. They're all pretty much identical with some little variations of timing. Should be reflected in the agenda. Okay. Great. Great. Thank you. Are there questions? Doug. Just confirm that data again on SST 2239. What was the date? What should it have been? October 12th, Saturday, October 12th. Okay. I mean, I'm sorry, it was Wednesday, October 12th. Okay. And then the other question, and this is more for Steve, the, we're not talking about the top of the campus ones at the moment. We're just talking about the other events at the performance spaces. Is that correct? So these are all applied for by top of the campus. There are some of them, I think from 55 on, which are literally at the top of the campus on the top of the campus center there. Like, so that's the events that are related more to a dinner service as part of the students degree program, right? Correct. Yes. Okay. So I'll ask a more generic question. So you've done these in the past with us. I'm presuming that the locations and sort of, you know, locations of bars, locations of staff controlling, et cetera, et cetera, are they pretty much the same as has been the case in the past? Absolutely. Yep. Exactly the same. Okay. I just thought that would be a case, but I just wanted to. Okay. Thanks, Doug. Gaston. Thank you. Just confirming that it's cash bar all around or without going to each event, but is that right? There are cash bars at each event, right? No tickets or hosted bars or something like that. Okay. Very good. All right. Great. Thanks. Any other questions? Nope. Is there a motion to approve the licenses with the change of date for the one? Moved. Okay. Great. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thanks, Dylan. Any further discussion? No. Let's take a vote. Dylan. Hi. Hallie. Hi. Gaston. Hi. Doug. Hi. And I vote aye. Five to zero. The licenses for top of the campus was that are approved. That's SST 38. Is it 38 through 64? Excellent. Thank you. All right. Thank you so much for coming in. Appreciate it. Take care. Yeah. Best of wishes here at the events. Thanks. Bye-bye. Bye. Okay. Great. Well, that's that. Okay. On to discussion items. So we did a lot of yes, Gaston. You know, I was thinking, I wonder if it's been very helpful to keep all the discussion items and the agendas in so much as we kind of make sure to not forget about them. Right. But I wonder if now we've kind of gone too much to the other extreme. And I wonder if it would be helpful to actually decide which issue we want to talk about each meeting so that we kind of prepare for that particular topic and also give kind of fair notice to the public and also don't end up kind of going in depth into three issues which would take us, you know, two hours. So I, there's good reasons why we've ended up here. And I guess maybe this is better for the end of the meeting. I'm just raising a question about whether we want to rethink our approach to the agenda on these other items. Yeah, sure. I mean, that would be, that would be fine. Do you want to talk about that now or do we want to wait until, I mean, we can just talk about it now. I mean, I don't know that we're going to get to all of them. So we might as well just, so Steve, what did, because you were kind of the ball was sort of in your court at the last meeting and you were making a lot of corrections to these things, right? So where are you with all of these like before we go around the room? Yeah, so on the fee comparison, I did present them to the town finance director and he, he sent me back a really good list of questions about, you know, some of the more details of these types of things and numbers and things like that. I wanted to, didn't have a chance to get them all the good data before the meeting. So I will be following up with him with that. I didn't have really as much free time the last couple of weeks as I was hoping to get a new version of them all back. So I chose to focus instead on lunch carts. I think with the liquor license guidelines were pretty much there. I really just need to kind of finish making some of those corrections we noted and present it. I think with adult youth marijuana we're in a good place, but I think we might want to consider kind of scaling that up as we hear that the host community agreements might not be enforced. I think that'd be a little further away. And I think with lunch carts our attention today, and if we put that on the real agenda, so to speak, I think that was a good, good point, Gaston, and as well as the fee, sorry, the license guidelines next week. I think if we do kind of one last or the next meeting, I think we do one last round of comments and revisions. We'd be ready for a public hearing to adopt both of them at the first meeting in October. Okay, so maybe in the future, I mean, just to kind of go through this very quickly is that I could check in with you, Steve, and see where you're at, because a lot of this does depend on you, and then we can just schedule whatever you think is going to be or whatever you've got, you know, you're kind of caught up with. Does that sound good for that meeting? Yeah, that sounds good. Is that good? So tonight we won't, so we're not gonna do adult youth marijuana tonight. We're not gonna do rental, we're gonna do lunch cart, and then license fee, you said is next time? Yes, I mean, I can't give an update on rental. That's what's been really taking up a lot of my time. Oh, has it? Okay, all right, well, let's just skip ahead to that and what is your update on rental? I guess it's not particularly interesting, but we've just been chasing down a lot of the people who did not review. The IT department's actually been helping me. We're