 Ya, hei. Um, then this other one's Yoni Jinaa. Okay. Sylvia Ru. I don't know the name. It's good to take gifts as long as we see a daily theme for relationships still following. Nicheze, in case you don't know, ya nyash na jik. Still waiting for the hip-hop hour. Do your best over there DJ Lili. Russian. Aha, so those are your comments. Thank you so much. Keep sending them in. Badu chande, la puzi, sama. So, right now in studio with me I have a fashion designer. Very talented. I get so excited when we have fashion designers on set because the creativity is just amazing. So I will introduce this guy. He will tell us what he does just for a short time. And then we will sample his work and then continue with the interview. So how are you? I'm very good. So can you introduce yourself, Utwambia, what you do? Sure, sure I can. My full names that are on the IDR Davis Olajuoma. But I'm well known as the fashion doctor. Ya. And our hospital is known as Nicheze Collections. And the doctor is here himself. Ya, we deal with ladies and gents suits. And also Ankara of both men and women. And also the senator suits. Well dressed and well known. Senator suits are the ones that are well dressed and well known. The origin of senator suits originated from Nigeria. It was first worn by a senator in Nigeria. Then it was well known after it was worn by the president back then in Nigeria. Who now popularized it. That's why it was called senator suits. So do you have one of that today? We don't have one of it today. That's tenita suits. Definitely. So that's basically what we do. And we basically deal with more custom made outfits. That's what we do in our daily basis. And ya, anyone who seek fashion wise can come to a hospital. Come to the hospital. Yes, yes. So we want to see you work first of all before we go on. And I'd like to ask the models just to come in and showcase what you've got. Sure. And then maybe you can just explain what is going on every design. So there are the models. So you can just continue. So this is sleeveless lady suits. Which is well done by either a pull neck or a long sleeved top attire. Which is well done by a material well done trousers. High waist trousers for the ladies. This is a maroon one which well matches with the golden and the brown. And the first rule of fashion is that you must not do more, exit more than three colors. Ya. So for the ladies you see we have this goldish sleeveless which goes well with the brown. It's so much completes the brown. The black top. Black is a neutral color. It can go with anything. So this is a maroon trousers. Can go so well with the oxode shoes. Which we did this. This is our work from our hospital. We did it with the doctor Hemoselofo. Ya. So ya that's it. Ya. Lovely. So right there. That's a lady's top Ankara. Which has its own belt here. Which complements. You know for ladies what we advise them. You know we also do advices for fashion. Ya. One thing that we advise them is that you must dress according to your body. Ya. Ya see. Like for instance this outfit is well done for people who have at least a big bodied kidogo. Ya. And there are people who are big bodied but here at Mishizia collection we make sure that we can dress you. You can look nice however your body size. Ya. So this belt is to complete the attire so that it doesn't look so free. Ya. But when you remove the belt you can still have it. Have the attire. Do it when you can do the attire. When you still for instance maybe is a pregnant woman you can still do the attire that way. Ya. But if you well comfortably not any struggle. Ya. So the orange Ankara completes so well with the white. Ya. So orange completes so well with the white. Ya. And two to a wider Mishizia collection will do a very nice navy blue high heel which has completed the attire itself. Ya. Ya. I like that one. Thank you so much. Ya. Beautiful stuff. Thank you so much. You also need to visit one of these families. Ya. So that we can make sure we deal with all your diseases fashion wise. Yes. Yes. So this is a Jansuit. This is a navy blue. Navy blue navy blue suit with the pink. Like I told you earlier on is that the first rule of fashion is that you must not exit three colors. However the colors you want to do play with at least three colors. Sawa sawa. So we have the navy blue suit which is there. We have the two piece which is the navy blue which is the coat and the trousers. Then we have the waist coat which is pink which has been well completed and complemented with the tie. Which the men who are not well conversant in making ties so this is called Spanish style. This is Spanish as you can see here clearly for viewers to see well this is Spanish style. And for a suit if you do the lapels too much lapel you make sure you don't do the pocket square. So that you don't do so much of the accessories. So much details. Thank you so much. So as you can see the pink has complemented the pink waistcoat and the light blue sky blue. Very true. It depends on how you play along with the colors because you can do some pinks which are going to not do so well with you. So this is a sky blue shirt which definitely does well with the navy blue suit. Ya as you can see these are men's whatever you want a slim fit suit which does so well. Again when it comes to body size suits we have to do it according to your body size. We can just do a suit for your slim fit suit which does not complement your body. We have to be so precise with the body factor. Ya. Yes, yes. To our Jens Mishaskia. Ya boy shawas. Boy shawas. Yes yes. