 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews In this extremely motivating episode, you can't do it of Mind Pump For the first 33 minutes we talk about a few fun topics. We talk about Canna sexuals Yeah, what is that married couples and sex we actually talk about our own personal Sex lives. We did. Yep. That was pretty much I would say the first half was like all of our personal sex Adam and I had a lot to say Then we talked about sexual sexual drive And then we get into I guess the topic of the episode motivation Is it bullshit? What's up with all these motivational speakers and you got to get motivated do everything you need these guys barking at you all day long Yeah, also look this month maps anabolic is 50% off all month long. What did you say 50% off what? Basically you take the price you cut it in half. That's what you pay. Wow. 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Yeah, he's getting all regal on us I'm coming next you give me give you a shit sandwich right now. Just this you don't you don't do the sandwich You do the top layer Open face Shit sandwich, so have you guys heard of the term canna sexuals canna sexuals canna sexuals What do you mean? Are we still making shit up? Is that what's going on people that fuck marijuana plants? That would that would make sense. No, these are people who like to use cannabis for sex, but in particular it's women who like to spray or use cannabis-based Like oils or sprays or whatever on their vagina Vigine. Yeah, of course to numb it So this is a like we want to have some you want to have some marathon sex This is like a this is like a meetup group. Is that what's going on? I'm reading this article and it's talking about how these women like to use it because it helps them get Orgasms, but doesn't that because it numbs it. Yeah, why would you want to numb your vagina so you can go all night? They don't need it. They don't need it. That's for men. Men need to numb their stuff. Women can go all night if they want to Yeah, that necessarily not all women like to have 10 orgasms. No, I'm not all like that Adam looks at me. He's like listen, so a lot of them told me it's too much Trust me. I mean it's it's over cat. I have a problem. Yeah. Yeah Women don't like it when I do that to them all the time every day Exhausted all day. They don't like that. No, no, they put it on there They put it on their vaginas or in the vaginas Because I feel like I threw an R in or around the vagina. Yeah, it's because it it it this is what one person says I feel a warmth in comfort down there that I wouldn't without it. Okay. Yeah, I think I think we're gonna see lots of stuff With cannabis start coming out, you know, here's what it's already, you know, it sucks. What sucks It's slowly becoming uncool to do. Yes We're gonna have to start using heroin like It's already getting uncool. No, you know what you know what when your parents are smoking it like everybody my fucking My parents use it for like their own ailments for sleep and yeah, whatever. Yeah, so Here's the thing about some studies like this because they'll do a study. They'll be like, oh people who use Cannabis spray on the vaginas report having Localized right there like is that like the effect? I mean if it's like a Lube or like something like that. I don't know about that. Plus it takes a long time I'm like, is that true? Plus it takes a long time to hit you So what do you spray it and then you're like listen, how can you localize it right there? It goes to your bloodstream. I I don't know it might have a local effect But it takes a while. So what do they do like and then they're like, all right, honey Listen, we're gonna watch TV for an hour. Well, that's why I said numbing That's the only that makes sense to me because we used to make like this these rubbing alcohol for like pain and stuff like that And you could rub it on the skin and it would it would it would actually I don't think it works Yeah, no, you know why because when you're rubbing it on a local area It has to go through the the skin and then it doesn't go just to that area it goes systemically Now cold shit or like what is it called like menthol and stuff right right now tie inflammatory stuff Well, no, no that that works but not because it's doing something directly to the area that you're putting it on But because it distracts the central nervous system and it confuses the signal So it feels cold instead of pain and so you're like, oh, it doesn't hurt That's how that works. But but here's a deal with studies like this. The reason why I think they're crazy is Let's say you do take a poll of people. Yeah, that was one person you mentioned. No, no That was just a quote. That was just a quote So it worked for me let's end of study studies show one person Well, let's say you did you did a study right or not a study a survey because they didn't done studies of the surveys They said women who reported using Cannabis that vaginal spray report 50% more ag orgasms than women who don't here's why that study is terrible Because I feel like the women that are likely to use a spray on their vagina before sex are the kind that are probably More likely to be relaxed and have orgasms, you know I'm saying like imagine if you're gonna hook up with a girl No, no, I could totally say if you got a girl who's already like very insecure or scared She's not gonna be like hold on say pretentious and she's and she doesn't want to do certain things and like yeah Like the last thing you're gonna do is be like, hey, why don't you spray some marijuana on your badge? You like she's gonna be like, oh, yeah, that's a great. No, that girl's gonna be no Exactly rude the girl that's more into exploring things exactly who's probably already having better orgasms Anyway, that's my point because there was another study a long time a while ago That got called a lot of controversy and they were they did a survey of women and they found that women Who have anal sex? report far more orgasms than women that don't have anal sex and so Like send me that I'm trying to talk and I hear Justin the back So but the problem with that study is yeah, they took that saying like oh anal sex gives you orgasms No, they're just more adventurous. I think I think when I think women who are like and people people who are more likely To do these things are more likely to have good sex and it's not necessarily the thing that they're doing It's the fact that they're willing to do them What a Doug, you know I'm saying random question here. You can Google for I'm I know I'm putting you to work today, dude How many? Could you captain captain? I want to know that the the how often the average married couple has sex Once week is it really? Oh, I think it's three to four times a month something like that three to five times a month Something like that once yeah, I know this I know this because I use this in arguments Are you above or below average Justin? Wow above? Okay. Good. Yeah. Well, we'll actually see the what's see the average is first Then I can ask well based off of Sal's right there. Yeah, let's see what's that 54 times a year or a little more than once a week It's almost as if I can't be wrong Or we just happen to talk about all the things that you Google So once a week is the Average right around Wow, yeah, baby. You hear that she bitches about three times dude your girl. Yes That's how it always starts man. Yeah, that's how it's yeah, you don't have kids. Oh me Yeah, dude, it's not this is not your same playing field. Hey, bro. You ain't no shit, dude Why do you think I'm not married seven years deep? We're in a great relationship still Still going like this. I mean you want to hold out so you get good sex Yeah, I want to just like have it. Oh mine mine and my my marriage There you go, that's the thing yeah, how many married couples get that sex to a lot Well, you know why dude because it's an important part of relation. I think people start to you know, I don't want to talk about What go ahead finish your sins here I'm really good to say about this here's the thing sex is not that important and unless something's wrong with it Then it becomes very important. Otherwise a healthy relationship can be a lot of sex that that much sex But but if there's a problem with one of the people in there Yeah, then it becomes an issue and happy because it's yeah because it's very individual like you're okay That's the average, right? You know what that means that means half of the married couples have more than that and Half of the married couples have less than that because that's them. That's the average, right? So, you know, you could be in a marriage where you know a guy Which that's actually really crazy to me because obviously there's a lot of people that are doing it two three times a week That probably fall in the category of where I'm at, right and who knows where are you at? Where are you at right now right now? Yeah, Jesus Christ We know where you were at when you guys first got in your relationship. Are you still keeping that pace? You know we do we go in in insane spurts So so look at it a month. We won't have so don't so don't look at like a we won't I don't know It's hard to catch. So we they'll be they'll be like a day or two where we don't have sex And then it's like we should all track for