trying to kind of, now that it's been a little while, a little longer than anybody would need, if maybe they were out of town for a couple of weeks or something to renew their application, we're trying to kind of chase down everybody. And so the IT department's been helping me with comparing the list of people who are, the properties that had permits last year and don't have them this year. OpenGov does actually offer pretty good tools for tracking renewals, but a lot of people don't renew their rental permits. They just submit new ones, whether it's because the properties have changed over because some people just don't really, don't really go down the right path technically and they still managed to submit a new application, not a renewal. And so we've got that list. We've been sending out some letters to those people, who submitted applications, but didn't pay. And we've pretty much got everybody who was missing something or the other cleared up. So we're doing that. And we're also gonna be working on a big push, just kind of reviewing the assessor's data. The IT's been working on that as well. Look for all multifamily properties that don't have rental permits because they really all should. And also taking a closer look at single family houses where the mailing address for the property is not the property itself, is indicative of there maybe being a rental there. So we'd be kind of just looking into those a little bit more closely. So big push on that at the moment. Okay, great, thanks. And lunch cart bags. All right, let's take a look at that. So I did also get some comment from Rob before the meeting. And I guess at the top here, one thing he pointed out was that $20 per day for a short-term license might end up being a little bit excessive for things like fairs or the carnival there. And maybe there would be some kind of defined period of time that the short-term license would be good for. It says no more than three consecutive calendar days here. And perhaps we would just change this to just $20 for a short-term license and not refer to days. People are supportive of that. Yeah, I think that sounds good. Does anybody else think that's on time? Yeah. And I did get a chance to speak with the collectors about parking, so. Oh, great, okay. As we get further down. So this was a comment somebody made was, you need to write new photos unless there are significant changes. Now, this was something I thought there was some interesting discussion about last time was the short-term license and the possibility of administrative approval. Some people were in favor of it for all short-term events. Some people were in favor, maybe only on the common or a couple other areas. And some people suggested only around a special event, the board has pre-approved. Rob was in favor. He says he's always a fan of administrative approval. It does help things move smoother, especially in kind of short time scales. So I think that would certainly make things easier, but I also understand the concern for, if it's in a weird location or some kind of weird event or something. So I kind of want to guess, Don. Yes, I mean, I guess I would, I would be supportive of administrative approval for the kind of approved spaces that are standard or if we have kind of pre-approved some other area for an event. And what kind of pre-approval for an event? Would that be like just something that's voted on at a meeting if just ahead of time, if we know there's an event coming up? Yeah, I mean, I'm just making something up. Let's say, Gabrielle says that there's gonna be an event on the South Amherst Common. And I don't know if we have, I don't think we have pre-approved food trucks spots down there, is that right? So in that case, we say that we approve of short-term food trucks along the side of the South Amherst Common. And then after that, anyone can just go into the, to do an administrative approval. I mean, if that seems too stringent, I guess the question is when do we need to weigh in at all? I don't know what you all think. Yeah, Dylan? I mean, when we wanna just put in something for administrative approvals and somebody's denied that they can appeal and that would just come us and then we could make a decision on that. Yeah, I think that would be fine. Doug? The thing I would say is, one of the places where we as appointed folks have real authority and I think where we wanna weigh in the most is about location. And I think that if we have a defined set of approved locations, we'll probably expand that or review that and maybe just, if that's really the more important question for us to contend with, sometimes, if you think about a particular location, sometimes there are potentially safety concerns or things, but there are things that we as a non-staff body think about regarding the community and that sort of thing. Community and want to yield that authority unnecessarily. At the same time, if we've been okay with the spot, questions of safety and that sort of thing that are better suited to be answered by our police department or fire department, that kind of thing. So I think it's really on that. I think the real question as far as the yielding of administrative is location is the one thing we wanna review or that we want to consider because there's things that we may bring to bear that are different than the office would and that staff would. And so I think that's the piece I think about as far as wanting us to review a little bit. Again, I don't wanna get in the way of things, but at the same time, we've got a fairly extensive process in some respects to sort of get the license the first place and we view the cart and how it fits within spaces and