 it is amazing who you run into in some of the strangest of places now i told you all you all know about my my tour my federal rehab tour my tour throughout some of the fine penal institutions that are ran by this great country the united states of america well while i was there as a matter of fact when i go to one of the roughest spots if not the roughest spots that being bowman i began trying to learn the languages i remember as a as an associate pastor my my my senior pastor would say you need to learn the language you go to seminary all these different things and i'm gonna put it all that for what i don't need to do all that stuff i can just simply just read the bible and i'm good yes but if you want to be able to because the whole point of reading it is to understand it as you see the mantras it's coming on is to love it to learn it and to live it and so you want to also learn it and the way you live it obviously you walk but also you want to convey it you don't get this information just hold on to it so you also want to convey the information and one of the better ways to do it is by learning the language now let me say it at the beginning at the outset this is not me saying you have to learn the languages in order to know the bible i am not saying that i say it a thousand times and people don't always get that i'm saying you do not have to know Hebrew or Greek or even Aramaic to know the bible but and as you'll hear him say it's like learning it's like seeing in black and white versus 3d or hd of course it wasn't 3d at the time that we were saying this stuff but but hd things like that so what i want to do is like i got a little error message for some reason but what i want to do is uh share with you this interview that we had uh his name is brian j right i want to call him chaplain because that's what he was uh he is a pastor at north point church is i'm sorry the point church in the jackson the jackson campus of the point church in Pensacola where i first met him again was that was at bowmont i was starting to read Hebrew and i had a kind of a it was a cheap little book but then he also started to read a little bit of the greek i said i'll put the greek to the side because i found this other greek book it was really really difficult well he comes to bowmont and the reason why he's there is because he wants to become a pastor eventually but he decided to kind of uh do it by first getting some experience pastoring or chapling is that the word to be a chaplain over inmates some of the hardest people to deal with and so and i think i think he did an effective job because there this is what he said no matter where we were and bowmont has uh the usp which is the high the medium which is also the low i'm sorry the low as well as the camp and so what he would say to us is if you need me to come over and to wherever he was to come over and just share some some some nuggets some trinkets some greek trinkets i will and from day one that's kind of how he's been that being the case grace and peace i like that cam so that being the case uh immediately he became my favorite chaplain immediately and after a while i just kind of wonder where he was and i happened to see that he was now you know pastor actually he was in texas for a while brian right is also and you'll see me put these up as well his name is brian j right doctor brian j right as a matter of fact uh he's written some books he's authored some books uh you see some of these books on uh on your screen jonah's journey and mike he got some some children's books which i think you if you've got some children that are interested in getting a good handle on some of the books go after them go get them uh the rhythm of christian life this communal reading in the life life in times of jesus that is a good book as well but this this book on the end revisiting the corruption of the greek new testament it's a weird word i mean it's a weird weirdly worded book really if you think about it because huh revisiting the corruption of the greek new testament what corruption of the greek new testament well it doesn't it's not it almost sounds like he's tearing apart the bible he's not as a matter of fact he is contributing in the book with uh the author who is daniel wallace who all you all know who i think the world of in terms of his of his greek acumen as a matter of fact the world thinks the world of him as well so those are some books we'll talk about them again as well later on but i want to go ahead and and immediately get into our interview this guys i think you're going to get there listen when i say there are some good nuggets in here especially for you men towards the end you men and there's a passage that we all read but it's specifically for men but you don't see that it's specifically for men and so we'll cover this i want you all to if you got to get your notes out i guess you don't get your notes out this is this is youtube you can always rewind it but get your notes out pay attention i think you all you guys are going to get something good out of this and also let me just give you a little bit of forewarning that uh his mic levels are a little bit different than mine it's not too bad since he is doing the majority of the speaking which is okay so just want to alert you to that ahead of time so anyway let's go ahead and jump into this this conversation so wherever you want to go whatever you want to whatever you want to touch on i just want the people to find that there is some benefit in knowing the greek as well as hebrew but that's for somebody else we'll do greek now absolutely absolutely and i do know that you know hebrew because you gave me you gave us a sheet of paper that went over matter of fact that went over that matter of fact there it is it's right here you gave this paper i keep a lot of stuff that i had from prison like my coffee cup yeah my old prison coffee cup and then okay okay gave us this look at that wow you still have that that's awesome you gave us this and so i said this is gonna make sense one day when that's exactly right you you build on what you know and it all makes sense you know in weeks to come so yeah so um so yeah i'll just start off and give you a little bit background so the first time i was introduced to