 And we're back with the breakfast and plus TV Africa our guests will be joining us this morning. Dr. T Maybe one do who was a public health expert We'll be talking held and you know the issues that were faced with and how they impact in us However, some psychiatrists in the health sector have lamented the negative impact of the current scarcity of the narrow nodes on the mental health of Nigerians now according to them the development is Negatively affecting the mental health of the people and making some of them more vulnerable to mental health condition the vice-president Association of psychiatrists of Nigeria Dr. Veronica said that the scarcity of the note had Contributed to the existing mental health instability in the country. She also said the pattern had brought many to a verge of Developing psychiatric problems. She said the denier scarcity had also made those who were vulnerable to mental health issues to Totally developmental health disorder and while orders are not vulnerable. We're also being put at rakes and doctor Two years also joining us this morning To make sense of all of that. I mean some persons have been say this reported that patients are increasingly Denied access to care at health facilities as many of the facilities operate mainly on Cache systems or have poor e-payments system. This facility is turned down Transfers insisting on cash payment before attending to patients Dr. Two years good to have you join us. Good morning Yes, we're having narrow but I think we also look at having health which is very important because they say Health is wealth, but maybe we can domesticate that to say health is naira and that's what you you're welcome So I'd like to share your thoughts How do you feel about you know this report that we're getting from the medical Sector especially the mental health practitioners and also all the sectors of our health system Well of your it's quite obvious that we are understanding the extent of damages Of the populace We understand the damage of the psyche and the confidence of the populace We also understand the damage invariably to our economy to our country and to the youth especially so Now let's put it to the context For a long time Bomet has been who's in what I would call a mass psychosis in mind manipulation The killing of thinking it is sort of meant to fight On people that let's let's let's take it. We're just expecting for COVID-19 I would tell that well, we can get along and manage our lives There are a lot of behold If a policy they have the economy challenges, you know, it's not there and then just on workers who go make use to or warehouse all our money and take away the capacity to negotiate the capacity to For most such way that you wake up every day You are the question inside the corner in your house or you are working for work you to another queue And then how would that lead to through the mental health of people when you when you impose such Suggest and toxic measures on people the first casualty in their mental state First of all the domino thought your mind would be how to escape from that How do we escape from this in the presence of trying to escape from that? There have been drastic measures Valets You could trigger drug use to trigger depression and it was society ideation. So You see the whole spectrum of what a policy Not probably taught that the government can do to person and I would give it a clear example Yes, if not for the fact that The crisis the world known person Who came I wonder as I thought that it would get a fast It couldn't transform money He couldn't pay and the wife is to have a baby if I see us issue, you know, but of course You have to be spliced first after the future is to be loud. You want to live on the baby and People up to down Many things have done It holds me to look for where to get money down and What's the matter? Of course you need to pick materials from Of the market from the suppliers and they also say that is we don't have cash We don't have cash to be able to run out by our fear They can't run out. You know, we need cash to do this Give us cash. That is how the taxing effect of this bad government policy Is affected Okay, doc apart from the you know, the mental health aspect of it We look at also access to medical Care, you know, without cash This is a challenge. I personally have faced this Particular teaching hospital, I wouldn't name a number of times I had to you know Take someone a family member close family member there Wasn't able to access care at an accident and emergency ward because I didn't have cash The POS was not working. They didn't have they could not use it And I had to go very far while the patient was was waiting from a stroke To be attended to because I need to look for the nearest ATM to be able to withdraw cash Now if this is still playing out in public health facilities, let's not even talk about the private ones It therefore means that people will be finding it difficult to You know to stay alive and why is this the case till now and what do you think should be done about this? Well, it's a very sad situation honestly, we should all gloss over this thing and for me Maybe not to talk the political aspect of it. Let me talk the health aspect and a nation where just about 40 cents In nation where night mother 90% of people for health care services is out of pocket expenses Okay, that would have to put your heart in your pocket and bring out a bigger money In nation whereby trust level is so diminished where clients escape from the even the centers In those days when There was no this Constraint cash policies in a show where You have to go all the way food if we need to resolve should say the body I don't get just this in a show whereby you would start back after that apple Apple the identity is running but then it is card in our And then we're looking we usually use money to save a lot of people so How do you know it's one of the first casualty of this my desk policy The part that is key Access to health like really pointed out that I've illustrated with required people for the part that That's our relationship to for now So access to health is a big issue Access to health is further compromised Because at the end of the day the moon demand that has money It's not getting the money transferred It doesn't I want to fight from And then All right, doctor to you we have to go now but in less than a minute I'd like you to to speak to other health concerns that probably Might be associated with you know, the nurse custody We know the psychiatrists That is a it's a huge logistic Work, you know You need to run up to that You know, so I have such a mindset you need to do drugs supply. Okay Quite a lot of it. You need to transport patients from here to the other All this is a capital issues. You need to get blood and get it close to So I think we need to On time need to run up the lab side lab studies that you have to deliver Your results are perfectly And then um, there are a lot of It's just this very health server health Where nationwide all those that are constrained all those that are not available And then at the end of the day what is this that does that because they are classified in loss Both not just economic loss. There's also loss that's on human life until patient I'm sure it's good All right, doctor to you. Maybe I want to we have to go now. Thank you so much for joining us this morning on the breakfast I mean, we look forward to showing your thoughts on all the health concerns as we proceed in 2023 Wow a lot going on and massive. We've heard of stories of of uh, in people passing on in uh, recently in uh, I think it was in In in Talduna state and pregnant woman passed on because they didn't have a cash You know, there was no peers around them. They were not accepting transfer. It's really sad needless deaths Um, please whatever I do to stay safe out there. We pray the situation gets better But uh, that's the size of our package being formed. You can follow us. So on our social media platforms Plus tv africa on facebook twitter instagram and indeed aware on youtube at plus tv africa And the plus tv africa lifestyle and also check out our website as well for the latest news and information My name is kofi bartel and I am messy before we join the newsroom at nine o'clock for the news brief Let's stay with us. Good morning