that sort of thing. And we don't have control over the public way. So we can't make decisions about the public way, nor can, I mean, that's purely outside our realm and also outside an administrative thing. So that's the other piece that has to be kind of kept in mind too is that we're only dealing with spaces that are not governed by other bodies like the manager or more importantly, the council. So just a couple of thoughts that we wanna sort of balance I'm all for sort of trying to on short-term licenses, try to allow as much flexibility, but I think there's times when our consideration of the location is important. Now one idea I have, it's kind of a compromise because I think you all make good points is maybe, maybe the administrative approval would only be allowed within, I'm just pulling up a map here within the municipal parking districts, which would just be this area held light in green here, which is really where I think the majority of kind of routine events like the fair or the block party and things like that would happen. And if somebody wanted to do one here or something or I think that would definitely need to go to the board, but I'm gonna think about that kind of expanded common, kind of going with that, the common idea, but expanding a little bit. If I may. Yes. I'm kind of okay with that because I think that's the general downtown area, which is the whole purpose of the municipal district. So I think there's an expectation that there's commercial stuff going on there. I think that's right. I think if you have something were to happen, like let's say, they wanted to have an event at like the high school parking lot, the regional school property there and have several trucks, that kind of thing. We wanna review that, I think you're right. I think in and around that downtown municipal parking just that's clearly an area that's well-defined and also I think sort of expectations and safety questions and those kinds of things are ones that I would agree the municipal staff can make that decision. So I think that's a reasonable compromise. Like when we get outside of that, we start getting to other neighborhoods or the North Amherst kind of common, North Amherst area, because another place you might have this one thing would be in and around the Coles development there. There's the North Amherst school up there in the South Amherst got the common, but you've also got that area around Fomroy and West Street that might invite, because of parking lots are good size around some of those office complexes. I think we'd wanna review that a little bit. So yeah, I think that's a decent compromise. Great. Is that does anyone else have a comment on that? I think that would be fine. Gaston. I'm just looking at, is there any part of this that faces a lot of neighbors? I guess even South Prospect is mostly commercial. Yeah. And I guess I would think that Town Hall will be kind of be responsive to concerns about traffic and things like that. So we, you guys aren't gonna screw that part up, right Steve? I hope not. So I mean, I guess, you know, and that's, I mean, the stretch behind CVS, I just, you know, I think that's probably not a good place. No. So I guess maybe apart from like the leftmost line, it seems pretty good to me. Yeah, I mean, I think it would be fair not to really, maybe to not include the actual boundaries themselves. I mean, the only place looking at this, that I would see where it would be along North Pleasence Street here, but I think that's already defined one of the pre-selected spaces anyway. Yes, it is, yeah. So yeah, I guess we would say it's not exclusive of the boundary, but kind of just within it. If I may. Yep. The other thing I would suggest is that, you know, if we yield this to administrative decision making, the other thing is, you know, I think the other thing that would be important for the staff to know is like, do you think it's kind of iffy that it's fine to bring it to us? That's the other thing. I think that's, you know, if it's, if somebody wants to put one on, like you said on South Prospect Street, you know, or something like that where it's like, hmm, this seems a little dicey. They may not feel the authority to say no and they could bring that to us and we could say no. So I think that, you know, they have the ability within that, in that district to say yes, but they could also say, I'm not sure. Let's take it to the full board. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense Doug. I think that's, I would imagine that's what we would do unless it just, you know, completely doesn't meet requirements. If we weren't comfortable with approving it, we would just probably send to the board instead of just denying them outright. Okay. Yeah, I just don't know if, I mean, you may want to phrase it with may approve, you know, instead of shall approve, you know, that kind of thing so that you have authority to say no, but you also have authority to be like, I don't know, you know, and then kick it to us. I mean. Yeah, I like that. All right. I've noted that down. So one thing I just flagged here is we had talked about laying out dimensions for all of the, all of the spaces. I think that would be a great project to do. I think that would be very time consuming and I wouldn't want that to stop the adoption of regulations overall. So maybe that's something we would just stick as in a to-do list, a wish list at some point, but it would be fantastic to have an appendix of, you know, the spaces, you know, kind of a zoomed in GIS view of the exact dimensions and everything. Okay. And I did add somebody's comment was to petition to use such location during the cycle rather than