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. So you're talking about so much about complementing body so that means what is the difference. I just want to ask what is the difference between a fashion designer and a stylist. A designer and a stylist. The difference between a designer and a stylist. A designer he does both works. First beginning from making the outfit and also styling the outfit. So the designer does both the custom or the sewing part and also the styling part. But a stylist only specifically deals with making sure on how your style looks like. Can advise you what are you going to dress this and this. This will match and this and this will match. But the designer does the whole package. The whole package of mending the outfit or if not mending bringing the outfit to you. So he does the full package telling you this and this are going to do so well. This and this are not going to work so well with you. But a stylist specifically deals on advising you what to wear. What to wear. Correct. So I just want to release our models so that we can go have a change of clothes. Okay thank you so much. Thank you so much. So which one are you? Both or just this? Which one am I? I'm a designer and a stylist. Can you be one? I can't be one because we are falling short of both. What do you mean we are falling short of both? Because let me just allow me to use the hospital. We go to the hospital. We don't go to be treated specifically for certain diseases. They treat everything. We go for full check up. So we call ourselves, I think we are lucky to call ourselves the only fashion hospital in Kenya. Do we say? Okay I'm telling you. So when you come to a hospital you must get the full package of treatment. So that's why we decided to have the full package of both the designing and the stylist part of it. So that's why you have to do all of them. Because you have many clients who come to us. Some of them don't know what to wear or what to do well with what to do. So you have to give them all of that because they've come to your hospital to get full treatment. But you know in this, in our country even in my perception only celebrities have stylist. It's very hard to maintain like a fashion designer I go get my dress and everything and then still maintain someone who constantly advises me on what to wear. So how do you go about that? If I'm just a normal person I have this amount of money for my suits or for my Ankara or whatever but I still want that advice. But I don't have so much money to get that advice on a constant basis. So first of all I'd like to applaud the fact that you've said in Kenya right now it's so hard to find a normal person. Someone who is in the normal class of a normal citizen to afford a designer, a stylist, a permanent stylist and also a designer at the same time. But what we do ourselves is when you come to our hospital to be treated fashion-wise we have to make sure that we treat you in line because we can't give you a half package. That's why I told you we do both. Designing stylist, we don't charge for stylist. When you come to get our commodities and outfits we will not charge you for the stylist aspect of it. We will come, we will give you free fashion advice, free of charge. The consultation is very much free. I'm planning to. I'm doing a consultation already. So who are your clients mostly? Mostly we don't, basically my dream when we done this work for instance is to deal with every kind of persons both lower class, middle class and the high class. So to answer your question is that everyone is our client from low to middle and high class because in our collection shop we don't limit ourselves to certain classes of people you see because you see the people that you might look down to whether people are going to take your collection and your business into another level so we don't limit ourselves to certain classes or certain rigid class of people. No, no, no. We have everyone as long as you get into our door we will serve you. So every class of persons we do serve them. That's good news, that's some good news. I'd like you to give us a range of prices for the suits, for the Ankara. Like how much, if I wanted to get maybe for example the suit I was just here. How much money do I need? So we have a wide range so the ranges of the suit are from $6500 to $40,000 depending on the material. Wow, $40,000? Depending on the material. She thought it was like pizza. So let me explain to her, she might not really understand. The $40,000 is not for the designer to go in pocket. The $40,000 for the sake of the materials and also the design. For instance the materials which go per meter, they charge you for a meter of that material which costs $40,000 the full attire. Here it charges like $6000 or $10,000 