greek was back in 2003 literally 20 years ago um by a gentleman in my church i was going through a discipleship training program under the pastor there and somebody pulled me aside and started introducing me to greek um and so that was my first intro into it before i even started seminary and i got just kind of the bug for learning more greek and so languages became what i went to seminary to study which was new testament greek and so while i was going through seminary in that program i got under a professor that founded an institution called the center for the study of new testament manuscripts so in 2006 was my first overseas expedition photographing ancient manuscripts so i've not just read the greek or learned it from a book and from a grammar but i've actually been able to examine legit ancient manuscripts from all over the world and so part of that organization so i finished my seminary degree in 2010 um and got my thm in new testament from dallas theological seminary with my focus and what i wrote my thesis on was on textual criticism which was that contribution in that book revisiting the corruption in the new testament so that was my first again a contribution to the field and from there a few years later in 2013 i went on to do my phd studies at a school over in australia called ridley college and so i stayed in the field of new testament but i kind of take took a step back instead of looking at the text you know you know this close looking at manuscripts and looking at the greek that i just took a step back and wanted to look at ancient literary cultures who was reading what and where in the first century so what were the greek or roman's reading what were the jews reading what were the christians now this new you know group reading so i literally was looking at what was going on in the first century uh with literary cultures so that's kind of my background as far as like how entrenched i've been in the culture of first century greek but also with the new testament specifically in koine greek um now i told you one thing i do want to share before we jump into some of the the passages because i know i again that's where i want to spend most of our time is just in the text and let's look at some of these passages but i really do feel led as a pastor to share again some cautions when somebody's learning languages or pursuing greek pursuing hebrew um and that is at least three things one is always be aware of the sins associated with knowledge right so paul says knowledge puffs up yeah and you know i've heard when i was in seminary a lot of people say oh i heard when you learn greek it ruins a lot of sermons well yeah if your heart's not right and so in one sense there's also ways in which this should help you grow spiritually keeping you humble keeping you prayerful that you want god to still reveal his word to you the second thing is and i remember a greek professor telling me one time greek should be like your underwear it's always on but not everyone needs to see it and so because it informs my studies my sermons my teaching doesn't mean that i'm doing it in order to boast i'm doing it in order to show everybody you know it's almost like uh you know paul would often say i'm not coming with coming at you with all this you know uh grandiose knowledge i'm just here to share god's word with you and then the third thing is don't mistake knowing the languages for now i can hit all the home runs because it's not that greek or hebrew hands everything on a silver platter you still have to do your homework now it will get you deeper and it's going to really get you to to surface some things um and it'll keep you out of the gutters and limit your options but again it doesn't mean knowing this now is the trump card to everything if that makes sense so with that being said uh let's jump in i want to show you some examples that i really would say should excite somebody to learn the greek it kind of takes it from what i'd say from black and white to hd tv it really gives extra clarity it really in a sense almost in some places gives you a 3d and so you just don't need the glasses i'm laughing i'm laughing because you literally said that the first day that i met you i'm telling you and it's still true today and so i from time to time uh they'll tell you i i have literally said listen if i hear something good i'm gonna borrow it and make it my own there you go that's right that's right well let me do something real quick i i messed up on this one right here i need to pull you a little further one okay okay okay cool all right let's we can go okay all right so when i'm teaching a greek class and i initially sit with the students i say how many times if you open up your bible and maybe you are listening to a sermon or you're in a bible study and someone's translation is different than yours and you kind of get frustrated because often the person teaching will say well i kind of think this translation has it right because it kind of agrees with what they're saying or teaching or their theology versus do they really know what the greek says or how do they wrestle with those issues and so let me give you a few so pull up matthew 613 and again we're not going to be able to cover all the background of these verses but i just want to highlight just a few examples of how greek impacts different areas of your walk and as you as a christian so very familiar lord's prayer right doesn't get any more known or common than this well if you pull different translations some of them as the one you have pulled up uh-oh wait a second i did something dumb okay hold on one second i got you for someone to have you muted on this one okay i'm sorry okay i actually wonder is there a way you can pull up like if i were to show a couple different like two different translations just to show the difference okay perfect sure can which one which translations you want so you can leave that one up i'm assuming that's the kjv or the esv that's the in a nasb nasb okay perfect and then maybe pull up the niv just as a different as another one um or the new king james or where is the i know it's okay there's new king james and i'll pull up you also you said also niv oh no those two are fine i'm just going to show the difference of okay so and