only on the other locations, rather than only on the renewal. And I spoke to Rob about the butters notice and he had a lot of the same reactions as you did, where in some cases it would be very necessary, but it's also kind of hard to, to understand how it would be practical. And he had a good idea and he kind of just threw this out there. I don't know if it's something he was suggesting necessarily, but an idea throughout was posting some kind of sign at the location for a period of time. And I actually really liked that because the people who are most likely to be bothered by the use would be most likely to see it whether they're driving by or walking by or something. And that would also avoid some of the pitfalls of your butters notice where if it's in front of a huge parcel, you could have people three cores or a mile away getting a notice who wouldn't necessarily have any really care about it. And maybe if we combine that with some kind of provisional approval where if there's any complaints within the first, you know, a few weeks of approval would be reviewed. I think that, yeah, that would be a, I don't know, what does everybody else think? I think it sounds fine. Who say, would it be? Oh yeah, go ahead, Dylan, sorry. Oh yeah, I like that idea. A lot more than a butters notices. I know one of the issues that we run into sometimes with the butters notices as well, as I learned as the planning department decided to change my road from a two way into a one way. A butters notices often let landlords know rather than people who actually live there know. So they end up not doing anyone any good because my landlord doesn't care if the road changes. So you tell somebody we're gonna do that, then they never come to any public meeting and they don't like it when it happens where a sign, that's something that the people who live there will see. I like that idea a lot more. Okay, yeah. Does anyone else have any other thoughts on this? So we're just posted around the neighborhood or within a certain. Well, the nice thing about these all being on the public way is that it's all town owned property. So I wouldn't have to ask any landowners there to use their land. It would be, you know, it was posted right in the side of the road which the town still owns. And I guess we'd have to think about design standards of, you know, how big we want the sign to be out of vision. It's kind of like one of those political signs. Right, yeah. I guess we have to think about how we print those, but. You could have some guy with you on the standard board. Yeah, no, sorry, go ahead. So I think that I think the difficulty is, you know, will it get noticed and will people pay attention to it? In some ways it, I mean, I kind of have jokingly offered this, but it's like, if you have a large box that's painted and sort of sets in the space. So it gives a visual of sort of, you know, the occupation of that space for that purpose kind of thing, you know, and then on the side of it, it says, oh, please contact town hall. You know, we're considering the site for, you know, the Lava use, you know, for food truck or mobile food establishment use. Few questions or concerns call and then put the, you know, the steep number of mine. But I think that, you know, that if you just put a sign, you know, people are really good at not looking at signs, you know, because there's so much visual clutter around. But I think something that kind of gives a sense of space might also be helpful. And I'm not saying we need to construct, you know, anything sort of terrific or anything like that. But I think thinking in terms of something of that sort to sort of mark off and kind of identify a little more, in a more pronounced way than just a sign would do, kind of gives a little visual for folks as well that might prompt them to call. So just an idea. And the ad should not just be about concerns, but should solicit people who are happy to have them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think we want to put a link to the meeting or at least a time of date if we go back in person, but information about the meeting so people could attend with positive or negative or send feedback to my email if they'd rather not attend, make it easy for them. Maybe even some kind of QR code or something if we can get fancy, but. Yeah, I would suggest a generic email as opposed to your actual working email. So that way, can you get monitored by more than one person, but be just so you didn't, then suddenly don't get, you know, 900 emails at 1 a.m. Some Sunday morning that you really don't want. Right. People voting for a hot dog cart in just the right location at 1.30 a.m. on real access to the democracy in action. Yeah. All right, well, if people are in favor of that, I can try to come up with some design standards. I think we obviously want to put the cost on the applicants and the response would put it on the applicants, put it there on the applicants and Hallie. I was just going to say, it would be nice if we just kind of had some signs for the applicant because I feel like, you know, I would, I just look at someone opening, trying to open a business here. And I think having to then produce specific signs and everything, I think it could be a deterrent to coming into town. So I don't know if we easily have, you know, food truck coming with the QR code, scan for more details. Yeah, I mean, I could probably produce a, I know we can produce 11 by 17 laminated paper here. So maybe we can just try to get them to a fix that too. I mean, we have a million of those, you know, political style signs in the back that they've confiscated from illegal places. I don't know if we can go around and use those for our own ends. But yeah, I understand what you mean. I mean, maybe at the very least we provide, we provide the, yeah, laminated sheet that they can attach to both sides and they'll just have to find a sign sticking the ground somewhere. I mean, we could just have a sign that can be written on with marker where the stuff you need, the permanent stuff like a QR code that links to where somebody can find our meetings, something like that. And they write, there will be a write it in kind of thing. If we really just want, you know, a sign to exist that we can put around the place rather than have a new one made every time with a new QR code, we want to go. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think we do want to, yeah, keep it as low cost as possible. And we don't really have any budget for signs. I mean, we can certainly use our existing printing supplies as creatively as we need to. It's kind of where I was thinking that laminated 11 by 17. But we'll just raise the fee to cover the cost, Steve. That's true. We can always do that. All right, well, if we seem generally in favor of that, I will take those notices to heart and think of a way, or those that feedback to heart and think of a way we can do that. So for the parking, I did speak to the collector and the finance director and they were pretty open-minded about the whole thing. They were pretty flexible. I mean, they said that they actually suggested, you know, even letting the people, you know, rent the bags you put over the parking meters, which I was surprised. I guess they do that for the church downtown and the funeral home as well. They have a few kind of permanently on rent for their events there. And I think, you know, I did want to present that, you know, see what you guys think about that. I mean, what I wrote here was they were also open to feeding the meter or, you know, making some kind of arrangement with them for a prepaid monthly or weekly or even yearly pass. And they were kind of thinking more in the state of mind of reserving the spot, which I really try to, I really lean against because I think it could just lead to some problems as we discussed before about people competing over spaces or not using them things. So I kind of came up with here as, and I also mentioned the tow vehicles that they'd be exempt from the normal time limitations but they must pay all applicable fees during enforcement hours. They can choose to feed the meter as they operate or they can contact the collector's office for a weekly month through annual prepaid parking permit. I guess we'd want daily in there too, right? You really didn't want to feed the meter, but what do you think about that? I think that'll work. Yeah, I think that's good. Let's see, make contact with them. Okay, yeah, that looks good. Okay, good. And with that, I kind of also put that they would just try to maintain a minimum spacing of no more than 10 feet in the front or rear bumper of other lunch carts or other vehicles. Other vehicles. I know we have to kind of have to have three spaces thing, but I think with the different sizes of different vehicles, that's kind of a good rule of thumb, especially if you're at some kind of event, that makes sense. Yep. I know we had a long conversation about the availability section here, how the licensees should strive to treat other licensees. I know what you were saying. We didn't want to really get into reserving the spaces too much, but we wanted to put something in there. So, but respecting the other licensees, this is what I came up with. I think it could probably be improved, but. I think that's good. Should we refer them back to the board or your office in case of massive dispute or something like that? Well, I don't really know what we can. Can you do anything about it? Yeah, well, we could do under these regulations if we're not allowing people to reserve them, but I don't know if we really want the board. I certainly don't want to be adjudicating. No, I guess you would. Those types of things. Would we do that? Or somebody takes the full awful guys launch card space or sidewalk space? Yeah, Doug, the thing that's going to happen is that, you know, if someone gets their first to get their first, that's just, you know, the deal. And I think the thing is, is that what will unfortunately more likely happen is if someone's, you know, going to disagree vehemently with the person that got their first, you know, the police are likely to get involved or any of the rest of us get involved. Okay. Because I think that'll be, you know, either be a circumstance where, you know, it'll be a sufficient conflict that like someone else or someone in the conflict calls and the police come and say, all right, here's the deal. And they, you know, we just need to make sure the police know that it's a first come, first serve thing. There's no guarantee. So, you know, if you get their second, you're out of luck. If you leave and somebody jumps in while you're gone, that's also you're out of luck. But I think that, you know, I mean, I think if it becomes a thing, we'll then think about modifier regulations. That's the other piece, I think. Okay, sounds good. That would probably be a good dispute for the community responders to handle too. Absolutely, yes. I did add pollution mitigation and air and electric batteries and did put in the reference to the bylaws about the styrofoam and single use plastic bag. That was a good suggestion. Okay, great. With our discussion with this, I think this is what has been suggested last time. Although Rob, Rob kind of recommended against adopting this and suggested either not putting a limitation or just