 Hey everyone, welcome back. I am so glad you're here because this one is special. So special that I'm just gonna let it play uninterrupted without comment after I give you a quick setup. I cannot believe this was allowed to happen on MSNBC and for once it left me feeling a little hopeful. Joe Scarborough hosted an interview that included Mehdi Hassan who is one of MSNBC's most far far-left racially paranoid psychotic hosts and a guy named Shadi Hamid who is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute, a professor at Fuller Seminary and a writer for the Atlantic. They argue about the so-called threat to democracy and amazingly Shadi Hamid brings up some points that I regularly talk about on this channel. Hassan's responses are so predictable and obviously flawed. Enjoy. Would be very upset being called authoritarian but you're calling Trump authoritarian so let's agree he is something that is not normal he's a threat to democracy he's not just anti-immigration Shadi he wanted to build a moat put alligators in it and shoot immigrants in the legs if that is not fascism I don't know what is. Okay I didn't hear about the alligator thing Mehdi but if you just if I can just finish the thought here look the danger is when you okay I would just want to put the question back to you Mehdi what are you actually suggesting we do if Trump wins fair and square let's forget about any like foul play or anything like that if he wins in 2024 what are you going to do are you going to respect that result. I mean I don't accept the premise of your question if he wins in 2024 let's forget the foul play how can I forget the foul play when right now the Republican party is trying to change and state the rules voting rules Shadi right now they are taking steps to make sure that the 2024 election is not a free and fair election you keep well this is concerning Mehdi you're not willing to accept that outcome then that's concerning to me I'm not hold on hold on I'm I'm willing to accept an outcome of a free and fair election Shadi as of right now I'm sorry I have to stop I promise I wouldn't but look it's just different when he does it do you believe the 2024 election will be a free and fair election if black people are denied the right to vote if there is racist gerrymandering right to vote the first time black people have been the vote has been taken away from them I mean this is very this is exaggerated rhetoric that is that it's raising the existential stakes and what I would like each of us to do you're not willing to do that do you not think our democracy is under threat this is a very simple question you think that election work is being harassed trying to overturn elections death threats to election officials changing of voting laws disenfranchisement of people in florida you think none of that is affecting the free and fair election in 2024 seriously but the other side of it is that when you raise the specter of fascist threat can I just let this one party is trying to overturn democracy right now please stop the politicizing okay when you raise the specter of a fascist threat it justifies taking extraordinary measures to suppress that threat and that's why sometimes people like the idea of suppressing democracy in order to save it we think that so much is at stake that we have to do anything it takes to prevent trump or any or someone like him from winning in 2024 that can lead to overreach I worry your rhetoric can lead us to do things we shouldn't do in a democratic context and for us as liberals to go too far into demonizing our opponents and and the other side that is not sustainable in a democracy we're gonna we're gonna have to leave it here right he says he wants to keep democracy but also stop mentioning that there's another side because there's only one side according to Hassan it's pretty wild how he just lists off a bunch of mostly unsubstantiated conspiracy theories to justify his position that him regarding the election is stolen or saying that it might be stolen that's completely different and it's not election denial because when he does it it's real because he believes it is like when he says that black people are being denied the right to vote and then points to Georgia as proof of his conspiracy theory but they're having record voter turnout there and I'm sorry Trump can't just be an authoritarian to be an authoritarian you need some sort of like institutional support base he already doesn't have the media which he would definitely need currently the Democrats and Joe Biden have all the power with a mass media that acts as an extension of the party instead of holding them accountable protecting them from accountability sounds pretty authoritarian anyway that was a great segment good on Shadi Hameed for bringing up these points because absolutely nobody else in the media is doing so and it's actually quite important that we do it because just like he said if they believe the rhetoric that they're spewing here and have been spewing for the last couple years if the midterms don't go the way Democrats went to and then the 2024 election also doesn't go the way they want to do you think that they're just going to let that go not for a moment I've said over and over since the 2000 election that Democrats are the ones who started election denial and using violence in response and up until 2020 the Republicans have never done it so basically they escalated it if you don't think that the Democrats are going to escalate it even further after their next election loss you're kidding yourself because all this rhetoric that we're hearing is being done for a reason it's being done to justify their actions just like Hameed pointed out here anyway go over to his twitter check him out and make sure to hit that like button share and subscribe thanks for watching