if yeah so if you see the difference lead us not into temptation but delivers from is it evil like just in general or is it from the evil one so even the lord's prayer so greek can affect your prayer life and this is just one example and so it's very clear in greek what it is it's not speaking about evil in general uh cori if you go back to your days of circular circling articles do you see an article there before evil there it is you do listen as we talked about articles are never meaningless so it's actually saying it's a specific type actually not just a specific type it's the evil one himself and so most of your translations will say most of your more recent translations will put the evil one because that's what the greek is reflecting but not all of them have picked up on that nuance because sometimes and again some people are like wait a second you're pointing out things how did this committee over this bible translation didn't get it right sometimes you're on autopilot right we've memorized the lord's prayer or we've we've we've looked at a certain passage so many times and you can be on autopilot even as a trend in a translate as a translation committee because this isn't a hotly debated verse this isn't something everybody's up in arms about and so that's one explanation there's many others but just even that should excite somebody to huh that's a new that am i saying the lord's prayer on delivers from the evil one let me show you another funny one go to go to matthew 26 27 26 and i should say another funny one but let me show you a funny one is what i meant to say go to matthew 26 27 pull up for me the kjv which i think you already have up well i have a new k king jay version but here it is right here is the kjv okay yeah give me the king james and give me the let's say the esv and the esv okay yeah the english standard version by the way which where's esv which which do you use a cordons or lagas i actually use the cordons okay it just it got to the point i just i already dumped too much money into there to make the switch but lagos is great and they're you know it's they're both great programs i i you i try to use them both um but i just use i use lagos when i am um i kind of like some of things they have to offer more than the um than the yeah then the cordons but according to me they have a larger suite there's no doubt i mean a cordons is more of a specialized tool almost more of just for languages than anything else and cordons is or a lagos is just so much more broad and so there's no doubt so if you'll see just just take again communion and so the king james says drink ye all of it do you see that the esv says drink of it all of you well in one sense i say it's kind of a funny case so so which is it is it boy you better make sure you drink all of it or is it you better make sure all of you are drinking it so again i'm showing just a few uh easy ones a few ones that are just showing the differences these aren't hotly debated but i just want to show you that for it to read the way the king james has it it would actually have to be in the accusative case but it's not and so what is the correct translation it's drink of it all of you the emphasis is about all of you as believers are drinking this all of them there are drinking it not make sure you don't leave any at the bottom of the cup okay do you see the difference so i've never even i've never even focused on that before yeah so again i'm just doing a few just kind of funny ones but so i i saw when you first pulled up the text you already had john one one we can go there okay you know how many times do we have that that knock on the door and there's a group that wants to talk to you about john one one and so the jehovah's witnesses and so oftentimes they'll show you their new world translation so you won't be able to pull up a a bible that has it translated the way they have it translated but it doesn't mean there's not a translation out there that doesn't so the new world translation that they came up with has john one one translated and the word was a god and so what they do is they point to will look it does not have an article and so if you see hang on let me pull up because again i'm my memories tough times seniors i'm gonna pull it up on mine okay now you're you're good so and the word was and they have uh in at the uh and the word was you see how it says kai teos ain't hot lagas so you have teos without an article and so they argue will look it's the word was a god because it doesn't have an art it doesn't have a definite article so that's that's their main argument but again that's just a misunderstanding of greek that's why there's no english translation apart from theirs that has anything but god with an english a capital g and so it's again you have to dig deeper and get into the greek in articles and when even if it doesn't have the article doesn't mean it's not definite but there's also a category called qualitative there's a qualitative aspect that the word has all the qualities of god and so it's actually perfect theology but sometimes in english it doesn't translate over perfectly to the way we think it should be translated um because greek does not have indefinite articles and so that's that's where they try to go in that argument so anyways can greek affect your apologetics it can if you don't it this would be a case where you know enough greek to be dangerous you ever made somebody like that again you learn some paradigms you learn some vocabulary but you don't really know grammar you don't really know linguistics you don't really know how it all fits together and how the dots connect so that that's a real important one that's that's a key passage that is brought up for that um i'll share a couple more and then i and then i want to uh dovetail from this onto something else is go to aphesians one four and and i often say where's the love in this verse because that's really what you're trying to figure out the function of the last two words in greek the words in love this prepositional phrase can modify three different parts of a very long complex sentence and so there really are a number of options you have of where it should be so this is back where hey we want to stay humble because uh it can be three