the next 45 days a bunch all day. We should all track for 45 track That's like that'd be easy for me. I could probably predict it I Have a lot now see I I'm a very sexual person So for me once a week would be too little but here's the deal. I know I'll take that back I wouldn't mind once a week sex if it was good. In fact, I don't care about the frequency as much as I care about the quality That's the truth hundred percent. I really don't care if even if I had sex if I had once a month Mind-blowing crazy sex that would be fine. That would be fine It's got to be that the quality is more important when I was younger quantity was important Yeah, that's a moulder. I definitely go about the enthusiasm. I go in spurts like you're saying too But I would I when I say three times a week. I would say that's my average, right? Yeah, because we have a we'll have a week where it's crazy It's five or six and then we'll have a week where it's two or one, right? Yeah, so I don't want I don't know one one I'm getting a lot of shit if they if it actually if it's like a crazy. Are you the one giving the sympathy sex? I'm not gonna answer Set me up like that No, no, they'd never I would never give my girl sympathy sex But I definitely for sure if it was up to her we would consistently be somewhere between five and five and seven I'm just too tired for that. Yeah, I mean, I try hard man. I lift a lot of weights I do a lot of things my mind's working a lot Yeah, that's a lot to ask it is a lot because I bring it every time too. I'm not like a half-ass sex guy You're a full ass. Yeah full all ass full all day. Yeah. Yeah round ass every time it's seven years later You asked Katrina next time we talked to her to seven years there. I mean every time I mean I know I texted Hey, bro, I talked to you real quick. Yeah, I was talking to your girl. Yeah No, I think Quality is so much more important than quantity quantity is important too, of course I mean, I said the once a month thing and now that I think about that probably would be too little but Once a week really good. I would be so I would be happy, but it has to be like really good Can what makes good sex? How about that? It's a better question. What makes sex for you guys? Good, where you're like wow that was that was quality. It just has to be like like very enthusiastic You know like Like I'm into this what a great adjective Yeah Let's do this honey. I'm not mad at that at all You know what you don't want to see her like you don't want to see her like like peek at the clock What was Courtney like in high school? Was she what clicked shoes? She played volleyball. She was an athlete Yes, she's an athlete kind of I mean she wasn't like super competitive like she didn't like play like Basically, she was like really good But like was disinterested in it because like the coaches and whatever or she was like not into it But yeah, she was athlete and hung out with athletes and stuff. So not cheerleader or no She was in the her sister which is kind of strange to me because her sister or older one is Very fiercely independent, you know has her own business is like a lawyer and like She was a cheerleader and I was just like what like I don't know There's just like this there's a stigma that comes stigma. It's just a different like I Didn't see that in my mind, you know, so that would that kind of threw me off See, it's kind of funny to find that out at our school. We probably had like a 50-50 split We had like half the cheerleader girls were following the stigma right of the kind of did see whatever, but the other half were actually the You know AP classes smart girls. Oh, yeah, there were some smart girls for sure Yeah, it was something like enjoyed doing but yeah, so an enthusiasm is what you look for you Yeah, what about you Adam for me it's like and and there's and I know when we hit this point, right? There becomes a point where you you lose track of time and everything else like and it's literally you feel like It almost feel like you're having sex with yourself No, I'm serious. Like you become one Adam. What's the best kind of sex? I like banging me When when we when we get connected like that it literally feels like there's there's no Wrong move or turn like you literally feel like one person When you when you when you get that connected nothing's better than love that to me that to me is the But don't get me wrong like there's I also feel like there's times like you know Like if her and I have been stressed and frustrated this and that and we're going back to mash it out Right, then there's definitely the pull the hair She wasn't ready for type of deal Pagging sash This is a thing dude where a girl puts on a girl puts on a strap on Yeah, there's a term for this. There is a term. I just thought it was like a girl puts it's called paging paging P. E Gigi Sounds appropriate for what it is. Can you Google that real quick just Adam a dog? I want to see what we know I'm just kidding. No, that's what it's called. So anyway, so you're talking about making love Yeah, I mean I Mean how do you define that right like for I don't know if that's the well making love is is like well You're it's like I think what you're saying. I think making love is is defined by each person individually, right? I just know that there's times when we have sex and it literally becomes Timeless and it feels as if you were old and what I mean by alone is not that I feel like I'm having sex by myself But literally like you feel like you're one body. Yeah, well, you just growth in the same like wavelength Yes, same. Yeah, like alignment and and it it seemed less at that point It's I think everybody like has experienced that anybody that's ever, you know, or if you're into dancing, right? It's like when you dance like you're dancing with somebody who just literally vibes with you completely and no pants dance Yeah, it's the no pants dance. So that's that's to me. That's what I think is epic great great sex That's good, right. Yeah, and I'm shooting for that every time, you know, I mean, that's that's the goals to do that What's yours? Um I like like animal noises. Yeah, that's what I feel. Yeah Well, what two people three people not I'm I you know for me It's when there's no boundaries and what I mean by that is not that you do everything But you feel like you roll out the plastic sheets. Yeah, you get the Western oil Yeah, it's there's when when there's no boundaries when it's you know boundaries what I mean by that is where you feel safe words You feel very do you guys have a safe word? Is it? No, I don't have a safe word. Yeah, we haven't had we just we haven't we haven't hit something that needed a safe word So far. Yeah, all right. Yeah, the safe word is party safe word is ouch No, I like no boundaries I do like talking I like communicating through sex I like to talk converse like dirty talk I like to hear and I feel like if I was dating you I'd want you to shut your mouth because you talk all the time No, you'd like you'd get you'd like the way I did it, bro. Oh, yeah, yeah, rock your world No, I like no I like no boundaries I like obviously course connection like you said where you feel like you lose time and then there's those times where it's pure animal sex where it's just pure filth and pure Like anger and yeah, those seem to have to fight. That's why I feel like those that's the kind of sex where disagreements big arguments That's the kind of each other. This is it. I'm done with you. I'm finding someone new. Oh, I'm just kidding I love you. Yeah, no, that's that's the kind of sex where afterwards you you think to yourself like Oh, I don't know if I could bring that I gotta take a shower. Let's not let's not bring up what happened just now We'll pretend like no it didn't happen Now do you guys be do you know you you know your women because you've been with them for a long time? Do you is there certain feedback that you're looking for like is there like well when she tells me that like I I know? I did it see Mike. Oh, yeah, me and my girl are very similar So she's vocal like I am so I know I just know the noises. Yeah, I'm like, oh hitting a good spot Keep driving now This has nothing like that Keep driving driving in on that signal I think I'm all rough dude. I'm super super sensitive dude, bro. I have never seen you be Like that with anything I've seen how you eat food Fair enough, I do think I do I do have that ability ability of both. I do believe that I do believe there's a correlation between How how men eat and how they fuck? Yeah all over oh my god, yeah, no it's But yeah, it's it's so different from person to person no complaints one of the worst things I could only imagine is if you're with somebody who has a low sex drive and you have a high sex driver vice versa Right because you could have everything else be healthy, but how do you well? That was one of you bring those that was one of the biggest challenges that we went through in my relationship was You know going through this whole hormone thing like I also happen to be with probably I would say Katrina is Yeah, she's probably Yeah, I don't I don't think I've ever dated anybody that wants to have sex as much as she does So to be with the girl that that wants more sex than any woman I've ever been with at the same time that I'm going through the