 So we had the embedded world 2018 and who are you my name is over copper and I'm from micro control and So what kind of products do you do? We are doing products around Typical industrial area But this is a wide area especially if you have a look in our products you would see they are used in avionics in medical systems in Military applications and for us products They need to be precise Fast reliable robust. These are the major keywords we Need for our products. So it looks maybe something like this up there This kind of product there. Is it what this is? Yes, right is for this Module here is an analog output module with four channels and it's connected to the can bus And it runs via can open or any other higher layer can protocol Yeah, sure, it's a steam 32 so What does it do the chip set what software is it running? Oh it's the code itself it's written in in C code and We have a can open protocol stack inside that because we're using bus systems And we're putting out the data via the analog channels of the SDM 32 and this device like this also What does this one do? this one is a customer project and We did this for a customer who has an encoder application and he wanted to have three additional analog input channels which are fast sophisticated robust in his application and So we did this customer module and so have you been working as a company with ST for a long time? Yeah, now I think for more than 20 years already. So Why do you work with ST? What's special about I think very special for ST is they have free liable products They're I would say very sophisticated easy to understand and for us especially important is the long-term availability and Additionally, I can say since we switched to STM 32 family. We're quite happy with that because we have Pin compatibility throughout the family and this is very very important for us So then you can consider updating or upgrading to a new one or yeah, I mean I mean even even when the customer comes along and says well, I've got a price sensitive product We can say okay We can downsize it and take a chip from the ST family Which has not such a high price or even if we have applications which demand higher data throughput Then we can select a chip which has these features for example cortex and 4 and 7 and so these are kind of like hard loops the devices and this this is an example of Is this an old one? This is quite an old wine. I think we did that 15 years ago and This was for a customer project where we did something concerning a server drive So I guess it's not used any longer for new applications. However, it's still available and that's the good thing working It's still yeah, sure. That's still working. There's all these other kinds of devices right here And so the embedded world is important for your company. Yeah, sure I mean the embedded is important for us as well as the SPS IPC drives And so where are you based? We are based in Germany and a city called Troystorf That's just in the middle between Cologne and Bonn