different places so if you look at the let's say the new living translation new living translation uh okay let me take this off and put it in i know i got it here somewhere oh you know what i just figured out how to do this there it is so they they connect they link it with the verb choose and so if you'll see that they link the words in love with the word the verb choose mm-hmm at the beginning okay if you go to keep that one up go to the niv niv yeah the niv doesn't even have it in verse four it attaches it to the beginning of the participle in verse five then they do that also in the nasp as well yeah you'll yep i believe so i mean if it's up there and you see it then yeah well i know um yep well you know what not take it back i take it back no no no well yeah they do it after the end of verse four but then there's a period but just before five so okay so they leave it in four so you know it's in four but it's it's the beginning of the sentence that goes on into five well the the niv i don't believe even does that they just begin it in verse five so there's a word okay i got it you see it mm-hmm so then if you go to the new king james they link it to the immediately preceding verse so again i'm just giving an example of as you're learning here's this long complex greek sentence not everything is crystal clear this these words can go in different places which is why you see differences in translations so we have to unpack it we got to look at things lexically grammatically linguistically and we're trying to say what's the best sense that we can make of what the context is what's the author's pointing at and so that's an example of again where's the love in the verse because it can be in different it can be in different places so let me show you one one last one and then uh go to titus 213 because this one's going to talk about the deity of christ and this one's a very so are you gonna are you going to uh traverse through the uh this grandville sharp uh we don't have to go see i i probably won't bore everybody about all the different things of the grandville sharp rule but i just want to highlight again we're exciting people on why should i learn greek why do i want to know grammar well i want you to see some of the powerful things you can see in the text if you know greek and grammar so for example pull up the king james version of this verse okay or or the sv they actually both have it that way and any other verse any other version you want because those are the only two that do it esv and the king james version no no no one of those and any other any other translation okay okay um meaning meaning those are the only two that have it the same way okay that's what you're saying no that's not up is there that needs to be a way for me to organize these because i have them all over the place where is my nasb i'm look i keep oh there it is okay sorry about that now you're good all right so first look at where's the kjb so it says our great god and savior jesus christ oh the way they haven't i'm sorry i put the na uh the oh yes you know that's fine that's fine it's there it's the way it's yeah okay so so highlight that part of our great god and savior jesus christ so the way that's worded there is there's two the two persons of the trinity god the father god the son right god and savior jesus christ but if you look over at the other translation can you ask our great god and savior comma meaning and then it's in opposition yes who is christ jesus or jesus christ so are we talking about one person that is both god and savior or are we talking about two persons god the father and god the son well again if you don't know greek or you're just you're just at the whim of whatever english translation you have but the greek because of the granville sharp rule will help you determine actually it's it's proclaiming jesus as both god and savior so here's a verse in your bible that jesus is called god theos so again it can affect your orthodoxy so i just wanted to give some whether it's your prayer life your apologetics your your orthodoxy greek matters in your understanding of as we're unpacking these different verses now here's where i usually go from here because i think at this point people get it okay yeah different translations different bibles greek helps me to know when there's a difference in translation but here's where i want to go and i don't see a lot of people going here what happens when every single english translation is exactly the same can greek help you and let me show you yes this this is going to get to that hd tv that i was that i've often been uh saying go to john this is one of my favorites go to john this is going to be the woman at the well john four sixteen and seventeen and again every single translation has it exactly the same so there's no difference so you say well can the greek help me when i'm going through a text and every single english translation is exactly the same so just have the greek and what any any english translation you want because they're all the same there is no difference between these two verses okay you ready because i'm going to show you in greek where it's different but in english it's the same so jesus said to her go call your husband and come here okay verse seventeen okay this is the one we want to focus on so maybe just highlight or increase the font just just a touch more okay then the woman answered i have no husband jesus said to her you are right saying and here's the quote i have no husband so that's what i want to focus on she says i have no husband he says rightly you have said i have no husband so you see in english i have no husband i have no husband same order same words he's just quoting her but do you notice something in the greek yes it goes from uk echo andra to andra uk echo now that would be bad english if jesus said you correctly you have said husband no have that's awkward english but actually do you know what the greek is telling you jesus just did yeah husband you don't have at home i mean you're living with somebody but he's not your husband jesus front loads that in order to emphasize a point now that'll preach you can't see that in any english translation but you can see it in the greek so there's some hd tv for you right so if i'm