Hormonal challenges like that that really definitely hurt. I think her and her and Jessica have that have that in common Yeah, cuz I have yet like I At any given moment my girl could be like, oh my god my head hurts I don't feel good and I'd be like you want to do it like yes, like I've never My my now when I was married it was not like that the stars had to align the planets had to be in the right But was it like that before I kids yep It was it was it was like that for most of the time. Yeah, what's I mean? It's like what you guys are describing after he was like before yeah before kids after kids It's all over verse. Yeah, I couldn't like even keep up man Yeah, that in the beginning that's actually a lot of guys think they want to be in that position But then you're like fuck man, I can't even I need to like it could sleep underwritten thing I mean they won't they want to have a kid, you know, like it's it's like in the DNA It's like what do you think? What do you think? It is about that that really causes them to go from being because obviously the the main drive is probably because they have this You know to reproduce right inside and that's what probably drives that crazy sexual drive then they do do you think that's what it is? It's because they've come elated that's like, oh, I really did. Yeah, this is what I've accomplished it, right Right, there's a lot of things you're pretty much. You're pretty much useless now There's a lot of things first of all first of all I got what I wanted. Thank you. Thanks man. Go take a seat. No, no think about think about it this way Okay, how would you've been through injuries and hormone changes, right? Okay, you go through a pregnancy first of all your body's not yours for nine months. That's what it feels like at least You change and grow and stretch and all then stuff's coming out of your boobs and your hormones are fucking Way different. You're not getting Good sleep. I wouldn't want to have sex either. Yeah, okay I wouldn't either and then afterwards while your breastfeeding your hormones stay a pretend It's almost like menopause while your breastfeeding and this is because your body is trying to prevent you from getting pregnant right away again So there's that that's going on then you have the kids they grow up Hormones take it takes a while for them to get back most the client the female clients that I would train would tell me that would take them About a year or two to start to even feel Normal again, but then on top of that you have the added stress and the added all the added stress from having kids now And then of course you may be more self-conscious of your body because a lot of women's bodies You know, even if you take care of yourself and stuff There's certain things that happen that you may not have control You know what I was having my buddy last week. This was hilarious. We're I didn't know this is possible So they just had their kid right right now that he's only a month old or so And you know, they're exhausted like new parents Just nobody's fucking sleeping or what that and they both pass out like on their on their bed And I guess she skipped a feeding and she didn't she didn't pump I guess and I guess this could happen and my boy wakes up because milk is squirting him in the face Because her tits are fucking shooting out like fountains I didn't know that could possible like that dude He told me that like he was all freaked out about it. I was like, I don't know I probably it's so it's such a good thing that women have babies and not men Yeah, for sure because we would just blast each other Like for sure if I ever into a water yeah, if I got pregnant I'd come to work and you'd be like doing something You wouldn't even be like For sure we blast No, it's it's a challenge. It's funny to when they do when they do like surveys and stuff on married people with children They find it's such a catch-22. I had this conversation with Jessica the other day people with kids to report less happiness and more Anxiety and more like all it's like it seems like it's all bad, but then they get to the question of yeah Like they feel more fulfilled more fulfilled the meaningfulness and purpose and it's yes Yes enriched and yeah, whatever term you want to throw out there. It's such a different but it's it's such a dichotomy I can clearly see like for sure without kids I'd probably be having more fun more excited yay more relaxation I was a but then for sure I wouldn't have as much of the yeah of the you know now fulfillment Have you guys have you guys notice compromise a correlation between? Exercise and your guys is sex for example like for me for sure I notice a huge difference in just this one both of us are my my sex drive How good the sex is and and how good of shape that I'm currently in so if I'm I'm consistent on the diet I've been training like everything's on the rise sex is is up as far as the amount of it And then how good it is all that's on the rise and if I'm like kind of like whatever I'm inconsistent with that My sex drive my sex reflects it completely for sure. That's the go-to. Yeah, if things are a little bit rocky It's like let's get back to the gym. Yeah, right. Let's work on ourselves Yeah, if I'm feeling strong and healthy then I'm definitely more definitely more sexual definitely more horny and her too It's the same it's you just want them like you want to feel good And you want to be able to bring that into the relationship and you know if you're working on yourself You feel a lot better Well, I was always told this was like a chick trait like I thought it was a girl thing that you know girls Have to feel sexy in order to want to have sex Was it talk about it? Yeah, I feel that way like if I'm if I feel down on myself, or I feel like I'm not a Section you do with the lights off. Yeah You know Katrina makes totally my man boobs. Yeah. No, absolutely. It's it's like it's some it's I'm not even like Consciously doing it subconsciously. I'm doing this where it when I'm not really feeling myself You know, I wait till the last minute to strip down and get naked I turn the lights off and then go to bed and then they can then get into bed Oh, I'm a I'm a fucking lights on I love it. Oh turn everything now when I'm feeling now when I'm feeling good about myself I'm absolutely I'm the guy gets out of shower and then I don't even put any clothes back when I'm walking around Yeah, I'm so visual that I like to see things, but I can have fun with the lights off I don't like seeing shit when I don't look good. You know what I look good. I like see I'm not looking at me Yeah, no, I'm probably I forgot you have sex with yourself I Like I like I'm not talking about I know what you mean you you feel self-conscious right right I'm talking about you guys and your sex drive not rough the correlation between your girls being in shape and working out I'm talking about just you yourself like there's a direct correlation for me like when I'm in shape when I'm feeling good Sex is up not anything to do with her everything you think it has to do with the visual or the fact that you just feel better for I think both yeah for sure both right because obviously and we've talked about this with my hormone levels as soon as I started lifting heavy again So by that there was an instant spike in testosterone So that helped and then as I've continued to progress over the last month or two Watching the physical change happen to my body and stuff like that is made me feel that way too And then I do I feel myself walking around the room naked and stuff where before I would leave my clothes on longer before I take them off and stuff. So no, I like always ready. Yeah, so you don't like lights on either, huh? I do lights on now, but I don't know. It's just too like my eyes like squinty Like I like I like just a little bit of light. Yeah dim lights pitch black can be fun, too Though yeah because then it's mysterious. Yeah, I mean like that's I wake you up And we kind of you know like get frisky. How do you turn? How do you get your girls in the mood? Well, I mean you probably the other way around. Yeah, how did well? Let's say you you want to have say you just go up to your girl and say let's do it. Yeah Yeah, yeah, my girls were like this if I say that I want to have sex, you know her response back to me You better not be talking shit. Yeah, yeah, don't give a fuck. Yeah. Don't be talking shit That's the response I get How does she get down how does she get you in the mood then because you're the more complicated one? Yeah, I am I'm definitely more complicated. What does she do if you were to ask her you she probably tell you She's still trying to figure it out. She probably tell you like, you know slip She's definitely drink what dirty talk doesn't work No, no, you know in fact the more she tries the less The less I want to so if I for me I think the still the the male side of me still wants to hunt and you want to pursue her I do I do want to pursue still so she can't just and so my girl when we first started dating She was you know, the she thought there was like, you know, you just grab my dick and like I'm gonna be in the mood It doesn't work for me. I'm saying that doesn't that doesn't it doesn't turn me on, you know I'm also not like oh don't touch me there. I'm not that guy