 You think that somebody who's done something wrong should be punished? Why? Why not? Can you tell me? Why not? No, tell me why not? You said that you know that there is no power. How do you know that? You don't understand that, don't you? Because you have to understand that. I don't think you understand that. That's why I'm asking you. First of all, that is metaphorical that burning and so on. You can't judge somebody that's going to live 11 billion billion years on a lifespan of what? 30 before they got killed or something like that? Other people like these ISIS and so on. It does say what you say it doesn't say. And that's not even the issue. The issue is the Quran is wrong for a whole bunch of different reasons. But the bigger thing than that is understanding why there cannot be a hell, why that contradicts the notion of God. So we can just toss out Islam. Islam is wrong because it says there's a hell. It says a lot of things that are wrong. But let's just focus on the Quran saying that there's a hell. And we know there's not a hell because there's not a God. But even if you pretend for a moment that there is a God, there still isn't a hell and Quran is still wrong. So you said that you know that there is no hell. How do you know that there is not a hell? I'm sorry, what? You said that you know that there is no hell. How do you know that? Well, if there was a God, as I said. Okay. First of all, hell couldn't exist unless there is your version of God. But if there actually was a God, then hell still wouldn't exist because the God wouldn't create it, nor would the God allow it. Why? Because people who have a bullshit story to sell, who need to acquire your tithing and need to assume control over your families and your belief systems and your politics. They want you to believe made up bullshit stories and they need you to believe that so badly that if you don't buy the heaven, the impossible promise of the posthumous reward, if you don't buy into that, then they have to give you the threat of a fate worse than death in order to control the gullible through fear. So that's why hell was invented. It's not a concept that would actually exist if there really was a God, because God would not mercilessly punish anybody for a term. Nobody ever did anything so evil that it would have warrant an eternity of being burned alive and skinned alive and tortured by every other means. Nobody ever deserves that. No God would ever do that. No God would ever allow that. The only reason it exists is as a concept for people who want to evoke fear to extort money and tithing. All right. Okay. First of all, that is metaphorical that burning and so on, because I believe that on other side, we are not bodies. We are souls and he's not going to, you know, it's like a nightmare for those who have been like Adolf Hitler, like these ISIS and so on, such a people. I believe that they deserve to be judged and punished because they were not punished in this life. Okay. So this is, and if they just go on. What is the purpose of punishment? The purpose of punishment is that they have been hurting people. They have been killing people. Does punishing them fix that? Does that make the people not hurt? Okay. That one is up to God to decide, okay, if it will help. But for some people, it helps. Okay. For some people, they get afraid for the, you know, other side, so they will not do bad deeds. But some people, and I, this is, I say, this is my belief that they should be somehow, you know, punished for what they were doing here on this planet. But again, back to the same question I just asked, what is the purpose of punishment? Okay. The purpose of punishment because they didn't follow his commands and he's the creator. Okay. He was telling them to do good deeds and they didn't. Okay. Okay. So what's the purpose? So you say they should be punished. Why should they be punished? Why people should be, yeah, why should people should be punished for their wrongdoing? Okay. But why? You don't understand that. No, because I don't think you understand that. That's why I'm asking you. Yes. Why should they be punished? Because they have done such a horrific, you know, crimes against humanity. And so, so why should they be punished? Why they should be punished because I said, yes, because they have done, you have done something wrong. You have to be punished. Okay. So you've done something wrong. Not just something wrong. I think that somebody who's done something wrong should be punished. Why? Why should be punished? Right. Yeah. Why not? Can you tell me? Why not? No. Tell me why not? No. Aaron, tell me why not. So there has to be, when you decide to punish someone. Because it is just because it is. How is it just in, in what way? So you want to punish somebody. If you want to find them, if the, if the punishment is a fine. Okay. We could then apply that fine to say the, the next to kin or to the victims, you know, it'd be like a lawsuit. So there's a benefit to the person who's been hurt or wronged. What I'm trying to get at is when you're punishing someone, say, say you're going to punish them through a fine. Okay, good. Now you've got some restitution for the victim. There's some benefit there. There's other types of punishment that the result or the purpose of those other types of punishment could be for rehabilitation, which I think would be brilliant, especially if you're going to have something that, that's going to live forever, forever and ever and ever. You can't judge somebody that's going to live 11,000,000,000,000 years on a lifespan of what 30 before they get met up and killed or something like that. So if you're going to be an intelligent being much less a superior being, but if you're going to be intelligent at all, then there has to be a reason for the punishment. What is the goal of the punishment? Because if it is insane revenge for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever, then you're not talking about a just God. You're talking about an evil God. So if, if there's a benefit, if there's a goal, if there's some kind of restitution for the punishment, what is that restitution? What, why would you punish someone? What's the goal of that? What are you trying to achieve? Look, Aaron, that's up to God. Okay. Because I said beginning. Okay. I said from the beginning, I don't follow God. Let's say it's not up to God. Let's put it up to you for a moment. You're God or you're somebody and you're going to decide that somebody needs to be punished. What is your reason for punishing it? Is it because you want to get justice for your victims? Meaning that you need to benefit the victims in some way. Or you want to rehabilitate the person who's done wrong so that they understand that they've done something wrong and can do better. Somebody has been killed. You cannot benefit by finding that person. Okay. That person's life has been. So there's no benefit to being tortured mercilessly. All there is, is the evil of your imaginary God. All right. Okay. Aaron, my concern is not what's happening next life. Okay. My concern is what's happening on this planet in this life. Okay. So my concern is that I said from beginning that I follow God, not just because he exists. I'm not following him because he's going to punish people who do bad deeds. Okay. I'm following him because he has changed our life to a better one. Okay. In the past, we can go through that. Okay. And then he's going to change our life to a perfect life in the future. No, he doesn't. Islam is wrong about that too.