preaching this text jesus is making a very valid pointer because he says husband you don't have at home for what you've had five husband and the one you now have is not your husband you see that yep but you can't so again wait a second there's no difference in any english translation how can greek help me to know something that jesus is emphasizing jesus is saying something and like i said that that's pretty powerful in in preaching that text let me show you let me show you another one um let's go to roman's here's a loaded one roman's 922 here's one where almost all of your english translations say the same thing but you're almost always going to have pastors qualify it and kind of give you their theology and how they understand it which at the end of the day they they've got to do but so pull up roman's 922 you got it up okay so these vessels it says prepared for destruction or destined for destruction so all of them say that prepared for destruction prepared for destruction fitted for destruction fitted for destruction that's what all the english translations but you're also often going to have a pastor that's going to come along and he's going to say well man that's kind of harsh so it's in the middle voice so hey they've prepared themselves for destruction so you're often going to hear that they're going to explain to the audience hey in the greek this is in the middle voice of course if you know greek you can't say that it's actually the same form it's either middle or passive it's the same form the word doesn't tell you it's in the middle so if you know if you remember you're learning your paradigms the form is the same in the middle and passive so it's an interpretive call you can't say it's in the middle it's actually the form is the same it's in the middle or passive it's an interpretive call so you knowing greek at least a caution flag goes up you're like hmm he can't just say it's middle voice because it's middle or passive it's an interpretive call so he's going to have to go a little further he's going to have to tell me why does he interpret it as a middle and not a passive so he's got to give more information he's got to tell me how he's exegeted this passage you can't just say in greek it's in the middle voice because the form is the same it's an interpretive call and actually again the better you know the language the less likely it's middle lexically grammatically syntactically so for that to be a direct middle is near impossible so for for the benefit of the people who are listening who have no idea what what's the difference between the middle and passive oh yeah yes no that's a great thank you for that so if something is in the passive voice it's something that's been done to you so i was baptized but a middle is when the person is both receiving the action and doing the action so for example when pilot washed his hands he's both doing the action and receiving the action so those are those are two examples so it's an interpretive call have they been prepared for destruction or have they prepared themselves for destruction and so i would argue lexically contextually syntactically and everything else what Paul is saying here is they have been prepared for destruction so it gets into theology they didn't prepare themselves and it's almost why every english translation has it has it worded this way but i'm just telling you how sometimes people will preach it and they'll say things like same thing with first we don't have to turn there but first Corinthians 13 has another powerful one tongues ceasing what you're gonna often hear from pastors is that want to give you a cessationist view well they're gonna tell you you don't have to go there we have we have to because they're going they are going to ask what about the what do you now they're going to ask wait a minute he touched on it today here's all to say today is if somebody comes along and tells you it's in the middle voice that at some point they will cease upon themselves you can't that's invalid argument you can't prove from this verse by saying it's in the middle that tongues have just ceased on their own so the grammar the greek doesn't get you there so that's what i'm saying so first we're just talking about greek today the greek doesn't hit that homerun for you okay that makes sense and so now because there are times where i i may just kind of have a knee jerk response and so i okay i gotta check myself i gotta i gotta so again i gotta read slower it doesn't mean you don't get there but what i'm saying is the greek doesn't hand it to you on a silver platter and say oh it's the middle voice so therefore the tongues have ceased yeah because it's a middle passive you have to make an interpretive call now again that might be your interpretation and that might be it but the greek doesn't answer it for you okay the greek doesn't tell you tongues see tongues have ceased now it doesn't mean one way or the other the greek doesn't tell you here okay because it's in the middle voice let me give you another one so go to first john and i love doing this one especially with students go to first john four eight to well known verse god is love while you're pulling it up i'll just prepare people god is love now in english every single every translation says god is love so there's not one translation that has anything else but you know somebody could come along and say wait a second if a equals b god is love then it's a convertible proposition b equals a so love is god so now you have pantheism or maybe or at least panentheism right god is love love is god but if you know greek it cannot be translated that way you cannot translate this love is god in part because there's a pecking order to how you translate when you have two nominatives you have agape and you have theos but you have the article with theos and that's that that and and you have theos as a as personal so what takes the what takes order is it has to be god is love it's the only way you can translate that in the greek now in english yep at english somebody could make that argument but in greek you can't does that make sense that makes perfect so so if i'm in and again i'm talking to somebody and somebody wants to come along i remember sitting in a bible exposition class one