setting it, you know, kind of higher or whatever the board thinks appropriate. But he also reminded that the nice thing about regulation as opposed to law is you can just change it with a public hearing. And if things started really getting out of hand, it probably wouldn't be something that happened overnight. It would be kind of a flow and we could just amend the regulations as they come. So I had put this in there. I didn't really like that very much, but I tried to reflect what was said. I didn't like my formulation of it anyway, but what do you guys think? Yep, Gaston. I mean, I would be fine putting a period after licenses and dropping everything after the colon. I mean, I would be fine stopping there myself, I think. Yeah, that looks, that wouldn't be fine with me too. Is this the most responsibility? Yeah. I would just want to, I think add here in section 11 that the police chief and his doesn't, these would be enforcement agents, these regulations and just add the, there was a great point whoever pointed out last time that the, that you can't really do anything about this to somebody who doesn't have the license. You can't revoke the license they don't have. So we'd add just, I think it, the language is already in the bylaw, but just with the non-criminal disposition and the fees, I think there's some kind of spoiler plate in there. So we'll get that in there. Okay, great. That's it. That's it? Good. I think this is in good shape. Yeah, it looks great. I think these and the alcohol rags are pretty much ready for a public hearing. Okay, great. So when do we do that? Do we need to do one more draft, like go over this again or? I mean, if you guys are comfortable with it, I can try to send along the completed drafts of both next week to you guys. And then our next meeting would be the 29th. And if you're happy with them, then we could just notice for a public hearing and try to adopt them then. Good. Yeah, I think that sounds good. Are we, are we definitely, we're meeting on the, so are we meeting on the 29th and we're also meeting a week later on the 6th? So to accommodate the Gabrielle's application for the same thing in the comma, we would have to meet in the 29th. The 29th, okay. Yeah, sure. Yeah, that would be fine. Is everyone fine with that? Yes, okay. Great. All right, so I will make a note to get those out to you by next Wednesday. So you have time to fully review them and give any last feedback. And if we have any comments, I can just try to send them around. Any last comments. And then if everybody's happy with them, I'll put them in a form to be adopted and notice it for the next meeting. Super, that would be great. Thank you so much. You look really good. Okay, so license fee comparison. Steve, you said that is also, we're gonna do that next time. Yeah, I did have a little bit of a conversation with the finance director about that. Okay. He had a bunch of really good questions about how many licenses or we shouldn't use the comparison communities and the proportion of tax-exempt housing Amherst has compared to others and what guidance there is about what the liquor license fee should reflect. And I wanted to take some time to get some good answers for him because he posed some questions. So I had another chance to get back to him about that yet. Okay, great. Thank you. I can send those along to you, Gaston, if you have anything that you just picked up. I mean, I plan to do some research into that, but if there's anything to offer, yeah. Sure, send it over. Let me see how I can help. You didn't send it yet, right? No, no, no. No, no, I had. Yeah, okay. Good, yeah, yes. I'll have you to take a look. I should have some time next week to do some more research on that, but if you had anything handy from your intervention. Yeah, yeah. Let me see the questions and see if I know anything. Definitely. Okay. And then guidelines, regulations for liquor licenses, and you said that's in your process too? Yeah, I think we were pretty much in agreement with everything when we reviewed it last week. We had a few comments, but everybody was pretty happy with it. I didn't get a chance to actually put it into a nice formatted arrangement, but I think that that's pretty much all our remains with that before we adopt them, so. Okay, great. So is there, we have a question on either of those? No? Okay. So under topics, not reasonably anticipated, 40 hours prior to the meeting, doesn't anyone have anything unanticipated? If not, let's just do a little, oh, sorry, Dylan, did you- I'm sorry, were we going on to what we were talking about before on items? Oh yeah, we're gonna talk about items now. So the next meeting is the 29th, is that right? And that is, we have Gabrielle's license, and then we're doing the lunch cart and the lunch cart at that meeting. And then should we space that out a little bit? And then on the sixth, do license, which one was it? Guidelines for regulations for liquor licenses. We have something ready by then. I think we could probably have the lunch cart. And if we do feel, my plan is that I can probably get by Wednesday or Thursday to you next week, I can get the, like a semi-final draft of the liquor license guidelines and the lunch cart regs to you. And we can send them around just for any last comments. And if everybody approves, then we could, I think probably hold a public hearing for both of them on the 29th, along with the Gabrielle's application and whatever else comes in. The liquor license regs, all right. And then, so the sixth, then we do license fee comparison, is that right? Just so that Gaston knows. Yeah, but just, I mean, do you all agree with the idea of trying to kind of plan out