either, but you know at the same time I'm like that's not gonna I feel like I need to chase her a little bit So she she'd be chocolates or something. She knows to play. She knows to play possum a little bit with me You know, so she she and I know she does you know, she'll come in my window I know she really wants to she takes that she get cozy and early to the bedroom. She showers, you know I'm saying already. Yeah, I smell the lotion and she's got the cute little lingerie of matching panties and underwear You know, it's like eight o'clock and she's hanging out. Yeah. Yeah, right doing work on the computer Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's doing work like on her knees Like like really? She does a little look back over her shoulder to see if I'm looking so like I see you dude I see you don't trip no for for me I just I just have to say something or just take my shirt off. That's the funny that take my shirt off I'm like, I better get ready to have sex For my girl to get me in the mood I mean she'll do it if she just grabs me usually that'll that'll probably work But if I'm kind of like stressed or whatever and that's not really working Just she just has to start talking dirty when I was when I know how she does it too She'd be like, you know, I was thinking about the other day and I'll be oh really what what were you thinking about? And it'll be like the filthiest thing ever. I'm like, oh shit. I didn't expect that. We're having sex That's a really cool thing talking about your sex with the partners That's a great tip for people that are trying to get their part in the mood whether you're a girl or a guy I've found this really successful, right? If you I'm saying Works on everybody is talking about, you know, like a great question to prompt or ask is like their their favorite times With you right the favorite the over some of your favorite moments or favorite things that we you've done about fantasies You ever ask your girl try this ask your girl What is the most naughtiest fantasy you've ever had in your own mind? Yeah, no holds barred no boundaries. I don't care what it is didn't you know, it's in your fantasy So it's safe. What is that? And then they're like, yeah, I don't have any no they have they have them They're just afraid that they're gonna get judged trust me. Everybody has them get them to release it Well gone down that road, you know your co-host Adam Fuck that won't work on me. I'll work on me. I'd be like really tell me about all my friends We'll have an argument later first-reven sex No, you ask and see but they I think people have to feel safe. They have to feel big everybody has filthy crazy Fantasies of course, right Justin. Yeah Dark what's your dark? What's your mood? What's your move? What's my moves to kind of get it going? Pour him a drink. Yeah drinks are good, right? I feel like I feel like I could picture you at your house and like Courtney comes over she like pours pours some scotch for you You're like oh, it's Usually that's that's an indicator like she'll have me go to the store and get something because it's I think it's more just to like lighten the atmosphere a bit and like relax it and so it I know it's gonna be successful based off the conversation. We have on the couch and that's like Once the kids are down and like we're relaxed and we're chill and we're watching like a good show or something like I'm and it's usually I mean Probably 90% of the time when I'm not Thinking about it or trying and then I'm just really fucking in tune with what she's talking about, you know I'm just like I'm really paying attention to her. Yeah, like being an asshole, you know for once So basically you just have to I just have to really listen to her Yeah, like like like intently, you know, and I'm like I'm learning this Instead of just being like tell me about your day. They look at my dick in the big walk around Really work, you know, it worked in the beginning That's the problem. That's a thing. That's the problem. Oh, it's changed. It's true. It totally changed now So I have to be a lot more swavane Oh, so there's shit So why would you guys see our defensive Katrina got when we brought the massages and where my massages down from when we first met Yeah, you are spoiled. I have to side with her. I'm on her side Yeah, you were complaining that she's the massage you every day And now she massages you three days a week. Yeah, oh tough poor guy if full-body massage by pro a professional massage therapist. Yeah, I'm getting my dudes over here Fuck you It's not that though. It's imagine this right so because it's hard for everyone to understand that right imagine if You married like a fucking like a super chef like I know I know like the and every night You had a fucking gourmet five course meal. Yeah every night you conditioned. Yes, right? And you're like and I don't so and she we didn't talk when we didn't talk about this yesterday when we're all together But I remember like vividly like having a conversation with her like you got to stop doing this. Yeah, like you are spoiling me Yeah, you're ruining me. I love to do this. I love to do this. You know, so I love I love it relaxes me I love to I love to right so she constantly closing me on how it's no big deal And it's like second nature to her to do that and I'm going like this is changing my life Like it's a big deal man like getting this every single night. Are you supposed to say no to that? Right, and you know in her defense That was back when she ran the clinic and she didn't have to get to work till 10 o'clock in the morning And you know, we were living the life at that time and so she closed you man Oh man, and then and then so and then now and here's the thing too. It's like again back to the chef reference You I'm sure somebody who's been with a chef like that can tell when they really get down in the kitchen versus when they Kind of throw something together like warm it up in the microwave. You know I'm saying like that's what you're getting the microwave massages No, honey, I don't think they're microwave massages Not at all. You'll say they're still there and they're still way better than I'll get anywhere else So that's it is tough. It's like out back. It's like it's fast food, but it's okay. That's steak Maybe that's a better analogy It's still good like I'm not complaining right, but it's but I can feel in her hands I can just feel the difference when she is doing it like when she's okay. I'm gonna put it down busy. Yeah I'm not fucking complaining right now I'm just saying that because everyone gives me shit about that like if you only knew You know what that was like to have that for every single night like that It she did condition the fuck out of me man And then I'm like maybe and it ruined all other massage because then I went on a kick for a while Remember when she used to get mad at me because I was so used to getting massages all time So I started going to going to must paying for it. You know like okay Well, I'm gonna I'm I want them that she was changing my life I mean her massaging me for that year a little bit jealous Let me go totally. Oh, she does not like me to go get massages anywhere else talk shit. I'm saying ha I knew it'd be horrible. Yeah, it seems like that. Yeah, and she's right I mean, it's I guess it'd be like me Coaching her and teaching her and training her and then her go hire some fucking newbie trainer That's gonna supposedly coach and help. Yeah, that would sting a little. Yeah, right if your girls hired a yeah, yeah Yeah, so I'm sure I like Steve. I'm sure it's like that So you were saying about about motivation earlier. Oh, yeah, you know And I and I try not to like I don't want to sound like I'm a hater on it But I like it. Let's get going. Yeah. Well, I just the let's start the hater train Let's go. Well, I just hate parade I just feel like so is it really motivation, right? Like so you see a lot of these people on on Instagram, especially Instagram right now Because I guess the feed so fast, right and because I follow a lot of fitness people So my feet is just flooded for these like inspirational quotes and inspirational monologues that these guys and girls do and It's just a bunch of fluff to me and it and I think that and I think a lot of people think they Really like it and are drawn to it because the the initial reaction you get because even I do too I mean nothing gets me fired up more than hearing like Ray Lewis give like a two-minute like Motivation speech like that. Yeah, it gives me goosebumps. Sometimes I would listen to some of that before I go to the gym But I feel like so many people tune into that stuff in order to give themselves motivation to do something and It's always short-lived when you when you do that, you know I'm saying of course Yeah, because it's not how can you possibly? Motivations of feeling it in like all feelings they they come and they go it literally is a spark and that's about it That's it and when you get it. Here's a here's how I like to use motivation when I feel very motivated I get in this state of of hypomania where I Consume as much information as I possibly can I produce tons of it content I come up with new ideas and it's just it's fun and it's addicting and it's exciting and I can see why people want to chase it And I've had several