time and somebody asked the professor and again i won't give his name but he's a professor dallas and somebody asked that very question in the class of well what if somebody came along and says well love is god and he's like well and he starts turning elsewhere which is fine it's a good bible study method you turn elsewhere to let me show you why we shouldn't believe it that way and here's our theology let's turn to this first this first and the guy next to me i hadn't been far enough along in greek he looks over and he goes you can't translate it that way in the greek so like this is an example that greek solves it but again we could go elsewhere to show yes love is not god and we're not we don't believe in pantheism or panentheism but we don't have to go anywhere else it's crystal clear in the greek yeah you see so same thing since we're already there go over to verse 18 there's one more in first john i want to show you verse 18 okay yeah and then i want to say a word about word studies and i know we're we're kind of getting short on time but let me show you this one in verse 18 you there yep so in all english translations because again it's good english it says go ahead and uh first john for 18 there is no fear in love but perfect love casts out fear well here's the here's the thing a lot of people think again love casts out fear or there is no fear in love but it's not just any kind of love it's not just any kind of fear but a certain kind of love and a certain kind of fear so once again getting back to your circle in the the articles the way it literally should translate is there is no the fear there is no the love because perfect the love casts out the fear now that's awkward nobody would want to read it that way that would be bad english but here's why it's important it's not just any old type of fear in general like just being afraid of things it's actually a specific kind of fear what kind of fear in context judgment eternal judgment so what type of love the sacrificial love of christ so the love of christ casts out the fear of damnation that's what it's talking about it's not just hey any old love may my grandmother loves me so i shouldn't have any fear right that's not what it's saying it's not any old love casts out any old fear it's a particular type of love cast out a particular type of fear that there is no fear so again another example of as you as you get to go and learn the greek you're like man he's saying something real specific here same thing and we don't have to turn there when it talks about hagar and rebecca and it's talking about the slave and the free no a specific type of slave a specific type of free he's talking about the old the gen the uh the account in genesis so he's speaking about a specific type so there's so many times where again and that's it's not just all about the articles but they're just so significant in so many ways yeah as a matter of fact i watched something the other day it it just happened to come on youtube and uh the greek speak the greek professor was saying the articles matter the articles matter so yeah so yeah they really do they really do well let me say just a brief word on word studies because one of the other things almost an entry level you're just getting into greek maybe you've learned the alphabet you can start recognizing some of the words and you're like i want to start doing word studies i mean that's a great part of your devotional great part of a bible study that you're doing and so many fallacies and errors occur because a word has a field of meaning not rather than a point of meaning oftentimes and so it's called a semantic range so let me give you one quick example in history so take the word catholic some of your audience might know the apostles creed and sometimes they'll say oh it says i believe in the catholic church well no i don't i don't believe in the catholic church right and so what catholic meant during that time period was universal so it's talking about the universal church versus a local church it's not talking about Corinth it's not talking about Ephesus it's talking about we believe in the universal church but then later on what what arose heretics so now when you use the word catholic in history let's say up to the late second century it was i am catholic versus heretical so if i said i'm belong to the catholic church it means i belong to the orth the the orthodox church not the heretical church but after the second century up till 1054 thereabouts and again given i'm giving dates because that was the east west split but what catholic meant was western versus eastern then you look at the word catholic after the Protestant Reformation it means roman catholic not Protestant so you see over just a couple thousand years how one word can evolve and change in meaning well when you look at words in the new testament they also have a range of meaning so the word you can't just say i see the word love in my bible there's multiple words of love in greek so without greek it's you know even taking a word like flesh the word sarx can have like nine different ways you can translate it in the new testament it depends on context so let me give you a couple examples let's even look at one of them if not the most known verse in your bible john 316 so go to john 316 for god so love the world i like the word so okay and it'll connect you to a word in the greek the word so like some people think man this is how much god loved me like he so loved me and he really loved me well actually what if it is saying for god in this way love the world that he gave his only begotten son if you i don't know if your software program does this if you double click on that word and you do a word study the actual word within b dag and the other sources is in this way or to this degree in this manner thus so even in such a well-known verse john 316 for this is how god loved the world he gave his only begotten son it's not talking about to the extent he so loves me it's talking about this is the way in which he demonstrated he showed in this manner he did it do you see that that that nuance and you even see some translation actually it's funny the new living has it that way the new the net has it that way and so several translations have it the way