per meter for instance. And you need like three to four meters to be a suit for a guy. So how much are we going to charge you then? That's a lot of money. So you see we've not even bought the inner finishes, we've not done the finishes itself. So at the end of the day you find in the pricing and the planning of everything from the process number one to the last one you must be accountable for every coin. Meaning that you must have a very fair and moderate pricing. In fact we are very, we are very much accountable. The same suit that will charge you $40,000. I don't want to mention names. If you walk to some of the established collections and designer shops, you'll find them going up to a million. There's a shop here charging a suit $1 million. And it is so much when they give the factual facts of making the outfit. The breakdown of everything. So it all depends on the material and the designs. Is this inclusive of accessories like the lapels, the pocket square? It includes the accessories. The lapel, tie, pocket square. You are such a suit. It makes a million. Why would you wear such a suit? You will wear such a suit because of the level that you are in in a society. I think I'd wear it on our encounter. And I know I'm going to receive an award. You see, for instance, if we take a very good example of someone like a great president, he doesn't just wear cheap suits because he's the public figure. The main figure of Kenya. Wherever he goes, people look up to him as Kenya. So he must dress to a certain standard. For instance, someone like a high-notch lawyer like my good cousin Orango, he must make sure that he does this a very excellent suit. So you will wear that kind of an expensive suit because of your level of class in the society. Number two, your nature of work. There are people whom their nature of work does not allow them to do simple or cheap suits. Simple suits. And you can tell a cheap suit. Ya, you can tell. I can tell. If someone works in here, I can tell you the work place of that suit. I know I also think a suit is a suit. Maybe we don't. I think it's the same thing that happens to ladies. I can tell that, that pair of shoes. You know the red bottoms, I can tell that's an expensive pair of shoes. So maybe from a lady's perspective, we would not really understand whether a suit is expensive. But the guys and everyone here. So who is that one person that you look up to in terms of what you do in your work? Internationally or maybe just locally? First of all, I love respecting whom. I really honour the great designers who came before me. The likes of Vince Cleese, wherever you are bro, big up. That guy, he's been my mentor for a while now. We have Braio. The guy did his Kichuro science profession which is of brilliant months to do design, to focus on design. The likes of Nimrodnik, big up bro. The likes of many more Mr. Royalty in Kenya were many more designers who were really working so hard to take the fashion and design industry in Kenya to another level. So in Kenya, the one person who really motivates me and mentors me is Vince Cleese. Internationally, I told you I'm proud to be African. I'm so proud to be African. So my mentors are African purely. Internationally, he's from South Africa. He's called Menzi Makon. He's a very great guy. Go check out his outfits. That guy is a designer of another level. He's a designer of another level. So basically that's it. I have two main mentors. We have Menzi Menclown. Then we have No. 2 Vince Cleese from Kenya. So this is something that you should not study for professionally. You studied low. How do those things work? Like it's something on two different worlds. Yeah, true that. First of all, one thing I want you to understand is that we have two, in a human being's life, we have two areas of specialization. We have the professional part of specialization and the passionate part of specialization. So on my passionate side of specialization from the day I was born, from the day I was a kid, I loved looking nice. I would do whatever it takes to just look outstanding and nice. So I grew up loving fashion and I'm so grateful to my mum wherever you are, mum, I love you so much. I'm so grateful to her because she's the one who holds my arm to this industry. So she didn't know I'm sorry. She didn't know that she was holding my hand to the next level in this industry. So slowly by slowly, slowly by slowly, before I knew it, here we are now, all the other is history and not under the bridge. So there are so many designers out there. What would make me decide that I don't want all these other designers. I just want to go to Mish CJ. What makes you unique in other words? What makes us unique in this industry is the first thing is that we don't focus on ordinary. We don't focus on ordinary. What do you mean you don't focus on ordinary? Let me explain to you. We don't focus on ordinary. We don't focus on good. We focus on first excellence and number two outstanding. Any client who comes to us, we have to make sure that it's not that people don't mistake looking classy and being proud. We want to make sure that when they dress you anywhere you bypass, they must