the topics? Does that sound good to everybody? Yeah, okay, all right. So, all right. Yeah, I thought it was a great idea. I think that's good. So we'll think maybe on the sixth, we'll do license fee comparison. And you said rental registration would and would follow after that. And adult use marijuana is a much longer because of what's going on with the host community agreements. That would be not, maybe not for a couple more weeks, or a couple more weeks. Yeah, I think, yeah, I'd like to really focus on those. And I think that it would be good to get these other two that are pretty much done out of the way. Okay, license fee is on the sixth. Okay, great. My time has been a bit limited. One of the people I work with at the front of the counter just had a baby boy on Monday. So we're happy for her, but. Oh, great. I've been running up and down a little bit more, so. I'm sure. Yeah. Okay, great. Doug, yeah. Just one quick thing. Alyssa Brewer sent out to, I think, most of us a little thing about meeting yesterday for, I tried to join, it was on a marijuana regulation stuff that the state level and progress. And part was about one of the key discussion points relative to allowing marijuana recreational and otherwise was about building equity in that business area relative to the graphics of who's been penalized by that over the years. I was not able to attend. I wasn't, I was able to get to the site and it was quote unquote sold out because it was free, but they had a limited number of seats. On the group, we get a chance to participate or see that at all. No, I didn't get a chance. Okay. I was just curious if anybody had seen it and whether they had any info on it. But if that, if not. Alyssa, you know, I wrote her back just to thank her. I wish her well. And she replied that she had attended for at least part of it and it turned out being pretty much geared towards applicants and not really municipal at all. So I don't think we probably missed much. All right. So do they post video transcripts of their meetings? Do you know, Steve? I don't know actually. Yeah. I was just wondering. Gaston. I guess a matter that I, to raise, I noticed someone kind of with a blanket and selling a bunch of things by the Unitarian church. And I guess I don't know whether is there any, what are the, is there a license for selling stuff in town or not? My concern was this. I mean, I think it's actually, I think I see it as a positive. But I guess I wouldn't want to have people get harassed by the police. And so I don't know if we have or want to have a license. But as I was kind of contemplating it, it occurred to me that if we did want to have a license that in effect we could have the, you know, the police could be prepared to give the license on the spot instead of harassing them. I don't know. I don't know if anyone, what's the background on people just setting up to sell stuff in town? What are the rules and any background on that? We do have a, we do have a document about that. It's, it's kind of actually surprisingly unregulated. I think compared to some of the other things we do. It's under the hawkers and peddlers regulations. I will try to pull them up really quickly. And that's something that they can just come in and get at the office, right? They don't really need to, they need to provide us with a, I think they're a license at some point, but they don't ever have to actually get, they're state hawkers and peddlers license. Oh, state license, okay. But they don't have to get a license or anything, which kind of surprised me. But. And there's no restrictions on their use of the public way? No, not really. I mean, a little bit, leave the sidewalk clear, I think. I'm trying to pull up here. I have them. So the hawkers and peddlers license, both covers kind of door-to-door, or really any traveling salesmen, including door-to-door and things like that. I guess not heating oil dealers, but you can tell it's one of these weird, really old laws where they cannot sell small artificial flowers and miniature flags and things like this. So this is all state law of this part. And then there are Amherst regulations here. So this is really the only thing that's controlling with that type of activity. So I guess I take it that if there were complaints or an officer's walking down and asks, engages the seller, the hawker, the question is, do you have the state license? Is that the idea? I don't know if they really ever do interact with those people, but I guess that would be the question. Yeah, they don't really need any documents in the town of Amherst. Okay, well, I mean, I'm not trying to create an issue where there isn't one. I was just, so I'm glad we reviewed this. Thank you. Okay, any other topics, unanticipated topics? No, okay, review of minutes. We don't have, we're in minutes, right? No. Okay, and our next meeting is the 29th, where we will be approving Gabrielle's license and hopefully the lunch carts and the liquor license regulations. That would be exciting. Is there anything else? No. Okay, is there a motion to adjourn? So moved. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? There you go. Thanks, Dylan. Take a quote out of here. Dylan. Hi. Doug. Hi. Hallie. Hi. Gaston. Hi. At I vote I, five to zero, we're adjourned at 5.59 p.m. and thanks everybody. See you on the 29th. Dylan. Or at the block party. Oh yeah, the block party. My kids don't want parents around for that. Yeah. Kiss them off. No, I'm embarrassing, I'm embarrassing. I'll be there around seven-ish if any of you guys are there. I'd love to see you out. Okay. How long does that go? I think not. Till nine. Oh really? Till nine. All right. I'll see you later. Bye.