i'm telling you but when you get into word studies or take a word like in romans one one so when paul talks about i am a here go ahead and pull it up just i don't want to get ahead of the readers being able to see it or the listeners being able to see it says paul is servant of christ jesus now almost all modern translations go with a servant or even yours right there says a bond servant and sometimes you'll hear a preacher say a bond servant just like you know the rachel and leah episode that you know jacob had to go in and be a bond servant he was willingly going into service for seven years and that's what paul's doing here the problem is doulas doesn't mean that and never means that it's slave and so what does that mean in the first century what does that mean for us as believers what did that mean for paul you need to unpack but it doesn't mean a bond servant it means slave actually there's an entire book written on it it's called slave of christ uh let's see if i can do it and so here's an example of a metaphor that has been translated in modern translations and i'll read you his his final uh where he lands because again he did a good job on doing a study of it how are we to account for our reluctance to translate doulas by slave there are three reasons for the hesitation first the history of modern slavery in the west is a patent embarrassment to most people it's a painful historical memory to those who would suggest that we should try to consign it to oblivion the very concept of slavery second the task of a translator to avoid whenever possible creating wrong impressions to obviate misunderstandings if doulas is rendered slave there is an ever present danger that readers will project their first hand or second hand knowledge of modern slavery back into the first century when slavery had a considerably different uh complexion thirdly there are certain linguistic facts that particularly explain the preference for servant over slave and then he goes on to list them all at the end of the day his final thing is it is wrong to translate doulas as servant because you're obscuring its very precise meaning which has which is significant in the language of the first century so we're missing out on nuances of what paul means by it what we mean by what christ meant by it and what how we should understand it in the bible not today we kind of anachronistically project what we've experienced or seen back onto the text and we shouldn't do that does that make sense so word studies i'll give you one other one this is for your uh your male listeners out there go to the first testimony is four four okay perhaps i shouldn't with this one but we're going to go there do you see how any different translations what does yours say uh this the nasb that each of you know how to possess his own vessel okay now let me ask you something when you look at that now the one i'm looking at esv says control his own body yours has vessel other translations um you know have some even have wife so body wife vessel well when you do a word study here that word right here specifically and again not to be crude is penis so if you pull up b-dag which is the greek is the greek lexicon of the old of the new testament okay greek and aramaic lexicon or i'm sorry not greek and aramaic that's the hebron aramaic the greek lexicon you'll see down if you see have you do you have b-dag on there yeah okay pull that up go down to this very verse oops to uh let's see we are in first this one's four yep four four right down and keep going vessel jar a little bit further and it's about to come up a little bit right there it is there it is what are the words you see there also probable uh is penis yeah so now here's why i bring that up and i'm not trying to be crude or funny or anything else but to properly understand this verse in context he starts off the chapter saying finally then brothers so here's an example where you can't say brothers and sisters so go to verse one of this of this in first that's only four verse one finally then brothers out of foy we ask and urge you in the Lord Jesus that you receive from us that you walk and please God and then he's going to give some instructions what is what does verse three say that you obtain from sexual immorality that each of you know how to control his own penis in holiness and honor not in a passion of lust like the Gentiles who don't know God do you see that yeah so it's not just now now again you have english translations what are they gonna do whoa whoa whoa let's put body there let's put vessel there keep it g there's even a translation that puts wife there but here but here's another conversation do you know you you've may have heard al del foi well that can mean brothers and sisters it can't right here you see so it's it helps you one what's the app what's paul really saying that that's a charge to men yeah and he's specifically in context so whether you do your word study let me let me give you one more i gotta give you one more all right let me give you one more you got a second yeah i got a second this one is one of the favorite passages for youth speakers so they're gonna bring up first Corinthian seven one and can you can you pull up maybe pull up three different translations for me pull up the niv and i v the rsv rsv and the cev rsv if you got it i know i've got the rsv and what was the other one cev cev okay yeah if you do i've got it on here i just okay i don't know why they said maybe they do i just haven't put them put them all in one spot okay i mean if not no worries but um let me see if there's you said the you said the rsv um rsv yeah i just wanted to show you i mean so here's a passage that you often hear at you know youth rallies and you know everything else because he's gonna they want to talk about you know something about hey y'all y'all need to be pure in in every respect what you do so i'm not obviously i'm not disagreeing with that but what do you do with this verse how do you translate it i don't so for example is it i've got the nrsv but i'm not you don't have the rsv and i thought how do i not have this i yeah i don't have it it's it's not a huge uh go ahead and pull up the kjv kjv yeah so that gives us three and that's fine i mean i was just going to try to