times in my life where I've stayed in these states for months on end And it's just you're you're you're unstoppable But but they but they come and they go like any other feeling and you have to have the other side because Well, here's a thing a feeling doesn't mean anything if there is no contrast in other words Happiness is nothing without sadness, you know light without dark like the only reason why it's called something It's because it's contrasted from something else you have to feel other ways and so sometimes you're gonna be motivated and Sometimes you're gonna be normal and sometimes you're gonna be unmotivated is the key to be to try to chase the state all The time I mean I guess you can figure out things that help get get you motivated and that's cool There's nothing wrong with that, but you're still never gonna be motivated all the time What what do you do when you're not motivated? Because the problem with trying to be motivated all the time is you only do stuff when you're very motivated And I know a lot of people like this. Oh, it's very much the on and off the wagon mentality, right? It's I have to have this Driving mechanism. I have to have this like energy that's all Narrowed into this one direction and if I don't have it, you know, then well I guess I just have to wait until I get that feeling to come back and People just it becomes this perpetual trap. It's like I get up and then I get down I get up and then I get down and there's just not consistency there Yeah, well, it's kind of like a parent who has to constantly tell his kid to do something Versus a kid creating a habit out of it, right? I feel like it's the same thing when it's like you don't want to have to Be told every time you need to go to the gym like buy and some the reason why I think I feel so passionately about this is because Many many clients that I train That didn't see the long-term results were the ones that hired me for the motivational piece Yep. Yeah, you know, I think they're the ones that you they love to get fucking yeah They want to get like three months. Yeah, they want me to yell at them. They want me to count loud They want me to push them just drain you of all of your energy and everything suck the life out of you Meanwhile and it took me years into my career before I really realized that I was not helping these people Yeah, sure I was helping them for that one hour to get through that workout But I really wasn't installing good habits and teaching them good behaviors and really getting them to understand nutrition and programming What I was doing was hyping them, you know, like let's do this. Let's work and I can do that very well I got really good at that. I could do that for a lot of people, but it doesn't it's not a long-term strategy at all I like to use those when I would manage gyms or when I would use that for specific events or for specific times Like look normally we're consistent. We work hard today is different today's the whatever It's the final day of this or it's that we're competing with now We're gonna use the motivation to push us over the edge But consistency is what wins the race consistency is what develops. It's all about good patterns good behaviors It's about finding meaning and purpose behind what you're doing. Otherwise, you're gonna be fucked You'll be in this and what really irritates me is our space in particular There's categories of charlatans that exist in the fitness and health space and one category are these people who make these posts about You know, you got to get up and make it happen Yeah, and it's all about hard to go home and don't waste your time and fucking blah blah blah, and it's like shut up, dude You're failing and I'm winning. Yeah, you have no idea which and it's not it's just not effective Well, it's just it's so generic like the advice that they're putting out there like nothing is very specific as to Like am I am I getting something out of this am I getting a real tool that I can use and apply to my life versus just Somebody sort of barking at me and getting waking me up and getting my attention I just I I get really irritated and listening to a bunch of general Statements being thrown out there that it's like yeah, no shit, right? You like no shit like like tell me something applicable Like give me give me some kind of substance and then I'll pay attention to you What do you guys say to somebody that that actually that would like disagree with this right now and be like I why I love that stuff and that when I love listening to motive motivational videos and quotes and so do I it helps me out right I do too yeah, so like what do you say to that person who Thinks that it's it is worth it. And why would you say it's not I don't think it's not worth it I think you know, I enjoy watching those things. I love reading motivational quotes I love reading stories about people who overcame Difficult odds that you tremendous things. I love all that stuff, too I think everybody does it's a it's a it's existential, right? We all enjoy that the the problem that I get is is when people are led to believe or when people just Falsely believe that that's the key. Yeah, that's where it stops. Yeah, like this is it I got to be like this all the time. Yeah, which well, I think of it like this like I mean exercise is exercise science. It's a science, right? It's math and science combined and Motivation would never get you through the most complex mathematical equation or figure out how to do something scientifically so That's you need to have this the formula right so that that to me it's like it's it would be like seeing some this complicated math problem and Doing something to pump you up to try and answer it like as that says your practice to try and learn versus like I keep Believing I can do it right right if I believe hard enough great Right if I find that it hard enough But if you're not you're not taking the actual steps to learn how to solve the problem or learn on how to create this as a Habit or behavior and so then you're just really just kind of running in and that's so that's what I feel about the motivation Is I feel that it's because we're talking about something unique like I like motivational speeches for an Athlete who's getting ready to go into battle right you're it's about you're about to walk out on the field You've practiced all week. You've put in all the X's and O's you've done all the math You've figured everything out you're about to walk on this fields You're your captain walks in and he fires you up to go into war and you go out there And you put you put everything that you've been practicing to work right? Then you have the other then you have this Motivation stuff in the fitness right now or these people are just hyping people up to get after a workout And nobody's approaching it the right way and in fact I think it promotes people to go after it the wrong way because when you get hyped like that you niche and you Naturally gravitate kill the intensity. Yeah, you know, it becomes that like you're you don't quit go after it push harder Go further which again, there's places for this right so in relationships, you know The way I use motivation now and like I'll use it with a client where I'll talk to someone I say listen like so I've been training somebody for about two months right now and You know and I've told her like she comes in and sees me one time a week That's all I can do right now, right? I don't have that a lot of time to train clients or anything But I'm helping her out and I see her once a week and I say let me be your pace car And I said so in other words You I do not want any of your workouts to be pushed beyond what I'm doing So when I do when I take you through a workout the next week until I see you That's your level of intensity and then so when she comes in for the next week and you know And not always it depends on what I got going on calorie wise what I'm teaching her But every once in a while say to her like okay today's workout I'm gonna stretch you a little bit, you know So this I'm gonna do it this way like I'm gonna push you a little bit more here volume And we're gonna cut maybe rest periods a tiny bit right here And so I'm preparing her that I'm going to stretch you just a little bit and so be right And so when it gets to that point of the workout where normally I let her stop or she wants to stop I go okay. I'm gonna push you here and like and then there's the motivation for the minute I'm gonna hyper up or come on three more or two more or whatever and that's it But it's very Methodical about how I approach it. It's not just let's get this let's get this workout You know from the beginning to the end well motivation is a feeling and it's also typically attached to a goal So like I'm really motivated to lose this 20 pounds or I'm really motivated to get stronger I'm really motivated to Perform better, but part of the problem is a it's a feeling and it can go away and be Let's say it doesn't go away, and then you hit your goal Then you tend to have to make another goal And this is where people over they burn themselves out to the point where they don't want to do that that particular thing anymore Like you can't keep getting stronger. That's impossible. You can't keep improving in your workouts. That's impossible So that