look behind and just confirm it. They will notice. Like they'll turn heads. Exactly. So one thing we believe in and why you should come to get suits or Ankara outfits from us is that you believe in excellence and outstanding staff. Not ordinary, not good. We look up to extra ordinary and excellence. So in the morning conversation we were talking about is it right for you to give, to receive a gift or give gifts to. To receive a gift from someone you're not interested in. Would you make not a suit, maybe just a dress, a nice dress for me and you know clearly I'm not interested in you. Would you do that and you expect me to receive that gift? Or what's your take on that discussion? You're putting me with your hat on. I was away with that topic so much. So my take on that is that if you look at these five arms they don't look alike. This is small. It has its own purpose. The five arms are different. So on that perspective there are two kinds of people. There are two kinds of ladies. There's this one lady who will not accept the gift from the world because she's not interested in you so is she not interested in anything you give. And there is number two this other kind of lady who will accept what you're giving them but their main agenda is that they don't want you. They don't want anything to do with you. You know what I'm saying. So what I believe we can just base our facts on these two kind of people. But why are we talking about ladies only? Do you know even guys get gifts? Of course guys get gifts. Right now it's a two way thing but in accordance let me not go out of context in accordance to your discussion in the morning is what has been happening per se. The kids have been going on. You see what has been happening is in regard to ladies what has been happening and I'm a man, I'm not trying to be biased or something but different kind of people show or express their different kind of emotions in different ways. Those who think buying gifts to ladies or making them love you will lower them and will cause them to love you. And you know what has caused that is because the wrong perception that has been hovering around the society now that ladies thrive on the false life in Instagram false life on Facebook I want to tell my beautiful sisters out there is that what is being put there on Instagram no one will put their real life Please tell them when you go to our Instagram page when you go to our Instagram page you won't find any flaws of us as in social collections. Why do we do that? That's just a mirror. It's nothing. That's not a person, that's a mirror. When that mirror is taken out there the real person remains. So what I want to tell these guys don't live a life of fantasy just live in accordance to your level. If you are a lady you can afford a chips worth 70 shillings go eat that. Don't think that you want a guy who's going to buy you a chips worth 50,000 No, no, no. Don't do that because in anything that you get there is a price to pay. There is a price to pay, remember. Every day there is a price to pay. So remember if you take that drink of that guy or if you take that cow of that guy even if in your mindset you want to say if you let this guy, my friend will go pay for it. If you don't go just like that you will pay well, well. Well said. Yes, true, very true. Hallelujah. They am sure they had. That's the truth. Affecting our society. They young society also. Most of them don't want to work hard. You want cheap things and they have a price to pay. They do. So I'd like you to tell us or tell the audience where they can find you on social media so that you can just view the last design. Okay, sure, sure. You can find us on Instagram at Michi CJ Collection. In Facebook you can find us here at photography underscore Michi CJ Collections. Then on Twitter Michi CJ Collections. And if you want to visit us you can go and find more details on Instagram and Facebook and our contacts are also there. I'm being reminded of something. How do you juggle? You know studying law is not easy. It's not easy at all. Someone told me I have to. How do you juggle the law and designing considering that you built the company from scratch? It's not easy no more because nothing comes the easy way. One thing I want to assure guys out there who have dreams, so young people is that you can never get your success or your purpose if you just sit on your comfort zone. One thing I only say is that the only limit you have in your life is yourself. When you get your point and say this is enough that will be enough. So myself I must create time for fashion and also school. You see school I have to be there full time. It's a full time studies at KU Law School. I have to be there full time and I have to create time for business to make sure that I don't disappoint my clients. So definitely it's not easy and definitely nothing comes the easy way. Nothing comes at a silver platter. You must go for it, you must work hard. So it's not easy. That's the truth. I want to say it's not easy but I have to. I don't have any other option. I must balance all of them because all of them need equal attention. So as we wind up, what are your future