highlight how radically different these three are okay i want you to look at the right there it says it's not good for a man to and then this is the word i want you to to tone in on the niv says it is not good for a man to have sexual relations with a woman okay not have sexual relations then you look at the rsv it's not good for a man to touch a woman so well wait a second am i not allowed to touch one or have sex with one which one is it well then you go to the cev or uh there's a few others i'm trying to see if there's another translation it says it's not good for a man uh let me actually i'll pull up the csv because i've got it uh in on i'm on bible hub dot uh it is uh it'll say it is best for people not to marry so which is it should you not touch a woman not have sex with a woman or not get married do you see how big of a difference those three are makes a huge difference so again don't have sex don't touch or don't get married well which one is it do you think it's worth doing a little word study right there yeah so i'm just trying to emphasize why do we learn greek why we want to get into this why you know and then you get into the whole um word for word translations and some of the myths that go behind that so again there's much more to this conversation but again i just kind of wanted to in a sense fire people up on wow there's a lot to be done getting into the greek with the articles with the with the is it accusative is it you know all the different types of uh areas in greek but uh hopefully that gives people enough excitement to say whoa there's a lot more here than i ever thought uh in in in the greek so yeah quick question i asked you um yeah i mean take one of the passages and i every greek text that i've seen and then i've seen uh uh daniel wallace go more in depth in his in his book is there a way to get around first uh john 10 28 to show that you could lose your salvation is it is there a way for um i haven't seen anyone come up with an explanation to say that this um the emphatic negation there's a way around it head so when you said john 10 21 10 28 oh okay i'm sorry i was just going to pull it up so i can be looking at the same thing so i give them internal life and they will never perish and know so oh so yeah the strongest way to negate something in greek is a double negative so when you see a double it's the most emphatic so ume so that's why you see a never sometimes you'll see an exclamation point so when you see ume it's like a no not ever it's a never so i don't know if i'm understanding your question is it if there's a double negative is it that emphatic yes it is no what what i'm saying is i've heard people say that no that's not quite what it what it means and said well give me an understanding because what seems what what is negative is the possibility of perishing uh it's in this objective so there's no possibility of it so well it you're applying it incorrectly is there a possibility for someone who would disagree and would understand greek to figure out a way to say that this does not apply so the greek is clear that it is the strongest way you can negate this mm-hmm so to say can anyone come across come along and say something else of course they can't but does the greek help them no is there something that you can get around a double negative so there's even a dissertation either a thesis or dissertation written that i read uh because i i um wrote an article on negate on a specific type of construction in the greek and negating something so i had a research how does it how did greek negate things there's really no more emphatic way than a double negative so you'd have to have some other strong types of arguments from context or uh the grammar or syntax to try to make any other case other than what it clearly says is they will know not ever perish they will never perish so again the assumption is who he gives eternal life to will never perish that that is a take that to the bank yeah if they have if they have eternal life so then the question is do they really have eternal life but if somebody really has eternal life that will never be taken away okay okay i best best what you just said is what i've been saying um yeah well surely the guy there's some way somewhere some sort of okay well i haven't seen i haven't heard it it wouldn't be here and so and again are there passages i mean there's passages that people debate over can you lose your salvation a heapers tan and some other passages but um but again this the greek doesn't doesn't help you at all there if you're trying to argue that no you can probably lose your salvation here not right here yeah yeah yeah okay well listen this was this was wonderful this is fun i'm pretty sure everyone else gets some gets something out of it as well so well i hope so and and and again i'm encouraged by brother i appreciate you're just digging into the scriptures and you you get into no greek and so again here we are gosh 10 plus years later and man i'd love to know 11 years later getting after it yeah so man uh praise god for that so uh anyway so yeah love to be on anytime it'd be fun to just chat or go over some other stuff but i think that was a good little primer just to get people's hey there's some issues out there and uh even if it's not a difference of translation even when all translations agree there's still a reason to learn greek well well can i one one plug and it's not for anything of mine if i were to say there's one book for somebody that might say i'm ready to tackle greek and i want to learn there's one book that i would highly highly highly recommend to have on yourself as a reference beyond a learning greek book and that is exegetical fallacies this is going to keep you out of the gutters more often than not this is going to help you know what you can and can't do with the language and so i really do think this is worth its weight in gold and so i i would i would certainly buy this read it every couple years just to remind yourself oh yeah i can't do that with the language or oh yeah when i hear this that helps me know it's it's a very helpful resource for somebody to have that's that's okay i don't want to be that guy that learns enough greek to be dangerous it's going to help you stay out of the gutters