when you tie motivate motivation typically is tied to overcoming or or Achieving new goals and so that becomes a big problem now on the flip side of that You know if you're working out and you're trying to be fit and healthy and your goal is to remain that way hopefully forever You can have bouts of motivation where you have different goals Like I do I do that all the time like sometimes I'll have a goal like okay I want to be able to deadlift 550 or I want to be able to do this now I get that but what keeps me going forever is I have found I have found the enjoyment in the Workout itself with no goal with no need for motivation that I have the joy the joy is in the act and When the when the act when you find joy in the act when you find joy or fulfillment in the process Then you don't need motivation because let's say I feel shitty today Let's say I'm feeling like really good. I just feel down. I don't feel good I'm still gonna go do this workout because I have found Fulfillment and joy with with that act of what I'm doing and so it's something that I'm I'm gonna do whether I feel unmotivated or You don't do it, but you're not gonna punish yourself like you're just like falling off right right You just it's part of the process the whole thing right right so, you know, it's like who's who's gonna stay consistent? Longer the person who it's normal to have off days Yeah, the person who enjoys running the person who loves running for the sake of running or the person who's running to Get faster all the time honestly The answer is quite easy right the person who likes doing it every single day is the one that's gonna do it every single day Now what do you think this is on the rise though? I feel like it's and I don't know if it's just because we're so easily connected now And so maybe that's why in my 15-plus year career I feel like it's it's more predominant now than in the space than I've ever seen it before Now do you think that's because of social media do you guys really think that like is it on the rise like this? I think this need to do people need to be motivated like this No, it feels good dude It feels good because motivation is like it's dopamine right dopamine is quite strongly associated with with motivation and it feels good It's addicting look they look at the studies that they did with Like drugs like Ritalin and Adderall right now These are drugs that will raise your dopamine levels quite a bit and they did these studies To see if do these drugs actually make people smarter because people say that they take them they get better grades They study more and they feel like it's a Intelligence enhancing substance now when they did the studies and actually tested people on their intelligence Were they improving their cognitive function? Were they thinking smarty smarter the results came back? No, they were the same the difference was when people took the drugs They just felt like they like they wanted to do what they were doing more because of that motivation chemical Popping into their mind because it feels good. So although they're doing the same thing and they report like oh, I am smarter They're not it's just they want to do they want to read now or they want to because that dopamine so it's addicting So of course, it's gonna be popular like I said, I love watching that should do It's a great feeling to hear someone talk or speak have something resonate get that feeling inside of you like Fuck yeah, let's do this. You know, do you think it's it's it's for some people and if not for other people Yeah, I definitely do I I honestly think that it's kind of like I guess politics in a way where I feel like I'm Must be interesting. I don't understand how people think or are so swayed by like somebody's Opinion, you know, like why are you so affected by that? Why don't you think for yourself? Hmm and I feel like motivation is very similar in Where they need to draw off of somebody and they need they need somebody to do something significant for them to find Significance in themselves. How about them? How about the people that actually are giving the motivation like how exhausting? Oh, yeah, how exhausting bro there I I feel like half those people are not speaking cocaine. Well, I feel Let's be honest, maybe I feel like half the time Right like it's a fair fair guess I feel like a lot of them preach what they're preaching and they're saying it to themselves really like they're on the stage being like You gotta do this. You gotta they're talking to themselves. I believe that a lot of them are talking. So I believe them I think that's why it comes out really good That's why it probably works really well because they that's all they are that they're speaking their heart But it's really back at themselves like I need to do all these things and that's what makes me say all this shit There's a whole mark. There's a big market huge. It's a huge market. It's annoying. It's so big dude No, it really annoys me like I'm not a fan at all motivational people The points the parts that annoy me the most are the ways and I don't look again if there's a market for it Whatever it's a reflection of consumers sure still annoys the shit of me that these guys We just we were just watching a guy. I'm not gonna say his name But we were just watching a guy and it's the same shit like Kimmin out of my private jet and check out my fucking cool Bugatti and I look I had hard I had nothing. It's the same story. I lost millions of dollars. Yeah I grew up in hard times my I was a single mom my mom was addicted to whatever I lost an arm or whatever It's always some crazy story and then I came back from the depths of hell and here I am today to show you and tell you it's possible for you to own a fucking jet like me and have all All these hot chicks and be super. It's the same like fucking stories. In fact, there's a formula for it Literally has happened time and time again. There's literally a formula for it I know because I actually I've been to so this is what I mean by about the formula This is what I mean by it is how how daunting or stressful or I don't even know the right word for what How I would feel as a motivational type speaker Because you you have to know right you have to know whether you're on Instagram or YouTube or you're doing talks You're big enough to be doing Ted talks and ship where you're 80% plus of the people out there You are zero you're zero impacting their lives hundred percent like did like what you say 80% of those people out there Will not follow through and execute any of the fucking bullshit that you're saying like right So it's got to be this was what bothered me as a trainer for a long time because I felt like all this Showing people stuff and pushing them and motivating them them through their workouts How deflating is it when you see them not yeah progress like I'm not really changing their life Sure, I got them in shape for the time that they hired me and paid me like that's and then that was it That's not like that's not a life-changer like that means I just I'm good at what I do like I'm good at math and science Like that's all that fucking means right like doesn't mean that I've really Motivated them or change them So I've motivated them for a short time to get them to do something but I haven't fundamentally changed their life Like I don't want someone to DM me or message me see man I listen to podcast and you got me so motivated to work out and you know I'm so I had such a great workout after now. I don't want to hear that I'd rather hear say like wow you said something and it totally just impacted my life or I had to read a fundamental way Yeah, I just had a girl with someone like one of the last quads we did I don't remember the question that she talked about it had something to do with Cardio kickboxing or teaching multiple classes and I was calling out the people that do that and you know That it's it's terrible if you're trying to build muscle I don't remember the rant that I went on but she was like, you know I was the one you called out and she thanked me and I'm like to me that's like I know that that person I hit something I hit home for that person that she was doing that was probably not helping her and I just gave her something that Hopefully will forever fundamentally change her. She'll never approach her training. I don't I don't mind motivational speakers if they're Providing real like tangible value. How do you measure that? Yeah? Well, there's there's certain ones like there's fluff And then there's yeah, there's real gyms. Yeah, like like someone leaves and like, okay Here's some things I can do to you know like an action plan my life Here's some things that I can do to change, you know, what I'm what's happening like like, you know, Jordan Peterson I enjoy quite a bit. He's not a motivational speaker, but guess what he does he ends up motivating a lot of people Some of the stuff he says different I think we get that a lot of time for people Let's say that because we're definitely not motivation speakers for sure But people are motivated to work out and exercise and be back because I think we're growth minded and we share our Process of of trying to grow and be better and therefore that then well You're all motivated by other people as well Like it's a different thing when you see