plans? My future plans is to number one is to start up a fashion and design school to bring up the society now we are diversified and art is taking up very fast. So we want to end this kakuna that fashion and design is just another job for lazy do bombs no no no no. It's a well paying job now in the society. So I want to start up a fashion and design school a serious one of that matter that even parents can bring their children out of secondary school and be confident that indeed they are going to do a profession. Correct and they will sell and they will get the money that they want to get that a lawyer out there, a doctor out there a business person out there will get because it's now a part and parcel of the society get what I'm saying. So number one is to open up a fashion and design school number two we want to I want to try and and open up to the upcoming designers because myself I think I think I'm the youngest designer now people like Akina Wins How old are you? Really? What did you just ask? How old are you when you say you're the youngest? I'm old enough. I'll just let that go. So there are these young people who have great ideas if you listen to them their design ideas they're just mind blowing but they don't have someone to give them the platform like someone said previously the spoken word guy is that they don't have the platform people will utilize them and if there are these big designers which happens in all fields the people who've already made it very few of them will want to hold arms of this upcoming most of them will want to oppress them people who are already in the industry for too long if you mentor one or two or three people if that person goes to higher level level number three definitely you won't be in the same level with them you'll be in level number five your legacy continues actually exactly that's what you're talking about so mentorship in every field you must make sure that you mentor these upcoming people because if you are a designer today if I don't mentor these upcoming designers how is the fashion and design legacy going to move to go on to the next generation it won't unless and until we hold arms of these others so we need to do a a school we need to hold arms of this upcoming fashion and design and I need us now as a fashion and design industry to end the importation of outfits from outside we have the capability we have capable fashion and designers and tailors in Kenya who can do outfits here, custom made nice outfits like we have just seen correct and you're going to again see so let's I'm trying to of course with my position as a law student when I'm done I'm going to try as hard to even make sure that it is passed as I've been in the parliament into a law we have outfits from outside we have the capability we have capable tailors in Kenya I think you have big dreams big dreams, thank you so much I think that is we cannot even put it in any other words you given us everything we wanted to and I'm sure especially now that people are they are on holidays they have had and that is an inspiration so thank you so much for coming so we want to view the last outfits most obliged ladies suit ladies to be suit to be suit for the ladies who said ladies can truck suits I know I'm even thinking about you need to come and visit us this is a ladies suits which we have the new upcoming trouser designs if you can see let me view to the viewers that we are bringing and introducing in the fashion industry in Kenya the new design here to battle from the norm to a different place here so this is what you are trying to bring up in Kenya now so for the ladies the navy blue suit to be suit which can blend so well with the white interior top and like you ask the accessory the accessory for ladies here then we have the pocket square here for the ladies so ladies can rock suits very well very amazingly well the suit itself and like you do with the interior we have different interior of the linings we have this kind of lining the flourish lining we have the plain linings we have different linings dotted linings so if a lady wants a suit and they think it's just a normal suit that they get out there we can make you look outstanding in a suit at which CJ collections so this is the ladies palazo pants probably in Africa probably in Africa so this is the Ankara palazo pants which can do so high waist palazo pants which can do so well with any any persons body size depending on how we take your measurements you don't need to go out there and get palazos wunapele kia fundi they spoil it and they disorient it so much so you need to just come to us we take your measurements and we do a very nice palazo pants outfits for you so well with white which can go well with maroon which can go well with black so any kind of color which can blend well we can give you an advice of the same so everyone palazo pants we have them here you can never go wrong with mesh CJ collections yes yes thank you so much for coming for the interview we appreciate you making time and if you want to get treated fashion wise then you know the place to go so we are taking a sharp musical break but we will be back with more of