somebody doing something significant where you're like, oh, wow, they're doing that That's awesome. That's impactful like like that that charges me up Well, here's a significant thing that that I heard him say that I thought was Brilliant that I've said for a long time to clients and one thing he said is look You know you improve yourself today and if you're having trouble with that It's because you're not aiming low enough and I thought about that like well That's exactly that's exactly what happens a lot of people people come to us and I've talked to clients like this I'd say the second half of my career This was what made me far more successful as a trainer than my first half of my career People would come to me with these goals Need to lose all this weight need to get healthy totally deconditioned totally unhealthy and I would say things like Okay, here's your meal plan. Here's your exercise. Here's your whatever and they'd be excited because I've given them the solution and inevitably it wouldn't work because it was too much later on what I realized was they came to me And I used to I would aim way lower. Here's what I want you to do today I want you to drink five glasses of water. Let's start with that and they look at me like well No, that's not now and then I would ask him. Well, how many glasses of water are you drinking now? And they'll say oh like one maybe a half the rest of soda and it's okay. It's an improvement You're better. So that's what we're gonna start I used to I'd asked somebody what their goal is and this would always happen, right? They'd give me a picture of someone or show me what this girl looks like. I want to look like this That's my goal. I'm big. That's not your goal I said what your goal should be before you even set a goal like that is how about just for a week like tell yourself You're gonna track your food. Yeah, like have you ever just wrote down what you ate for an entire week That's a better goal set that goal Accomplish that goal and and that's saying and then set another one that stretches that a little bit further And that's what and that's the meaning behind you're not aiming low enough Right because a lot of times people say well, I'm not gonna do that because that's not enough That's because that's stupid That's not gonna make that big of a difference aim for the stars Yeah, that's the moon land on the stars. No, it's it's literally aim low enough to where you're making a small change And then stick with that and then aim low again and make another small There's a lot of brilliance in that statement very brilliant. There is that's a gem That's and that's that's different. It took me a long time to piece that together as a trainer because you you know Your client comes in they pay for you they hire you they tell you their goal Who are who am I to say? No, that's not a good goal You know I'm saying my job is to get like you said give you the formula for that goal I have the formula for that goal problem is, you know 80-90% of them will never execute it ain't gonna work because it only works when you're highly motivated because if a client comes to me Hyper let's say they just came from a Tony Robbins seminar or someone really you know motivational and they came They're like that's it. I'm getting in shape Sal. I'm fucking pumped everything I am and I tell them drink five glasses of water a day They're like I'm going to the trainer over there That's gonna tell me all the stuff I can do because I'm fucking pumped right now at once right That's what I mean like those small changes those really small incremental changes in reality are the ones That are gonna give you last the proving grounds That's it. That's gonna give you the lifelong if you can't master that one small thing and you want to just skip ahead Well, that's this is also how you create self-motivation too because every time you accomplish one of those goals It becomes more motivating you get one win then you get two wins you get three wins next thing You know you become very confident you're confident because you're winning all the time you said goals and you're accomplishing them all day So what if they're small goals? That's it If they're improvements and you're a better version of yourself today than you were yesterday You're on the right and contrast sometimes and sometimes Sometimes all you need to do because sometimes people like well I don't know where to start like what do I do and of course from the outside I could tell you a million things you could do yeah everything from you know get your car washed Organize this your drawer or small things that are just better than you were yesterday But people sometimes self-trouble so you can reverse it and say okay I bet you can name ten things that you do right now that make your life more difficult Like there's ten things you do right now that are making it hard for you to be fit and healthy Right, so why don't you just stop doing one of them how do we figure that yeah? Just stop doing one of them take one of them off and so like okay every night before dinner I have some ice cream so I think I could just stop that you know and you just and that's it But that's not motivation. That's value. That's real value because motivation is not I guarantee you action Well back back to my math and science analogy I mean it's you're learning the formula like you're literally learning how to solve the equation versus just like throw Shit at it like let's just get after it and we'll figure it out along the way It's like yeah Let's methodically break this big equate because it's a big equation to get yourself into this like crazy shape that whatever or Whatever goal you have it's a major equation So let's break it up into smaller ones that are easier for you to understand and then we can build on that It'll compound and that's why most fitness programs that are sold or Products that are sold on the internet are these 30 day Blast your body gets you in shape quickly because what they sell you on is that motivation you go to this site There's this video. That's fucking hyping you up and you're already in the state of mind where that's it I'm gonna get in shape now. You're like oh this workout Super fucking rattle as hard as they can while they have you in that state of mind That's right 30 days. Fuck yeah I'm gonna do this work out twice a day every day or beat the crap out of myself I'm gonna do that. I'm hyper motivated they buy that meanwhile you have mine pump is like hey We have a super bundle. It's a year of exercise You're gonna probably need a year and it's gonna move you through real slowly and get you gonna learn a lot Are you challenged like Joe D does with all his programming right where he gives people fucking 500 sets of everything for a workout And he's looks super human himself and so then everybody's trying like oh man if I could just get to a point Where I could finish one of those workouts. I'm gonna look like him one day Imagine if you imagine this imagine if you needed motivation to like brush your teeth or take a shower You know many people wouldn't do it Seriously, it's just a part of their routine. It's their behavior And so really it's just making it a part of what you do learn how to enjoy it for the I used to tell clients this all the Time they would come to me and be like Sal. What's the best most effective form of cardio? I need to burn calories like which one's gonna burn the most cows Say do the one you like the most that's the best the best one Right the one that you like the most right is gonna be the most effective one because I could tell you I could Find the numbers out and be like okay the rowers gonna burn the most calories But you hate the fucking row or guess which one's gonna not work for you that one, right? So just pick the one that you enjoy the most that's it I'm still waiting to see a motivational guy. You got a rest and recover Meditate rest hard Part as you possibly can fucking pussy. Yeah, no, you know and again, it's addicting. It's fun And there's nothing wrong with it The other thing is too is that it's the feel that people get right because they feel like when they they train hard like that Like and you get this immediate feedback and that of that immediate feedback doesn't necessarily mean it's the right It's not it's not our good feedback, right? It's like just because you you can barely walk out of the gym That is not an indicator of a great workout like it is not an indicator that you're next You're necessarily doing the right things even if you're an athlete I would tell athletes when I would train them the only time you should feel like you can't move is after your Performance right like it when you're you gave everything you got when you're competing But in the gym you should leave and you should feel good. You should leave and be like wow I feel really good. My body feels calm when you're testing yourself Yeah, you save those moments from your fresh and then you're gonna test yourself But the rest of the time you're training. That's a training is a totally different thing That's a lifestyle. That's it but you know I get up every morning and then I work out and I'd say 80% of the time I'm not motivated. I don't have a goal I'm not going out there to go out to fucking go crazy because I'm just it just doesn't have it doesn't work that way 80% of time I'm going out to work out at 5 30 in the morning Because I love the process of it. I just go on. It's like this is my this is one of my favorite Do you think a part of the reason why a lot of people too are drawn to the motivation hype stuff is because they don't have the self-belief? Do you think because they they deep down they actually truly don't believe that they can do it and so the Hype and the motivation gives them that artificial feeling like they can for a minute, you know I think that and I think I think part of it is is when you perceive something as work We tend to not want to do it And that I think has happened a lot with working out like exercise I mean shit work and isn't the word working out So like if you tell like if people are like, oh, I have to go do this really hard work It tends to diminish it. There's a there's a there's a term for it Where athletes who play because they love playing Start to lose their love for what they're doing when they start to get paid to do it or when it becomes their job Yeah, all of a sudden they start to lose the the same excitement. Oh, it's very common Yeah, yeah, that's why some people there's a lot of people that are probably listening that are more fans of Plaint watching college sports than professional sports for that exact reason. Yeah, they're since there tends to be more passion In collegiate level out because they're trying to make it right because they're making it to the still somewhat pure Like the intention behind yeah a lot of the play and what you see on the field being expressed versus like somebody trying to keep their job And survive right this is why I'm actually so there's a lot of controversy right now with the NBA And what's happening with all like right now the trade deadlines are going on and all these players are Switching teams and like never we've never seen this in the NBA before like where all these players like typically like an NBA season So let's go back 15 years in the NBA During the offseason you see like maybe you know five or six moves player gets traded or free agency or whatever and Maybe out of those five or six moves one or two of them at most or like a big deal like a big player goes to another big team Or something like oh shit so-and-so is in this team now. This is crazy Where now the last couple years and definitely especially this year has been the most There's players That are all get moving all a big-time players with big names moving all over to all different teams and getting on the same team and The only way that's possible because these guys all the teams have a budget that can work with you Can't just buy any player you want doesn't work out. Yeah, you have a cap So but for the first time ever which is what I I and I'm pro all this There's a lot of people that hate on it because they're saying that these teams are stacking and it makes it shitty for the rest The NBA, but I think it's great because what you're seeing is you're actually seeing players Take less money so they can play together And I think that's a really good thing for the game is to see that because for a very long time I felt for about 10 some of them are chasing a championship Yeah, they want to win they want to win again and that that's becoming more important than an extra 10 or 15 Right right an extra 10 or 15 million dollars like that some of these guys can go out because they're superstars Go get what they call a max contract where they take like one guy like a superstar like a Durant for example, right? He could go to another team and get a max contract where they lock them up for six eight ten years And they pay him a fucking buttload of money, which what happens is what does that do doesn't allow very much money for the Rest of the team for that team to go out and get other players build a team around them Right and and then and who are we to say that's not fair because Durant That's his own life like he should be able to go get as much money as he wants But for the first time we're actually seeing players that are opting out of that then they're they're just they're not taking that so they can all Play together now that he's not going broke. He's still making really good money But that I mean that's you know It's easy for us to say because we're not making 50 million dollars or what about that? Oh, what's the big deal if you don't take 50 you take 40 But if you're somebody who's used to making you know 50 million dollars and now you gotta take 40 million dollars Well, that's 10 million dollars less that you're used to having like who are we to say that's not a big move So I think it's really cool a lot of people think that's ruining the NBA That's not true because all stats are showing the NBA as far as the Headlines and the the conversations that's happening and the people that are viewers that are watching it. It's increasing But I think it's really cool to see these guys doing it's creating more of this team atmosphere where I felt like it was a Lot of iso ball just ten years ago was about the money It's about me and that kind of killed the sport How much I could like you know sandbag my stats and all that kind of stuff so that way I get in the hall of fame because this And that so they're just shoveling the person that one guy the ball the whole time just so he could just put points Well, that's cool It shows that people are more or more interested It's about the game and winning maybe building a legacy building up people around you and and what's cool Is that like so and the Warriors is why it's so fun to talk about them right now is that they are an example of Like how incredible a team can be when like almost all the players are unselfish like that And that's what makes them really scary and dangerous is it's not just one or two guys Like making like a like a big move like that and say hey, I'll take less money It's like the whole team collectively saying like I'll take that role I'll come off the bench even though I could go start for another team and I could be the man somewhere else like I'll come off the bench because I want to play with these guys like that's fucking cool And everybody that wants to hate because you're not a warrior That doesn't get you excited all just a little bit actually no actually it's it is enthralling to hear I don't know anything about it, but it's but when you're talking about sounds good. Okay good So my motivation, but I know LeBron moved and I think la yeah He's trying to it's trying to create a legacy right? He wants to win the championship. Yeah, he has he won. Oh, yeah He's already won. Yeah, he's no no, but he's trying to he's always getting ragged on by not having as many as Jordan Right, right. So he's so maybe this is him trying to build his lock lock the legacy I mean in my opinion, it's already there for him, but you know, but it's just a it's a number Yeah, I think it would I think the way he probably feels and a lot of people feel that if if and when he probably will pass The championships that that's the last like thing that the last thing anybody can throw right because there's I mean You guys the most championship is is it Jordan? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no no no most championships total like as a player No, no Jordan really I Think chamberlain my Google that Doug Robert Ori has seven which is somebody who you would never worry. Yeah, cuz he was part of the Lakers Yeah, so he was he went from he bounced from team to team that was winning championships during that little era that he was running around So there's there's some players that have I think Bill Russell has a ton I don't know what you know what I find what I find motivating is the understanding that Regardless of how I feel whether I feel pumped hyped and motivated or I feel down tired and And in you know depressed. I'm still going to move forward. Yeah, I'm still going to Get up and I'm gonna do what I need to do. I experienced this several times in my life I experienced it shit. We started mine pump while I was going through a divorce as I was going through that divorce I had to do that. I had to get up and I had to Move forward when I was very unmotivated probably some of the most unmotivated times of my life and I think that might be more of a key than seeking out motivation Oh hundred percent, you know, oh hundred percent. I think that's it. Well again That's like I'm gonna move no matter what well because you create self-belief That's why I say motivation is bullshit self-belief is everything. That's it And I think you being down not wanting to work out under that getting there accomplishing that working through that You know, that's what gives you that self-belief. I can do this Even when I don't feel good even when I'm down even when the odds are against me I still I don't need anybody else to tell me to pick your ass up right drag your ass over there and just Go and if you can do it when you feel like that then of course you're gonna do it when you feel motivated That's the easy part. Well, you know, so check this out. We have free guides I believe there's 12 of them some of them teach you how to train particular body parts Others teach you how to do high-intensity interval training properly. 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